"I watched my husband go from a boy to man, when I stopped trying to be a mother and started being a wife" DANG the spirit is convicting me today 😭 Lord help me to let go of the control and the anxiety and let my husband be a man 🙏
Can you give me an example of what you did to treat him as a man instead of a child? My husband told me today that he thinks of me as his best friend, his mom, and his baby at the same time. I don't want him to think of me as his mother but I can see how I may have caused that outlook. I think i do too much to help him and our family because I feel like if I don't do everything it won't get done.
My 16 years daughter is preparing her GCSE speech to be a voice for the unborn. She is going to make a speech about "The risks of abortion law on the unborn, who need the most protection". She did her homework. it is not easy for her and then I saw her bravely choosing her title and came to me for more information. Lila, thank to you I have most of the answers she asked and guided her for sources for the data and ways to put her arguments.
Why am I crying 😭 I am married to an unbeliever (Jesus saved me after we were married and had kids) and have struggled and struggled for control. I’ve been wrestling with God over this for years just knowing that I know better for my family and unfortunately I’ve been going in circles. It hit me so hard when Lisa said “it’s a yoke to you, throw it off” and that we don’t need to trust him, we need to trust God. I am working on throwing these burdens off according to my convictions. The teaching my children of Christ is a non-negotiable, but I have to let go of so many other things. The timing of this conversation was perfect. I’ve needed this so much. Thank you, ladies! I could use some prayers please, for the salvation of my husband and for wisdom in navigating through this.
I suggest listening to Candace Cameron Bure I know that she had a similar story to yours and it might help. Praying for you and your family never lose hope God is working through you he has a perfect plan❤
Absolutely praying in the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ for you to be able to trust God, throwing every heavy yoke off. Praying for peace for you and your family! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Don't forget to keep studying your Bible as well. Read through 1 Corinthians 7. There is some solid advice for your situation. I pray that God's will be done in your marriage. There have been husbands who have been saved because of the love and respect of their wife and her obedience to God.
My husband and I were married 4 1/2 years before I got saved and I prayed and prayed and 4 1/2 years later my husband got saved. I clung to the scripture that says you win them by your conversation (lifestyle). Live for Jesus and keep praying and living for the Lord!
As a young woman in her 20s, these conversations are so meaningful. It’s so devastating to see my generation fall apart and indulge in numerous short term pleasures. I’ve struggled finding female mentors my entire life, but women like these are so strong and truly empowering. I’m tired of being told that as a woman, I’m not strong because I’m not a man. That empowerment comes from independence. These things are all lies and I see my peers being destroyed by them. As a woman, strength is found through compassion, altruism, and empathy. Not acting like a man. Empowerment is understanding and submission. No one realizes the guts it takes to be dependent on someone else, it’s way more difficult than independence.
independence & compassion, altruism and empathy aren´t mutually exclusive?? Also, what does being independent have to do with acting like a man? Being financially independent is extremely advantageous in today´s world, especially when it comes to activism and helping others.
@@indi.91 TBH I don´t view being in a relationship as giving up your independence at all. Being able to choose your partner is a sign of freedom, especially when you consider that in modern day there are still areas where forced marriages are extremely common.
As a woman in her 20’s I agree! I wish society would go back to when women could stay home wi their children/ just do volunteer work or pursue a passion that didn’t require being a provider in an economic way 😭
I’m only 10 min in and I already want to say- thank you for showing consideration and compassion to the women who aren’t mothers.. I’m single, in my 30s, no children but God blessed me with the gift of Sign Language and English Interpreting- I work in the educational field (in your words- that’s “”my baby””). I do want to marry and have children but it’s hard to navigate the dating world and I pray that I don’t become bitter, jealous and jaded AND to not fall into temptations ☹️. So THANK y’all for these conversations bc it’s hard to find people to relate to.
*THANK YOU for bringing up Abuse. A big misconception about Conservative Christians, is that we tolerate abuse in the name of "submission". Unfortunately there have been churches and pastors that have tried to downplay abuse (example: John MacArthur), but safety of yourself and children should come first.*
its not a misconception its actual reality. the catholic church doesnt have its reputation for no reason. the church is the perfect place for an abuser to hide because all they have to do is say the right things and look the part. i grew up seeing "good christians" turn a blind eye to abuse. you actually create the world that you end up having to fight against. its quite an entertaining show.
@@bephanie What I mean to say is that Abuse is tolerated in Conservative Christianity. Of course it exists (as I have mentioned) and it's so sad. But these are actions that don't reflect Christian theology in any way.
Couldve listened for another 5 hours 🫶🏼 starting to realize that I need to get involved in mentorship at my parish. Thank you for such edifying conversations.
I needed this so much today. Thank you for the inclusive language. I long to be a mother, but I'm currently struggling with infertility. Thank you for how compassionately you spoke about motherhood. ❤️
Hearing Allie speaking of submission and what it looks like to have a healthy and Christ honoring relationship, all while being a strong and hard working woman has be in tears! Beautifully said.
My daughter is the best thing that’s ever happened to me… and the hardest. Sometimes it’s the worst thing ever and I’m jealous of people that have their freedom. But it doesn’t change how amazing my daughter is.
This was such a great conversation! I love all three of you ladies. I’ve listened to and read books by Lisa for many years. Love her. Thanks Lila for this episode!!
Excellent discussion, ladies 👏 I feel that the word "submission" to our husbands has been turned into a term that implies "defeated" or some other negative connotation. Sure, if a husband is abusive, irresponsible, or just lazy, all of this will definitely feel like a burden. When a man won't step up to the plate, we automatically put those extra stresses on ourselves to make up for it, and of course, we get burned-out eventually. A healthy family unit involves teamwork on some level. I can't change my husband, but I usually pray and ask God about changes I need to make, not just as a wife and mother, but as a daughter, friend, sister,, etc.
I'm happy about this conversation. I have been really wanting to hear what these three women have to say with each other. (A Reformed Baptist, Pentecostal, and a Roman Catholic)
Who’s Pentecostal? I know Allie is reformed Baptist, Lila is Catholic, but Lisa doesn’t “present” as Pentecostal. I always thought the Beveres were nondenominational?
