Of course not!! I just said, this is the kind of stuff that keeps teams like the Lions, in the basement. You didn't have to be a HOF NFL front office guy to see this guy wasn't ready. Until they have a guy running that team, its just gonna be groundhogs day yr after yr. Wanna see how to change the direction of a team? Look at the Jags! Get somebody in there that knows HOW to change a culture! Matt seems like a good guy, but in the NFL that's not enough.
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED ... I seldom agree with Skip, but he’s right about Patricia. He’s no ready. He’s bout as pointless as Tomsula was in San Fran. Nobody knows where he came from or where he is now. These type coaches need a D3 to D2 level college before even getting a D1-AA, let alone, a D1-A or NFL gig. I’m all about experience. But what most coaches coming in don’t understand is that the last place you would want to be an assistant at is with the Pats under Bill. The same reason I respect him as a coach is the same reason I dislike his coaching style. He’s runs everything so if he fail, it was his vision done his way...👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. But that also stifles the rest of the coaching staff. They have to learn from afar. That’s not a place to be if you’re trying to be on that level someday. Maybe later on in your career after you’ve operated a few lower level locker rooms or so, but not right of. I’m thrilled to see the ride and how long this charade goes on in Detroit.
@Joshua Pultz he also set the record for the Lions with the most wins in a 4 years. When you are a historically terrible organization you dont fire the guy who managed to make you somewhat successful unless you have an amazing coach lined up... obviously the Lions didnt have that.
i would imagine someone like jerry jones would have gotten rid of him long ago, especially of having a lot of control of what goes on behind closed doors there.
Stanley Robinson the story of every coordinator/asst coach who came from New England since 01 lol I don’t think anyone was successful in nfl when they left bellichek
Cole Train Haven’t the patriots defense been trash under him? Thought he was overrated as a defensive coordinator. I see why Bill was happy for him to go to Detroit.
@Altitude Magic Isn't it though? You don't think other QBs have lined up knowing the defense knows the play. I could care less about the coach but Stafford has to play better, adjust, improvise and recognize.
Stafford been in the game too long not to adjust on his own even if the jets did know the plays and that don't mean just because they knew the plays he has to throw picks
I agree, but I also feel like week 1 judgements are worth less than a nickel... still it will take a monstrous rebound to convince me Caldwell should've been replaced.
I'm just now seeing this in week 7 of 2020 and didn't notice the video was two years old until about halfway through. That tells you everything about how he's run this team.
and that's why i can't support the team anymore. you have a coach completely turn a losing team around after giving us a 0/16 season and he gets them to the 1st round of the playoffs and you fired him to go get an unproven assistant coach to take them to the next level, you already had the coach to take you to the next level and you fired him. no more lions insanity for me. i'v been a fan since Barry Sanders and Wayne Fonce.
They have started to win and I'm not changing my position. Real fans realize when the ownership has no desire to make the team better. I don't have a death I support life and if it's dead it's dead and as long as the Fords own the lions their a dead team. I love how someone else always wants to try to call somebody else out on their support. We support garbage till the end not me anymore.
@@mirrorcheck7273 caldwell won with a Schwartz built team. You can't just ignore that. Like you can't ignore that the one who started the turn around wasn't caldwell it was Schwartz
This criticism was posted September 2018, Matt Patricia's incompetence was evident to these sports announcers, and possibly others who bit their tongues. Therefore why did it take another season and a half for the Detroit organization to see what everyone was viewing. Furthermore, he was given more latitude than Jim Caldwell, and I'll leave my criticism right there.
Wow. Turned out to be a rare W for Skiiiiiuuup Bayless Matt Patricia and Bob Quinn ruined this team and set us back several YEARS. They somehow some way made our defense WORSE than our defense in 2008, which was the 0-16 year. HOW. HOW. HOW is that even possible?
I don't really get what Detroit saw in Matt Patricia. I'm a Patriots fan and I was happy to see him leave. McDaniels, Belichick, and Brady carry the Patriots; Patricia's defense was atrocious.
@Altitude Magic Josh McDaniels has a subpar head coaching track record, but he has been incredibly successful as an offensive coordinator, which is what the Patriots ask him to be. Hence him being part of what "carries the Patriots". I wouldn't want my team to hire him as HC, but he's pretty vital to what they've been able to do in New England.
Welp The Lions players loved Caldwell .. he was a great coach and Quinn took him out for his buddy.. get rid of Quinn and Matt P and bring back Jim if he’ll come back and finish business with Stafford.. would be a nice story
When have the lions ever done what was best for the team and fans? this is just more of the same insanity, why did they fire Caldwell in the first place and then looked to replace him with basically a unknown to take them further, just not intelligent at all.
Lol. All of a sudden Jim Caldwell doesn't look so bad, does he? That's why Marvin Lewis is still the coach for the Bengals. His owner isn't a fool and knows it could be worse.
So you're idea of someone who ISN'T a fool is an owner that says, "Well, Lewis has been here forever and we haven't won a playoff game yet and we have been nothing but losers.... but it could be worse! I'll happily be one of the most irrelevant NFL franchises as long as we are THE worst!!"?
