I actually think that since evil/dark (Overlord/oni) or any thing that represent evil in Ninjago is gone the realms had to merge to keep the balance in check.
I think both the Firstbourne and the Source Dragons are at the level of Power where you can easily call them "Gods" and be fine Like that. Also, am I the only One Who thinks that Imperium capturing the Source Dragon caused the merge?
Let me elaborate this further: The Firstbourne Is likely a Goddess of Creation Who would have a counterpart in the First ever Oni Who would be a God of Destruction. The FSM would then be either a God of Balance, a God of Light (with the Overlord as a counterpart being a God of Darkness) or even both. I feel Like it's possible that the Source Dragons played a part in the Creation of most realms and as such are able to influence them. Perhaps they are heralds of a higher being (the FSM, the Firstbourne or maybe a new God we still haven't seen). Do you think this makes sense?
Yeah, but even though Firstbourne is the mother of all dragón the source dragon is infinitely more powerful, source dragon claimed to havethe power to destroy realms in a single claw. Which is nothing Firstbourne can do.
@@Jimmy-tb9pemm sorta. I guess the Oni could have their own version, top is source dragon for both Oni and dragon, than the Firstbourne as opposed to the Omega Oni, than the Matriarch/Patriarch dragon or for the Oni, the 3 Oni warlords. Then regular dragons and Oni. Then below that you could put part blooded Oni (you could not put Garmadon here because technically the Overlord made him even more powerful so he’s on a higher leve).
Quoting Kevin Burke(head writer of DR) “That’s not a drawing of the Matriarch - Source Dragons are so rare and powerful than few have seen them and most consider them myths. This drawing is a representation, like a drawing of Zeus or Odin.”
Well we have technically seen 2 Source Dragons, the one in imperium and the one in Lloyd's vision. (unless they are the same)... but maybe it's to do with the strange symbols in Lloyd's vision again, maybe they represent a different Source Dragon.
I had suspected that maybe the source dragons were a different faction of dragon that fled the first realm and evolved into source dragons over the millennia.
Well whatever every dragons strengths and powers are the source dragon in the imperium sphere seems to be bigger than Firstbourne and he also (telepathically) said that he has the ability to shatter Imperium into pieces
The Source Dragons are, to my interpretation, the source of everything in the universe. One does not simply evolve unlimited power, and I also don't think the source dragons could flee the first realm as they exist beyond the 16 realms. I haven't finished watching the new 10 episodes yet, so who knows.
The OG dragon hunters knew the ninjas had a connection to dragons because of there powers they were so much smarter than imperium and they failed I don’t think impeirium stands a chance
@@chrisblanchard8807 they simply knew different things due to having different circumstances, doesn't make them smarter. A'm guessing that in the pre-merged realm of Imperium that the empire had less access to dragons thus prompting more "strategic" or "advanced" siphoning of draconic power. The knowledge that the Hunters had was more in line of elemental abilities, not so much of the dragons' life force. This makes more sense (at least to me) because the Hunters are shown enslaving the dragons whilst Imperium used them more like batteries.
This reminds me of greek mythology. Just because you are the firstborn of your kind does not mean you are the most powerful one of your kind and your offsprings might be more powerful than you.
yep the Primordials got overthrew by their children aka the Titans and the Titans got overthrew by their children aka the Gods. Also if all the realms existed before the birth of the FSM would this mean a higher being exists similar to him and the FSM is like an avatar and that might explain how he knows about the merge and stuff?
It was always weird to me that the matriarch dragon was a source dragon and was not nearly as powerful as the captured source dragon who claimed a single claw could destroy a whole realm, if the matriarch dragon could do that she could easily beat those imperium soldiers and not require Lloyd’s support. Also Lloyd’s charge of the source dragon was more powerful than the Matriarch power charge.
Yep and that big source dragon said that due to his power it would greatly affect and change Lloyd. Unlike Riyu and the Matriarch dragons power level which is less and they don't have an affect on the realms or Lloyd!
