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What really surprises me is that Jesus doesn't play more of a role in the stories of Ghost Rider. It having that distinct southern gothic asthenic. There was a character called "the friend" back in the 70s who literally chases Satan away from claiming Jonny's soul.
@@mahatmarandy5977 Plus, the creators are usually Jewish.
Honestly, how do you write Jesus into the story without making it seem like deus ex machina? It's much more satisfying if the actual victim uses his brains and gifts to win the day.
@@imaginationave3687well the thing is Jesus, in real life, doesn't solve every single one of your issues, but He is the answer, so you can absolutely write Christ into the story especially when the opponent is a demonic entity, or a witch or something. He can empower one of the protags, but its on them to use it, to forgive, to be forgiven, to transform from rage fighting in the flesh to battling and winning in the Spirit
@@imaginationave3687f Jesus was real, He ain’t slapping his hand down to smite bullies on the regular. If one story had stakes high enough that Jesus said “nah living privileges revoked” or otherwise vanished the issue it would need to simply serve as a greater metaphor. Jesus shows up at the end of a 12 comic run and slaps the shit out of some demonic alien supervillain? Eh-Stolen thunder. The hero costs himself the fight over over a moral delima and decides to take a page out of Jesus book and self sacrifice? And for that jesus saves the day? That’s a satisfying.
Ghost rider isn't a real hero movie
It's so sad what Marvel did to Nightcrawler nowadays
I don't even want to know but I know you are right please don't tell me it will break my heart
@moscowvicent831 I'm not sure if anything happened in the comics, but I'm pretty sure they just stopped bringing up religion around him
@@hiomanHe's actually in the middle of creating his own mutant religion now that Mutantkind has its own island nation and the ability to resurrect mutants on command.
@@AceCluck Yep, he completely forsook God and his religious beliefs in order to claim that all mutants are gods and start a new CULT. They really hate Christians and could not let us even have that little bit.
Did- past tense, nowadays- present tense. Pick one
The greatest flex in DC history, in my opinion is The Specter, the literal wrath of God, effortlessly killing true Darkseid on Apocalypse before rising him again just because Darkseid dared to blaspheme God and because it wasn't his place to permanently kill him as God had plans for Darkseid. Literally the coldest moment in DC and nobody ever talks about it.
What's the comic source for this one as in Series name and Issue and Author please.
@@TheXplanations The Spectre #19 by John Ostrander. The Spectre goes to Apokolips to save a girl kidnapped by parademons and effortlessly tears a path to her. Darkseid confronts him, acknowledges God's existence but claims that The Spectre can't hurt him because "it" (God/The Source) has no jurisdiction on Apokolips before attempting to harm The Spectre with his Omega Beams. All this does is fill The Spectre with rage and causes him to disintegrate Darkseid in an instant, Apokolips itself screams in anguish, before Darkseid is returned to existence. He and The Spectre conversate, and it's revealed that God/The Source brought Darkseid back because he has a purpose in the multiverse, asking The Spectre "Why is that do you think?" The Spectre leaves with the girl and the two part strangely amicably. It was incredibly interesting and I hate how nobody ever brings it up. It was also a really good example of how to incorporate Christianity into the overall cosmology of the other comics in an organic way.
@@anotherunreliablenarratorI remember that one. I really like that series.
That sounds like a fun read. What comic was it?
Thanks for the source
The problem with Christian superheroes is that Christianity itself is incompatible with the worlds the characters inhabit. It doesn't help that most comic book authors are not Christian. So many characters end up with the most simplistic, hyper caricatured religious beliefs which clearly betrays the writers' lacking knowledge of Christianity.
If someone wants to write a successful comic book Christian superhero, they need to first establish a world that's compatible with orthodox Christianity. So no weird syncretism of the various world mythologies in your portrayal of the divine world - unless you want to make them demons. The character has to actually live a life that's consistent with their beliefs. There shouldn't be any shyness when it comes to writing about and explaining their religious beliefs, which should actually reflect real Christian beliefs. And God should be portrayed accurately and carefully if you wish to include him in the story in any capacity - as Lewis did with Aslan.
And obviously the comic book shouldn't come across as preachy for the sake of being preachy. In most cases, a comic is not being written for the purpose of evangelism. Having Christian elements in your story doesn't excuse bad writing.
EXACTLY!!
A Christian series that does this well is The Remnant Series, we covered all 16 of their available Issues over the past couple months. I think you might like it alot given what you stated. ruclips.net/p/PLT-jH1oeizjfZk2mlHf6xEBFu52b-5090
@@Jimmy-iy9pl You also find this with horror movies. A true Christian able to claim the authority of Christ's blood would ruin most supernatural horror movies.
Also, there was a short lived comic series by an indy company called Archangels that was great.
It had stories of Christians and sinners alike going through their mundane lives, but showed the spiritual warfare that happened where they could not see between angels and demons for the soul of the Character. They even got the ratio right in which one angel could beat a host of demons.
REALLY GOOD stuff.
Its incompatible with the real world..😂.which is why it has to be indoctrinated to stay alive..
I think the more Christian depiction of Nightcrawler in the 90s cartoon can be taken a bit more at face value; at least in his introductory episode, the writer for the script really had no experience with any X-men lore; and most of the viewers never get into the pluralistic lore of Marvel or their fictionalization of angel vs demon. To most people (and the show writers), Nightcrawler is just a mutant that "looks like" a demon, not related to a fictionally downplayed demon; his appearance initially is part of X-men's narrative on racism rather than connected to Marvel's questionable mythos.
Whereas Dr. Fate is, up front, at conflict with genuine Christianity as an intrinsic part of his character, Nightcrawler really depends on the writers
and it's much harder to discern with how many writers and different continuities they make lol
Yeah, I completely get that, which is why I try to stick to "the Canon" of the particular interation I'm discussing only, i.e if its 90's seires night crawler, I'm looking only at that interaction of him rather than all interactions of the character. Even in the case of Dr. Fate, to my Knowledge I think Young Justice's version is the only one that had Zatara take up the mantle. I think all other interactions have kept it strictly to Kent Nelson. So the "Christian Dr. Fate" observation will fall flat in any other case.
I’m pretty sure Nightcrawler was originally just meant to be a mutant who looked like a demon. I think they added the strange backstory later on.
Because of the popularity of the show, Marvel moved to make the character's stories that of the show. And later they delved into the power of Nightcrawler and claimed that when he ported he was actually tunneling through Limbo. Which in the Marvel Universe is a realm of Hell filled with demons. So they kind of leaned into that a bit.
Imagine Disney turning Nightcrawler into a trans satanist just to piss of the fans...
Me: well i guess he isn't contradictory anymore.
@@efxnews4776considering that most of the members Disney board room of directors are heavily staunch atheists and Satanist lgbtq+ members and most likely for life than I can very reluctantly and very unfortunately see that actually happening but I would much prefer the fully permanent preservation of the night crawler I grew up in the 1980's and 1990's appreciating due to his constant penchant for pacifism, goodness and ever devout love and faith in our lord Jesus christ!
I wish I could financially help marvel permanently return to being a independent company but also being unapologetically wholly owned and led by eternally devoutly Christian leadership.
Great video. As a Christian who grew up in Nigeria in the 2000s, I remember seeing more Christian or Christian-like characters in many of the fiction back then. They weren't always religious but they did embody the good morals and attitudes associated with being a Christian and a good person. Not sure why western media no longer makes characters like these anymore and these days, their attitude towards Christianity or Judaism in media is to be hostile or condescending. The only good Christian character I have seen in western media is Joshua Graham from teh Fallout New Vegas game.
Agree brother.
As I see it... some, own goals, may have occurred...
Still, Africans pre Christianity, were far from flawless - or Native Americans,
or Shinto, Buddhists, etc.
The legacy of Imperialism does cast a long, shadow, though
(Or the bizarre contrast between Numbers 15:32, and the 350 year slave trade, in Christendom. It looks pretty odd - which gets the more direct divine purported, intervention)
That may affect, credibility, at times.
It wasn't all due to Paley, Galileo and Darwin, that such views could pale or become overshadowed, I suspect.
And even then Joshua Graham is a Mormon
They still do, just not up in anyone's face about it, and basic tenets and values of Christian aspects are still being spreaded, because they're those who overly misinterpret the scriptures and use it to spread hate and bigotry, would you want that being represented as Christian?
They can be gary stus
You're wrong about Zatara "casting a spell in backwards tongue" while praying. That's Italian and it's repeating The Lord's Prayer.
Thanks for the correction on that Clip.
Isn't magic not allowed in God's book? Cause Magic is Satan's territory. So why does Zatara do magic if he calls himself a Christian, makes no sense.
I write superhero fiction and I have created Christian characters and characters who learn lessons from God. I've never actually met a Christian character that really felt the same as me, it seems like a lot of Christian characters are like Christians today, they are casual believers not dedicated and building a relationship with God
Yeah I get what you mean. And all the best in your writings as well.
Very true. Not all Christians are so steadfast and devout in their faith. They are "Easter and Christmas Christians" who miss out on the sweetness of prayer.
On my deployment, even many of those who called themselves Catholics failed to show up to Church with myself and the other Catho-bros, when every Sunday is an obligation in our belief system.
I understand I am also a Christian but the problem in creating christian superheroes is
That for example I also am creating christian superheroes for my comic but you need to advance your superhero Universe that's why you see there gods and beings like Zeus , celestials , Asgardians and monsters in marvel and DC
If you get
@@davidarthur4457 I can see what you mean. In my writing I have ghosts, a more Christian form of magic, aliens, monsters, and other mythical but nothing is allowed to trump God himself
@@s9yadvent cool now your getting it so what's your first hero about
My first hero is a mighty warrior called the immortal
He has lived beyond centuries and centuries itself and know to be the most powerful human in existence
He fought death and was granted immortality and a fast healing factor so good that even the smallest particle of him can regenerate, he was also given powerful weaponry and armor given to him by angel Michael which he uses to defeat evil from multiverses to outerverses , he also has extreme super strength and unbeatable knowledge about humanity, the cosmos , realities, celestial beings , entites , realms, multiverses and more and also he's hot asf because he's filled which so much purity of God that every century that passes him by he becomes ten times hotter and more beautiful
He wears untainted armor made by archangel Michael
And had powers to throw punches fallen angels /gods like Zeus , lord Shiva or the monkey king
The immortal is even half of the strongest in my universe
Because in my superhero story power is unlimited and boundless so even tho you have the power to whip the whole of realities and dimensions and realms in one snap a being is out there way way way more powerful than you but the immortal is the surely unstoppable
DC also has The Specter, who is literally the wrath of God.