Dude, isn't there a point where you have to admit that a coach isn't championship caliber? Lewis is in his 16th season as the Bengals head coach, and his team has never appeared in a divisional round playoff game. His 7 playoff losses include 4 home losses and 5 double-digit losses. One of the two games that was close was one of the most dreadful choke jobs you will ever witness, the 2015 loss to the Steelers. To put it in perspective, after Lewis, the head coach with the most playoffs losses with a single team without a win is Jim Mora, who was 0-4 with the Saints and coached 10 full seasons with them before he resigned. (Yes, he actually swallowed his pride and did what Lewis should've done a while back.) The Bengals are 100% averse to playoff success, and they will remain that way as long as Lewis is the head coach. The Bengals are stuck in NFL limbo. When they are good, they are the best of the worst teams and the worst of the best teams. Hiring a new coach every two years is not the key to success, but neither is keeping a coach for 16 years who demonstrated a long time ago he can't get it done.
Some folks think its a race issue. Lets see, Jim Schwartz got 5 years to clean up the Rod Marinelli mess. Discount the 2009 2-14 trash fire after Marinelli's 2008 0-16 season. Schwartz went 27-37 with one playoff appearance and 1 winning season in the remaining 4 years. Jim Caldwell went 36-28 in 4 seasons, with 2 playoff appearances, and was one win away from beating out Atlanta for the last playoff spot in 2017. He had three winning seasons out of his four years, and the first time the Lions recorded consecutive winning seasons in 22 years! So why fire Caldwell? And hire the unproven white coach whose only claim to fame is that he works for someone smarter than him? And has a pencil over his ear? Management didn't see enough to continue building on Caldwell's efforts? Caldwell won more games than the last three Lion coaches COMBINED (Marinelli (12) , Mariucci (15) and Mornhinweg (5) , and more games than Bobby Ross (27). In fact, Jim Caldwell won more games than any coach not named Wayne Fontes in the previous 28 years!!! And management still needed "to move in another direction?" So why fire Caldwell, and hire the unproven white coach? What was Patricia brining to the table? He wasn't Sean McVay or Andy Reid , or even Mike Zimmer! He didn't have a "Doomsday Defense", or a "Steel Curtain", or any innovative defensive scheme. He was an D-line coach from a winning team with no HC experience. I know what you're thinking. "A NFL team wouldn't get rid of a winning black coach just to claim success with a white one!" Well, 1) google Dungy, Tony; and 2) its the mother f@@ Detroit Lions. I rest my case.
Caldwell had to go. Same issues over and over and over again for 4 years, the mistake was our Gm and Patricia were straight clowns. Firing Caldwell was the right move the team wasn’t going anywhere significant with him. never beat good teams, always fall behind then make 2nd half comebacks (vs bad/average teams only). Stop with the race BS, Caldwell was solid but very flawed, the mistake was hiring the embarrassment that was Patricia.
Just because you have an aeronautical engineering degree from RPI doesn't mean you can coach a football team well. Who cares if you're a rocket scientist; we're not building rockets, we're coaching football. The rocket scientist thing is getting pretty annoying.
Wait why are we giving him the benefit of the doubt when they lost the 11 last straight games, and before that 1 win they last 3 straight! Bro I normally agree with you but as a Detroit resident being told 9-7 isn't good enough?! now my team over 3 years has won 9 total games...he needs to go asap!
Teams just assume they can get the next great head coach from Bill Belicheck's school of puppets. I could say the same for teams who have plucked assistant coaches from the Carolina Panthers. Steve Wilks in AZ and McDermott in Buffalo. If I had to hire a head coach from another team, I'd probably take one from Andy Reid coaching tree.
The Andy Reid tree is really the paul brown, bill Walsh, mike Holmgren, coaching tree !!! All hall of fame coaches except for one who is probably soon to be!! Who is in the hall except for bellacheck? Can't think of any !!!
What did Matt Patricia sell the Detriot Lions? His defense in New England was atrocious but yet he has a head coaching job in the NFL. Plus Bill Beliechick coaching three is not impressive to say the least. There are more qualified coaches out there that the Lions could have taken over Patricia.
Bob Quinn came from NE that's why he got the job. Quinn has sabotaged a roster that had talent but needed to fix a few positions. Now with his personnel decisions by drafting and FA decisions the roster is so talent deprived among the front 7 and at WR
Coaching tree is the most important thing to consider when picking a head coach. That's why if I'm looking for a new HC, I want someone from the Chiefs because Andy Reid has the GOAT coaching tree.
1) There have been plenty assistant coaches who became great head coaches 2) Bill O Brien coached Penn State before becoming the Houston. He also had the pressure of bringing them back and having a winning culture after the NCAA sanctions and was the schools first head coach post Joe Paterno...
He's just isn't able to coach in the modern era. Maybe in the 80s he would be a 9-7 coach but not when offensive minded coaches like mcvay and Pedersen are around
Mat Patricia is trying to be like Belichick but Bill had Tom Brady. Now that Brady is gone Bill Belichick will never win another superbowl ever again. Brady will get another superbowl.
Players are frustrated that they have to work more and with rule changes. Apparently, they are satisfied with the rules that made them losers. They are satisfied with wild card appearances. As long as they get their paychecks.
