The Car Everyone Asked For And NOBODY Bought! FIAT Tipo
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- Опубликовано: 25 фев 2024
- Fiat's World Car has been a sales disaster, far from catapulting Fiat to true a competitor to Toyota, the Tipo has proven to be a sales flop even in the developing world it was designed to conquer. Today I drive it and find out why it has failed to sell..
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This model (named Fiat Aegea) is 3/5 of all cars sold in Turkey. We're talking hundreds of thousands of cars.
Dodge Neon in Mexico and the Middle East, too.
1/5 of them are taxies
I am traveling in Alanya (Turkey) right now and there are a looooot of these. Beautifull car :)
The Turkish clearly still support their local industry by buying what they produce and every credit to them.
Now if only I could do the same in the UK. Oh wait, there's nothing left except for Nissan.
just like the tofas and the fiat it got it’s base from (I know they changed a number of things on tofas)
A good, honest basic car. It is all that most people really need.
True, but it does not have an Alfa Romeo badge!
@03 An Alfa is better and more desireable, but you would pay extra for one.
Most Alfas had interchangeable fiat parts in them anyway.
Except that it's an unreliable, boring Fiat.
For the same money a couple of years ago I bought a used BMW 125i. Love it, and suspect I'd see a lot more of my money back if I wanted to sell it now. If you're spending £9000 on ANYTHING it should at least spark a bit of joy :) There's just no reason to buy this Tipo over anything else, really.
We had a Tipo as a rental car and it was fine. Drove perfectly well, nice place to be, good car.
We were considering them as company cars for my company until I got on the motorway... Very loud and underpowered.
@@beem6773 oh, right, the one I had didn't seem to be bad on a long trek but then at that time I'd just get a rental car when I needed the use of one. I could go months without getting behind the wheel so I was easily impressed. The only rental cars I drove and thought "urgh!" were a Nissan Juke and a Fiat 500L - both properly grotty little cans of disappointment.
I had one on holiday. It was fine, without being great, Mostly used on slower roads so never saw the noise issue.
There are two reasons why this car has not sold as well as some brands
1. In the past FIAT had (not always deserved) a bad reputation for rust and reliability.
2. Badge snobbery. If this had a VW badge on it, it would sell like hot cakes. Yet despite its poor reputation for reliability (as borne out by reliability surveys) and dieselgate VW continue to sell thousands of cars and remain (for some unknown reason) a top selling brand. Yes FIAT is not the most reliable brand but neither is VW, Peugeot, Citroen, Vauxhall or Ford. In the early 2000's I owned several FIATs and have never had a serious issue. I think that the Tipo is a great car for the money.
My favourite cars to own and I've had 28, with long commutes when working, now 68 and retired, are Fiat and Mercedes. Have had several of both and enjoyed the fun of driving the Fiats, not unreliable if looked after, Italian flair on an everyday level, I particularly liked the Puntos I've owned, one for 60,000 miles of use. The Mercedes have a solidity and build quality, I have had my present one for over 4 years, a teenager this year, and it's a lovely car, but maintenance costs are higher. I have a hankering for a Fiat 500c but for all the dangerous drivers on the roads now, more interested in their phones than driving. People should drive what they like and not be influenced by others opinions.
Nah, the rep is definitely deserved. We bought a egea (tipo or neon depending on where you live) at 40k km and at 46k it already has a fuel leak at the fuel pump (apparently, its a common issue on diesels cuz they make parts out of plastic and whatnot) while the "unreliable" jetta with the "unrelaible" dsg we bought at 60k km has costed us nothing except maintenence 100k kms and 7 years later and still going strong
Yeah I do think their reputation of unreliability has damaged them in the long run. Like who would want to hire an employee if he's known to always always be late or fail to deliver on time.
I have a Tipo myself and I think it's brilliant. Huge boot and loads of space inside. It's a bit basic but that doesn't have to be a bad thing. I mean, the infotainment systems are usually crap anyways and if possible people use carplay or android auto more often than not. So getting an iPad mini for the Tipo solves that issue and the iPad is vastly better than any infotainment system for a lot of stuff and you can use it anywhere. Sure it can't do some things but the tradeoff isn't bad.
My thinking used to be that I want a nice medium luxury trim and features. But nowadays I'm actually more inclined for something like the new 3rd gen duster or the soon to come bigster.
At the right price cars of different qualities sell ok you can only conclude it was too expensive and the second hand market certainly prices these down.
Not that I don't believe you, but I do have a funny contrasting story. I used to have a friend who's parents had a Multipla they were crazy about. However it seemed like every time we visited them, they had a new Multipla because something had gone terribly wrong with the previous one. They've had at least 3 first gen Multiplas in a row :D
This is pretty much the only car you will see on Turkish roads, especially the 1.3 diesel
What about 1.4 essence 95HP BVM6 manual??
@@housseynmihoub4643 I myself have the version with 1.3 diesel engine. In Turkey, the 1.3 diesel engine is more popular than the 1.4 engine version because it has a value of 3.2 litres per 100 km, which is crazy as fuel consumption. The lowest long-distance fuel consumption I see myself is 2.7 litres, but the general average is 3.6 in and out of the city. In addition, the 1.3 engine is more powerful than the 1.4 engine as torque and another reason why it is more popular in Turkey in general because the roads are hilly.
Yes they are too but they burning oil @@housseynmihoub4643
@@housseynmihoub4643 yeah, it is called 1.4 fire in Turkey and it is also really really popular
@@housseynmihoub4643 in one craiglist like site called "sahibinden"
16 1.0 firely
6,146 1.3 multijet
5,465 1.4 fire
4 1.4 t-jet
61 t4 hibrit (I didnt know they were hybrit tipos)
367 E-tork
3,406 1.6 multijet
avaliable second hand...
Do you recall the marketing campaign for this?
No. Nobody does.
This was the biggest mistake in my oppinion. Fiat usually misses on marketing with all of its vehicles. And in this day and age, it is unacceptable.
Btw, I am content with my Tipo after 4 years 😊
@@mihneapreduchin9312 yep. Thoroughly good, unpretentious cars such as Skoda and Dacia sell perfectly well. FIAT even manage to give theirs a little Italian panache. Then keep them a secret, except the 500 - which they heavily market to ...
The kind of people who don't buy cars of any sort...
When it first came out, I remember seeing ads about it on tv.
That's true. Even Dacia makes good TV ads
@@mihneapreduchin9312 People still buy vauxhalls and their adverts seem to actively avoid discussing the car & focus on the stereo & finance deals!
I think an Austrian car magazine summarized the Tipo perfectly when it came out: The perfect car for people who are not interested in cars
That could describe VW, Skoda, and several other owners.
That sounds like me.
Would say it’s competitive in every aspect , but unfortunately not available here in the US.
