I was having a similar sounding issue and noticed that when those issues were happening my GPU fans weren't spinning. I believe it came down to MSI Afterburner not functioning quite correctly. Uninstalled it and everything seems to be working fine now (maybe a bad overclock?).
When you have WTF behavior like this, there's a lot of chance it's about hardware defect. I had similar non-sense issues with my GPU, it just died after 2 days ... It was under warranty so vendor instantly replaced it. The best way to diagnose is testing hardware parts one by one, try another GPU from a friend and use your machine for 1 or 2 days, you 'll be sure then. My advice, always buy from well-known vendors where you can easily return products, there's a lot of fake cards on the internet beware ... GL bro
Oh jesus christ Lifting, you've been through alot with it. And don't apologize you silly. It's good to have you back, sad that it stressed you out so much. ♥
Ive been building computers for 20 some years now though I am a software developer not a hardware engineer. Anyhow, as you eventually found out; it was indeed likely a problem with the GPU. I can tell you that the wrong bios thing probably didn't cause the issue; the most likely problem was that the card has a manufacturing flaw. Having just done a quick Google search on this card, there are a few people who found that the 1080 ti SC had the different bios. My guess is that it was an intentional choice or a mistake that effected a batch of cards. Either way, it just wouldn't have a large impact and it wouldn't give you this kind of delayed failure (normally a card will crash out of the gate with the wrong bios). The most frustrating thing about computers is the fact that it's really hard to figure out an exact problem due to the nature of the software and the hardware. Two people with indentical setups can have the same error code and it can be the result of something completely different. You did the right thing looking at both the PSU and the GPU, the other potential problem could have been the ssd given the initial symptoms. As far as your PSU goes, never open that thing to clean it. Power supplies can hold a charge even if you don't have them plugged in and it's very dangerous to open them up. It's better to just spray some condensed air into the vent and shake the dust out. You probably shouldn't sell the other gpu if it comes back fixed. You may want to keep it as a back up just in case something like this happens again. Anyhow, glad you found your solution.
i've got 2 PSU both like 8-9 years old and never failed, it's really hard for the PSU to fail and if it does your PC won't even start. Same for CPU, memory , the PC won't start if they aren't working properly(i've had 2x memory sticks fail), the memory won't show correctly in (pc properties) for example 8gb instead of 16gb if there's a problem If there's cooling problem with your CPU , you can notice in the motherboard temperature (like i would hit max temperature) , placing fans in a proper order in Chase can fix it (going down like 10-15 *C). For the gpu (in case you don't have a igpu) : overheating can cause crashing , if you don't have the power cable inserted it can also crash, if it doesn't perform as good it could be a driver or a gpu problem .. etc You need to do a DDU to clear any remains of Gpu driver , also for older gpus some times older drivers work better. ............. My dad pc would also crash every time something intensive would start, after a few months we decided to move to the pc to another room i noticed that the cable wasn't pugled in fully, since then it has 0 crashes. I suggest people to buy hardware from Amazon cause it's easiest to return, if there's a problem just return it as soon as possible
@@theroofwithoutahome2352 a PSU can short out in strange ways where your computer can still boot but a piece of hardware; typically the GPU, doesn't get enough power. I've seen this happen via bad cables and shorts in the actual box. And when a PSU fails like this it will also throw other symptoms out if you've got a power hungry setup. You may see memory issues, cpu issues and fan problems. Luckily you are right in thinking that PSUs are fairly durable but people buy cheap ones sometimes.
It's also a good idea to buy a PSU that has the capability to deliver about 20% more power than your pc needs under load. I ran into some issues using a 1200W PSU on a system that had an upper limit around 1100W. After weeks of trouble shooting and testing two separate 1200W power supplies(not cheap ones either) with both stock and custom cables that I had built specifically for that system, I put a 1500W PSU in it and it ran almost flawlessly ever since. I really enjoy building pc's and have been doing it for nearly two decades but the only time I don't like working on a PC is when I don't have another one that works.
My first instinct is your harddisk is bugging out. I'd quickly go buy a new ssd, clone your drive to it and go from there. Definitely could be your graphics card as well after watching further, I think it's between those two items in my professional IT opinion and from when I was a professional computer builder/tester back in the day. edit: Ah cool, so it was the graphic card. I know how frustrating it can be. I'd recommend always having a spare card around since this is your livelihood. Or even have 2 rigs lol. I have a gaming rig, and a video editing/encoding rig. Glad you're back though, definitely enjoy all your vids. I've been playing Herald of Agony for the first time and I'm really enjoying it.
Nah, he replaced PSU and it worked for a bit he said, but then it started happening again. You must have not watched the entire video. It wasn't fully resolved until he purchased a new video card.
James Pilet its not sure that fixes it in the long run, have had similar issues with bootup and Discord sometimes lagging up while using the emote window, not found the culprit, but i am suspecting the one cable for power delivery to my 2080 is not enough, as it has a split in the end, and i will need to use 2 cables from the PSU
I used to do diagnostics myself and spend way too much time on it like you. These days when my PC has an obvious issues I usually just take it to a trustworthy PC repair shop and explain my issues. For like 35 Euros they will do a full diagnostics run and tell you what is wrong the next day. They will usually tell you what they would do to fix it but most of the time it is cheaper for me to replace the part myself. As they have all sorts of hardware lying around and lots more experience and diagnostic tools at a good shop, they usually find out what is wrong pretty easily and accurately and save me sooooooooooooo much time it is easily worth the money.
To be honest, despite the terrible timing, I love the challenge! Next time I am not gonna allow myself to spend this much time on it though, haha. €35 does sound pretty damn cheap, nice!
Man you are a hero, i have been with that exact problem since 4 days ago and was about to replace the whole thing as i don't have that much confidence, or patience and time, to figure it out, so thanks for sharing.
There was a period of time where i too was running into the NVLDDMKM error with my MSI 1070ti. It was frustrating because periodically my monitors would lose signal from my computer. What ended up being my problem was an unstable GPU overclock. Try lowering your GPU clock speed and memory speed (probably separately to try and narrow down which is causing the problem for you) hope that this can help you edit: even if you or the person you bought the card from didn't mess with any over-clock settings, it is very common for reference GPU cards to be over-clocked out of the box from the manufacture.
First of all, thank you for sharing this story. At some point in your story I thought that your harddisk or SSD could also be broken. My brother had with his old PC a similiar issue, but that was related to a broken harddisk and a broken motherboard. At the end the constant crashes also broke the Graphic card. It is really odd that the BIOS of the Graphics Card is different as it should be. That is an interesting point, which I will check in future repairs. Don't feel sorry, Murphy's Law really hits you. Anything that can go wrong will go wrong
That's a mighty diagnostic process Lifting. I did something similar a year ago, new PSU, new Mobo, turned out to be the GPU was cactus. Glad to have you back. Alas I can't offer any specific help re your issue however. But of course, Yes I do and will continue to Nerd.
Computer hardware can be so finicky. I've had total nonsense fixed by things that don't make any sense. It sounded like primarily a GPU issue but could have been a mix of things. Life happens, an update is all that's needed, doesn't even have to be this fancy. No apologies necessary.
your story is the scariest tech horror stories so far for me. great job pulling through this mess. only few or even nobody else would have suspect it's GPU bios especially if it's labeled as new. If i had to guess... someone buy your GPU for mining purpose but he/she didn't like the result or whatever reason and then return it to claim warranty. The store later check it's actually fine at glance then proceed to repack and resell it. a wild guess though
Last time I was computer literate in anyway was ~1985... Haven't kept up on building computers since then. Glad to hear you're back on your feet! Had me rolling with the dropped power supply *maybe it's okay* sploooooosh.
Actually loved this, great to see your powers of deduction in figuring out the issue. Obviously if you'd had spare hardware you'd have been able to quickly surmise the issue but that's not always the case.
Failures due to windows updates are almost always software problems. The reason this can happen is because of the "state" of your machine when the update is applied. State on a computer is not predictable and even if an update applies properly, your machine might have some weird state that causes an issue. This is why refreshing windows or reinstalling windows typically fixes those problems. It resets the operating system and also resets the complicated state on your machine.
@@draakisback This was a major issue in the early Win 10 days. Hasn't happened since except the one time i got a random power outage during an update which naturally could cause issues.
OMG. I wish I had seen this video uploaded earlier. I too upgraded my RAM from 8GB to 16GB in preparation for new league and consequently had problems with lag in switching tabs in my browsers and discord servers, as well as frame drops in my games. I pinned it on my BIOS not being updated for over 4 years! Checking the BIOS and whether it could recognize your new RAM would have been the first step (I found the solution through google searching those symptoms.) Sorry to hear something similar happened to you.
Also, don't forget about dust. It can become conductive. I had this where popping the monolith in legion league, my PC would BSOD or restart, and I couldn't figure out why. Then I removed all dust and the problem went away immediately. Weird...
