My dumbass studied sociology for my first degree. It was fun and interesting but useless. I didn't even feel like I was qualified to work any job of substance when I was done. Having realised my stupidity, I went back school to earn a second bachelor's and I will have my MBA in less than a year. I feel much more prepared to enter the labour market now and I also feel as if I have finally acquired valuable knowledge and skills that I can use to maximise my future earnings. Please talk to your kids so they don't waste time like many of us, make sure they are thinking critically ....I been in this almost 10 years strong smh
Lol @ your name I applaud you for being able to actually admit that mistake. Too many of us don't think about how our degrees will be used before getting them.
I majored in political science with a concentration in international relations and minored in applied computing-management information systems. After graduation, I moved to California and worked for a small cafe to support myself. My ultimate goal was/still is to go to law school, graduate with high honors, pass the California bar exam, and work as an attorney and ultimately become a senior partner at a large law firm in San Francisco, specializing in bankruptcy and creditors' rights.
Annettel Lathan, I am studying for the Law School Admission Test (LSAT), which I am taking in December. I am working part-time as a dishwasher for a small cafe here in San Francisco, and I am also interning with a legal aid clinic here in San Francisco.
I am heading to industrial engineering myself. Engineering degrees are hard, but there's many black people and people in general making very good money with a ton of career opportunities
@@lionitist No...not that but one needs to examine the statistics first, then make an inference. How many do apply and are rejected, without explanation, except for it being said to be highly competitive? How many do apply to the high paying degrees but are shunted to an ' alternative '? Are criminology, psychology, business for black males on full athletic scholarships the only or most likely type of degree programme?
Roger Porther well statistically there is a huge crime culture in the black community, which leads to reasons why a certain individual might be overlooked, I know let’s end of racism by enforcing racism.... at least that was the purpose of affirmative action..... using racism to end racism... crazy right?
I am not a supporter of affirmative action. Again, use statistics and logic ( mathematics topics ) in coming to an inference. We use code to instruct computers to do this. By the numbers one can infer that the higher ranked US tertiary system does shunt African American applicants to degree programmes that ultimately attract a lower payscale according to industry rates 5 - 10 years after graduating. To also suggest that there is a negative bias in application selection because of geographical criminal statistics ( again highly convoluted and entirely another subject ) is a skewed perspective. Does an application form ask if an applicant ever had a criminal record? Been arrested? Had to appear before a judge in court? An application ought to be based on the SAT/ACT scores, the essay, the school transcript and the activities the person is and was in.
Black people with stem degrees have the highest unemployment rate in the tech industry. They also get overlooked for Indians immigrants with h1-b visas. The problem isn't that blacks need to get more stem degrees we need a pipeline that guarantees us jobs after we receive the degree.
Ibrahim Tanner I read about a black STEM graduate working at Barnes & Nobles because he couldn’t get a job. It no wonder, the tech companies are white and Asians. Where are the success black business that black graduates can look forward to working for? The black Facebook, black Twitter, black Google...type of companies? There is documented discrimination in hiring. Now hiring managers can look at your LinkedIn picture, they don’t have to bring you in to say “you’re not the right fit”.
@monier naga speaking on “weak quals”: …This is what inherited wealth looks like for the top 20%,” Reeves said. “You don’t save your money and give it to your kids as a bequest. You spend it on your kids so they don’t need the bequest. It’s an upfront investment.” But as universities tilt their admissions toward the wealthy, Reeves said, they aren’t just leaving talented low-income students behind. They’re also lifting mediocre rich students up. A 2005 study found that wealthy middle-schoolers with the lowest standardized test scores were more likely to graduate from college than poor middle-schoolers with the highest scores. Students with average SAT results are nearly six times more likely to be admitted to top-tier universities if their parents are alumni. One of Reeves’ studies found that 43% of the members of upper-class households had skills and intelligence that predicted lower incomes The 'Glass Floor' Is Keeping America's Richest Idiots At The Top - HuffPost “Black Harvard grads get the same rate of job callbacks as white state graduates” “White high school drop outs get same job offers as black college students” “African American with college degrees twice as likely to be unemployed as all other college graduates” Anti-black discrimination of equally qualified candidates is the same today as it was in 1989. It has not improved even 1% in 20 years”
@monier naga black culture? Believing that black culture is primarily at fault means believing that black cultural attitudes are why the black unemployment rate has always been at least 50 percent higher than white unemployment. It likely means assuming that vague, hard-to-identify and complex cultural attitudes are responsible for most of the things on this bulleted list: flat wages, higher rates of arrest for possession of marijuana, higher rates of incarceration, a greater likelihood of being arrested at school, a lower likelihood of being accepted to top-tier colleges. When The Wire noted that black preschoolers are more likely to be expelled from their preschool programs, multiple people wrote in to blame the black culture of single parenthood. It was blamed on black culture. Is black culture why this 2003 study found that job applicants "with white-sounding names are 50 percent more likely to get called for an initial interview than applicants with African-American-sounding names"? American history demonstrates countless examples of racist obstruction of black economic success. Ongoing examples show countless ways in which black Americans are still obstructed in the same way. Is this so impossible to imagine? America was born with sin and keeps sinning. No matter how fervent your belief in the perfection of the American ideal, you've certainly met enough Americans to know that the ideal may not always be met. Racism is the simplest answer and racism, of all theories, is the one with a robust evidentiary trail.
@monier naga affirmative action? Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone The numbers prove it: After two decades of affirmative action, it was white women who held the majority of managerial jobs, compared to African American, Latino, and Asian American women (the supposed beneficiaries of these policies). Across the board, affirmative action helped women obtain success in the labor market. Today, women are more educated and successful in the workforce than ever before, while married women are taking over as household breadwinners.
"As a teacher at a STEM high school, I've had the privilege of inspiring young minds with my background in applied mathematics and math education. As I prepare to pursue my doctorate, I've noticed a concerning trend - even our African American students in STEM schools often opt for non-STEM majors in college, prioritizing quicker and easier paths. However, I firmly believe that we must empower our youth to pursue STEM fields to secure high-paying career opportunities. If we promoted education, particularly STEM education, with the same enthusiasm and dedication we reserve for sports and entertainment, we would be unstoppable. It's crucial that we encourage and support our African American students to embrace STEM majors, unlocking their full potential and shaping a brighter future."
