RCF NX45 & 8004 (Best Portable Small Format PA)
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- In this video I wanted to demonstrate what the RCF NX45's & the 8004 Subwoofers sound like with an actual band playing through the system.
Playing music through a system is one thing but playing an actual band is another.
This little system packs a ton of punch and can handle the majority of small clubs and bars, even nice sized beer gardens with plenty to spare.
In my opinion it is the ultimate small format PA system for the money.
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Bands in this video are: Cortez & Friends and Spurs & Lace (country band that cranked out some Whitesnake on request)
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Check out this super portable small format PA that will kick major butt! Watch entire clip for more music!
That "In the still of the night" cover was amazing lol
Thank you sir! Pure Rock & Roll right there!
Yes it was. Dudes got a killer voice. Any live videos here on RUclips?
That was awesome.
Damn! Came for the speaker demo, stayed for the “Still Of The Night”’cover! 🤘🏻
Thanks! Putting a band through the system shows how dynamic it can be. It is easy to make pre-recorded music sound good. Thanks for commenting!
Same :D so good...
THIS IS OUTSTANDING RCF SPEAKERS ARE FANTASTIC
Not bad and good bang for the buck! Thanks for commenting!
I just recommended my friend to buy a pair of the new RCF NX 945-A and he can't stop praising them.
@@DestroyerOfLiberals - that’s awesome! Good Stuff!
WOW! This is the best "live" demo I've ever heard, and with a cell phone! Noted Shure mic... And the 2 bands are absolutely killer! You've raised the bar for sure!
Thanks! I got a new iPhone 13 Pro and I no longer need the Shure Mic attachment. Sounds great just the way it is. Thanks for commenting!
100%!!!! Fantastic but now I need sell some organs to get some RCF gear!
Great sound, great job mixing. One of the best RCF NX45 videos on RUclips.
Thanks for the nice compliment!
Best White Snake cover I have heard. Vocals are amazing.
Thanks! They are great friends of mine and love to Rock out. Believe it or not, they are a country band that likes to Rock about half way through the night. Lol.
@@soundasylumlive4421 Also -your mix is very good. Vocals are sitting on top of the mix but rest of band is very clear and EQ'd well. Lots of live sound mixes just have the Kick drum or HH way too loud. Not too many fx. Its all just right. Great Job. The musicians on stage seem to be comfortable with their monitor mixes.
@@jimjimjimjimjim Thanks for the compliment! So much fun!
So I have watched a couple of you videos and the RCFs are nice and clear. What I want to say is that your mixes are very good. Clear and balanced, effects are house as on the recording. One sound man to another great job.
I appreciate that Bill! I work with a lot of bands and sometimes it hard to really get locked in with them. This past year I worked locally with a band on RUclips called “Decade of Decadence Band”. They were super loose in the beginning but I started coaching them and working with them on individual sounds and tones....etc... and they really improved. They have a lot of videos on their channel and I didn’t always mix for them but I did a lot of those shows. Check them out when you get time. Fun stuff!
Also a band called “Backseat Radio”, chick singer....
Thanks for commenting!
Here is the clip for Backseat Radio, ruclips.net/video/hFcdpDfHJxU/видео.html
One more band I worked with, ruclips.net/video/qa2q2-dQTt4/видео.html
Not only does the PA sound great, your band rocks
Thanks!
Absolutely Loud and Clear !
This was the video that sold me on this exact setup, am getting 2x 8004 and 2x NX45-A for the season next year, gonna be awesome!
Awesome Mitas! You just can’t go wrong with this workhorse of a system. There just isn’t much adjusting of the main eq needed unless you are in a horrible room which actually happens a lot. In the video, my main eq was flat. No tweaks needed outdoors. No Top to Sub alignment needed. Phase is so smooth and flat. Enjoy! Oh, register your stuff and receive and extra year of warranty from RCF. Print up the certificates and file away with your paperwork.
@@soundasylumlive4421 Will do, its hard to get stock anywhere currently, but very excited!
Always impressed with RCF stuff from the small stuff to the biggest they make. Great products! Punch way above what you expect.
For sure! Thanks!
Love RCF
I have the HD10-A tops and the 8004 subs. I also use an NX 12 monitor for my Quad Cortex modeler on stage. They make really great products!
The quality of the audio capture (especially that first band on the trailer) was awesome! That low end! PS ... great job with the delay on Still of the Night .... can't keep away ... ha! Nice!
Thanks friend!
The bass guitar sounds amazing considering it’s not a big cabinet. I got a chance to use a pair of NX45A and a pair of 8004 subs at a gig a couple weeks ago for a benefit. Had 20 different musicians come and play. 840 people thru the door, and the RCF’S didn’t disappoint. The main band I mix for, got to hear what this system puts out and we’re impressed to say the least! The leader of the band texted me the next day, that the people there said that was the best they ever heard them. Even one of the musicians that played that day contacted me on messenger and wants me to run sound for their band through their system with RCF 8 HD-20 and 2 8006 dual 18 subs. They play a lot of Festival’s. Should be an interesting summer!
That's awesome Rick! Should be a lot of fun!
Nice mix, really smooth yet open & balanced with good dynamics. Pretty tight for 18’s.
Overall great system and great video. 🙏
Thank You!
Wow!! Amazing band and sound, kudos to the singer!!!
I love the nx45 . I use it for small gigs as Top Speakers or for bigger things as Side or Front fill. fantastic sound and loudness.