Chris cox patricia was NOT the DC when the patriots won their first three Super Bowls. Wtf are you talking about? He was like a line backer coach or something back then.
the game started off good for him but it ended bad it's just one game on to the next one Matt still cheering for you homie best of luck with your coaching career
there's a new article in detroit free press that patricia is late to his own meetings. unqualified to be a head coach. this hire set the franchise back 5 years
I’ve been watching football every week now for only 3 years, I wish I got in to it sooner. Can anyone with expert knowledge of this sport tell me what is likely to happen to Matt Patricia this season?
And we know why. Those great coaches set up their disciples for success. But look at what we learned with the Josh McDaniel Colts unhiring. Belicheck had to lure McDaniels back with language in the contract stating that Bill will include Josh in the day-to-day preparations and operations from a head coach perspective. When I heard that, I was thinking "shouldn't the head coach be already doing that with his staff?" The Patriots atmosphere is so guarded, so isolated, dare I say so paranoid, that Bill doesn't want any other person besides him to grasp the full picture. That's not a recipe for success when those guys head out on their own. You can see the pride in Andy Reid when his guys head coach other teams and do well. Not so much Bill Belicheck. In fact Bill is so competitive his lack of generosity in sharing knowledge is probably by design. He doesn't want those guys coming back to beat him. He might have taught everything that they know, but he won't ever teach them everything he knows.
@@dcollins8718 Yeah because Tom Brady was the reason the patriots defense has ranked in the top ten every year Bill has been there. let me guess, you also think Tom Brady kicked all those game winning field goals and picked off Wilson in the end zone?
It’s not a mistake. Detroit needs it. They’ll get over it. This is just an eye opener for the team and realization of how good they are. Time for the players to make a decision if they want to keep riding the ship and be warriors or show your true colors and jump off the ship. That simple🤷♂️
Patricia terrible Caldwell terrible not winning big with nither one white black red green don't matter not about race after Losing for decades it's about W L's period
Caldwell has a good head coaching record. 62-50 overall. 26-22 in Indy, including the 2-14 non-Manning season and he was 36-28 in Detroit. I'm sure there are a lot of organizations that would love to have a coach with a record like that. I don't think it is a racial issue, though. I think the Lions are just a poorly ran organization that routinely shoot themselves in the foot with their incompetence.
Btw Belichick DID NOT call the defense. Patricia did. Now Bill is running the defense with Flores and theres a noticeable difference in the play calling
Gimme a break. Matt Patricia cannot take that organization down any further as this team can only go up. This team has to start drafting a better QB and some field leaders. Only one pro bowler over the last 5 years if my memory serves me. These players have to understand they are seeing constant change due to the lack of wins. Why on earth would it be a problem to mimic a winning formula or atmosphere like New England. It may not work, but damn you have to start somewhere.
@@kyj060792 but zero playoff wins. Thats what these shmucks fail to mention. Making the playoffs shouldnt be good enough. I dont care about history. I just want at least one playoff win.
I am not a huge fan of Patricia and the Pats coaching staff getting head coaching jobs. But to be fair. The media said the same about Doug Pederson and ended up winning the super bowl. But I’m not sure why former patriots assistant coaches just don’t work out as head coaches. But he deserves a chance
Skip does have a point. NFL teams would be wise to look harder at certain college coaches who have the head coaching experience rather than flying blind with an assistant in his first head coach gig.
Bro she was the play by play in the Broncos week one opener last year no that crow caw when Von Miller sacked Rivers made me cringe 😫😖. Btw Go Broncos Patriots suck 🤣
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Is Matt Patricia a good fit for Detroit?
Im a good fit for Patricia I mean Detroit
Of course not!! I just said, this is the kind of stuff that keeps teams like the Lions, in the basement. You didn't have to be a HOF NFL front office guy to see this guy wasn't ready. Until they have a guy running that team, its just gonna be groundhogs day yr after yr. Wanna see how to change the direction of a team? Look at the Jags! Get somebody in there that knows HOW to change a culture! Matt seems like a good guy, but in the NFL that's not enough.
@Roni , yeah coaches from that NE tree haven't been good in recent history. To see why that's been the case is easy, they can't take Tom Brady. Gezz
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED ... I seldom agree with Skip, but he’s right about Patricia. He’s no ready. He’s bout as pointless as Tomsula was in San Fran. Nobody knows where he came from or where he is now. These type coaches need a D3 to D2 level college before even getting a D1-AA, let alone, a D1-A or NFL gig. I’m all about experience. But what most coaches coming in don’t understand is that the last place you would want to be an assistant at is with the Pats under Bill. The same reason I respect him as a coach is the same reason I dislike his coaching style. He’s runs everything so if he fail, it was his vision done his way...👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. But that also stifles the rest of the coaching staff. They have to learn from afar. That’s not a place to be if you’re trying to be on that level someday. Maybe later on in your career after you’ve operated a few lower level locker rooms or so, but not right of. I’m thrilled to see the ride and how long this charade goes on in Detroit.
Matt Patricia fits as well with the lions as womens shorts fits to a grown man
I wonder why this is trending and recommended for me? Perhaps it’s still 100% accurate......
Skip hit it on the nose
Crazy...
3 years now any other coach would've gotten fired
Lmao exactly
Jim Caldwell's last season was 9-7...in 2020 Patricia has 10 wins since he's been hired. This isn't advanced math.