Choosing a major is more than the potential income you can make. Students have to make sure a major is align with their interests, personality, values and skills. All students don’t have the aptitude for STEM and fail out of college trying to pass math & science classes. Also, employers don’t care what your bachelors degree is in, except for pre-professional degrees. Employers want to know if you have skills. Students DON’T KNOW HOW TO ARTICULATE THE SKILS THEY GAINED IN COLLEGE!!!!! They also don’t do internships or research possible job titles. If you’re college student or alum and is having a tough time with the job search, VISIT YOUR SCHOOL’S CAREER SERVICES.
Papito Aman I 100% agree with you & was saying this to a friend! I'm also considering med or PA school! I've definitely had my share of tutoring & have earned a 4.0 as an undergrad (graduate in May 2017). I have ALOT of people saying not to go into PA or med school, be a nurse. While nursing is not a bad career I feel white ppl are still trying to be the majority in the PA & Med career. In fact, I just read that only 6.7 % of blacks are accounted in medince (MD) vs 53% of white MD. Dentistry is also the same 6%. We need to advocate for more black men & women to go into Med, PA, & Dental school also!!!
Papito Aman First of all, you lack critical thinking skills. I never said black students wasn’t smarter. I have black, Asian, & Latino students who are good in math & science and they pursue STEM careers and some don’t because they don’t like any STEM CAREERS. And it’s also vice versa, i have students of all ethnicities that only choose STEM careers bc of the money and math & science is not their strongest subject. These students suffer mentally, emotionally, physically, & FINANCIALLY (Kanye said it best, “ “They teach is to hate ourselves and love their wealth”) just for the possibility of making more money in a career I guarantee they won’t like. Where others choose what they love and have job satisfaction and success, and the earning potential over time. I’m a trained, licensed, & certified black career professional and trust me, the message in this video is not straightforward. I work with many black career professionals who would also disagree.
Papito Aman Stay in school and develop your critical thinking skills because I stated all in reference to the argument and suggestion that black students should pursue STEM when some don’t do well in math and science. Also, Asians are good at math and science is a stereotype. I work with Asian students who are suffering from depression & anxiety because of this cultural expectation and some of them are not good in math & science or either hate it.
Also, students don’t the income or salary amount they would need to support their lifestyle. Students who focus on income when asked what type of salary is needed to support their lifestyle say “ I don’t know, a whole of money.” I would not hire any college graduate who could not articulate their salary needs because it demonstrates a lack of critical thinking, quantitative, analytical, and research skills.
My embarrassment happened once when I got all over our Engineering manager because of the 19 openings, he only hired one black person. He explained that they could not find any black applicants and the few two they did find were taken up by the big oil companies. He assured me if I could find them he would hire them, but even I could not find them.
Go to Indeed & search for jobs that want to hire “LCMHC” Licensed Clinical Mental Health Counselors. Those careers pay $53-$150 AN HOUR and you will have to earn a Master’s degree and obtain licensure. Counseling/Therapy is in the social services field (not S.T.E.M.)
I'm in automotive training. Planning to one day open up my own shop. At my school I can count the amount of black people here on one hand. Even when I'm watching automotive vids on RUclips. There's barely any black people in the Automotive industry.
Ludens , Great! Keep your head up do NOT let anyone stop you from going after your goals and dream, never give up, stay late and show up early, ask questions of every one that can give you information, ask as many questions as possible, you are on the right track! Peace & Blessings
We as blacks in this country have to stop listening to the lie of 'college for everyone!' Trade schools (blue collar) earns much more than many of the Humanities classes is pushed by many. K-12 is also horrible for many black because of the poor education. Sorry Roland, it's not slavery, it's bad advice and lack of nuclear households. Better guidance, not excuses! I was fortunate that my mom pushed education for all of her children. We went into fields that pays well. Stop the victim mentality, attitudes of laziness, having children too early and without marriage, and staying in school and you will see a DRASTIC rise in our success! Even before the 1960s blacks were out earning whites. What happened after the 60s? Social programs that killed the drive in blacks. And that's a fact!!!!
I would like to see a lot more African American parents getting involved in their children’s educational planning and helping students o Start STEM programs for African American students in predominantly African American neighborhoods will help junior high school and high school students be interested in STEM careers.
Stem just took off in the last 10 years. Then your told to do what you like. Then your told to go get that money. Then your told to live your life the way you want to. Then your told to do what I say. Which one is it dammit? Where are the high school counselors? How can you expect a 17 y.o. child to know the significance of those fields? However im hearing and seeing Engineering promoted much more in our communities. My 11 y.o. son has studied s.t.e.m fields since 1st grade. I told him he will be an engineer. Rather its in computer engineering or mechanical engineering thats what he will do. He can take up Political science and history in his spare time.
@Chandra Gupta My child Was in STEM Over 13 years ago. You do know this post is from 3 years ago. The ignorant one is you. I said take off not it started 10 years ago either. Did any of your children go to a stem school?
Rickey Edwards --- we need those as well. If you're not doing a high paying major you best pursue a trade. You can easily transition a trade into a business. Good stuff.
Dont go unless you are really skilled at it w/e it is Its an uphill battle. Its weird being one of the few african american engineers everywhere I work.
Too many of us go to college just to go. We've been held down so long, just goin is too often seen as an accomplishment all by itself. There has to be a more comprehensive conversation around college in our community.
+annettel Lathan I wouldn't say stupid, just misinformed. Everyone in our community needs to view college as preparation for a career. If your career doesn't need a degree, then you can choose not to go to college at all
100%. And today its not just about going to school. The world moves so quickly that by the time a lot of people get out of school, their skill level for the available jobs are inadequate. Which is why, the more internships, co-ops, ect that you can get while in college the better. We should be putting in the same effort to get those the way to do for scholarships and grades. High GPAs are great, but these employers want to know what skills do you have.