@@devanficken8643 Beveres come from a Pentecostal background. They might be in an independent Charismatic Church. These Church's are Arminian and Egalitarian.
Yes, and I appreciate Bevere's clarity on submission to husband and societal gender issues, but her stance on female pastors and preachers is a blind spot that comes out of her pentecostal foundation. Obedience to God's word regarding female roles in Christ's church is equal to the roles of women in the home. Bevere misses that entirely and will draw women into rebellion in both if she is not strong and clear on both.
@devanficken8643 i hope allie addresses the lies of mike gendron from when she hosted him on her podcast. He lied to her audience through his teeth and she never once questioned him.
I have a big problem with the submission portion of the conversation. And although I respect my husband in many ways, I cannot approve of his moral and faith values. I married him thinking he was on the journey to Christ. I believed that he would be the father and husband he made me believe he would be. If it was up to my husband alone, he would not always attend mass. He is okay with transgender. He is okay with abortion! He is a pretty left liberal now. I can’t leave it up to him to teach our children values when I see his values as extremely contrary to the church! I have no intention to divorce him. And I want to help him return to the conservative values I thought he had when we married. Though he is fighting me tooth and nail. If I say white, he says black. He strives to be contrary before he begins to listen. He is so very different now, 27 years later, from where he began. I love my husband, but I cannot sit back and permit him to make these kind of family decisions. He would lead us away from God with the views he has. But our home is so toxic. I need more from him, and our children need more from him, before I believe he could be a family leader in that way. I mean, it hurts when he values and believes the views of his friends over his wife. He seems to think it’s okay to challenge me all the time and disrespect my views, especially in front of people. He does not honor his wife. God would not be present in our home if it was just up to my husband, which is very strange because I thought he was a stronger faith person when he made the decision to join Knights of Columbus. He is full of contradictions. And, I believe that God made Eve from Adam’s rib, not his foot bones or skull bone, because Eve was made equal to Adam. And when the Bible says for woman to submit and men to love his wife as God loves his church, he is saying that man should love and honor their wives so much as to die for her, and woman should return that kind of love and honor with the kind of love Jesus gave to his apostles whom he lead when he washed their feet. Jesus was submissive, but not slave. Jesus humbled himself before those he loved, as wives should humble themselves. Basically, woman, don’t get a big head because your man is supposed to honor you with his life. You have to be good to him too. And if Jesus can submit himself to humility before his disciples, wives can give the same love to their husbands. It’s about unconditional and humble love… not man is my boss. It also teaches man on how he should behave towards the receipt of the humbled, unconditional love. Anyway… sorry for rambling. It’s just that I hear it said all too often in a way that honestly takes away from the point that Eve was made from Adam’s rib. Eve was made his equal. But there is a kind of love and submissiveness that is necessary from each person for the couple to survive and blossom in God’s grace.
I always loved Lisa Bevere and all her books! I do not know these younger ladies but I heard Godly wisdom in this conversation. May God bless you all! And everyone on this channel as well.
LOVED this talk! Great helpful insights and personal testimony on the lady on the right’s marriage. Keep putting the truth out there, God bless you all!
Scripture says "In the last days, men [people] will become lovers of themselves" There are more true narcissists today than ever before. I was in a relationship with someone who was a genuine narcissist and I feel like my testimony is now questioned by people. Unless you've lived through it, questioning the victim is the worst thing that could be done to them. True narcissists cause their victims to question their own reality. When a victim reaches out for help and the response from others is to question them on whether the other person really is abusing them... it actually perpetuates the abuse that they are presently enduring. If someone reaches out to you and accuses their partner of being a narcissist, the best thing to do is ask for examples AND THEN PRAY. Do not come to any conclusions, or question them right then and there. Let God reveal what is going on. I hope that makes sense. 🙏
I completely agree. Thank you for this comment. I love these ladies and agree with most of what they say, but this hurt some as a survivor of hidden and covert abuse ("no bruises". I typed out this big reply and then I went to look up the scripture you were talking about which is 2 Timothy 3:1-9 "...In the last days terrible times will come. 2 For men (people) will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good, 4 traitorous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these! 6 They are the kind who worm their way into households and captivate vulnerable women who are weighed down with sins and led astray by various passions, 7 who are always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, also these men oppose the truth. They are depraved in mind and disqualified from the faith. 9 But they will not advance much further. For just like Jannes and Jambres, their folly will be plain to everyone. I came back and my response was gone and I was typing it out again and then it was not recording properly. But I do agree with you that scripture says that in the last days there will be people that will fit many many of those characteristics this scripture mentions and that definition is very close to narcissistic/antagonistic-type personality styles. Just because someone says a person is a narcissist, narcissistic, toxic, etc does not mean that you are "diagnosing them", as they said. If I say they have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, that is diagnosing them. If you say they have this certain list of characteristics like entitlement, manipulation, gaslighting, and, in some cases for malignant narcissistic people, they are sadistic and very psychologically abusive, then you are stating behaviors they exhibit. Allie mentioned someone getting "beat", but in psychologically abusive relationships we won't see bruises on the outside, but there are many many bruises and scars on the inside. Many of these women are pushed to suicidal ideation or even actions because they're scared that no one will believe them. I do agree that some of these words have been overused but at the same time I think we need to take all of these from women seriously and simply listen. If a woman or man brings this information to their church, a counselor, their pastor, or mentor they need to listen like you said @natashaclason7075. Questioning doesn't need to be immediately about what the woman has not done or done or what they need to do to make things better. Many, many women stay well past the point where it's dangerous because they want their marriages to work out, they want their husbands to get better, they want their families to stay together; that was true in my own 18-year relationship and in many many women I see as a pastoral counselor. This goes for men as well because the numbers for abused men are underreported, but most of these people want to stay in their marriage. They're not looking for an excuse to get out, they're looking for guidance on what to do. I wish they had spent more time on this and I know they did make a few caveats, but then I felt they jumped right into how the beginning of Lisa's marriage was difficult for 4 years and that they just stuck it out and everything was better for it. I don't think that that was a really good way to transition into the next part of the conversation. I know they only have limited time on here, but there are many narcissistic personality style people that hide in churches because we as Christians are told to forgive, to bear with others, and lots of things, and I agree with that, but we're also supposed to carry the load God calls us to carry. God also has six things that he hates and 7 that He detests and this list also in 2 Timothy 3:1-9 is very consistent with the list of what God hates: a lying tongue, haughty eyes, feet that are quick to run to evil, people who devise wicked schemes, people that are divisive, etc. While I hate that people overuse words sometimes, that doesn't mean that that's not true for a lot of the women and men that will say they've been abused or or the victim of a narcissist. That doesn't mean we want to stay a victim, but we should be able to tell the truth without fear of people doubting the legitimacy of the abuse, as well as call out people to the standard that they're supposed to be at in relationships of all kinds. Sorry this got very much out of order because of having to write it 3 times, but I would love for @allie @lilarose and @lisabevere to discuss this more and have people on that have experienced narcissistic abuse first-hand. Thx 🙏🏼😊❤
Girls---Can we talk about how beautiful Allie looks in this episode. Girlfriend is slaying with the hair and makeup. The dress is so super adorable. My sister wants her dress! Girlfriend is not playing when it comes to style and fashion.
