RETURN OF VULKAN! RELATIONSHIP WITH GUILLIMAN & FEUD WITH MAGNUS?
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- Hi all Rho here! Today we discuss the what if return of Vulkan, his relationship with Lord Commander Guilliman, and the possible revenge of Magnus the Red!
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It's so fitting that out of all the primarchs, Vulkan managed to avoid having his legion split up because he just... asked nicely.
Unfortunately their numbers were low due to Istvaan.
He had like 80-90% of his legion massacred he had i think 11k or 18k marines left not sure
@@goldenseal640 not only that, the salamanders gene seed has some of the highest rejection rates, probably due to the radiation from nocturne's star damaging it over the years.
Is that seariously canon?
@@joshvonbosch there was an old chart that showed all the loyalist chapters geneseed mutation rate and the salamanders ironically had the highest at 90%, since it has been proven that nocturne star does damage the Melanchromic organ changing their skin to an ebony black since the orginal terran recruits did not have the ebony skin tone and only turned after being exposed to nocturne star. This is also probably why they have never been able to officially sire a successor chapter as they don't generate as much geneseed as the other chapters. It can therefore be inferred that nocturne star has been degrading the geneseed for millennium.
I think Vulkan is the primarch that Guilliman needs most atm. wouldn't go off on his own like Russ or Jaghatai, wouldn't argue against Guilliman being Lord Commander like the Lion or Corax would. A good commander but also a brother. just don't throw yourself in the ork hole again!
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Vulkan may be upset at Gmans acceptance of the current state of the imperium.
I would love Vulkan would return next, not only because if half way finished my Salamanders and so I can run him next to his bro Girlyman, but because he's my second favorite Primarch
I think Dorn would be the one G-man needs the most, but Vulkan is definitely a close second.
(still rooting for Clonegrim, though)
@@wonderfred I don’t think he would honestly. Because it’s a similar state to how he found the imperium during the war of the beast. He’d know that Guilliman trying to upset things with the high lords with the imperium in the state it’s in would simply destroy the empire. Which is the same reason he didn’t kill them last time. He might not like what the imperium has become, but he’s no fool. He knows trying to change things too quickly would just destroy it all.
Corax wasn’t against gman being lc or against the codex
Vulcan will just give his brother a "I'm not mad at you for ruining everything forever" hug
That was LORGAR GODS DAMMIT
Yes.
Guilliman didn’t cause the heresy, he saved the imperium from it. It’s a shame the emperor threw it away at the end and doomed the imperium anyway :/
I'm quite puzzled on why Imperium Secundus is such an issue, a sword hanging over Guilliman's head. It has been overblown tbh.. The Lion was in on it and the one and only Sanguinius was in on it. Guilliman had good intentions we can agree with that. Hell even Rogal Dorn would get over it..... eventually :))
It has more to do with the current imperium and the ecclesiarchy, cult of the emperor and all that. I mean think about the foreshadowing GW has done recently revolving around imperium secundes, i.e. nihilis. The board is set exactly the same as it was in 30k with dark angels, blood angels and ultramarine. Guilliman, Dante, the lion, all assembling again, sanguinius or should I say Dante being named commander of nihilis just like secundus. There's also the nurgle demon in guillimans library that gave the book about imperium secundus to Matthew in hopes of starting up the fire. There's much more, but yeah gw is setting the stage in a mirror of events in 30k. The lion will be here soon, Mark my words.
@@serbronnoftheblackwater798 here is something else to think about, when the lion returns you will have one of two outcomes 1. The lion goes balls to the walls and takes on the church or 2. Him and guilliman will have it out come to terms and then go balls to the walls on everyone that's a threat to the imperium. Indomitus crusade 2 electric Boogaloo. 😆
My thoughts as well, the Lion had agreed to the plan & since our beloved Hawk Jesus died as well as himself it would be beyond forced, or a twist. It would be stupid lol
He was doing what he was designed to do.