😂😂
@Moe Alk and 2018
Caldwell only beat 5 winning teams in 4 years and had zero division titles and zero playoff wins
@@joshuapultz4984 and Patricia had....?
@Joshua Pultz he also set the record for the Lions with the most wins in a 4 years. When you are a historically terrible organization you dont fire the guy who managed to make you somewhat successful unless you have an amazing coach lined up... obviously the Lions didnt have that.
Who’s here after Matt Patricia and Bob Quinn got fired?😂
This what happens when you hire your friends. Did Jim Caldwell dirty and I’m glad Bob Quinn gone cause he sucked at drafting. Falcons fan
RUclips recommended it 🥴
Just by looking at Bob Quinn, he doesn't look like the kind of guy who should be anywhere near a football stadium. No business whatsoever.
Yesssir!!!!!!!!! Cause that hire was so f*ckin stoopid!!!
The REAL question is, what qualifies Jason Garrett to be a head a coach?!?..10 years of mediocre seasons..
Only head coach ive ever seen ice their own kicker.
Get out of my head!!!!!!!!
i would imagine someone like jerry jones would have gotten rid of him long ago, especially of having a lot of control of what goes on behind closed doors there.
Worked for Jeff Fisher...until it didn't
True but he's got no chance with JJ looking over his shoulder...
Anyone watchig this after Patricia got fired?
Matt Patricia got the Coaching In Detriot only because he was a Coach In New England,
Stanley Robinson the story of every coordinator/asst coach who came from New England since 01 lol I don’t think anyone was successful in nfl when they left bellichek
Thanks, Captain Obvious.
Stanley Robinson typically someone's previous employment is going to have a direct impact on future employment. Typically
Plain and simple
Stanley Robinson Affiliation! Not Talent!
He is a defensive coach and let up 48 to the Jets🤣🤣🤣
Cole Train & 41 in the super bowl 😃
Well if you get 4 short fields it doesn't really help you either HAHAHA but it's really weird how he became HC
Cole Train Haven’t the patriots defense been trash under him? Thought he was overrated as a defensive coordinator. I see why Bill was happy for him to go to Detroit.
Umm but why is the blame being put on Patricia... Did anyone see Stafford play... HE WAS TRASH... PERIOD
Don Krieg 95 lol nah they haven't been trash.... staunch against the run and amazing in the redzone. NE is ALWAYS top 10 pts scored against
I'm So Glad we now have MC/DC
Coach Caldwell and the Detroit Lions won the Superbowl in 2018 in a another dimension.
You know damn well that Skip follows Sean Lee on Twitter and IG.
Maybe on one of his burner accounts
Sean Lee should coach the Lions
Hahaha might be the best sean lee joke in a while. People getting too generic with it
Brandon Lee He used to follow Tony Romo on Twitter
Sean lee
When your franchise QB throws 4 picks it doesn't help.
@Altitude Magic Isn't it though? You don't think other QBs have lined up knowing the defense knows the play. I could care less about the coach but Stafford has to play better, adjust, improvise and recognize.
Stafford been in the game too long not to adjust on his own even if the jets did know the plays and that don't mean just because they knew the plays he has to throw picks
I rate Stafford as a QB but he looked horrific that game worst I've ever seen him play.
Jim bob cooter might be the worst oc in football
And winning just 6 games against teams with winning records doesn't help.
Man this segment aged well
Like a fine wine.
Best show ever👍🔥
Kind of prefer Skip vs Stephen A
Shannon sharp is way more entertaining 👍#golbj
Way better than first take
Inside the NBA then this 👍
They should've kept Caldwell as coach.
They looked better than this under him
I agree, but I also feel like week 1 judgements are worth less than a nickel... still it will take a monstrous rebound to convince me Caldwell should've been replaced.
Pear Head Definitely, i felt that way before they even hired Patricia. Can't get blown out like that at home, season opener, on national television.
Caldwell was a great coach
As a long time lions fan . No we shouldn’t have
It's 2020, and at first glance at the headline, I thought it was a new video.
I swear I did
Look at Vrabel, smart and runs the ship his way.
He played under Belichick and was an assistant to Urban Meyer. He was going to be a successful coach based on the knowledge he has received.
The Lions turned down Vrabel for a guy who can't even run, and thinks having a pencil in his ear makes him a genius.
Shannon best NFL analyst on TV. Love listening to this guy
Shannon is the main reason why I watch this awesome show. Skip needs to stop trolling cause even though it's Hilarious asf, it's kind of annoying.
Its their formula and it works for them. Skip and Shannon need to stay the same.
Bro if skip wasn't on the show I bet you wouldn't watch it and the ratings would drop .
@@a.ortega4505 Shannon is the reason I watch this show.
Xavier Woodley there would be no show is they didn’t debate .
I love the formula. Skip is a hater but he's our hater.
Skip was right lol. Matt Patricia is now unemployed 😂
I'm just now seeing this in week 7 of 2020 and didn't notice the video was two years old until about halfway through. That tells you everything about how he's run this team.
and that's why i can't support the team anymore. you have a coach completely turn a losing team around after giving us a 0/16 season and he gets them to the 1st round of the playoffs and you fired him to go get an unproven assistant coach to take them to the next level, you already had the coach to take you to the next level and you fired him. no more lions insanity for me. i'v been a fan since Barry Sanders and Wayne Fonce.