I’d love to hear your opinion on how society disrespects mothers. I’ve definitely been disrespected and the pain of that is hard to overcome. I did not deserve it but in a culture that thinks men can be women, and women who abort are celebrated, we need to work together to change our society to understand the fundamental position of motherhood. Motherhood is a position appointed and honoured by God.
One more thing. I think we as women of faith need to soften our hearts and the hearts of our radicalized sisters. I keep thinking of the scene from Moana where Moana bravely walks up to the lava monster and knows its the feminine goddess of life and call out to her heart. The monster cools and allows Moana to place the heart inside her chest bringing life to the goddess and to the surrounding islands
I think one thing Live Action could benefit from is opening up somewhat to different perspectives. For example, not shunning secular people or people who are religious or spiritual but not Christian who may never believe or believe different things, and accepting that’s their personal journey on this Earth. Or for example, in their video about the sexual revolution, trying to remember that if we all existed only for the community like they said, and based our milestones and morals on that, we wouldn’t really have a full human experience. That doesn’t mean there isn’t an objective truth, but everything each individual sees is filtered through their personal bias and there is no other possible way to experience the world if you’re that person. As CareNet says, love of self is one of the pillars of Christianity. It’s not above loving your neighbor or loving god, but we are made in god’s image, so how can we not honor ourselves, and part of that is not always focusing on procreation. We need to accept that sex solely for emotional intimacy or physical pleasure is okay, and that many people don’t just stop having sex after their fertile years. Yes, people should still take responsibility for sex and step up when it comes to pregnancy, but I think it’s more nuanced than either always having marriages and families or always focusing on sex for just physical pleasure.
@@susiedyck4914 I think that you mean that Lila finds the truth not Allie. Allie believes the true gospel. Lila rejects it. And Lisa Bevere needs to repent. Her and her husband John are at best unbiblical and at worst false teachers
@GOSPELDYNAMITEONE I believe all 3 of these women are true believers, but of the 3, I believe Allie holds to some egregious teachings in regards to the nature and character God, which unfortunately overflows into her interpretation of the gospel message.
Just want to add, about the triple x media aspect of this. I think that one thing that was missed here, is the female side of consuming triple x media. If a wife for instance is against her husband watching that, but she reads romance novels filled with the written version of it, that's hypocrisy. I don't think Christian women get called out for this enough, if at all, as the focus here always seems to be about the men. Which seems more like a feminist view than a Christian one.
This is a much needed episode and topic. I think that it may be time for hetero women like you to directly confront the women who are saying things like, the future is female, etc. Which largely are, non hetero rad feminists, both old and young. I've only seen one person do this, which is Jordan Peterson who confronted Cathy Newman of Channel 4. But Jordan did a fantastic job, but he is a man. I think we need to see this from women like you. Otherwise, these specific feminist women continue to go unchallenged by the very kinds of women who need to do the challenging. In order to make real change.
Lets be careful suggesting that "there just aren't that many narcissists". There aren't that many diagnosed narcissists due to the fact that the narcissist isn't going to go see a psychologist who is well trained in narcissism. If there is a pattern in emotional abuse, gas lighting being a huge red flag, then I would take the situation as an abusive relationship instead of simply being disappointed.