Yes a very impressive 53-54 lbs box. Love them.
So I came back to this video and found myself really getting into the “jazzier” band.. they have something very cool going on … it’s really enjoyable
Yeah they are great. The name is “Cortez and Friends”. They are based out of Central Illinois. Top notch musicians.
oh cool! i live in rock island county, IL (central) i will to catch them live!
@@vicroberts3080 - Nice! The bass player’s name is Dave Plunk and he owns and operates “Music Makers” in Galesburg Illinois. Yeah see if you can catch a show out there. I only mixed for them this one time at a event.
I came here to check out the RCF’s portable sound system, what I found exceed my expectations. The band sounds awesome! and the audio mixing is top notch especially outdoor settings is very hard to adjust ( even the delays sounded all aligned) .. I noticed on “In still of the night “ song there’s no keyboard 🎹 parts, please ask the band if I can add keys section accordingly ..
Rock on 🤘
Jason H
Hey Jason - the band is no longer together but if you want to use the clip and add keys to it, go for it. I have thought about doing that myself as well. It would be cool to hear it. I also tempo mapped and added keys of “In Still of the Night” for another band I mix for so they could play to the tracks. Have fun with it! Let me know when you get it done. I would love to hear it.
@@soundasylumlive4421 Cool! considered my weekend projects.. definitely will let you know thanks
i finally found my happiness. thanks to your speaker setup. my plan is to build 1 ttl6a left and right area with a combinations of rcf 9006 as. got good news . in my place's dealership of rcf. they made them lower price. so i could afford now. and i want to build this set up too. rcf nx45 and rcf 8004 as. 2 sound system is my plan to build. the other one is for large event rcf ttl6a/rcf 9006 as, then the other is for small event setup 2 rcf nx45a and 2 rcf 8004 as. all my mixers were soundcraft. they are a great mixer as well.
Awesome! Can’t go wrong with those setups!
@@soundasylumlive4421 the price of rcf 9006 as now here is around 8,500 usd. before it cost around 15,500 usd per rcf 9006 as. the rcf ttl 6a also now available for around 8000 usd. the ttl6a before were cost around 16,000 usd.
@@carlotheatheistii546 - Awesome! Enjoy!
I love your Maputo cut! Super Clean and HiFi Sound!
Thanks Steve!
Still of the night was BADASS
These sound so dang good I wish I could afford them! Wow
Yes they are unfortunately. I was gigging every weekend so it didn't take long to recoup the cost. There are cheaper versions of these speakers like the composite box ART 745 and 8003 subs. Still going to kick butt!
@@soundasylumlive4421 yeah I wound up getting some more QSC K.12.2s because they were on sale and I’m familiar with them already. I was going to get ART 932s but I’ve just never herd them in person and I live in a place there’s no where to compare or even hear them. And the warranty is 6 years on QSC and 3 on RCF so that’s another reason I went QSC. But I bet the RCFs sound better in person. Already paid off my QSCs with gig money though haha maybe I shoulda got the expensive ones you’re using.
RCF so good. Thx for video … great sounding band , bravo 🙌
Thanks Mark!
Great small "Concert Sound" Impressive mixing ✨ & what a great + easy package to work with by the sounds of it.
Thanks! Super happy with it for the smaller venues.
Wow… they sound great, the band sounds great! 👍🏾
Thanks!
This is great sound. The speakers sound great, but so does the mix. Good job!
Thank you sir!
its first time somebody tells me the 8004 is a super portable speaker - but well it always depends the perspective... :D
Wow that guy can sing oh my gosh keep it up
You should hear him sing AC/DC! Kills it!
Finally someone who demonstrates how it sounds live and not just talk about……thank you. Mixer please?
Hey Doobick - Thanks! It’s easy to put great sounding music through a speaker and make it seem like it sounds great but putting a live band through the speakers can be a different ball game. The mixing console is a Midas Pro 1. My favorite!
Great mixing man! Speakers are definitely efficient!
Thanks! I can run everything I have plus everyone’s amps and instruments off of two 20 amp circuits. Rarely a problem. Thanks for commenting!
the kick and snare sound incredible considering it's a small pa and it's outdoors
Thanks! Midas Pro 1 at FOH. Amazing console!
Sounds great to me! Fantastic job mixing 👍🏻
Thank You! So much fun!
Sounds sweet! And I like those RCF SUBWOOFERS:)
I verry like your sound you made, clean and strong ❤
Thanks!
Great band!
came for the review , stay for the music ..
Absolutely Sound!!!!
Astounding
good cover of Maputo!
a lot of balls in this pa how it should be!
Thanks! I could have really pushed it much harder but it was covering the audience quite well. Thanks for commenting!
Increible sonido, felicitaciones al ingeniero también
Thank you sir!
Hell, if white snake needs a new front man it looks like we found him! Haha sounded great….and that’s rare with cover bands!
Haha! Yeah the guy goes from country to Whitesnake... incredible!
Band rocks!
Jesus Christ that white snake cover sounds hella solid
Thanks! Believe it or not they are a country band that went “Whitesnake” on everyone. 😂😂😂
Sounds amazing!
Thank you!
Sounds great
Thanks!
nice! i like the subs in the middle too.
No comb filtering that way, plus free dB!
@@soundasylumlive4421 yeah no super bad power alley, that stinks. what console are you using btw?
@@asilva_media - Midas Pro 1 with two Midas DL153 stage racks. Amazing console!
@@soundasylumlive4421 nice!!