Cuz of the cult like behavior of current imperium. In a logical imperium like the one he left it wouldn’t have been a big deal beyond his brothers getting a little suspicious of him, which could be smoothed out with them thinking about the logic of it. But in the current imperium’s mentality it would be a heretical act of betrayal on par with Horus.
Do you think whole imperium secundus controversy might help bring the lion and robute closer together under the scrutiny of both being so involved in it?
Possibly. But given everything else that would put them at odds it’s questionable if that would be enough.
Considering what Vulkan almost did to the high lords of terra during the war of the beast? Stomp stomp those power mongers into a fine paste on his boots.
Make a little high lord wine
Guilliman and Vulkans reunion would be pretty good.
Vulkan: "Rob! I missed you" **M A S S I V E H U G**
Guilliman: "Ugh! Stop! We talked abou- enough! Brother!" *Struggles to escape*
Vulkan: "Love you Gilly Billy!" **HUGS INTENSIFY**
Guilliman: "Brother, my men are watching! Do not refer to me as-" *Power armour creaking* "OK _I love you too_ "
To be fair to Guilliman, Vulkan can't say a thing about Imperium Secundus being a back up plan, when he was given the task of blowing up Terra as a back up plan.
I would love to have Vulkan return since Guilliman could use the kinship. I think the Lion will come back first to help face down Angron. Vulkan will return after that to smooth out the relationship between the Lion and Guilliman to face off against an even bigger threat that would require all three of them to fight together flawlessly to survive. Like a three on three Primarch vs Daemon Primarch fight.
I would kill for Trazyn the Infinite to release Clone Fulgrim to save the day.
Fucking good point!
A 3 on 3 would be beyond awesome, especially if it means something like the end of Abaddon vs dante possesed by the great angel, and the Lion and G against other two, or the permadeath of a traitor primarch
@@Dreadbringer the permadeath of Daemon Fulgrim at the hands of Clone Fulgrim would be awesome on many levels.
@@askashikcould be an awesome redemtion arc if properly handed.
You'll need to get the Soul part from the Rape-Snake if you want a true Prime-arch... otherwise it's just a mere clone, just like Not-Horus.
Vulkan: Brother! *hugs Guilliman*
Guilliman: *awkwadly hugs back*
Ivraynne: TvT
Why is Vulkan hugging himself, and what is the relevance of Yvraine?
@@Derploop lol, wrote that in haste XD. Sorry
The cutscenes in Destiny's Final Shape between Zavala and Cayde hugging comes to mind.
"VULKAN LIVES" Stomp Stomp
Corvus Corax: DAMMIT!
Personally i think hes the best choice to bring backm just his character alone could take the narrative in so many refreshing ways
Personally I think when he returns one of the things gilliman and I'm sure there would be a touching reunion but I think one of the responsibilities he would give him is whenever another Primark returns he would have vulkan be the one to get them up to speed with everything that's been going on
I think the first thing he will do is putting Vulkan in charge of supervising Cawl. It has been shown many times that Gulliman doesn't trust Cawl but he has no way to figure out what Cawl is doing because he's not an engineering genius like Ferrus or Vulkan. And he doesn't like the idea of having to rely on someone he doesn't trust to maintain his war machines and running his primaris project. The security concerns is real and for someone who escaped assassination attempts on him twice and having his system security sabotaged by Konrad once, he can't help but to be paranoid.
I think it was Valrak that mentioned that Vulkan was last seen on Ullanor, now Armageddon and Angron was banished on Armageddon...interesting coincidence but it could be a good tie for Vulkan coming back🤞
Can you recall the video? Thank you for this information
@@ShurilVolari Hey, no sorry. I was was a while ago. I can't remember when exactly he mentioned it.
Wasn't Angron banished from Armageddon by the Space Wolves and Grey Knights though?
@@BM-wf9uf I think so, I'm not 100% up to date with the Lore.