Which is why I have Toyota Corolla. Boring but competent. Good enough everything.
Cars don’t do it for me and I’m not going to spend a fortune on a useless status symbol, i.e. BMW, MERCEDES, LEXUS etc
That always used to be the term to describe Toyota, ‘it’s the car you buy before you die’ (as in you have given up- not going down in a blaze of driving glory)
@@Nellis202 Toyota Corolla is a safer choice though. The Dodge Dart 1.4 Multiairs seem to have engine failures around 100,000-150,000miles, which is not inexpensive to repair. While on paper the Dodge Dart / Fiat Viaggo is equivalent, in the medium term they seem to cost the owners a lot more to maintain so any initial savings in purchase price soon evaporate. That might explain why the Corolla is still on sale and the Dart is not...
@ll A lot of people aspire to own Land Cruisers, especially the old yet new 70 Series workhorse!
ah yes
the turkish fiat tipo
tho it's very successful here in Turkey
Problem is it's crap compared to the Turkish Toyota corolla and Honda Civic
pretty successful here in italy too. mainly the pre-facelift 2017 hatchback or station wagon model. the sedans are ptetty rare and the cross version is also quite easy to spot.
In 2023 the total number of new cars sold in Turkiye was 1.529.139 (passanger cars only)
Fiat Agea/Tipo sales figures for the period was 73.670
so 73,670 / 1,529,139 = 4.8 percent, so less than 5 percent of all the cars sold new in 2023 is this Fiat model.
followed by
-Renault Clio 68,817
-Volkswagen Passat 67,669
-Renault Magane 65,278
-Ford Focus 47,086
-Toyota Corolla 44,349
-Opel Astra 40,640
-BMW 5Series 36,357
-BMW 3Series 35,470
-VW Polo 34,460
etc etc
However, because Fiat Agea/Tipo is the number one in rental fleets, taxi fleets and as the entry level/low level sales perseonnel company car, you see them quite considerably in the traffic. Also parts and services are cheap as it's one of the many locally made cars.
Continuing on with ''boring'' data :)))
In 2023, in Greece a total of 134,484 new cars were sold, 518 been this Fiat model.
In 2023, this Fiat model sold in the following numbers in these countries:
Italy : 10,727
Portugal : 1,265
France: 1070
Germany : 993
Belgium : 864
Spain : 763
Egypt : 689
Poland : 646
Austria : 580
Switzerland : 464
the data goes all the way to Finland with 1 sale. :)
oh hello I didn’t expect to see you here
It's the same in America: people wanted it in production but until it's built, NOBODY bought it.
At first glance I thought it was a Kia! Before I read the title!
Do you mean North America? This is the replacement for the Dodge Dart (and Fiat Viaggo) I believe, now called the Dodge Neon and Fiat Tipo, but only available in Mexico and no longer available in the United States or Canada. I think (hear me out) not making the Dodge Dart be an Alfa Romeo Giulietta sedan was wrong -- I think the strategy of Alfas being only made in Italy was not the right strategy, when Alfa Romeo needed to build market share and brand recognition in North America. Having the Giulietta (sedan) and originally planned MX5-based Alfa Romeo Spider (instead of 124 Abarth) as entry-level vehicles would have helped Alfa Romeo build market share and name recognition in North America IMO!
I wonder what Jack and Number27 fans make of the Alfa Romeo Tonale and Dodge Hornet sister car strategy? A lot of people think having the Dodge undercut the pricing of the Alfa Romeo, while being obviously the same car, will not help Alfa Romeo. I really think it's a shame there has been no Giulietta replacement or at least facelift with Tonale interior bits.
@TassieLorenzo I agree... even though I'm a die hard Alfisti. I'm on number 17.. I don't understand why. I'm too poor currently to get even a used Guilia. I'll still love and try to keep my 1988 Alfa 75.. it's a Milano here in the states running. The price difference between the two just doesn't make sense.
It's because small cars are just so famously bad here. Poor styling, poor quality, poor safety, cramped, higher insurance rate compared to a used car.
Leaves very little market for people on a budget.
They are better off going used to get a better product. People who really want new can afford or are willing to throw more money at a significantly better product in their eyes.
I drive a Honda Fit and all the flaws if being a entry level cheap car are so obvious. It's been the worst car I ever had. Looking into other models I see the flaws are all over the segment.
@@davidsherrick898 I would gladly take a Kia over a Fiat
I worked in sales for Fiat during the Bravo/Brava period and when the Stilo came it was a bold change from the curvaceous looks of its predecessor and had adopted these new sharper angles in a bid to emulate the likes of products from the VAG group. Even the interior materials were stepped up with a soft touch dash. There were some exciting models too with the Abarth 2.4 5 cylinders and even a Michael Schumacher edition. Fiat were really bold with their design language. Spring forward to the Nuova Tipo and I'd long moved on from car sales by then, so when I saw one on the road my jaw dropped. I was completely deflated by how bland it looked. Where was the Italian flair i'd been so accustomed to ? I'm a staunch defender of the Multipla , I don't think its pretty by any standard but it was brave bold move and a really clever design. It also handled well in the bends due to its wider track. So the Tipo for me was a complete let down in terms of forward thinking and looks. Even Grande Punto had dared to mimic the Maserati front end to look like a hot hatch trying to be a super car. Come on Fiat, all that history to pull from and you give us this ?
Stelantis era
That Stilo had a better seating position with the raisable center armrest, and with (admittedly a bit smokey) JTD witg 110 PS was a real driving car..
@@JJVernig In fiat seat position is always bad. sit high but windscreen had high line too. almost like on chair. is it same in stillo,Croma, Bravo mk2?
@@StopTeoriomSpiskowymChrysler era.
We have 2 Stilos in the family, a 1.2 16v 5 door bought new in 2002 and another 1.6 16v 3 door bought used by me 2 years ago. The seating position on the 3 door is awesome, you sit much lower compared to the 5 door which feels like a van in comparison. In terms of mechanical reliability, both have been bulletproof (except a starter motor on the 1.6 but it also has 326k km). Electrical gremlins are usual the result of a bad battery, bad grounds and connections to various sensors. The idiots at Fiat mounted the ECU on the 1.6 on top of the engine making it melt solder joints but that's an easy fix if you use a spacer kit or mount it next to the battery. However, I will never forgive Fiat for not giving us a turbocharged petrol engine. They could develop the previous 1.4 8v from the Punto GT turbo, have the 1.6 16v in a turbo version or just the 2.0 20v turbo from the Coupe. What most buyers wanted in Italian cars is having big horsepower on the cheap end. This is why the Tjet engine sold so, so many cars across multiple Fiat/Alfa/Lancia models.