You have a nice setup 🙂😀
Thanks! Been super good and reliable so far.
Great video. Thank you Sir.
Thanks Igor!
this band is tight!!!!!
very very good job , thank you
Thank You!
OMG...wow that Whitesnake cover...wow
So much fun to mix!
Great job 👌
tech808 - thank you! So much fun!
Tip Top 👍
Thanks!
Like the mix bro..
Thanks Herena!
Nice Mix! And your Vocal sound sweet with that little echo.
Thank you! Doing my best to honor the original recorded version. Always!
As you get old, beer belly becomes the best guitar and bass strap/stand of all times
First of all: Great sound! Did you check if the Limiter-LEDs came on somewhere on the Subs or Tops? Do you worry at all overdriving the speakers?
Great question! I have checked on many occasions and I have never seen RED on any of the meters on the back of the Tops or Subs. I purposely pushed the system to an uncomfortable volume and was blown away that I never hit the limiters. Totally amazing. I also use a Midas Pro 1 console and it is super warm and clean. Thanks for commenting!
Jazz music is fantastic 👌👍
They are called “Cortez & Friends”. From central Illinois.
Le son est très propre dans son spectre
Thank You!
Good band.
Hey. Amazing setup, very tidy. Can I ask a couple of questions please? I am getting a new pa and I'm looking at a pair of NX32a and a pair of 8004a. 99% of the time we are indoors, Wedding gigs, max 250 people. We would have maybe 5 gigs per year where we'd need to crank it for a rock night, maybe 350 people, again indoors. Live band, drums, bass guitar, guitar and vocals. Do you think this setup will suit? And second question. There is a new NX932a speaker on the way, its horn is 100 x 70 compared to the NX32 which is 90 x 60. Which would you recommend or what would be the difference? Do you think I should get the new NX932 over the NX32? Thank you!
Hey thanks for commenting. It has been several years since I worked at the sound company I was employed at. When Covid hit, many of us were laid off. It was two years before I was asked back but I had already moved on and moved to a different state. With that said, I AM familiar with the NX32 boxes and they are amazing. I actually owned a pair of the NX45’s and loved them very much. I worked with a bunch of the RCF products back then.... full size line arrays... TT55, TT33’s, TT36’s, TT6’s (stupid good) and all the way down to the ART series and Evox super small setups.... I loved all of them.
With the new 932’s coming out, at first glance, I like the specs. More power.... will help with headroom... and on the surface it looks like the 932’s may be a better option. Next would be, how do they sound compared to the NX32’s? My gut feeling is they are very similar. One is a Baltic Birch box and the other a composite box material. They weigh less than 5 lbs of each other... no big deal there. I have done a shootout on the NX32’s vs. the composite box equivalent the HD32’s (now discontinued I think). They sounded so much alike except the low mid frequencies. There is something cool about the Baltic Birch that helps keep the low mids together better. The tonality is just better. Will the average person hear it? Very doubtful. So I don’t know if this helps but honestly, I may go with the more affordable speakers and get busy. It won’t be long and you will be upgrading again. I couldn’t believe how fast I paid my system off along with my $10,000 Midas Pro 1 console and stage boxes. You are on the right track! Go full speed ahead with whatever decision you make. Best of luck!
Because this video, I got RCF 932 and SUB 705 set
Nice! I love the RCF stuff. I don't work for them but I do work for an audio company that uses RCF speakers so that's what I use. Enjoy!
May I know the name of both bands to follow them, please? They sound awesome! 4:25 min and 12:00 min.
First band was Cortez & Friends based out of the Peoria, IL area. Try to do a search on them. I only worked with them that one time. Great musicians!.
Second band was "Spurs & Lace" based out of Peoria, IL as well. The drummer and male singer live in Florida now and perform on the beach. The girl on the right in the video is my wife. So the band is no longer playing together. Thanks for commenting!
Love your videos as these rcf nx45s are the next speakers for us. Did you ever try the nx32s? If so how do they stand up to thier 15 inch brothers?
Hey Steven - actually I did audition the NX32’s. They were fantastic but the NX45’s are just beefier and I felt they could handle a dense mix a little better. The NX45’s are about 53-54 pounds so they are super easy to handle. Simply amazing tops! No regrets.... thanks for commenting!
Sounds awesome and then you look at the $10,000 price tag like 😱
It was painful at first but then everyone in my area wanted me to mix for them. Paid for itself the first year out with it. Easily actually...
10 grand is just a couple subs. Your gonna be spending a hundred just for small shows.
Looks clean, and sounds great. What more could you want? :) There's some really great gear out there. At the moment, I'm running EV but when I either upgrade or expand, I'll certainly be looking at RCF.
Thanks Jay! Good stuff!
😂😂Small i think this is a big one great sound👍
Excelente banda. Whitesnake cover
Thanks!
Is the gentleman that’s playing guitar, playing straight into the snake or Stagebox from his pedal board. Damn that sounds great!
Hey Rick - sorry for the delayed response. The guitar player uses a Helix LE footpedal and we went direct into the stage snake / box on out to front of house.
@@soundasylumlive4421 I play live with a Fractal AX 8 modeler direct into my Stagebox. I then send them back to me thru an Aux out to a pair of Headrush 1/12 cabs. To me it’s the only way to cut down on stage volume. Thanks for your response.
hey man, I have a similar set up but went with the tt25a's as tops. I was intrigued by the monitors for the last band, what are they? I currently have the art 312's as monitors, the band seem super comfortable. Killer sound by the way, drums sound very good!