Youd pick your jersey out of the closet pretty quick if they start winning. Real fans dont leave. You can whine and complain, but you never leave.
They have started to win and I'm not changing my position. Real fans realize when the ownership has no desire to make the team better. I don't have a death I support life and if it's dead it's dead and as long as the Fords own the lions their a dead team. I love how someone else always wants to try to call somebody else out on their support. We support garbage till the end not me anymore.
@@mirrorcheck7273 caldwell won with a Schwartz built team. You can't just ignore that. Like you can't ignore that the one who started the turn around wasn't caldwell it was Schwartz
2 years later and we re still wondering the same thing
Bill Belichick runs the defense up in New England, Matt Patricia was just the play caller & he was always to conservative when calling plays
This criticism was posted September 2018, Matt Patricia's incompetence was evident to these sports announcers, and possibly others who bit their tongues. Therefore why did it take another season and a half for the Detroit organization to see what everyone was viewing. Furthermore, he was given more latitude than Jim Caldwell, and I'll leave my criticism right there.
Sean Payton is another assistant who became a great head coach
Dude has drew brees too.
Imachowderhead exactly
truth
A great head coach?
Dude won one Super Bowl with a quarterback that should have multiple.
I don’t know about great head coach but he is a great offensive mind. How good he really is will be determined when Drew leaves.
Imachowderhead drew Brees is overrated
Thank you Skip. We need better in Detroit Period!
Dan Campbell: I can fix that.
@@mach6893 Yeah he ain’t gone do it just for the simple fact he’s showing in these last three games he don’t make the right calls!
Wow. Turned out to be a rare W for Skiiiiiuuup Bayless
Matt Patricia and Bob Quinn ruined this team and set us back several YEARS. They somehow some way made our defense WORSE than our defense in 2008, which was the 0-16 year. HOW. HOW. HOW is that even possible?
I don't really get what Detroit saw in Matt Patricia. I'm a Patriots fan and I was happy to see him leave. McDaniels, Belichick, and Brady carry the Patriots; Patricia's defense was atrocious.
butchbrittany Brian Flores will be more aggressive, the defense was way better week 1
Exactly what i was thinking the d looks good already since he gone
Patricia's defense was not atrocious.
@Altitude Magic McDaniels has a 11-17 record as a head coach. Not good by any stretch. But not even close to the worst resumes
@Altitude Magic Josh McDaniels has a subpar head coaching track record, but he has been incredibly successful as an offensive coordinator, which is what the Patriots ask him to be. Hence him being part of what "carries the Patriots". I wouldn't want my team to hire him as HC, but he's pretty vital to what they've been able to do in New England.
Skip and Shannon on point here💯
Welp The Lions players loved Caldwell .. he was a great coach and Quinn took him out for his buddy.. get rid of Quinn and Matt P and bring back Jim if he’ll come back and finish business with Stafford.. would be a nice story
When have the lions ever done what was best for the team and fans? this is just more of the same insanity, why did they fire Caldwell in the first place and then looked to replace him with basically a unknown to take them further, just not intelligent at all.
Awesome comment
What qualified Skip to be head of a National TV show
😂😂😂😂😂
Check his resume hes qualified.
Being wrong all the time hardly qualifies him. He's been garbage everywhere he's been. People are just attracted to train wrecks/garbage
Being a troll
@@TheCoryCChannel garbage? 42 years of writing about sports and being around athletes. He must be doing something right.
Lol. All of a sudden Jim Caldwell doesn't look so bad, does he? That's why Marvin Lewis is still the coach for the Bengals. His owner isn't a fool and knows it could be worse.
brain smasher That’s a horrendous example...Marvin’s been there for 200 years and they’re perennial losers...
@@mikec-t8414 thank u lollllll
So you're idea of someone who ISN'T a fool is an owner that says, "Well, Lewis has been here forever and we haven't won a playoff game yet and we have been nothing but losers.... but it could be worse! I'll happily be one of the most irrelevant NFL franchises as long as we are THE worst!!"?
Bob Quinn wanted to fire Caldwell when he got here and Martha Ford told him he had to give Caldwell one more year
Dude, isn't there a point where you have to admit that a coach isn't championship caliber? Lewis is in his 16th season as the Bengals head coach, and his team has never appeared in a divisional round playoff game. His 7 playoff losses include 4 home losses and 5 double-digit losses. One of the two games that was close was one of the most dreadful choke jobs you will ever witness, the 2015 loss to the Steelers.
To put it in perspective, after Lewis, the head coach with the most playoffs losses with a single team without a win is Jim Mora, who was 0-4 with the Saints and coached 10 full seasons with them before he resigned. (Yes, he actually swallowed his pride and did what Lewis should've done a while back.)
The Bengals are 100% averse to playoff success, and they will remain that way as long as Lewis is the head coach. The Bengals are stuck in NFL limbo. When they are good, they are the best of the worst teams and the worst of the best teams. Hiring a new coach every two years is not the key to success, but neither is keeping a coach for 16 years who demonstrated a long time ago he can't get it done.