This should be titled “how to see the world through rose colored glasses and win brownie points with our husbands by promoting traditional roles, while being blessed with flexible jobs that generate a good income”. Where to start… The same way that some professors at the university pretend to be liberal, but they move their families to conservative areas and live quite conservative lifestyles, because they know what values actually work (they are married no cohabiting BS, their wife is educated also as educated people tend to marry educated people, they send their children to conservative or private schools, they don’t embrace the partying lifestyle or promiscuity, they go to church - even if some of them don’t really believe, for the sake of community - while promoting the confusion of liberal values and alternative lifestyles to others, to win brownie points with the crazy far left activists). So, it is with these ladies here, who see the world through rose colored glasses. This is my impression of them, Lisa sounds very reasonable and balanced at first, but then goes off the deep end (especially her support of an 11 year old giving birth… an 11 year old getting pregnant - aside from the abuse of it - is life threatening to that 11 year old because her body is still growing, and is still not equipped to safely carry a pregnancy to term. So, an 11-year-old and her parents should have the choice of aborting). Moving on, while I agree for example that it is good and freeing to just leave it in the Lord’s hands, the Lord never said to submit to an incompetent or ungodly man (as Lisa implied). Abigail in the Bible knew that her husband was a fool, and she was the one who wisely averted David’s desire for revenge due to her husband’s foolishness. David praised her for her wisdom, he didn’t berate her for not being submissive to her husband in that circumstance. Also know that any man who is hung up on the word “submission” is not a good man. Like Allie said, a marriage should be collaborative and respectful for both parties, with the understanding that the man is the team leader (if he is truly Godly and therefore wise). On a side note: I hope that Allie is okay, because her eyes don’t look well, she looks like she either cries her eyes out before going on air, or that she is not able to sleep well (which is the most probable and my guess), or that she has some kind of addiction (alcohol or some other intoxicant, which I don’t think is the case). But her eyes look red and tired. As for Lila Rose, she comes across as a very sweet woman who is very privileged and therefore lives in la la land. The Proverbs 31 woman was a rich woman (in the sense that she was married to a rich man), which is obvious from the descriptions of her. She doesn’t represent the everyday woman, and the challenges that an average woman would face. The woman in Proverbs 31 had servants and maid servants, does the average woman have a crew to clean her house and cook for her? This woman also has a side hustle from knitting, but it is obvious that she is supplementing her income with her husband’s money, to be able to go out and buy land. She also has those servants to work the land. So, she wasn’t doing it all on her own, far from it, she had a lot of help inside and outside the home. As for p*rn addiction or consumption, if you find out that your boyfriend or fiancée is looking at this stuff, you should break it off immediately (and not get back together with him, unless he has really worked on himself and repented to the Lord and changed). P*rn does not just make a man weak (unable to control himself) and unable to carry his daily responsibilities, but further down the road it makes him sociopathic and dangerous (by stunting the person consuming the filth). A man cannot be truly Godly while putting his mind under Satan’s influence. If you are married, and you discover that your husband lied to you about this, then you have every right to divorce, Jesus says “He who looks at a woman to lust after her in his heart, has already committed adultery”, and the Bible allows for divorce in the case of adultery. Now sure, at first you need to put some effort to make the marriage work, and it is good that it worked for Lisa, and her husband was truly remorseful and repentant, but she should understand that there are many men who are not like that. In that case, a woman owes it to herself and for the safety and well-being of her children (if she has children with him), to leave - even if it is hard. In short, I agree that men and women shouldn’t give up easily on their marriages because marriage is sacred and is ideally for a lifetime (and I believe that the majority of women -especially Godly women - do not give up easily on their marriages). Yes, some online female liberal channels do seem to thrive on outrage and sowing division between husbands and wives, but at the same time some online male conservative channels also thrive on the same by selling false outrage to the males. Many online men are not religious even when they pretend to be, a portion of them have idolized sleeping around (which is destructive for both men and women), have been leaving the churches for the past 40 years, are now online pretending to be Christian while promoting the idea of cohabiting with women without marrying them (which is completely un-Biblical and un-Godly), don't want to be told to be committed to and to love their wife or to provide for their children. Now an increasing number of women are following suit (but instead of idolizing sleeping around and cohabiting without responsibility, they are choosing to be 4B). So, aside from the economy that I believe is the number 1 cause for falling marriage rates and birth rates (and the falling birth rates are a global phenomena, so it is not just the West), there is a problem in the behavior of both men and women, but I see it more pronounced in the men, whereas I see women being more reactionary to what these types of men are doing or promoting.
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"I watched my husband go from a boy to man, when I stopped trying to be a mother and started being a wife" DANG the spirit is convicting me today 😭 Lord help me to let go of the control and the anxiety and let my husband be a man 🙏
Can you give me an example of what you did to treat him as a man instead of a child? My husband told me today that he thinks of me as his best friend, his mom, and his baby at the same time. I don't want him to think of me as his mother but I can see how I may have caused that outlook. I think i do too much to help him and our family because I feel like if I don't do everything it won't get done.
"If you have structure without nurture, you'll build big but you won't build safe." Sheesh, Lisa. Such wisdom!
Please pray for my wife. She's currently going through a miscarriage and devastated.
Prayers for strength and comfort.
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Praying, brother.
So you get on a RUclips channel to tell everyone instead of going to the emergency room? WTF?
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My 16 years daughter is preparing her GCSE speech to be a voice for the unborn. She is going to make a speech about "The risks of abortion law on the unborn, who need the most protection". She did her homework. it is not easy for her and then I saw her bravely choosing her title and came to me for more information. Lila, thank to you I have most of the answers she asked and guided her for sources for the data and ways to put her arguments.
Why am I crying 😭 I am married to an unbeliever (Jesus saved me after we were married and had kids) and have struggled and struggled for control. I’ve been wrestling with God over this for years just knowing that I know better for my family and unfortunately I’ve been going in circles. It hit me so hard when Lisa said “it’s a yoke to you, throw it off” and that we don’t need to trust him, we need to trust God. I am working on throwing these burdens off according to my convictions. The teaching my children of Christ is a non-negotiable, but I have to let go of so many other things.
The timing of this conversation was perfect. I’ve needed this so much. Thank you, ladies!
I could use some prayers please, for the salvation of my husband and for wisdom in navigating through this.
I suggest listening to Candace Cameron Bure I know that she had a similar story to yours and it might help. Praying for you and your family never lose hope God is working through you he has a perfect plan❤
Absolutely praying in the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ for you to be able to trust God, throwing every heavy yoke off. Praying for peace for you and your family! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Literally same. Praying in Jesus name our households come into order with Christ as the head. Thank You Lord for Your Holy Spirit and help.
Don't forget to keep studying your Bible as well. Read through 1 Corinthians 7. There is some solid advice for your situation. I pray that God's will be done in your marriage. There have been husbands who have been saved because of the love and respect of their wife and her obedience to God.
My husband and I were married 4 1/2 years before I got saved and I prayed and prayed and 4 1/2 years later my husband got saved. I clung to the scripture that says you win them by your conversation (lifestyle). Live for Jesus and keep praying and living for the Lord!