Nice! I’m sure the TT’s are fantastic. I mix on the TT6’s as well which are amazing. The monitors in the last band video are QSC K12’s. There is an Alto TS212 in front of the guitar player. I use three types of wedges: RCF HD32’s (from my workplace), QSC K12’s & Alto TS212’s. My favorites are the RCF wedges by far because of the FIR filtering. I had a choice between all new RCF wedges for my monitor rig or a new console so I went with a new console. I got a Midas Pro 1 with the DL153 stage boxes.
Thanks for commenting! Enjoy your rig!
OH MAN where can I get music from both of these bands??? They are friggin GREAT!
The first band is called “Cortez (the drummer) & friends. They are amazing musicians. You may be able to youtube them or google search them for more music.
The 2nd band is Spurs & Lace. They are no longer playing together. Three of them moved to Florida and play on the beach each week and the others have joined other bands. The guy on the left in the 2nd video has a band called “Innersiege”. They just released a new album not long ago. You can RUclips search for them and find stuff on those guys. Thanks for commenting!
Greetings!! Your set up is awesome, could you please teach us how you connect those subs from the mixer? As well as those main speakers
Sorry for the delayed response friend.... sure it is really simple. There are two ways. 1. You go straight out of the Left and Right Main output on the mixing board to the subs Input with mic cables. From there you go out of the Crossover outputs on the sub up to each Top Inputs. This applies the high pass filter to the Tops.
2. Is basically the same but from a stage box up on the stage. Mixer is connected to a stage box via Cat 5 / 6 cable. Then you go out the assigned Left and Right Main Outputs on the stagebox to the subs.... on out from there up to the tops.
There is a 3rd way and that is putting the subs on an Aux. Hence, the “Aux Fed Subs”. I use both methods depending on the application but for Aux Fed subs to be done correctly, you really need to know what you are doing. Hope this helps! Thanks for commenting!
Hey man, sounds good! Just wanted to ask what was micd up on the kit?
Thank You! For drums I use Sennheiser e604's for the Toms and Floor Tom(s), I also use them on Snare Top & Bottom but lately I have been using a cheaper Nady mic (DM70's) for Snare Top. It just seems to bring the snare out for some reason.... Crazy because it is a cheap mic.
I also use either a Shure Beta 52a for kick or the Sennheiser e902. Depends on the style of the band. Classic Rock... beta 52a. Metal... I go for e902.
Guitars - I use Sennheiser e609 or Shure SM57's. In this clip the guitar player used a "Helix" footpedal so he was totally direct here.
Vocal mics are Shure 58's, beta 58's and the singer here is using an Audix OM5. No overheads here. When I have 4 vocal mics across the front and the drummer is close by, I usually don’t bother with overheads. So much cymbal makes it way to the vocal mics anyways.... overheads add a ton of high frequency sibilance that it can be overwhelming. So the vocal mics rule the mix. Meaning, I have to set them where they are loud and clear.... maybe not so much loud but above the instruments. From there I ask myself, “what needs to come up next..... I then build the mix from there.
Now on a big stage, I mic everything.... thanks for commenting! Hope this helps!
@@soundasylumlive4421 oh nice! Thank you for the detailed response, it really does help. I was wondering if there were overheads in the mix somewhere. Even tho I couldn’t spot any I thought there may have been a chance some were there but thanks for clearing that up. The cymbals come thru nicely without being to harsh. Good call for holding back on the overheads, you definitely know what you’re doing. Awesome stuff! Keep it up!! 👍🏼
Very nice mix you got there! Sound great! What mixer are you using?
Thanks! I use a Midas Pro 1 Console with the Midas DL153 Stage Boxes via Cat5e cabling. Best sounding console I have ever used so far.
Nice! I have used the Midas pro series a few times, Pro2c. Great sounding mixer
@@highend-hu3rv The Pro 2C would have been my dream console. Awesome!
I had one other question, were you using the mic on the phone or are you using an external one? I want to get an external one for an android phone. Which one do you recommend?
@@highend-hu3rv - for this video, it was an attached Shure mic to the iPhone. It seemed to really help out but since then I have upgraded to the iPhone 13 Pro and it records as well as the mic attachment. Cell phone recordings have come a long ways so you may not need an external mic after all.
what about using the NX35a with the 8004s? I thougth a 12 would be better with an 18 for vocals.
Yeah I did do my research on this but ultimately an RCF rep that visited our shop convinced me to stick with the 15’s. For one, they are SPL rated higher than the NX32. The driver components are a bit beefier. The vertical horn dispersion is less on the NX 45’s by 10 degrees on the NX 32’s. That means I don’t have to tilt the 45’s downward as much as I would on the NX32’s indoors. The idea that vocals are better through 12’s used to be a real thing. With today’s speakers and processing, I’m not sure it is that audible in the context of a dense mix going on. However, it is just personal preference for me that I went with the 45’s with the 15” woofer in there. I would have gladly used the NX32’s any day. I have even used the HD32’s with great success but that is getting to the lower end of speakers I would use for a loud rock band. I could tell I could only go so loud before compression or limiters kicked in on the box. Don’t be afraid to try new things.... I’m blown away by the advances in speaker boxes now days. Thanks for commenting!
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Thank you Sir!
Have you ever tried a cardioid set up with the subs? I can't see needing it in a small format system but just curious.