Could the Oni have a chain like this? all the random Oni are level 1, the Oni Warlords are level 2 Matriarch/Patriarch, Omega unless there was a firstbourne Oni at Level 3, and a Source Oni?
Soooo.....the Matriarch is not a Source Dragon...while at the same time was shown on a scroll in episode 2 with Lloyd claiming it as a Source Dragon...riiiiight... Then what breed is Riyu supposed to be exactly? I thought he was a Source Dragon, how else could he do the same thing the Matriarch can do? Does that make Riyu a Matriarch then? What in the huh in the what huh?!
Do you remember paintings on oni Temple wall? I assume that Oni similarly may also have levels and on 95% omega is not on lvl4 i just remind we heard about their powers which we have not even seen so i think there could be more oni which are way more powerful than Omega
What interests me is which is older, Firstborn or the Source Dragons? Firstborn is canonically the First Dragon from The First Realm. If Source Dragons are more powerful, does that also mean they're older (that's usually how the power scaling for ancient creature types works). Could they be considered another species entirely that only resembles Dragons?
i think firstborn is older since she is the mother of all dragons while the source dragons are probably her first and most powerful set of children its like garmadon and lloyd where the son is more powerful than the parent
@@ferociousrazordino3581 lloyd has the ptential be be more powerful than him his oni form was laready more powerful than his dads and garmadon could use it for like around 2 years before lloyd went into his
@@chrisblanchard8807what are you talking about she only has elemantal powers while source dragons have the power to defeat whole imperium using his claw source dragons >>>>> FIRSTBOURNE
According to my theory, Firstbourne is the mother of dragons with the power of creation. Perhaps the source dragon and the dragon of creation are different races.
we know that the oni left the first realm long before the "hunted" season, perhaps dragons also left around that time. Since some dragons were known to steal powers, perhaps they stole power from the underworld realm (forgot the name) then perhaps this made them a source dragon, garmadon went there then was physically able to hold the weapons of spinjitsu. another thing that could logically make sense is that they stole source magic from different realms that could then show why they are "source" dragons
Well, that depends if the ninja ever pay a visit to a section of Ninjago that used to be the first realm of course that depends if the first realm why is one of the realms that merged with Ninjago
Good qeustion I- I just realized that the reason why the fsm was able to travel between realms was becs he is half dragon With means that wu, garmadon and Lloyd should be able to travel between realms too
Source dragons are most likely older than the firstbourne.1st because their elemental power is strong enough to match reality and even power imperium for years. 2nd it could be either way since the firstbourne has all the elements of creation
@@cronicly7813 well age doesnt equal power she could have given birth to them and made them to be more powerful than her she could have also been more powerful in the past but over the millions of years she got weaker
Well yea but also dragons can teleport between the realms, I mean the first dragons we ever see in ninjago were actually in ninjago not the first realm
I'm thinking a Source Dragon gave birth to Firstborne or she gave life to EVERY dragon and the Source Dragons were the first dragons she had and that's why they're so powerful?
So who is Ryu’s father? If his mother is a matriarch dragon and Ryu is a source dragon his father is surely a source dragon? Is it the one in imperium or what other source dragon is Ryu’s father.