As a young woman in her 20s, these conversations are so meaningful. It’s so devastating to see my generation fall apart and indulge in numerous short term pleasures. I’ve struggled finding female mentors my entire life, but women like these are so strong and truly empowering. I’m tired of being told that as a woman, I’m not strong because I’m not a man. That empowerment comes from independence. These things are all lies and I see my peers being destroyed by them. As a woman, strength is found through compassion, altruism, and empathy. Not acting like a man. Empowerment is understanding and submission. No one realizes the guts it takes to be dependent on someone else, it’s way more difficult than independence.
independence & compassion, altruism and empathy aren´t mutually exclusive?? Also, what does being independent have to do with acting like a man? Being financially independent is extremely advantageous in today´s world, especially when it comes to activism and helping others.
@@MargaretBurmingham-qm5dxIt's not that independence is bad. It's just not necessarily superior to depending on someone in a loving relationship
@@indi.91 TBH I don´t view being in a relationship as giving up your independence at all. Being able to choose your partner is a sign of freedom, especially when you consider that in modern day there are still areas where forced marriages are extremely common.
As a woman in her 20’s I agree! I wish society would go back to when women could stay home wi their children/ just do volunteer work or pursue a passion that didn’t require being a provider in an economic way 😭
@@MargaretBurmingham-qm5dx Lol didn't say anything about financial independence or dependence. Pursuing a four year degree at McGill...
I’m only 10 min in and I already want to say- thank you for showing consideration and compassion to the women who aren’t mothers.. I’m single, in my 30s, no children but God blessed me with the gift of Sign Language and English Interpreting- I work in the educational field (in your words- that’s “”my baby””). I do want to marry and have children but it’s hard to navigate the dating world and I pray that I don’t become bitter, jealous and jaded AND to not fall into temptations ☹️. So THANK y’all for these conversations bc it’s hard to find people to relate to.
You career is your baby?
Three of my absolute favorite woman and sisters in Christ in one place. So much wisdom.
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*THANK YOU for bringing up Abuse. A big misconception about Conservative Christians, is that we tolerate abuse in the name of "submission". Unfortunately there have been churches and pastors that have tried to downplay abuse (example: John MacArthur), but safety of yourself and children should come first.*
its not a misconception its actual reality. the catholic church doesnt have its reputation for no reason. the church is the perfect place for an abuser to hide because all they have to do is say the right things and look the part. i grew up seeing "good christians" turn a blind eye to abuse. you actually create the world that you end up having to fight against. its quite an entertaining show.
@@bephanie What I mean to say is that Abuse is tolerated in Conservative Christianity. Of course it exists (as I have mentioned) and it's so sad. But these are actions that don't reflect Christian theology in any way.
I consider Lisa a spiritual mother. Such a blessing! I'm in that demographic range, 31 years old and just had my 4th baby 2 weeks ago. ❤
Wow around the 12 minute mark I love what you said. We need each other. Men and women are the future. I love this discussion.
Couldve listened for another 5 hours 🫶🏼 starting to realize that I need to get involved in mentorship at my parish. Thank you for such edifying conversations.
I needed this so much today. Thank you for the inclusive language. I long to be a mother, but I'm currently struggling with infertility. Thank you for how compassionately you spoke about motherhood. ❤️
Wow!!! Y'all are my top three Christian women I look up to. Praise God. So excited to listen!
I love you all. Thank you for using your voices for the Kingdom. ❤
The conversation was so good, they didn't even touch their coffee.
I had a feeling there'd be a collaboration with Allie Beth Stuckey and Lisa Bevere soon and here it is!
The marriage portion of this really slapped me in the face. Thank you ladies for sharing this!
Lila, please do another episode with these ladies. I have already listened to this episode 2 !!
Hearing Allie speaking of submission and what it looks like to have a healthy and Christ honoring relationship, all while being a strong and hard working woman has be in tears! Beautifully said.
As a man I can't tell you how good it is to hear 3 accomplished Women
Honour their husbands.
I salute you.
My daughter is the best thing that’s ever happened to me… and the hardest. Sometimes it’s the worst thing ever and I’m jealous of people that have their freedom. But it doesn’t change how amazing my daughter is.
I very rarely comment on videos. I need you ladies to know that this video made the biggest difference in my life. Thank you!
Thanks for your work
“You can’t change your husband, you can’t. But you can change your response and ask God to get involved” 🙏🏼😭
This was such a great conversation! I love all three of you ladies. I’ve listened to and read books by Lisa for many years. Love her. Thanks Lila for this episode!!
beautiful conversation, thank you ladies. God bless you!
Nice to see real women supporring each other
I think that color looks beautiful on Lila! But that is my favorite color so maybe I’m biased, but Lila looks beautiful!
I like Lisa Bevere. She is a good role model. She is worth listening to. Glad you found her.
I love this conversation so much
This is amazing!! Love all of you ladies ❤❤❤
Excellent discussion, ladies 👏 I feel that the word "submission" to our husbands has been turned into a term that implies "defeated" or some other negative connotation. Sure, if a husband is abusive, irresponsible, or just lazy, all of this will definitely feel like a burden. When a man won't step up to the plate, we automatically put those extra stresses on ourselves to make up for it, and of course, we get burned-out eventually. A healthy family unit involves teamwork on some level. I can't change my husband, but I usually pray and ask God about changes I need to make, not just as a wife and mother, but as a daughter, friend, sister,, etc.
Hmm.
Thanks!
I'm happy about this conversation. I have been really wanting to hear what these three women have to say with each other. (A Reformed Baptist, Pentecostal, and a Roman Catholic)
Amen. Shows how much we has Children of God can come together :)
Who’s Pentecostal? I know Allie is reformed Baptist, Lila is Catholic, but Lisa doesn’t “present” as Pentecostal. I always thought the Beveres were nondenominational?
@@devanficken8643 Beveres come from a Pentecostal background. They might be in an independent Charismatic Church. These Church's are Arminian and Egalitarian.
Yes, and I appreciate Bevere's clarity on submission to husband and societal gender issues, but her stance on female pastors and preachers is a blind spot that comes out of her pentecostal foundation.
Obedience to God's word regarding female roles in Christ's church is equal to the roles of women in the home. Bevere misses that entirely and will draw women into rebellion in both if she is not strong and clear on both.