I have. In fact, at one point, I messed with it quite a bit. To be honest, I have never had a band complain about too much low end on the stage. That alone made me question to even do it. From a FOH position, it doesn’t help me much, from a bands position, it helps to reduce low end....maybe too much low end...
As Dave Rat (FOH for Red Hot Chili Peppers) explained, it still leaves some strange artifacts in the overall sound no matter what way you try the cardioid....you just have to deal with it. I have experienced this as well.
I am SMAART certified through Rational Acoustics and I have done my best to learn how to time align all of the signals. It’s super fun to do and learn but in the end, if the band isn’t complaining of a huge low end overload onto the stage, then I would just keep the subs facing forward with + polarity.
Also, keep in mind, if there is a stage with a solid wall in front of it, a sub facing that wall will wreak havoc on everything. The rear facing sub needs space. So if the stage doesn’t have a front wall and the sub can project freely in space, it will work. I have seen some guys actually face it into a front stage lip / wall and it makes a mess of things.
Cool question! Hope this helps.
@@soundasylumlive4421 wow, thanks for the detailed answer. Very helpful. If I ever run into you I owe you a beer or three.
What are using for monitor wedges. Great mix BTW!!!
Thanks! I used 4 QSC K12’s most of the time but here I may have used an Alto and maybe a Mackie Thump as well. I was going to purchase a killer monitor rig but decided to upgrade my mixing console to a Midas Pro 1 with stage boxes. I do not regret doing that. Lol
10 out of 10 no one in South Afrika can sing like that not even close
Thanks Steven! You should hear him sing some AC/DC or Slaughter “Fly to the Angels”. He kills it!
hey I'm back. what mixer were you used? how do you manages the subgroup section? what i mean is. where subgroup do you send the vocal channels? does it at 1 and 2 subgroup out? and then the the rest of the instruments on 3 and 4 subgroup output? I'm still confused does subgroup faders affect the auxiliary output of the mixers? such as if the aux out were in post fade? if you know what i mean. when you reduce the threshold at subgroup out. the signal from the main would be also reduce. and does it affect the auxiliary output monitor? because what i've learned on my research. some of the aux of the digital mixer can be use to control the signal for the subwoofer fors separate output channel. instead of using the main mix output for the all signals at once.
Hey Carlos! I use a Midas Pro 1 console. I could use subgroups on it but it really isn't necessary with this board. The compressors work so well.
On my old Allen & Heath console, I used subgroups. Subgroup 1 was Drums. Subgroup 2 was Bass. Not really needed but it did offer an additional compressor that could be set to a different ratio. Subgroup 3 was guitars which works best if you can UNLINK the stereo subgroup. Otherwise, when it clamps down on one guitar, it will affect the other and that may not be a good thing. With that said, It is best to run stereo Subgroups UNLINKED. Subgroup 4 was Vocals.
YES subgroups are link or assigned to your Main out and will affect volume when you push them up or down. They should not affect AUXES. Auxes should have their own control and not be controlled by channel faders or subgroups. If they are, then you need to check the assignments or routing. Kinda hard to do on consoles less than $3,000 though. High end consoles allow you to do whatever you want, which could be a good thing or a very bad thing. Hope this helps!
@@soundasylumlive4421that's help a lot. thanks for the tips! now i understand the basic principles of subgroup faders. have you ever use your aux out to control your rcf sub 8004 as? as if I'm mistaken the aux out themselves have their own additional processors such as compressor, graphic band eq and parametric eq. do you use them to tuned your aux output signal before sending it to your subs?
@@carlotheatheist - I do use subs on an Aux. To help you understand exactly what that means is like this: Musician’s floor wedge monitors are on an aux right? They tell me the sound guy what they want in their monitor. Some want kick drum, some want snare, or guitar but most vocals and a combination of things. As a sound guy, I view the Aux Sub like, “what do I want to hear in the subs? That’s my AUX.... I want Kick, some floor toms, bass guitar and Keyboards, backing tracks if the band uses them....etc.... What I don’t want is vocals in the subs. Now most will say if you use a high pass filter, then NO vocals will get into the subs. I disagree with that. All you have to do is shut the Tops off and speak into the vocal mic and you will hear mud in the sub. Guitars can be the same way if the guitarist likes to add a bunch of low end.
Set your Aux Sub Aux to POST and the Aux master to UNITY. Otherwise it can mess with the crossover point making it a “floating” crossover point. Send to that aux what instruments you want to hear. That’s about it. If setup correctly, it should sound cleaner. Now this process can get complicated but this is the basics of it. As far as the processing on that aux sub, you may or may not need to use any of it but it is there if you do. My 8004’s have a set crossover point on the subs so no eq was needed for them BUT my NX45 tops doesn’t have a crossover in this configuration. In combination with the 8004’s, the 8004 Crossover was applied to the tops. In aux sub configuration they are not. So for the tops, I used a high pass filter applied to the Main Out EQ around 100Hz. That way the tops didn’t try to reproduce anything lower than 100hz. Since my speakers didn’t have an external DSP processor, I used an EQ to mimic one. Hey hope this helps!
@@soundasylumlive4421nice . i get all your explanation. that's crisp and clear explanation about monitor and subwoofer signal feed configuration.
