As someone just starting out on home recording, I find I learn loads from Stick's videos and this is another great example. And thanks to Chris putting himself through this in the name of science (and marketing ;).
Great to here, cheers. The folks that come in and be part of them all really make the videos so make sure to check them out on FB and all the other bits out there. Paul / Stick
great comparison , very usefull to decide which to buy. I think the Pro and Space models cut more reverb reflection in the room but colour the singer voice boosting low mids at 200hz and 500hz result in sounding more boxy, while the X model works also as a diffusser making the vocals more flat without that boomy low mids. Cuts unwanted freq reflections better than their big brothers, but allow a little bit more reverb room in the sound. For my semi trated room, i prefer RF X model after hearing the filter files in the link and make a/b comparisons. The singer sings great by the way
Late to the party but over my Genelecs in my treated and tuned room I absolutely hear the same thing - there's a buildup at 250Hz on the two expensive models vs. the diffusion quality you're hearing on the lesser expensive models. Singer has a great rock voice, too. Guess people in this thread listen to too much auto tuned pussy pop and mumble rap.
it depends on the placement of the mic in the SE Filter, the distance between the mic and the rear panel will change the sound, same thing with the height, you gotta find the sweet spot..
I mean I wouldn’t personally use that style in the studio, I’m more of a rapper than a rocker. But I was honestly vibing out to his singing, it’s a unique voice, so of course it throws you off @first
I've got the SE Space, and I can't agree that it gives a "studio sound". But it sure helps a lot! A duvet behind the singer is really useful to catch the reflections coming from behind.
k12rising Certainly nothing wrong with my mic (Neumann TLM107). It doesn't matter how good the reflector is, it won't give you the sound of a well treated room (= studio). It will help remove some of the reflections from your room however. The SE Space certainly does a good job for what it is.
+Henrik Petersson (Fruitful Life) i agree henrik, these just help to tame some reflections... after all thats all you really need as some reflections are good. i think we are being conditioned these days to think they're all bad... but they're not. its just a case of weather you want that particular room sound in your mixes or not... so thats something ot consider too. i mean it didn't hurt the Beatles or Queen did it lol
would much prefer to hear this demonstration of filters with a professional singer at the helm, someone with a warmer, richer sound so it's easier to hear the difference...
i have the old original sE reflector from 8 yrs or so ago. i cant believe i spent like $300 on it. it isnt very well designed, but over the yrs ive made some modifications to keep it from leaning forward on the tip of the bar it sits on. i still have. its made its money worth back i guess.
You'd think this video was a showcase for the singer based on these comments O.o I actually found this video quite helpful for listening to the different filter reflections. Thanks!
I gotta be honest... all 4 of these filters sounded pretty similar. I wonder if it had anything to do with how loud the singers volume was? Curious to see how these perform with voice over work or rap. Either case, thanks for the vid.
There's a good point about volume, I reckon if you got a louder sound source or vocalist, you'd be able to hear the difference a lot more. I have the project studio filter myself, and in a mildly treated room it does the trick for most things, but when I have a particularly loud rock vocalist, or when a singer properly belts, the filter simply can't absorb all that energy, and is less effective. Would be cool to see the space filter in that kind of scenario!
He's not a shouty singer for sure but he's not a quiet singer either. As anyone who records will know, the volume recorded doesn't reflect the volume at source, take a classic Marshall gain tone for example, you don't know how loud it was a source and quite often they are not that loud at all. The audio files with compression on soundcloud highlight the differences more, I always try and give a raw, unprocessed signal with any product I demonstrate as it's very easy to falter audio recordings, all you hear over the uncompressed signal is a limiter catching the transients. As with any singer, you either like or you don't but that doesn't make them bad or good, that's personal taste which is kind of irrelevant here as it's about the filter, I could just blast it with frequencies and analyse the responses :) Paul / Stick
Haha you're absolutely right! But it sure will affect the amount of reflections you get in an untreated room. That's what I meant with my comment by the way, I like the vocalist here! I was just saying my SE project studio model struggles to absorb the reflections from higher volume sources, where as it performs valiantly in quiet to moderate scenarios. I assume the higher end models would do the job better in those scenarios. I may not own a pro level studio, but I do a fair bit of recording, and that's just something I can relay from my experience with the product, didn't mean to cause any offence!
That's cool, no offence taken mate! LOL I get what you mean so no problem, the higher end filters do absorb more efficiently across the whole frequency spectrum for sure and obviously mic placement within the filter also effects the response / changes the character even more, tightening things up. I actually like using a Shure SM7B and the pro filter that I have, that works a treat for most applications.