@devanficken8643 i hope allie addresses the lies of mike gendron from when she hosted him on her podcast. He lied to her audience through his teeth and she never once questioned him.
I have a big problem with the submission portion of the conversation. And although I respect my husband in many ways, I cannot approve of his moral and faith values. I married him thinking he was on the journey to Christ. I believed that he would be the father and husband he made me believe he would be. If it was up to my husband alone, he would not always attend mass. He is okay with transgender. He is okay with abortion! He is a pretty left liberal now. I can’t leave it up to him to teach our children values when I see his values as extremely contrary to the church! I have no intention to divorce him. And I want to help him return to the conservative values I thought he had when we married. Though he is fighting me tooth and nail. If I say white, he says black. He strives to be contrary before he begins to listen. He is so very different now, 27 years later, from where he began. I love my husband, but I cannot sit back and permit him to make these kind of family decisions. He would lead us away from God with the views he has. But our home is so toxic. I need more from him, and our children need more from him, before I believe he could be a family leader in that way. I mean, it hurts when he values and believes the views of his friends over his wife. He seems to think it’s okay to challenge me all the time and disrespect my views, especially in front of people. He does not honor his wife. God would not be present in our home if it was just up to my husband, which is very strange because I thought he was a stronger faith person when he made the decision to join Knights of Columbus. He is full of contradictions.
And, I believe that God made Eve from Adam’s rib, not his foot bones or skull bone, because Eve was made equal to Adam. And when the Bible says for woman to submit and men to love his wife as God loves his church, he is saying that man should love and honor their wives so much as to die for her, and woman should return that kind of love and honor with the kind of love Jesus gave to his apostles whom he lead when he washed their feet. Jesus was submissive, but not slave. Jesus humbled himself before those he loved, as wives should humble themselves. Basically, woman, don’t get a big head because your man is supposed to honor you with his life. You have to be good to him too. And if Jesus can submit himself to humility before his disciples, wives can give the same love to their husbands. It’s about unconditional and humble love… not man is my boss. It also teaches man on how he should behave towards the receipt of the humbled, unconditional love.
Anyway… sorry for rambling. It’s just that I hear it said all too often in a way that honestly takes away from the point that Eve was made from Adam’s rib. Eve was made his equal. But there is a kind of love and submissiveness that is necessary from each person for the couple to survive and blossom in God’s grace.
All three of you ladies have taught me so much on my
walk with the Lord ✨🙏🏼 God bless you all!
My fav 3 Christian women together!!! ❤❤❤
Lisa is Roman Catholic, not Christian. RCC is antibiblical, I can give examples if interested.
Thank you so much for this podcast. Love Allie and Lisa.
Answer: an adult female human
These women are so wise and truly an inspiration ❤
Loved this! Such good messages. Well said.
Three of my favorite women on social media! Would’ve been able to listen to this conversation for hours ✨🙌🏽
Good bless you all ladies ! May God keep you safe 🤍 I loved this conversation!
This is the best collaboration ever made.
I always loved Lisa Bevere and all her books! I do not know these younger ladies but I heard Godly wisdom in this conversation. May God bless you all! And everyone on this channel as well.
LOVED this talk! Great helpful insights and personal testimony on the lady on the right’s marriage. Keep putting the truth out there, God bless you all!
These ladies, along with Kristen, are my heroes. I love great women and I love great mothers! ❤❤❤
Scripture says "In the last days, men [people] will become lovers of themselves" There are more true narcissists today than ever before.
I was in a relationship with someone who was a genuine narcissist and I feel like my testimony is now questioned by people. Unless you've lived through it, questioning the victim is the worst thing that could be done to them. True narcissists cause their victims to question their own reality. When a victim reaches out for help and the response from others is to question them on whether the other person really is abusing them... it actually perpetuates the abuse that they are presently enduring. If someone reaches out to you and accuses their partner of being a narcissist, the best thing to do is ask for examples AND THEN PRAY. Do not come to any conclusions, or question them right then and there. Let God reveal what is going on. I hope that makes sense. 🙏
I completely agree. Thank you for this comment. I love these ladies and agree with most of what they say, but this hurt some as a survivor of hidden and covert abuse ("no bruises".
I typed out this big reply and then I went to look up the scripture you were talking about which is 2 Timothy 3:1-9 "...In the last days terrible times will come. 2 For men (people) will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good, 4 traitorous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these!
6 They are the kind who worm their way into households and captivate vulnerable women who are weighed down with sins and led astray by various passions, 7 who are always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, also these men oppose the truth. They are depraved in mind and disqualified from the faith. 9 But they will not advance much further. For just like Jannes and Jambres, their folly will be plain to everyone.
I came back and my response was gone and I was typing it out again and then it was not recording properly.
But I do agree with you that scripture says that in the last days there will be people that will fit many many of those characteristics this scripture mentions and that definition is very close to narcissistic/antagonistic-type personality styles. Just because someone says a person is a narcissist, narcissistic, toxic, etc does not mean that you are "diagnosing them", as they said. If I say they have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, that is diagnosing them. If you say they have this certain list of characteristics like entitlement, manipulation, gaslighting, and, in some cases for malignant narcissistic people, they are sadistic and very psychologically abusive, then you are stating behaviors they exhibit. Allie mentioned someone getting "beat", but in psychologically abusive relationships we won't see bruises on the outside, but there are many many bruises and scars on the inside. Many of these women are pushed to suicidal ideation or even actions because they're scared that no one will believe them.