Some folks think its a race issue. Lets see, Jim Schwartz got 5 years to clean up the Rod Marinelli mess. Discount the 2009 2-14 trash fire after Marinelli's 2008 0-16 season. Schwartz went 27-37 with one playoff appearance and 1 winning season in the remaining 4 years. Jim Caldwell went 36-28 in 4 seasons, with 2 playoff appearances, and was one win away from beating out Atlanta for the last playoff spot in 2017. He had three winning seasons out of his four years, and the first time the Lions recorded consecutive winning seasons in 22 years!
So why fire Caldwell? And hire the unproven white coach whose only claim to fame is that he works for someone smarter than him? And has a pencil over his ear? Management didn't see enough to continue building on Caldwell's efforts? Caldwell won more games than the last three Lion coaches COMBINED (Marinelli (12) , Mariucci (15) and Mornhinweg (5) , and more games than Bobby Ross (27). In fact, Jim Caldwell won more games than any coach not named Wayne Fontes in the previous 28 years!!! And management still needed "to move in another direction?"
So why fire Caldwell, and hire the unproven white coach? What was Patricia brining to the table? He wasn't Sean McVay or Andy Reid , or even Mike Zimmer! He didn't have a "Doomsday Defense", or a "Steel Curtain", or any innovative defensive scheme. He was an D-line coach from a winning team with no HC experience. I know what you're thinking. "A NFL team wouldn't get rid of a winning black coach just to claim success with a white one!" Well, 1) google Dungy, Tony; and 2) its the mother f@@ Detroit Lions.
I rest my case.
Caldwell had to go. Same issues over and over and over again for 4 years, the mistake was our Gm and Patricia were straight clowns. Firing Caldwell was the right move the team wasn’t going anywhere significant with him. never beat good teams, always fall behind then make 2nd half comebacks (vs bad/average teams only).
Stop with the race BS, Caldwell was solid but very flawed, the mistake was hiring the embarrassment that was Patricia.
The only time we get coverage is bad coverage SMH
Thinking the exact same thing
Hassan Haulcy well win.
Wasn’t Mike Ditka an just an assistant before winning a Super Bowl in Chicago?
Buddy Ryan won that super bowl
@@cashnastyforhead1349 yeah there were no players involved at all.......its the Jimmy's and Joe's not the X's and O's
Ditka got PROMOTED within the organization. Halas hired him. He also played for the organization so it’s a little different
25 years ago
@@edupbeat Ditka came from Dallas as an assistant to Chicago to become head coach.
On a side note...Jason Garrett is the new Jeff Fisher😂😂
Skip is the world and Matt Patricia is lebron James
Lmao you mean the world is skip right
Great stuff. Love the back and forth.
haha just noticed this was from 2 years ago, everyone in Detroit wants Caldwell back now
The Lions should listen to Skip 2 years ago
Just because you have an aeronautical engineering degree from RPI doesn't mean you can coach a football team well. Who cares if you're a rocket scientist; we're not building rockets, we're coaching football. The rocket scientist thing is getting pretty annoying.
Wait why are we giving him the benefit of the doubt when they lost the 11 last straight games, and before that 1 win they last 3 straight! Bro I normally agree with you but as a Detroit resident being told 9-7 isn't good enough?! now my team over 3 years has won 9 total games...he needs to go asap!
Well this video did come out 2 years when he just got started, obviously skip got it right on this one
I’m a lions fan and I never wanted this guy here
bruce wolterink same!
STOP IT! U NO U DROOLED LIKE A BABY WEN HE BECAME UR HC!
defensive coach of the 30th ranked defense
amazing qualifications
Teams just assume they can get the next great head coach from Bill Belicheck's school of puppets. I could say the same for teams who have plucked assistant coaches from the Carolina Panthers. Steve Wilks in AZ and McDermott in Buffalo. If I had to hire a head coach from another team, I'd probably take one from Andy Reid coaching tree.
Agreed
give me Andy Reids diciples anyday over Belichecks
Fax
That wold be a good choice in this offensive era of football...
The Andy Reid tree is really the paul brown, bill Walsh, mike Holmgren, coaching tree !!! All hall of fame coaches except for one who is probably soon to be!! Who is in the hall except for bellacheck? Can't think of any !!!
What did Matt Patricia sell the Detriot Lions? His defense in New England was atrocious but yet he has a head coaching job in the NFL. Plus Bill Beliechick coaching three is not impressive to say the least. There are more qualified coaches out there that the Lions could have taken over Patricia.
Don Savage it’s not super impressive, but he has had Nick Saban, Eric Mangini, Jim Schwartz and Bill Obrian as assistants
Yeah like Caldwell
Bob Quinn came from NE that's why he got the job. Quinn has sabotaged a roster that had talent but needed to fix a few positions. Now with his personnel decisions by drafting and FA decisions the roster is so talent deprived among the front 7 and at WR
pretty sure it was just a popularity thing, he wore that shirt had his 15 minutes and detroit just cashing in on it
Coaching tree is the most important thing to consider when picking a head coach. That's why if I'm looking for a new HC, I want someone from the Chiefs because Andy Reid has the GOAT coaching tree.
True. Andy has a ton of good names in his tree. Bill is a great coach, but his assistents aren't good coaches
@@otaviofrnazario they are yes man.