Al u min um... I thought this was some new patented material 😂😂😂😂 but in all honesty, it was hard to tell the difference between the last two bc he doesn't have the same studio environment; I feel like if he had've used the filters... let's say.... in the studio where the outside reflections were not affecting in the room... then it would be easier to distinguish. I thought the point of the review was to show what it could do under similar circumstances and conditions.... not introduce the living room and kitchen reflections. I get it's a reflection filter, but bringing in other factors doesn't help.I bought the "big daddy", but since Se doesn't have a comparison chart, I thought this would help me hear. I got a little insight, and I thank you, but keeping the variables similar to what producers use, bc most of us don't produce and record vox in an open space (at least I don't) btw I love his vocals 😁
The Se pro filter is better than the space filter. The vocals on the pro filter sounded more focused and warm, while the space filter you still heard the room.
Great comparison, Stick! There is one problem, however: only the first track on the playlist, the one without a filter or compression, can be downloaded. I hope that this is just an oversight, as I would like to run the files through a spectrum analyzer (aren't DAWs wonderful?).
by ear , i feel the RF X model is the flattest one in sound, but allow a little bit more room sound. If you have a semi trated room or trated, RF X will be enough to not colour the sound too much and cut the boomy low mids
Although this guy is singing quite good, unfortunately his singing style is not helping in showing us how this stuff works. I think we need sound pressure in order to notice the effect of using this device. I think a simple "Hey!" would have been enough to tell the difference. I'm very interested in buying one of those but I really need a proof it works decently.
While I heard audbile differences between no filter, X, Project, and Pro, I didn't hear much of a difference at all between the Pro and Space models. If you have the Pro it isn't much of an upgrade. If you don't have a filter the Space is the best, light weight, and easy to mount where the Pro is a beast.
the sound leaking out of the headphones was really irritating. I can hear the difference but I think the sound without the filter was aesthetically most pleasing to my ears.
Get serious! This represents Anderton's Music and you are presenting your company with tat like this with, "stuff" and subjective casual comment? Not even a good vocal to test this with, sounds awful, all of them and should be reshot with a decent singer! Can not hear the difference and we have this playing through studio monitors. Effected voice is not helpful, it needed a consistent vocal not a constipated one. This works best on no volume! How can anyone take Anderton's seriously with this amateurish approach, we will be going to gear4 music, Normans, Thommans, absolutemusic, Dolphin, GAK.....any supplier but Anderton's. If you want to learn about selling your company with RUclips take a look at Sax.co.uk and their videos.
Nice comparison. These things are better for spoken word, voice over stuff at normal intonation... not for screaming like Chris Cornell. Obviously it won't make a difference then . And plus your kitchen sounds very good raw. Not all vocals are recorded in a dead room.
Go to your local uhaul and get a few of the moving blankets and all your acoustic problems will be solved we always try to make acoustics such a difficult topic se products is a waste of money
Yeah pffft...... what's years & years of expensive R & D? They obviously don't work at all, this is why you can find them in pro studios used by pro artists.
ok but where shall we put the ipad or the script so as to read the script? also for sure there will be a feedback to the mic because the mic is just isolated from the back as there no hood there's no isolation in general...thats why i see that its a doable idea and i wont recommend it, thank you.
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As someone just starting out on home recording, I find I learn loads from Stick's videos and this is another great example. And thanks to Chris putting himself through this in the name of science (and marketing ;).
Great to here, cheers. The folks that come in and be part of them all really make the videos so make sure to check them out on FB and all the other bits out there.
Paul / Stick
I can hear the room very good with all of them. I think it is more important to treat the space behind you.
Thank you! After watching this, and additional research, I bought the SPACE reflection filter!
great comparison , very usefull to decide which to buy. I think the Pro and Space models cut more reverb reflection in the room but colour the singer voice boosting low mids at 200hz and 500hz result in sounding more boxy, while the X model works also as a diffusser making the vocals more flat without that boomy low mids. Cuts unwanted freq reflections better than their big brothers, but allow a little bit more reverb room in the sound. For my semi trated room, i prefer RF X model after hearing the filter files in the link and make a/b comparisons. The singer sings great by the way
Late to the party but over my Genelecs in my treated and tuned room I absolutely hear the same thing - there's a buildup at 250Hz on the two expensive models vs. the diffusion quality you're hearing on the lesser expensive models. Singer has a great rock voice, too. Guess people in this thread listen to too much auto tuned pussy pop and mumble rap.
it depends on the placement of the mic in the SE Filter, the distance between the mic and the rear panel will change the sound, same thing with the height, you gotta find the sweet spot..
the singer is really ... feeling himself
Definitely, so much that the video would be better without him
I mean I wouldn’t personally use that style in the studio, I’m more of a rapper than a rocker. But I was honestly vibing out to his singing, it’s a unique voice, so of course it throws you off @first
I've got the SE Space, and I can't agree that it gives a "studio sound". But it sure helps a lot! A duvet behind the singer is really useful to catch the reflections coming from behind.
k12rising Certainly nothing wrong with my mic (Neumann TLM107). It doesn't matter how good the reflector is, it won't give you the sound of a well treated room (= studio). It will help remove some of the reflections from your room however. The SE Space certainly does a good job for what it is.