I do agree that some of these words have been overused but at the same time I think we need to take all of these from women seriously and simply listen. If a woman or man brings this information to their church, a counselor, their pastor, or mentor they need to listen like you said @natashaclason7075. Questioning doesn't need to be immediately about what the woman has not done or done or what they need to do to make things better. Many, many women stay well past the point where it's dangerous because they want their marriages to work out, they want their husbands to get better, they want their families to stay together; that was true in my own 18-year relationship and in many many women I see as a pastoral counselor. This goes for men as well because the numbers for abused men are underreported, but most of these people want to stay in their marriage. They're not looking for an excuse to get out, they're looking for guidance on what to do. I wish they had spent more time on this and I know they did make a few caveats, but then I felt they jumped right into how the beginning of Lisa's marriage was difficult for 4 years and that they just stuck it out and everything was better for it. I don't think that that was a really good way to transition into the next part of the conversation. I know they only have limited time on here, but there are many narcissistic personality style people that hide in churches because we as Christians are told to forgive, to bear with others, and lots of things, and I agree with that, but we're also supposed to carry the load God calls us to carry. God also has six things that he hates and 7 that He detests and this list also in 2 Timothy 3:1-9 is very consistent with the list of what God hates: a lying tongue, haughty eyes, feet that are quick to run to evil, people who devise wicked schemes, people that are divisive, etc.
While I hate that people overuse words sometimes, that doesn't mean that that's not true for a lot of the women and men that will say they've been abused or or the victim of a narcissist. That doesn't mean we want to stay a victim, but we should be able to tell the truth without fear of people doubting the legitimacy of the abuse, as well as call out people to the standard that they're supposed to be at in relationships of all kinds.
Sorry this got very much out of order because of having to write it 3 times, but I would love for @allie @lilarose and @lisabevere to discuss this more and have people on that have experienced narcissistic abuse first-hand.
Thx 🙏🏼😊❤
Love Allie Beth Stuckey and Lisa Bevere
Girls---Can we talk about how beautiful Allie looks in this episode. Girlfriend is slaying with the hair and makeup. The dress is so super adorable. My sister wants her dress! Girlfriend is not playing when it comes to style and fashion.
For real! I love her dress soooo much!
This was such a fantastic episode! Thank you! ❤
This is an exceptionally good video. Thank you ladies for sharing truth and wisdom with us. I needed the reminders about honoring my husband.
So good. A Baptist, a Roman Catholic and Charismatic having a Bible-based conversation about godly womanhood.
Such a powerful podcast. I admire you guys so much! Thanks for speaking the truth!
I LOVE the combination of Allie Beth & Lila Rosa yay
I love that ya’ll are talking about colors!! Very warming ☺️💕
You ladies are wonderful, God bless you.
I’d love to hear your opinion on how society disrespects mothers. I’ve definitely been disrespected and the pain of that is hard to overcome. I did not deserve it but in a culture that thinks men can be women, and women who abort are celebrated, we need to work together to change our society to understand the fundamental position of motherhood. Motherhood is a position appointed and honoured by God.
This trio was SO edifying ❤ 🙌🏼
3 woman I absolutely love listening to! Amazing ❤ do this more often if possible 🥰
Thankyou.
Excellent discussion . Thank you for bringing forward God throughout the topics.
God bless.
wow - 3 of my bffs meeting up together!
All three of you guys are such a blessing. Thank you for the hard work you do, and you’re all such incredible role models to look up to.
All beautiful colors & I love your blouse Lila looks awesome
I LOVE Allie Beth Stuckey.
Thank you for this talk ladies God bless 💕
What an amazing conversation!
I enjoyed this conversation so much. So edifying, inspiring and uplifting ❤️
My little 6 year old son loves insects & especially bug wars! Love his energy
One more thing. I think we as women of faith need to soften our hearts and the hearts of our radicalized sisters. I keep thinking of the scene from Moana where Moana bravely walks up to the lava monster and knows its the feminine goddess of life and call out to her heart. The monster cools and allows Moana to place the heart inside her chest bringing life to the goddess and to the surrounding islands
I think one thing Live Action could benefit from is opening up somewhat to different perspectives. For example, not shunning secular people or people who are religious or spiritual but not Christian who may never believe or believe different things, and accepting that’s their personal journey on this Earth. Or for example, in their video about the sexual revolution, trying to remember that if we all existed only for the community like they said, and based our milestones and morals on that, we wouldn’t really have a full human experience. That doesn’t mean there isn’t an objective truth, but everything each individual sees is filtered through their personal bias and there is no other possible way to experience the world if you’re that person. As CareNet says, love of self is one of the pillars of Christianity. It’s not above loving your neighbor or loving god, but we are made in god’s image, so how can we not honor ourselves, and part of that is not always focusing on procreation. We need to accept that sex solely for emotional intimacy or physical pleasure is okay, and that many people don’t just stop having sex after their fertile years. Yes, people should still take responsibility for sex and step up when it comes to pregnancy, but I think it’s more nuanced than either always having marriages and families or always focusing on sex for just physical pleasure.
The conversation could have been much longer! I would love a part 2…!
A righteous mother is the most valuable thing on earth. Second only to the salvation of the christ.
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STAWP!!! My three fave in one video!!! 😭❤️
"Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God." Ephesians 5:21 KJV
Lila that pink looks like an autumn colour to me❤😊
Please make this a series
Older women MUST 😭🙌🏽
My grandmother moved away from my grandfather but still stayed married to him but she did not stick around for the abuse.
The best collab ever
❤ you women!
You all look beautiful, whether those colors are the “right” ones or not. ❤
Regarding 16:07, Beth Allison Barr wrote about this in “The Making of Biblical Womanhood”
“… they don’t trust God with their formation, so they don’t trust Him with their transformation.” Mic drop!!
I have so many questions as a wife of an addicted husband and mother of 4 boys
Love love Lisa, I hope Allie finds the truth in who God truly is.
What do you mean
@@susiedyck4914 I think that you mean that Lila finds the truth not Allie. Allie believes the true gospel. Lila rejects it. And Lisa Bevere needs to repent. Her and her husband John are at best unbiblical and at worst false teachers
@GOSPELDYNAMITEONE I believe all 3 of these women are true believers, but of the 3, I believe Allie holds to some egregious teachings in regards to the nature and character God, which unfortunately overflows into her interpretation of the gospel message.
Just want to add, about the triple x media aspect of this. I think that one thing that was missed here, is the female side of consuming triple x media. If a wife for instance is against her husband watching that, but she reads romance novels filled with the written version of it, that's hypocrisy. I don't think Christian women get called out for this enough, if at all, as the focus here always seems to be about the men. Which seems more like a feminist view than a Christian one.
angels are what these people are
Relinquish control...loving and training our husbands vs the kids, humm. Good point.
