Yes , he was literally waiting for it so he could put on a little show and jump over it like a Ding Dong. He has LOTS of time to just back the hell up and out of the way , totally stupid , just my opinion, call me what ya will.
@@InventSlaminatehe was 100% paying attention, he just wanted to be all cute and think it would go under his leg, hence him literally watching it the entire time it came at him as well as stepping into its path and then lifting his leg, not at all prepared for when the disc is like "hey idiot, I'm a disc rolling on bumpy ground, I'm unpredictable"
@jomezpro I understand that for “next day coverage” you can’t have a permanent professional studio but the background noises are distracting. How many subscribers for a mobile studio bus!?!? The silverware is killing us!
What is even the rule in that case? Guy wasnt really in a hurry to go out of the way did he? What if Im a spectator at one of these events and I dont like Gannon Buhr and get an opportunity to stop his disc in such a scenario and succesfully do so? Things like these need ruling quickly for integrity of competition.
@@ballzz2thewallI guess it's fair game when it's OB but you'd definitely get kicked out. I kinda wonder what would happen if you did this while it's IN bounds though
If you can re-throw because of intentional interference on a drive, he should have been able to re-throw on 16. Although the spotter didn't intentionally try to stop it, he very much intentionally remained on line with the disc and very intentionally positioned himself on the inside of the curl so it would sweep just under his outer leg. He was trying to have fun with and interact with Gurthie's throw. That's undeniable. And it's undeniably avoidable because he just had to stay on the outside of the roll. A spotter's entire job is to observe while staying clear. It's interference. Gurthie should have thrown a provisional re-tee.
How woud you write that rule? If disc hits a member of staff, then no penalty? If it hits someone way off the fairway, no penalty? Players don't necessarily see if disc would have come inbounds or if the disc hits someone. Or if disc hits a tree, should it be no penalty? Would give a lot of room for speculation. Sucks to have something like that happening especially when spotter is just being an idiot. He saw the disc the whole time and could have stepped/walked out of the way, but decided to jump over the disc. Rules should have very little, if any rule for speculation so I would not make a rule from this.
The staff just need to be briefed and trained better IMO. Volunteers or not. That hole sees a lot of rollers, everybody knows it. Spectators should NOT be on the left side OB and spotters should be ready to get away from the OB line the moment a roller is heading that way.
I was the spotter on 12 and lemme tell ya, a disc from GG coming in hot keeps you on your toes. He came to me after asking if his disc hit my flags. After seeing this, no way it could.
Idk how reasonable it could be, but could they take it where it hit the spotter without a penalty? I know there's no good way to deal with it other than having the spotters more out of the way or something.
Hey Uli, A ladder is behind that door. The ladder goes up to the top, where there is a trap door that leads to another small door that opens into the bowl that holds the water. I've been inside many of them.
Sad that the volunteer tried to get cute and hop the disc instead of just getting the fuck out of the way. He had all the time in the world to back off a couple of steps and watch it go by but he intentionally got in front of it, squared up and thought it would just go between his legs. Put him permanently on parking detail.
@@AverageHomeBoy I take responsibility for my stupid decisions. And these spotters, volunteers though they may be, should know better than to try and be cute. Do your job, and GTFO of the way.
Pretty shitty. That spotter deliberately stayed in that disc's path. Penalizing the player for what a soectator did intentionally sucks. If there's a rule about spectators that intentionally don't make a reasonable effort to not interfere, I could see a TD invoking a rethrow or otherwise in this case. That spotter deliberately did not remove himself from the path of the disc in a reasonable way.
I think spotters have gotten to comfortable with thinking they know where a disc is gonna go and trying to just barely get out of the way, it looked to me like the guy was gonna try and let it roll between his legs and tried to dodge last second when it bounced.
Here’s an idea for the Garret roller hitting a spotter situation- if the card comes to a concensus (or better yet a PDGA official) that the disc more than likely would have come back in bounds and the spotter hit prevented that from happening, maybe the player just gets to drop from where it went out but without the penalty stroke? So Garret drops and throws like he did, but for 2 instead of for 3?
The bowl noises are craaaaazy! Even garage band has a plug in to take that stuff out 😂 if it’s anyone other than jerm or uli why even be in the room????
Seriously. It's been pretty bad. I'll go back and re-watch 2016-2019 and it just feels better. Even European post coverage content has become more favorable.
