BTW dude I'm pretty sure orphie is a chimera as she has a snake tail the ram head and almost cat like movements correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I think when I see her hinting that the original Orpheus was a chimera thiren
@marquelmorris-astorga9404 Which would open up two possibilites 1. Mythical creatures can be used as a base to create a Thiren character off of. 2. Orphie's nature as a *clone* may have some Jurrassic Park/World kind of thing going on, where multiple DNA sources were used to fill in the blanks, making little Orphie a literal chimeric hybrid.
@silverhawkscape2677i mean, its not like they are segregated, humans can just bought thiren clothes and thirens human clothes, it wouldnt make sense to them not being able to yk
@Nachtfalke-NSKR Sharing clothes with friends or partners makes sense but what about celebrities? What if a thiren sports star releases a line of clothing for thirens? Human fans will still want to buy it! Would they make separate versions of Jordans for both paws and feet? Even though most thirens with paws walk barefoot some might want footwear for fashion or work site protection... Belobog bears don't wear boots in the game but maybe it's just because making protective work boots of high quality would be too expensive given that it's a lot of material and they wear out quickly! It's strange that they don't at least strap metal sheets over their toes or something, are their feet more durable than ours? Fur and thick loose skin must help a little but a mallet is still a mallet! Can monkey related thirens like Bellum use their feet as hands? That would make them extremely useful in construction too! I need to study thiren feet now and it's not even for the reason you'd think 😳
I actually just thought about this today as well, so earlier I went around looking at an embarrassingly high number of NPC and Agent pants to see how many of them could accommodate Thiren tails, and I noticed that: - Most of the clothes on senior citizens did not have any thiren tail holes - A large number of the whole-body dresses (I dunno the correct term) don't have thiren tail holes - The only human agents whose outfits could *maybe* support Thiren tails are Trigger, Evelyn, and Vivian. Though, Trigger's zipper might cause some issues for most Thiren tails, lol. - None of the Proxy outfits clearly indicate accommodation for Thiren tails.
@goodguyamr6996 Could be a widower. We don't see a Miss Big Daddy, just his kids. The fact that he literally went "go, work with Lucy, she'll toughen you up" and Lucy's training consists of LAUNCHING THEM LIKE ORDINANCE WITH HER BAT kinda tells that there may not be a woman in his life anymore...
"He let them under Lucy's care to *train* them." (Looks over at Lucy, Beating the shit out of the triplets with a baseball bat.) Is that what you call it?
@acemcwolf5445 Life in the Outer Ring is hard. If you dont get tough fast, you're likely to die. Look at the kind of decisions and impulse life-saving Ceasar does on a daily basis. Thats what it takes to live in the Outer Ring.
@rednave4489 its not clear whether the swordmaster had a tail or not, as their only available art has them standing among a bunch of flowing banners, it is possible due to her silhouette being slightly rounded at the back, but not confirmed, its not really even confirmed if they gave it up for the sword or if the curse is just named because of how they look
With Alice, her Rabbit traits are her skittish nature (rabbits are usually notably skittish and panicky creatures), and her VERY high pitched scream (spooked or hurt rabbits SCREAM very loudly and shrilly)
Going "hmpf" and stomping one's foot is also just a princess thing to do. However her Quick Assist is a dropkick, which rabbits very much do, and princesses don't normally.
@logon-oe6unto be fair, they probably thought of that when they made her be like a princess type character Like, what can you mix with that stereotype and that of an animal?
4:38 In her agent story, it's canonical that Nekomata only talks like that to act cute. There's a scene where she watches herself talk only to comment that she's cringing watching herself talk like that. Odds are, it's likely the reason she acts the way she does too, just to look cute
18:31 It's possible that Mors could be a Coyote or Jackal thiren considering the thinner build, taller ears, and more cutthroat and opportunistic nature. Plus it would be quite fitting for the desert theming of the Outer Ring, as coyotes and jackals are often found in and associated with desert environments.
Mors, or "My Prey Never Escapes" as I like to call him. He didn't lie though, his prey never even tries to escape, it's always he who runs away from the fight
Notes: • Seth actually hisses like a cat when he gets angry. That's objectively a cat like tendency. • Alice has stated that her father was also jumpy/easily scared, and has confirmed that this is common amongst rabbit thirens.
To rebuttal traits on Seth, he has actually hissed at people a few times, notably the Hollow Raider bandits in Jane's story when they were taking him in.
I already made a full comment for why, but I believe (headcanon) that Seth was told to supress his instincts. That’s why his feline nature only comes out in high-stress situations where his control might slip.
I've recently gotten it into my head that Koleda might be a super-low spectrum bear thieren. She is the only other person we've seen (aside from Ellen Joe) who has a mouth full of fangs, even if bears themselves have fangs and molars. She also wears a hair band with little metal bear ears and Fairy theorizes that her height was stunted because of prolonged ether exposure. With bear thierens supposedly being good for Hollow work because of a super high ether aptitude, Koleda being effected enough for it to stunt her growth without killing would have to be an incredibly high threshold that hasn't been seen much before. Belobog Industries employs a lot of bear thierens and you yourself mentioned that bears stick together to avoid the stereotyping and discrimination that comes with being one. Koleda herself, or her father, could have prioritized hiring them because they also were one. Finally, her name, Koleda Belobog, is an incredibly Slavic one (She's named for Slavic Sun god in Koliada and a Slavic Light god in Belobog) and bear worship is a hallmark of early Slavic paganism.
It should be noted that Yinhu doesn't actually eat all that much, with his appetite being a product of his backstory. Hilariously, it's Fufu who outeats him on a regular basis to the point where Yinhu has budgeting issues regarding the Yunkai temple's food bills.
@nemasisdemarini8339and real world pandas only eat as much as they do because they almost exclusively eat Bamboo. With a more balanced diet that he can properly digest, Yinhu probably wouldn't be that big of an eater
@mosesfrance3615 oh crap i was planning on pulling banyue but now i'm not sure maybe we'll get one of them for free since its gonna release around christmas time
Burnice isn't human, she's a doubious creature beyond our comprehension. All in all, there are so many tiny details in the world building, its truly wonderful. I hope characters like Lucy, Pan, Seth, and Ben get their stories expanded. Bc who knows, maybe we can learn more about Thirens from them.
Though Lucy and Pan Yun already have most of their stories covered by their friendship and sprinkles of other characters stories, it would be nice to know more about them like Lucy's relationships with the boars and Seth and his relationship with his brother.
@jajathenewking6131 oh dw about Seth's brother he Is most definitely going to be in a future patch and likely an anti hero or villain based off how he is described compared to Seth at least
In the Victoria Housekeeping story the mention that Lycaon doesn't going into the basement to turn the generator on or whatever because it makes him want to shake off the dust that gets kicked up like a dog. Just a fun lil' tidbit.
I mean to be fair… she’s literally the only regular human agent I can think that doesn’t have some heart crippling backstory. (Though her backstory is very foggy as of right now)
@Pencyduk_Legenddidn’t she find out that the one who saved her life in a hollow (Bringer) was actually corrupted to the Exaltist Cult, and was turned into some horrible sacrifice monster? And before that didn’t she found out that the siblings that she had trusted a lot were proxies (which means that they were criminals)?
22:03 well male Orangutans are very loud animals (the cheek flanges and throat pouches help amplify sounds) and are very confrontational with each other, though 90% of the time it's yells and bluffs to scare each other off. It's possible that Bellum's exaggerated posturing and in-your-face personality might be a reference to this.
Regarding Alice, during the Summer event, she mentioned that her jumpy, fearful nature comes from her being a rabbit thiren, and she can’t help herself. She also said that she used to scare more easily, but has worked to improve on it. Nice video!
Yuzuha only play pranks to teach a lesson or help someone, rarely for the hell of it. Maybe she likes teasing Alice because exposure therapy actually works on her and Yuzuha wants to gradually improve her tolerance?
The greatest detail to Yidhari is the fact that they in my eyes made her tentacles semi-autonimous. They move and interact with things without her directly controlling them. ZZZs Thirens while not deeply researched, actually are shown to have care in either actual behaviour or cultural stereotypes. Instead of you know, having traits just because. Which made me realize Alice does have a rabbit trait, being skiddish and easily startled.