Color palette -- I'm with Lisa, everything is black with color added. So much easier.
This is a much needed episode and topic. I think that it may be time for hetero women like you to directly confront the women who are saying things like, the future is female, etc. Which largely are, non hetero rad feminists, both old and young.
I've only seen one person do this, which is Jordan Peterson who confronted Cathy Newman of Channel 4. But Jordan did a fantastic job, but he is a man. I think we need to see this from women like you. Otherwise, these specific feminist women continue to go unchallenged by the very kinds of women who need to do the challenging. In order to make real change.
Women helping women and children like the good old days.
The gentlemen need to follow suit. Ruslan, Matt Fradd and Jonathan Pageau would be awesome
Abortion is crimes against soul not just temporary physical life...eternal soul ...who has right to its body as well ....
Lets be careful suggesting that "there just aren't that many narcissists". There aren't that many diagnosed narcissists due to the fact that the narcissist isn't going to go see a psychologist who is well trained in narcissism. If there is a pattern in emotional abuse, gas lighting being a huge red flag, then I would take the situation as an abusive relationship instead of simply being disappointed.
I would love to see Rachel Wilson on this panel.
Save the babies!!!
Jesus Christ it’s happening best of best together finally.
This should be titled “how to see the world through rose colored glasses and win brownie points with our husbands by promoting traditional roles, while being blessed with flexible jobs that generate a good income”. Where to start…
The same way that some professors at the university pretend to be liberal, but they move their families to conservative areas and live quite conservative lifestyles, because they know what values actually work (they are married no cohabiting BS, their wife is educated also as educated people tend to marry educated people, they send their children to conservative or private schools, they don’t embrace the partying lifestyle or promiscuity, they go to church - even if some of them don’t really believe, for the sake of community - while promoting the confusion of liberal values and alternative lifestyles to others, to win brownie points with the crazy far left activists).
So, it is with these ladies here, who see the world through rose colored glasses. This is my impression of them, Lisa sounds very reasonable and balanced at first, but then goes off the deep end (especially her support of an 11 year old giving birth… an 11 year old getting pregnant - aside from the abuse of it - is life threatening to that 11 year old because her body is still growing, and is still not equipped to safely carry a pregnancy to term. So, an 11-year-old and her parents should have the choice of aborting).
Moving on, while I agree for example that it is good and freeing to just leave it in the Lord’s hands, the Lord never said to submit to an incompetent or ungodly man (as Lisa implied). Abigail in the Bible knew that her husband was a fool, and she was the one who wisely averted David’s desire for revenge due to her husband’s foolishness. David praised her for her wisdom, he didn’t berate her for not being submissive to her husband in that circumstance. Also know that any man who is hung up on the word “submission” is not a good man.
Like Allie said, a marriage should be collaborative and respectful for both parties, with the understanding that the man is the team leader (if he is truly Godly and therefore wise). On a side note: I hope that Allie is okay, because her eyes don’t look well, she looks like she either cries her eyes out before going on air, or that she is not able to sleep well (which is the most probable and my guess), or that she has some kind of addiction (alcohol or some other intoxicant, which I don’t think is the case). But her eyes look red and tired. As for Lila Rose, she comes across as a very sweet woman who is very privileged and therefore lives in la la land.
The Proverbs 31 woman was a rich woman (in the sense that she was married to a rich man), which is obvious from the descriptions of her. She doesn’t represent the everyday woman, and the challenges that an average woman would face. The woman in Proverbs 31 had servants and maid servants, does the average woman have a crew to clean her house and cook for her? This woman also has a side hustle from knitting, but it is obvious that she is supplementing her income with her husband’s money, to be able to go out and buy land. She also has those servants to work the land. So, she wasn’t doing it all on her own, far from it, she had a lot of help inside and outside the home.
As for p*rn addiction or consumption, if you find out that your boyfriend or fiancée is looking at this stuff, you should break it off immediately (and not get back together with him, unless he has really worked on himself and repented to the Lord and changed). P*rn does not just make a man weak (unable to control himself) and unable to carry his daily responsibilities, but further down the road it makes him sociopathic and dangerous (by stunting the person consuming the filth). A man cannot be truly Godly while putting his mind under Satan’s influence.
If you are married, and you discover that your husband lied to you about this, then you have every right to divorce, Jesus says “He who looks at a woman to lust after her in his heart, has already committed adultery”, and the Bible allows for divorce in the case of adultery. Now sure, at first you need to put some effort to make the marriage work, and it is good that it worked for Lisa, and her husband was truly remorseful and repentant, but she should understand that there are many men who are not like that. In that case, a woman owes it to herself and for the safety and well-being of her children (if she has children with him), to leave - even if it is hard.
In short, I agree that men and women shouldn’t give up easily on their marriages because marriage is sacred and is ideally for a lifetime (and I believe that the majority of women -especially Godly women - do not give up easily on their marriages). Yes, some online female liberal channels do seem to thrive on outrage and sowing division between husbands and wives, but at the same time some online male conservative channels also thrive on the same by selling false outrage to the males. Many online men are not religious even when they pretend to be, a portion of them have idolized sleeping around (which is destructive for both men and women), have been leaving the churches for the past 40 years, are now online pretending to be Christian while promoting the idea of cohabiting with women without marrying them (which is completely un-Biblical and un-Godly), don't want to be told to be committed to and to love their wife or to provide for their children. Now an increasing number of women are following suit (but instead of idolizing sleeping around and cohabiting without responsibility, they are choosing to be 4B). So, aside from the economy that I believe is the number 1 cause for falling marriage rates and birth rates (and the falling birth rates are a global phenomena, so it is not just the West), there is a problem in the behavior of both men and women, but I see it more pronounced in the men, whereas I see women being more reactionary to what these types of men are doing or promoting.
How funny that color pallets are trendy! This was something we did back in the ‘80’s. Now, it’s called trendy.