Well, most of the students are still first generation college students, so they don’t receive good guidance or counseling from their mothers or the school system they graduated from. The students are picking majors by perceived difficulty of the field of study. Children who have professional parents mayor in high earning career paths. Also, who really conducts career guidance in public schools that reside in urban communities? Information is free and readily available. Why do Asians. Indians and Africans major in high earning field of study and we don’t as a collective?
Based on these comments, it’s evident and research shows, people lack career development. I can’t believe Roland Martin would record this video with a white researcher from Georgetown versus interviewing black career professionals at Black predominantly schools who can speak accurately and interpret these research results. FYI: Also, black students are exploited in higher education research because we are a minority with a history of educational barriers. Doctoral students find it easy to research us, get their PhD and accolades, and some DON’T DO ANYTHING PROFESSIONALLY TO HELP BLACK STUDENTS.
So true. Please, please, PLEASE keep an eye out on your estimated wage information. Majored in Lib Arts for my Undergrad, as well, but thankfully saved things with a Master's degree that's applicable. Look at the image at the beginning of the video - the left most column is Architecture and Engineering, but even those of us attracted to soft sciences, etc. as opposed to STEM can do very well in IT/data-related "softies" like HCI, GIS, etc. or language-related courses (interpreter/translation jobs very pay well, especially in much needed languages, etc). Also, for those not taking well to hard sciences, consider trying your hand at the likes of coding, etc anyway. You might find yourself liking it (and liking the idea of something centered in IT like networking, etc). But above all else, if you still plan to major in a liberal arts program, double/dual major in something else in what's consider the normally higher paying majors, with it. Get it done all at once, as you might not feel like, nor be in a position to do so later. If you can, in high school try asking your counselor for shadowing opportunities. Even if they don't officially offer something, they'll often be so excited about your being such a self-starter, that they'll go ahead and set it up for you as a special accommodation. Don't underestimate going where you're paid more, either; full/partial scholarships are indicative of the school taking a chance on YOU, and investing in YOU, as opposed to YOU having to do vice versa toward THEM through loans (the feeling of getting out of college free of loans is indescribable - I wish I'd had the chance to do it) - take advantage of them, wherever possible, and make sure you seek out professional organizations for networking opportunities. Keep up with those you went to class with, too, for Graduate classes, especially, since they're usually already working in professional organizations and can help you get your foot in the door sometimes. Others have made mention of race being a constant problem when it comes to pay, and yes indeed, that's true, but at least you sort of buffer that to some degree, depending on your major and job choice, as if you apply for a job that's six figures, even if you're receiving the minimum of that, six figures is better than 4 or 5, until you can do better. If you ever get to the point where you'd like to get into self-contracted Consulting, as well, remember the words of: come up with a price you feel you're worth, and double it. Work down from higher; never, ever give them the chance to pay you less than you're worth.
I don’t think your major has anything to do with it, but your race and having a higher education in a society where people cannot get passed the color of your skin does. Statistically people of color make less even with a higher education.
Reginald R missing the point it's not so much about the major as it is that most Caucasians are intimidated that we have a higher education. We are not choosing any different degrees that most other ethnicities. Read beyond the title of the segment, just look what is going on with our culture now. A terrorist is taken into custody without incident after killing people buy yet we get pulled over during a traffic stop and never make it home.
CaramelCurls 15 , you cant get a STEM job unless you have the right major. You're feelings on the matter incorrect and send a false message to young people who don't think there major will effect their income potential. STEM majors make tons of money. The free market dictates this.
Regardless of your higher education race will always play a role in if you are hired and if you get equal pay in America. Majority of the time Black applicants will be low balled even if you have a Masters degree. You have to fight for your worth in the job market. White human resources managers only see color not your education level.
KVS There is documented discrimination in hiring. Now hiring managers can look at your LinkedIn picture, they don’t have to bring you in to say “you’re not the right fit”.
Very true. I just experienced exactly that a few months ago and I have close to 10 yrs of industry experience in IT. But I'm so glad it happened because a BETTER opportunity came along.
Exposure is key. We can be leaders, managers, executives, principal owners, engineers, scientists, professors, designers, etc. If you don't have one in your family...parents, grandparents,aunties & uncles...there are so many professional groups with programming and information available to give our kids exposure to what's typically not put in front of their faces. Textbooks, generally, especially currently, won't show the possibilities available to us. Sometimes the road may be trying and difficult, but if we want to move forward, despite the systematic stronghold placed on us, we have to enlarge our expectations for ourselves.
Right we need more black girls and boys to get interested in STEM careers. Let’s start STEM programs in junior high schools and high schools in predominantly African American neighborhoods.
This is true. We don't tend to major in STEM fields. In my undergraduate class, at graduation (The Black graduation ceremony) only one received a math degree. I majored in psychology (we had about 3 of those, most were in communications) and now I'm working in the field. I went straight to graduate school and now have a masters. Love, Love the work but do want to earn more $$$! I have 2 children who love math and so will likely go into a STEM field. My son is majoring in architectural engineering in college now. He will probably make more that I do with a BS degree than I will with a doctorate.
6 years ago, I was the only graduating with my bachelor in applied mathematics at my school too. That’s why I decided to become a math teacher to encourage more black students to join STEM fields.
Papito Aman I never claimed all black people should open busniess all I said is start your own busniess if that's what u desire don't let anyone tell you, you can't start your own busniess with a mindset of working for people for the rest of your life that's all I'm sayin.
ppl keep talking about starting businesses. Do you have your own? do you have the financial capital? do you have a novel and viable business plan? I suggest you stop throwing it around like it was supposed to mean something groundbreaking.
but wait... we need black teachers and psychologicalists. The problem is paying ppl fairly not bunching all of blacks into the investment banking fields.
Let's not beat around the bush we all know there are certain majors and certain careers that are very difficult for black people to get into and that's probably why we tend to pick more Human Services jobs per se because if you become a physicist the likelihood of a company hiring a black physicist is very low and so we as blacks want to know that our hard work will result in a career that we can actually pursue and actually succeed in. Not that we couldn't succeed as a physicist but knowing that it's going to be challenging to actually get into a company that will allow us to pursue that career.