80hz crossover? Just used my 945’s for the first time and was pretty impressed, But Still prefer the transient response of my HDL6a rig
My Tops are the NX45's. They have no HPF on them so they run down to whatever they run down to. Not bad for a acoustic artist. When I use my 8004 subs a high pass can be applied to them that is built into the 8004 amp module. So I can use a 90Hz high pass or a 120Hz high pass filter. I use the 90Hz HPF option and it gets applied to the Tops. It's a great small portable system. Thanks for commenting!
that's an expensive rcf nx series here in southeast Asia. at 1,489 usd.
but my target to buy is rcf art 312a mk4. that would be great paired for rcf 8004 either.
Sure! Those would work well. Keep rocking!
thanks. before. i was thinking if I'm just build a passive subwoofer with high class power amplifier which is qsc rmx 5050a with paired of dbx crossover . I'll just going to connect it through aux postfade of mixer.. then add some compressor to prevent the amp from distortion somehow. of course i will use rcf LF18x405. but when i realized that would be 3x expensive than a powered subwoofer itself which is same efficient to rcf 8004as. that's what i realized and I'm decided to buy soon. it could cost only 4,360 usd the rcf 8004-as. compare to diy subwoofer . it was around 5,500 usd for my estimation. including the plywood and the labor itself. plus all the wires..
@@carlotheatheist - yeah I built my own subs once and I have to say, the RCF 8004’s are really a great portable 18” sub. Two of those literally replaced 4 of my custom built subs. Plus, I was able to get rid of two of the amps (I was in stereo) and reduce the workload. Enjoy!
yes. were not in the 90s or 2000 anymore. Where you need to buy a lot of processors and gears just to create low frequency sounds for passive subwoofer..
yes. soon I'll upload my video here unboxing of rcf 8004 as. hey were you going to buy rcf 9004 soon too? I'm happy to see it soon either.
Love your videos, Jerry! This sounds fantastic. I just bought your book for Kindle.
I'm in the market for quality PA speakers for home full band jam sessions (10'x30' room basement with a low 7' ceiling). I would just control levels from Studio One on my PC. (Maybe small gigs eventually as well).
These RCF's sound great, though I'm sure are overkill for me. Would you have any suggestions on what size quality active PA speakers to look for? I use an e-kit and would definitely want something that thumps and handles the kick/bass/etc. (with some headroom to spare). I'm thinking 10" or 12" tops with a single 15" or 18" subwoofer? Maybe RCF has a scaled down version of this?
Also...I'm curious...on the Whitesnake tune there's a part where heavy reverb kicks in on the vocals. Do you know how those vocal effects are being triggered live?
Sorry, this a lot. Thank you for the great videos and great information!
Bob
Hey Bob, thanks for picking up the book! I hope there are some things in there that can help you get your PA sounding great so you can put together a killer mix. Well, RCF just makes some great stuff. They have smaller versions compared to my rig. There really isn’t anything they make that sounds bad. It all sounds really good but the smaller systems can be hurt more easily if you ask it to do what it is not designed to do. For example, if I mixed this band through a EVOX system and tried to make it sound the way I did in this video, it would hurt it if not, blow up some drivers. However, at a lower volume, it may do fine. Learning to mix and eliminating harsh frequencies and mud can allow you to push into the system more and not hurt it. Hope that makes sense.
As far as the vocal effects go in the video. I mixed these bands on my Midas Pro 1 by the way..... I take a vocal delay and leave it unassigned from the left right on the console. This takes away the first hard repeat. I then go out of the delay into a reverb and blend the two. It adds delay onto the reverb tail making it sound smoother. No constant delay repeats. Now there are times where you want to do hard repeats but in this song, I chose not too.
I also EQ effects.... I will apply a high pass on the delay up to 300-400 Hz and a low pass on the top around 3-4K... just depends. So it looks a rounded hump on an EQ. You don’t want to repeat low frequencies and hi frequencies.... just middle frequencies. These are adjustable of course and you just have to play around and see what sounds good to you. I don’t EQ too much on the reverb.... maybe a little.
As far as activating the effects live..... they are on a FX Return. You can throw delays from Returns or Sends. Whatever is easier for you or sounds better to you. I have used both. I also use Tap Tempo to set the milliseconds for throws which is usually 1/2 time on a normal tempo.
Hope this helps!
Edit: I should probably clarify that even though the delay is unassigned the Reverb isn’t. It gets assigned to the Left Right Main on the console.
@@soundasylumlive4421 Thanks for the detailed response! I'm sure I'll learn a lot from your book and will put it to good use.
I was looking at the RCF NX-32A (12" version of your 45A). Generally speaking, would you expect I run into sound problems in a smaller place (like my 11'x32' basement)? I know these speakers are designed to "throw sound" long distances...though I imagine they'd still sound great at a lower volume with all the instruments through them if mixed right for the room (I'll also be putting acoustic paneling up).
Also...does your book touch on minimizing feedback? I'd like to try and prevent this too. Thanks again, Jerry!
@@BOBopalooza The NX32’s are a little brother to the NX45’s... basically a 15” to a 12”. I could do the same with the 32’s. They are a great speaker. It still is overkill for a basement but you would have high end audio that will not run out of headroom. Boxes in the ART series would still be great for basement work. May save some cash.
Yes, in the book I talk about different ways to combat feedback potential. Singers that stay behind the speakers and give you the gain up front from their voices is the best strategy BUT you will always run into that “whisper” singer who is used to singing out in the backyard under a tree with no competing noise that also doesn’t keep the mic close to her mouth so it becomes combat audio quick. I talk about some things that will definitely help. Having great speakers where they are tuned good helps immensely and the RCF’s are great for that.