Shannon "hold on why u following me on insta why u following me on ig stay off my page"😂
Matt Patricia is being paid in 3 buckets of KFC and a case of Ramen noodles. Honestly, how do you hire a guy named Patricia?
😂
What doez his name have to do with it? Remember Lovie Smith?
But the last coach was named Caldwell 😅
who's here in 2020 wanting a change in coach!
Like really. 10 - 25 over 9-7
Us Detroit fans pride our basketball and football well....
Just Basketball now
Ian Clark neither now
@@justifiedcrusader6868 Cade: I can fix that.
I love when Shannon subltly replies whenever Skip is on a rant.. 'You right'...'Correct'...'You right'.. 'mmmhmm'
MATTY PATTY WAS HIRED BECAUSE OF HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS PENCIL!
Patricia unable to stop a backup quarterback in the superbowl is all I needed to see!
Lions should let Sean Lee coach the team
Hahahahahaha... Sean Lee had the best rap album ever!!! Right Kanye???
LET AB COACH THE TEAM! 👻👻👻
" I blocked you".. 😂 I heard that
Jim Bob Cooter is the biggest problem.His playcalling is so bad and predictable.
Play calling is worse than his name and that is saying a lot.
I agree
They will never mention him on TV because they can’t keep a straight face while saying his name
Cootah. Pow! Right in the cootah!
it wasnt last season
1) There have been plenty assistant coaches who became great head coaches
2) Bill O Brien coached Penn State before becoming the Houston. He also had the pressure of bringing them back and having a winning culture after the NCAA sanctions and was the schools first head coach post Joe Paterno...
He's just isn't able to coach in the modern era. Maybe in the 80s he would be a 9-7 coach but not when offensive minded coaches like mcvay and Pedersen are around
Cmon no mention of shanahan shanahan can run circles around those 2 but it dont help when players dont execute for him
2 years later Detroit still dealing with him thanks alot patricia wish he would just step down
Mat Patricia is trying to be like Belichick but Bill had Tom Brady. Now that Brady is gone Bill Belichick will never win another superbowl ever again. Brady will get another superbowl.
Brady wont win another superbowl. He should've just retired.
@@jabaricrewsellis8740 Well that aged well
@@jabaricrewsellis8740 internet losers and dumb takes name a better duo
Skip made great points in this conversation 3:57 Just excellent and new perspective
Players are frustrated that they have to work more and with rule changes. Apparently, they are satisfied with the rules that made them losers. They are satisfied with wild card appearances. As long as they get their paychecks.
True. They have to change the culture in the locker room. People don't like change but if they start winning they will be in for the winning culture.
If the change leads to blowouts, it take longer for it to grow on players
U can tell who's there just to get paid...
@J Day sad but this is bout more that money
@J Day Yeah but I enjoy being good at what I do. I take pride in being one of the best.
Matt Patricia reminds me of the fictional character of Bruno in the movie Popeye. lol 😝
Truth be told, the Pats D wasn’t THAT good under his helm..
Wat do you mean? Lmao that D that wasn’t that good carried tb12 to his first 3 Super Bowls and carried drew Bledsoe to a super bowl trip
Chris cox patricia was NOT the DC when the patriots won their first three Super Bowls. Wtf are you talking about? He was like a line backer coach or something back then.
@@chriscox218 Romeo crenell was the DC during the first 3 super bowl wins.
Matty P and Bob Quinn are building something big in Detroit.
This aged like rotten eggs.
Matt will be one n done. Ain't no way I would've hired him. Especially coming from Belichick! They should've kept Caldwell.
the game started off good for him but it ended bad it's just one game on to the next one Matt still cheering for you homie best of luck with your coaching career
Judging him off 1blowwwww out game against the Jets 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Meanwhile Cowboys & Bengals head coach get paid to lose for yearssssss....
This is in reference to the Slay incident
As a Pats fan I'm so glad he's gone
First time in long time I agree what Skip says
Wow caldwell the most underrated coach he wins and never has a long term team too stick with colts lions etc
This segment has earned a fan of the show.
I will tune in to see if these 2 guys are consistently this good. 👍
Average joe in his 40s
Patricia in Detroit is just a bad fit
Naw, the players are crying before he gets started... It won't work now cuz u have to have belief in the system by those same weak players.
@@jessea5044 Exactly. This team might as well be cheerleaders for GB.
Like the KISS reference in the topic title."Detroit Rock City"
just 'cuz you work with a genius...don't make YOU a genius
Was bill belicheck qualified for his first head coaching job?
#Facts
Yes the defenses he coordinated as an assistant were better than Patricias defenses. Patricias defenses were always garbage.
Skip made no sense there... #SeeBillParcells
@@jtmr.1645 as a assistant wow that is so dumb
@@tryp_da_ghost sorry meant a defensive coordinator
there's a new article in detroit free press that patricia is late to his own meetings.
unqualified to be a head coach.
this hire set the franchise back 5 years
HES NOT SEAN LEE
Sean Lee... Lol...
I’ve been watching football every week now for only 3 years, I wish I got in to it sooner. Can anyone with expert knowledge of this sport tell me what is likely to happen to Matt Patricia this season?