We should not bash them but educate them..... it is a good thing our numbers are going up. But let's not bash the social service jobs, they are just like the tech jobs but not on a dame computer i.e. FB, Twiiter, IF etc. SOCIAL media. I say we have done very well for a group of people who have oppressed for years. Yes we need to encourage more STEM!! I AGREE!
College is higher education, but not job education. My daughter would say she's going to college to get a job. No I'd say, your going to college to run your own business. While my son listen to the old man, went to trucking school at 21 and now at t age 27 has his second truck at 2100.00 a week and home every day. My daughter did 4yrs graduated run through 4 jobs got two babies then decided to have a career in nursing. After 60 thousand dollars of debt. She will never catch or surpass him. Just saying the abbreviation of the word job is( just over broke). Careers last forever.
Because Nigerians Americans go into career oriented bachelor degree programs engineering, pre med, pharmacy, nursing , accounting/finance, computer science.
It all boils down to capitalism, which starts the next generation off where the last generation left off and if you're black that leaves you with very little to start of with. On the other hand white people start out with at least 87% of what they need to succeed. So it's more about what is left to you than what college or what major you choose. The way things look now, is that this problem will continue, and black people will not build any wealth in this country. A career will not gain you wealth, the only way to build wealth is to open and run businesses, look i have nothing against education, i mean we have some of the most well educated people in the world but we still can not accumulate any wealth, why? We have to stop trading education for liberation. I think group wealth will set us free, free from begging white people for what we need, free from settling for crumbs when we can have the whole cake.
9:08 It’s good to have a job in mind, which change after coursework, internships, or informational interviews. Develop you and know YOUR SKILLS! Learn how to write an effective resume, network, practice interviewing skills!!! This is where college graduates are missing the mark!
By the way, many businesses used to have apprenticeship programs that went away because of high taxes. Our own government is killing skilled labor with over taxation. Those used to help minorities get skilled and through on the job training. With out of control taxation, they wen away. So stop talking about socialism and taxing businesses if you want jobs! Corporate America owns the government and loves the tax system. Force them to educate for the tax breaks instead of just making money. They don't give a damn about anything but their bottom line. Don't you think they can help educate? Of course they can! They did up until the 70s.
So we were able to have internships and apprenticeships decades ago when taxes were 40-60% but companies can't do it now with taxes at their lowest level in American history? Something seems off.
I hate that Economics or Agriculture are NEVER mentioned. What about Finance and accounting, plenty of these majors are filled with African Americans. I am one of them, my undergrad is in Political/ Social Science and my Master's is in Ag Econ. Some people just don't fit in the hard science group- however there are applied math and science majors that would be just as interesting and earn just as much.
I’m not good at math or science nor am I interested in it, I’m going for my masters in social work. Y’all may shame me for that but I know what I want and unlike some of y’all I understand that if you’re willing to do whatever it takes to work in your degree field you’ll work it out. STEM majors don’t even guarantee success. You have to want the job more then the next person. You’re gonna have to compete regardless. Now I may go back for a trade or something but I’m not gonna be stuck doing something that I’m not interested in. But I currently don’t even have to work so I’m covered either way. Go to school for what YOU want to go for but make sure you’re super determined especially if it’s in a field ppl say you’ll fail in.
You’re arguing to convince yourself. The rest of us learned to enjoy mathematics and science and earn high wages, with multiple job offers lined up. Again, you’re arguing to persuade yourself. Not us. Yourself. Think about that.
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Let's face it. People get these "feel good" and worthless degrees because they are trying to avoid math theorems.
My dumbass studied sociology for my first degree. It was fun and interesting but useless. I didn't even feel like I was qualified to work any job of substance when I was done. Having realised my stupidity, I went back school to earn a second bachelor's and I will have my MBA in less than a year. I feel much more prepared to enter the labour market now and I also feel as if I have finally acquired valuable knowledge and skills that I can use to maximise my future earnings. Please talk to your kids so they don't waste time like many of us, make sure they are thinking critically ....I been in this almost 10 years strong smh
Lol @ your name
I applaud you for being able to actually admit that mistake. Too many of us don't think about how our degrees will be used before getting them.
I majored in political science with a concentration in international relations and minored in applied computing-management information systems. After graduation, I moved to California and worked for a small cafe to support myself. My ultimate goal was/still is to go to law school, graduate with high honors, pass the California bar exam, and work as an attorney and ultimately become a senior partner at a large law firm in San Francisco, specializing in bankruptcy and creditors' rights.
pound4pound, I want to be a federal bankruptcy judge.
Annettel Lathan, I am studying for the Law School Admission Test (LSAT), which I am taking in December. I am working part-time as a dishwasher for a small cafe here in San Francisco, and I am also interning with a legal aid clinic here in San Francisco.
You went for the education not the money. Nothing dumb about that. However with how expensive school is it sucks.
I wasted 2 years in psychology. Now im going back in computer engineering.
I am heading to industrial engineering myself. Engineering degrees are hard, but there's many black people and people in general making very good money with a ton of career opportunities
Saturated industry
@@JohnJohn-xs5ru saturated but still making double if not triple, if not quadruple the majors blacks typically get cajoled into
They are ALWAYS promoting GO TO COLLEGE.... But don't instruct them to go to high paying careers.
cholli4141 so now you have to be told to go for high paying degrees...... because it’s not obvious enough ..... ?
cholli4141 Exactly
@@lionitist No...not that but one needs to examine the statistics first, then make an inference. How many do apply and are rejected, without explanation, except for it being said to be highly competitive? How many do apply to the high paying degrees but are shunted to an ' alternative '? Are criminology, psychology, business for black males on full athletic scholarships the only or most likely type of degree programme?
Roger Porther well statistically there is a huge crime culture in the black community, which leads to reasons why a certain individual might be overlooked, I know let’s end of racism by enforcing racism.... at least that was the purpose of affirmative action..... using racism to end racism... crazy right?