@@jorn-jorenjorenson5028what’s your point? It shouldnt matter if it’s the first time or the 20th, the guy didnt wanna move and a stroke can make all the difference at this level of play. There should absolutely be rules in place when a spotter isnt responsible on the hole.
@@jorn-jorenjorenson5028 Because you have to have been in that specific position to know to move away from the disc's path, and not into it. Trash take.
Why did the spotter not move to the left or right ? so unfair to get a stroke from that. atleast let DubbleG play without a stroke from where the disc is...
There's no good way to write that rule. The rule should be, make sure your spotters comport themselves professionally, and get out of the way of rolling discs. And if they can't do that, they don't get to spot.
Regarding the Spotter, here is a rule suggestion: If the Disc hits a member of the staff and lands OB AND the whole cart plus the member, who was hit agrees, that it would have likely returned in bounce, the disc can be thrown with no penalty from the nearest OB Line (or where it likely would have entered, or where it was last inbound, something like that.)
1 meter relief, penalty free, from nearest line of border. Straight to the in bounds line, perpendicular to fairway from where it lies. It’s kind of interference, by a volunteer spotter, so I have a hard time wanting to punish the player, and it’s a tough ask for a helper to matrix dodge something like that! HOWEVER, the disc is out of bounds at that point, and had it hit a tree or signage of some sort, nobody would’ve bat an eye at it being OB. It’s not like the spotter was moving around, he was there when you threw it! SUPER TOUGH NO MATTER WHAT!
eh. I'm not a fan of this take. (The "It’s not like the spotter was moving around, he was there when you threw it" take, not the idea to resolve the issue. Your "1 meter relief, penalty free, from nearest line of border" suggestion is worth considering!) Trees and signs cant move, and are not sentient. Spotters can absolutely see a disc coming, and it's their responsibility to not impede the progress of the disc to their best ability, while still being able to perform their role of spotting. They are not supposed to be fixtures of the course. If a spotter cannot see a disc coming, they need to be either better trained, better positioned, or better selected. This spotter needs to be prevented from spotting, as he's proven he does not have the correct skills to execute the job.
Hole 13 isn’t too bad with that pin placement. I find the other placement to be the most boring hole and have for years. 6 guys got a birdie on it in round three. That number likely goes up next year if they keep it. Better than the boring Hyzer, Hyzer, Hyzer play.
28:04 Watch that again. That spotter had *plenty* of opportunity to get out of the way. It looks like he was trying to hop over the disc to look cool instead of easily taking steps to the side to get out of the way. Then, when the disc took a hop, he got hit. But there's no reason he should have even been in the space TO get hit. If I was GG, I'd have a hard time not demanding that spotter be removed.
@@jorn-jorenjorenson5028 He had a very open line of sight and his job is literally to be a spotter. I can understand being fatigued, but there's no reason to be standing in the line of a roller. They're not exactly hard to predict.
@@trevorreniger5670 1. I don't think you can exactly reconstruct his line of sight from this camera angle. 2. He was looking into the low sun. 3. It seems to me, that he did not stand in the line of the roller, as the roller was already curling in a little and seemed to head back into the fairway. It looks like the root of the tree and/or that dent in the ground made it change it's direction. And also jump up, ofc.
@@jorn-jorenjorenson5028 If you're standing that far down the fairway and cant see that disc coming at you as a spotter, you weren't doing your job correctly.
Dear Paul, It's a locked door. Behind is a ladder heading to the top of the tower. There used to just be concerns of vandalism and graffiti to water towers, but since 9/11 security has been tightened at all municipal water supplies for duh reasons.
If the disc hits a spectator, official, or an object that wasn’t there during practice rounds the player gets the choice to re-tee or take his lie in bounds where the disc hit stated objects with no penalty stroke.
That would only work for the relatively rare situation like what we saw on hole 16. Most of the time when someone gets hit, the throw is way OB and had little to no chance of getting back in bounds. TDs try to ensure spotters know how to do their (volunteer) job and sometimes you get a wildcard.
Hey Jomez. You gotta troll everybody tomorrow. Either when you start or finish the round coverage, show Paul eating a bowl of Froot Loops, clanking his spoon. I would laugh so hard!
In the spotters defense we werent in front of that tree. And it takes a hop after it appears to hit a dip in the grass or something. So i dont really know but I know that spotter feels horrible for the result.