It genuinely hurts to see what has become of Fiat when I think back to all the exciting cars that their considerable range included in the early seventies: the 124 spider and coupé, the Dino spider and coupé, the 130 sedan and coupé, the 850 Sport, and who knows what else I have forgotten.
Very true apart from the 500 in Europe FIATs biggest market is South America with a far bigger portfolio of cars to that over here The Strada&Fastback which should be sold in Europe but never were.
I think both Fiat and Alfa Romeo (and Dodge and Chrysler too) have a lot of stop-start and gaps in model production. Models don't seem to continue in production, while being continually refined and improved. Instead, they try something, abandon it, then try something else etc.
@@garyhitchcock3828 The panda and 500 command 45% market share of their segment in Europe. Not too bad for decade old designs
The X 1/9 "little ferrari", the 124 sport coupe ecc. . ! ❤
Fiat had not long ago in production 157 spider and they sold most cars in whole Stellantis so they fine
I think the reason nobody bought these is because Fiat did their absolute best job at not telling anyone it exists. I do follow car news pretty closely and had absolutely no idea this car existed.
Maybe Western Europe wasn't the target market. In Poland, this model was heavily advertised back in the days.
Also new Tipp models are far less inexpensive than they used to be.
You see this car in Portugal quit often
Fiat Tipo sold extremely well in Poland both to private owners and to the fleets. Especialy the 1.4 naturally aspirated engine since it had reputation of bulletproof unit and with hydraulic valves it was even better for fueling with Liquid Petrolium Gas than ever. The updated version is not doing that well (like most cars) because the engine suited to new regulations made it a lot more expensive. Also, the Firefly is reasonably treated with some suspicion, unlike the old and tried FIRE.
Sales disaster? More than 1 miljoen cars sold is not a sales disaster. Here in Belgium can you see it very frequently on the road.
I have the top model , a Tipo cross hybrid? Very good car!
The hybrid system will unfortunatly not be good in the long run. Fiat only makes it because of the EU regulations. Not because they want to
There are a lot of Tipos on hire fleets in Corfu (where we live in the Summer). They're just basic, solid cars that do the boring things but don't excite anyone.
Indeed there are and, I've rented one!.... while I'm here, I absolutely love Corfu!!💙... In fact you might be able to work out where I'm stood for my profile picture!!
@@SLAmey-mu9hd I can't see enough of the view to work out where it is, but possibly somewhere near Paleokastritsa? Our place is in Kassiopi, we have apartments there
That car is crazy good looking in upper trim spec. Stuff like 17 inch rims, Tinted windows, smoked trimmed pieces and awesome colors such as dark green, look amazing. I don't think you could spec out a better looking new car in 14,000 eur range.
It's a pity for interior design .... the shapes seems old
In all fairness, I think Ford Focus was very much "inspired" by Tipo hatchback. And I do agree, with high spec it does look quite attractive.
When it debuted in Poland, the base sedan was under 10 thousand.
the highest trim gets 18 inch rims
I have a 1.3 diesel Tipo, great car, spacious, reliable and good looking as hatchback. That 1.3 diesel egine goes up to 500.000km without issues in Fiat Doblo and is cheap to maintain. No issues so far with 120k km. 1.6 diesel is known to burn the clutch regularly due to higher torque.
I would expect a car to be reliable up to 120k km. Not really saying much for reliability at that point.
@@David-lh9whtrue, unfortunately many cars nowadays have issues before that mileage
A guy that I work with has an estate version also in white and he absolutely loves his Tipo, I think mainly because it's the only one in the car park.....you can't beat someone different!
😄😄😄 if it was silver though it wouldn’t stand out as much!
@@Number27 true🤣 or Grey 😂🤣
I've owned 4 Tipo's, two older 1990s, a 2019 Street and a 2022 Sport Turbo, brilliant car, great value for money, fully loaded with kit.👍
I own a 2019, grey S-Design wagon Tipo with the 1.6 diesel as my daily and I love it. It has enough torque and It has this analog feeling I love. That’s the reason I sold my F87 BMW M2 and bought a E46 M3. I don’t like these modern digital car feeling.
I thought i was the only one who sold my brand new G87 M2. I did it after 3 months ownership. I sold it for the same reason, dull as hell to drive, detached, no emotion or feeling to it. Plus it was super ugly.
@@edombre4637I liked my M2 for the look it had but it was missing this special feeling you want from a car you drive only at the weekend. The E46 M3 with CSL Airbox and OEM+ Mods does exactly this.
@@edombre4637 Agree on the G87 M2 styling - with its only positive being that the styling of BMWs other cars including SUVs is worse.
@@BamoweD I also had an e46 years ago, but it was just the 325i. Nevertheless, it was a great car, fun to drive, looked great, nice and solid. These new BMW’s are just terrible.
Would you recommend diesel or petrol Tipo?
Had one of these in Turkey as a hire car (it's called the Egea there) and it was absolutely fine. They're everywhere in Turkey and I can see why. Sure it wasn't thrilling but it did what a car should do with no issues. At under £10k for this though, I don't think you could make a better car.
It's a very underrated car but under 10k i would still get a used corolla or accord over this.
The reason why people in Turkey are driving these shitty cars is the taxation system. The government does not want you to buy a vehicle of D segment and above. If you take a look at the taxation, you will understand that our wonderful leaders have deemed it appropriate (!)
To be fair, if it's sold 800,000 then it's hardly a failure. Just a reasonably competent car, with nothing at all that stands out.
I mean, with a Ford , they are all driver friendly, when you get into a Ford you almost instantly feel at home. With a Vauxhall, you can drive with the confident knowledge that if, when, you reach 100,000 miles, the wheels will fall off. But the Tipo, seems to be a latter day Proton.
But aren't these numbers so high because of the sales in the overprotective Turkish domestic market? Honestly, the interior of it looks cheaper than the Fiat Cronos' in South America - and, at least before the taxes, the Cronos is supposed to be even more affordable.
And they made money on it, isn’t this a business
Latter day Proton? What do you mean?
@@TheJackal917 Blandasblandasblandasblandasa Proton.
@@CFtablet"the interior of it looks cheaper than the Fiat Cronos' in South America" that's only looks though, the Tipo has a more regular design, but the materials are either on par or better on the Tipo; not by a whole lot though, both are plastic galore, but mostly decent quality plastic.
Neat, I like it when you don't just do expensive and rare cars.
Think this is a pretty rare car in the UK.Never seen one.
@@keithhooper6123 Good point. It sold so poorly I guess it's rare everywhere.
A change is nice! Though if it was like "here is the final Citroen C4 in rental car white with rental car grey interior, this one has a 1.4 diesel and hubcaps, by this time the C4 was just a (Peugeot) 308 with different styling with all the unique features gone" over and over again, it might get a bit dull! It's more fun to have cars like the Citroen C4 VTS on the channel, I guess...