+Henrik Petersson (Fruitful Life) i agree henrik, these just help to tame some reflections... after all thats all you really need as some reflections are good. i think we are being conditioned these days to think they're all bad... but they're not. its just a case of weather you want that particular room sound in your mixes or not... so thats something ot consider too. i mean it didn't hurt the Beatles or Queen did it lol
With your breakdown, now I know what I want to buy for a long term. I will go for SPACE design.
amazingly done video.. so helpful. Rare to find. Thank you!
Hmm! Agh! Y'know! Shamon! Decent vocals would have helped me better.
Come and sing for me on the next one 😊
would much prefer to hear this demonstration of filters with a professional singer at the helm, someone with a warmer, richer sound so it's easier to hear the difference...
i have the old original sE reflector from 8 yrs or so ago. i cant believe i spent like $300 on it. it isnt very well designed, but over the yrs ive made some modifications to keep it from leaning forward on the tip of the bar it sits on. i still have. its made its money worth back i guess.
Apparently there’s an upgrade for the hardware that sE currently sells. I guess they recognized the issue and made it better, worth looking into!
You'd think this video was a showcase for the singer based on these comments O.o I actually found this video quite helpful for listening to the different filter reflections. Thanks!
I gotta be honest... all 4 of these filters sounded pretty similar. I wonder if it had anything to do with how loud the singers volume was? Curious to see how these perform with voice over work or rap. Either case, thanks for the vid.
There's a good point about volume, I reckon if you got a louder sound source or vocalist, you'd be able to hear the difference a lot more. I have the project studio filter myself, and in a mildly treated room it does the trick for most things, but when I have a particularly loud rock vocalist, or when a singer properly belts, the filter simply can't absorb all that energy, and is less effective. Would be cool to see the space filter in that kind of scenario!
He's not a shouty singer for sure but he's not a quiet singer either. As anyone who records will know, the volume recorded doesn't reflect the volume at source, take a classic Marshall gain tone for example, you don't know how loud it was a source and quite often they are not that loud at all. The audio files with compression on soundcloud highlight the differences more, I always try and give a raw, unprocessed signal with any product I demonstrate as it's very easy to falter audio recordings, all you hear over the uncompressed signal is a limiter catching the transients. As with any singer, you either like or you don't but that doesn't make them bad or good, that's personal taste which is kind of irrelevant here as it's about the filter, I could just blast it with frequencies and analyse the responses :)
Paul / Stick
Haha you're absolutely right! But it sure will affect the amount of reflections you get in an untreated room. That's what I meant with my comment by the way, I like the vocalist here! I was just saying my SE project studio model struggles to absorb the reflections from higher volume sources, where as it performs valiantly in quiet to moderate scenarios. I assume the higher end models would do the job better in those scenarios. I may not own a pro level studio, but I do a fair bit of recording, and that's just something I can relay from my experience with the product, didn't mean to cause any offence!
That's cool, no offence taken mate! LOL
I get what you mean so no problem, the higher end filters do absorb more efficiently across the whole frequency spectrum for sure and obviously mic placement within the filter also effects the response / changes the character even more, tightening things up. I actually like using a Shure SM7B and the pro filter that I have, that works a treat for most applications.
An SM7b has been on my to buy list for some time! cheers for the tip man :)
***** What mics are you using?
Paul
WHAT THE PEOPLE SAY
Cheers, I've been looking for exactly this type of comparison before I buy one of the condenser mic & filter packs.
No worries, make sure to check out the Soundcloud link the here more detail etc.
Paul / Stick
Al u min um... I thought this was some new patented material 😂😂😂😂 but in all honesty, it was hard to tell the difference between the last two bc he doesn't have the same studio environment; I feel like if he had've used the filters... let's say.... in the studio where the outside reflections were not affecting in the room... then it would be easier to distinguish. I thought the point of the review was to show what it could do under similar circumstances and conditions.... not introduce the living room and kitchen reflections. I get it's a reflection filter, but bringing in other factors doesn't help.I bought the "big daddy", but since Se doesn't have a comparison chart, I thought this would help me hear. I got a little insight, and I thank you, but keeping the variables similar to what producers use, bc most of us don't produce and record vox in an open space (at least I don't) btw I love his vocals 😁
Nice Vid, Thanks for the review.
The Se pro filter is better than the space filter. The vocals on the pro filter sounded more focused and warm, while the space filter you still heard the room.
agreed
Couldn't tell any difference what so ever!!