Understand the hate of hole 13…but it’s the same for everyone, and someone did make a birdie…at the highest level of disc golf that’s more than fair IMO. Some holes you just play for par, and SHOULD play over par. I’m a fan
Paul, long time no “pack a lunch” comment, please bring it back! That was some A-game commentary wise when you used to pull them off on daily basis! Moreover, who’s with me on that the abbreviation OB should be redefined to Oh-Boy, I mean Jerm is anyway saying it everytime the disc goes Out of Bounds 😅
I think that spectator/staff thing should be a rule. If it’s clearly coming back in bounds, player should be able to play from that spot without a penalty.
He actually was out of the way had he not moved from his initial position when the disc was thrown. He thought he'd be cute and move left into the path of the disc and lift his leg for his 1 second of fame. Epic fail. He should only volunteer to spar with MMA heavyweights in the future. I'm sure many disc golf viewers and GG fans would pay good money to see this guy get what he deserves.
The bs that happened on hole 16 would make me so angry I don't know if I would be composed enough to stay in competition. His disc was clearly going in bounds and was interfered by someone not even playing. New rule should be just to place it inbounds where it stopped and not count as out of bounds.
That's so dumb though, how do rule on ¨clearly going in bounds¨. If someone blasts a shot ob and is tracking for a tree but hits a spotter, can he then just claim that it was about to kick ib so he should get no penalty? These things happen and is unfortunate, but it is rare so we just have to deal with it. I think the worst part about this situation is that it looks like he intentionally positioned himself so that he could jump the disc. If that's true hopefully spotters see this clip and the thought of jumping a rolling disc will never ever cross their minds.
@@bosmith6992 I think if they have video evidence clearly showing that it was going to go back in, or have a good chance to go back in, then was stopped by a person, that should either be a re-tee, put it back where it crossed out of bounds, or back in bounds where it stopped out of bounds. Either way, there's gotta be something to fix that, it's just not fair.
The Garrett spotter shot issue is such a hard one. On video we can clearly see that was very likely gonna curl back in and probably get to non-OB but in the live moment the spotter is not paying attention and out of position as to possibly even make a call of "this is gonna stay in" or "this is going out". Feel for him, it's like they say the good breaks go to the leaders and it feels the unlucky goes to those who are just collapsing
I missed it live but im hearing the spotter clearly moved into the shot to be cute and try to send it through his legs purposefully and got too excited and didnt see the dip in the ground in front of him and it flew up and hit him, clearly an intentional "accident" 😂
That spotter tried to do too much thinking there was only one outcome, not having the logical sense to realize its a damn disc and it can do anything at any given time while rolling across uneven ground. Get out of GGs way please and the out of the way of the game while its in action in general.
The rule needs to be more defined than that, because that could be taken advantage of theoretically. Also trying to determine where a disc would have finished is pretty much impossible to do accurately in a lot of cases of spectators being hit. In cases where a disc is saved from OB by hitting a spectator(or their equipment), there is no penalty or re-throw. So it's really about how much space they need to give players to play the game without interference. Ideally there would be not spectators anywhere near where a disc would fly, but these courses aren't built like that. They would have to cut back on spectator space, which is the opposite of what they want to do. Tricky situation, but I agree that a player shouldn't suffer due to the incompetence of a spotter.
If I were to shank a tee shot straight ob and accidentally hit a person, why should I get rewarded for it? your rule is dumb. This is very simple, it rarely ever happens but it sucks really bad when it do happen.
I get the same impression. It's interesting because his commentary is outstanding, if you've ever heard him. He clearly has an excellent mind for the game strategically and clearly he can put it together physically enough to put himself in contention, but I can only imagine what he could do if he relaxed a bit-- maybe he just appears to be that way and doesn't feel it.
This might be my least favorite course to watch on tour. The amount of uninteresting or basic holes that are really only made difficult by insanely tight OB lines on the fairway or OB literally within circle one make it frustrating to view. I don't want to see people barely miss a difficult putt and roll 10 feet OB. If the course needs this much influence from out of bounds rules to make it playable then it just is not a good course. Not to mention shit like the water tower, baseball field, and parking lot making everything look extremely amateur. Maybe I'm wrong or in the minority here but this is the last tour course I'd ever travel to play at.