Why would you prefer that?
They build this car in many factories in Turkey, South America and Africa (Egypt!) and use this as Taxi, it was not a failure its just a peoples car for poorer countries like the Dacia here. Originally they planned to build a version in Russia too as Lada sucessor but due to the war that did not happen. They even thought about a factory in Albania!
aaa i never knew that. o really? now thats intresting to find out now
This car was never built in South America. They tried selling it in Argentina (imported) but it didn't sell well; as far as I know, this was not sold in any other South American country.
@@lucadipaolo1997The sell it in Brazil
They never sold this generation in Brazil, only the first one.
I actually see quite a few of them because I live in Paraguay. Paraguayans, Argentinians and Brazilians buy a lot of FIAT cars. There's a little tiny truck they sell that it's super popular here, must be based on the same platform. It's called the Toro and it's everywhere.
Yes I agree. visited Brazil a couple years back couldn't believe how popular the fiat pickup Toro was.. it looked really well too.
As far as I know, this particular model was only sold in Argentina and it didn't sell well since it was imported and cost a lot; this does use the same platform as the Toro though.
Fiat is Stellantis best selling marque Fiat is very successful in markets like Algeria, Brazil and Turkey the UK isn't an important market plus the fact of RHD manufacturing costs. Brits are generally very pragmatic in choices of cars. Fiat have secretly the best engines in the world!
best engines in the world? HAHAHAHAHAH
@@bdmr_isfYep! Its true. I own a 500. The Fiat is 16 years old and the 1.2 fire engine is just great. Not 1 single problem in 105k miles. The whole car is reliable in fact.
@@Wielie0305 they are reliable for a fiat. but NOOWHERE near the best engines in the world! 105k miles? even my 18 year old Lexus GS300 has over 200k miles on its first unopened 3.0 V6 and this is considered to be one of the least reliable engines from Toyota😂
@@bdmr_isfdid you know fire engine or multijet or lampredi?
@@mike.v2116Not only Fire, JTD, but there are the 5 or 4 Cylinder saw plates and finally now the 3-cylinder Fireflys, they are excellent!
I did a road trip with one of these, a diesel version. Great, great car, great chassis, decent engine, all the things that matter for a safe drive are there..I was really tempted to buy one as my new car, but I can't justify the depreciation of new cars at this point in my life, so I went for a used Honda.. upgrading from a 2001 Punto that I bought used with 150,000 km and sold with 300,000 on the clock...!!! Gotta love a Fiat!!
There's just something comforting and reassuring about a good economical car that just works! I'm so glad Tipo still exists! Thanks for the video
I bought a Fiat Marea Weekend TD125 in 1995. It was brilliant. It was a full 5 seater and was the best load carrying estate I’ve ever used. It’s five cylinder turbo diesel was impressive and it was a great car to drive. I kept it for many years and did about 200,000 miles in it. It would have been the best car I’ve ever owned if I hadn’t bought a Golf V GTI in 2006. I’ve still got that now and it’s really special. Everyone who travelled in the Marea praised its quality feel, comfortable seats and all round ambiance. It was BMW and Mercedes owners who were most surprised/impressed. While owning the Marea I bought a 2004 Audi A4 cabriolet with a 2.5 litre V6 engine and six speed gearbox. People were amazed when I pointed out that the Marea was a much better car to drive than the Audi, a very easy decision to make as the Audi was flawed in two big areas, it’s torquey, powerful V6 wasn’t a good match for its manual gearbox and when overtaking it was hard to find the best gear and it had a handling flaw, it felt unstable when it should have been planted. Both the Marea and the Golf didn’t suffer from either of those weaknesses. In either of them rapid acceleration was available in what appeared to be in any gear ant any time. They both handled competently too. The Golf remains my everyday car and at 17 years old it is still a pleasure to drive on every occasion. Even the Marea had met its match. About 2008 I decided that owning three cars, the Fiat, Golf and a Boxster was a bit over the top so I gave the Fiat to a couple I knew. They ran it for another 10 years and even then, when time had caught up with it they moved its front seats into their camping car because after over 20 years they were still in perfect condition and very comfortable. An amazing car that most of the world seemed completely unaware of.
PS In one of the few road tests that I read on the Marea the journalist wrote how he was so unexpectedly surprised by the power delivery. He wrote he was expecting the sort of performance typical of the school run but the Subaru WRC like thrust was a very pleasant surprise.
The problem is Fiat hasn't convinced people that their cars are reliable. Even though the 1.4 FIRE and 1.4 Tjet engines are basically indestructible. Naive people just go buy Toyotas (which end up burning oil before 130.000km).
True!! The FIRE series of engines are brilliant . We got one with 565 000 km and still no oil use between our religious 10000 km services.
Saying people are naive for buying Toyota is foolish. Vast majority do not burn oil at all no matter the mileage or age. But I agree that both the FIRE and Fiat diesels are actually underrated.
Only problem I can say with a 1.4 petrol engine of fiat is it's being extremely boring. My father kinda digs FİAT cars. He had a siena prior to this Tipo (Egea here), even after 23 years that siena was running smoothly. If only they put a little stronger, more fun to drive engines in these cars. They would sell like hotcakes.
I bave a bravo with Tjet, was abused by previous owner and still doesn't burn oil at 200k! Truly fantastic engine
@@ionutbagmuianu884 the Tjets are known to survive bad remaps from idiot tuners, they really have a big margin in terms of mechanical durability. Compared to other 1.4/1.6 Turbo engine from the same era (Peugeot THP, Opel Z16, VW TSI), the Fiat Tjet is by far the most bulletproof engine.
They never advertised it! The list price was a bargain, but nobody knew, because they didn't know it existed!
Here in Brazil, we have a (bit) tinier version called FIAT Chronos, and you will see lots of taxi drivers chose one of these as their daily taxi. They're selling very well here!
Would not agree with statement "nobody bought", it was bought on mass by rental companies, taxis and fleets. It is only true that individual buyers never bought it.
But that is kind of obvious - individual buyer is mostly interested in reliability and running costs (which included depreciation), so this obviously could not compete with Toyota, because Toyota keeps it's value extremely well, meaning low interest payments and low lease, and also they never fail, whereas FIAT is know to fall in value like a sinking rock and built quality has not impressed anyone ever.
Also I guess depends on the country, there are loads of them in Italy, Greece, Spain and Portugal, basically if you rent a car there that is what you get by default at "medium" size. Also I have seen them used by police, by security, taxi etc. There is also estate version of it and I do agree they larger than average considering price. I have driven it few times abroad and I can't say I was impressed, just normal FCA car. I mean it would be hard to be impressed by FIAT on other hand I quite liked Jeep Renegade which pretty much have all the same tech inside and same quality.