Guys I stopped watching Ninjago at season 10 and now returned to the series after a while, Can someone please explain to me what has happened with the series im really confused on whats currently going on 😭
the ultra dragon is just a regular dragon elemental dragons arent dragons they are made out of the elements like the fire fang and lloyds bike from season 3 or the stone mech
So which Category does Chompy go in than surely if he’s level 0 as a baby but he grows to adult size does that make him Level 2 than ? Or in between 2&3 ? I doubt he’s a Level 1 in adult form if he can take a beating from a Bone Dragon that’s twice his size in adult form i would think he can be at least Level 2 Speaking of Griefbringer I’m gonna assume Griefbringer is a Level 3
What is the ultra dragon though? Because yes, it is still made up of normal dragons but there are 4 of them so I think that should be level 2 and then every one after that just moves up a level
So despite being a baby Riyu more powerful than a Matriarch dragon? he is able to share his power when Sora needs it Firstbourne is the mother of all dragons and that Source dragon did say he would be able to wipe out the whole city with just one claw
The problem is that she didn't even do shit against the oni but instead she ran while source dragon is capable of destroying all the 16 realm with single claw basically he can eliminate all the onis with absolute ease he is literally the strongest beside overlord and fsm
@@AbbasAlqattanIt was stated that the Oni are capable of erasing entire kingdoms (in seasons 9 and 10), and it was also not stated that the Source Dragon could destroy the Entire REALM with one claw, only the Imperium. Most likely, this meant a planet, not a Kingdom. However, Source Dragons, through rifts in the fabric of reality, can still destroy worlds without making an effort
I just can't make sense of the whole thing with Firstborn, it is explicitally stated that she is the mother of dragons, so shouldn't that make her the mother of the source dragons too? Why are they exeptions if not? If firstborn is the mother of dragons then her and the first Oni were the first beings in the first realm, making them the oldest things that can exist unless something predated the Oni and Dragons. Even if Firstborn is their mother, that doesn't neccessarily mean that the source dragons can't be more powerful than her, though it does speak to some serious power creep, we never got a sense of Firstborn's power, we see her lose twice but it was to an army of Oni including her counterpart: The Omega, and also to Garmadon's Oni titan, during season 9, Garmadon was at his full potentual, putting him at at least half the strength of the first spinjitsu master assuming his power was divided equally amoungst his sons. This also puts him just above half the power of the Overlord, all of this being a minimum. The point is that at this point in the timeline Garmadon was amoung the strongest things we've seen, so losing to his titan, which represents his true potentual does not make Firstborn weak. That said, my issue is that the power scaling up until season 10 is actually pretty consistant with the only wild cards being ghosts, djin magic, and the time twins, only because you can't quantify those powers. Power creep was largely avoided throughout those seasons with Lloyd's golden ninha form and the Overlord Golden master remaining the strongest thing we've seen, which equaled the might of the four golden weapons, and most things could be scaled to that level. The 11 minute era didn't break too much with the Overlord seemingly having the same power level as he did in season 2 since the four golden weapons can once again defeat him. The one outlier was Woejira with her eledgedly being too powerful for the First Spinjitsu master to defeat alone, scaling her as the most powerful thing on the series, and yet Nya can defeat her. And then dragons rising comes along and strongly implies the source dragons to be more powerful than anything, with one eledging that it could destroy the entire world by mistake, something all the Oni couldn't really accumplish while actively trying to do so. I just feel it's a bit cheap to raise the power ceiling this much without much buildup or foreshadowwing, since suddenly one of these dragons scales above the overlord, firstborn, the first spinjitsu master and all the Oni. It just bothers me because Ninjago has historically been pretty good at not raising the power cap, and seeing that streak so casually broken feels weird.
I think the source dragons are older becuz firstbourne can’t be the first dragon someone has to give birth to her right.. so i think there where already source dragons who gave birth to firstbourne and she became the first elemental dragon but not the first dragon.. and who is the husband of firstbourne a source dragon? Who knows hope we will find that out soon.
you still run into the same issue if the source dragons are older than firstbourne firstbourne is probably the first dragon created by the universe to represent creation then she gave birth to all the other dragons the source dragons being some of the first and they ended up being more powerful then her
The ultra dragon is dead lol, they can’t be included anymore, and as far as I know same with elemental drsgons. Though I’d probably put the UD at level 2
the ultra dragon is just a regular dragon the elemental dragons arent dragons they are made out of the elements like the fire fang and lloyds bike from season 3 or the stone mech
Is the dragon in the yellow bubble the father of all dragons since I’m pretty sure dragons can’t reproduce asexually and we haven’t been introduced to the father yet
Since dragons are the only creatures that can ferry between the 16 realms, it would make sense that their power would be connected to the merge.
Yes. This was a “super smart” comment.
I actually think that since evil/dark (Overlord/oni) or any thing that represent evil in Ninjago is gone the realms had to merge to keep the balance in check.