Hole 12. Gossage gets the follow flight, Keith just as close gets the replay, Dickerson skips off the coping between the rim and the chains and nothing. it well was worth replaying it at 1/4 speed
If you're using OB territory as a way of getting a roller (or any shot) back in bounds, you know there's going to be people standing there. It's a natural hazard just like the bushes on the right side. That guy's not being paid to dodge discs (if at all). He's a known factor just like any other obstacle that exists, especially in off-fairway areas.
course looks super difficult today. curious to know if, relative to par, this is the single worst lead card on jomez. feels like it might be! was it -6 for the whole card?
just in case someone didn't know, jerm doesn't like hole 13. it's cool that it's a par 5 so we get almost 8 minutes of jerm saying the same thing over and over again
On day one 2nd or 3rd to last card to tee off. Hole 4 a shot hit a spectator and kept it in bounds. The disc had zero fight at that point in the flight. I dont see how it ever gets back inbounds. Spectators will have good and bad breaks for players. The bad just feel really bad.
idea for Jomez intro for Final round: Someone from the water department of Eureka invites Paul inside the tower.
Spotter was going for a highlight reel jump dodge. Just back away from the ob line!
Glad we do have the volunteers to make this possible. They deserve a highlight reel from time to time. jk jk.
recorded during the hotel’s continental breakfast
Like Gogurt...but to stay!
😂
"Why doesn't anyone take professional disc golf seriously?"
did 16s spotter try and jump over the disc instead of just moving out of the way? he had so much time to move
Just wasn’t paying any attention until it was right on him. Shitty stuff
Lol he seriously thought he had four/five foot ups with that janky ass jump. Christ.
Yes , he was literally waiting for it so he could put on a little show and jump over it like a Ding Dong. He has LOTS of time to just back the hell up and out of the way , totally stupid , just my opinion, call me what ya will.
@@InventSlaminatehe was 100% paying attention, he just wanted to be all cute and think it would go under his leg, hence him literally watching it the entire time it came at him as well as stepping into its path and then lifting his leg, not at all prepared for when the disc is like "hey idiot, I'm a disc rolling on bumpy ground, I'm unpredictable"
@@InventSlaminatewrong
the ambiance of someone eating a bowl of cereal in the background is a nice touch, makes me feel like i'm there in the booth
I actually would love if the guys would eat some cereal themselves too, just feedback for the team
These dudes recording this while waiting tables on the side. I respect the hustle boys.
Who eating cereal in the background?
i keep pausing to make sure something in my house isnt clinking.
Been hearing it in a lot of videos lately, getting super annoying
Its Paul for sure 😂
@jomezpro I understand that for “next day coverage” you can’t have a permanent professional studio but the background noises are distracting. How many subscribers for a mobile studio bus!?!? The silverware is killing us!
You would think near field mics would negate most background noise.
Garrett hole 16 😢 heart drop
What is even the rule in that case? Guy wasnt really in a hurry to go out of the way did he?
What if Im a spectator at one of these events and I dont like Gannon Buhr and get an opportunity to stop his disc in such a scenario and succesfully do so? Things like these need ruling quickly for integrity of competition.
@@ballzz2thewallI guess it's fair game when it's OB but you'd definitely get kicked out. I kinda wonder what would happen if you did this while it's IN bounds though
@@ballzz2thewallhe kicked it. He said nah bruh. Respect for the spotters ballsy move
The volunteer had a full second to just run away, he knowingly decided he was going to Matrix it.
Ok more like 4 seconds.
It’ll be nice to see Calvin on the lead card 👍👍 Thanks for the coverage Jomez and God bless y’all ✌️
In the event of an unintentional interference from a spotter, I’d say give the player last in bounds with no penalty.
Trying not to say anything mean about 16's spotter and it's tough
Gotta be doing that clanking in the background on purpose at this point
Spotter had about a year to react...
My man squared up to it! Stared it down and went for a cheeky between the legs hop
Yeah time to never show up on a course ever again
Should give a little kick to the disc get in bounts send everything ok 😂😂😂😂😂
Shoulda owned it and just blasted up the red flag 💀
@@MrThrowback34😅 That'd be wild.
Jomez trolling us all with the cereal bowl.
If you can re-throw because of intentional interference on a drive, he should have been able to re-throw on 16. Although the spotter didn't intentionally try to stop it, he very much intentionally remained on line with the disc and very intentionally positioned himself on the inside of the curl so it would sweep just under his outer leg. He was trying to have fun with and interact with Gurthie's throw. That's undeniable. And it's undeniably avoidable because he just had to stay on the outside of the roll. A spotter's entire job is to observe while staying clear. It's interference. Gurthie should have thrown a provisional re-tee.
That’s only for interference in the field of play. The event in question happened OB.
I love how Uli kept on instigating the water tower comments 😂
For Gurthie - would play it where it lies with no stroke penalty work? That is heart-breaking
Or take it back to the last place inbounds with no penalty.