11:30 a little note that Manato IS in fact, a dog Thiren, confirmed by 2.1 events where the game explicitly said that Manato is "a Dog Thiren with a broad chest."
I would speculate that he's specifically a wolfdog, which would explain his frankly MASSIVE size in all regards (he's both exceedingly broad and VERY tall), and his sheer physical strength.
4:26 i think we can consider ellen to be closer to the great white shark species, for example, adding up ALL shark species would obviously result in large numbers, but considering her as a great white shark thiren we can say theres like 3500 of those in the real world, which is very rare. (edit: also its hinted hugo is prob a vampire and vivian is a banshee, its in her name as well, which are both mithological beings, so theyre proof thats more than just humans, onis and thirens in new eridu)
It's worth mentioning that Nekomata's tails are cybernetic - you can even see logos on them. Since she already had the prosthetics when she met the Red Fang Gang, as seen in her teaser, there's no telling if she originally had a real tail (or tails) and lost it somehow, or if she was born without a tail like the Hoshimis and got them for vanity reasons.
Nekomata and Ellen are also interesting in how thirens see their traits, neko added prosthetic tails to add more to her thiren image meanwhile Ellen comments about cirurgically removing her tail since she finds it a hassle.
There's also the possibility that nekomata might not be a cat thiren at all since expect her ears her other animal parts are cybernetics or covered and at one point she panicks a bit and loses her speech quirk (like the nya's and stuff) which implies she's probably faking the whole cat personality thing
@GoncaloDCa Whether or not her tails are mechanical, she's definitely a cat thiren. Most likely the cutesy persona was originally a way to get people to drop their guard so she could pickpocket them, and it eventually just became habit
@pokeyscorpion8224Well the thing is we literally can't prove it and since there's moments in the game raising doubts it's a fair thing to question, if she's ever focused on again there's just as many chances that she's revealed to be a dog or a fox to whom something happened and got raised by cats at one point
With her ram horns and and a tail that spits methaphorical venom with her words, to me, Orphie fits the theme of a "chimera" more than anything. You could even stretch the definition of a mane with her big red hair. It also fits the themes of her backstory with her being made in a lab.
Before Orphie was revealed there were already few female NPC models that had pointy ears, horns and a tail strolling about Sixth Street since the game's release.
@1Pandakingno the horns are definitely real, just with metal attachments. You can check them out on the scene where Orphie talks about being a clone. She’s definitely in my head canon a dragon chimera but with thiren traits that can be up to interpretation. Which I believe like the original commenter says suits the chimera definition. (P.S after looking at that shot a little more I did notice the metal attachments being there on the right horn but not so much on the left oddly.)
She does but It could also be that Orphie was say, a Goat Thiren, and they attached Magus to her? Magus being the 'Serpent' to Orphies 'goat' becoming a chimera. Or she could actually be a 'Chimera Thiren' and that would be different than a goat thiren. IDK. They do have 'oni' ' like Sokako and seeming Master Chop. Are those considered Thiren? Is it possible there are more 'varied types of Thiren' than just animals?
Getting to play Idhari in the new update, you realize in her idle animation her tentacles act on their own somewhat. They wrap around her leg, where she will gently tap the tentacles to release her. This ties to actual octopus tentacles having mini-brains of their own, and a degree of autonomy. Edit: Typos
i like that intelligent constructs also kinda fit this spectrum, qingyi looks like a human with ball joints; billy, elfy, yi, vince and banyue have more human silhouettes but very clearly mechanical attributes (banyue also has pseudo-thiren traits with all the lion bits); tin master, seed sr., lee, conrad and sandy are more clearly inorganic but have an exaggerated human silhouette; old duyi still has humanoid aspects but is very inhuman, and then hu wei, sleip and magus are... conscious constructs.
8:00 interesting fact about Miyabi, she and her family do not have a tail due to a curse related to her sword, which incidentally, is called "Tailless".
In addition, it was a piece of story that was never mentioned on the main storyline or any related dialogue. The narration and story sequences just leaves the clues in the open for the audience to piece together, which I find to be quite enjoyable.
I'm pretty sure Hugo and Vivian have those features because there is a tiny bit of thiren (bat?) somewhere in their genes; it's been hundreds of years at the very minimum since thiren exists, so surely there exists people that have slight and barely present features, kinda like someone being the only ginger in their family because 4 generations ago there was one singular recessive gene that held on until them.
Demons straight up exist, so elves and vampires doesn't seem Far-fetched, actually there's an elf NPC with pink hair that goes around trying to give bad reviews to places. XD
@xrosslegends1279 There's a streamer girl (who has an optional side mission associated with her) who has pointy ears and a thin tail that seems to resemble a devil's tail.
@xrosslegends1279 the fact is though that we do not know. It's the main reason we have refused to put a "species" trait for any of these characters on the wiki. it may get explained one day, or it might not. they could be bat thirens, simple humans, or something else entirely.
If Vivian and Hugo are elves then that would imply the existence of dwarves, wich would further explain Piper's advanced age and yet youthful appearance.
ben does have another bear-like trait where in his idle voiceline while in a hollow, he'll ask if there's any tree-like objects to rub against, and this is also probably tied to his butt scratching animation
Well Nangong has thrown another wrench in the spanner. In her pre-release media there's a line that specifically calls her a thiren. She has no animal features however, but notably her halo is real. It's not just a fashion accessory. The huge scar on her back and the fact her wings look surgically attached also implies she likely had real wings at one point. In other words: she's a literal angel thiren.
There may be high spectrum fish-like thirens, in Yuzuha's story we go on a quest to find a mermaid and we do see one in the distance, it's not clear wether she was real, or a hallucination, but it might be possible, also in Lucia's EP we see a mermaid ethereal, which could be real or one of her dreams
I believe that Ju Fufu's name is a play on the literal phrase of "Orange Tiger" in Mandarin, 橘虎虎. The general area where the Yunkui Summit is located in is inspired by Cantonese culture. Many southern Chinese folks can't clearly distinguish the pronunciation of Hu (虎, tiger) and Fu (福, fortune) in Mandarin, so 橘虎虎 (Ju Huhu, Orange Tiger) would sound about the same as 橘福福 (Ju Fufu), while the latter is a better name (but sounds exactly like calling her an orange tiger.)
Small thing that I haven’t seen anyone talk about is Carole Arna, in the 2.2 story we get a better look at her and can actually see her sporting horns and lightly pointed ears so there definitely is the chance that she herself might be a thiren, especially if she’s a cow or bull thiren to kinda lean into the mythology of the Minotaur and how hollows themselves are like mazes. Just some food for thought that I thought would be nice to share
Fun fact: Manato's skin has fur-like skin colours (his skin changes colour going from his neck to his back) you can see this best in his M6 name card it's actually pretty cool
I want to mention this because my friend noticed it and I confirmed it in game… When in public areas primarily Sixth Street and Lumina Square (IDK about anywhere else) You can see an unnamed Female NPC (They are Never Named or talked to at least too my knowledge) that has a Black Tail with an upside down Heart at the end of it. This immediately made me think of how Demons in some media are depicted with tails like this which obviously is VERY CONCERNING if “Demon Thirens” exist, but we never talk to the NPC and they are never mentioned in game and I forgot if the NPC had Horns. But I thought it was worth mentioning that this Rabbit Hole goes MUCH DEEPER than any of us are ready for and I don’t think we’ll ever get a truly satisfying answer to what the deal with Thirens is. But that’s what I love about it, it allows the community to come up with their own ideas.
the 8 apendiges rule for octopus hybrids in zzz is a nice touch, in splatoon the humanoid octopus have 4 tentacles in their hair, arms and legs counting as the other 4 missing
The best theory I know of is orpheus being a chimera thiren, which would also explains why they have the fire atribute as (in some) tellings chimera can spit fire
@sillyCatBug I feel like Orphie’s in a weird spot. I’ve heard a couple sources say the tail might be organic, and just covered in an exo-skeleton thing to hold up magus’ weight, but if it isn’t, I’m not sure having a mechanical tail would have any sway on what kind of thiren she is. Chimera thing is still super cool tho, so will probably be personally sticking with that in the future.