But which God this?
@@christhechilledThe Presence, the omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient creator of all the DC cosmology.
Don't forget Phantom Stranger, his powers to come from God as well.
To me, I always saw the character of Zatarra as an example of duality. His mindset based off his faith in God and and being a father versus Nabu’s duty as the protector of the magical balance. I thought that it draws parallels to how people of faith have things that they want to do and things that are their spiritual duty. Idk if I’m explaining it well.
Actually you are, and I'd like to add that the belief of these 2 characters, Zatarra and Nabu in one body, propagates the notion that 2 belief can Coexist and that isn't a Christian thing to do.
@@favourpeter9386 true. That’s a good point. Many religions(especially Christianity) has the general rule of only one God, and his will being above any other.
@@favourpeter9386 Multiple religeons can co-exist, it's just that some religeons are more right than others. The idea that "my version of my religeon is 100% right and all other religions and even other versions of my same religeon are 100% wrong and should be purged" is wrong and led to atrocities like the Inquisition and Colonialism/Manifest Destiny. God values freedom and gave humanity free will for a reason. If people choose to not worship God or heck, worship God in their own way, that's perfectly fine in God's mind. God mainly cares about blasphemers who claim to be christain using his name to spread real world evil, something the American right these days LOVES doing with their anti-LGBT influencers and megachurch pastors...
@@KrimsonKattYT As right as you think you are, you couldn't be further away from the Truth, the truth being that Jesus is the only way to God and the same Jesus who is the saviour has called all of mankind to repent and come to know the true God, God given us free will isn't something to use and rebel against him(rebel in the sense that you choose your own way than His), he gave use free will so we'll come to know him entirely by our own Accord with the nudging of His Great Holy Ghost, and if for any reason we choose to use the free will to satiate our very own desires, we'll be judged for it by the end of time! I sincerely hope you seek the Truth that has a name and not sentiments. 🙏
It's literally forbidden in Christianity to use magic, you can't be both a sorcerer and christian.
Duality might be something like killing, the Bible is not against it, so you could have a christian hero walk that line between meeting our justice and avoiding becoming a murderer but things that are explicitity said no to like being gay, sorcery, blaspheming the Holy spirit, etc don't work.
A pretty obscure, but amazing, Marvel character that has some deep roots in Christianity that I would recommend checking out would be Daimon Hellstrom! The character is based to be the Son of Satan, (even giving him red hair as a play on the "The devil's son must have red hair!" myth) and even has a giant burning pentagram as a birthmark on his chest, yet, the character denies his infernal father and becomes a priest and a soldier for God! It's really good and inspiring, having a very good message of how any and everybody is welcome into The Kingdom of God, no matter who or what you are, all you gotta do is believe and worship and repent. The comics of his, as with him in general, are absolutely amazing and inspiring and I highly suggest you check them out.
Seems interesting.
@@TheXplanations It's very interesting, yes! There are a few times with the change of writers that they try to break him away from being that, but the core is and what they keep bringing him back to is having him fight against his demonic father and go to God. He's often paired up with Doctor Strange and Ghost Rider, being their friend and partner quite a lot of times.
Now, granted, his religious stories don't go deep and as much as Nightcrawler's or Daredevil's, but still.
My introduction to that character was through Marvel Zombies 5(?). He was a total badass there, I should check out his other stories.
Oh wow never heard of that character before. Sounds awesome!
Daredevil's portrayal of Matt's relationship with God and with Catholicism is unparalleled.
Ever notice Catholic hero always have a devil or demon theme ? Daredevil, Nightcrawler, Hellboy , Blue Demon etc . Weird
Good point actually. Never thought about that.
There are a lot of jokes I could make here.
Daredevil is a strange word. An informal meaning of "devil" is just "a person with remarkable characteristics"
@@Iliadic He does also have horns though, so he does lean into a more common perception of the biblical devil.
@@raunjisto2925 What biblical narrative says that the devil has horns? You might be thinking of the seven heads and ten horns on the dragon from Revelation, but those aren't explicitly the Devil.
Do not blame Daredevil for being bad at being Christian .His own spiritual sheperd is awful .A Priest who denies the existence of the Devil is one who should probably be punched by his Bishop .
That is no excuse. We will all stand alone in front of our maker one day. Matt Murdock knows the truth yet decides to ignore it. That is his choice and he will be held accountable. Just as we all will.
Netflix's Daredevil seems smarter than that.
Gotta love a boondocks saint
He’s catholic not Christian
@@chrisoctober9921
Protestants are Satanic .Catholics are the only Christians .
I always got mad respect for NightCrawler.
Thanks for the video.
With so much against my faith in the world, I’ve been feeling an wrathful ache in my heart as I endure every insult to God.
It is very comforting to know I’m not the only one who feels that ache.
Man that the same feelings I had that pushed me to start the channel. I totally understand and I am glad to her you enjoyed.
In 2000s run of JSA, Wildcat from Justice Society speaks down on supervillains claiming to be gods. He says there's only one true God.
It's hard to reconcile the comic book world where Magic, Pagan gods and extraterrestrials are all real and interact with the Christian one where such things are either forbidden or superstition. While I don't think writing a Christian character in such a universe is an attempt to deceive believers it will always clash and feel disjointed. You get the same thing in some fantasy works and many Sci Fi ones (Hello Star Trek).
Good video nonetheless. ^^
Extraterrestrials are forbidden/superstition in Christianity?
I would like to counter that with "the dog-men of India". This is an actual account of a Christian council tackling the topic of whether things non-Human (but crucially non-Demonic) could be saved. As the title suggests, back when information was hard to come by an even harder to verify, out of India reached Europe stories of packs of werewolf-like "dog-men" who were being sighted. The question was posited that if these were indeed true accounts, could the dog-men be evangelized to and be saved. After some discussion, the Council concluded that, yes, they dog-men could be saved. That is because they are products of God's Creation as much as Humanity is, plus that "made in God's image" refers to we being vessels for God's power (which is a main reason why God despised idols, vessels meant for things not from God).
In summary, this is why the vast majority of Christians wouldn't be as freaked out about aliens, as Science Fiction writers so wrongly insist so often that Earth's major religions - but especially Christianity ends up being a focus - would almost immediately collapse into obscurity the moment first contact was undeniably made.
@user-vi4xy1jw7e Not necessarily with aliens, but typically most Christians see hauntings as - if they're not just hysteria or hoaxes - Demonic is nature, as obviously there's the belief of Heaven and Hell. Christians even believe in Magic, they just make it explicitly clear that what isn't showmanship or charlatans is simply because of powers that aren't coming from God. Which often but not always goes into the Demonic territory again. See the Witch of Endor summoning Samuel's ghost for Saul for Biblical reference.
@@user-vi4xy1jw7eother gods aren't recognized as gods, or at least not as someone who can save your soul.
@@user-vi4xy1jw7eI think so? Cos the Church can't answer who created the aliens.
I'm creating a comic series with Christian themes, though at first glance, it might not look like it. I have races from fantasy existing as aliens on other worlds, headed mostly by the angels. The angels in this series live human-like lives and were once humans themselves, but were turned into angels when they used these suits to absorb the energy of these energy-based lifeforms that were trying to wipe out humanity. However, what these angels truly are will be explained later. There is a similar set up with the daemons, they were genetically engineered by an ancient evil society to be used as super soldiers to purge the galaxy, but that evil society vanished, leaving them behind to develop into a brutal eugenicist society. True demons and true angels will exist in this setting, and I look forward to getting to the point in this series where I can reveal them and fully reveal the Enochian League (I had a brief hint to them in issue 2) The most biblically incompatible thing in it is that human history begins long, long before but was lost to us, and we were once part of an alliance of other races. The protagonist of the series is an orphan in feudal japan whose dreams connect him to the mystery of a missing angel. The time period this takes place in gives me the opportunity to mention the Jesuit mission in Japan at the time and include many Christian characters.
That's awesome! Is there a possibility to read it somewhere online?
Super cool!
sounds interesting bro, will you post it online somewhere?
@@Yarblocosifilitico Not able to tell you where to get your copy for some reason the comment always gets deleted but the book is called Seven Legions and no other comic book has that name, so hopefully that is enough info to lead you to it.
Can't wait to see it man,
I'm also writing a script that's quite similar,
With Christian themes.
Jesus is the original and actually real life super hero - I wish people could actually conceptualise that....Bro is so awesome
Nightcrawler is one of the greatest comic book characters, unfortunately he doesn't get enough stories
Ive actually written a Christian superhero, and i tried my best to make him a good representation. His backstory was that as a child, his preacher father was killed by a man that was possessed by a demon, and he dedicates his life to stopping demons from hurting people. One day, God came to him in a dream and told him that his goals were just, but that his heart was corrupted by vengeance, and that in order for him to proceed with his goal, he needs to let go of his hatred and do things purely for the benefit of others and bringing glory to God. The man accepts this and God bestows upon him divine abilities, such as instant exorcism, the ability to heal himself and others, create blasts of divine light, and even raise the dead, though this would put him into a coma. After gaining these powers, he suits up in a Crusader-like suit of armor and searches for demons that need exorcism or people that need help. His costume inckudes a full helmet that covirs his full face si that he himself will never get credit for the good acts he performs, only God
Yeah and this is the problem with mixing Christian views and gnostic pagan views. Demons don't love God, they hate him. This just makes it confusing. It's cool if some heroes were Christian though.