Vulkan was fighting the Beast of Ullanor and there's something about making a titans core go nova. That's all I remember. I might be making things up, and filling the rest of the gaps with wishful thinking, lol.
@@al3817 Vulkan dueled The Beast and tackled it into massive waaggh generator releasing a huge amount of waaagghh energy. Because Vulkan is a Primarch he was able to absorb the energy and launched one final attack on The Beast. He smashed his hammer into its head and killed it but also destroyed the generator which caused the temple gargant to overload and explode.
That was the last time Vulkan was seen. He is a perpetual like the Emperor though, so he's alive somewhere in the galaxy...
Thinking on it I wouldn't be surprised if Dorn knows about Secundus as well. A lot of his sons were there when Guilliman, Lion and Sanguinius were running it, including Pollux. I don't see why they wouldn't tell him.
He think he does know. Or at least did know. But I think he, like the emperor and malcedor, knows that contingency plans like Secundus is just Guilliman’s way. And while he might see it as borderline heretical, he understands the intent behind it, and knows it was done with the best of intentions and that dissolving it once learning Terra still stands proved this.
Sanguinius being involved should be all any loyalist needs to lnow it was on the up and up.
That plus the fact that it was dissolved.
He's actually been back the entire time, he just doesn't want to deal with the Imperium so he's just chilling on some agrarian world
Vulky is chill, so long as the civvies aren't involved. Would Bobby G need someone who could, and has a record of, basically damage control? Yes. Someone without ambition? Yes. Someone that absolutely be the SWORD OF DAMOCLES over the High Lords? HELL YES
The high lords *REALLY* need a sword of Damocles…
I love all your lore dives. I also am like you and I love a physical copy which is why I have such a big library of Warhammer books and other books. Now it is just having the time to just sit and read all that I haven't read yet and rereading others
Thanks for these Vulkan stories, hitting up the black library for some of these books!
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I feel with Guilliman and Vulcan, If both together they could make an honest effort in recruiting Magnus.
Just finished reading The Hunt for Vulkan, so great timing. Pretty good read. Excited to get going on The Beast Must Die.
VULKAN Lives!
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Vulkan doesn't live, he never dies!
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Great job on Vulkan week Rho...we need a Carcharodons week...or at least Red Wake and Pale Nomad deep dives.
I can't wait to see the Salamanders get a line release like the Dark Angels. Long long overdue
I don't think it'll happen. I'm a salamanders player and I'd prefer not to get my hopes up haha. Just don't think there's enough of us out there for it to be worth the investment for gw.
@@willy.b.b3427 they bring back your Primarch you're gonna get a faction focus and specific release beyong generic marines... it's not an if... it's a when.
@@mattruecker5861 and hopefully new codex with new salamander focused units
@@thegiantcrow7416 i could see him closing out 10th ed. But the lion is coming first, then probably fulgrim
Man I'd love to see the return of our unique Firedrake terminators and a new Salamander only specialist unit that use flame of melta weapons.
Vulkan vs. Angron... let's go!
So, this is something I’m dreaming up, as I haven’t read any of these books, but listened to a bunch of Salamander lore (so Salamander bias) but I think it would be much more interesting to have it that Magnus isn’t angry with Vulkan, but playing with Magnus guilt, that he deserved what his brother did to him. I imagine there is still some brotherly love between them, and it become just a tragic tale of two brothers who would do anything to have each other back in there lives, but can’t. 40K thrives on rivalry, but I think a quiet sadness and regrets between parties can be just as grim dark. Besides, he already has the rivalry for Leman, so a new angle would be appreciated.
Magnus is absolutely angry with Vulkan. I mean there is lots of sadness involved, but when it comes to Vulkan I can't see Magnus feeling a lot of guilt. Vulkan tried to convince Magnus to give up the Thousand Sons and come back.