It's a pretty thorough look at the Thirens, though it did miss one. Cairn, the high-spectrum puppy and worker at the pet store in Failume Heights. Though we can't really interact with him (her?), the design suggests that the canines of the Thiren species have as broad a spectrum as the felines, if not more. Cairn to me seems like a Japanese Chin, which means there's a high probability that toy breeds can have a similar "munchkin" appearance like our rabbit girl Zhao. We don't know how old Zhao is directly but due to her mannerisms, life experience and place in TOPS hierarchy, it's possible she's in her late 20s, early 30s perhaps. Cairn too could possibly be older than he looks but until there's an event that features him, it's mostly speculation.
3:01 Sharks seems so rare that Ellen's parents seem to also not be around, cause whenever she needs a guardian for something school related, she goes to Lycaon or Rina
I really think her agent quest is still the best one mainly because it's focused on her present struggles instead of dramatic past (and fit in the game space really well), but ugh, I'd want to know at least something... And i kinda want to left it a mystery too, grr
In Ellen's trailers it's heavily implied that Ellen was orphaned during the fall of the old capital and adopted by Lycoan and Rina, Corin is explicitly stated to be adopted, so there's that as well.
@Riplodokit’s never stated and it is unlikely that Rina and Lycaon adopted Ellen considering the seniority of each of the members of VH. Rina - most senior member Lycaon - most senior butler and leader Corin - third most senior member Ellen- most junior member.
IF I RECALL CORRECTLY; Ellen apetite is not just a her or a shark thyren thing, bear thyrens such as Ben also complain about having to eat lots of rice to have energy because New Eridu's culture/economy/society/food industry does not accommodate for the nutritional needs of certain thyren breeds that require higher amounts of energy (those are not their words verbatim but both Ellen and Ben complain about something similar along those lines, in her quest and his friendship thing respectively if I'm not wrong)
24:50 Hugo is inspired from vampires and Vivian, like in her name, is inspired by a banshee. This is where Hugo gets his longer canines, sharper pupils and greyer skin while Vivian gets her powers of prophecy from banshees in folklore foretelling death
makes me wonder if elves or dwarves are in this too and orphie looks like shes either a dragon thiren or an elf meant to look like a dragon and her horns and tail are just synthetics which would make sense on why magus has so much control over her tail to just whip orphie around like a wet spaghetti noodle come to think of it perlman could actually be a dwarf instead of a human
I got into ZZZ because of Miyabi 🦊 Started playing without knowing anything about the game. As soon as I learned that there's a fox char, I pressed download.
I have wanted to say this for a long time. The world isn't ready to face the fact that the rich lady is straight up just whipping around her employed thirens
@cipper12 I wouldn't be so sure of that, there's definitely some racism in New Eridu, it's just good story telling to have it, specially since thirens canonically share traits of their animal halfs, so many of them turning out dangerous is bound to happen, they probably even have medication for the more dangerous ones to be able to live with the rest of society, I mean, there's literal demons in the game, there was a war with the onis, and Soukaku is basically walking oni propaganda, with Yanagi working as their embassador and current leader.
@xrosslegends1279Actually. We can be sure because of how understated it is. It is present underneath but compared to Other Fictions, it's clear Thirens have become such a Normal part of Society that discrimination is uncommon nowadays. Even People being scared of Ben is played more that he's a Big Bear and less he's a Thiren.
Jane has to deal with a lot of flak as a rat thiren - people think she's dishonourable, also dirty if I remember correctly. Some thiren types are looked down upon at least. Something else I noticed - TOPS employees are almost entirely human. Given the ratio of thirens in normal society, that seems odd, and to me implies a preference towards pure humans. The corporate overlords being quietly racist is an interesting reflection of quiet discrimination in the real world. Zhao is an exception, but Krampus is stated to be an odd organisation that does things differently, which reinforces the point.
@jamjalopie Well, Damien's bodyguards were beast thirens when negotiating with Alice, but maybe that eather means he's only using them for intimidation, or that he's not racist since he hires them. XD
Ye Shunguang may be a fox thiren via kitsune that are found at Japanese shrines. Her ears are long so she puts them downwards to match her hairstyle. You can see this in-game by examining her two hair pieces more closely. She can't be a horse, horses have more skinnier tails, this also goes for dogs and squirrels. Her tail highly represents that of a fox, more specifically that of the folklore 9-tailed fox. Though her tail isn't shown to have the depth and details of nine combined tails. Just a theory.
Since there's a Nekomata, a Japanese mythical creature, among the Thirens, it's likely that Miyabi is not just an ordinary fox, but a fox spirit Thiren. Given the possibility of mythical creatures among the Thirens, a strong candidate for Ye Shunguang's species is the 耳鼠 (er shu), a creature from the Classic of Mountains and Seas, an ancient Chinese text that compiles mythical geography and creatures. The 耳鼠, roughly translated as "ear rat," is described in the ancient texts as "an animal with the body of a moose and the head of a rabbit." If you look up illustrations of the 耳鼠 online, you'll see it resembles a brown bunny with large ears and a long, fluffy tail-features that actually seem to align with the Ye siblings' appearance.
i was thinking alice's ocd tendencies are a play on rabbits' behaviors since they (domestic at least, afaik) tend to REALLY get used to the way their "home" is, and changes to their surroundings (while, for example, cleaning) make them angry. also as some people pointed out they express dissatisfaction with stomping their back feet, thumping. makes me wanna see a full-on hare thiren some day great video btw i did not expect myself to sit through it with my full attention o7
Yeah, I've taken care of domestic rabbits a lot and let me tell you, they are absolute prima donnas. And a hare Thiren sounds awesome, bonus points if they look like a crackhead or psycho since wild hares look like they'd speak backwards if they could talk.
4:47 The reason she probably acts more like a cat than Pulchra is probably because Nekomata fakes it. If I remember correctly, very early in the story before she even joins the Cunning Hares, she actually slips and says (in a more normal-sounding voice) she doesn't like putting on a cutesy voice and adding meows before correcting herself and going back to her fake voice. This means we can assume she probably fakes other things to be more cat-like, meaning Pulchra is a more reliable source of cat thiren information. If I had to guess, if Nekomata didn't fake being more cat-like, she'd probably be kinda like Seth, just a regular person minus the cat bits and the communication/closeness with cats, but that seems to just be a thing with thirens based on Lycaon's trust event. Although it seems that connection with animals might scale with thiren-ness since Lycaon is good with cats and dogs while Nekomata is only seen with cats. And even if Nekomata's connection with cats seems stronger than Lycaon's connection with animals in general, based off the dialogue in said trust event, Lycaon doesn't really care about his connection with animals and ignores it while Nekomata may have kindled that connection with cats. Granted (to my knowledge), we only have two thirens reference this bond so it could be that only some thirens have it but it is something I find rather interesting. Sidenote: While writing this, I thought Nekomata probably didn't fake liking mackerel, but Pulchra actually says in one of her trust events that cat thirens generally don't like greasy food. I know not all mackerel is greasy, but Nekomata could be lying about liking canned mackerel but IDK if she's ever said she likes the canned stuff. Also Nekomata could be weird or Pulchra made an over generalization in her trust event but I thought it was worth mentioning. Anyways sorry this comment got really long I just started rambling.
10:58 she does... She's easily scared of or startled by everything like a rabbit Also Zhao is a bit confusing for me because I have never been able to look properly at her tail, more than bunny she looks like a Chinchilla for me.
Notice that Lucia also has goat like irises, but idk if it's unique to her, because we meet another goat thiren from her tribe and he has normal human like eyes.
Something I've notice about Thirens- They are tougher than humans but when they do get badly injured, healing is much more problematic. Examples Jane and Nekomata have prosthetic tails. Ben is permanently blind in his scarred eye in addition to needing corrective lenses for his good eye. Another fun note about Ellen- she states that Shark Thiren tails don't stop growing even after reaching full maturity which is why she only has candy instead of real food when she runs out of energy because she fears her tail getting so big she'll have to let it drag on the ground
Manato is actually called a "broad-chested dog thiren" in one of the events, if I recall. Lycaon has a good hold of his composure for the most part, but he can only partially stifle his tail wagging when he's happy. Since we don't know exactly how thiren genetics work, it's possible Miyabi's family has to mix in people from the outside if they are trying to avoid beast thiren children... though both her parents looking like her doesn't help that speculation.