@@josephmaller592 incorrect...the Oni were repelled from Ninjago, not destroyed and the Overlord isn't gone...he is literally unable to be killed
@@xxmension04xx47 Yes, you are correct However, have you watch the video that I shared?
@@josephmaller592 can you share it first though?, can't watch it if you don't share it
I think both the Firstbourne and the Source Dragons are at the level of Power where you can easily call them "Gods" and be fine Like that. Also, am I the only One Who thinks that Imperium capturing the Source Dragon caused the merge?
Let me elaborate this further:
The Firstbourne Is likely a Goddess of Creation Who would have a counterpart in the First ever Oni Who would be a God of Destruction. The FSM would then be either a God of Balance, a God of Light (with the Overlord as a counterpart being a God of Darkness) or even both.
I feel Like it's possible that the Source Dragons played a part in the Creation of most realms and as such are able to influence them. Perhaps they are heralds of a higher being (the FSM, the Firstbourne or maybe a new God we still haven't seen).
Do you think this makes sense?
Yeah, but even though Firstbourne is the mother of all dragón the source dragon is infinitely more powerful, source dragon claimed to havethe power to destroy realms in a single claw. Which is nothing Firstbourne can do.
Yes, but there hasn't been any confirmation Firstbourne can't do that. I might be wrong but I still think she's stronger
@@Jimmy-tb9pemm sorta. I guess the Oni could have their own version, top is source dragon for both Oni and dragon, than the Firstbourne as opposed to the Omega Oni, than the Matriarch/Patriarch dragon or for the Oni, the 3 Oni warlords. Then regular dragons and Oni. Then below that you could put part blooded Oni (you could not put Garmadon here because technically the Overlord made him even more powerful so he’s on a higher leve).
Yeah, tough if we follow this idea we'd Need a new, stronger Oni
The scroll about source dragons had a picture of the Matriarch Dragon
Quoting Kevin Burke(head writer of DR) “That’s not a drawing of the Matriarch - Source Dragons are so rare and powerful than few have seen them and most consider them myths. This drawing is a representation, like a drawing of Zeus or Odin.”
Glad we know more about the dragons
I wonder how many source dragons there are in total and I can’t wait to see/learn more about them in part 2 and beyond.
Well we have technically seen 2 Source Dragons, the one in imperium and the one in Lloyd's vision. (unless they are the same)... but maybe it's to do with the strange symbols in Lloyd's vision again, maybe they represent a different Source Dragon.
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Im super glad we got this answer, hope the story will explore this more in part 2!
I want a source dragon set, it should be giant and gorgeous. Very good news video.😊
I had suspected that maybe the source dragons were a different faction of dragon that fled the first realm and evolved into source dragons over the millennia.
Yes. This was a “super smart” comment.
Well whatever every dragons strengths and powers are the source dragon in the imperium sphere seems to be bigger than Firstbourne and he also (telepathically) said that he has the ability to shatter Imperium into pieces
makes sense since the oni left the realm a long time before "hunted"
The Source Dragons are, to my interpretation, the source of everything in the universe. One does not simply evolve unlimited power, and I also don't think the source dragons could flee the first realm as they exist beyond the 16 realms. I haven't finished watching the new 10 episodes yet, so who knows.
Just imagine what would happen if Imperium Got it's hands on Firstbourne.
the dragon hunters fails to get her then imperium they don't stand a chances against her
The OG dragon hunters knew the ninjas had a connection to dragons because of there powers they were so much smarter than imperium and they failed I don’t think impeirium stands a chance
@@chrisblanchard8807 they simply knew different things due to having different circumstances, doesn't make them smarter. A'm guessing that in the pre-merged realm of Imperium that the empire had less access to dragons thus prompting more "strategic" or "advanced" siphoning of draconic power. The knowledge that the Hunters had was more in line of elemental abilities, not so much of the dragons' life force. This makes more sense (at least to me) because the Hunters are shown enslaving the dragons whilst Imperium used them more like batteries.
This reminds me of greek mythology. Just because you are the firstborn of your kind does not mean you are the most powerful one of your kind and your offsprings might be more powerful than you.