Great sound. How many NX45 you have here in this video buddy ?
Sorry for the delayed response. Only two. Just a left and right top on some sticks. Each box weighs about 53-54 pounds. Get them up in the air and they do their job well.
@@soundasylumlive4421 Thanks for the reply. What do you think about 8004-AS, is it worth buying. I'm torn between the FBT HORIZON VHA 118SA which is rated at 2500 WATT rms / 144 db maximum spl and the RCF 8004-AS. Today I went to a nearby store and listened to the 8004-AS, it had a good powerful punch but I think I'm going to get the FBT HORIZON sub for the same price.
@@pajtimdj - several reasons led up to me going with the 8004’s. Number one being the company I worked for was an RCF Dealer. So I knew the customer support was going to be very good (still is) and number two, I was able to get them at dealer cost. Yeah..... so as you can imagine that saved me quite a bit. I bought RCF tops to go along with the 8004 Subs so I knew that the way RCF tunes everything, the phase between the tops and bottoms were going to be aligned already.
The FBT’s look great. We had some FBT monitor wedges in stock one time and they were killer. So if you are getting the vibe that the FBT’s are the way to go, then I would do it. What brand (make and model) are your tops? I would want to stay with one brand all the way through (tops and bottoms and wedges) if possible but I know that isn’t always the case.
@@soundasylumlive4421 I have 2 RCF 4PRO 30331-A and 2 RCF NX 985-A which I bought them lately. I'm looking to buy 2 single 18 subs,I'm not willing to go with double 18 inch subs as they are big and heavy to carry. So I'm between the 8004-AS 1250 watt rms and the FBT HORIZON VHA 118SA 2500 watt rms 144 db maximum spl. The HORIZON sub from FBT seems to be a good match for my RCF NX 985-A so I'm thinking to get a pair. On the other side the RCF 8004-AS is a great subwwofer as I've listened to it yesterday but I think is a bit underpowered next to the NX 985-A so the FBT HORIZON VHA 118SA would be the proper match. I've been told that the FBT HORIZON sub is really powerful.
wow ! this great sound, so clear !
Could you please ask the drummer if you know him or the sound engineer what snare drum is used for the jazz piece?
Thank's
Hi Chris - I was the sound engineer for this event. The bands name is “Courtez & Friends” and it is the one and only time I have worked with those guys. However, I do know the bass player so I might be able to figure out the type of snare the drummer uses. The drummer’s name is Courtez Banks located in central Illinois, U.S.
I will see what I can find. Thanks for commenting!
with art 912a and 8003 AS II can I get a similar result? Thank you!
Sure! Especially indoors where boundaries can help with volume.... also with low end build up, which may not be desirable. Outdoors... I would watch the meters on the console and of course your speaker boxes. Yellow is fine... even a bouncing RED occasionally. I would definitely mix on it!
do you know any differencs between the NX line and the ART line? I'm looking at the ART...
Hey Donny - If I remember correctly, they are very similar if not identical except the enclosure material. Baltic Birch box vs. a molded composite box. Most people won't know the difference. Most sound guys may favor the Baltic Birch box and honestly, I would to.
I have compared them both side by side before. Before I did this channel.... the Baltic Birch reproduces the LOW MID area better. It just keeps it together better in my opinion. I have NO issue mixing on either box and I doubt most people would hear a difference. The ART line is more affordable and lighter. You really can't go wrong with them. Enjoy!
@@soundasylumlive4421 My first event this past Saturday with them was excellent. Very happy with these tops.
Nice video what’s the second bands name they are good on point 👌🏾🔥
Spurs & Lace. It is my wife’s country band that likes to go Whitesnake on the crowd from time to time.
SoundAsylumLive nice thanks and the sound is amazing clean hitting hard I own few rcf products and fbt keep up nice work post more video bsafe blessings ✌🏾❤️
@@mrproblemchild88able I am hoping to do some more videos soon. Got derailed a little bit with life's little fire's popping up... Lol Thanks for commenting!
Hey Jerry I bought your book and just got it today and love it. Question? I have a pair of RCF Nx 932A speakers with a Yamaha DXS 18 XFL sub with DSp. From the main l&r outs on my stage box mixer I go to the subs then from the sub outs I go to each RCF. The Sub has a built in crossover which I have set to 90 Hz. Would you still recommend a dbx driverack to set the RCF speakers Eq? I have a rta analyzer app on both my iPhone and iPad to notch out monitors and also have a 31 channel graphic eq on the mains. Thank you!
Hey Rick! Awesome! Thanks so much. In this case I do not think I would use a Drive Rack. You would be adding more A/D conversion that isn't necessary. The only possible benefit is if you needed electronic delay to delay the sub relative to the top or vice versa. The only way to know would be to measure the system with SMAART. When I got my RCF Rig, I measured the heck out of everything and there was no way I could get a better phase response, magnitude response or alignment delay than what the manufacturer already achieved. It literally was a point and shoot system that was fantastic right out of the box. So I would skip the driverack for the main setup. I really don't think it will help. Now if the Yamaha Subs have electronic delay option on them, that may be helpful if you knew for sure the subs needed delayed compared to the tops. Only way to know is to measure using a program like SMAART to do that. So leave your MAIN EQ on your console FLAT to start with and then as you play some good music you know, make adjustments to the MAIN EQ if you really need to. Outdoors you shouldn't need to do anything. Indoors, it would almost always be low and low mid frequencies that build up due to the room. I think I went over it pretty good in the book. "Ringing out the room" or "Tuning the system in the Room"....