Yidhari's parents were shown off in the new event. Interestingly, her parents both have tentacles, but not in the same place as Yidhari, their tentacles are their hair, similar top octolings from Splatoon. They probably wanted Yihari to have these tentacles but opted to place them as "tails" to maybe avoid the big N from getting angry like another chinese game that has characters that look vaguely similar to another Nintendo game.
In some in game text you can find evidence that the boars actually aid Lucy with the gangs paperwork... to varying degrees of helpfulness, i believe that all three boars are actually more intelligent that the rest of the gang, lol.
Manato is believed to be based on the Komainu, mythical Lion-dogs, most well known for the guardian statues commonly seen in Shinto Shrines. I might propose Mors as a Dingo or Coyote Thiren due to his build and both those canine subspecies being present in arid/semiarid environments, like the Outer Ring. I’ve also seen Pulchra being theorized as specifically a Sand Cat, again due to their adaptations for desert environments.
Something interesting to note about Manato is that he seems to have fur on the back of his neck and shoulders, with some fan artists even speculating that the fur reaches down his back to where his tail is.
I think Orpheus, Hugo and Vivian are all mythical creatures like the Onii Soukaku. Hugo would be a vampire as you eluded to… even though it wasn’t concretely confirmed in game they suggested it very strongly. Vivian would be a banshee like her name suggests, she also has abilities consistent with banshee lore. Lastly Orpheus would be a play on a technologically modified chimera, snake tail, goat horns and there might be some lion attributes hidden in there too lol but ya
Speaking of Ben, he mentions needing glasses, but after Anton takes them away, he has gained more respect from his teammates. Unsure if it’s a belobog thing or a bear thing Poor Ben can’t see
I just ran into a Trust Event where Seth was being surrounded by a trio of cats all meowing at him because he saved one of them. So he's got that 'feline trait' in common with Nekomata, at least. Seem to recall it being mentioned that he's often surrounded by cats, just doesn't find it as charming or helpful as Nekomata does. Also, slight correction, Nekomata isn't _too_ into fish; she even yells at someone for assuming she'd want a fish dinner just because she's a cat Thiren. (Though I seem to recall she takes it anyway, because she also grew up broke and isn't about to turn away food!)
I lowkey think the environment thirens grow up in will determine how high or low on the spectrum they turn out to be. Like the more urban, the lower and the more rural, higher. Also depends on species.
4:59 Nekomata actually refers to a cat Yokai (a kind of spiritual entity) with two tails mentioned in many Japanese folklores. Characters like Kirara from Genshin and Kikyou from Blue Archive are also Nekomata characters!
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BTW dude I'm pretty sure orphie is a chimera as she has a snake tail the ram head and almost cat like movements correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I think when I see her hinting that the original Orpheus was a chimera thiren
@marquelmorris-astorga9404 Which would open up two possibilites
1. Mythical creatures can be used as a base to create a Thiren character off of.
2. Orphie's nature as a *clone* may have some Jurrassic Park/World kind of thing going on, where multiple DNA sources were used to fill in the blanks, making little Orphie a literal chimeric hybrid.
@northernstar39it does open a lot of possibilities for the story and while option 1 would be interesting and fun option 2 seems more likely to me
@marquelmorris-astorga9404 Same here. Guess we'll just have to wait and see, eh? I'm definitely looking forward to finding out more.
Just as a note, not all clothes have thiren tail holes, it's particular brands. This implies that many humans follow thiren fashion.
It's more like they sell to Both and having those Tail holes solves having to make two separate designs.
@silverhawkscape2677i mean, its not like they are segregated, humans can just bought thiren clothes and thirens human clothes, it wouldnt make sense to them not being able to yk
Or it could be pants stolen from their partners that are a Thiren.
@Nachtfalke-NSKR Sharing clothes with friends or partners makes sense but what about celebrities?
What if a thiren sports star releases a line of clothing for thirens? Human fans will still want to buy it!
Would they make separate versions of Jordans for both paws and feet? Even though most thirens with paws walk barefoot some might want footwear for fashion or work site protection...
Belobog bears don't wear boots in the game but maybe it's just because making protective work boots of high quality would be too expensive given that it's a lot of material and they wear out quickly!
It's strange that they don't at least strap metal sheets over their toes or something, are their feet more durable than ours? Fur and thick loose skin must help a little but a mallet is still a mallet!
Can monkey related thirens like Bellum use their feet as hands? That would make them extremely useful in construction too!
I need to study thiren feet now and it's not even for the reason you'd think 😳
I actually just thought about this today as well, so earlier I went around looking at an embarrassingly high number of NPC and Agent pants to see how many of them could accommodate Thiren tails, and I noticed that:
- Most of the clothes on senior citizens did not have any thiren tail holes
- A large number of the whole-body dresses (I dunno the correct term) don't have thiren tail holes
- The only human agents whose outfits could *maybe* support Thiren tails are Trigger, Evelyn, and Vivian. Though, Trigger's zipper might cause some issues for most Thiren tails, lol.
- None of the Proxy outfits clearly indicate accommodation for Thiren tails.
The boar triplets are actually Big Daddy's grandchildren ! He let them under Lucy's care to train them
NOOO BIG DADDY’S TAKEN 😭😩
@goodguyamr6996 "Where does it say that?" "In the name. Big DADDY."
@goodguyamr6996 Could be a widower. We don't see a Miss Big Daddy, just his kids. The fact that he literally went "go, work with Lucy, she'll toughen you up" and Lucy's training consists of LAUNCHING THEM LIKE ORDINANCE WITH HER BAT kinda tells that there may not be a woman in his life anymore...
"He let them under Lucy's care to *train* them."
(Looks over at Lucy, Beating the shit out of the triplets with a baseball bat.)
Is that what you call it?
@acemcwolf5445 Life in the Outer Ring is hard. If you dont get tough fast, you're likely to die.
Look at the kind of decisions and impulse life-saving Ceasar does on a daily basis.
Thats what it takes to live in the Outer Ring.
About Miyabi, the fact that she and her relatives don't have tails is related to a curse from her sword, which is incidentally called "Tailless".
Her ancestor has a tails(swordmaster void hunter)
@rednave4489 yes, and this ancestor were the one to exchange their tail to demon power
@rednave4489 its not clear whether the swordmaster had a tail or not, as their only available art has them standing among a bunch of flowing banners, it is possible due to her silhouette being slightly rounded at the back, but not confirmed, its not really even confirmed if they gave it up for the sword or if the curse is just named because of how they look
The sword: YOU IMPRISON ME??!??! Fine but I’ll take your TAIL! FUCK YOU!! AND YOUR CHILDREN AND YOUR GRANDCHILDREN!
@rednave4489yes which probably means that swordmaster took their tails or traded them for the swords power if were to go by the images in Miyabi’s EP.
With Alice, her Rabbit traits are her skittish nature (rabbits are usually notably skittish and panicky creatures), and her VERY high pitched scream (spooked or hurt rabbits SCREAM very loudly and shrilly)
For Alice, Rabbits get startled very easily and tend to stomp their feet when they are angry, which we can see her do a lot.
Going "hmpf" and stomping one's foot is also just a princess thing to do.
However her Quick Assist is a dropkick, which rabbits very much do, and princesses don't normally.
@logon-oe6unto be fair, they probably thought of that when they made her be like a princess type character
Like, what can you mix with that stereotype and that of an animal?
@logon-oe6un Something something, insert video of mama-rabbit dropkicking a snake here.
Also her extremely high-pitch scream is based off of the real life noise rabbits make when they're scared.
4:38 In her agent story, it's canonical that Nekomata only talks like that to act cute. There's a scene where she watches herself talk only to comment that she's cringing watching herself talk like that. Odds are, it's likely the reason she acts the way she does too, just to look cute
8:04 "You won't find Miyabi burying food, you'll find her burying the light deep within" is excessively witty.