I am not a supporter of affirmative action. Again, use statistics and logic ( mathematics topics ) in coming to an inference. We use code to instruct computers to do this. By the numbers one can infer that the higher ranked US tertiary system does shunt African American applicants to degree programmes that ultimately attract a lower payscale according to industry rates 5 - 10 years after graduating. To also suggest that there is a negative bias in application selection because of geographical criminal statistics ( again highly convoluted and entirely another subject ) is a skewed perspective. Does an application form ask if an applicant ever had a criminal record? Been arrested? Had to appear before a judge in court? An application ought to be based on the SAT/ACT scores, the essay, the school transcript and the activities the person is and was in.
Black people with stem degrees have the highest unemployment rate in the tech industry. They also get overlooked for Indians immigrants with h1-b visas. The problem isn't that blacks need to get more stem degrees we need a pipeline that guarantees us jobs after we receive the degree.
Ibrahim Tanner I read about a black STEM graduate working at Barnes & Nobles because he couldn’t get a job. It no wonder, the tech companies are white and Asians.
Where are the success black business that black graduates can look forward to working for? The black Facebook, black Twitter, black Google...type of companies?
There is documented discrimination in hiring.
Now hiring managers can look at your LinkedIn picture, they don’t have to bring you in to say “you’re not the right fit”.
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@monier naga speaking on “weak quals”: …This is what inherited wealth looks like for the top 20%,” Reeves said. “You don’t save your money and give it to your kids as a bequest. You spend it on your kids so they don’t need the bequest. It’s an upfront investment.”
But as universities tilt their admissions toward the wealthy, Reeves said, they aren’t just leaving talented low-income students behind. They’re also lifting mediocre rich students up. A 2005 study found that wealthy middle-schoolers with the lowest standardized test scores were more likely to graduate from college than poor middle-schoolers with the highest scores. Students with average SAT results are nearly six times more likely to be admitted to top-tier universities if their parents are alumni. One of Reeves’ studies found that 43% of the members of upper-class households had skills and intelligence that predicted lower incomes
The 'Glass Floor' Is Keeping America's Richest Idiots At The Top - HuffPost
“Black Harvard grads get the same rate of job callbacks as white state graduates”
“White high school drop outs get same job offers as black college students”
“African American with college degrees twice as likely to be unemployed as all other college graduates”
Anti-black discrimination of equally qualified candidates is the same today as it was in 1989. It has not improved even 1% in 20 years”
@monier naga black culture?
Believing that black culture is primarily at fault means believing that black cultural attitudes are why the black unemployment rate has always been at least 50 percent higher than white unemployment. It likely means assuming that vague, hard-to-identify and complex cultural attitudes are responsible for most of the things on this bulleted list: flat wages, higher rates of arrest for possession of marijuana, higher rates of incarceration, a greater likelihood of being arrested at school, a lower likelihood of being accepted to top-tier colleges. When The Wire noted that black preschoolers are more likely to be expelled from their preschool programs, multiple people wrote in to blame the black culture of single parenthood. It was blamed on black culture.
Is black culture why this 2003 study found that job applicants "with white-sounding names are 50 percent more likely to get called for an initial interview than applicants with African-American-sounding names"? American history demonstrates countless examples of racist obstruction of black economic success. Ongoing examples show countless ways in which black Americans are still obstructed in the same way.
Is this so impossible to imagine? America was born with sin and keeps sinning. No matter how fervent your belief in the perfection of the American ideal, you've certainly met enough Americans to know that the ideal may not always be met. Racism is the simplest answer and racism, of all theories, is the one with a robust evidentiary trail.
@monier naga affirmative action?
Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone
The numbers prove it: After two decades of affirmative action, it was white women who held the majority of managerial jobs, compared to African American, Latino, and Asian American women (the supposed beneficiaries of these policies). Across the board, affirmative action helped women obtain success in the labor market. Today, women are more educated and successful in the workforce than ever before, while married women are taking over as household breadwinners.
Most black women go to school for social work ? And they wonder why there pay is low .
"As a teacher at a STEM high school, I've had the privilege of inspiring young minds with my background in applied mathematics and math education. As I prepare to pursue my doctorate, I've noticed a concerning trend - even our African American students in STEM schools often opt for non-STEM majors in college, prioritizing quicker and easier paths. However, I firmly believe that we must empower our youth to pursue STEM fields to secure high-paying career opportunities. If we promoted education, particularly STEM education, with the same enthusiasm and dedication we reserve for sports and entertainment, we would be unstoppable. It's crucial that we encourage and support our African American students to embrace STEM majors, unlocking their full potential and shaping a brighter future."
Choosing a major is more than the potential income you can make. Students have to make sure a major is align with their interests, personality, values and skills. All students don’t have the aptitude for STEM and fail out of college trying to pass math & science classes. Also, employers don’t care what your bachelors degree is in, except for pre-professional degrees. Employers want to know if you have skills. Students DON’T KNOW HOW TO ARTICULATE THE SKILS THEY GAINED IN COLLEGE!!!!! They also don’t do internships or research possible job titles. If you’re college student or alum and is having a tough time with the job search, VISIT YOUR SCHOOL’S CAREER SERVICES.
Papito Aman I 100% agree with you & was saying this to a friend! I'm also considering med or PA school! I've definitely had my share of tutoring & have earned a 4.0 as an undergrad (graduate in May 2017). I have ALOT of people saying not to go into PA or med school, be a nurse. While nursing is not a bad career I feel white ppl are still trying to be the majority in the PA & Med career. In fact, I just read that only 6.7 % of blacks are accounted in medince (MD) vs 53% of white MD. Dentistry is also the same 6%. We need to advocate for more black men & women to go into Med, PA, & Dental school also!!!