Should be something they can add to the rules.
How woud you write that rule? If disc hits a member of staff, then no penalty? If it hits someone way off the fairway, no penalty? Players don't necessarily see if disc would have come inbounds or if the disc hits someone. Or if disc hits a tree, should it be no penalty? Would give a lot of room for speculation.
Sucks to have something like that happening especially when spotter is just being an idiot. He saw the disc the whole time and could have stepped/walked out of the way, but decided to jump over the disc.
Rules should have very little, if any rule for speculation so I would not make a rule from this.
The staff just need to be briefed and trained better IMO. Volunteers or not. That hole sees a lot of rollers, everybody knows it. Spectators should NOT be on the left side OB and spotters should be ready to get away from the OB line the moment a roller is heading that way.
No, there's no way of establishing with 100% certainty what would have happened had he not hit the spotter.
Having the OB in an area where rollers play in also an issue. At the same time, if your plan is to play within OB that is always the risk.
I was the spotter on 12 and lemme tell ya, a disc from GG coming in hot keeps you on your toes. He came to me after asking if his disc hit my flags. After seeing this, no way it could.
You definitely got out of the way 👍
Idk how reasonable it could be, but could they take it where it hit the spotter without a penalty? I know there's no good way to deal with it other than having the spotters more out of the way or something.
Hey Uli, A ladder is behind that door. The ladder goes up to the top, where there is a trap door that leads to another small door that opens into the bowl that holds the water.
I've been inside many of them.
love the hole maps during drone flight! 🗺️
Ledgestone is always awesome! Thanks Jomez.
That drive on 16 needs to have a different rule. Might be hard to implement but man that can’t happen
Or, the guy could just get out of the way.
Sad that the volunteer tried to get cute and hop the disc instead of just getting the fuck out of the way. He had all the time in the world to back off a couple of steps and watch it go by but he intentionally got in front of it, squared up and thought it would just go between his legs. Put him permanently on parking detail.
This take is trash.
@@alexhickman2945 This take on this take is trash. If you're going to be a complete drain on the community, at least have the decency to say why.
Why don't you go be a spotter rather than talking shit? I'm sure if you were in this situation you wouldn't want to be crucified for it.
@@AverageHomeBoy I take responsibility for my stupid decisions. And these spotters, volunteers though they may be, should know better than to try and be cute. Do your job, and GTFO of the way.
if its a spotter that doesnt move at a disc blantanly coming his way let him rethrow the drive
Pretty shitty. That spotter deliberately stayed in that disc's path. Penalizing the player for what a soectator did intentionally sucks. If there's a rule about spectators that intentionally don't make a reasonable effort to not interfere, I could see a TD invoking a rethrow or otherwise in this case. That spotter deliberately did not remove himself from the path of the disc in a reasonable way.
Again with the clanking
My guess is Uli is coocoo for Coco Puffs
I think you’ll be okay.
aGaIn wItH tHe ClAnKiNg oN tHiS FrEe CoVeRaGe
@@AverageHomeBoy Right? Why try to help Jomez improve? /s
@@ionymous6733 nerd
I think spotters have gotten to comfortable with thinking they know where a disc is gonna go and trying to just barely get out of the way, it looked to me like the guy was gonna try and let it roll between his legs and tried to dodge last second when it bounced.
Here’s an idea for the Garret roller hitting a spotter situation- if the card comes to a concensus (or better yet a PDGA official) that the disc more than likely would have come back in bounds and the spotter hit prevented that from happening, maybe the player just gets to drop from where it went out but without the penalty stroke? So Garret drops and throws like he did, but for 2 instead of for 3?
The bowl noises are craaaaazy! Even garage band has a plug in to take that stuff out 😂 if it’s anyone other than jerm or uli why even be in the room????
How does Jomez get bought out and the quality goes down?
Seriously. It's been pretty bad. I'll go back and re-watch 2016-2019 and it just feels better. Even European post coverage content has become more favorable.
What's with all the clanging dishes throughout the broadcast?
It’s been every video lately
man's gotta eat
@@laureeeent 😄 …. As my son, who’s always hungry, likes to say, “Big boy gotta eat” 😄
Love seeing Goose on lead card. Would love to see a lot more of him
I've been in the bottom of a water tower, all the water is up top, the city used to just keep bundles of fence posts and snow fence in the bottom
What time do they usually drop their coverages?
You can walk in the water tower.the door is for maintenance . Theres pipes inside.
and Candy, lots and lots of Candy.