I laughed my ass off when i heard it
BURY THE LIIIIIGHT DEEP WITHIIIIIN !!!
@Doubble_eggCAST ASIDE THERE'S NO COMING HOMEEEE
I almost had a choke attack while drinking when I heard that
WE’RE BURNING CHAOS IN THE WWIIIIND!
18:31 It's possible that Mors could be a Coyote or Jackal thiren considering the thinner build, taller ears, and more cutthroat and opportunistic nature. Plus it would be quite fitting for the desert theming of the Outer Ring, as coyotes and jackals are often found in and associated with desert environments.
That checks out.
Mors, or "My Prey Never Escapes" as I like to call him. He didn't lie though, his prey never even tries to escape, it's always he who runs away from the fight
I've always assumed he's a coyote tbh
Я думала, что он кот ^^'
And then there's Bellum. Who's an orangutan.
Notes:
• Seth actually hisses like a cat when he gets angry. That's objectively a cat like tendency.
• Alice has stated that her father was also jumpy/easily scared, and has confirmed that this is common amongst rabbit thirens.
True.
Jumpy... Now that's kinda funny
And when strolling he tends to attract cats, don't know if it's thiren related but it's funny, Lycaon also attracts dogs and some cats
@alanr1402Lycaon are a chill dude, ofc some cat like him
I personally also always tied Alice's almost squeaky voice to her being a rabbit.
To rebuttal traits on Seth, he has actually hissed at people a few times, notably the Hollow Raider bandits in Jane's story when they were taking him in.
I already made a full comment for why, but I believe (headcanon) that Seth was told to supress his instincts. That’s why his feline nature only comes out in high-stress situations where his control might slip.
@emberthecatgirl8796 ...shit I believe that wholeheartedly!
"I can't remember his name." So just because you're handsome, smart, popular, and handsome, you think you can just forget Bellum's name like that?
"why did he say that you are handsome twice?"
'Bellum huh... I'll remember you!!'
don't give him that crap! YOU ALREADY SAID THAT THREE TIMES!
La referencia 🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
@allama633 *Bangboo stare intensifies*
I've recently gotten it into my head that Koleda might be a super-low spectrum bear thieren. She is the only other person we've seen (aside from Ellen Joe) who has a mouth full of fangs, even if bears themselves have fangs and molars. She also wears a hair band with little metal bear ears and Fairy theorizes that her height was stunted because of prolonged ether exposure.
With bear thierens supposedly being good for Hollow work because of a super high ether aptitude, Koleda being effected enough for it to stunt her growth without killing would have to be an incredibly high threshold that hasn't been seen much before. Belobog Industries employs a lot of bear thierens and you yourself mentioned that bears stick together to avoid the stereotyping and discrimination that comes with being one. Koleda herself, or her father, could have prioritized hiring them because they also were one.
Finally, her name, Koleda Belobog, is an incredibly Slavic one (She's named for Slavic Sun god in Koliada and a Slavic Light god in Belobog) and bear worship is a hallmark of early Slavic paganism.
Every single person on the zzz art team deserve a raise
And character design
Personally except yidhari I like everything Abt her except the clothes it looks so messy tbh
@CATTICOS SAME. I wish she had a different outfit
I’ll stop you there
Except the person who draws loli corn
It should be noted that Yinhu doesn't actually eat all that much, with his appetite being a product of his backstory. Hilariously, it's Fufu who outeats him on a regular basis to the point where Yinhu has budgeting issues regarding the Yunkai temple's food bills.
Makes sense. Smol tiger is still tiger.
@nemasisdemarini8339and real world pandas only eat as much as they do because they almost exclusively eat Bamboo. With a more balanced diet that he can properly digest, Yinhu probably wouldn't be that big of an eater
i saw someone go "is she a phone thieren?" to Dailyn's drip and i haven't been able get that out of my head 😂
That’s hilarious I heard she’s gonna be a really strong stunner
Phone thiren?
Might as well call her a cyborg, which Orphie can also be categorized into.
@eurgavaSTORY. Intelligent Construct?
I saw that too!
@mosesfrance3615 oh crap i was planning on pulling banyue but now i'm not sure maybe we'll get one of them for free since its gonna release around christmas time
13:21 the siblings are a mix of horse and fox thiren, taken from the Chinese mythological animal
Burnice isn't human, she's a doubious creature beyond our comprehension. All in all, there are so many tiny details in the world building, its truly wonderful. I hope characters like Lucy, Pan, Seth, and Ben get their stories expanded. Bc who knows, maybe we can learn more about Thirens from them.
Though Lucy and Pan Yun already have most of their stories covered by their friendship and sprinkles of other characters stories, it would be nice to know more about them like Lucy's relationships with the boars and Seth and his relationship with his brother.
@jajathenewking6131 oh dw about Seth's brother he Is most definitely going to be in a future patch and likely an anti hero or villain based off how he is described compared to Seth at least
If the spectrum shown in the video is just the X axis, Burnice is definitely somewhere on the Y axis
She's a Lovecraftian horror, and I love her.
Burnice is just Burnice
In the Victoria Housekeeping story the mention that Lycaon doesn't going into the basement to turn the generator on or whatever because it makes him want to shake off the dust that gets kicked up like a dog. Just a fun lil' tidbit.
1:10 choosing Burnica as a representative of standard human is something.
Y
@miallioshe’s insane
I mean to be fair… she’s literally the only regular human agent I can think that doesn’t have some heart crippling backstory. (Though her backstory is very foggy as of right now)
@Travellifewithg I mean Zhu Yuan is there...
@Pencyduk_Legenddidn’t she find out that the one who saved her life in a hollow (Bringer) was actually corrupted to the Exaltist Cult, and was turned into some horrible sacrifice monster? And before that didn’t she found out that the siblings that she had trusted a lot were proxies (which means that they were criminals)?
22:03 well male Orangutans are very loud animals (the cheek flanges and throat pouches help amplify sounds) and are very confrontational with each other, though 90% of the time it's yells and bluffs to scare each other off. It's possible that Bellum's exaggerated posturing and in-your-face personality might be a reference to this.
Glasstic literally being like Lighter, "That's cool, I'll remember you".
19:13 Anthropomorphic Bears are literally just Bears with thumbs
"If you didn't start playing Zenless because of Ellen, you are statistically likely to have started because of Jane Doe."
_He's in the walls._
Me who play because of Miyabi
Me because of Lycaon
BURNICE BURNICE BURNICE BURNICE BURNICE BURNICE GO GO
Lucy piper existed
Me because of Lycaon and the gameplay
7:20 He actually does have some though kind of minor, like how he’s seen hissing like a cat and has been described multiple times as a “kitty magnet”
When he gets shocked, his tail also perks up (unseen, but its mentioned in interactions), exactly like a cat.
I also think his personality resembles a cat a bit lol
@jugemujugemugokonosurikire4735Yesss
Regarding Alice, during the Summer event, she mentioned that her jumpy, fearful nature comes from her being a rabbit thiren, and she can’t help herself. She also said that she used to scare more easily, but has worked to improve on it.
Nice video!
Ah, I wish we could replay event dialogue. Thanks!
So basically all the quirks and traits of a rabbit. Scared more easily, very jumpy, and probably that one other trait.
that makes alot of since considering, rabbits can actually die from being scared
Meanwhile Zhao exudes girl boss energy and admits imtimadation
Yuzuha only play pranks to teach a lesson or help someone, rarely for the hell of it. Maybe she likes teasing Alice because exposure therapy actually works on her and Yuzuha wants to gradually improve her tolerance?
The greatest detail to Yidhari is the fact that they in my eyes made her tentacles semi-autonimous. They move and interact with things without her directly controlling them.
ZZZs Thirens while not deeply researched, actually are shown to have care in either actual behaviour or cultural stereotypes. Instead of you know, having traits just because.
Which made me realize Alice does have a rabbit trait, being skiddish and easily startled.
11:30 a little note that Manato IS in fact, a dog Thiren, confirmed by 2.1 events where the game explicitly said that Manato is "a Dog Thiren with a broad chest."
I would speculate that he's specifically a wolfdog, which would explain his frankly MASSIVE size in all regards (he's both exceedingly broad and VERY tall), and his sheer physical strength.