"'Please, brother,' said Vulkan, taking a step towards him. 'Come back to us.'
Magnus turned as he heard the clatter of legionary warplate, and the ratcheting of boltguns. Three warriors clad in the livery of the Salamanders Legion crested the summit of the great golden dais. Magnus felt their joy at seeing their gene-sire, but at first sight of the Emperor, they instinctively fell to their knees in adoration, all but overcome by His incredible presence.
Magnus turned back to Vulkan and said, 'Would you sacrifice them? Would you betray even *one* of them for your own desire?'
'I could not,' he said, his deep tones heavy with grief and his right hand sliding down to the warhammer Urdrakule at his belt.
Magnus felt the end of his staff transform, becoming a bladed spear-tip once more.
'Then why would you believe that I could?' he roared."
- Fury of Magnus, by Graham McNeill
During the fight that follows, Magnus 100% would have killed Vulkan if not for one of his sons "Look out, sir"ing him and giving Magnus a crisis of conscience.
@@peterlepper5199 Ah! A primary source! Very well, I concede you the point. Just wishful thinking I suppose.
@@Emrald7 Cheers! I am impressed by your ability to accept new information with grace.
There is definitely tragedy here, you're not wrong about that; but I think Magnus views Vulkan as a hypocrite, and he's had ten-thousand years to stew in that bitterness.
@@peterlepper5199I’m really new to the fandom, and the Salamanders really resonated with me as a faction, so I’ve dug in deep on there lore (what little there can be gleaned it feels sometimes) but I’m woefully ignorant of most of 40Ks stuff. Maybe you could help me with this question, was that really Magnus that came to Numeons aid in the Ruinstorm, or just an aspect of him? Or some other weird, early stuff? I’m trying to get correct!
@@Emrald7 It was Magnus, but the event that I quoted came after the Ruinstorm. At the time when Magnus appeared to help the Salamanders, he likely did still care about Vulkan.
I definitely understand where you're coming from, though. I was the same way, but with the Thousand Sons. It's only in the past couple years that I've started really branching out and digging into the rest of the Heresy lore.
Imperium Secundus sounds like a non issue to me.
G-man "Oh man I thought we were hosed so I setup a backup."
Anyone else "Makes sense to me."
The end
I think magnus would seek out vulkan but not for revenge
their sons might clash as part of campaign ..
Mag vs Vul being Guil VS mort for Vulcs return story is fckn awesome,what would it be called? Crimson Fire?
The other thing factoring into a Magnus vs. Vulkan fight is that Vulkan, if he is still a perpetual, is kind of immune to foresight, which Tzeench especially is big into. Tzeentch would want Vulkan taken out. At the same time, it's a strength for Vulkan in a fight against sorcerers, though Magnus himself seems to not favor it too much except for long term planning.
If Vulkan comes back I just wish for a simple conversation betwen him and Guilliman about if they will ever meet peace or are they just tools for war
My favorite primarch next to alpharius/omegon
I really hope Vulkan is the next to return Guilliman and the Imperium really need him. Robute really needs a brother he can lean on right now not one that will fight him at every turn.
Leman Russ could have also fulfilled this role and I personally think it Leman should have been the first primarch to return so he could become the leader the Imperium needs rather then hiding behind the persona of the barbarian king, although the last time he face this dilemma he basically ran off into the Eye of Terra.
now that the lion has returned, im starting to think that vulcan might be the one we need. His skills and knowledge might help them gain a tech edge and might help beat back he tyranids and chaos.
I'm one of the many who keeps up with 40k through YT, the video games, and an occassional (audio) book. Could someone please explain why Imperium Secundus is considered so horrible? Didn't Row-boo-te think all was lost? Wasn't he just trying to keep his father's dream alive? Are we expected to believe most would view this as an act of disloyalty even though he had incomplete info? It's Rho-bu-tay we're talking about, the dude is like Honor: The Person.. I have fallen in love with 40k over the last couple years and hope to eventuallly have my own army to play the TTG properly (not just video games, but I gotta admit video games scratch the itch pretty well), but sometimes the lore is a bit strange with the logic(not just this).