Papito Aman First of all, you lack critical thinking skills. I never said black students wasn’t smarter. I have black, Asian, & Latino students who are good in math & science and they pursue STEM careers and some don’t because they don’t like any STEM CAREERS. And it’s also vice versa, i have students of all ethnicities that only choose STEM careers bc of the money and math & science is not their strongest subject. These students suffer mentally, emotionally, physically, & FINANCIALLY (Kanye said it best, “ “They teach is to hate ourselves and love their wealth”) just for the possibility of making more money in a career I guarantee they won’t like. Where others choose what they love and have job satisfaction and success, and the earning potential over time.
I’m a trained, licensed, & certified black career professional and trust me, the message in this video is not straightforward. I work with many black career professionals who would also disagree.
Papito Aman Stay in school and develop your critical thinking skills because I stated all in reference to the argument and suggestion that black students should pursue STEM when some don’t do well in math and science. Also, Asians are good at math and science is a stereotype. I work with Asian students who are suffering from depression & anxiety because of this cultural expectation and some of them are not good in math & science or either hate it.
Papito Aman Parts of your second argument is also incorrect. Do your research!!!
Also, students don’t the income or salary amount they would need to support their lifestyle. Students who focus on income when asked what type of salary is needed to support their lifestyle say “ I don’t know, a whole of money.” I would not hire any college graduate who could not articulate their salary needs because it demonstrates a lack of critical thinking, quantitative, analytical, and research skills.
My embarrassment happened once when I got all over our Engineering manager because of the 19 openings, he only hired one black person. He explained that they could not find any black applicants and the few two they did find were taken up by the big oil companies. He assured me if I could find them he would hire them, but even I could not find them.
Great discussion for today as well!!
Go to Indeed & search for jobs that want to hire “LCMHC” Licensed Clinical Mental Health Counselors.
Those careers pay $53-$150 AN HOUR and you will have to earn a Master’s degree and obtain licensure.
Counseling/Therapy is in the social services field (not S.T.E.M.)
I'm in automotive training. Planning to one day open up my own shop. At my school I can count the amount of black people here on one hand. Even when I'm watching automotive vids on RUclips. There's barely any black people in the Automotive industry.
Ludens , Great! Keep your head up do NOT let anyone stop you from going after your goals and dream, never give up, stay late and show up early, ask questions of every one that can give you information, ask as many questions as possible, you are on the right track! Peace & Blessings
Blacks are told to go for PASSION.... Not PAPER!!!!
Not realizing you can do the passion after you get the paper!
Pretty Flacko EXACTLY!!
We as blacks in this country have to stop listening to the lie of 'college for everyone!' Trade schools (blue collar) earns much more than many of the Humanities classes is pushed by many. K-12 is also horrible for many black because of the poor education. Sorry Roland, it's not slavery, it's bad advice and lack of nuclear households. Better guidance, not excuses! I was fortunate that my mom pushed education for all of her children. We went into fields that pays well. Stop the victim mentality, attitudes of laziness, having children too early and without marriage, and staying in school and you will see a DRASTIC rise in our success! Even before the 1960s blacks were out earning whites. What happened after the 60s? Social programs that killed the drive in blacks. And that's a fact!!!!
I would like to see a lot more African American parents getting involved in their children’s educational planning and helping students o Start STEM programs for African American students in predominantly African American neighborhoods will help junior high school and high school students be interested in STEM careers.
Stem just took off in the last 10 years. Then your told to do what you like. Then your told to go get that money. Then your told to live your life the way you want to. Then your told to do what I say.
Which one is it dammit? Where are the high school counselors? How can you expect a 17 y.o. child to know the significance of those fields?
However im hearing and seeing Engineering promoted much more in our communities. My 11 y.o. son has studied s.t.e.m fields since 1st grade. I told him he will be an engineer. Rather its in computer engineering or mechanical engineering thats what he will do. He can take up Political science and history in his spare time.
@Chandra Gupta Children not buying those sneakers and weaves your talking about adults. Fashion is not taking away from education and life choices.
@Chandra Gupta My child Was in STEM Over 13 years ago. You do know this post is from 3 years ago. The ignorant one is you. I said take off not it started 10 years ago either. Did any of your children go to a stem school?
what about trade schools Plumbing, electrician, and heating air condition Etc are these jobs outdated.
Rickey Edwards --- we need those as well. If you're not doing a high paying major you best pursue a trade. You can easily transition a trade into a business. Good stuff.
They pay well but are very competitive.
Very competitive industries.
American Patriot I agree with you 100%.
Hell no they are in high demand.
Here we go with slavery. I'm gone.
Simply put they go to school for what they can afford and are never encouraged to own businesses of their own.
Everybody doesn't have he vision to own their own business.
3:14 We need to ADVOCATE NOT SHAME, for higher salaries in the social services field because we work with the most vulnerable populations.
Dont go unless you are really skilled at it w/e it is Its an uphill battle.
Its weird being one of the few african american engineers everywhere I work.
Too many of us go to college just to go. We've been held down so long, just goin is too often seen as an accomplishment all by itself.
There has to be a more comprehensive conversation around college in our community.
+annettel Lathan I wouldn't say stupid, just misinformed.
Everyone in our community needs to view college as preparation for a career. If your career doesn't need a degree, then you can choose not to go to college at all
i wouldn't say they're stupid. Most go just because they feel like they will get looked down on if they dont.
Ask Me true!
100%. And today its not just about going to school. The world moves so quickly that by the time a lot of people get out of school, their skill level for the available jobs are inadequate.
Which is why, the more internships, co-ops, ect that you can get while in college the better. We should be putting in the same effort to get those the way to do for scholarships and grades.
High GPAs are great, but these employers want to know what skills do you have.
Absolutely
Well, most of the students are still first generation college students, so they don’t receive good guidance or counseling from their mothers or the school system they graduated from.
The students are picking majors by perceived difficulty of the field of study. Children who have professional parents mayor in high earning career paths.
Also, who really conducts career guidance in public schools that reside in urban communities? Information is free and readily available.
Why do Asians. Indians and Africans major in high earning field of study and we don’t as a collective?
Based on these comments, it’s evident and research shows, people lack career development. I can’t believe Roland Martin would record this video with a white researcher from Georgetown versus interviewing black career professionals at Black predominantly schools who can speak accurately and interpret these research results.