4:26 i think we can consider ellen to be closer to the great white shark species, for example, adding up ALL shark species would obviously result in large numbers, but considering her as a great white shark thiren we can say theres like 3500 of those in the real world, which is very rare. (edit: also its hinted hugo is prob a vampire and vivian is a banshee, its in her name as well, which are both mithological beings, so theyre proof thats more than just humans, onis and thirens in new eridu)
It's worth mentioning that Nekomata's tails are cybernetic - you can even see logos on them. Since she already had the prosthetics when she met the Red Fang Gang, as seen in her teaser, there's no telling if she originally had a real tail (or tails) and lost it somehow, or if she was born without a tail like the Hoshimis and got them for vanity reasons.
Nekomata and Ellen are also interesting in how thirens see their traits, neko added prosthetic tails to add more to her thiren image meanwhile Ellen comments about cirurgically removing her tail since she finds it a hassle.
There's also the possibility that nekomata might not be a cat thiren at all since expect her ears her other animal parts are cybernetics or covered and at one point she panicks a bit and loses her speech quirk (like the nya's and stuff) which implies she's probably faking the whole cat personality thing
@GoncaloDCa Whether or not her tails are mechanical, she's definitely a cat thiren. Most likely the cutesy persona was originally a way to get people to drop their guard so she could pickpocket them, and it eventually just became habit
Given her rough upbringing, it's more likely that she lost her original tail(s) and got a pair of cybernetic ones later on
@pokeyscorpion8224Well the thing is we literally can't prove it and since there's moments in the game raising doubts it's a fair thing to question, if she's ever focused on again there's just as many chances that she's revealed to be a dog or a fox to whom something happened and got raised by cats at one point
0:12 "Mouse girls? Shark girls?"
_Me taking a look at my plushies of Hakos Baelz and Gawr Gura_
🙄
With her ram horns and and a tail that spits methaphorical venom with her words, to me, Orphie fits the theme of a "chimera" more than anything. You could even stretch the definition of a mane with her big red hair. It also fits the themes of her backstory with her being made in a lab.
Before Orphie was revealed there were already few female NPC models that had pointy ears, horns and a tail strolling about Sixth Street since the game's release.
it should also be noted that her horns and tail are clearly artifical, not natural. She is absolutely meant to be a Chimera.
@1Pandakingno the horns are definitely real, just with metal attachments. You can check them out on the scene where Orphie talks about being a clone. She’s definitely in my head canon a dragon chimera but with thiren traits that can be up to interpretation. Which I believe like the original commenter says suits the chimera definition. (P.S after looking at that shot a little more I did notice the metal attachments being there on the right horn but not so much on the left oddly.)
She does but It could also be that Orphie was say, a Goat Thiren, and they attached Magus to her? Magus being the 'Serpent' to Orphies 'goat' becoming a chimera. Or she could actually be a 'Chimera Thiren' and that would be different than a goat thiren. IDK. They do have 'oni' ' like Sokako and seeming Master Chop. Are those considered Thiren? Is it possible there are more 'varied types of Thiren' than just animals?
Her tail is entirely mechanical, it's a cybernetic attachment to her spine
Getting to play Idhari in the new update, you realize in her idle animation her tentacles act on their own somewhat. They wrap around her leg, where she will gently tap the tentacles to release her. This ties to actual octopus tentacles having mini-brains of their own, and a degree of autonomy.
Edit: Typos
She controls them very well on lucia trailer too.
saw that idle and thought it was cool but never connected it to that mini brain fact, nice catch
Seeing her parents really opens up a new can of worms for the octopus thirens. .
octopus don't have tentacles, they have arms. "tentacles" only have a single suction on the tip. common misconception though
omfg Doc Oc and his tentacle arms doing whatever they want makes a lot more sense i love it
5:45 I felt called out.
Same
Another cool thing about Lucia is that she has the iconic goat eyes as well as her tail and horns!
Wasn’t that only in the betas? Her released version has conventional eyes.
@darylewalker6862 it's faint, but she definitely still has the horizontal iris like a goat or sheep.
@spencersettle9695 yeah they even feature them in the music video
i like that intelligent constructs also kinda fit this spectrum, qingyi looks like a human with ball joints; billy, elfy, yi, vince and banyue have more human silhouettes but very clearly mechanical attributes (banyue also has pseudo-thiren traits with all the lion bits); tin master, seed sr., lee, conrad and sandy are more clearly inorganic but have an exaggerated human silhouette; old duyi still has humanoid aspects but is very inhuman, and then hu wei, sleip and magus are... conscious constructs.
8:00 interesting fact about Miyabi, she and her family do not have a tail due to a curse related to her sword, which incidentally, is called "Tailless".
In addition, it was a piece of story that was never mentioned on the main storyline or any related dialogue. The narration and story sequences just leaves the clues in the open for the audience to piece together, which I find to be quite enjoyable.
You forgot that girl who works in the pet shop in Failume, named Cairn.
idk if its a male or female, but i lean more toward male from the voice
@Proto_the_wickergenfemale. Her English voice is tomboyish, but her JP voice is that of a very cute and sweet girl.
@Proto_the_wickergen Play the chinese or jpa voice. clearly a girl.
@Proto_the_wickergen she's clearly female in jp and I assume other languages too. Design is very Isabelle from Animal Crossing too
I'm pretty sure Hugo and Vivian have those features because there is a tiny bit of thiren (bat?) somewhere in their genes; it's been hundreds of years at the very minimum since thiren exists, so surely there exists people that have slight and barely present features, kinda like someone being the only ginger in their family because 4 generations ago there was one singular recessive gene that held on until them.
could very well be that considering that the Thiren genes could slowly dulled giving more to the human genes to show more
Demons straight up exist, so elves and vampires doesn't seem Far-fetched, actually there's an elf NPC with pink hair that goes around trying to give bad reviews to places. XD
@xrosslegends1279 There's a streamer girl (who has an optional side mission associated with her) who has pointy ears and a thin tail that seems to resemble a devil's tail.
Hugo actually has some allergy/issue with blood and jokes about it in the story 😂
@xrosslegends1279 the fact is though that we do not know. It's the main reason we have refused to put a "species" trait for any of these characters on the wiki. it may get explained one day, or it might not. they could be bat thirens, simple humans, or something else entirely.
If Vivian and Hugo are elves then that would imply the existence of dwarves, wich would further explain Piper's advanced age and yet youthful appearance.
4 months late but this is what i was thinking considering their Knife-ears
ben does have another bear-like trait where in his idle voiceline while in a hollow, he'll ask if there's any tree-like objects to rub against, and this is also probably tied to his butt scratching animation
Well Nangong has thrown another wrench in the spanner. In her pre-release media there's a line that specifically calls her a thiren. She has no animal features however, but notably her halo is real. It's not just a fashion accessory. The huge scar on her back and the fact her wings look surgically attached also implies she likely had real wings at one point. In other words: she's a literal angel thiren.
There may be high spectrum fish-like thirens, in Yuzuha's story we go on a quest to find a mermaid and we do see one in the distance, it's not clear wether she was real, or a hallucination, but it might be possible, also in Lucia's EP we see a mermaid ethereal, which could be real or one of her dreams
the mermaid? that's just Ellen
Theres a visual of an actual mermaid thiren at the end of that specific quest btw in a art cutscene @holeeshi9959
technically speaking, Ellen is a mermaid.
@holeeshi9959 they're talking about the OTHER mermaid in the hollow. Not Ellen asleep on a rock in the middle of the ocean
Elves, demons, and beast people in a cyberpunk dystopia? I guess Zenless is just a Shadowrun alternate timeline...
21:42 Bellum huh, thats cool. I'll remember you
Moments later, he did a Soldier 11. Bird-brained as always.
I believe that Ju Fufu's name is a play on the literal phrase of "Orange Tiger" in Mandarin, 橘虎虎.
The general area where the Yunkui Summit is located in is inspired by Cantonese culture. Many southern Chinese folks can't clearly distinguish the pronunciation of Hu (虎, tiger) and Fu (福, fortune) in Mandarin, so 橘虎虎 (Ju Huhu, Orange Tiger) would sound about the same as 橘福福 (Ju Fufu), while the latter is a better name (but sounds exactly like calling her an orange tiger.)
i don't really have anything to say, but i heard comments boost engagement, so i'm leaving one anyway. love the videos!