@I3ricked Ug, I double checked it with Grammarly and I still got it wrong. Well still thank you for correcting.
yep the Primordials got overthrew by their children aka the Titans and the Titans got overthrew by their children aka the Gods. Also if all the realms existed before the birth of the FSM would this mean a higher being exists similar to him and the FSM is like an avatar and that might explain how he knows about the merge and stuff?
@@venjustice6666 I mean sure that does technically count as well, but somewhat Heracles is more stronger than Gaia.
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@@venjustice6666 FSM created sixteen of the realms, not all of them. As far as we know there is only one that he did not make.
It was always weird to me that the matriarch dragon was a source dragon and was not nearly as powerful as the captured source dragon who claimed a single claw could destroy a whole realm, if the matriarch dragon could do that she could easily beat those imperium soldiers and not require Lloyd’s support. Also Lloyd’s charge of the source dragon was more powerful than the Matriarch power charge.
Yep and that big source dragon said that due to his power it would greatly affect and change Lloyd. Unlike Riyu and the Matriarch dragons power level which is less and they don't have an affect on the realms or Lloyd!
Could the Oni have a chain like this? all the random Oni are level 1, the Oni Warlords are level 2 Matriarch/Patriarch, Omega unless there was a firstbourne Oni at Level 3, and a Source Oni?
I think all the random Oni are Level 1 Omega is Level 2 and the Oni Warlords are Level 3
Soooo.....the Matriarch is not a Source Dragon...while at the same time was shown on a scroll in episode 2 with Lloyd claiming it as a Source Dragon...riiiiight...
Then what breed is Riyu supposed to be exactly? I thought he was a Source Dragon, how else could he do the same thing the Matriarch can do? Does that make Riyu a Matriarch then? What in the huh in the what huh?!
1:17 Then according to that guy, Riyu's a source dragon.
Do you remember paintings on oni Temple wall? I assume that Oni similarly may also have levels and on 95% omega is not on lvl4 i just remind we heard about their powers which we have not even seen so i think there could be more oni which are way more powerful than Omega
oh lol I just asked this question and I found someone with the same one but I think it would makes sense because the balance that ninjago has.
I hope elemental dragons because of the title and the season (but they probably wont)
So does this mean a source dragon is the dad of all dragons?
no they are just a type of dragons firstbourne made
or Source Dragons a simply just God like Dragons because there power level are above firstborn's...
Wonder how powerful firsrbourne really is
Aha i knew it but its nice to have a confirmation
With that said, what class does both the S1 Ultra Dragon and Crystalized's Golden Ultra Dragon?
This changes everything we though we knew about dragons in ninjago
Makes sense first born is higher on the list then the other two dragon's I was also confused about the levels of power's 😊
What interests me is which is older, Firstborn or the Source Dragons? Firstborn is canonically the First Dragon from The First Realm. If Source Dragons are more powerful, does that also mean they're older (that's usually how the power scaling for ancient creature types works). Could they be considered another species entirely that only resembles Dragons?
i think firstborn is older since she is the mother of all dragons while the source dragons are probably her first and most powerful set of children its like garmadon and lloyd where the son is more powerful than the parent
@@monerb7185is lloyd really stronger than garmadon though
@@ferociousrazordino3581 lloyd has the ptential be be more powerful than him his oni form was laready more powerful than his dads and garmadon could use it for like around 2 years before lloyd went into his
@@monerb7185 could be!
No she’s the mother of all dragons with all there powers you can’t be older than your mother
Me personally there should be 5 levels. Normal Dragons, Elemental Dragons, Matriarch/Patriarch Dragons, Firstbourne, and Source Dragons.
Elemental dragons are no "real" dragons.
@@A-Kira yeah true they’re just the elemental powers but I felt like mentioning it
If the firstborn is the mother of all dragon, does that mean she's above dragon sources ? She seems less powerfull. I hope they talk about that
Nah firstbourne canonically has the powers of every dragon meaning she has source dragons powers and riyu so I still think she’s the most powerfull
@@chrisblanchard8807what are you talking about she only has elemantal powers while source dragons have the power to defeat whole imperium using his claw source dragons >>>>> FIRSTBOURNE
@@chrisblanchard8807 Canonically speaking, she only has the powers of the dragons from the First Realm, wind, fire, earth, ice and lightning
My guess is that she's the first mortal dragon, with the source dragons being literal deities.