So it is just cheap car to trash and be disposable. Obviously, just looking at UK it probably "failed", but to be fair all FCA cars have hard time selling here. They are not really that competitive with Japanese/Korean stuff.
And also I think it is little bit of extreme example, because they really cost ~16-19k, so that James as able to buy it for £9,000 that is not really scalable. Maybe it is okey for that price, but there are much better cars for the normal RRP.
Mine was an ex-rental car which was registered in the Bristol area like many others back in 2017. I picked mine up at less than 3 years old with 8 months warranty left. The price had already dropped like a stone and I couldn't believe how cheap it was being £7700. I'm struggling to find a suitable replacement now as cars have rocketed in priced since the lock down. Just look at Ford and Peugrot/Citroen with their wet timing belt nightmares, suddenly Fiat look like a great alternative...
@@Hjd10 Well, so that was my point - the claim in this video is that the person bought BRAND NEW 2020 car for £9900. And I said that is very good deal but quite unusual and your experience proves this, as you bough 3 years old car for £7700.
To be honest I am not shopping int that segment, but recently the prices for used cars got stupid.
In 2019 December I bought 2017 Lexus RC, with all the possible options for £15,500 from Lexus itself (used approved). The car had 45,000 miles on it and was just shy of 3 years old (I think 2 years 8 months a the time of buying).. and it lost £30,000 from new (near enough, it had all possible options and list price of £43,800).
I kept it for about 2 years and sold it in October 2021 with 68,000 miles for £19,000.
The point is - I just can't see this FIAT being that amazing in terms of value, when one could buy less than 3 years old fully loaded, luxurious and fancy looking Lexus coupe for £15,000 in 2019.
Obviously times have changed now, but still it was cheap car for cheap price, which is alright, but it isn't really amazing.
3/5 cars in Turkey are fiat tipos lmao
@@lp9280 I guess the Tipo is in the same sort of bracket as the Dacia’s, you don’t buy one for prestige, you buy because it’s cheap and hopefully reliable. With the budget cars if you are smart you can buy the fully loaded model fairly cheap 2nd hand.
@@Hjd10 To be honest Dacia feels better quality inside, but you kind of right, they are competing for similar segment, Dacia is just better value.
Also I would not call it "fully loaded", I guess "in comparison with budget cars" yes. I am not saying FIAT Tipo is bad car, but it just wasn't really best in any area and that is why it wasn't that successful in UK.
It is sold in Turkey and Italy. Also sells well in Some African countries (used market)
near zero sales in italy, not sure where you got your info from
Clearly you never been to italy, most rubbish comment i've ever heard.@@emanuele8226
@@emanuele8226 car news stats, according to them it is selling around 5000 units per month in Italy. Probably most are fleet sales.
It has more sales in Turkey than entire Europe combined. And while the sales in Europe has been falling(and stopped last year I think), it is at an all time high in Turkey. Pretty much a Turkish market exclusive at this point.
10k bloody hell. Surely any criticism stops there!
I admire how you seeing automotive industry with no bias towards badges and common opinions. Thank you.
I have a Tipo, and also had the first one back in 1992. The second is better than the first, and more reliable than german cars nowadays. It did not sell because of the snobbery of many drivers who want first to show a "big nameplate" to the neighbourgh. the engine revs happily to the limiter at 6700 rpm, but this after 15.000 miles only. And in normal use, as you did here, there is no need for more than 2500 rpm.
I think germancars, especially the VW models, are overrated heaps these days.
They are quite common here in Greece.
South european solidarity
Maybe it was lack of advertising and some of the old prejudices about Italian cars that have stopped it selling.
I own it’s predecessor the Bravo , a 2008 1.4 T-Jet Sport, red with 38,000 miles and one previous owner. I deliberately tracked a Bravo Sport down because it looked more exciting inside and out than a Focus/Golf/etc. Few bought the Bravo too in the U.K.
The Tipo seems to have a tamer design by comparison, but as you say, still has not sold well.
Thank you for this video. Nothing wrong with reviewing a modern car such as this. I love it! I think that the real problem is that the Tipo is a traditional full-sized sedan car in an age where a lot of people who once normally bought such a vehicle are starting to go small SUV/Crossover or be wooed by EVs, especially with emission-related government legislation in some areas of the UK. Indeed the much more popular Ford Focus has been cancelled to make way for the Ford Puma mini SUV and the Mustang EV, which are being promoted in my country the same way a Mondeo or Focus would have been twenty years ago. Even the Golf has trouble and has partially survived by Volkswagen producing SUV/Crossover and EV variants of it. By the way the original Tipo shared underpinnings with the Alfa Romeo 155 and some Lancias - both generations of the Delta and the Dedra (Unsure of spelling.), I think.
The car is hardly full size. Its a european C segment compact sedan. A skoda octavia has much more space
@@daniel-inothe Octavia is a bigger car.
Original Tipo was the ‘type 4 chassis/floorpan’ It spawned the Fiat Tempra, Alfa 155 and the Lancia Dedra, New Delta (Proper Delta is a development of Fiat Strada chassis) Fiat Coupe and Alfa Spider/GTV of 90’s heavily relied on Type 4 chassis. There was a 4 wheel drive derivative that never made it to production and some exciting competition variants that were developed and tested but never carried forward. Fiat Bravo was a great car, looked the part, Brava less so and Marea was just odd apart from the SW that was a better looking car. There were some half decent cars but what always holds Fiat back is the management either in Turin or regional sales, Fiat Auto (UK) could have the Golf in their hands and turn it into the sales donkey of the decade. The reason why there are so many Fiats in rental fleets, they are never really paid for. Hire companies either get eye watering discounts or they pay a nominal monthly rent to Fiat. As a former Fiat dealer, we used to buy ex daily rentals, in mid 90’s 6k Punto, 3-5months old £2-3k depending on miles and spec. Once Fiat got on the daily rental dope they could never get off it. Peugeot did the same and that’s why they fell so far.
I have one as a daily. 2023 estate model. Best car I had in years to travel a lot of miles. It is not a bargain however, same price as a megane for example here in the Netherlands.
Waar koop je dat? Op de website van Fiat NL zijn de Tipos niet te vinden namelijk?
I'm aware of the Tipo but didn't realise a booted version came to the UK. I think the estate looks good. The Tipo is regarded as a success in the motoring industry with strong sales in Eastern Europe. This review is misconceived and should be congratulating Fiat/Stellantis for their healthy sales volumes.
i never knew that sedan was sold in uk. I dont even think tipo was sold in ireland. i can be wrong though
“BMW makes some hideous cars, and that never stopped them from selling”
It will eventually, it will.
It may not sell well in UK but it's been a great success in other parts of europe
Best seller in Turkey for 8 consecutive years.