First, I'm sorry to hear about this, my sympathies for your PSU and the computer at large. I don't play PoE anymore because my old system just can't handle it any longer, but I still appreciate you as a youtuber. Second, the used card being refurbished situation seems plausible. I honestly think its simply the GPU dying out, over worked or over stressed based off of all the tests you have done. Reason being the unintended voltage differences wearing on the GPU over time, it wouldn't take a lot before this caught up with the part. Aside from this, I would highly recommend you make sure your storage drive is functioning normally (transfer rates) just to be sure. I hope you get up and running soon, someday I hope I will play again too, but until then I'll check out your videos every now and then. Thank you for your content.
My PC had kind of similar symptoms a few years ago, it turned out to be an audio interface I had used for both recording and communications microphones. It was crashing my computer overnight or anytime I left the PC running unattended, and causing my computer to become extremely slow and stutter real bad during use. My memory would slowly climb up to 100% use, and the only way to clear it, was a hard restart. Unplugging the audio interface did not work. It actually made it impossible to run certain games with the device plugged in. My fix at first was to use the 1/8" line out instead of USB for comms but it wasn't ideal for my recording. Eventually I purchased a USB microphone for comms, and a new audio interface for recording (that works much better in general) and I no longer have these issues. A shame the device is basically a paper weight, as it's discontinued, with no software updates or fixes, but at least the new one cost less than the first audio interface and works much better.
No idea about the technical side, but considering how working on your computer is kind of your job a backup system (can be somewhat older) almost seems mandatory. At some point one has to wonder if 20+ hours of work is worth the money that buying a new system would cost. Especially during time sensitive times like league starts.
Could be your power supply. You can run the tests because they stress only one part of your computer and it does not stress PSU too much. But when running more stressful stuff like games and your GPU you simply run out of power -> computer freezes. Also the discord freeze would support this theory if you are using the ingame layout for discord cos that shit is SUPER heavy. I feel your pain man. Just ordered a new mobo + cpu myself, spent 3 days trying to get my computer working after installing them just to realize the new cpu was dead on arrival... EDIT: Sorry, did not watch till the end before commenting. But now I feel your pain even more because I bought EXACTLY THE SAME PSU as you did to support my new motherboards extra 4pin 12V cable requirement just to realize it was not my old PSUs fault :'( If not the PSU then my second guess would be the GPU. I've actually had one EVGA Black edition melt on my computer too after only 4 days of use so my trust in their products is not highest...
Modern PSU rarely ever break espeacialy 80+ Gold and above. I know some people won't agree to this logic but in order to hit those efficiency curve, a baseline quality components must be met. Johnny guru is pretty obsolete nowadays. I had one experience and it was an off brand PSU. Looking at you Gigabyte.
There is no way it's a power supply issue. You can see he's got a 750 in there which is far more than his system needs, even with a custom cooler. Additionally PSU problems wouldn't cause stutter frame rates and high CPU usage; what you see more often with PSU faults is your videocard or other high draw components periodically stop responding for a second because power is being spread too thin or not received correctly. This is very likely a RAM issue, in particular if he just swapped in new RAM before this started he may have accidently damaged his DIMM slots.
@@Ashtarte3D Ye man. You probably missed my edit because it is hidden under show more but I agree. Not the PSU. I initially thought that a broken PSU might cause staggering in a high power usage points. But I still believe it is the GPU. The ram slots are really hard to break if you know your way around PC.
I guess the more you rely on the machine, the more backup plans you need. At least you have a few extra parts to run diagnostics. I'd suggest a solid/modest second working pc to swap individual parts to find out if problems repeat. Strange that the 1080 was performing well for x amount of time and then bricked out to severe economy. Makes me wonder if a capacitor or some component on the card bowed out. Best of luck.
Oh boy, I don't nerd as hard as you do. There's a whole lot of annoying issues in your list, and the pain of finding them ... you conveyed that very well.
I've had a bizarre thing going on with my GPU and have for a few years; my graphics drivers will crash randomly and I get a black screen that I have to reset to fix. I've even tried running a .bat file that manually resets your graphics drivers (I put in under my start menu so I could access it while the screen was black). Audio keeps playing, games keep running, but a black screen. It's not because it's overheating, not because of an electrical fault. No errors or event monitor events. I've tested ram, my HDD and SDD, re-installed drivers multiple times.
My GPU died day 2 of league, I was running on CPU graphics for a week or two. (Aint reccomending it, just anecdotal evidence for my GPU suggestion) Try leaving PoE running in one instance, such as HO to see if the problem replicates with new zones or just over time. Try playing or leaving PoE open for a while with the GPU unplugged, see if the problem replicates. Also would try unplugged half your ram, seeing if that changes, if not unplugging the other half instead, see if that is the issue. Have you monitored the RAM/CPU and GPU stats while the problem occurs? 90% if its a weird memory leak or fault sector on RAM or HHD respectively they'll show themselves tho
Interesting listen. I'm working in IT so I liked your deduction approach for a non tech savvy guy. Did you ask anyone who is more savvy or in tech forums? After the first 3 minutes it was pretty much clear it's the GPU, they would have figured that out (at least the raw issue, not the specifics). Glad you got it figured out tho. EVGA has great RMA service.
I feel your pain, I decided to upgrade my 1060 to a used 1080Ti, ran a stress test at the seller and everything seems fine. I plug it in and no post. Nothing on the screen. I buy a new PSU, didn't fix it. Bought a new motherboard, didn't work, bought an Intel cpu with matching mb and cooler. Finally got it to post, only to realize that the GPU was defective doing huge artifacts in PoE and crashing in DotA. Got a 2080 super thru my RMA for only a bit of extra money. But like I said, I feel your pain.
Wow, respect for fixing it yourself man. I think alot of people would have given up and just bought a new pc. I hope the new graphics card serves you better ;)
It's also a good idea to buy a PSU that has the capability to deliver about 20% more power than your pc needs under load. I ran into some issues using a 1200W PSU on a system that had an upper limit around 1100W. After weeks of trouble shooting and testing two separate 1200W power supplies(not cheap ones either) with both stock and custom cables that I had built specifically for that system, I put a 1500W PSU in it and it ran almost flawlessly ever since. I really enjoy building pc's and have been doing it for nearly two decades but the only time I don't like working on a PC is when I don't have another one that works.
You mentioned that the more advanced GPU would have been pulling significantly more voltage, and that it's a setting that sits in the GPU-BIOS. It sound right that when it pulled too much voltage, something burned and disconnected. When you said it happens on games (and Discord, which is an anomaly, but as a games-related program it makes sense they use hardware acceleration similar to what is used in games) but not other programs, and not other stress tests, it really points to the GPU. Before buying a new one, i would have asked a friend to have his for a few hours to test that it works.
I was wondering why there was no new content from you. glad you got everything sorted out. While troubleshooting your PC, Did you at any point try to turn off your CPU Overclock? i was helping a friend with a similar issue and i told him to set his CPU clock speeds back to default and it solved the problem.
Was it during Blight League? I noticed my computer cant handle streaming path of exile anymore. I blue screen all of a sudden 30 minutes into gameplay.
I have a computer that has about 3k into it that I couldnt figure out what was happening and after a couple weeks of trying to sort it out I just got a whole new PC so I know the pain.
ctrl+shift+esc - first diagnostic tool, tells you what is used (gpu, cpu, memory) and what software is using that psu - very unlikely wrong bios - who knows, if there are non-cosmetic hardware differences between two evga cards then maybe, but sometimes things don't need a reason to break good luck with your new gpu ... and get some rest :)
First things first. If you have similar issues in future and your system starts lagging, press ctrl+shift+del, look up your cpu/you/SSD load. Then, go to MSI afterburner and check your gpu temperature and load (if your gpu was working in a dusty rig I'm critical temperatures, it may cause damage). Sometimes it's worth adjusting the fans speed. If nothing fishy was found, check your cpu temperature, you may use Aida 64. For this purpose. If you are having doubt in your gpu, download gpuz program, you will find much more details on your gpu their. As for the tests, use furmark (another gpu related program) which allows you to run various stress tests.
It could be the gpu memory just dying. There was a lot of talk about at the launch of rtx cards dying, artifacting, locking the core to a low frequenzy etc. Gamers Nexus has a video about it, worth to check it out.
Unless you bought a used, refurbished or ex-display card, you shouldn't have got a video card that anyone has touched, it is unlikely the manufacturer loaded the wrong bios. You should take it up with the place you purchased your video card from. My i9-9900K puts out a lot of heat and even though the Noctua is a good cooler, unless your case has amazing airflow it tends to radiate a lot of heat back into the case. The heat sinks on it also sit too close to the GPU for my liking, they could be radiating a lot of heat onto parts of the GPU circuit board which doesn't have a thermal monitor, the heat from overclocking could be compounded by additional heat from the CPU and perhaps caused some capacitors on the card to be damaged due to the heat which causes the card and system to malfunction under load. I run a waterblock on both my cpu and gpu now, I think water is just a more efficient mechanism for moving heat around, even under heavy load the water doesn't significantly rise in temperature, you can handle the tubing, and it pushes the heat to the radiator(s) which are on edge of the case, a lot further away from the motherboard and other components. I think if you are going to use a high end cpu and/or GPU and you plan to run it under load for long periods at a time you should consider heat management.