@@A-Kiranope she doesnt have wind wind and water are wojiras i hope we get to see more about the snakes and wojiras
According to my theory, Firstbourne is the mother of dragons with the power of creation. Perhaps the source dragon and the dragon of creation are different races.
That was really great news
we know that the oni left the first realm long before the "hunted" season, perhaps dragons also left around that time. Since some dragons were known to steal powers, perhaps they stole power from the underworld realm (forgot the name) then perhaps this made them a source dragon, garmadon went there then was physically able to hold the weapons of spinjitsu. another thing that could logically make sense is that they stole source magic from different realms that could then show why they are "source" dragons
So you mean those NOOB TO PRO TO EXPERT TO HACKER videos are real in the Ninjago world? Oh no.
I like to imagine they're are more dragons like first born that can use all the elemental powers
Kinda wish they made Firstborn a source dragon but I get their trying to make their own thing
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Interesting but a good question is where are all the dragons from the First Realm including Firstborne
in the first realm area of the merge probably
Didn't they say in the show that not all the realms were victims to the merge
@cronicly7813 yeah but they never mention an area that's like the First Realm
@@jlpgamin well it merged didnt it so there would be a first realm area just like there is a never realm area
I would love to see Riyu and Firstbourne meet.
Well, that depends if the ninja ever pay a visit to a section of Ninjago that used to be the first realm of course that depends if the first realm why is one of the realms that merged with Ninjago
this will be cool
@@kyleowen3979 all realms merged.
@@A-Kira but the question is are the ninja ever going to pay a visit to those other realms?
@@kyleowen3979 im Sure they will.
I personally think firstbourne should be the most powerfull because she has all the powers of her spawn and is considered immortal
Bro what?
She doesn't have all the powers. But the Source Dragons do.
I don’t say first because I have brain cells
Also because you weren’t first
Firstborne is grandma dragon
3:18 Is that from the fandom, which can be edited by anyone? Are we sure this is accurate?
When now lloyd wu garmadon and first Spinjitsu master are half dragon but which level of dragon dna to they possess
Probably have first Bournes dna
Good qeustion
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I just realized that the reason why the fsm was able to travel between realms was becs he is half dragon
With means that wu, garmadon and Lloyd should be able to travel between realms too
We don't know if he traveled through the realms Like a Dragon.@@nicolas._.2294
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Im curious on how source dragons came to be, and what they were doing before imperium took over
so from oldest to youngest should be firstbourne>source dragons>matriarch/patriarch dragons>regular dragons
but for power its the chart in the video
Source dragons are most likely older than the firstbourne.1st because their elemental power is strong enough to match reality and even power imperium for years. 2nd it could be either way since the firstbourne has all the elements of creation
The firstbourne could have given birth to the dragons separately and they could have gotten their powers from her
@@cronicly7813 well age doesnt equal power she could have given birth to them and made them to be more powerful than her she could have also been more powerful in the past but over the millions of years she got weaker
@monerb7185 could be that too but being equal to reality definetly doesn't come just like this you know
This could be whack but there's no way to do that without thousand or even million years of experience
i thought all the dragons were in the first realm tbh
they probably all are
Well yea but also dragons can teleport between the realms, I mean the first dragons we ever see in ninjago were actually in ninjago not the first realm
Yea me too there have been a lot of changes to Ninjago
Maybe on part 2 riyu will grow up and be very powerfull as a full grown source dragon helping the ninja
Interesting
When and if wu shows up in dragons rising hopefully he shows up riding firstbourne
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I think Firstbourne could easily be considered the first mortal dragon.