Upper versions have big screen and leather seats.
HB versions also have Sport opitons with body kit and 18" wheels, looks good :)
These cars are more designed to go against Dacia I believe, not Toyota. You note the price point yourself
They sell well in emerging markets, and of course the home country of turkey were they’re produced
And WHY would you want this 15 years earlier? I bought a 2010 Bravo that I think is just FIAT perfection, that’s why I still have it. It does everything right that this one does not with 1.4 turbo and six speed
Your description of sales of the 500 and panda as “quite well” is also off the mark, together they command a 45% market share in Europe, and are the two best selling cars in Italy
i drive also a fiat bravo. Best car one can get for a minimum bufget
I drove a rented 1.6L Diesel SW one for about 1000 kms in Germany a couple of years ago and was quite impressed.
Yes the same happened to me. I was in Turkey and got the 1.6 Liter Diesel with as an automatic. Made almost 1000 km (about 621 miles) on one tank! I was impressed with that.
This guy seems a good lad. It's the classic Spanish hire car
If I remember correctly, the Tipo in the UK was sold only in the most basic version, similar to those - so many! - I saw in Turkey, while in Italy there were better equipped ones.
In 2020 I bought mine new in the "Lounge" version with a 120hp diesel engine (extremely reliable and with a robust 320nm of torque), bi-xenon headlights, infotainment with 7" screen and Android/Apple support, automatic climate control, 17" alloy wheels, all for the astronomical sum of 17,500 euros (15,500 pounds at the time). Today the equivalent version - with a few upgrades but still it's a 2015 car - is listed at over 30 thousand euros (although they are always discounted), and Fiat, or rather Stellantis, and has not even advertised it for years now anyways.
After 3 years my Tipo has not given me any problems and I am getting on very well with it: especially for long trips it is very comfortable (I confirm the excellent soundproofing), it consumes quite little and has more interior space than your average crossover.
True, the steering at first gives the impression of being "artificial," but you get the hang of it; of course, as it is, it is not a car to go around the Nurburgring in.
Maybe it lacks a little bit of personality? But what personality do the many French, German, Korean, Japanese suvs and crossovers that sell by the ton today have?
If anything, the problem is that FIAT is practically dead; it will no longer exist as we knew it. There are already and will be cars sharing PSA group's chassis, engines and design, which of Italian will have only the brand name. There's no point in buying them, as far as I'm concerned.
Nobody bought??? Like in the UK? Because Fiat sold a LOT of Tipo in South America, and even in Europe, if not mistaken, many sold as fleet/uber cars
uk is rather rich by even european standards(they like to complain like they're not though) so not much interest in the cheapest tiers. probably not that many mirages(micras) either.
I've never seen this car in Brazil, since it wasn't sold here. As far as I'm aware about this car and South America, it was only sold in Argentina for a year or two, no one bought them because they cost way too much since they were imported. You might be confusing this with the Fiat Argo, which is a smaller car; they did sell the 90s Tipo though, and that did sell somewhat well, though the Tempra Sedan probably sold more.
@@lucadipaolo1997 In Brazil it was called Linea.
@@lucadipaolo1997 In Brazil it was called Linea.
In continental Europe was not a sales success, too much competition from Korean, German, and French carmakers.
The most competent car I have owned is my current Saab 9-3 Aero (last iteration before Saab's death). The most useful and utilitarian is my companion Honda Element. And yes, I have owned Jettas and a GTI along the way. But, but the most exhilarating car I ever owned was the purchased new 1976 Fiat 128. It was a blast to rev and corner (essentially drive) despite its unreliability and hatred of road salt and weather below 20 F. Nonetheless, I kept it running for a remarkable ten years and could have kept it longer but I just had to have that 1986 GTI. I miss that Fiat still. I look for them now and then on online sales sites, but I think most 128s here in the USA were long ago crushed or dissolved in NaCl. They are now the extreme of extremely rare in the States. Oh well, memories and longings still for Fiat.
PS I do so enjoy your Fiat/Alfa/Lancia videos. Thank you.
The hatch and estate are pretty decent cars. Very rare in the U.K. but I do see them in Europe. Saw one in southern Germany today. The U.K. mainstream motoring press will have do a hatchet job on the car. I had a Stilo 5 cylinder courtesy car once. That had good looks and plenty of pep
A good honest review. I bought my Tipo new in 2017 in Ireland for a bargain price of €20k for the top spec. I love it and it has served me and my family well. Lots of people admire it and ask about it. The boot is massive and great for holidays and road trips. My one gripe is that the extra safety package was an optional when it should have been standard. As a result it brought the NCAPP safety rating down. It’s given me little or no trouble. I’d highly recommend it as a great car to pick up 2nd hand if you’re on a tight budget.
Sincerity and humility make your channel a true gem. Keep shining.
Stop upvoting bots, simps
@@kristoffer3000 they upvote themselves lol
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The wagon and the hatchback are everywhere here in Italy
I really think that is a nice car....Fiat marketing in this Country is probably the issue ,people dont know about them.
I have a 2015 Fiat 500X I've owned for 6 years. Its been very reliable and roomy. 60mpg, £20 tax, as fast as my previous mk2 Focus 1.8 turbo diesel. Last comp insurance was £157 for 2 drivers. Plastics are decent. Nice soft centre arm rest, cruise control, dual zone climate control, parking sensors, hands free phone calls and a TomTom sat nav. It was cheap when I bought it and I don't regret it for a minute. Unlike the 500 it's built in Italy but they've done a decent job on quality. Sister car is the Jeep Renegade. That looks more fun again.
We had a 500X very under rated car here in badge snob UK now have a Tipo Cross and a Fiat 500 for our daughter all 100% reliable and incredible value.
I drove a lot in the past and the best cars I had were Italians, and the worst car I had was a BMW,
Best car I had : Lancia K, I had 2, once had one big electronic issue, ECU to be replaced at 350K, engine still perfectly fine and the second at 410K, engine destroyed by a stone on the road, 3 FIAT 500, 280K, 220K and the last one still owned, Fiat Giulietta still in use 300K, 3 BMW 730i 220K, 735i 300K, 320i 120K, AUDI A3 180K, and the only main issue I had with my Italian cars, ECU on Lancia, External temperature sensor on Alfa and the USB port in a 500.
With German cars, 1 ESP issue on a 7, A/C and electric seat on the second 7 and the head gasket on the 3.
Now I still have Italian, car, Giulietta, 124 Spider and 500C and I love these car, fun to drive and reliable. Sad to see that "Deutsche qualitat" is just marketing, the forever lasting Mercedes don't exist anymore, except those from the 70s and 80s.