My 5 year old PC also ripd about 2 months ago so i lost a lot of stuff...feelsbatman...since then i had to accept playing only small games on tablet...gonna take a while to save up for another PC...i'm thinking of quitting computers completely and forever. I've been using them way too much for 25 years and even tho i had a lot of fun i think i had mostly headaches, frustration & rage in the end. SMH
I understand where you're coming from, and I'm not saying you're wrong. I think I would've done the same, and think the GPU with a wrong BIOS configuration would've been the issue. When you're trouble shooting an entire system, the OSI model is simply the best way. There's 7 layers (8 if you count the user, aka error 40). 8. The user 7. Application (a program, game etc.) 6. Presentation (formatting of the data to "computer language") 5. Session (maintains connections between computers) 4. Transport (assembly/disassembly of sent(received data) 3. Network (router, switches (only if it's a layer 3 switch), and access points) 2. Data link (Switches, MAC addresses) 1. Physical (Cables, hubs etc) In your case, swapping parts would've been in layer 1 since you "just" needed a different GPU. What the exact reason might be since it was malfunctioning is hard to tell. The BIOS could've been the issue, but I personally don't think it should've been a different that would've made that much impact on your fps. I was thinking while I was watching the video, that it could've been the motherboard as well, since it is old (my personal one as well), so it could've just been worn up. A car don't run forever either. You can repair it, but the parts will still get worn up at some point. Anyway, I'm a dane too. So in case you need help another time, just post it on Discord, and I'll happily volunteer to give some feedback to help you out. I'm glad you're back, even though I don't have time to watch everything you're doing.
I did a rebuild like this (because something stopped working) a few years ago. For me it was the power supply but it took stuff with it. Ended up changing out everything but the case, lol. Sure wasn't an lol moment at the time... computer parts are expensive.
IT student here, with over 15 years of personal troubleshooting experience 1. 90C on CPU is WAY...WAY too high, 90F is pushing so 90C is a big NO. You want to target at most 80F to 85F degrees on a CPU, this can result in the CPU throttling (lowering the speed of the CPU to protect its self). 2. the cable management (where there is non) in such a compacted cased could be restricting airflow. 3. a five year old CPU that is overclocked could be dying. I suspect that the CPU is throttling by overheating CPU is the problem. I would also run task manager in the background to see if the CPU usage is at 100% (this is not usually reflective of CPU overheating, but still good to see if CPU usage while playing/testing). If you think that it is the GPU, you can take the GPU out, and build a baseline for the performance with the graphics on your motherboard, then if it becomes more laggy and then goes back to normal, while you are playing or have discord open, then that shows that it most likely is the CPU throttling. It is not the power supply, it is good to clean it, but never open up a power supply, it is vary dangerous, and they do use glue usually to keep thinks in place for power supplies because it is non conductive so that is normal.
Sometimes ...it's a short. You should never handle hardware if your on carpet or any kind of static potential. Event stuff you can't feel can really do damage to your pc. I use a rubber insulator under my PC. And make sure your properly grounded your power supply. Did you unplug and re-plug everything. Check your power cords as well. :) Just a thought.
Hmm, that is an interesting thought Eric. Now that I think about it I experienced getting shocked as I was replugging some of my cables and I accidentally touched the radiator next to me at the same time. I'll look into a rubber insulator, thanks!
quite a coincidence. my computer died as well in the middle of playing PoE yesterday. Think one of my RAM sticks was borked, when i removed it i could reinstall windows finally.
the first thing i suspected was the GPU. GPUs don't always break completely if something is wrong with them. and they give you the strangest behavior. trust me i feel your pain. GPUs issues drove me mad before.
The fact that you have managed to retain your sanity after such a hellish experience speaks volumes for your commitment. Personally I think I would have thrown the damn machine out the window by the second day. Good work and welcome back !
Have you checked so everything like Ram GPU and such are locked in properly? I had this problem when my CPU fan wasn't properly in place. I got fixed when i took everything out and redo it.
EVGA has provided great support for me in the past. I would not hesitate to reach out to them for a little help. It's the main reason I constantly purchase from Asus, EVGA, Razor, and Logitech. But, it's not a loss replacing the PSU as that one sounds like it was quite in need of it anyway. I'll throw you a sub on Twitch. Good luck, man.
Have ton of +% fire dmg items due to playing dual pistol Fire Strike Commando. I am gonna try this build after completion of AoM for the first time :-)
Considering how much time i spend on my computer, it can be quite frustrating if there are issues. Thankfully my past few builds have been quite reliable and always ran fine until i built my next one.
Hey bro. Long time no hear from you but welcome back! I completely respect your drive and persistence to solve your problem. The same “psychosis” works for me and usually I find the solution. In your case however, I think you were subconsciously in denial of a hardware GPU issue haha. Whatever can be replaced quickly (like NOT the PSU) is the first way to go. So, RAM, GPU and maybe CPU all of which you can borrow from a friend or keep in the “graveyard” at your place. But now it is done, enjoy your upgrades which could have looked redundant before but now they were necessary 😉 💪🏻🤘🏻🤜🏻
I have had the same issues with i7-4790K, MSI Gaming 7 board & 2x 1080 in SLI. Never found out what the issue was but it solved it self after several Windows reinstalls, mobo flashes, gfx card flashes.. nothing worked until it did. I suspect the board being semi malfunctioning as I have only had trouble with MSI products (2x970 cards, mobo, mouse) .. Although at that point I have had everything out of the case and reinstalled EVERYTHING. It is still alive and working now but I don't use that machine anymore as I upgraded everything (now on Ryzen which is another headache).
Just remembered! It was driver issues with the board. Windows 10 builds after 1803 or something like that always malfunctioned while previous Windows 10 builds worked just fine. How I fixed it I cannot remember. It has been some years. And ofc MSI doesn't update anything because it is an way outdated board.
had something like that happening to me a few month back. in my case in was the power supply that basicly grilled my ram . only by removing 3 of my 4 ram sticks i could even get into windows. new power suply and 1 new ram saved me but 3 days of figuring out what the f happened left me halfway insane. gl with your problem
Sigh, I have the same problem as you guess that means that I need a new GPU. Although I have been able to keep using my GPU by down clocking it and putting the power lvl down to 50% power. so that is a work around.
Wow. Great story. I'm a bit surprised trying a video card swap out wasn't higher on your trouble shooting list. It is a reasonably simple operation, a hell of a lot easier than trying a new PSU. And I would have thought someone who makes a living as you do would have a spare, old, or extra card available to do that with. Alas, live and learn I guess. I think it would be pretty impossible for any of us to accurately deduce what the actual problem was, but I'd be willing to put my bet on a failing GPU, even if was only six months old.
it's kinda sound's like a core issue caused by the wrong bios that might have had some settings that forced to much voltage into the core and decayed the core.
Btw: Best conditions to start a new and unusual videoseries for PoE: How to catch up as a later league starter or how to deal with the circumstances of a casual player in PoE?
First mistake is not having spare parts to swap in and out of your PC to check individual parts for issues. I have a slew of older PSU's, HDD's, GPU's, RAM, etc. I would suggest downloading a 2D platformer and seeing if the problem persists. If it does, try removing your GPU and running off of onboard graphics. Because it sounds like your GPU is malfunctioning. Were it your PSU, you would likely get some sort physical indication, i.e, smoke ,sparks and even the damn things explodes - had it happen once.
it was your PSU. I had the problem a while ago and after monitoring the 3.3V, 5V, 12V Lanes it was clear. in my Case the 3.3V Lane was only 3V or less depending on what i did on the computer. My Seasonic with 7 Years Warranty gave up after 7 Year 2 Month :)
Hopefully you have solved it with the new GPU. But if not it may be motherboard/bios related. As soon as you mentioned the problems with your screen it remind of something i had myself some months ago. Disconnect your pc from power and try to pull out the battery from the mobo and let it drain totally for some minutes. Then put it in again and reinstall windows.
It would be good to test with a new PSU. Can you test your Graphics card in another system? Once these are ruled out it would be good to test the SSD. You maybe chasing more than one problem. I wouldn't flash untill the new PSU is installed. Looks like you found the issue in the end, hopefully.
I would try and borrow a gpu from a friend to see if the gpu is the problem. Also its always a good idea in these situations to start removing unnecessary hardware to try and isolate the issue.
Bro I think it was a XMP profile configuration issue. A Windows Update might have switched your XMP profile to default and messed with the voltages, which is why your system stutters under load.
First off I hope you have registered your 1080 TI with EVGA. If you have, call them on there 24/7 Tech support. They have helped me many of times when I have had issues in the past with my EVGA cards and I have always found there assistance helpful; at the very least you can rule out your GPU.