FYI: Also, black students are exploited in higher education research because we are a minority with a history of educational barriers. Doctoral students find it easy to research us, get their PhD and accolades, and some DON’T DO ANYTHING PROFESSIONALLY TO HELP BLACK STUDENTS.
@kirwi we know you're white.
So true. Please, please, PLEASE keep an eye out on your estimated wage information. Majored in Lib Arts for my Undergrad, as well, but thankfully saved things with a Master's degree that's applicable. Look at the image at the beginning of the video - the left most column is Architecture and Engineering, but even those of us attracted to soft sciences, etc. as opposed to STEM can do very well in IT/data-related "softies" like HCI, GIS, etc. or language-related courses (interpreter/translation jobs very pay well, especially in much needed languages, etc).
Also, for those not taking well to hard sciences, consider trying your hand at the likes of coding, etc anyway. You might find yourself liking it (and liking the idea of something centered in IT like networking, etc). But above all else, if you still plan to major in a liberal arts program, double/dual major in something else in what's consider the normally higher paying majors, with it. Get it done all at once, as you might not feel like, nor be in a position to do so later.
If you can, in high school try asking your counselor for shadowing opportunities. Even if they don't officially offer something, they'll often be so excited about your being such a self-starter, that they'll go ahead and set it up for you as a special accommodation. Don't underestimate going where you're paid more, either; full/partial scholarships are indicative of the school taking a chance on YOU, and investing in YOU, as opposed to YOU having to do vice versa toward THEM through loans (the feeling of getting out of college free of loans is indescribable - I wish I'd had the chance to do it) - take advantage of them, wherever possible, and make sure you seek out professional organizations for networking opportunities. Keep up with those you went to class with, too, for Graduate classes, especially, since they're usually already working in professional organizations and can help you get your foot in the door sometimes.
Others have made mention of race being a constant problem when it comes to pay, and yes indeed, that's true, but at least you sort of buffer that to some degree, depending on your major and job choice, as if you apply for a job that's six figures, even if you're receiving the minimum of that, six figures is better than 4 or 5, until you can do better. If you ever get to the point where you'd like to get into self-contracted Consulting, as well, remember the words of: come up with a price you feel you're worth, and double it. Work down from higher; never, ever give them the chance to pay you less than you're worth.
I don’t think your major has anything to do with it, but your race and having a higher education in a society where people cannot get passed the color of your skin does. Statistically people of color make less even with a higher education.
CaramelCurls 15 yup, doesn't matter if they don't pay you the same or even a job at all
FALSE. We as blacks have to stop going for degrees with no skill. Then get mad why we cant get a job
Treesus, but are ALL treated the same and is there the different rules for different people syndrome?
Reginald R missing the point it's not so much about the major as it is that most Caucasians are intimidated that we have a higher education. We are not choosing any different degrees that most other ethnicities. Read beyond the title of the segment, just look what is going on with our culture now. A terrorist is taken into custody without incident after killing people buy yet we get pulled over during a traffic stop and never make it home.
CaramelCurls 15 , you cant get a STEM job unless you have the right major. You're feelings on the matter incorrect and send a false message to young people who don't think there major will effect their income potential. STEM majors make tons of money. The free market dictates this.
Proud Of My Black Kings and Queens going To College
Darylifill Ifill.. So true..
Yeah but we are broke this definitely speaks about my situation.
Darylifill Ifill Im just glad THEY'RE GOING, they may go back for something else later
What about these paper tiger colleges , with the useless diploma
Regardless of your higher education race will always play a role in if you are hired and if you get equal pay in America. Majority of the time Black applicants will be low balled even if you have a Masters degree. You have to fight for your worth in the job market. White human resources managers only see color not your education level.
KVS There is documented discrimination in hiring.
Now hiring managers can look at your LinkedIn picture, they don’t have to bring you in to say “you’re not the right fit”.
Very true. I just experienced exactly that a few months ago and I have close to 10 yrs of industry experience in IT. But I'm so glad it happened because a BETTER opportunity came along.
Then research the salaries before taking the job. If unfair, you have the equal pay act and unfair labor laws in place.
Dna plays an important part in what you studies .so careful what you choose .
Exposure is key. We can be leaders, managers, executives, principal owners, engineers, scientists, professors, designers, etc. If you don't have one in your family...parents, grandparents,aunties & uncles...there are so many professional groups with programming and information available to give our kids exposure to what's typically not put in front of their faces. Textbooks, generally, especially currently, won't show the possibilities available to us. Sometimes the road may be trying and difficult, but if we want to move forward, despite the systematic stronghold placed on us, we have to enlarge our expectations for ourselves.
You can make 100k working in the trades, college is not required.
It’s not that these folks don’t want to study STEM it’s bc STEM major are hard
Better schools is needed for the black community.
STEM STEM STEM or TRADES.
Right we need more black girls and boys to get interested in STEM careers. Let’s start STEM programs in junior high schools and high schools in predominantly African American neighborhoods.
Thank you for addressing this!!!!
This is true. We don't tend to major in STEM fields. In my undergraduate class, at graduation (The Black graduation ceremony) only one received a math degree. I majored in psychology (we had about 3 of those, most were in communications) and now I'm working in the field. I went straight to graduate school and now have a masters. Love, Love the work but do want to earn more $$$! I have 2 children who love math and so will likely go into a STEM field. My son is majoring in architectural engineering in college now. He will probably make more that I do with a BS degree than I will with a doctorate.
6 years ago, I was the only graduating with my bachelor in applied mathematics at my school too. That’s why I decided to become a math teacher to encourage more black students to join STEM fields.
How about starting your own busniess so you ain't gotta work for someone.
Chijioke Onuoha True
Papito Aman I never claimed all black people should open busniess all I said is start your own busniess if that's what u desire don't let anyone tell you, you can't start your own busniess with a mindset of working for people for the rest of your life that's all I'm sayin.
ppl keep talking about starting businesses. Do you have your own? do you have the financial capital? do you have a novel and viable business plan? I suggest you stop throwing it around like it was supposed to mean something groundbreaking.