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Would the ultra dragon be a level three as it has four elements to it
Level 1 or 2
I'm thinking a Source Dragon gave birth to Firstborne or she gave life to EVERY dragon and the Source Dragons were the first dragons she had and that's why they're so powerful?
probably the second one
Probally the first one
i dont think he has ever said dragon this many times in 1 vidio lol
I think the og dragons are powerfull becuase in the pilot season they traveled to the underworld realm right?
the og dragons are just regular dragon all dragons can realm travel
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Riyu is a child of these dragons level 1., like normal dragons, not matriarch/patriarch dragons and he is a source dragon? How does that make sense??
So is firstbourne NOT the strongest dragon????????
So who is Ryu’s father? If his mother is a matriarch dragon and Ryu is a source dragon his father is surely a source dragon? Is it the one in imperium or what other source dragon is Ryu’s father.
He is Not a confirmed Source Dragon and the Matriarch is not His confirmed mother.
Ok!
What about the elemental dragons in the first realm
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Guys I stopped watching Ninjago at season 10 and now returned to the series after a while, Can someone please explain to me what has happened with the series im really confused on whats currently going on 😭
youll have better luck just watching from season 11 lot happend
@@monerb7185 How many seasons are their after 10?
@@aayanalvi4291 15. 5 and then dragons rising season 1 part 1 its all on netflix
I wonder if the ninja know that rye use a baby source dragon
Any news on jay ?
When is part 2 going to come
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What about ultra dragons and the elemental dragons
The Ultra Dragon is dead. The dragon hunters killed it
the ultra dragon is just a regular dragon elemental dragons arent dragons they are made out of the elements like the fire fang and lloyds bike from season 3 or the stone mech
Where do you classify the el3mtal dragons from the merge
the og dragons the 1st realm dragons the ninja had and the ones from the merge as well as chompy griefbringer and zippy are all level 1 dragons
So which Category does Chompy go in than surely if he’s level 0 as a baby but he grows to adult size does that make him Level 2 than ? Or in between 2&3 ? I doubt he’s a Level 1 in adult form if he can take a beating from a Bone Dragon that’s twice his size in adult form i would think he can be at least Level 2
Speaking of Griefbringer I’m gonna assume Griefbringer is a Level 3
no chompy and griefbringer are both level 1 because they are both regular dragons
Both Level 1
What is the ultra dragon though? Because yes, it is still made up of normal dragons but there are 4 of them so I think that should be level 2 and then every one after that just moves up a level
Level 1.5
In which of these new levels would the Skull Sorcerers Dragon be (undead or alive)?
Probably level 2.
probably level 1
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What is with the ultra Dragon is he also on the same level as firstborne since ultra also has Access to the 4 elements of creation
Unfortunately he passed away but I believe he was a level 2 dragon.
So despite being a baby Riyu more powerful than a Matriarch dragon? he is able to share his power when Sora needs it Firstbourne is the mother of all dragons and that Source dragon did say he would be able to wipe out the whole city with just one claw
He is not a confirmed Source Dragon.
Is it confirmed that Firstbourne is weaker and/or lower in the hierarchy than the source dragons?
Unless the firstbourn is more powerful then a source dragon and is out of rank (they didnt say she cant be )
The problem is that she didn't even do shit against the oni but instead she ran while source dragon is capable of destroying all the 16 realm with single claw basically he can eliminate all the onis with absolute ease he is literally the strongest beside overlord and fsm
@@AbbasAlqattan he can't destroy the 16 realms with 1 claw ☠️ he can destroy imperium
@@AbbasAlqattanIt was stated that the Oni are capable of erasing entire kingdoms (in seasons 9 and 10), and it was also not stated that the Source Dragon could destroy the Entire REALM with one claw, only the Imperium. Most likely, this meant a planet, not a Kingdom. However, Source Dragons, through rifts in the fabric of reality, can still destroy worlds without making an effort
Could the source dragon be the "father" of all dragons?
I still don't understand what a Source Dragon is. How is it more powerful than Firstbourne?
its like lloyd and garmadon where the offspring is more powerful than the parent
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Well not with fsm though
What about chompy
I just can't make sense of the whole thing with Firstborn, it is explicitally stated that she is the mother of dragons, so shouldn't that make her the mother of the source dragons too? Why are they exeptions if not? If firstborn is the mother of dragons then her and the first Oni were the first beings in the first realm, making them the oldest things that can exist unless something predated the Oni and Dragons.