Dude your card is not new. You card propably was give back to shop as fault unit. And they put new bios and "baked" your card in oven (this can make dying card with cold solder joint to give 6 months or more to live) - and sold as new. I know, it's 1080ti, so it's 2yo card. However - it was really popular for crypto currency mining! So I could work 24/7 for months without proper coolers and with dust - and it may cause damagin your GPU. So, first check series number from card sticked to box. If it matchs - register your card on evega. Then go to shop you bought and and ask for full refund. Even if you made reflash with correct bios - you still may have solder joint issue - so that's the reason of lack of preformance and card trying chase it by taking more power. Card never should hit critical power usage when is healthy! Your card is refurbish card, and propably it killed your psu aswell. If I you have option go and borrow some card and run all benchmakrs and games on borrowred card (don't have to be so powerfull as gtx1080ti, just powerfull enough to run poe and other games). If you don't have frame drops - its your "new" card. However your discord issue bothers me, so I would check borrowed GPU on old and new ram. But i don't think it ram fault, usally when ram is damaged or you run out of ram - games don't drop frames like that, you will get 1-5 secound freeze. Ps. If possible give full specifisation on your system - and I you would like to, e-mail me. I can try help you out by e-mails or discord :)
GPU is easy to test, as most modern processors come with a built-in GFX-card. So if it works with that, but not with your "real" GFX-card, then you have your answer. That happened to me, one week before Blight release. In my case though, I had a completely black screen and a GFX-card which smelled like BBQ, which was kind of a strong hint.
Nearly EVERY time I have had a machine that I have built start having random slowdown issues it was caused by a failing hdd or ssd once it was a bad stick of ram. If it a decent PSu its more than likely fine. I would try a new SSD asap before you lose all your data. Coarse that's assuming you already tried a backup gpu to see if the 1080 fried or something...
After installing the latest windows 10 update and the latest nvidia drivers (like 2 weeks ago) when i start my pc my monitor wont open immediately, it will close and open continuously like it cannot get signal from my GPU.After a while , about 3-5 mins , it will open like normal. So i think that this has to do with some of the updates... (I do not experience the other symptoms you describe though)
just to enhance this topic (i'm from germany, so no native english, sorry): Discord nowadays has the option to "go live", in fact to stream. It maybe the root cause. Discord will reserve some of your hardware "ressources" in case you want to stream (fps cap at 85). Maybe you can check, if it is possible to disable the "stream functionality" from discord. Otherwise replace your grafic card. I had a similar issue with one of my former gpu's from nvidia. any time i started a game, i got a black screen and my pc crashed. it was due to my new gpu. i sent it back to the seller and they repaired it. After it came back, it occured again. So it went back again and they again repaired it. That time the gpu finally worked.
I started running into weird graphics hang ups, getting black screens, etc. Figured it was my card shitting out (Sapphire Nitro r9 390) so I bought a new card which was failing to even post. Figured I might not be having hardware but it was driver issues. Did a system reinstall of the OS and reinstalled the drivers manually. This fixed the issue and the new card posted. Your adventures make me feel for you, it's so frustrating. Sounds like you're getting some kind of fucky driver issue. Edit: the no signal problem with the monitor was also a symptom of my issues so you're almost certainly hitting driver problems. see if you can clean everything and reinstall some older versions of drivers. also, I reapplied my cpu thermal paste, which has given me issues before (probably not in your case since you don't get temperature spikes).
Thanks for the advice mate. One thing that fixed my "no monitor signal" when booting was disabling fast start in bios and windows, you might wanna check that out in case you didn't get it solved yet =)
Don't stress out about all this on our account. These things happen with computers, sometimes, I'm sure no one is blaming you or upset with you. If anything, most of us probably just feel bad for you having to deal with all this crazy crap! I do, anyway. I'm glad things are working again, though! :)
i am probably a bit late but here is my 2 cents. Nvidia manufactures only one chip that goes into all the gforce cards, the only difference is that if it has defective parts they cut that part off litteraly at the atomic level ( there are videos about how they do it) and just sell the gpu as a lower serie one as the chip is now less powerfull so it fits for a less powerfull and less expensive card yet they dont have to discard the entire chip since even only half of it can do for a good 1060 for example. with that in mind i dont think the gpu bios was "wrong" expecially cuz it ran for 6 months, it was just installed to give a better preset to the gpu as the example you proposed for overclocking. my best guess would be that as you said shit happens and thats why we have warranties on items such as pc parts, and i think the gpu just broke. but as the rule goes, if nothing happens in the first 3 monts, anything should happen for 3 years. at the beginning of my IT studies i thought that was bs but i can now confirm there is some truth XD only difference is that if nothing happens after 3 years it just last forever, as an old 280 i still have around can confirm lol. my second best guess is that the shitty glue you found fused on cables it didnt look to be supposed to be there actually caused (or was caused) but a short that then fried something in the gpu at least partially. my general advice tho is that if you have spare parts and you are not struggling to the end of the month, keep them instead of making 100$ more. i mean, if you have a card that is worth 500$ ofc sell it, but if you have rather cheap parts that will cost you a day or two to arrange the meeting, drive to a place and have to deal with a cheap dude trying to skim off 20$ on a 1$ purchase just avoid doing so and keep the part that you know works but you may just be replacing for the sole reason of upgrading. that will allow you to build up a good collecion of working parts that will help you figure out what is going wrong in your pc, as in your case an old but still working gpu would have allowed you to just swap it in and see if that was the issue or not, and maybe carrying you through the time it takes to get the new one checked in and returned to you. wish you good luck and let us know =)
This video just set in stone what I had already thought about myself and tech abilities: I have none and now won’t even try to build a pc, I’ll just go and buy one. Best Buy thankyou for the more than generous credit limit, here I come.
Hard drive issues often does heavy load on read error, sounds like u need a new ssd or hdd. Problably because the cluster where discord is installed is fucked.. try a new hard drive. And dont copy paste from ur old hard drive to make sure no errors travels
My computer was also acting out. It was happening when video was playing on wowhead while I was playing wow. It went away when Yi updated windows. Hope you get up and running soon.
In the case it returns, try disabling hardware acceleration in your chrome browser, if you haven't already. A lot of people seem to experience massive stutters with that running, even if it is just in the background =)
Yo i had this problem once. It would happen to me in battlefield 5. It was software related. I fixed it by putting all power states to the maximum and a couple setting in nvidia control panel to give priority to games.
Most common is harddrive/ssd issues but it can be difficult finding what is causing the problem. Some programs I use to monitor that everything is ok: CrystalDiskInfo for harddrive/ssd info. Intuitive and tells you emmidietly if something is corrupt or broken. Found out my old harddrive was broken this way after experiencing ever decreasing performance. Bought a new one and everything was fine again. HWMonitor or HWInfo gives you alot of info about basically everything, temps, fan speed, memory, voltages etc. RealTemp shows gpu and cpu temperatures, can have it always visible in taskbar.
I actually used all of those applications mate. I probably went through 25 different software installations to check if one them could detect something the others couldn't, haha =)
I have noticed Discord sometimes bugging a bit and trying to run several processes (in the process manager) at once instead of just one. Might be one issue on top of some others.
Should have brought it to a PC store. The first thing we do is replace each hardware piece and test the performance. Would have discovered it was your video card much sooner and definitively. But there is value in the learning experience and trying it for yourself. As for the fault in the video card, it's hard to say but having a different bios is a bit weird and suspect. You should write down some of the numbers on the card and chips and punch it in to google. May give you more info to verify the authenticity of the card.
@LiftingNerdBro if you RMAd directly to EVGA and not the retailer then no, they wont repair it but will send you a brand new one cause its a hassle to them to do the testings and u might be even a bit more lucky and get upgraded to a 2080 or even a 2080ti with no upcost at all. thats how EVGA handles these thing its the only aib partner company that does it that way! fingers crossed that u get a upgrade
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What do you think guys? GPU, PSU, RAM or a mix of it all - and was I actually sold a used "new" card?
Blight league bad optimized performance.
You went too hard on yourself man /;
I was having a similar sounding issue and noticed that when those issues were happening my GPU fans weren't spinning. I believe it came down to MSI Afterburner not functioning quite correctly. Uninstalled it and everything seems to be working fine now (maybe a bad overclock?).
When you have WTF behavior like this, there's a lot of chance it's about hardware defect. I had similar non-sense issues with my GPU, it just died after 2 days ... It was under warranty so vendor instantly replaced it. The best way to diagnose is testing hardware parts one by one, try another GPU from a friend and use your machine for 1 or 2 days, you 'll be sure then. My advice, always buy from well-known vendors where you can easily return products, there's a lot of fake cards on the internet beware ... GL bro
Was going to say do a memtest (at that part in the video now). Do a clean video driver install with DDU.
Oh jesus christ Lifting, you've been through alot with it. And don't apologize you silly.
It's good to have you back, sad that it stressed you out so much. ♥
Ive been building computers for 20 some years now though I am a software developer not a hardware engineer. Anyhow, as you eventually found out; it was indeed likely a problem with the GPU. I can tell you that the wrong bios thing probably didn't cause the issue; the most likely problem was that the card has a manufacturing flaw. Having just done a quick Google search on this card, there are a few people who found that the 1080 ti SC had the different bios. My guess is that it was an intentional choice or a mistake that effected a batch of cards. Either way, it just wouldn't have a large impact and it wouldn't give you this kind of delayed failure (normally a card will crash out of the gate with the wrong bios).