Yup you can't mix the 2 and expect to get a good and clear result. It just leads to confusion
Captain America acknowledges there's only one God in the first Avengers movie
The vertigo DC characters are based on Christian lore such as John Constantine, the Spectre, the presence (who's like they're equivalent of Christian God in that universe), Lucifer Morningstar, Michael (Michael had a last name in the comics but I forgot what it was),
I don't know about current versions of Superman but I know a lot of older versions of Superman were raised in Christian homes for example the really old movies and a lot of the old classic '40s comics
And I think Batman's mom was a Catholic
Check out our videos on The Remnant Comic Series in the channel.
@caitlyncarvalho7637 What do you mean?
@@SpectreBagelsI'm sure it's pretty cut, God's word is against discrimination against others that are different, and he doesn't delight nor wish we treat others like shit, due to physical or cultural differences.
I think part of the issue here is that we're talking about 2 gigantic, interconnected weaves of multiple stories, written by multiple writers over decades. Stories that are not written to be gospel, and stories that have been written by atheists several times. If I, as a Christian, DO want to create a story involving a Christian superhero, and I want some specific aspect of the faith to be portrayed, I don't see how that's somehow less valuable because some other story written under the same IP and company 5 years later by someone else completely different makes reference to God as being a diety at the same level as Thor or whatever.
Like, yes, in a very literal interpretation, in-universe, they may not be worshipping the exact same analogous one true God as we do as Christians in the real world. But that's because of a technicality that's a side effect of stories about the same characters being written by different people, in works of fiction. Obviously, these kinds of portrayals will never be as valuable as the literal word of God, or genuine testimony, or works of fictions specifically created from the beginning by Christians to realistically present the faith in all aspects, but I don't think that means they aren't valuable.
Nightcrawler in the 90's tv show was my introduction to the world of Christianity, and I don't think the fictional character living in a fictional world that another person created an inaccurate fictional depiction of a different deity. If a specific episode or story arch is written to showcase and align with Christian values, I think that's better than the only alternative I can think of, that all secular fiction be completely devoid of it's inclusion for the sake of not breaking biblical accuracy. I for one find "ironic" depictions of people of faith to be quite moving. One of the biggest cornerstones of Abrahamic Faiths is that no one deserves salvation, but everyone, no matter how sinful, can be forgiven and gifted salvation.
Take for instance, some modern comic depictions of Nightcrawler being half-demon. With exception to some interpretations believing the Nephilim were fathered by fallen angels, this isn't something that happens in the real world, under our God, and isn't depicted within the word of God. However, in telling a story, especially one where it's obviously presented as not being like our own world, in a hypothetical universe where such a thing is possible, one could argue that such a creature could still be saved. Fallen angels were once angels, obviously, but also, being half human, they might have a soul, and could in theory be Christian if they accept Jesus into their heart, could they not? And now you have a wonderful analogy of someone who many, Christians including, would condemn, not unlike the tax collectors and sinners that Jesus dined with. Similarly, maintaining one's faith in a world where Gods and Aliens wreak havoc seems like a virtue. As a Christian, I don't believe in aliens, but if by some happenstance humanity did actually discover civilized aliens on another planet, and they had the technology to do unthinkable miracles, I don't believe that would shatter my faith in God. Just because Captain America lives in a world where people appear Godlike, does not mean its inconceivable that he still believes the One True God holds more power. And even IF another story written by somebody else shows that this fictional representation of our God DOESN'T, I don't think that makes stories about that hero's faith bad representation.
if you want a story where the creation of the universe, and the rules of our world, perfectly aligns with the Bible, then yeah, Marvel and DC obviously aren't that. They never were. And works of fiction like the Remnant do fit that bill very nicely. But I don't think people are misinterpreting these representations like you seem to imply they do.
That's cool to hear your introduction to Christianity was through Nightcrawler. I agree with most of what you said, I honestly think I expressed that coming to the end of the video and my closing. Only on your final sentence I just want to address.
Some of us that are strong in the faith (which I assume you are given the what you expressed and how you articulated the comment). Tend to forget that there are those that are not. Or even tend to forget how we were when we were babes in Christ and the guidance we needed. Especially when we lacked any coherent bible knowledge and only knew about God through what we heard from other Christians or from the Pastors over us. I for one was one of them, that thought Marvel's Celestial creation story and the one above all were synonymous with God. Because it 'seemed' similar and used the 'right' lingo. But it's years after when I got into Seminary and got into word more. When I revisited old Marvel Comics, I realized how different it was. And as you said it being different isn't a bad thing after all they aren't trying to preach the gospel here. The problem for me arised from the fact that the some of the great pioneers were instead intentionally flipping it. You mentioned the fact that these stories are written by multiple writers over many decades with their own iterations. But some of the very first foundational iterations when you peel back the layers were intentionally anti-biblical from the get-go. Not anti-biblical in the sense that it is fiction and not real. But anti-biblical in the sense that Kirby, Engelhardt and others literally stated they went to the bible in the 60s - 80s. And upon those foundations is how we got to what where we are today. Where some comics and fiction are just flat out on some war kind of war on God.
I am not one that is for the "Satanic Panic" nor advocate to get rid of entertainment altogether. I am a fan of these things just like anyone else. But I have seen in comment sections some WACK STATEMENTS by "Believers" which are not congruent to the word of God. It's not an over exaggeration or creating a slippery-slope of maybe "it could potentially lead to Christians thinking this type of way praising these characters later down the road of time". But its from the perspective of a Christian (myself) who taught in that kind of way that all God References are in Reverence to Him, and found myself in echo chambers whether it be forums, or video comment sections that held the same view. Go through the comment sections of our Doctor Strange or Sandman videos if you got the time to see it first hand. It's WILD, might want to pull a 🍿 too. Even some of the comments under this video are wild and I made a video looking at comments from this recently.
Some are able to use their discernment to, as another commenter stated which I like "eat the fish and spit out the bones". While others, especially the babes in Christ are out here framing the bones to fill that longing for Christian representation. Accepting anything, even as little as Captain America's simple line in avengers or Ultron bible scripture quotes as "feel good Christian resurgence moment". Even when the very basis of it all is intentional twisting his word. And as I told another person, I have no problem with these scenes themselves as I believe God can use anything to reach anyone at anytime for HIS purpose. Even when it is made by folks whose made it a mission to deny him and pervert his word. My issue comes when his people are advocating to 'swallow or frame the bones' in the name of Christian Representation. Like I once did and many continue to do today.
Nightcrawler and Giovanni Zatara are my two favorite comic characters and I'm glad you examples of their faiths. When I watched Young Justice and Zatara's talk to Nabu, I actually got goosebumps when Gio made the sign of the cross. It was so good. Thank you for this video
Zatara wasnt reciting a spell, he was saying the Lords Prayer first in Italian and then English, and God has no issue with him practicing magic or else the sign of the cross would strip him of his powers.
"By The Sign Of The Cross All Black Magic Is Stopped, And All Witchcraft Brought To Nothing,
"But we by the mention of Christ crucified put all demons to flight, whom you fear as if they were gods. Where The Sign Of The Cross Is, Dark Sorcery Is Weak And Witchcraft Has No Strength."
- St. Athanasius of Alexandria
One issue I always had with “Christian” comic book characters is how they’d often not be consistent in their beliefs or consistently go against their beliefs. Matt Murdock is supposed to be a devout Catholic but he’s always sleeping around. Even Kurt has slept around and been in a relationship with a witch. Those are very explicitly non-Christian behaviors but Marcel had them doing that over and over again. I’d love to see a Christian who actually sticks to core Christian beliefs. Not being perfect of course, but to at least be consistent. And when they do mess up or sin it should weigh on them.
Thats actually very realistic to Christians in the real world
@@nunya5230 I don’t look for realism in my comics though. Characters like Superman, Wonder Woman and others have morals they rarely, if ever, deviate from. Superheroes are aspirational, so I’m not looking for a Christian superhero who fails as much as we do. They can still have flaws, but I’m tired of seeing Christian heroes who can’t keep it in their pants or do things that are absolutely blasphemous
LOL. That's what Confessions are for. Stop that holier than thou attitude. Too many had lost their lives because of it.
@@icyhugs No. The stuff I’m talking about is never called out as bad and the Christian heroes are never called out on it. Even a normal Christian is supposed to carry themselves to a higher standard.
@@icyhugs not just confess, but repent from their sins. And if they are doing it again they did not repent.
The 80s Voltron series had some Christian themes, from the original five pilots making the sign of the cross at the tomb of a deceased character to Voltron itself having a cross prominently featured on its chest. That symbology was removed from the newer Netflix version of Voltron.
Bro some people do get sensitive at that topic
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I like how this person actually bothered to research the DC lore before just judging it as a Satanic cesspool like a lot of Karen's do
As someone who makes fan films based on superhero fandoms that currently exist I don't really want to do my own horn so I'm not going to use this to promote cuz I think that would be selfish but I do believe there are many good moral values Christians can learn from superheroes even if those particular heroes aren't completely based on me Christian mythos for example Thor he has this whole character Arc about being the person he really is rather than being someone that everyone around him expects him to be everyone wanted him to be the perfect king of Asgard when a king is just not who he wants to be he wants to be a bringer of Peace instead of an object of war and despite how absolutely terrible for love and thunder was of a movie thor at least kept that in his character
I think that can actually teach a really valuable lesson about being who you are deep down instead of trying to be this warped expectation of what the whole world wants to force you to be which in a time like today that's a problem most Christians find themselves facing
But that's a non-Christian superhero example let's use a character that is kind of based in the Christian mythology
Ghost Rider Johnny Blaze specifically
His dad got cancer and thanks to his teenage stupidity he sold his soul to the devil to allow his father to be cured of cancer the devil (maphisto) proceeded to get his father cured of cancer but killed in a motorcycle accident anyway and then proclaimed ownership of Johnny soul and turned him into the Ghost Rider hell's bounty Hunter for demons that escaped hell and people who do wrong on others at first Johnny plays felt trapped In Forever damned however there's even a comic book where Jesus himself comes and saves Ghost Rider from Lucifer you can look it up
And even if we don't regard that issue as Canon Ghost riders character Arc he eventually turns on mephisto and beats him several times and uses his power to punish evil doers kind of Old testament style and also you have to admit a flaming motorcycles awesome
I think it can really teach Christians that the sinful monster you used to be doesn't have to define who you are today you can still choose to be a warrior for good
But I guess anyone believer or non-believer at the end of the day I could also just make the argument this is nothing but pure fiction I have noticed Christians always seem to get offended when Netflix shows or Marvel or DC shows parody God but no one ever seems to mind suspiciously when Family Guy does it?