Even if Firstborn is their mother, that doesn't neccessarily mean that the source dragons can't be more powerful than her, though it does speak to some serious power creep, we never got a sense of Firstborn's power, we see her lose twice but it was to an army of Oni including her counterpart: The Omega, and also to Garmadon's Oni titan, during season 9, Garmadon was at his full potentual, putting him at at least half the strength of the first spinjitsu master assuming his power was divided equally amoungst his sons. This also puts him just above half the power of the Overlord, all of this being a minimum.
The point is that at this point in the timeline Garmadon was amoung the strongest things we've seen, so losing to his titan, which represents his true potentual does not make Firstborn weak.
That said, my issue is that the power scaling up until season 10 is actually pretty consistant with the only wild cards being ghosts, djin magic, and the time twins, only because you can't quantify those powers. Power creep was largely avoided throughout those seasons with Lloyd's golden ninha form and the Overlord Golden master remaining the strongest thing we've seen, which equaled the might of the four golden weapons, and most things could be scaled to that level.
The 11 minute era didn't break too much with the Overlord seemingly having the same power level as he did in season 2 since the four golden weapons can once again defeat him. The one outlier was Woejira with her eledgedly being too powerful for the First Spinjitsu master to defeat alone, scaling her as the most powerful thing on the series, and yet Nya can defeat her.
And then dragons rising comes along and strongly implies the source dragons to be more powerful than anything, with one eledging that it could destroy the entire world by mistake, something all the Oni couldn't really accumplish while actively trying to do so. I just feel it's a bit cheap to raise the power ceiling this much without much buildup or foreshadowwing, since suddenly one of these dragons scales above the overlord, firstborn, the first spinjitsu master and all the Oni.
It just bothers me because Ninjago has historically been pretty good at not raising the power cap, and seeing that streak so casually broken feels weird.
You are right thats why i dont like dragons rising the power scaling is broken
You forget elemental dragons
elemental dragons arent dragons they are just manifestations of the ninjas powers they just look like dragons
@@monerb7185 they are considered dragons though
@@callum-td4bz no they look like dragons they are just extensions of the ninjas powers so they arent real dragons
@@monerb7185 still should be classed
@@callum-td4bz they arent dragons but if you really need it they are level 1
I'm guessing that Firstbourne is more powerful than a source dragon, not less.
i think firstbourne is just older and made the source dragons but they are still more powerful than her
Her name even says she was born...
I think the source dragons are older becuz firstbourne can’t be the first dragon someone has to give birth to her right.. so i think there where already source dragons who gave birth to firstbourne and she became the first elemental dragon but not the first dragon.. and who is the husband of firstbourne a source dragon? Who knows hope we will find that out soon.
you still run into the same issue if the source dragons are older than firstbourne
firstbourne is probably the first dragon created by the universe to represent creation then she gave birth to all the other dragons the source dragons being some of the first and they ended up being more powerful then her
Over lord v dragons?
I wonder where ultra dragon lands?
First realm
What about Ultra dragon, and all the elemental dragons?
The ultra dragon is dead lol, they can’t be included anymore, and as far as I know same with elemental drsgons.
Though I’d probably put the UD at level 2
@@ClassicStudStudios I know that it is dead I just wanted to know that in what segment would it have gone.
the ultra dragon is just a regular dragon
the elemental dragons arent dragons they are made out of the elements like the fire fang and lloyds bike from season 3 or the stone mech
... what?
your telling me riyu is stronger then first bourne
After time with some experience he would be
Well after thousands of years of experience
Is the dragon in the yellow bubble the father of all dragons since I’m pretty sure dragons can’t reproduce asexually and we haven’t been introduced to the father yet
Would the ultra-dragon be considered a matriarch/ patriarch dragon or would it be level 1?
@I3ricked he mentions it in the video
First
First pin ME