The most frustrating thing about computers is the fact that it's really hard to figure out an exact problem due to the nature of the software and the hardware. Two people with indentical setups can have the same error code and it can be the result of something completely different. You did the right thing looking at both the PSU and the GPU, the other potential problem could have been the ssd given the initial symptoms. As far as your PSU goes, never open that thing to clean it. Power supplies can hold a charge even if you don't have them plugged in and it's very dangerous to open them up. It's better to just spray some condensed air into the vent and shake the dust out.
You probably shouldn't sell the other gpu if it comes back fixed. You may want to keep it as a back up just in case something like this happens again. Anyhow, glad you found your solution.
i've got 2 PSU both like 8-9 years old and never failed, it's really hard for the PSU to fail and if it does your PC won't even start.
Same for CPU, memory , the PC won't start if they aren't working properly(i've had 2x memory sticks fail), the memory won't show correctly in (pc properties) for example 8gb instead of 16gb if there's a problem
If there's cooling problem with your CPU , you can notice in the motherboard temperature (like i would hit max temperature) , placing fans in a proper order in Chase can fix it (going down like 10-15 *C).
For the gpu (in case you don't have a igpu) : overheating can cause crashing , if you don't have the power cable inserted it can also crash, if it doesn't perform as good it could be a driver or a gpu problem .. etc
You need to do a DDU to clear any remains of Gpu driver , also for older gpus some times older drivers work better.
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My dad pc would also crash every time something intensive would start, after a few months we decided to move to the pc to another room i noticed that the cable wasn't pugled in fully, since then it has 0 crashes.
I suggest people to buy hardware from Amazon cause it's easiest to return, if there's a problem just return it as soon as possible
@@theroofwithoutahome2352 a PSU can short out in strange ways where your computer can still boot but a piece of hardware; typically the GPU, doesn't get enough power. I've seen this happen via bad cables and shorts in the actual box. And when a PSU fails like this it will also throw other symptoms out if you've got a power hungry setup. You may see memory issues, cpu issues and fan problems. Luckily you are right in thinking that PSUs are fairly durable but people buy cheap ones sometimes.
It's also a good idea to buy a PSU that has the capability to deliver about 20% more power than your pc needs under load. I ran into some issues using a 1200W PSU on a system that had an upper limit around 1100W. After weeks of trouble shooting and testing two separate 1200W power supplies(not cheap ones either) with both stock and custom cables that I had built specifically for that system, I put a 1500W PSU in it and it ran almost flawlessly ever since.
I really enjoy building pc's and have been doing it for nearly two decades but the only time I don't like working on a PC is when I don't have another one that works.
Sorry to hear about the troubles and glad to have you back. Can't wait to try some new builds!
My first instinct is your harddisk is bugging out. I'd quickly go buy a new ssd, clone your drive to it and go from there. Definitely could be your graphics card as well after watching further, I think it's between those two items in my professional IT opinion and from when I was a professional computer builder/tester back in the day.
edit: Ah cool, so it was the graphic card. I know how frustrating it can be. I'd recommend always having a spare card around since this is your livelihood. Or even have 2 rigs lol. I have a gaming rig, and a video editing/encoding rig.
Glad you're back though, definitely enjoy all your vids. I've been playing Herald of Agony for the first time and I'm really enjoying it.
it was PSU...
Nah, he replaced PSU and it worked for a bit he said, but then it started happening again. You must have not watched the entire video. It wasn't fully resolved until he purchased a new video card.
James Pilet its not sure that fixes it in the long run, have had similar issues with bootup and Discord sometimes lagging up while using the emote window, not found the culprit, but i am suspecting the one cable for power delivery to my 2080 is not enough, as it has a split in the end, and i will need to use 2 cables from the PSU
I used to do diagnostics myself and spend way too much time on it like you. These days when my PC has an obvious issues I usually just take it to a trustworthy PC repair shop and explain my issues. For like 35 Euros they will do a full diagnostics run and tell you what is wrong the next day. They will usually tell you what they would do to fix it but most of the time it is cheaper for me to replace the part myself.
As they have all sorts of hardware lying around and lots more experience and diagnostic tools at a good shop, they usually find out what is wrong pretty easily and accurately and save me sooooooooooooo much time it is easily worth the money.
To be honest, despite the terrible timing, I love the challenge! Next time I am not gonna allow myself to spend this much time on it though, haha. €35 does sound pretty damn cheap, nice!
Man you are a hero, i have been with that exact problem since 4 days ago and was about to replace the whole thing as i don't have that much confidence, or patience and time, to figure it out, so thanks for sharing.
There was a period of time where i too was running into the NVLDDMKM error with my MSI 1070ti. It was frustrating because periodically my monitors would lose signal from my computer. What ended up being my problem was an unstable GPU overclock. Try lowering your GPU clock speed and memory speed (probably separately to try and narrow down which is causing the problem for you) hope that this can help you
edit: even if you or the person you bought the card from didn't mess with any over-clock settings, it is very common for reference GPU cards to be over-clocked out of the box from the manufacture.
First of all, thank you for sharing this story. At some point in your story I thought that your harddisk or SSD could also be broken. My brother had with his old PC a similiar issue, but that was related to a broken harddisk and a broken motherboard. At the end the constant crashes also broke the Graphic card.
It is really odd that the BIOS of the Graphics Card is different as it should be. That is an interesting point, which I will check in future repairs.
Don't feel sorry, Murphy's Law really hits you. Anything that can go wrong will go wrong
That's a mighty diagnostic process Lifting. I did something similar a year ago, new PSU, new Mobo, turned out to be the GPU was cactus. Glad to have you back. Alas I can't offer any specific help re your issue however. But of course, Yes I do and will continue to Nerd.
Some notes of input, make sure you go to your BIOS (Bi-ohs, not Bi-uhs btw
Computer hardware can be so finicky. I've had total nonsense fixed by things that don't make any sense. It sounded like primarily a GPU issue but could have been a mix of things.
Life happens, an update is all that's needed, doesn't even have to be this fancy. No apologies necessary.
I can feel the frustration from your words...You might have been bamboozled by the retailer with that GPU. Glad you are back tho!
your story is the scariest tech horror stories so far for me. great job pulling through this mess.
only few or even nobody else would have suspect it's GPU bios especially if it's labeled as new.
If i had to guess... someone buy your GPU for mining purpose but he/she didn't like the result or whatever reason and then return it to claim warranty.
The store later check it's actually fine at glance then proceed to repack and resell it. a wild guess though
Last time I was computer literate in anyway was ~1985... Haven't kept up on building computers since then. Glad to hear you're back on your feet! Had me rolling with the dropped power supply *maybe it's okay* sploooooosh.
Actually loved this, great to see your powers of deduction in figuring out the issue. Obviously if you'd had spare hardware you'd have been able to quickly surmise the issue but that's not always the case.
Computer dying is like my biggest nightmare. I have Windows Update PTSD after it nearly bricked me 3 times in early Windows 10.
Failures due to windows updates are almost always software problems. The reason this can happen is because of the "state" of your machine when the update is applied. State on a computer is not predictable and even if an update applies properly, your machine might have some weird state that causes an issue. This is why refreshing windows or reinstalling windows typically fixes those problems. It resets the operating system and also resets the complicated state on your machine.
@@draakisback This was a major issue in the early Win 10 days. Hasn't happened since except the one time i got a random power outage during an update which naturally could cause issues.
@@draakisback Windows is software, so problems with windwos updates are not "almost always" but "always" software problems.
OMG. I wish I had seen this video uploaded earlier. I too upgraded my RAM from 8GB to 16GB in preparation for new league and consequently had problems with lag in switching tabs in my browsers and discord servers, as well as frame drops in my games. I pinned it on my BIOS not being updated for over 4 years! Checking the BIOS and whether it could recognize your new RAM would have been the first step (I found the solution through google searching those symptoms.) Sorry to hear something similar happened to you.
It’s a new feature of Blight league, it breaks your pc after wasting 5 blighted maps in a row, never heard of it?
Максим Зайцев yeah you gotta drop 90 exlated orbs to fix it
Also, don't forget about dust. It can become conductive. I had this where popping the monolith in legion league, my PC would BSOD or restart, and I couldn't figure out why. Then I removed all dust and the problem went away immediately. Weird...
First, I'm sorry to hear about this, my sympathies for your PSU and the computer at large. I don't play PoE anymore because my old system just can't handle it any longer, but I still appreciate you as a youtuber. Second, the used card being refurbished situation seems plausible. I honestly think its simply the GPU dying out, over worked or over stressed based off of all the tests you have done.
Reason being the unintended voltage differences wearing on the GPU over time, it wouldn't take a lot before this caught up with the part. Aside from this, I would highly recommend you make sure your storage drive is functioning normally (transfer rates) just to be sure. I hope you get up and running soon, someday I hope I will play again too, but until then I'll check out your videos every now and then. Thank you for your content.