Hey, I hope this helps! Reach out anytime!
Thanks for your help, Jerry appreciate it very much. I’ve only been in this mixing game for about 4 years and as you said in your book it’s a lifetime process. It never ends! The only good thing is being a musician first and the good Lord giving me a pretty good set of ears. I’m not being biased here but of all the systems I’ve mixed on QSC, JBL, Yamaha, EV and I agree with you that the RCF’s sound the best right out the gate. My first RCF boxes were the Evox 8’s, annd still have them. My neighbor would come over and play his Taylor acoustic through them and was amazed what they sounded like. I was still working at that time and got up at 3 am and it was like 9:30 and told him that I was going to have to put up a Motel 6 sign “We’ll keep the light on for ya”. Lol getting deeper into your book, thanks again!
also how did you get the tops that high? it is hard to put on a pole on that height
They are on Ultimate Hydraulic Assist Stands. They go fairly high and are super stable. Put speaker box on pole and release the knob and the hydraulic pressure allows you to raise them up with one arm/hand easily. At the end of the gig.... pull speaker back down compressing the pole back into the cylinder and tighten it back up in the loaded position for the next gig.
By the way David Coverdale is leaving Whitesnake this singer should really think about getting together it for a audition He's definitely got The Goods 👍
I'm interested in a pair of these RCF 8004AS subs, and am currently comparing the size / output with the Danley TH118XL. Does anyone have experience in using one over the other? Low frequency extension + output of a pair of these vs one TH118XL.
Sorry for the delay. The last two weeks have been brutal... I can't really say much on the TH118XL's. I am around them quite a bit and they go off to churches mostly to be installed and by the time they are tuned by some other staff I work with, they just seem okay to me.... nice and smooth. I have yet to take some out to a live gig and mix a rock band through them like I have the 8004's. I can only say that you really can't go wrong with a pair of 8004's. They will do the job. They are powered as well and the TH118's require an amp and an amp rack and DSP on them. So with that said, that is going to drive the cost up. The 8004's are portable with great castors on them and it is just a really good single 18 sub. However, if cost isn't an issue, you can't go wrong with either one. Hope that helps. I wish I had more time on the TH Danley's.
jeez these speakers are loud enough!
Do you think worth the upgrade from nx 32a to tt22a ii. Im having a hard time to pick.
I’m not sure what your normal gig requires but the cost difference between the NX32 up to the TT22a doesn’t make sense to me. You may get a bit of improved audio quality. The TT line will handle higher SPL better perhaps..... but the RDnet option on the TT22a will add $750 or so per box to the total price. You then have to buy at least, a Control 2 interface, several Cat5 cables and hook up more cabling to more than likely not EQ much on it. At least nothing that couldn’t be handled on the mixing board. My opinion is stay where you. If you can’t do that, make the quantum jump to the TTL6’s. Then you will need more subs to keep up with those tops and the next thing you know you are $20,000 into this sound addiction. I have totally been there... Lol. Good Luck!
@@soundasylumlive4421 Im just using it for home audio and wont be doing a band or anything. I will just have a mixer and the speakers. Will only play around 50-60 percent of the volume I want something wow me on the clarity and natural vocal sing sing. If you rate 10/10 what are your rate nx32a to the tt22a ii series. Thanks a lot for your fast responded. I can demo them where I live thats why I have hard time.
The TT22a’s are better sounding than the NX32’s and most definitely more expensive. I still wouldn’t spend the extra cash on something g like that for a home studio. I would check into some better suited home theatre speakers or maybe look at “Fulcrum Acoustics” speakers designed by Dave Gunness. Incredible audio clarity.
Like I was saying before, you will pay an extra $750 per top just because of RDnet capabilities on the TT22a’s plus the interface to control them.... another $400 or so..... it just doesn’t make financial sense.
Great sound, what settings on subs are you using, are you cutting everything below 50 on eq also?
I actually use the “Deep Punch” setting on the subs and I do not cut anything EQ wise on the subs when I am outdoors. Indoors? If there is a build up, which in my case is always around 60-63hz, I may dip that down to tame the low end. Sometimes the buildup frequency is lower, sometimes higher. Just depends on the room. I should clarify.... I use the main EQ for room changes and not the individual channels.
However, I use the high pass filter on the console on almost everything. Thanks for commenting!
A very good set up and sounds great. Please I want to know how many 12inch and 18inches active subwoofer do you use, what model mixer you use as well.thanks
The two tops (RCF NX45’s) have 15’s in them. One 15” woofer per top. I struggled in the decision process of going with 12” model vs. the 15” model but after hearing and using the 15’s, I had to go with those. It’s an amazing 54 pound powered box with “FIR” filters.
The subs are the RCF 8004’s and they have a single 18” speaker in each of them. The mixer is a Midas Pro 1 with two Midas DL 153 stage racks.
An expensive setup but it has paid for itself easily in one year. Thanks for commenting!
@@soundasylumlive4421 thanks very much sir I really appreciate you, and honestly I like your setup it sounds great
@@patomansvibration6521 - Thanks!
try the 8004's placed horn in horn( even if one of them is placed with the side feet in air ) , you will thank me later :)
The 8004’s are subs so I’m not sure what you are saying. However, the RCF TTL6’s work great in pairs with the horns closer together which means the top box gets turned on its head so the horn is close to the bottom box horn.