I've a 2019 1.3L multijet diesel Tipo Sportswagon have owned it since 2021 have to say its a great car have had very few problems Its also badged as a Dodge Neon &Tipo Egea in certain countries.....Great Videos 👌
Saw many of these in the Balkans not sure if the cars were new or second hand to the market. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
It looks like a Dodge Dart here
Thanks, I was wondering about it's looks, since I don't remember seeing this Fiat in the states.
Think it might be a Dart. But the USA model won’t have an engine with less than 100hp in it 😂
My uncle in NZ was a die-hard Fiat fan for years, but when it came to replacing his last Fiat, he gave up and bought an Alfa Romeo Giulietta, because the only small Fiat available in NZ was the 500, and that was just too small for his purposes. I'm sure if this Tipo had been available he would have considered it. I recall he had a Mk 1 Tipo back in the late 80's or early 90's.
Bought a Tipo Easy 1.4 saloon new in June 2020 for £10,250 on the road .Part exchanged for £7500 with 11500 miles on the clock in October 2023 .The garage sold the car for £9995 in December 2023
The Tipo estate is a rather nice thing, cheap, spacious and available with some nice low tech petrol engines, which are actually hard to find these days, at a bargain price.
Very cool review. I owne a Tipo saloon since January 2020 and it has been very reliable since that time. My car has the 1.6 E-Torq engine with 110hp and the 6 Speed aisin automatic transmission. All things about the steering and the interior you mentioned are true. But it's a reliable and economical daily driver and with a nice colour and nice wheels I think it looks handsome.
I’ve had my TIPO cross for 2.5 years now. It replaced my 1994 Mercedes coupe. It’s great for a daily - it doesn’t need to be a sports car, I have an x1/9 ( about which we have been in contact), or fun and cheap ( I have a 2cv). It’s now on 19,500 and passed its first mot last week.
If you see the comments, you probably know but yes, this car sold tremendeus amount in turkey (which name Egea in here. There is another Car name Linea which has similar looks as Egea and it can see as a demo of Egea.) Because 1- Tipo is mainly produced in TOFAŞ factory in bursa. 2- It's a cheap car that doesn't collapse if you look at funny (unlike Dacia's) and 3- Fiat has a establisted trust in turkish populous. Tofaş Bird Series (which is base on Fiat 131) is probably most popular car in turkey. There is a time that you can find Tofaş spare parts in general stores.
Very succesful car in Portugal. I have had mine for 7 years now and no problems whatsoever. Driven it all over Europe and UK! Solid, dependable, affordable, cheap to run and maintain. Not quite sure about it being a flop. See it everywhere... And it's one of favourite Über cars in Portugal too.
So many people are buying their car on PCP in the UK. Residuals on these were horrible so PCP prices were very high, higher than some of the more 'premium' brands and so there are very few out there.
Great video. I really like you branching out to cover less expensive Italian, and French, cars. For example, I bought new a Fiat 128 in the US in the early 1970s and loved it. It was not expensive, but I thought it a remarkable design, roomy, and fun to drive. What do you think about the 128?
My parents got one of those, a diesel estate automatic with quite a lot of equipment. They like it.
I think their main reason for driving Fiat is a good relationship with the local dealer since they bought their first Fiat in 1994 (a brand new Punto in which I also covered a lot of my first miles as a young driver. I am not that young anymore 😆).
Before the Tipo they had a 2008 Bravo which was actually rather nice to drive too 😉👍
We bought a Tipo in 2002 for about £400 and it was brilliant. We have a Panda TwinAir now. I would buy a Tipo today.
Then there was the "opposite" case of the Fiat Punto: the car that everyone wanted, which in Italy was sold by the truckload, of which everyone hoped there would be a new model, but which Fiat decided to stop producing and which many are now looking for on the used market.
The last Punto (MY2012) had a very good chassis and setup (I own both: it's better than Tipo), which gave very good road holding. A safe, reasonably well-finished and accessorized car for being quite a little cheap one (back in 2005 you could get steering wheel controls, hands-free and *voice recognition*...a Fiat Punto!!!), powered by almost eternal engines (the Fire gasoline or Multijet diesel). Yet Fiat dropped it and went all-in with the 500s, because they were cool and people would pay much more for them.
Great as a wagon. Very roomy and rated for towing at 1500kg. Just became to expensive here in Germany. You can geht only a Strange cross 1.6 litre hybrid version.
Unfortunately you drove the basic model there, I had the S design which was a good as any Golf.
I had a tipo as my first car, around 20 years ago.
It wasn't particularly fun to drive either.
Roomy, yes. But the "not really" 1.6l 8 valves didn't like to rev, it was designed to be economical (I managed to do around 47 miles per gallon with a brick under the accelerator) and that was it.
I had the carb version, 86hp on its last year, before they switched to monopoint injection + catalytic converter and lost 10hp in the process.
I don't think people buying these cars care about how they drive, I don't think that hurt the sales.
Great review! I was actually thinking about buying one of theese the other day when I saw how great value thay are.
I see my mk4 Seat Toledo as being in the same class as this Fiat Tipo. Handsome, cheap, reliable motoring that should appeal to the masses. Except Brits don’t like being considered as masses, so go for a more premium badge so they can feel better than their neighbours.
When we lived in the UK (1999-2010) we owned Fiat, Citroen, Renault. Fantastic cars bought at giveway prices because Brits look down their noses at them. The worst car we bought was an Audi A4, which all my colleagues raved about. Got rid of it and bought a C5.
@@Zootalaws It’s one part of British culture / attitude that I really don’t like. However one reason for the low used prices here is that they’re right-hand drive, thus have low export value to mainland Europe. The Audi thing is funny, those German marques have become such a common sight that they’ve lost their exclusivity status - and become mundane
@@scimatarpictures don´t think it's the British only, here in Spain it's not about who you are but rather who you look like, and I'd say it's the majority in particular in the big cities.
Love the video Jack! and you bringing and taking about Italian cars.
I have bought Fiat Tipo sedan two years ago. It is white, so it looks like Tipo in this video, Only difference is that my Tipo is better equiped. I have bigger screen, rear camera and some other details. I love my car! ❤
Got me one of these 2018 here in sunny South Africa (right hand drive) made in Turkey. Couldn't be happier with it. Hitting 200000 km no issues.
I like it, but I absolutely loved the 2.0 20V 5 Cylinder Fiat Marea Weekend in top of the range HLX trim..
Ditch the jag, and buy this off your friend ! It has a manual, its Italian, and this thing shares the bones of the Alfa Romeo 156 - including the little side-light indicators which I recognise off my own 156.
We have a Tipo Cross 2021 model for 2 years incredible value with all the gadgets that are extra on other brands and 100% reliable.