It's mainly got several metal water lines inside the water tower
smart move not telling everyone about the Candy inside. (it'll be our secret)
I wonder what cereal Ulli is eating. My guess would be Special tKo.
100% spotters fault, had plenty of time to move but desided to go for the highlight. Bench that guy.
How many times did you volunteer on a DG tournament already, if I may ask?
@@jorn-jorenjorenson5028what’s your point? It shouldnt matter if it’s the first time or the 20th, the guy didnt wanna move and a stroke can make all the difference at this level of play. There should absolutely be rules in place when a spotter isnt responsible on the hole.
@@jorn-jorenjorenson5028 Because you have to have been in that specific position to know to move away from the disc's path, and not into it. Trash take.
Paul inside that door is my team of scientist calculations on how to hold disc to throw 800 ft
Hole 13 B placement is fantastic. I love seeing the players trying to puzzle it out.
Why did the spotter not move to the left or right ? so unfair to get a stroke from that. atleast let DubbleG play without a stroke from where the disc is...
There's no good way to write that rule. The rule should be, make sure your spotters comport themselves professionally, and get out of the way of rolling discs. And if they can't do that, they don't get to spot.
Regarding the Spotter, here is a rule suggestion: If the Disc hits a member of the staff and lands OB AND the whole cart plus the member, who was hit agrees, that it would have likely returned in bounce, the disc can be thrown with no penalty from the nearest OB Line (or where it likely would have entered, or where it was last inbound, something like that.)
why didn't garreth throw a provisional? the disc was altered by a volonteer. throw a provisional and take it up with the TD after.
why dont they show the disc choices on all shots?
They don’t know everyone’s bag perfectly, just their most common discs.
Great to see GG on the lead card, all of the OB was tough to watch
That must be a record for number of OBs in a round. Poor guy.
Who keeps eating in the background of the audio recording…..? It’s annoying af
A good way to mitigate the cereal clanking issue would be to use a plastic spoon and paper bowl
1 meter relief, penalty free, from nearest line of border. Straight to the in bounds line, perpendicular to fairway from where it lies. It’s kind of interference, by a volunteer spotter, so I have a hard time wanting to punish the player, and it’s a tough ask for a helper to matrix dodge something like that! HOWEVER, the disc is out of bounds at that point, and had it hit a tree or signage of some sort, nobody would’ve bat an eye at it being OB. It’s not like the spotter was moving around, he was there when you threw it! SUPER TOUGH NO MATTER WHAT!
eh. I'm not a fan of this take. (The "It’s not like the spotter was moving around, he was there when you threw it" take, not the idea to resolve the issue. Your "1 meter relief, penalty free, from nearest line of border" suggestion is worth considering!)
Trees and signs cant move, and are not sentient. Spotters can absolutely see a disc coming, and it's their responsibility to not impede the progress of the disc to their best ability, while still being able to perform their role of spotting. They are not supposed to be fixtures of the course.
If a spotter cannot see a disc coming, they need to be either better trained, better positioned, or better selected.
This spotter needs to be prevented from spotting, as he's proven he does not have the correct skills to execute the job.
Hole 13 isn’t too bad with that pin placement. I find the other placement to be the most boring hole and have for years. 6 guys got a birdie on it in round three. That number likely goes up next year if they keep it. Better than the boring Hyzer, Hyzer, Hyzer play.
Why no NoMez for Dickerson on hole 10?
28:04 Watch that again. That spotter had *plenty* of opportunity to get out of the way. It looks like he was trying to hop over the disc to look cool instead of easily taking steps to the side to get out of the way. Then, when the disc took a hop, he got hit. But there's no reason he should have even been in the space TO get hit. If I was GG, I'd have a hard time not demanding that spotter be removed.
Do you know what he could actually see from his position? Or how long he may has been standing there at that point?
@@jorn-jorenjorenson5028 He had a very open line of sight and his job is literally to be a spotter. I can understand being fatigued, but there's no reason to be standing in the line of a roller. They're not exactly hard to predict.
@@trevorreniger5670 1. I don't think you can exactly reconstruct his line of sight from this camera angle.
2. He was looking into the low sun.
3. It seems to me, that he did not stand in the line of the roller, as the roller was already curling in a little and seemed to head back into the fairway. It looks like the root of the tree and/or that dent in the ground made it change it's direction. And also jump up, ofc.
@@jorn-jorenjorenson5028 HIS JOB WAS TO WATCH THE DISC!