I dont see how primarchs could be angry about Secundus, Sanguinius was put on charge, and noone questions his loyalty.
That beginning with Vulkan and the high lords…
Now i absolutely THIRST for a guilliman/Vulkan reunion. The Emperor knows how bad guilliman NEEDS that kind of close kinship right there !
I think that's where Vulcan is legitimately the most important one that could return next because of his humanity he would be the one to realize that gilliman needs help with all the stresses under
you would think Guilliman would have heard of the war of the beast saga.... and sent agents to search for Vulkan, well, I at least I do...
Let’s go Vulkan lives!!!!! I want him back
I think guilliman and vulkan would hug, get some milkshakes, then catch up.
Reading the Beast series is painful. I wish you well, in that endeavor.
I have read and reread most of my books time and again. For example, I've read all the books in siege of terra at ,east 4 times already (save Selenar) and like Selenar I only read the beast once and will likely never read it again.
Also, I am currently reading book 7 as of last night's Kindle release.
Seeing as he's my favorite. I can't be very impartial. I just want him back on the scene.
Guilliman needs him
Perhaps I'm missing something in the lore or from a previous discussion, but why is the Imperium Segundus perceived as such a terrible thing. Why would primsrchs and the imperium at large consider it a dark mark, those who know surely realize it was literally what the emperor intended when he creates Gulliman, he operating exactly as he was designed?
It probably has something to do with how those not in the know would perceive it as it was a backup plan made by the emperor, and we all know how he likes to reveal his plans, so those people are now the ones in power and would probably see it as a slight against the emperors vision
Echos of Eternity has some more information on the relationship between Magnus and Vulcan... I don't want to spoil anything but there has been a "development" in their relationship.
I think if Vulkan came back, he would be upset about all the politics that Guilliman is engaged in, including his dealings with the church and xenos. If anything, Guilliman's greatest challenge would be getting Vulkan to agree with his current priority of stabilizing the Imperium rather than purging its rotten elements.
What about the other shards / pieces of Magnus
I think things would go rather well if Vulkan returned. And I agree that I think he’d want to cross the rift. I also think Guilliman would agree that him doing so was the best option, even tho it would mean he wouldn’t be seeing his brother as much. He’d know that having Vulkan on the other side to help Dante would be he best option.
For some reason I think of Vulkan on a distant planet living in solitude trying to gond some kinda peace. Think Thanos post snap. Except Vulkan is kinda in limbo because of the lost of his brothers,father and essentially humanity....just waiting on his father's call.
Vulkan is the best boy / primarch.
Vulkan would be one of the Prims that could return. Lion El Johnson is another. Possibly the Prime of the Legion of the Damned, one the forgotten?
I left out Leman Russ. He could come back from the warp with a company or mostly company of Wolfen...
Sanguinius wasn't crowned Emperor of Imperium Secundus, he was crowned Regent, the man who rules in the stead of the Emperor
Revengance of magnus
Vulcan lives
i wouldt think that vulkan wouldt kinda welcome the ecclesiarchy since hes legion is actually religioues or atleast spiritual
Vulkan ran out on the Imperium as far as I'm concerned. He could have stopped the "Ecclesiarchy" and greatly slowed or stopped the degradation of the Imperium.
It would be more accurate to say that Vulkan basically had a deathwish after the Horus Heresy and wanted a permanent death, which appears to have been granted by the Beast.
If you want to talk about Primarchs who ran away look no further then Leman Russ who chose to invade the Eye of Terror rather then becoming the leader the Imperium needed.
@@chaptermastermarneuscalgar6926Don't forget the Great Kahn as well.
The Reluctant General would make for some very interesting and complex character development and commentary.