And no I'm not accusing anyone here I just figured I'd address that because I find it kind of odd like I never see any internet backslash against Family Guy ever
So idk
To me at the end of the day these are nothing more than interesting stories and me as a person who really likes to write and me who actually really likes Cosmic genre like the Lovecraft books and ancient cultures like mythologies and as a Christian myself I enjoy writing Cosmic stuff like that I think writing ancient lore is probably the most interesting thing about writing a fiction is writing Lore for the world to fiction is based in
Whether it's lore based on actual existing mythologies or it's lore based on your own creativities
More than likely entirely depend on the person
But at the end of the day that's just my opinion and I'll respect anyone else's opinions here and I would love to respectfully hear anyone else's opinions but only in a respectful conversation because my problem with Christian opinions is not the opinions themselves it's just that they seem to always be angry when expressing it
Praise God I pray that all of you have blessed days
And I love you all as I love Jesus
Amen
No Karen's behind the scripts, strictly comic comic nerds here 🤣 . I respect your opinion and I think you do mine as well. I have been a comic nerd from as early as I can remember and a serious lore deep diver. So I only make videos on topics I know deeply about. I'm a Christian (which is obvious from the video), where I'll say I was only truly saved last year, but I grew up in a Christian household with a Christian mother who's #1 mission for her children was that they knew God above every thing else (education, even life itself it seemed at times 😂). Growing up I held onto these Christian characters mentioned and what ever Christian references I was able to pickup on. But as I did further research into the material and actually came into the understanding of the bible, I began to notice that the references weren't actually honoring God the way I thought and say many Christians proclaim. Something discussed at the 17:25 mark of the video.
Christians have what I call a "special ability" to pull a Christian Allegory or message out of anything, even when it is meant to blatantly blaspheme God. And there is nothing inherently wrong with that as I do believe God can use anything to reach anyone at anytime for his purpose and glory. I discussed this in depth in this video ruclips.net/video/zEFPne5YbQ0/видео.html. But the issue steps in when we put our allegorical 'good message' we were able to pullout over what the actual material is portraying. Yes, the message you were able to pull out may have moved on your heart and sometimes it is the move of the Holy Spirit ministering to you. But that doesn't necessarily mean he is giving an "It's okay to indulge in these things, even if it is made to go directly against His word". To me personally it's like reading the book of Hosea in the bible and making the conclusion "oh so it's okay to take a prostitute as a wife as a Christian because God used it to show forth his love to Israel". I know that sounds extreme, but it is what we Christian fictional nerds do towards our favorite pieces of fiction. There is nothing wrong with having a love for fiction. The issue as stated in the video is when we put the "good message" we get over the principles God has set before us in the bible. Not because we have to live a restricted and boring life, but as guardrails to help us from ourselves. That's the perspective I make these video from as a Christian comic book nerd and I hope you get what I mean 🙏🏿 .
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I think its more a case of people are more aware of and watch more Netflix, Marvel and DC than Family Guy especially among Christian circles. I can say I know of Family Guy but I have never in my 21 years of living sat down and watched an episode form start to finish. Mainly because (1) It was one of those shows growing up my mom filtered out from us watching because of the crude and crass nature of it. (2) Even in my late teen young adult phase of exploring and watching everything under the sun I wasn't able to while growing up. I still never had the interest in the show. So although that is my personal experience with it, I think it is probably similar to majority of Christians especially point #1. But I have watched compilations and clips that come across my social media feeds. Often is an eyeroll 🙄and scroll.
I took a look at your channel. You got some good stuff from what I briefly saw 😂
@@TheXplanations y'know what thank you, I was just glad to see someone who did research is all, have yourself a good one man
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Ghost Rider would be a false Christian story as well. He sold his soul to one of the beings that mirrors Satan. He eventually turns on "Satan". But he retains the powers of the evil one. They never mention the fact that he would have to turn to God/Christ in order to be redeemed from his sin and selling his soul to Satan. (Not a real thing BTW). So right there it spits in the face of God and Jesus Christ. And the fact that he kept the powers means that he is using the powers given to him by SATAN to pretend to be good. Any power that does not come from God would therefore come from Satan. (also being less powerful as Satan is not the enemy of God, but of us) And using anything of Satan is pretty much working for Satan. (A house divided cannot stand). So, no. Ghost Rider is not even close to a Christian story.
Im sorry to say this to you but, most superheros are based on christian mythos.
The very first christian hero came in the image of a holy knight, far from true the heroics of a medieval knights, but the mythos is basically a christian hero, like king Arthur and his knights.
This is the prototype of the modern super heros wich were already BORN as christian heros.
"The holy knights would roam the land helping those in need always in the search of the holy grail, only to discover at the end of their journey that the holy grail was always within their hearts in their love and loyalty for Christ."
The modern hero, or christian hero differ from the classical hero or greek heros because this are always seeking fame and glory, they could commit the most heinous acts as long as this lead them to the fame and glory, like Heracles who kill his own family when he was enraged.
And by the way, christian already know the biggest and only REAL super hero that ever lived, wich is Christ itself.
And well if you are a christian, but doesn't know the golden rule (love the others as you love yourself) well then you are NOT a christian, because this is the MOST BASIC THING you should know about christianity
@@efxnews4776 yeah what he said
Despite the conflict of Christianity and the traditional comic book mythos, as a christian, I don't care how they use my religion as long as it's respectful. I obviously don't equate Marvel's yahweh to The Lord, but I don't mind that he exists because it isn't hurting anyone. Fiction is meant to be enjoyed.
Oh indeed. The way I see it is that as, in canon of the comics, the readers exist as higher-dimensional beings, we can put God at the top of everything, where He has always been.
honestly I'm fine with it unless they do blasphemy.
Uhh, about your pfp... it comes from Homestuck, isn't it?
@@Sir_ScaravichII-0z8 Yes it is. Specifically, it's a panel of Vriska Serket.
@@themasterblaze7563 and How do you feel about Homestuck as a Christian?
Thanks for the video mate. As a Christian and a nerd, i struggle in the duality of it, and your video gave me a way to see. Thank you m8, God bless you and your loved ones!!
Really glad to hear it helped in that way as that was the goal.
FANTASTIC conclusion. Really had me concerned when watching this but completely agree with your conclusion. Stay sober and vigilant, brother
That's the aim and the mission.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention the Spectre. Jim Corrigan was explicitly Catholic, and his interactions with the Presence took on an explicitly Christian context (Michael Archangel serves as the Presence's emissary, for example). If I remember correctly, Ostrander studied theology, and you see a lot of that in the Spectre's interactions and attitudes during his run on the book. No, I don't think it did a good job of glorifying God, but I think Ostrander was trying to explore those themes in the comic.
Just about to mention this moment! He spoke about marvel and how they have the pantheon of "sky gods" and how TOAA was the only creator with everyone else falling under him, but didn't talk about marvel and how even though they also posses lowecase god like beings (trigon, nabu, all of the Greek pantheon due to wonder Woman, specific sandman charactersetc.) They also have Lucifer, Michael, and treat the Presence as how the angels would be with God, etc. None of them do a perfect job but I feel like the conversation goes deeper than "their God is not your God so don't follow their example when they talk about God". I think comics in general points a lot of fascinating concepts that many of us do not think about often time to time; a magician (often painted as evil practices in the Bible) that has absolute faith in the Christian God. Spider-man who lives in a Christian household (aunt May praying before she is interrupted by green Goblin, as well as her being the glue that holds today's Peter Parker to the hero side instead of slipping into his darker thoughts) already mentioned franklin, and night crawler (a god-like person who prays to a higher power, and a demon who is devoutly Catholic, putting God above all else).
It's a great way concept of " how would it play out if this kind of person lived in our world" without taking it too seriously. Id love to see his take on SCP - 343 from the SCP series. He's LITERALLY an individual who is supposed to be THE God of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc. It's a fascinating watch
The key is to use an idea as a vehicle to portray God's Love. Just simply proselytizing through exposition from the Christian characters is the issue that Christian content has of today.
I was always more into Batman and Robin because the weren’t super powered superheroes but just ordinary people.
I wouldn’t mind having more Christian media out there if we could actually make good content. Most of what we make is preaching to the choir or is just really lousy. Done right Christian media could rival secular media in any genre and show a better way and be a great witnessing tool. Unfortunately we tend to be a stereotype of ourselves. We can compete if we get out of our own way. We jam so much biblical references and Christian stereotypical living into or media that only the majority lukewarm Christians will enjoy it.
I love most of Young Justice. But I’ll be honest, I was taken back a bit by a few scenes in season 4. I’m talking about the scenes in the vid. That’s not to say there weren’t good episodes in season 4 tho. There were a lot of good lessons about relationships, family, sacrifice, etc.
Agreed.
I had no idea Dr Fate was a Christian. I'm genuinely surprised.
Dr. Fate as in the entity is not a Christian. In the Young Justice series, the Character (John Zatara) who gave up him self to be possessed to become Dr Fate is a Christian.