Small thing that I haven’t seen anyone talk about is Carole Arna, in the 2.2 story we get a better look at her and can actually see her sporting horns and lightly pointed ears so there definitely is the chance that she herself might be a thiren, especially if she’s a cow or bull thiren to kinda lean into the mythology of the Minotaur and how hollows themselves are like mazes. Just some food for thought that I thought would be nice to share
Fun fact: Manato's skin has fur-like skin colours (his skin changes colour going from his neck to his back) you can see this best in his M6 name card it's actually pretty cool
I want to mention this because my friend noticed it and I confirmed it in game…
When in public areas primarily Sixth Street and Lumina Square (IDK about anywhere else)
You can see an unnamed Female NPC (They are Never Named or talked to at least too my knowledge) that has a Black Tail with an upside down Heart at the end of it.
This immediately made me think of how Demons in some media are depicted with tails like this which obviously is VERY CONCERNING if “Demon Thirens” exist, but we never talk to the NPC and they are never mentioned in game and I forgot if the NPC had Horns.
But I thought it was worth mentioning that this Rabbit Hole goes MUCH DEEPER than any of us are ready for and I don’t think we’ll ever get a truly satisfying answer to what the deal with Thirens is.
But that’s what I love about it, it allows the community to come up with their own ideas.
Can confirm the aforementioned NOC had Horns
Well apparently angel thirens exists, case in point the idol nangong yu. Devil Thirens definately exist
Well we have onis so
the 8 apendiges rule for octopus hybrids in zzz is a nice touch, in splatoon the humanoid octopus have 4 tentacles in their hair, arms and legs counting as the other 4 missing
"My source is that I made it the fuck up" WELL YOU WERE GOD DAMN RIGHT ANYWAY
I hope they eventually dive into the origin of Thirens and how long they have existed
Same. That's honestly what I'm most curious about.
24:32 This is incorrect, Fury on Orphie and Magus's music shows that Orphie's horns are organic just covered in armored plating
The best theory I know of is orpheus being a chimera thiren, which would also explains why they have the fire atribute as (in some) tellings chimera can spit fire
@sillyCatBug I feel like Orphie’s in a weird spot. I’ve heard a couple sources say the tail might be organic, and just covered in an exo-skeleton thing to hold up magus’ weight, but if it isn’t, I’m not sure having a mechanical tail would have any sway on what kind of thiren she is. Chimera thing is still super cool tho, so will probably be personally sticking with that in the future.
Alice gets spooked easily could be attributed to her bunny trait.
It's a pretty thorough look at the Thirens, though it did miss one. Cairn, the high-spectrum puppy and worker at the pet store in Failume Heights. Though we can't really interact with him (her?), the design suggests that the canines of the Thiren species have as broad a spectrum as the felines, if not more. Cairn to me seems like a Japanese Chin, which means there's a high probability that toy breeds can have a similar "munchkin" appearance like our rabbit girl Zhao. We don't know how old Zhao is directly but due to her mannerisms, life experience and place in TOPS hierarchy, it's possible she's in her late 20s, early 30s perhaps. Cairn too could possibly be older than he looks but until there's an event that features him, it's mostly speculation.
3:01
Sharks seems so rare that Ellen's parents seem to also not be around, cause whenever she needs a guardian for something school related, she goes to Lycaon or Rina
I really think her agent quest is still the best one mainly because it's focused on her present struggles instead of dramatic past (and fit in the game space really well), but ugh, I'd want to know at least something... And i kinda want to left it a mystery too, grr
In Ellen's trailers it's heavily implied that Ellen was orphaned during the fall of the old capital and adopted by Lycoan and Rina, Corin is explicitly stated to be adopted, so there's that as well.
@voler_1925 oh? I had some idea that she might be an orphan, but didn't know from where, need to rewatch some i guess
@Riplodokit’s never stated and it is unlikely that Rina and Lycaon adopted Ellen considering the seniority of each of the members of VH.
Rina - most senior member
Lycaon - most senior butler and leader
Corin - third most senior member
Ellen- most junior member.
@isbirdwatching3724 narrative context is important. Its heavily implied there is a parent child relationship between Lycaon + RIna and Ellen + Corin
IF I RECALL CORRECTLY; Ellen apetite is not just a her or a shark thyren thing, bear thyrens such as Ben also complain about having to eat lots of rice to have energy because New Eridu's culture/economy/society/food industry does not accommodate for the nutritional needs of certain thyren breeds that require higher amounts of energy (those are not their words verbatim but both Ellen and Ben complain about something similar along those lines, in her quest and his friendship thing respectively if I'm not wrong)
24:50 Hugo is inspired from vampires and Vivian, like in her name, is inspired by a banshee. This is where Hugo gets his longer canines, sharper pupils and greyer skin while Vivian gets her powers of prophecy from banshees in folklore foretelling death
makes me wonder if elves or dwarves are in this too and orphie looks like shes either a dragon thiren or an elf meant to look like a dragon and her horns and tail are just synthetics which would make sense on why magus has so much control over her tail to just whip orphie around like a wet spaghetti noodle
come to think of it perlman could actually be a dwarf instead of a human
I think mythological creatures are also Thirens because nothing in the game states otherwise.
@slayerofdarknssdmt9697 Orphie is inspired by chimeras (which kind of plays into her being a reconstructed artifical being made from Orpheus)
5:46 HA! Joke's on you, I started playing it for Billy
Alice gets spooked easily like a rabbit.
23:40 What about the pet shop owner in Waifei Peninsula?
Orphie: a gun thiren
Orphie's horns and Magus as her tail make her look like a Chimera.
13:08 🔥 🐎 2026 is year of the Fire Horse, she is a Tenghuang, which can look like a horse or fox.
I got into ZZZ because of Miyabi 🦊
Started playing without knowing anything about the game. As soon as I learned that there's a fox char, I pressed download.
I have wanted to say this for a long time.
The world isn't ready to face the fact that the rich lady is straight up just whipping around her employed thirens
Now the silver lining rn is unlike other fiction with animal people, ZZZ's Thirens are not a suppressed minority group.
@cipper12 I wouldn't be so sure of that, there's definitely some racism in New Eridu, it's just good story telling to have it, specially since thirens canonically share traits of their animal halfs, so many of them turning out dangerous is bound to happen, they probably even have medication for the more dangerous ones to be able to live with the rest of society, I mean, there's literal demons in the game, there was a war with the onis, and Soukaku is basically walking oni propaganda, with Yanagi working as their embassador and current leader.
@xrosslegends1279Actually. We can be sure because of how understated it is. It is present underneath but compared to Other Fictions, it's clear Thirens have become such a Normal part of Society that discrimination is uncommon nowadays. Even People being scared of Ben is played more that he's a Big Bear and less he's a Thiren.
Jane has to deal with a lot of flak as a rat thiren - people think she's dishonourable, also dirty if I remember correctly. Some thiren types are looked down upon at least.
Something else I noticed - TOPS employees are almost entirely human. Given the ratio of thirens in normal society, that seems odd, and to me implies a preference towards pure humans. The corporate overlords being quietly racist is an interesting reflection of quiet discrimination in the real world.
Zhao is an exception, but Krampus is stated to be an odd organisation that does things differently, which reinforces the point.
@jamjalopie Well, Damien's bodyguards were beast thirens when negotiating with Alice, but maybe that eather means he's only using them for intimidation, or that he's not racist since he hires them. XD
Ye Shunguang may be a fox thiren via kitsune that are found at Japanese shrines. Her ears are long so she puts them downwards to match her hairstyle. You can see this in-game by examining her two hair pieces more closely. She can't be a horse, horses have more skinnier tails, this also goes for dogs and squirrels. Her tail highly represents that of a fox, more specifically that of the folklore 9-tailed fox. Though her tail isn't shown to have the depth and details of nine combined tails. Just a theory.
Since there's a Nekomata, a Japanese mythical creature, among the Thirens, it's likely that Miyabi is not just an ordinary fox, but a fox spirit Thiren.