My PC had kind of similar symptoms a few years ago, it turned out to be an audio interface I had used for both recording and communications microphones. It was crashing my computer overnight or anytime I left the PC running unattended, and causing my computer to become extremely slow and stutter real bad during use. My memory would slowly climb up to 100% use, and the only way to clear it, was a hard restart. Unplugging the audio interface did not work. It actually made it impossible to run certain games with the device plugged in. My fix at first was to use the 1/8" line out instead of USB for comms but it wasn't ideal for my recording. Eventually I purchased a USB microphone for comms, and a new audio interface for recording (that works much better in general) and I no longer have these issues.
A shame the device is basically a paper weight, as it's discontinued, with no software updates or fixes, but at least the new one cost less than the first audio interface and works much better.
No idea about the technical side, but considering how working on your computer is kind of your job a backup system (can be somewhat older) almost seems mandatory. At some point one has to wonder if 20+ hours of work is worth the money that buying a new system would cost. Especially during time sensitive times like league starts.
Could be your power supply. You can run the tests because they stress only one part of your computer and it does not stress PSU too much. But when running more stressful stuff like games and your GPU you simply run out of power -> computer freezes. Also the discord freeze would support this theory if you are using the ingame layout for discord cos that shit is SUPER heavy.
I feel your pain man. Just ordered a new mobo + cpu myself, spent 3 days trying to get my computer working after installing them just to realize the new cpu was dead on arrival...
EDIT: Sorry, did not watch till the end before commenting. But now I feel your pain even more because I bought EXACTLY THE SAME PSU as you did to support my new motherboards extra 4pin 12V cable requirement just to realize it was not my old PSUs fault :'(
If not the PSU then my second guess would be the GPU. I've actually had one EVGA Black edition melt on my computer too after only 4 days of use so my trust in their products is not highest...
Modern PSU rarely ever break espeacialy 80+ Gold and above. I know some people won't agree to this logic but in order to hit those efficiency curve, a baseline quality components must be met. Johnny guru is pretty obsolete nowadays.
I had one experience and it was an off brand PSU. Looking at you Gigabyte.
There is no way it's a power supply issue. You can see he's got a 750 in there which is far more than his system needs, even with a custom cooler. Additionally PSU problems wouldn't cause stutter frame rates and high CPU usage; what you see more often with PSU faults is your videocard or other high draw components periodically stop responding for a second because power is being spread too thin or not received correctly. This is very likely a RAM issue, in particular if he just swapped in new RAM before this started he may have accidently damaged his DIMM slots.
@@Ashtarte3D Ye man. You probably missed my edit because it is hidden under show more but I agree. Not the PSU. I initially thought that a broken PSU might cause staggering in a high power usage points. But I still believe it is the GPU. The ram slots are really hard to break if you know your way around PC.
I guess the more you rely on the machine, the more backup plans you need. At least you have a few extra parts to run diagnostics. I'd suggest a solid/modest second working pc to swap individual parts to find out if problems repeat. Strange that the 1080 was performing well for x amount of time and then bricked out to severe economy. Makes me wonder if a capacitor or some component on the card bowed out. Best of luck.
Oh boy, I don't nerd as hard as you do. There's a whole lot of annoying issues in your list, and the pain of finding them ... you conveyed that very well.
I've had a bizarre thing going on with my GPU and have for a few years; my graphics drivers will crash randomly and I get a black screen that I have to reset to fix. I've even tried running a .bat file that manually resets your graphics drivers (I put in under my start menu so I could access it while the screen was black). Audio keeps playing, games keep running, but a black screen. It's not because it's overheating, not because of an electrical fault. No errors or event monitor events. I've tested ram, my HDD and SDD, re-installed drivers multiple times.
My GPU died day 2 of league, I was running on CPU graphics for a week or two. (Aint reccomending it, just anecdotal evidence for my GPU suggestion)
Try leaving PoE running in one instance, such as HO to see if the problem replicates with new zones or just over time.
Try playing or leaving PoE open for a while with the GPU unplugged, see if the problem replicates.
Also would try unplugged half your ram, seeing if that changes, if not unplugging the other half instead, see if that is the issue.
Have you monitored the RAM/CPU and GPU stats while the problem occurs? 90% if its a weird memory leak or fault sector on RAM or HHD respectively they'll show themselves tho
Interesting listen. I'm working in IT so I liked your deduction approach for a non tech savvy guy. Did you ask anyone who is more savvy or in tech forums? After the first 3 minutes it was pretty much clear it's the GPU, they would have figured that out (at least the raw issue, not the specifics).
Glad you got it figured out tho.
EVGA has great RMA service.
I feel your pain, I decided to upgrade my 1060 to a used 1080Ti, ran a stress test at the seller and everything seems fine. I plug it in and no post. Nothing on the screen. I buy a new PSU, didn't fix it. Bought a new motherboard, didn't work, bought an Intel cpu with matching mb and cooler. Finally got it to post, only to realize that the GPU was defective doing huge artifacts in PoE and crashing in DotA. Got a 2080 super thru my RMA for only a bit of extra money. But like I said, I feel your pain.
Wow, respect for fixing it yourself man. I think alot of people would have given up and just bought a new pc. I hope the new graphics card serves you better ;)
It's also a good idea to buy a PSU that has the capability to deliver about 20% more power than your pc needs under load. I ran into some issues using a 1200W PSU on a system that had an upper limit around 1100W. After weeks of trouble shooting and testing two separate 1200W power supplies(not cheap ones either) with both stock and custom cables that I had built specifically for that system, I put a 1500W PSU in it and it ran almost flawlessly ever since.
I really enjoy building pc's and have been doing it for nearly two decades but the only time I don't like working on a PC is when I don't have another one that works.
You mentioned that the more advanced GPU would have been pulling significantly more voltage, and that it's a setting that sits in the GPU-BIOS.
It sound right that when it pulled too much voltage, something burned and disconnected. When you said it happens on games (and Discord, which is an anomaly, but as a games-related program it makes sense they use hardware acceleration similar to what is used in games) but not other programs, and not other stress tests, it really points to the GPU.
Before buying a new one, i would have asked a friend to have his for a few hours to test that it works.
I was wondering why there was no new content from you. glad you got everything sorted out.
While troubleshooting your PC, Did you at any point try to turn off your CPU Overclock? i was helping a friend with a similar issue and i told him to set his CPU clock speeds back to default and it solved the problem.
Was it during Blight League? I noticed my computer cant handle streaming path of exile anymore. I blue screen all of a sudden 30 minutes into gameplay.
My girlfriend had exactly the same issue with her computer.
Her SSHD was faulty.
I have a computer that has about 3k into it that I couldnt figure out what was happening and after a couple weeks of trying to sort it out I just got a whole new PC so I know the pain.
ctrl+shift+esc - first diagnostic tool, tells you what is used (gpu, cpu, memory) and what software is using that
psu - very unlikely
wrong bios - who knows, if there are non-cosmetic hardware differences between two evga cards then maybe, but sometimes things don't need a reason to break
good luck with your new gpu
... and get some rest :)
Love Noctua CPU coolers. They make great products
18:10 ok guys he's still his usual self even on a sleep deficit. LOL
First things first. If you have similar issues in future and your system starts lagging, press ctrl+shift+del, look up your cpu/you/SSD load. Then, go to MSI afterburner and check your gpu temperature and load (if your gpu was working in a dusty rig I'm critical temperatures, it may cause damage). Sometimes it's worth adjusting the fans speed. If nothing fishy was found, check your cpu temperature, you may use Aida 64. For this purpose.
If you are having doubt in your gpu, download gpuz program, you will find much more details on your gpu their. As for the tests, use furmark (another gpu related program) which allows you to run various stress tests.
It could be the gpu memory just dying. There was a lot of talk about at the launch of rtx cards dying, artifacting, locking the core to a low frequenzy etc. Gamers Nexus has a video about it, worth to check it out.
No need to apologize man. We are sorry this happened
Unless you bought a used, refurbished or ex-display card, you shouldn't have got a video card that anyone has touched, it is unlikely the manufacturer loaded the wrong bios. You should take it up with the place you purchased your video card from.
My i9-9900K puts out a lot of heat and even though the Noctua is a good cooler, unless your case has amazing airflow it tends to radiate a lot of heat back into the case. The heat sinks on it also sit too close to the GPU for my liking, they could be radiating a lot of heat onto parts of the GPU circuit board which doesn't have a thermal monitor, the heat from overclocking could be compounded by additional heat from the CPU and perhaps caused some capacitors on the card to be damaged due to the heat which causes the card and system to malfunction under load.
I run a waterblock on both my cpu and gpu now, I think water is just a more efficient mechanism for moving heat around, even under heavy load the water doesn't significantly rise in temperature, you can handle the tubing, and it pushes the heat to the radiator(s) which are on edge of the case, a lot further away from the motherboard and other components.
I think if you are going to use a high end cpu and/or GPU and you plan to run it under load for long periods at a time you should consider heat management.