@@TheXplanations Yeh my Bad. I meant John Zatara. Not the Dr Fate Entity Specifically.
This is so good! Glad to see that this talks about how there are major conflicting ideas when it comes to depicting God or Jesus in media made for the mainstream that would fly over the heads of anyone who is not much prepared to identify these things. Got a new subscriber because this is very unique content!
Glad you enjoyed and really glad you picked up the on the message 🙏🏿😄.
I remember in Justice League Unlimited they had one member that was a literal crusader knight.
Yeah and he was one of the most honorable people on the show, I can't remember his name but I do remember his biggest accomplishment. He literally faced down the JLU version of doomsday (a general gone rouge no the canon monster doomsday) with a bunch of non meta humans, hopelessly overpowered and outmatched doomsday asked him why he even bothered fighting him in the first place. The crusader goes on to tell him a story where King Arthur ordered him to destroy a village with everyone in it because one day the village could pose a threat to his rule. After going to the village, and seeing all the poor, an innocent people in it, the crusader return to King Arthur threw down his sword and refused kings order. King Arthur then told him he had passed the test and inducted him into the round table. He explains that his story was the show that following orders isn't always right and sometimes you have to stand up for what is right, even if you must stand alone.
This actually got doomsday to stand down and rethink his morals. (Once again not the real doomsday a different story one)
Shining Knight, Sir Justin, standing against General Eiling. One of my favorite episodes of JLU.
@@raunjisto2925 that's the one THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! Imma look it up and watch it again!
@@raunjisto2925 love the line about the creeping moral decay of the last thousand years.
Never knew Santana's faith in God until today! 🤯 Thanks for sharing. ✝
DC portrays God as just another deity alongside the greeks and romans and all the like. So it is all a sham. Do not put your hopes in anything like that.
@@DarthPoynernot really. While I don't agree with putting the christian deities on a higher pediestal than the deities from other mythologies, in the case of DC, the Presence (who is basically the big G) is well above everyone else, so you are incorrect.
The presence has been Retconned out of DC Many Many years ago, especially the aspect of his being the analogous to the "Christian" ever since the Multiverse saga and coming into the new 52.
@@TheXplanations so who's the creator of the DC multiverse then?
Depending on the writer and what they feel like retconning in the story, It went from the Presence, to Perpetua, to an agreement between the Ultimate Light and Darkness in the universe. In essence, the "Presence is still the Supreme being". But they have stripped all the "Christian God" aspects that early writers gave to the presence. Now its more so an Allegory for author of the story. Similar to how marvel uses the One above all and from an agnostic approach. Check out my video on The presence where litteraly in the research and scripting process I witness the DC wiki being changed - ruclips.net/video/RgpDGByJGNA/видео.html
That X-Men Nightcrawler episode is so beautiful.
I wouldn’t consider Zatara turning to Naboo as deceitful because he was quite literally fated to be a prisoner under the mask. From the moment he put it on the first time he pretty much didn’t have a choice. They even mentioned how during his time with Zatanna that if he tried to avoid putting the mask on fate would have it so that he NEEDED to put it on. The prayer he says I see as him asking for forgiveness from trusting another god. As a result his bargain is accepted and he is freed of the mask.
Our perspective to Zatara wasn't necessary to the mask and Naboo, though it was inclusive as we quoted Judges 2:17, and how incongruent it was. We were more on the aspect of a "Christian sorcerer" which even after he was freed from the mask with the rotation cycle of the 3 younger magic members. he still was a 'Christian Sorcerer".
@@TheXplanations fair enough, I still disagree but I can see and respect your side
God gives out his message in many ways
He also gives the tools in which to judge these things. And then tells us not to fall for the tricks of the enemy. So while he can use anything for his Glory, we should not confuse what is Christian and what is not.
Amen my Christian brother✝️🔥🕊️
I remember having a conversation with another comic book fan that was a Christian, and he was saying that since biblical figures were mentioned in comic books then i must have a liking to religion. Then i told him that if liking or believing in religion requires me to like comic books, then that would mean he would also have to like or believe in Norse, Hindu, Greek, Roman, Aztec, Mayan, and Chinese mythology since they are also prevalent in comic books. He immediately unfollowed me on Instagram lmao
That is GOLD!! 😂. Don't worry there will be no unfollowing around here.... 74 relpy chains....probably 😬
I am, at a personal level, fervently anti-theist. But I'm also a writer, so I do recognise the human value in the exploration and representation of religion. I'm usually limited to non-christian analysis of christian media, because the christian ones tend to be more interested in propagandizing or crying about wokeness than in talking about what makes good christian art.
So is pretty refreshing to find a small channel like this. Great vid, and I hope this keeps going and growing.
I haven't reached the part about Daredevil yet, he's my favorite superhero so I'll enjoy this a lot
Thanks for the kind words and I do appreciate it, you are one of the few non Christian folks that have left a non "crusader mindset", "it's just fiction bro, your overreacting basing your life off of a stupid book" type comments. There is legit a 110 reply chain with comment that are as long as some of my video scripts at this point with those kinds of statements.
And it is really cool to see someone who isn't even a person of faith recognize the goal of the channel. It's really to cut through the noise, and the "thick fog" of a bad rep Christian entertainment has rightfully garnered. As well as to provide my perspective to what I like and don't like of Christian representation in mainstream ips like I did in this video. Because alot of "Christian characters" and themes are being written into stories by folks who open profess to despise God and Religion, Marvel's recent Judgment Day series was my turnoff point. It feels like the reverse of how atheist in Christian work were written in the most cringey way possible. Christian character these days are written in a way to intentionally piss off Christian audiences. But let me not go into that as I have as I have a lot of videos on those topics.
Anyway man I know this comment turned out to be longer than I expected, I kind of do get passionate in the comments from time to time with comments like this. Also just want to say I wish you the best with your writing projects as well.
Great video! As a Christian it feels nice to be represented at all in a very secular culture and popular culture. Many people view Christian beliefs as a default in the west so they don't need to be expressed or explored in media. 64% or so of U.S. Americans identify broadly as Christian but when you look at practicing denominations they are only each of 3 categories between 10 to 15%. Even still many don't practice or consider their faith in their daily lives. There's also a cultural perception of faith and spiritual belief being backwards and bigoted something to be privately held not expressed. I admit guilt in this, I rarely bring up or express my beliefs even among trusted friends and loved ones fearing argument or ridicule.
Also I find interesting that DC seems to tend to viewing the supernatural and morality in a combination of Christian and Eastern Mysticism. Moral ideas and conflicts often arise when these meet an Example being Batman being a hardline logical pacifist, akin to Amish/Quaker beliefs, versus the ruthless mysticism of The League Of Shadows. Whereas, Marvel despite major characters being Catholic or Christian such as Daredevil and Captain America, seems to explore cosmically and view the universe as multifaceted without black and white, I personally see it sharing much in common with Kabbalism and other mysticism. The Abrahamic elements just being a smaller part of that in wider stories with a few occasional nods to character's personal belief or the concept of a penultimate universal "God" but never really "The God." One example being Captain America in Avengers 2012 saying "There's only one God mam, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that." Which the director himself didn't like but he wanted in because it fit his Character. I think with Marvel in particular religion is just another character trait thrown on like a Pizza topping. With the Fox Kids X-Men as an outlier as it was specifically made under at the time very strict guidelines saturday morning cartoons to be appealing to the moral crowd.
You're absolutely right in regards to what one lets into their home. Because I got a story in regards to that. I was little when this happened, it was when my brother was staying with my folks. (my brother was from my mom's previous marriage) They didn't know it at the time but he had brought some music home with him from his dad's. Some very bad music. How did my parents find out?
Well my dad turned on the Seven Hundred club....when both he and mom saw a little black demon come racing out of the T.V set. It dashed down the hallway and at first my dad was afraid it was headed for my room but instead it ran for my brother's. My dad immediately confronted my brother about this and asked him what did he bring home from his dad's. Thats how they found out about the music.
So I'm telling this to all of you reading this. Be CAREFUL what you watch and what you let into your home. Cause just because you're unaware of what certain material might be at the core, doesn't mean other entities don't. Entities that're jumping at the bit to get in and corrupt.
The 700 club is run by the lordship salvationist false prophet Pat Robertson. His "Christian broadcast network" or cbn, is nothing short of a papist propaganda channel.
A lot of people will make fun of you for the "little black demon" part. But what they won't understand is that God can give the ability of discernment in order to alert you to spiritual dangers.
And to back that up anecdotally, many years ago my wife had bought a copy of "The Blair Witch" movie on VHS from work and brought it home. When she was at work I watched it. The movie itself wasn't that scary and not that great to be honest. But soon I started feeling tormented in my own home. And my wife who had not even watched the thing started feeling things as well. Eyes watching us at night. Spots in a corner that were darker than the areas around it.
Eventually, both of us prayed and claimed the blood of Jesus over our home. We claimed the home as ours by right in the spirit, commanded all unclean spirits to leave in the name of Jesus, and then destroyed the VHS tape. All the feelings and strange appearances went away that night.
Let them laugh, but it is real.
Oh no! Was it that evil rock n' roll?
Marvel movies: 🤡
Marvel comics: ✝️🍷🗿
Very surprised you didn't go more in depth with Daredevil. In a recent run by Chip Zdarsky Daredevil is playing chess with Reed Richards (the smartest man alive) and straight up asks him "Reed, do you believe in God?" To which Reed responds with, "I'm not sure." Explaining that he's seen everything the multiverse has to offer but even through all that he can't deny the existence of God.
It was mainly because I touching on Characters from shows I binged prior to making the video. I included the clips of him in and others in the rapid-fire section because they come up often in the conversation.
That sounds like an interesting run, I have not been keeping up to date with recent Marvel stuff. Also haven't had the desire to make these kinds of breakdowns all year. Been looking into Christian Comics and stories instead.
Mainly means he can't confirm it
It kinda depends on how you look at the Marvel Universe.