@@jorn-jorenjorenson5028 If you're standing that far down the fairway and cant see that disc coming at you as a spotter, you weren't doing your job correctly.
Someone is coo coo for Coco Puffs
1. Rules need to change. If your disc hits someone it should be a rethrow.
2. That spotter should not be allowed to work events again.
when you have calmed down hopefully you'll realise how stupid that rule would be.
At this point I’m convinced that OB actually stands for “Oh Boy” when Jerm’s on the mic
THAT CLANK JFC STOP IT PLEASE I BEG YOU
Dear Paul,
It's a locked door. Behind is a ladder heading to the top of the tower. There used to just be concerns of vandalism and graffiti to water towers, but since 9/11 security has been tightened at all municipal water supplies for duh reasons.
who did we hear washing dishes the entire time?
If the disc hits a spectator, official, or an object that wasn’t there during practice rounds the player gets the choice to re-tee or take his lie in bounds where the disc hit stated objects with no penalty stroke.
Nah... folks need to just pay attention and get out of the way
That would only work for the relatively rare situation like what we saw on hole 16. Most of the time when someone gets hit, the throw is way OB and had little to no chance of getting back in bounds. TDs try to ensure spotters know how to do their (volunteer) job and sometimes you get a wildcard.
Hole 13 must have been cooking because someone was doing the mthr fkn dishes afterwards (Is Jomez recorded in a greasy spoon diner this whole time?)
26:21 well hello
Hey Jomez. You gotta troll everybody tomorrow. Either when you start or finish the round coverage, show Paul eating a bowl of Froot Loops, clanking his spoon. I would laugh so hard!
In the spotters defense we werent in front of that tree. And it takes a hop after it appears to hit a dip in the grass or something. So i dont really know but I know that spotter feels horrible for the result.
Maybe we can all pitch in for a plastic spoon or a rubber bowl?
Germ loves hole 13
Uli + Floaties + Intertube in front of the water tower door stamp: When?
Understand the hate of hole 13…but it’s the same for everyone, and someone did make a birdie…at the highest level of disc golf that’s more than fair IMO. Some holes you just play for par, and SHOULD play over par. I’m a fan
Jerm just has this thing where if he doesn’t like a hole, no one should like the hole
I also want to know what's behind that door 😆
Mostly a big tube and a ladder for maintenance
27:52 The moment
Buddy is lucky he didn't get Kung Lao'd with Garrets roller. Flawless victory
If Aaron gets better at putting he will be a menace! One of my favorite players to watch from the tee!
Paul, long time no “pack a lunch” comment, please bring it back! That was some A-game commentary wise when you used to pull them off on daily basis!
Moreover, who’s with me on that the abbreviation OB should be redefined to Oh-Boy, I mean Jerm is anyway saying it everytime the disc goes Out of Bounds 😅
that spotter is pretty cool
9:50 is it just me or has everyone else been hearing the person eating cereal in just about every video this season? Get them a plastic spoon
I think that spectator/staff thing should be a rule. If it’s clearly coming back in bounds, player should be able to play from that spot without a penalty.
How do one decide on ¨clearly coming back in bounds¨ no one can actually rule on that.
Bro!? Get the F out of the way! Why did he just stand there and watch the disc hit him??
He actually was out of the way had he not moved from his initial position when the disc was thrown. He thought he'd be cute and move left into the path of the disc and lift his leg for his 1 second of fame. Epic fail. He should only volunteer to spar with MMA heavyweights in the future. I'm sure many disc golf viewers and GG fans would pay good money to see this guy get what he deserves.
The bs that happened on hole 16 would make me so angry I don't know if I would be composed enough to stay in competition. His disc was clearly going in bounds and was interfered by someone not even playing. New rule should be just to place it inbounds where it stopped and not count as out of bounds.
That's so dumb though, how do rule on ¨clearly going in bounds¨. If someone blasts a shot ob and is tracking for a tree but hits a spotter, can he then just claim that it was about to kick ib so he should get no penalty? These things happen and is unfortunate, but it is rare so we just have to deal with it. I think the worst part about this situation is that it looks like he
intentionally positioned himself so that he could jump the disc. If that's true hopefully spotters see this clip and the thought of jumping a rolling disc will never ever cross their minds.
@@bosmith6992 I think if they have video evidence clearly showing that it was going to go back in, or have a good chance to go back in, then was stopped by a person, that should either be a re-tee, put it back where it crossed out of bounds, or back in bounds where it stopped out of bounds. Either way, there's gotta be something to fix that, it's just not fair.