DKatierS I agree, and I'm listening on a hifi-headset.
+yearn lp maybe you need a better DAC/amp
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Great comparison, Stick! There is one problem, however: only the first track on the playlist, the one without a filter or compression, can be downloaded. I hope that this is just an oversight, as I would like to run the files through a spectrum analyzer (aren't DAWs wonderful?).
Thanks for letting me know, sorted. Don't know why it only enabled the one track, anyway, download away!
Paul / Stick
by ear , i feel the RF X model is the flattest one in sound, but allow a little bit more room sound. If you have a semi trated room or trated, RF X will be enough to not colour the sound too much and cut the boomy low mids
Although this guy is singing quite good, unfortunately his singing style is not helping in showing us how this stuff works. I think we need sound pressure in order to notice the effect of using this device. I think a simple "Hey!" would have been enough to tell the difference. I'm very interested in buying one of those but I really need a proof it works decently.
why is he saying its 300 pounds when most shops are retailing the top end one for half of that price?
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Use these time tags to A/B the recordings
Amazing, thank you
Great
I couldn't tell a difference even listening through studio headphones.
It feels like i'm not listening to the 414, but a mic from the camera
Everyone complaining about the headphones, meanwhile, bro has a toque on! 😂
While I heard audbile differences between no filter, X, Project, and Pro, I didn't hear much of a difference at all between the Pro and Space models. If you have the Pro it isn't much of an upgrade. If you don't have a filter the Space is the best, light weight, and easy to mount where the Pro is a beast.
Please how could you have a singer like the one you have, but I am still interested in the rf space.
the sound leaking out of the headphones was really irritating. I can hear the difference but I think the sound without the filter was aesthetically most pleasing to my ears.
It’s very difficult to hear the difference. Suggest multiple A B A B with out speech just back to back
what is the name of the panel on the wall behind you?
Get serious! This represents Anderton's Music and you are presenting your company with tat like this with, "stuff" and subjective casual comment? Not even a good vocal to test this with, sounds awful, all of them and should be reshot with a decent singer! Can not hear the difference and we have this playing through studio monitors. Effected voice is not helpful, it needed a consistent vocal not a constipated one. This works best on no volume! How can anyone take Anderton's seriously with this amateurish approach, we will be going to gear4 music, Normans, Thommans, absolutemusic, Dolphin, GAK.....any supplier but Anderton's. If you want to learn about selling your company with RUclips take a look at Sax.co.uk and their videos.
"watch in 720/1080 HD" **Doesn't upload video in 1080p** Yep, makes sense.
The link to the facebook page is broken!
he's trying to copy jamerequi
+richard gordon : You gotta be kidding! Arf! Sounds like he has constipation! Awful!
thanks for the informative video but, dam I couldn't stop laughing at bad attempt to be a soul singer!......
he sound like he was taking a dump
acoustic foam is 50 bucks for 24 pcs, get 6 to doble layer a pc of wire then the rest on roof and some behind you fuck those filters
the first thing he must to sing in same place not in three different places en thanx for lot
Nice comparison.
These things are better for spoken word, voice over stuff at normal intonation... not for screaming like Chris Cornell. Obviously it won't make a difference then . And plus your kitchen sounds very good raw. Not all vocals are recorded in a dead room.
The Shield is about £189
I would have pushed the microphone back more to the back
Forget the reflection filters, get better headphones! They're bleeding all over the place.
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Tori used to use one of these...
😂😂 who's pretty damn confused 😂😂
what King Shaman said
can i put this on a inox iva 12?? mic stand
sure can
Useful video but the "singer" was almost unbearable.
why spend more for the same sound once you put a noise gate it will sound even better with the cheaper one
The guy in the video singing is horrible
Go to your local uhaul and get a few of the moving blankets and all your acoustic problems will be solved we always try to make acoustics such a difficult topic se products is a waste of money
Yeah pffft...... what's years & years of expensive R & D? They obviously don't work at all, this is why you can find them in pro studios used by pro artists.
They had one job to find a singer...
Setting the mic to cardioid should also help eliminate reflections.
ok but where shall we put the ipad or the script so as to read the script? also for sure there will be a feedback to the mic because the mic is just isolated from the back as there no hood there's no isolation in general...thats why i see that its a doable idea and i wont recommend it, thank you.
There is no feedback from the Mic on using one of these
So strange you couldn't find a singer, the guy can't hold a note. The video would have been a lot more effective.
find a real singer, for christ sake.
Francesco Bertelli 😂😂😂😂👍
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Lol
acoustic foam is 50 bucks for 24 pcs, get 6 to doble layer a pc of wire then the rest on roof and some behind you fuck those filters