My 5 year old PC also ripd about 2 months ago so i lost a lot of stuff...feelsbatman...since then i had to accept playing only small games on tablet...gonna take a while to save up for another PC...i'm thinking of quitting computers completely and forever. I've been using them way too much for 25 years and even tho i had a lot of fun i think i had mostly headaches, frustration & rage in the end. SMH
I understand where you're coming from, and I'm not saying you're wrong. I think I would've done the same, and think the GPU with a wrong BIOS configuration would've been the issue.
When you're trouble shooting an entire system, the OSI model is simply the best way. There's 7 layers (8 if you count the user, aka error 40).
8. The user
7. Application (a program, game etc.)
6. Presentation (formatting of the data to "computer language")
5. Session (maintains connections between computers)
4. Transport (assembly/disassembly of sent(received data)
3. Network (router, switches (only if it's a layer 3 switch), and access points)
2. Data link (Switches, MAC addresses)
1. Physical (Cables, hubs etc)
In your case, swapping parts would've been in layer 1 since you "just" needed a different GPU. What the exact reason might be since it was malfunctioning is hard to tell. The BIOS could've been the issue, but I personally don't think it should've been a different that would've made that much impact on your fps.
I was thinking while I was watching the video, that it could've been the motherboard as well, since it is old (my personal one as well), so it could've just been worn up. A car don't run forever either. You can repair it, but the parts will still get worn up at some point.
Anyway, I'm a dane too. So in case you need help another time, just post it on Discord, and I'll happily volunteer to give some feedback to help you out.
I'm glad you're back, even though I don't have time to watch everything you're doing.
I did a rebuild like this (because something stopped working) a few years ago. For me it was the power supply but it took stuff with it. Ended up changing out everything but the case, lol. Sure wasn't an lol moment at the time... computer parts are expensive.
IT student here, with over 15 years of personal troubleshooting experience 1. 90C on CPU is WAY...WAY too high, 90F is pushing so 90C is a big NO. You want to target at most 80F to 85F degrees on a CPU, this can result in the CPU throttling (lowering the speed of the CPU to protect its self). 2. the cable management (where there is non) in such a compacted cased could be restricting airflow. 3. a five year old CPU that is overclocked could be dying. I suspect that the CPU is throttling by overheating CPU is the problem. I would also run task manager in the background to see if the CPU usage is at 100% (this is not usually reflective of CPU overheating, but still good to see if CPU usage while playing/testing). If you think that it is the GPU, you can take the GPU out, and build a baseline for the performance with the graphics on your motherboard, then if it becomes more laggy and then goes back to normal, while you are playing or have discord open, then that shows that it most likely is the CPU throttling. It is not the power supply, it is good to clean it, but never open up a power supply, it is vary dangerous, and they do use glue usually to keep thinks in place for power supplies because it is non conductive so that is normal.
90F is pushing?
All my PC's must be fucked lmao
Sometimes ...it's a short. You should never handle hardware if your on carpet or any kind of static potential. Event stuff you can't feel can really do damage to your pc. I use a rubber insulator under my PC. And make sure your properly grounded your power supply. Did you unplug and re-plug everything. Check your power cords as well. :) Just a thought.
Hmm, that is an interesting thought Eric. Now that I think about it I experienced getting shocked as I was replugging some of my cables and I accidentally touched the radiator next to me at the same time. I'll look into a rubber insulator, thanks!
quite a coincidence. my computer died as well in the middle of playing PoE yesterday. Think one of my RAM sticks was borked, when i removed it i could reinstall windows finally.
RIP
the first thing i suspected was the GPU. GPUs don't always break completely if something is wrong with them. and they give you the strangest behavior. trust me i feel your pain. GPUs issues drove me mad before.
The fact that you have managed to retain your sanity after such a hellish experience speaks volumes for your commitment. Personally I think I would have thrown the damn machine out the window by the second day. Good work and welcome back !
I hope that you'll correct this problem, and all will be ok. GL
Have you checked so everything like Ram GPU and such are locked in properly? I had this problem when my CPU fan wasn't properly in place. I got fixed when i took everything out and redo it.
Several times yea, but it definitely could have been the cause yea.
EVGA has provided great support for me in the past. I would not hesitate to reach out to them for a little help. It's the main reason I constantly purchase from Asus, EVGA, Razor, and Logitech. But, it's not a loss replacing the PSU as that one sounds like it was quite in need of it anyway. I'll throw you a sub on Twitch. Good luck, man.
Have ton of +% fire dmg items due to playing dual pistol Fire Strike Commando. I am gonna try this build after completion of AoM for the first time :-)
Welcome back! I hope you're well.
Good thing you're fine and your computer now! 😉
Let's play!
Considering how much time i spend on my computer, it can be quite frustrating if there are issues. Thankfully my past few builds have been quite reliable and always ran fine until i built my next one.
Hey bro. Long time no hear from you but welcome back!
I completely respect your drive and persistence to solve your problem. The same “psychosis” works for me and usually I find the solution. In your case however, I think you were subconsciously in denial of a hardware GPU issue haha. Whatever can be replaced quickly (like NOT the PSU) is the first way to go. So, RAM, GPU and maybe CPU all of which you can borrow from a friend or keep in the “graveyard” at your place.
But now it is done, enjoy your upgrades which could have looked redundant before but now they were necessary 😉 💪🏻🤘🏻🤜🏻
that fricking sucks brother, hope you work it out soon.
I have had the same issues with i7-4790K, MSI Gaming 7 board & 2x 1080 in SLI. Never found out what the issue was but it solved it self after several Windows reinstalls, mobo flashes, gfx card flashes.. nothing worked until it did. I suspect the board being semi malfunctioning as I have only had trouble with MSI products (2x970 cards, mobo, mouse) .. Although at that point I have had everything out of the case and reinstalled EVERYTHING. It is still alive and working now but I don't use that machine anymore as I upgraded everything (now on Ryzen which is another headache).
Just remembered!
It was driver issues with the board. Windows 10 builds after 1803 or something like that always malfunctioned while previous Windows 10 builds worked just fine. How I fixed it I cannot remember. It has been some years. And ofc MSI doesn't update anything because it is an way outdated board.
Because you mentioned Discord: There is a hardware acceleration setting in Discord that maybe messes things up for you. try to disable
had something like that happening to me a few month back. in my case in was the power supply that basicly grilled my ram . only by removing 3 of my 4 ram sticks i could even get into windows. new power suply and 1 new ram saved me but 3 days of figuring out what the f happened left me halfway insane. gl with your problem
Sigh, I have the same problem as you guess that means that I need a new GPU. Although I have been able to keep using my GPU by down clocking it and putting the power lvl down to 50% power. so that is a work around.
Wow. Great story. I'm a bit surprised trying a video card swap out wasn't higher on your trouble shooting list. It is a reasonably simple operation, a hell of a lot easier than trying a new PSU. And I would have thought someone who makes a living as you do would have a spare, old, or extra card available to do that with. Alas, live and learn I guess. I think it would be pretty impossible for any of us to accurately deduce what the actual problem was, but I'd be willing to put my bet on a failing GPU, even if was only six months old.
it's kinda sound's like a core issue caused by the wrong bios that might have had some settings that forced to much voltage into the core and decayed the core.
Look, I've seen enough ghost videos to know that chair that moved upstairs was a ghost.
TLDR: don't bother trying to fix, just buy new shit instantly ;) JK this was actually pretty informative, looking forward to Blight vids!
Btw: Best conditions to start a new and unusual videoseries for PoE: How to catch up as a later league starter or how to deal with the circumstances of a casual player in PoE?
First mistake is not having spare parts to swap in and out of your PC to check individual parts for issues. I have a slew of older PSU's, HDD's, GPU's, RAM, etc. I would suggest downloading a 2D platformer and seeing if the problem persists. If it does, try removing your GPU and running off of onboard graphics. Because it sounds like your GPU is malfunctioning. Were it your PSU, you would likely get some sort physical indication, i.e, smoke ,sparks and even the damn things explodes - had it happen once.
it was your PSU. I had the problem a while ago and after monitoring the 3.3V, 5V, 12V Lanes it was clear. in my Case the 3.3V Lane was only 3V or less depending on what i did on the computer. My Seasonic with 7 Years Warranty gave up after 7 Year 2 Month :)
From a company perspective that is one well designed PSU. Not only did it sell, but it also prevented them from having to repair it :D
Hopefully you have solved it with the new GPU. But if not it may be motherboard/bios related.
As soon as you mentioned the problems with your screen it remind of something i had myself some months ago.
Disconnect your pc from power and try to pull out the battery from the mobo and let it drain totally for some minutes. Then put it in again and reinstall windows.
It would be good to test with a new PSU. Can you test your Graphics card in another system? Once these are ruled out it would be good to test the SSD. You maybe chasing more than one problem. I wouldn't flash untill the new PSU is installed. Looks like you found the issue in the end, hopefully.
I would try and borrow a gpu from a friend to see if the gpu is the problem. Also its always a good idea in these situations to start removing unnecessary hardware to try and isolate the issue.
Bro I think it was a XMP profile configuration issue. A Windows Update might have switched your XMP profile to default and messed with the voltages, which is why your system stutters under load.