The Garrett spotter shot issue is such a hard one. On video we can clearly see that was very likely gonna curl back in and probably get to non-OB but in the live moment the spotter is not paying attention and out of position as to possibly even make a call of "this is gonna stay in" or "this is going out".
Feel for him, it's like they say the good breaks go to the leaders and it feels the unlucky goes to those who are just collapsing
Am I the only one who did not hear the cereal eating?
I missed it live but im hearing the spotter clearly moved into the shot to be cute and try to send it through his legs purposefully and got too excited and didnt see the dip in the ground in front of him and it flew up and hit him, clearly an intentional "accident" 😂
Jerm just has to hammer his points home
That spotter tried to do too much thinking there was only one outcome, not having the logical sense to realize its a damn disc and it can do anything at any given time while rolling across uneven ground. Get out of GGs way please and the out of the way of the game while its in action in general.
Inside of the water tower is empty haha there’s a huge ladder that you climb to get to the top where all of the important equipment is
The rule would be easy. If a disc hits a person and causes the disc to not finish its momentum you re-throw...why is that hard?
The rule needs to be more defined than that, because that could be taken advantage of theoretically. Also trying to determine where a disc would have finished is pretty much impossible to do accurately in a lot of cases of spectators being hit. In cases where a disc is saved from OB by hitting a spectator(or their equipment), there is no penalty or re-throw. So it's really about how much space they need to give players to play the game without interference. Ideally there would be not spectators anywhere near where a disc would fly, but these courses aren't built like that. They would have to cut back on spectator space, which is the opposite of what they want to do. Tricky situation, but I agree that a player shouldn't suffer due to the incompetence of a spotter.
If I were to shank a tee shot straight ob and accidentally hit a person, why should I get rewarded for it? your rule is dumb. This is very simple, it rarely ever happens but it sucks really bad when it do happen.
i hope uli brings up the water tower door the next 2 rounds
gossage just feels so physically tense. i swear if he could relax more, he'd be incredible. its hard to watch him putt
I get the same impression. It's interesting because his commentary is outstanding, if you've ever heard him. He clearly has an excellent mind for the game strategically and clearly he can put it together physically enough to put himself in contention, but I can only imagine what he could do if he relaxed a bit-- maybe he just appears to be that way and doesn't feel it.
I've watched him in person a few times. You can feel it just from being a spectator.
This might be my least favorite course to watch on tour. The amount of uninteresting or basic holes that are really only made difficult by insanely tight OB lines on the fairway or OB literally within circle one make it frustrating to view. I don't want to see people barely miss a difficult putt and roll 10 feet OB. If the course needs this much influence from out of bounds rules to make it playable then it just is not a good course. Not to mention shit like the water tower, baseball field, and parking lot making everything look extremely amateur. Maybe I'm wrong or in the minority here but this is the last tour course I'd ever travel to play at.
Hole 12. Gossage gets the follow flight, Keith just as close gets the replay, Dickerson skips off the coping between the rim and the chains and nothing. it well was worth replaying it at 1/4 speed
Hole 12 sounds like they're filming in a diner.
If you're using OB territory as a way of getting a roller (or any shot) back in bounds, you know there's going to be people standing there. It's a natural hazard just like the bushes on the right side. That guy's not being paid to dodge discs (if at all). He's a known factor just like any other obstacle that exists, especially in off-fairway areas.
I'll take random silverware clanking on free coverage over continuous mouth breathing on paid coverage 🤷♂️
You’d think all that money that Heinold grabs every year, he could do away with volunteer spotters.
Does anyone else reeally want to go fishing in that lake? There's some bass in there fo sho...
I think Jerm doesn’t like the new placement on hole 13 guys
1 feet away from a all time classic Ace
course looks super difficult today. curious to know if, relative to par, this is the single worst lead card on jomez. feels like it might be! was it -6 for the whole card?
Who’s doing everyone’s dishes right now?
just in case someone didn't know, jerm doesn't like hole 13. it's cool that it's a par 5 so we get almost 8 minutes of jerm saying the same thing over and over again
On day one 2nd or 3rd to last card to tee off. Hole 4 a shot hit a spectator and kept it in bounds. The disc had zero fight at that point in the flight. I dont see how it ever gets back inbounds. Spectators will have good and bad breaks for players. The bad just feel really bad.
They got oldest, least athletic dudes out here spotting 😂