Technically the creator of the Universe there are the real world writers themselves so that just adds a whole other layer
subbed. Great video.Def going to watch the other videos you have.
Glad you enjoyed....😄🙏🏿
Illuminator would be complex, more powerful if have more faith, if becomes super powerful, how to put pride in check and not lose faith and power? Nice video, thansk!
Jesus loves you
I think there is no wrong, make your own fan-fiction story, and superheroes.
Most of all the characters are Christians and have faith to God. Because this is what I really want.
But the superpowers that I choose are animal spirits.
Then you are delusional and will fall for anything they try to sell you. If you are an actual Christian then you are called upon to seek the truth and not succumb to the lies. If you are not Christian, then feel free to live in that delusion so long as it makes you feel nice and warm.
I just hope you come to the truth before it is too late.
Lol, sorry guy, it not up to you to decide if other existing people's characters should be Christian or not, its however the creator chooses what's in or out.
If every existing hero followed your asteration of what it means to be a true hero , it would get old real quick and uncreative.
This is a great video brother. It brings up some really good points about how these shows try to mesh Christ with the world.
Glad you enjoyed my Brother 🙏🏿. That was the goal 😄.
Something I found interesting rewatching the recent Guardians of the Galaxy movie is just how much religious themes present themselves, particularly in the second half of the film. This shouldn't be surprising to anybody who understands the troubled production of the movie and the importance Chris Pratt's faith played in keeping spirits up. I think it demonstrates where Christianity works in superhero media, with a vague implication that there are higher powers at play, as opposed to attempts to incorporate Christian cosmology into comics canon, which often comes across as cringey or even insensitive.
Ironically, the idea of an unseen power greater than even the so-called gods and equivalents that guides the universe towards justice (if sometimes by a surprising route) is much more accurate to the actual Christian experience of God than an attempt by atheist writers to shoe-horn in references to Revelations or whatever.
I like story of John constantine, like he is selfish , dark magicion , but he have his redemtion arc
I actually like when a series shows religion/religions in them weather real or fictional as it shows something everyone is trying to find a purpose or higher meaning in life.
In the recent x-men 97 nightcrawler did pull out a cross and prayed I think this aged well , but the concept of Christianity let alone any religion doesn’t make sense when you literally have people such as Thor and Wonder Woman literally right in front of you
Plus the after life has been showen in the dc and marvel universe and it’s quite different some ways then modern religions
This was good and very informative! I totally agree, they are calling good evil and evil good and many don’t see that.
@@TheXplanations This is so true. It’s easy to look past it because it’s dear to us not realizing the hidden messages and how we can easily desensitized with this.
Glad you enjoyed. Yeah, These characters are a key part of some of our fondest childhood memories. And because of this these memories and feelings towards this characters we are at times unable see the scriptural flipping's and contrary things being portrayed in our Favorite shows and Movies. (Just Replacing Comments they got deleted after moving to a Brand Account for more flexibility)
Friend there are many ways to share God's message to many people social media is actually gone ballistic these days there are people and foreign countries who don't get to go to church at all some foreign countries but if there's a way to reach people with a message of Jesus Christ and that they receive it and they start realizing that they are loved by him and that he gives them happiness and not the world then that is a beautiful thing to be rewarded by those are my prayers and my blessings I pray that whoever is behind the cartoon and marvel and DC Christian perspective towards this and cartoons to reach people and add some Christian words to it and helping people come to Christ and to know who he is and this is beautiful and that there is no wrong in this ☀️✨💫🙏
@@TheXplanations thanks you 🙏💫✨☀️✝️💖🔥🔥🔥🔥
Glad you enjoyed.
I truly appreciate this video. Keep up the good work
They truly do have the power of God and anime on their side.
As a Christian i don't except every show to be religious, if he teaches good morals like sacrifice for others, compassion, altruism, i do like it, it doesn't have to be religious to be good, i really enjoy these shows
love your video man, i think this was a video needed because it really has not been addressed as of yet. and it is a nice spotlight on the side of these stories. being christian myself and #Trinidadian and #Guyanese
I love nightcrawler so much.
The Shazam family says grace in the first movie. Billy wasn't really into it though.
They said grace but there was no mention of God. They kept it vague which I was extremely disappointed in
Matthew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (Ye workers of iniquity in the King James)
This trope seems to be more prevalent with Ghost Rider and Spectre and I love it
Thank yo so much !! This was very informative.
Glad you found it helpful.
When it comes to different perspectives spiritual things someone once told me eat the fish and spit out the bones
Are they written as atheists by default? Most are probably agnostic.
Probably more agnostic? Was thinking about from it from the perspective of when they fight literal 'gods' after breakfast and travel the universe to defeat cosmic beings. I don't most of them think there is 'God' in the Christian sense out there. And most of the writers are atheist writing from their world view like Kiren Gillan stated about the Judgement Day event from last year.
There is a difference between fictional media that is, you know, fictional, and real life origins of the universe and Christain belief. The marvel universe having a different cosmology as the real life one doesn't make it anti-christain or a "warping of scripture." It just makes it a fictional universe with it's own unique origins unrelated to christain doctrine. You can't call something "blasphemy" when it's not trying to be an 100% exact replication of christain belief in building it's cosmology. And I get being willing to be possessed by a powerful spirit being isn't a very christain thing to do, but using magic to help people is. It's not like magic in the DC universe is obtained from a deal with the devil like it usually is in real life, it's just a natural gift some people have that is neither good or evil. As Castlevania once said, "It's not the powers that are explicitly good or evil, it's how people use them." People like Soma, Miriam, Alucard, etc have "dark powers", but they didn't choose to have those powers and they use those powers explicitly for good. That seems like a pretty christain thing to do, to use the gifts God has given you to help others. Same thing goes here.
17:27 the Illuminator sounds dope! I would love to get to be revised for the modern day.
I’d say in regards to doctor fate and Zatara being that God knows all and everything that is was and will be he knows Zatara will do this for a time but return in his light and be redeemed. Like a soldier at war who must do against God’s teachings for a time for the good of all isn’t immediately deemed irredeemable. At least as a Catholic that’s my view
I think that since Nabu in the Young Justice universe is completely different than he is in the Bible due to him existing and serving a just purpose, Zatara becoming his host doesn't contradict him being Christian, it only contradicts Nabu's portrayal in the Bible (which is still worth criticizing due to the fact that this contradiction is never acknowledged). Also Khalid talking about being Muslim in the same episode is simply showing how people have different religious beliefs that are important to them and isn't downplaying the validity of Zatara being Christian or whatever you were implying.
In Young Justice, Vandal Savage is revealed to have been Marduk in ancient Babylon with Nabu as his son. These characters are the same Babylonian gods that are mentioned in the Bible but with a DC twist on their origin stories, which makes the command not to serve them still relevant in universe. Nabu himself exists to serve the lords of order, not justice and certainly not the true God. You can't honor God by serving other gods. In the same way, you can't honor God by performing sorcery when He specifically commanded against it. The problem with DC trying to incorporate muslims and christians into their show is that monotheistic beliefs are by nature incompatible with the pantheon of gods and religions shown to exist in the universe. The writers of the show clearly don't understand the beliefs of Christians or Muslims based on how they portray Khalid, Violet, and Zatara and would be better off leaving real world religions out of the picture.
Pretty much hit the nail on the head right there.
@rainydaydoodler I honestly agree. I was thinking of it more as "Zatara serving Nabu was important for the planet's protection, so God's reasoning for not serving other gods wouldn't apply in this case.", when the fact that the lords of order and Nabu exist and serve an important purpose in the first place makes the DC universe incompatible with the Bible. I guess I was really quick to defend the show because it's one of my favorite superhero shows and I wanted to believe that the Christian representation was done well, which it really wasn't and can't be in a universe that's incompatible with Christianity.
@@jax99hax Yeah I get the appeal. I think Young Justice has a lot of great characters, plots, and world building; the animation is probably my favorite out of any superhero cartoon. That being said, the last couple of seasons were just so heavy with dark magic, the new gods, and then trying to merge actual religion into that that I stopped watching around the Atlantis arc. I know a lot of those elements were there all along, but at a certain point it just seemed wrong. It felt like christianity was being portrayed in the same light as the fictional martian religion. Like it's something that exists to offer people comfort and tradition but has no actual impact on reality.
@@jax99hax God himself can protect the planet alone. Besides doctor fate is possessed by nabu anyways and as such nabu is a demon.
Christianity is such a beautiful thing, when it doesn't condemn the vast majority of people who've ever lived, to eternal torment.
So when you arent a stric protestant/Clavinist?
The og Nightcrawler is a man we should aspire to be like
The other detail is that just because we believe in Him, it does not by that mean that we properly *comprehend* Him; that's a critical detail; but likely as not: these characters and us are both coworkers, simple as that; and are to be seen as that. I mean, if we could only accept *Perfect* Christians; there'd be only *2* in the entire existence of the human race; and the entire human race would basically have died off; so no, I do NOT consider these renditions decietful, not in the least: inaccurate/incomplete? Yes, but they are not lying to us, not by a long-shot; nor are they even trying to... He doesn't relish the destruction of the erronious, but the editing of the errornious so that the error itself ceases to exist.
Regarding biblical passages: remember; especially the old testament has some of by far the *worst* conduct imaginable, even *Commanded* by "god"; so no, don't trust Him blindly, and above all: take the *worst* elements of those who follow Him and hold those up as His directives, due precisely to His regal office to begin with. Now Christ Himself, in His approach, would stand athwart your stance, and mine, on the basis of these being His coworkers, due to them having signed the same contract as we ourselves did; a contract not easily broken, nor should it *ever* be broken at that... as the only way to break it is to assault a coworker for instance.
you forgot the best hero of them all
BIBLEMAN
The goal of these characters is not to check some box nor is it to give reverence to God. It is simply to portray the characters the way they are, Daredevil isn't a Catholic superhero, he's a superhero who is Catholic. It's not meant to be the main focus of his character.
i may be wrong since it's been a while since watched it but i'm fairly sure that toei spiderman is a catholic
i remember there being a scene where he straight up goes to church and prays to mary when he's feeling down
Hey all of this may not be totally accurate and doctrinally sound all the way but there is a lot of good material here that I hope plant seeds in people's hearts and i think that is a good thing and the point of what God is at least trying to do here
100% agree with you on that, and that kind of was the point of the video, which I hope was expressed in our closing.