Given the possibility of mythical creatures among the Thirens, a strong candidate for Ye Shunguang's species is the 耳鼠 (er shu), a creature from the Classic of Mountains and Seas, an ancient Chinese text that compiles mythical geography and creatures. The 耳鼠, roughly translated as "ear rat," is described in the ancient texts as "an animal with the body of a moose and the head of a rabbit."
If you look up illustrations of the 耳鼠 online, you'll see it resembles a brown bunny with large ears and a long, fluffy tail-features that actually seem to align with the Ye siblings' appearance.
i was thinking alice's ocd tendencies are a play on rabbits' behaviors since they (domestic at least, afaik) tend to REALLY get used to the way their "home" is, and changes to their surroundings (while, for example, cleaning) make them angry. also as some people pointed out they express dissatisfaction with stomping their back feet, thumping. makes me wanna see a full-on hare thiren some day
great video btw i did not expect myself to sit through it with my full attention o7
Yeah, I've taken care of domestic rabbits a lot and let me tell you, they are absolute prima donnas. And a hare Thiren sounds awesome, bonus points if they look like a crackhead or psycho since wild hares look like they'd speak backwards if they could talk.
7:30 For a split second I honestly thought ur gonna say: She is the storm that is approaching!
There is one character you forgot about:
Cairn, the little dog thiren that runs the pet shop in Failume Heights.
"You will find her burying the light deep within"
SHE IS MOTIVATED
I vaguely remember Hugo's mother mentioning that his eye was shameful to their "kind"
4:47 The reason she probably acts more like a cat than Pulchra is probably because Nekomata fakes it. If I remember correctly, very early in the story before she even joins the Cunning Hares, she actually slips and says (in a more normal-sounding voice) she doesn't like putting on a cutesy voice and adding meows before correcting herself and going back to her fake voice. This means we can assume she probably fakes other things to be more cat-like, meaning Pulchra is a more reliable source of cat thiren information.
If I had to guess, if Nekomata didn't fake being more cat-like, she'd probably be kinda like Seth, just a regular person minus the cat bits and the communication/closeness with cats, but that seems to just be a thing with thirens based on Lycaon's trust event. Although it seems that connection with animals might scale with thiren-ness since Lycaon is good with cats and dogs while Nekomata is only seen with cats. And even if Nekomata's connection with cats seems stronger than Lycaon's connection with animals in general, based off the dialogue in said trust event, Lycaon doesn't really care about his connection with animals and ignores it while Nekomata may have kindled that connection with cats. Granted (to my knowledge), we only have two thirens reference this bond so it could be that only some thirens have it but it is something I find rather interesting.
Sidenote: While writing this, I thought Nekomata probably didn't fake liking mackerel, but Pulchra actually says in one of her trust events that cat thirens generally don't like greasy food. I know not all mackerel is greasy, but Nekomata could be lying about liking canned mackerel but IDK if she's ever said she likes the canned stuff. Also Nekomata could be weird or Pulchra made an over generalization in her trust event but I thought it was worth mentioning.
Anyways sorry this comment got really long I just started rambling.
10:58 she does... She's easily scared of or startled by everything like a rabbit
Also Zhao is a bit confusing for me because I have never been able to look properly at her tail, more than bunny she looks like a Chinchilla for me.
Notice that Lucia also has goat like irises, but idk if it's unique to her, because we meet another goat thiren from her tribe and he has normal human like eyes.
It's probably just a different trait, with some people having it and others not
R.I.P. Cairn from the pet store "Fluffy"
Something I've notice about Thirens-
They are tougher than humans but when they do get badly injured, healing is much more problematic.
Examples
Jane and Nekomata have prosthetic tails. Ben is permanently blind in his scarred eye in addition to needing corrective lenses for his good eye.
Another fun note about Ellen- she states that Shark Thiren tails don't stop growing even after reaching full maturity which is why she only has candy instead of real food when she runs out of energy because she fears her tail getting so big she'll have to let it drag on the ground
Manato is actually called a "broad-chested dog thiren" in one of the events, if I recall. Lycaon has a good hold of his composure for the most part, but he can only partially stifle his tail wagging when he's happy. Since we don't know exactly how thiren genetics work, it's possible Miyabi's family has to mix in people from the outside if they are trying to avoid beast thiren children... though both her parents looking like her doesn't help that speculation.
Orphie is closer to a chimera than a dragon.
crossing my fingers, arms and legs, and PRAYING for our first ever horseshoe crab thiren. Mark my words.
I wonder how that'd work
5:58 close, Jane tempted, Evelyn pushed me over the edge
Yidhari's parents were shown off in the new event. Interestingly, her parents both have tentacles, but not in the same place as Yidhari, their tentacles are their hair, similar top octolings from Splatoon. They probably wanted Yihari to have these tentacles but opted to place them as "tails" to maybe avoid the big N from getting angry like another chinese game that has characters that look vaguely similar to another Nintendo game.
In some in game text you can find evidence that the boars actually aid Lucy with the gangs paperwork... to varying degrees of helpfulness, i believe that all three boars are actually more intelligent that the rest of the gang, lol.
Demonym is my word of the day: a noun used to denote the natives or inhabitants of a particular country, state, city, etc.
11:08 alice is also pretty much scared by ANYTHING so i think their personalities are afected by their animal parts
Manato is believed to be based on the Komainu, mythical Lion-dogs, most well known for the guardian statues commonly seen in Shinto Shrines.
I might propose Mors as a Dingo or Coyote Thiren due to his build and both those canine subspecies being present in arid/semiarid environments, like the Outer Ring.
I’ve also seen Pulchra being theorized as specifically a Sand Cat, again due to their adaptations for desert environments.
Alice generally behaves like a rabbit showing shyness a lot and getting angry/annoyed very easily when embarrassed
Also, fun fact: the Boss ethereals are based off rare plants
The checks out.
It varies between hollows hnech the sealife/insects in Aerospace city
A Uma collab can cover the horse Thiren.
Something interesting to note about Manato is that he seems to have fur on the back of his neck and shoulders, with some fan artists even speculating that the fur reaches down his back to where his tail is.
Nah its legit. Manato is like 80% Thiren except for his head which is a human. Its like seeing Lycaon but the head is a human head instead of wolf/dog
Alice definitely has bunny behavior, she’s incredibly shy, skittish, easy to startle, and generally scaredy
Alice being very easily scared though likely not a universal trait to all rabbit thirens could be a nod to how skittish rabbits can be
Her scream is also a nod to rabbits. When rabbits are spooked or injured, they let out a VERY shrill, high-pitched scream.
I think Orpheus, Hugo and Vivian are all mythical creatures like the Onii Soukaku. Hugo would be a vampire as you eluded to… even though it wasn’t concretely confirmed in game they suggested it very strongly. Vivian would be a banshee like her name suggests, she also has abilities consistent with banshee lore. Lastly Orpheus would be a play on a technologically modified chimera, snake tail, goat horns and there might be some lion attributes hidden in there too lol but ya
7:00 i called this a Tom n Jerry reference
Speaking of Ben, he mentions needing glasses, but after Anton takes them away, he has gained more respect from his teammates. Unsure if it’s a belobog thing or a bear thing
Poor Ben can’t see
I just ran into a Trust Event where Seth was being surrounded by a trio of cats all meowing at him because he saved one of them. So he's got that 'feline trait' in common with Nekomata, at least. Seem to recall it being mentioned that he's often surrounded by cats, just doesn't find it as charming or helpful as Nekomata does. Also, slight correction, Nekomata isn't _too_ into fish; she even yells at someone for assuming she'd want a fish dinner just because she's a cat Thiren. (Though I seem to recall she takes it anyway, because she also grew up broke and isn't about to turn away food!)
I lowkey think the environment thirens grow up in will determine how high or low on the spectrum they turn out to be. Like the more urban, the lower and the more rural, higher. Also depends on species.
4:59 Nekomata actually refers to a cat Yokai (a kind of spiritual entity) with two tails mentioned in many Japanese folklores. Characters like Kirara from Genshin and Kikyou from Blue Archive are also Nekomata characters!