First off I hope you have registered your 1080 TI with EVGA. If you have, call them on there 24/7 Tech support. They have helped me many of times when I have had issues in the past with my EVGA cards and I have always found there assistance helpful; at the very least you can rule out your GPU.
Dude your card is not new. You card propably was give back to shop as fault unit. And they put new bios and "baked" your card in oven (this can make dying card with cold solder joint to give 6 months or more to live) - and sold as new. I know, it's 1080ti, so it's 2yo card. However - it was really popular for crypto currency mining! So I could work 24/7 for months without proper coolers and with dust - and it may cause damagin your GPU. So, first check series number from card sticked to box. If it matchs - register your card on evega. Then go to shop you bought and and ask for full refund. Even if you made reflash with correct bios - you still may have solder joint issue - so that's the reason of lack of preformance and card trying chase it by taking more power.
Card never should hit critical power usage when is healthy! Your card is refurbish card, and propably it killed your psu aswell. If I you have option go and borrow some card and run all benchmakrs and games on borrowred card (don't have to be so powerfull as gtx1080ti, just powerfull enough to run poe and other games). If you don't have frame drops - its your "new" card.
However your discord issue bothers me, so I would check borrowed GPU on old and new ram. But i don't think it ram fault, usally when ram is damaged or you run out of ram - games don't drop frames like that, you will get 1-5 secound freeze.
Ps. If possible give full specifisation on your system - and I you would like to, e-mail me. I can try help you out by e-mails or discord :)
Lol, I did write this message before finishing video. :) However - if you still have ANY problems, feel free to contact me :)
GPU is easy to test, as most modern processors come with a built-in GFX-card. So if it works with that, but not with your "real" GFX-card, then you have your answer. That happened to me, one week before Blight release. In my case though, I had a completely black screen and a GFX-card which smelled like BBQ, which was kind of a strong hint.
Your voice was holding back tears bro. Keep up the good job you got this.
Nearly EVERY time I have had a machine that I have built start having random slowdown issues it was caused by a failing hdd or ssd once it was a bad stick of ram. If it a decent PSu its more than likely fine. I would try a new SSD asap before you lose all your data. Coarse that's assuming you already tried a backup gpu to see if the 1080 fried or something...
I had very similar issues right before my HD bricked. Got a new SSD, everything's perfect now.
After installing the latest windows 10 update and the latest nvidia drivers (like 2 weeks ago) when i start my pc my monitor wont open immediately, it will close and open continuously like it cannot get signal from my GPU.After a while , about 3-5 mins , it will open like normal. So i think that this has to do with some of the updates... (I do not experience the other symptoms you describe though)
Hi LNB, maybe i lost it, but did you tried to disable hardware acceleration in discord settings?
just to enhance this topic (i'm from germany, so no native english, sorry): Discord nowadays has the option to "go live", in fact to stream. It maybe the root cause. Discord will reserve some of your hardware "ressources" in case you want to stream (fps cap at 85). Maybe you can check, if it is possible to disable the "stream functionality" from discord. Otherwise replace your grafic card. I had a similar issue with one of my former gpu's from nvidia. any time i started a game, i got a black screen and my pc crashed. it was due to my new gpu. i sent it back to the seller and they repaired it. After it came back, it occured again. So it went back again and they again repaired it. That time the gpu finally worked.
More than likely someone changed the bios and put a shunt mod on it for ln2 and pushed it too far.
I started running into weird graphics hang ups, getting black screens, etc. Figured it was my card shitting out (Sapphire Nitro r9 390) so I bought a new card which was failing to even post. Figured I might not be having hardware but it was driver issues. Did a system reinstall of the OS and reinstalled the drivers manually. This fixed the issue and the new card posted.
Your adventures make me feel for you, it's so frustrating.
Sounds like you're getting some kind of fucky driver issue.
Edit: the no signal problem with the monitor was also a symptom of my issues so you're almost certainly hitting driver problems. see if you can clean everything and reinstall some older versions of drivers. also, I reapplied my cpu thermal paste, which has given me issues before (probably not in your case since you don't get temperature spikes).
Thanks for the advice mate.
One thing that fixed my "no monitor signal" when booting was disabling fast start in bios and windows, you might wanna check that out in case you didn't get it solved yet =)
@@LiftingNerdBro We've been reading the same posts friend, that was indeed what I had to do.
Well, don't feel bad. I subscribed your channel after this video.
Don't stress out about all this on our account. These things happen with computers, sometimes, I'm sure no one is blaming you or upset with you. If anything, most of us probably just feel bad for you having to deal with all this crazy crap! I do, anyway. I'm glad things are working again, though! :)
i am probably a bit late but here is my 2 cents. Nvidia manufactures only one chip that goes into all the gforce cards, the only difference is that if it has defective parts they cut that part off litteraly at the atomic level ( there are videos about how they do it) and just sell the gpu as a lower serie one as the chip is now less powerfull so it fits for a less powerfull and less expensive card yet they dont have to discard the entire chip since even only half of it can do for a good 1060 for example. with that in mind i dont think the gpu bios was "wrong" expecially cuz it ran for 6 months, it was just installed to give a better preset to the gpu as the example you proposed for overclocking.
my best guess would be that as you said shit happens and thats why we have warranties on items such as pc parts, and i think the gpu just broke. but as the rule goes, if nothing happens in the first 3 monts, anything should happen for 3 years. at the beginning of my IT studies i thought that was bs but i can now confirm there is some truth XD only difference is that if nothing happens after 3 years it just last forever, as an old 280 i still have around can confirm lol.
my second best guess is that the shitty glue you found fused on cables it didnt look to be supposed to be there actually caused (or was caused) but a short that then fried something in the gpu at least partially.
my general advice tho is that if you have spare parts and you are not struggling to the end of the month, keep them instead of making 100$ more. i mean, if you have a card that is worth 500$ ofc sell it, but if you have rather cheap parts that will cost you a day or two to arrange the meeting, drive to a place and have to deal with a cheap dude trying to skim off 20$ on a 1$ purchase just avoid doing so and keep the part that you know works but you may just be replacing for the sole reason of upgrading. that will allow you to build up a good collecion of working parts that will help you figure out what is going wrong in your pc, as in your case an old but still working gpu would have allowed you to just swap it in and see if that was the issue or not, and maybe carrying you through the time it takes to get the new one checked in and returned to you.
wish you good luck and let us know =)
This video just set in stone what I had already thought about myself and tech abilities: I have none and now won’t even try to build a pc, I’ll just go and buy one. Best Buy thankyou for the more than generous credit limit, here I come.
Building your own computer only helps you to understand how it works better, and will better prepare you to diagnose issues when something goes wrong.
ahhhh. Glad to see that I'm not the only one who cant find a solution on the net when it comes to my pc problems .
You obviously lifted your comp way to hard bro! No more bench pressing it!
Hard drive issues often does heavy load on read error, sounds like u need a new ssd or hdd. Problably because the cluster where discord is installed is fucked.. try a new hard drive. And dont copy paste from ur old hard drive to make sure no errors travels
My computer was also acting out. It was happening when video was playing on wowhead while I was playing wow. It went away when Yi updated windows. Hope you get up and running soon.
In the case it returns, try disabling hardware acceleration in your chrome browser, if you haven't already. A lot of people seem to experience massive stutters with that running, even if it is just in the background =)
Yo i had this problem once. It would happen to me in battlefield 5. It was software related. I fixed it by putting all power states to the maximum and a couple setting in nvidia control panel to give priority to games.
Literally the same thing was happening to me. I'm hoping it's the same issue for me.
Most common is harddrive/ssd issues but it can be difficult finding what is causing the problem. Some programs I use to monitor that everything is ok:
CrystalDiskInfo for harddrive/ssd info. Intuitive and tells you emmidietly if something is corrupt or broken. Found out my old harddrive was broken this way after experiencing ever decreasing performance. Bought a new one and everything was fine again.
HWMonitor or HWInfo gives you alot of info about basically everything, temps, fan speed, memory, voltages etc.
RealTemp shows gpu and cpu temperatures, can have it always visible in taskbar.
I actually used all of those applications mate. I probably went through 25 different software installations to check if one them could detect something the others couldn't, haha =)
I have noticed Discord sometimes bugging a bit and trying to run several processes (in the process manager) at once instead of just one. Might be one issue on top of some others.
Should have brought it to a PC store. The first thing we do is replace each hardware piece and test the performance. Would have discovered it was your video card much sooner and definitively. But there is value in the learning experience and trying it for yourself. As for the fault in the video card, it's hard to say but having a different bios is a bit weird and suspect. You should write down some of the numbers on the card and chips and punch it in to google. May give you more info to verify the authenticity of the card.
This is what happens when you play blight league... Fries your computer... jk, hope you get your rig worked out soon. Love your content!
@LiftingNerdBro if you RMAd directly to EVGA and not the retailer then no, they wont repair it but will send you a brand new one cause its a hassle to them to do the testings and u might be even a bit more lucky and get upgraded to a 2080 or even a 2080ti with no upcost at all. thats how EVGA handles these thing its the only aib partner company that does it that way! fingers crossed that u get a upgrade