@@TheXplanations yes you did a great job of explaining it we just need to pray that people read the word of God because most folks don't and that is very sad
I like it and I get what you are saying, but I think the point is a little more nuance than "is it showing reverence or not".
Like the Franklin scene can be argue 'cause within the same scene of him giving thanks, he also put several others and even Satan on the same mantel. You can argue that Franklin is being a metaphor for GOD and how he tolerates those he loves-- Franklin knows the future and knows what will happen and how to stop it from happening, but Franklin doesn't force his loves ones to do what he wants. Again someone can argue that it's a blasphemous lefty scene used to devalue Christian beliefs.
Or like Stan and Kirby, Stan (when he did touch on it) always used Gospel as a metaphor to push the conflict of the character (like the relation between Dare Devil and The Punisher), while Kirby wrote full out allegories for the purpose to express his philosophies on life, GOD and mankind. One can argue is it is reverence if the source of their fables was taken from the Gospel, or if it was pretentious 'cause there is a chance of either warping or twisting the original message (like the Golden Rule).
Last Example is Dr. Fate-- I get what you are saying, but I think you are seeing it from a bad angle. I think the point of Dr. Fate is touching not on "Christ in Christianity" but "Why Christ" and display a Baptist view. Yes, it is silly how he got there [there's an argument in that but that's a digress] but we are introduced to the "source" of his power; his drive, God and his daughter. And he gives up those two things for what he thought was the greater good-- in other words he sacrificed his self. And yes that can look like a disowning his faith for power, or it can be the set up for a story about Grace. He sacrificed his body and daughter for what he thought was the best thing he could do at the time, but he never gave up on his faith [that was the point of the Islamic lady; to parallel him]. He was protected under the Grace of GOD, thus making his hardship a trial; not a betrayal.
And after all of that he was repentive about his action... and he was forgiven.
I get what you are saying and I do not disagree, but I must say that reverence (in terms of Nostalgic and Commercial Art) doesn't have to be wholly on the nose. It can either respect the themes of Christ, direct towards his authority, or address/ reflect the teachings of Christ.
Now current Marvel-- yeah, you are right. After Stan/Kirby Marvel [the last was Marvel Now], Marvel built its lore and reality on an atheist dream [literally]. Ultimate's was blasphemous trash. Mark Waid and Bendis laid the foundation for Ultimate and current Marvel and they have a track record of their hatred for Christ.
Glad you liked it and I get what you are saying, there is a lot of nuance to it all of course. Its the major reason why I end videos with the statement "These videos are not to tell you what to or not to watch read or play, but so that you simply blindly consume." Because as I told another person in a comment under this video;
Christians have what I call a "special ability" to pull a Christian Allegory or message out of anything, even when it is meant to blatantly blaspheme God. And there is nothing inherently wrong with that as I do believe God can use anything to reach anyone at anytime for his purpose and glory (I can testify he did so with me). I discussed this in depth in this video ruclips.net/video/zEFPne5YbQ0/видео.html. But the issue steps in when we put our allegorical 'good message' we were able to pullout over what the actual material is portraying. Yes, the message you were able to pull out may have moved on your heart and sometimes it is the move of the Holy Spirit ministering to you. But that doesn't necessarily mean he is giving an "It's okay to indulge in these things, even if it is made to go directly against His word".
The main thing with the analysis which I think you caught (And I really appreciate that) is to measure the "Christian Characters" according to the standard God set out for us in the bible in CONTEXT (A bit of an application of 1 John 4:1-6 onto fictional characters). Not from a fundamentalist Everything Bad view that people often think is the perspective of the channel. But simply from that of a Christian who was and still is a fan of all things fiction and spend way too much time doing research into it 🤣. Often times some Christians take these Christian scenes or as another commenter stated 'Christianess' and run with it WHOLESALE!! But as I mentioned not every mention of God is in reverence to Him. You even mentioned about new Marvel, when I was younger I thought Al Ewing and Bendis where honoring God with the Ultimate comics. As well as The One Above all in Marvel and the presence in DC. But it was clearly FAR FROM IT. And you would be surprised how much Christians fight the dying battle to prove its in honor to God on Forums and in comment sections. When the authors themselves profess that it isn't. Even on the argument of Stan and Kirby. Good Fight Ministries has been doing a documentary series into the very inception of early golden age characters with Gospel references and it really isn't in Reverence in any shape or fashion either.
@@TheXplanations This, ALL DAY, THIS! The Holy Spirit can use anything to speak to your heart, but it does not make these stories Christian. We as Christians are called to make judgements on anything that claims to be of God. And even to the most cursory examination, these characters do not hold up.
"An atheist dream literally"
Huh?
@@user-vi4xy1jw7e He is referring to the the statements from authors of recent Marvel stories that retcon the work of Stan/Kirby's. Particularly on the cosmic front it has been insane on the Anti-Christ aspect. Before it was just purely fictional stuff when it comes to cosmic beings, even though Kirby said he came up with Galactus and Silver surfer by going to the bible. Then Jason Arron the guy who made gor the god butcher was on X-Games mode. And now we are past a point of no return after judgement day in my opinion. A video where I compiled all these statements that might interest you - ruclips.net/video/IEawFJUk4pk/видео.html (I was kidda piped up when I made this video so do look out for that)
@@user-vi4xy1jw7e At times it feels like I am the only person that read the "Incursion arc" and "Doom-World/ Battle-World".
During Hickman's run of FF [Future Foundation; not the Fantastic Four], there was a guest author and a series of guest artists during the final few in-between issues. In one of those issues, Reed suddenly announced that he was an atheist.
Not only did this argue against the story that was being told between his self and Doom, along with undermining Doom's WHOLE ARC, but it was jammed in there. It really came out of left field. It derailed the story, revealed nothing, said nothing, and went no where. Hell, this "revelation" even arguably undermines the ending of Battle/Doom-World.
At the end, he gets the gauntlet back and remake all the multiverse, dimensions, realms, reality itself in his [Reed's] image-- an image that he not too long ago announced that he didn't believe in GOD and rejected the very notion.
That is how current Marvel began. That is the origin of "All New Marvel". It is not the same Marvel-- literally and figuratively.
Personally I believe a good take away from all of this is to remember who God is in our lives and how we treat Him in anything we do, especially fiction as fiction is where we express creativity and art. Using these tools to glorify God is what would be the best representation of Christianity. Essay below lol.
To elaborate: Another comment talked about having the world be compatible with Christianity which I think works but to make for an interesting work, have this book challenge Christianity. We need to be challenge and learn to answer questions. How would a person who follows Christ attempt to answer questions in a world where aliens, demons, physical gods, and such can be interacted and seen? How would they deal with fighting against crime? What about dealing with the morally difficult reasons that anyone can understand and take as a reason to do crime such as revenge, robbing to get money and save a life, or rebellion against oppressive systems, and especially dealing with what can feel to be an absence of God in other's lives?
Christianity can present many interesting answers to commonly answer questions that comics take of defeating evil and saving the day in ways that aren't as supernatural and some comic book heroes can do that without being Christian themselves. But another interesting plot to follow can be Christianity in the normal life that deals with these fantastical elements which could showcase and paint a picture of struggling to maintain faith in the situation and how they would live with it. Imagine say a world of other gods that exist and are physical. They use their powers for anything, good, evil, or whatever else and gain followings for reasons that could likely stomp out the faith in Islam or Christianity and any other beliefs. How would you write a character that rejects the belief in physical gods to choose Christianity?
tl;dr - Use your imagination to challenge Christianity and learn to answer it in a way that glorifies God and helps others learn.
How come the Nightcrawler movie doesn't seem to have that kind of theme? Haven't watched it yet tho but the XMen cartoons is just 👍.
I don't even remember those scenes but I am happy to know they were in there.
Another thing about the doctor fate scene: Zatara cuts the Lord’s Prayer off early, conveniently leaving out “for thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory forever and ever” as a way of denying God acknowledgement of his omnipotence.
The version of the Lord's Prayer I know ends before that line. The only time we speak the final verse is during the Mass, and even then it's separated from the Lord's Prayer by an additional prayer spoken by the Priest, "Deliver us, Lord, we pray, from every evil, graciously grant peace in our days, that, by the help of your mercy, we may be always free from sin and safe from all distress, as we await the blessed hope and the coming of our Saviour, Jesus Christ." Afterwards the final line of the Lord's Prayer is said in unison.
I watched a movie some years ago (Air Force One, I think) where a woman recited the Lords prayer over the phone and included the final verse and I was so confused, because again, I've never heard it used in personal prayer before.
I have a little problem with your heavy accent so I misunderstood the video at first. As the first half rolled on I was writing paragraphs about why each of these characters was not a true Christian and therefore spitting in the face of God and Jesus. Then when you hit a bit after the half way point and started to debunk them, you said nearly everything I had written down. Just about every point I had. These characters are Hollywood Christians. Not true believers.
The only other point I would add to your ending is that NONE of them mention or claim anything in the name of Jesus Christ. And while all glory and honor is to God the father and we pray to him alone, we also are to take authority in the name of Jesus Christ as our example of how to live.
The Hollywood machine, like Satan, can pretend to honor God and say that they love God all day long. But they cannot claim the gift of grace born from the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Those that are not true Christians can never fully claim to be so without outing themselves to someone who is a true Christian. They Always manage to betray the bible in some way.
Which is why we, as Christians, MUST read and learn the word of God in order to not be fooled by these people.