Keemstar in the thumbnail!!???
taco bell 😂😂😂😂
taco bell W
To change the subject....Shannon you need to cut Baker Mayfield slack. 4 different head coaches with the Browns....1 with the Panthers.
Walsh's and Parcells's coaching trees were so much better than Belichicks
Andy Reid has a solid coaching tree too
And we know why. Those great coaches set up their disciples for success. But look at what we learned with the Josh McDaniel Colts unhiring. Belicheck had to lure McDaniels back with language in the contract stating that Bill will include Josh in the day-to-day preparations and operations from a head coach perspective. When I heard that, I was thinking "shouldn't the head coach be already doing that with his staff?"
The Patriots atmosphere is so guarded, so isolated, dare I say so paranoid, that Bill doesn't want any other person besides him to grasp the full picture. That's not a recipe for success when those guys head out on their own. You can see the pride in Andy Reid when his guys head coach other teams and do well. Not so much Bill Belicheck. In fact Bill is so competitive his lack of generosity in sharing knowledge is probably by design. He doesn't want those guys coming back to beat him. He might have taught everything that they know, but he won't ever teach them everything he knows.
Because Belichick is a product of Tom Brady
@@dcollins8718 Yeah because Tom Brady was the reason the patriots defense has ranked in the top ten every year Bill has been there. let me guess, you also think Tom Brady kicked all those game winning field goals and picked off Wilson in the end zone?
It’s not a mistake. Detroit needs it. They’ll get over it. This is just an eye opener for the team and realization of how good they are. Time for the players to make a decision if they want to keep riding the ship and be warriors or show your true colors and jump off the ship. That simple🤷♂️
Detroit fired the Black successful GM(drafted Suh, Stafford and Slay) and Coach(winning record in Detroit) for unproven Patriots.
Patricia terrible Caldwell terrible not winning big with nither one white black red green don't matter not about race after Losing for decades it's about W L's period
Caldwell has a good head coaching record. 62-50 overall. 26-22 in Indy, including the 2-14 non-Manning season and he was 36-28 in Detroit. I'm sure there are a lot of organizations that would love to have a coach with a record like that.
I don't think it is a racial issue, though. I think the Lions are just a poorly ran organization that routinely shoot themselves in the foot with their incompetence.
Btw Belichick DID NOT call the defense. Patricia did. Now Bill is running the defense with Flores and theres a noticeable difference in the play calling
Stay off my page lol 😂😂
When they’re not talking about teams they have biases for (Lebron, Cowboys, Aaron Rodgers), this show is enjoyable.
Matt Patrica is a bum coach go back to the Pat's
Lol Skip said Patricia is BB son and BB put him under his wing 😂😂 Skip a savage
Gimme a break. Matt Patricia cannot take that organization down any further as this team can only go up. This team has to start drafting a better QB and some field leaders. Only one pro bowler over the last 5 years if my memory serves me. These players have to understand they are seeing constant change due to the lack of wins. Why on earth would it be a problem to mimic a winning formula or atmosphere like New England. It may not work, but damn you have to start somewhere.
skillz4211 they were winning only one losing season in 4 seasons
@@kyj060792 but zero playoff wins. Thats what these shmucks fail to mention. Making the playoffs shouldnt be good enough. I dont care about history. I just want at least one playoff win.
Everbody doesn't have a Tom Brady or a genius like Bill Belichick
@@da_jeezuss8922 zero playoff wins aint as bad as u mAking it sound they were a wild card team both times n only should of lost once
Jay King exactly they were definitely robbed in a few of those playoffs
I am not a huge fan of Patricia and the Pats coaching staff getting head coaching jobs.
But to be fair. The media said the same about Doug Pederson and ended up winning the super bowl.
But I’m not sure why former patriots assistant coaches just don’t work out as head coaches.
But he deserves a chance
Uhh I haven't watched undisputed in a while sooo where is joy
Eli Lennon she’s with Colin now
I miss joy on here.
She's gone man😢 #FuckColin
Skip does have a point. NFL teams would be wise to look harder at certain college coaches who have the head coaching experience rather than flying blind with an assistant in his first head coach gig.
If you cant beat Jets (pummeled) , you gone have BIG problems!
Ikr they Stafford made Jets look like the #1 Defense😂😂😂😂
Well the flaw in your comment is under estimating the jets, but they do have problems
Nyle Winston When any team keeps Sanchez they starting QB for multiple years? Yea, you can safely "underestimate" them!
na' ah mean? He was winning games they got rid of him as soon as he went downhill
He was riding on the back of one of the best defenses to ever take the field. He couldn't even "manage" the game well.
As a packers fan, I'd like to see the Patriots vs lions game on the 23rd
This game was terrible to listen to with the woman as the play by play person.
There was a woman doing the play by play?
Jtmr.16 yea it was awful
Always do the Shannon thing & turn the tv sound down... It's just better... Women on play by play is always terrible to listen to I'm with u on that.
Her and rex ryan i believe terrible duo
Bro she was the play by play in the Broncos week one opener last year no that crow caw when Von Miller sacked Rivers made me cringe 😫😖.
Btw Go Broncos Patriots suck 🤣
As an assistant everyone loved the fact he was scruffy looking, wore his hat backwards and had a pencil sticking out the side.