With the Lion's return the legions we begin to reform. The Lion will ignore the codex Guilliman will aquecy because he looks up to the Lion. So even if Vulkan comes back it won't be before the Lion so any conversation about chapter or legion will be moot.
another defeat of magnus to continue ridiculing him? he lose vs Russ because luck or silent maidens, vulkan makes it mincemeat, fooled by lukas, defeated by bjorn, defeated by logan grimnar axe, eldar cheates him vs guilliman...
what else are they going to do to the poor? is he destined to lose in ridiculous ways always being second only to the emperor in psychic power?
Magnus suffering karma ^,^
Wait so if the Salamanders didn't split up wouldnt that make their numbers comparable to the 40k Space Wolves?
I don't think so, they were one of the shattered legions and ended up being decimated on Istvaan 5 (if I remember correctly).
I wish Vulkan would reappear
How the hell has Guilliman not heard about Vulkan and tried to locate him??? And why hasn't Vulkan heard that Guilliman is back and running the Imperium??? Flippin DAFT
VULKAN LIVES!!! * STOMP STOMP*
Please for the love of all that is holy, let our father Vulkan return to his sons. Please...
Perhaps Vulkan is just on some quiet uninhabited green world living a simple life due to needing to get away from all the war and suffering. Maybe he has been on this planet with one of the forgotten prime archs.
Magnus is a chaos spawn because he is a dirty grudge holding red boy
Too early for Vulcan to return
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Magnus needs a win. Honestly I think he's lost every 1v1 he's been in. A rematch with Vulcan with Magnus coming out on top would be great. If not a solid win then a very close tie
It ended to soon
Not sure why, but do you think the current Imperium are able to make thunder warriors, and do you think the Imperium will get desperate enough to bring back these warriors ?
I don't know why they had Vulkan and Magnus fight twice. Did they just have nothing for either of them to do.
And why would Vulkan go to Maccrag? He trusted G man.
Vulkan return would be cool but we already got him during that terrible series the War of the Beast. I would prefer Lion, Khan or Corax but if we get Vulkan I won't be angry.
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I wish wish wish it could be Vulkan that returned next to help Guilliman put the imperium back together but you know it's going to be the Lion 🦁.. especially after Angron comes back
Fuck the first... 😒
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In echoes of eternity vulkan kills magnus. He is banished
Is not convinced, Magnus and Vulkan looked at each other in sorrow but understanding of what both had to do. I am not convinced Magnus would hold a grudge and to be fair in that battle he went above and beyond his duel with Russ, brutalizing Vulkan beneath him and killing Salamanders left and right, Magnus had to know it was battle to the death and why later he was not taking vengeance on all related to Vulkan ergo Salamanders but turned Fenris system into an even worse hellhole.
Ok that title is a bit clickbaity
The whole Imperium Secundus thing is a plot thread that needs to just die. They want it to be some sort of shameful blunder by Guilliman, but the books make it pretty clear that traveling to Terra was *impossible* at the time. Literally every loyal primarch that heard of Imperium Secundus was on board with it, and Guilliman immediately abandoned the idea once he learned that Terra hadn’t fallen, just like he said he would. The writers have been trying and failing to make this seem like some sort of controversy for a decade now.
Holy shit you've been talking about Lion El'Johnson coming back for 3 years now and GW still hasn't done it. Why should I care about lore that the publisher obviously doesn't,?
Vulkan is da best
Marines malevolent
could you like NOT post click bait?
Click bait
So he’s more powerful than a primarch by being imbued with bits of another primarch. BS
I do enjoy his videos but his grammar needs work and really needs to stop pronouncing all his th words like they are spelt with f’s….
zzzzzzz oh somebody talking about vulkan? k ill go back to sleep. If only GW had the capacity to see what they have that's good and what they have that's lame and cliché. boring predictable characters get all the lore while some might as well never have existed. wh40k is a mess and needs new management.