Even though he is ultimately false, I love the idea of Nightcrawler. To my understanding, he is the closest to being a true Christian. Probably even more so than the Illuminator that I never knew anything about. Until you find out that his power has him moving through the realms of Limbo for milliseconds. And in the Marvel Universe Limbo is a realm of Hell filled with Demons. So all that good will goes right out the window.
Yeah you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Glad you got message as well even with the difficulties with the accent. This was one of my first videos, so I was still adjusting for a worldwide audience, after this one I started to speak much slower for video recording so all can understand, thanks for feedback on that.
@@TheXplanations I think you are doing great. I hope that my criticism is constructive and I will be looking at your other videos. Especially the ones about the Christian comic.
@@DarthPoyner Constructive for sure. Given that we share similar views I honest think you would love the Remnant, It just hits all the right boxes for me.
This video was great. Including something that most modern prosperity gospel teaching missing. You have to be on guard for the subtle way the enemy enters your mind.
I think there's a valuable argument to be made relating to that Young Justice episode about "magic", and religion, in a world where magic can be manifested, sometimes as a born ability, similarly to how in that world some people are born with super strength, or the ability to generate fire.
The dilemma here is that notion that using magic as a tool to help others goes against the teachings of your religion.
When we try to compare that idea to real life topics we might run into medical topics where a family member will reject a treatment that might save their loved one because it contradicts a particular aspect of their beliefs, or the classic denial of organ donation from your deceased relative, which could save a life.
Religion can be interpreted in different ways, what's part of a Christian's routine is seen as shameful by another Christian.
Magic in many fictional works can be seeing as just another super power, sometimes arguably as a blessing placed upon you, other times it is comparable with science, as it requires study and technic to be performed. Would you say it goes against God to perform medical procedures created by science to save a life?
I've always seen those kinds of advancements as something we can develop thanks to the way God designed us, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..."
Couldn't manipulating reality, if one learned how, also fall under that same logical umbrella?
At the end of the day, it's up to the character, to decide if they are doing what they believe is the right thing, a discussion that regardless of the cosmology of their universe, is relevant in our own.
Bro I was so utterly shocked when they brought up Christianity in a good light in young justice. Especially since they were really buying into the lgbtq stuff in the same season and most shows nowadays only ever portray Christianity as anti lgbtq.
As a catholic, the only thing we have a problem with is homosexual acts like sex between two people of the same gender. Gay people are still people and allowed to have partners as long as they do not comet sexual acts and of course marry as marriage in the Catholic Church is for the purpose of sex and reproduction, which is why we tend to be kinda strict about sex, but believe me, we have nothing against it. The reason we prefer to wait till marriage for sex is because of responsibility which I think is very fair. God wants both parents to be there for their kids.
And as for trans people, we believe the bodies we are given are gifts and it’s considered a sin to change it’s self to another gender. I know it’s complicated with gender dismorfia but there are people who have those things and have chosen not to transition.
If you don't let them to do their thing, sorry but you're discriminating pal. About the reproduction issue, there is still in-vitro, and surrogating
@@zanir2387 And we are supposed to be discriminant against sin. First off I disagree with the original poster that we should "let" them have partners. God destroyed an entire city due to sin and corruption including that of homosexuality.
But we live in a world filled with sinners. While we are called to condemn the sin we are to love the sinner. And loving the sinner includes letting them know that they are sinning. It is in the very definition of love. How else are they to know that they need to be forgiven and accept the gift of grace from the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
So while we are not to demonize them nor torture them physically or socially, we cannot accept their sin as righteous and good.
Do not be afraid to discriminate against sin. To not accept it. And do not be afraid to judge others. We are commanded to do these things. Only refrain from passing judgment (condemning) on those who sin. As that is the domain of God alone.
"We"
Really speaking for all catholics, huh? Your denomination can't even agree on some concepts like Purgatory and Limbo. Lol
So you don’t have problems with gay people so long as they don’t do the one thing that makes them gay? That’s real big of you pal! That’s the same thing as saying that you don’t hate Christians so long as they don’t believe in god! People like you are exactly why Christians are portrayed the way they are in popular media!
Gheys and trans are going to hell
Sir I loved your video and I agree with everything you said!
Glad you enjoyed the message.
Surprised spawn wasn’t talked about
I know this is comic, but in manga there is also Cygnus Hyoga from Saint Seiya, who is Christian, it's one of those weird stories, since he serves Athena and fights against other greek gods, but he still believes, he even mentions his faith later. Also it has something interesting, because the anime wasn't finished until many years later so Toei tried to adapt the last part in a movie which was the fight against Hades but using Lucifer. At the end of the movie the protagonist actually asks the Christian god for help.
It’s interesting though anytime I saw anything like this or others inserted ideologies they just give me a laugh
But does the show not being Christian really mean the characters being Christian is somehow invalid? I'm not understanding the problem here. From what I gather, you seem to try to relate the character's worlds not having a Christian basis, to somehow in a way invalidate the character's faith. Like eith Zatara, you somehow try to invalidate his status as a Christian because he, in order to save people, had to submit his body to a different god. He didnt switch faith and makes it clear. And if God knows, which He would, that the only reason he did it was to save people and not because he believed or wanted to follow this god, then why would He have a big problem as you imply? He would know the circumstances and situation so why do you assume He'd be so crossed. Sorry but this video just doesn’t seem right. This doesnt seem like a critique on Christian portrayal in cartoons but moreso an invalidation of the Christianess of some characters because their world isnt Christian based, and not because they aren't or changed their minds. Im not seeing the valid critique or observations here
Hey Spectre Bagel appreciate the comment. To clarify, the goal of video wasn't to 'invalidate' but to simply measure the Portrayal of Christians in Fiction where in this case we look at Zatara and Nightcrawler. According to the biblical standard setout by the bible. Many often take the slightest 'Christian' reference in any show and pass it off as a really good thing. But when you actually know the Bible you quickly notice how convoluted and anti-Biblical the 'Christian Portrayals are' And I touched on that at 21:20 . You even touched on 'Wouldn't God be okay with Zatara using the powers of Naboo for Good?' The DC portrayal of the 'Christian God'? Probably sure. But the One true God who gave us a standard to live by according to his word. Most Definitely not if we are going according to HIS Word. And not the 'well I think God will understand the circumstance and situation." Even the circumstance and Situation is shunned upon by God in Judges 2:17. And then the Whole Chaos and Order Lords Saga that Naboo comes out from is a whole other topic. In the end The overall goal of video was to point out "Just because we hear something Christian ('Christianess' as you said which I agree with) does not mean it is giving "Reverence and Honor to God, as many like to make it out to be". This isn't me saying not to watch shows with Christian Characters like this even though I stated my reservations with some of themes Evident that I saw while binging the show. But to just look at any 'Christian' Theme in anything and make sure it lines up with what the word of God says. I see that you are in the comments replying to others & I think my Convo with @m91trooperfilms76 might interest you as I do go further on my perspective on Christian themes as well.
@@TheXplanations Yes. And beyond even that, do you want to claim something is a thing when it is clearly not? That's like watching a British history show that claims one of their female monarchs was black when it is a complete lie and then using that as a basis of truth. It just makes you look foolish no matter what you are trying to prove.
@@DarthPoyner This.......literally isn't the same thing as what you described😅. The characters were made to be Christian, regardless of how you think of the execution, but the actual historic figures were never actually black. These are 2 separate issues you are conflating to make a point
Thanks for the video! Helped me with a Christian project im cooking up!
Glad to help man, I wish you all the best in your endeavors 😆🙏🏿
Religious Adherents website has a big database on all religious beliefs of most comic characters, even non-DC and non-Marvel ones.
Christianity would really really limited what they wanna tell
It would only be limited by your lack of knowledge on the subject. Christianity has tons of lore that I could pull from and tons of interesting concepts, in fact, many traditional stories of good and evil, even Arthurian legends, originate from biblical concepts in biblical stories that are found in the Bible.
I do not agree with your conclusions as I think the writers are taking a different approach than is assumed. From my experience, writers take inspiration from the bible not as a revered text but as a culturally significant text and, instead of centering faith, centers a character’s relationship to their faith. Ultimately the most popular stories in comics are character dramas that so happen to be super hero media. As such, religion will be an aspect, or a major aspect of a character, but not the aspect of a character. Going to church you don’t have just christians, but christian athletes, christian gamers, christian book nerds, etc.
Tone is difficult to convey in text, so know that I do not mean this next line as confrontational. Throughout history, religion has been a mix of core doctrines and folk practices, as such there has not been A christianity but a myriad, as such, there cannot be a way to depict christianity in a character. Further still, most super stories are based on western ideals, which are in turn based on a zeitgeist christian ideology. Christianity is living, and as such those who live around it reshape it. If we assume a set in stone version of christianity, which many do as most hold high regard for the bible and believe in divine inspiration, then it will take on the same cultural characteristics of other set in stone faiths such as the hellenistic pantheons or the norse gods, mythical, dead, and to be repurposed; in a sense, something to build new myths with.
Kinda went a few different directions, but thank you for your time. Stay safe out there.
He may not be a "Super" Hero, but Fallout New Vegas' Joshua Graham is a really good Christian Hero.
I came here for intellectual content and I'm very disappointed.
As a Christian I'm offended by your narrow minded and antichristian philosophies and, if you wanted any advice, mine would be to take a good, long look at the world around us and contemplate how complex and nuanced everything is and ask yourself, honestly, if these frankly medieval and primitive worldviews do anything in service to God or, alternatively, actually act against his message and commandments.
Life isn't binary nor is it simple and God is far more complex even than that.
"Narrow minded and Antichristian philosophies".... you got that from this video, really? Even with how I ended the video? I can get the "Narrow minded" for wanting to look at everything in life through a Biblical Lens and what you said about "....complex and nuanced....". but "Antichristian", for looking at everything through the lens of God's word and his standard? Not in the way of condemning everything to hell but judging everything according to his word as he has called us to do. If doing that is antichristian then I'll rep that label because that's a first.