Here in Portugal, these are everywhere and they are a very popular choice amongst Uber drivers. These cars are cheap, FIAT has good financing and leasing plans and the engines (especially the 1.6 mJet) can take a beating. It's not uncommon to see 4 year old Tipos (Tipii?) with 300.000 km on them and running very nicely.
Remember having a mk1 tipo 1.6 then a rare 1.8 granturusmo twin cam. What a blast that was with a dodgy digital dash.
I had a hatch Tipo for a week as a courtesy car when my almost new Yeti was in for a dual mass flywheel replacement.
When I drove it out the garage I was absolutely determined to hate it, it felt deathly slow and the interior plastics were the worst I’d ever seen. However by the end of the week I was totally won over by it.
The plastics although extremely crude seemed very durable and absolutely nothing at all squeaked or rattled anywhere in the car, something which couldn’t be said of the Yeti which had half the mileage of the Tipo courtesy car!, it actually felt nippier to drive if you just set off in seconds gear - something the 1.4 managed surprisingly easy as the gearing was so low, and it genuinely was a really comfy car to travel in. Also whilst not the most stylish thing it had some very neat design touches and you did find yourself looking at it parked next to other hatches thinking it’s quite a smart thing that Tipo.
What really made its case was the value, at the time the hatches new were selling for about £10k new and at that price I’d absolutely have picked it over a focus or Astra and bought something fun for the weekend with the savings!
I was, still am, a big fan of the original Tipo. The lines of it were a breath of fresh air back then, it was fun to drive, and hugely practical. Great, but certainly not fault free, car, imho. This generation of Tipe makes me yawn when i see it. The five doors are boring but sort of okay, but the sedan...*getting sleepy* ...but at that price!? WAUW! Even i would likely have bought a five door version at such an insanely low price, and would then have been very impressed by that economy. Is it what i understand a Fiat should be? Nope. ...but it did deserve a better faith than it got, at such a low price at least, imho. Good thing you covered it Jack. I learned something.
I own a Tipo 2019 1.4L 95PS station wagon. Bought it at 30000 km and happy with what i payed. No problems, the room inside gives me a happy face every time, the capacity of the trunk, the fuel economy, i made 800 km on one tank, transported lots of big stuff. Easy to change oil and breaks by yourself if you like to save money.
My problem with the Tipo, after the 2nd gen Bravo its a setback, design is like every other same sized car, previous Fiat's had personalities. Owning a 16 year old Bravo with the same engine done 225k miles. Fun to drive, reliable (love the exterior n interior design which is done by Frank Stephenson) and if something goes wrong i just go to the Fiat scrapyard which is 2 streets away n fix it. Hope u test one someday :)
I've driven lots of Aegeas in Turkey as hire cars, petrol and diesel. I think the diesel is actually slightly more fun to drive. but you're absolutely spot on. Very competent car, not the most exciting. But it's pretty comfortable. Lacks a bit of headroom in the rear if you've got 3 in the back because of the way the roof swoops round, but excellent boot space. The car's cousin, the Peugeot 301/Citroen C-Elysse is more fun to drive - I've been very pleasantly surprised at how nice they are - but the Fiat has a bit bigger boot, I think, so it's generally what I order in Turkey.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I had no idea this existed. Quite sad for Fiat that it didn't sell it's not a bad looking car. Brilliant watching, cheers!
Yea, I think what happened is what some other commenters have mentioned: the rise of crossovers meant interested, flexible buyers are looking there. Everyone left in the sedan world has picked their favorites and aren’t going to stretch out
What are the odds? You never see them on the road and this afternoon I was overtaken by one on Belgium motorway. It was black and speeding. Lol.
Greetings from the Netherlands
I only clicked to see what the hell that title is about...? This car is literally everywhere where I'm sitting. I also happen to have one too. Great car.
I think the Fiat Tipo is a better car than the equivalent Dacia only problem is the Fiat Tipo Cross is now much more expensive than before! at £29,000! not really a budget-priced car anymore! I think also the problem with Fiat UK with the exception of the brilliant 500 electric and new 600 is the ageing and limited model range the Fiat Brazil market model range in comparison is much fresher up to date with much more choice of models e.g. Pulse Abarth, Mobi, Argo, Fastback Abarth, Cronos etc... Why aren't Fiat bringing these models to Europe??
I recall that the first model Tipo hatch had a very good and pokey turbo diesel version, and I think they were galvanised. That said, I haven't seen a mk1 for years.
It’s sold as the Dodge Neon in Mexico, and the interior really looks like 2010s Dodge. It’s nice that it is a competent compact car, but maybe it was just as well that it wasn’t available in the rest of North America.
The Neon was probably one of the most unreliable cars of the late 90s. Well, that's the rep they had when Chrysler sold them in the UK. They didn't sell many and I haven't seen one for years.
I was a fan of Chrysler and Dodge. Seeing what they are now which are mostly rebadged Fiat, I'm not keen on them anymore. The same goes for Vauxhall, Opel, Peugeot and Citroën as they're all now effectively the same car albeit with slightly different body panels. There isn't anything they make that stands out unless you pay a small fortune.
@@RikAindow I had a 2001 neon in the UK in the 2006-2012. Paid £1500 for it under 5 years old in 2006. I never serviced it once. It went from 47,000 to 175,000 miles with only tires, oil & brakes being done. Eventually the gearbox failed. Great car.
@@Nick-io9uk wow. Sounds like you had your money's worth and then some. I liked the look of them but the reports of their reliability were off-putting so I ended up with a 306 that blew its engine..
Exactly - an Italian car is supposed to be revved. My first car was a 1978 Fiat 128 3p Berlinetta 1300cc. I used to rev the bollocks off it and it was very happy being redlined. Sounded incredible and, even though it was quite slow, it felt like I was driving a mini Ferrari. Loved that car and wish I still had it.
The GNR here in Portugal use them, notably around here as unmarked cars...since the Portuguese authorities keep their vehicles going literally until they break (some are 30+ years old) they must have decided that this is likely to be a reliable car & simple to fix for years to come...
These were really common in some parts of LATAM (like my home country of Mexico), since it was sold as a new generation of the Dodge Neon, one rebadge engineering feat that I personally think that it was quite good given the 1.6 flex fuel engine available mated to a reliable 6 speed auto. Too bad that the other cars in their inventory (from Dodge) were quite dissonant with this new proposal. Think of the rebadged G4 Mirage sold as the attitude, the rebadged fiat sold as the vision, or the ageing Dodge Journey. These cars were either too badly priced, too darn cheap, or just horribly designed.
Their line up has been so inconsistent and I agree with what you mention, you have Fiats, Mitsubishis and now Peugeots(the new Journey) all sold under "Dodge", while all brands are sold here. I can't imagine what mess they have in order to get parts for all their so different cars.
But hey at least it's better than Chrysler with it's one singular offering, that STILL says it's a 2022 model.