You need to develop a skill set in something (or multiple things) before you just go start a business though.
Technews appricate it I'm just throwing it out man and people
Getting all worked up lol.
4:39 The only accurate information in this video is to seek CAREER COUNSELING!!!!
Why does the tittle say “More blacks”😂😂
but wait... we need black teachers and psychologicalists. The problem is paying ppl fairly not bunching all of blacks into the investment banking fields.
Can’t blame on racism there
Hmm, do your research.
@@JohnJohn-xs5ru I did and can’t blame on racism there.
@@yamama3089 one can always blame anything on racism
Let's not beat around the bush we all know there are certain majors and certain careers that are very difficult for black people to get into and that's probably why we tend to pick more Human Services jobs per se because if you become a physicist the likelihood of a company hiring a black physicist is very low and so we as blacks want to know that our hard work will result in a career that we can actually pursue and actually succeed in. Not that we couldn't succeed as a physicist but knowing that it's going to be challenging to actually get into a company that will allow us to pursue that career.
What about Engineering, Trades, IT etc.. Its tough but there is high demand for such, much more so than those saturated fields.
These STEM offer more opportunities.
Please use a comma, I feel like I’m reading the internal monologue of a middle schooler.
Don’t take career development advice from everyone, seek help for trained and certified career professionals!
Smh...Majors & careers are not linear!
#ForTheCulture Excellent point!!!!! Majors and careers are not linear!!
They’re Afraid of math.
Must take the hard classes. STEM all the way.
1:39 False! There are many career assessments like the FOCUS2, STRONG INTEREST INVENTORY, & MBTI the college edition.
We should not bash them but educate them..... it is a good thing our numbers are going up.
But let's not bash the social service jobs, they are just like the tech jobs but not on a dame computer i.e. FB, Twiiter, IF etc. SOCIAL media. I say we have done very well for a group of people who have oppressed for years. Yes we need to encourage more STEM!! I AGREE!
College is higher education, but not job education. My daughter would say she's going to college to get a job. No I'd say, your going to college to run your own business. While my son listen to the old man, went to trucking school at 21 and now at t age 27 has his second truck at 2100.00 a week and home every day. My daughter did 4yrs graduated run through 4 jobs got two babies then decided to have a career in nursing. After 60 thousand dollars of debt. She will never catch or surpass him. Just saying the abbreviation of the word job is( just over broke). Careers last forever.
Then why are Nigerian Americans are one of the highest earners of income?
Because Nigerians Americans go into career oriented bachelor degree programs engineering, pre med, pharmacy, nursing , accounting/finance, computer science.
Complain when they don't go complain when they do go
Monique Hill.. Who is they?
Monique Hill lol 😂 exactly
Moon Starz take a guess pumpkin
It all boils down to capitalism, which starts the next generation off where the last generation left off and if you're black that leaves you with very little to start of with. On the other hand white people start out with at least 87% of what they need to succeed. So it's more about what is left to you than what college or what major you choose. The way things look now, is that this problem will continue, and black people will not build any wealth in this country. A career will not gain you wealth, the only way to build wealth is to open and run businesses, look i have nothing against education, i mean we have some of the most well educated people in the world but we still can not accumulate any wealth, why? We have to stop trading education for liberation. I think group wealth will set us free, free from begging white people for what we need, free from settling for crumbs when we can have the whole cake.
9:08 It’s good to have a job in mind, which change after coursework, internships, or informational interviews. Develop you and know YOUR SKILLS! Learn how to write an effective resume, network, practice interviewing skills!!! This is where college graduates are missing the mark!
By the way, many businesses used to have apprenticeship programs that went away because of high taxes. Our own government is killing skilled labor with over taxation. Those used to help minorities get skilled and through on the job training. With out of control taxation, they wen away. So stop talking about socialism and taxing businesses if you want jobs! Corporate America owns the government and loves the tax system. Force them to educate for the tax breaks instead of just making money. They don't give a damn about anything but their bottom line. Don't you think they can help educate? Of course they can! They did up until the 70s.
So we were able to have internships and apprenticeships decades ago when taxes were 40-60% but companies can't do it now with taxes at their lowest level in American history? Something seems off.
Hey start your own business for less than 200.00 for the business licensing and llc. Take your knowledge and empower yourself
I hate that Economics or Agriculture are NEVER mentioned. What about Finance and accounting, plenty of these majors are filled with African Americans. I am one of them, my undergrad is in Political/ Social Science and my Master's is in Ag Econ. Some people just don't fit in the hard science group- however there are applied math and science majors that would be just as interesting and earn just as much.
@Chandra Gupta yawns* oh hi, you’re late to the party. Well, be easy.
I’m not good at math or science nor am I interested in it, I’m going for my masters in social work. Y’all may shame me for that but I know what I want and unlike some of y’all I understand that if you’re willing to do whatever it takes to work in your degree field you’ll work it out. STEM majors don’t even guarantee success. You have to want the job more then the next person. You’re gonna have to compete regardless. Now I may go back for a trade or something but I’m not gonna be stuck doing something that I’m not interested in. But I currently don’t even have to work so I’m covered either way. Go to school for what YOU want to go for but make sure you’re super determined especially if it’s in a field ppl say you’ll fail in.
You’re arguing to convince yourself. The rest of us learned to enjoy mathematics and science and earn high wages, with multiple job offers lined up.
Again, you’re arguing to persuade yourself. Not us. Yourself. Think about that.
Oh look.... not taking responsibility again ..... rain is wet, moving on
lionitist GTFOH
THAT WOULD BE ME
Nobody cares.
Your major matters.
THEY ARE PASSED BY AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
I have two nieces who majored in PHARMACY AND ARCHITECTURE.
They make good money.
College degrees is for the service industry.hard work and education doesn't equal success for us.
Quite Clearly the Host of This Analysis explained and Pinpointed a very Crucial Element of The Long Standing Reality of The Black Condition.Unfortunately,the Panel what did any of them Distinguish? The god could delve deeper but would this make any difference? Yes,I am The god of The Air!