A Dive into 6 ARC | TPH36
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Today we take a dive into our experiences with the 6 ARC Cartridge, developed by Hornady, and detail the use cases as well as what we've learned from our time testing it.
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Love the pod guys! Wades opening just gigglin kills me. Keep bashing the 308s and boomers.
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I just learned about this cartridge.
It's a 6.5 (.264 caliber) Grendel necked down to a 6mm (.243 caliber).
It uses the same AR bolt as Grendel and 7.62X39, and magazines as well.
Neat!!!
But I'm already invested in Grendel, and with it's ballistics sweet spot, I'll stick with it.😁
But if I were just starting, I'd love one! I've always loved the .243 cartridge! I've put a LOT of deer meat in the freezer with my .243!
I prefer 6ARC over the Grendal because the ARC can comfortably use any bullet in the 6mm family from 55 grain to 115. From what I have seen, 6.5 Grendal really does well with 125 grain or lighter 6.5 bullets. There are a ton of really good 6.5 bullets, but a lot if the best ones land outside the Grendal's preferred weight range.
One more thing, the price of Hornady brass looks to be more expensive that just buying the bullets and hand loading once fired brass. The new brass looks to be damn near $1.00 a case.
I'm interested in 6arc cuz it seems like a happy medium for high bc AR cartridges. It has less energy, more speed than 6.5 Grendel but less speed, more energy than 224Valkyrie. Planning on getting a 22" bolt action AR upper for distance precision
Same barrel lengths and bullet weights should be the same between 6.5 Grendel and 6mm ARC, both of which have more energy on-target than .224 Valkyrie.
90gr TNT in my 6.5 Grendels
12” 2700fps
17.6” 2900fps
107gr (.461 G1 Litz) 6.5 Grendel
12” 2450fps
17.6” 2625fps
120gr 6.5 Grendel
12” 2400fps
17.6” 2500fps
123gr 6.5 Grendel (.468 - .527 G1 BC)
12” 2350fps
17.6” 2450fps
130gr 6.5 Grendel (.562 - .615 G1 BC)
12” 2300fps
17.6” 2400fps
Hornady 105gr (.530 G1 BC)18” data:
2550fps
With 6mm, you have a bit flatter trajectory and superior wind drift compared with 123gr 6.5mm, that eventually surpasses it for energy on-target, but the 130gr in 6.5mm will always have more energy and comparable or less wind drift, plus it hits the steel harder.
Ammo availability favors Grendel by a factor of 30x, which is huge.
I had a jp 6.5 grendel barrel that came with a bolt, I don't know what steel it was, but definitely different than a mil spec bolt.
Duramag is definitely the way to go. 3 Arcs in my group all run duramag with zero issues ever.
I have found a 12.5 with a folder using a 2-10 with a alpha tarac and a bt 762k can is the best setup for me. Still smashing steel out to 1000. I dont think you need to go long with this cartridge it peforms excellent 800 and in. Having it be 20 inches defeats the purpose of it being a intermediate cartridge. But good episode.
Meh , can be whatever you want it to be actually.
That said I’m still a fan of 14.5 above all probably.
Great podcast! First episode I’ve heard from y’all but definitely gonna stuck around. Building my first 6arc right now an LMT upper and mars-l lower and in between a 16” or 18” Compass Lake Barltein barrel, JP bolt, Geissele ssa-e trigger, and Vltor A5 buffer system
Compass Lake did my barrel. 22" from a Criterion blank. I started with an Aero bolt but now have a JP. I also use the A5 buffer.👍
Nice! We appreciate it!
@@rustynut1967 oh nice how do you like the barrel? I’ve heard the jp bolt is the best. How’s it shoot with the a5? I put it in most of my builds
@@Haydini69 Compass Lake is one of the top AR barrel builders, excellent work. You'll be very happy. I get consistent .75" groups, you should do even better with the Bartlein. On the 6 ARC forum I have a long post about what I went through with bolts. The A5 worked out great, but when I first put it together the spring from Vltor wasn't available, built in 2020 when nearly everything was hard to come by. The spingco spring I used originally was to stiff, I have since replaced it with a Vltor spring. Perfect!
@@rustynut1967 oh nice yeah I’ve heard great things about compass lake. Vltor springs are easier to come by now but I had a spare laying around anyways. What bolt would you suggest? I got a Jp and lmt carrier
The 6mmAR has been around since 2005 or 6, 243LBC and 6mm Predator for several years. Hornady shortened the case .029" to keep from infringing on other designs then released it as the ARC. They really didn't develop anything they just got it SAAMI approved.
Ok
Love the rifle you have on the table. Care to share a parts list? Looks like a Geissele gas block.? BCG? Buffer/spring combo? I really want to build a 14.5 arc. Any advice from someone with real experience would be awesome
Don't know who's more obsessed wade and tanidized or Fitzy and Tswizzle. Yall made me order a noveske 18in barrel. Hope for some vmax factory loads soon. Very ethical within MOA of the dome on anything in here in North FL or the south
I do love me some tan!
Adams arms piston for it. Rifle length gas. And buffer. No recoil. Clean chamber
I’m using 85gr Sierra spitters,flat base over 8208 xbr 2900< FPS 18 inch bolt gun,night hunting here in the west,hammer
So I am shooting the RESOLUTE, Mk4, 6mm ARC, 16.1" 1:7.5 twist. The 103-108 hornady rounds shoot great. I ordered some 75g vmax from hsm and they shoot horrible 5 inch groups at 100 yards. Any idea why? Or what my options are. I would love to shoot a lighter round but is it not going to be great with my barrel specs? I tried to order your rounds but they were out of stock. This is strictly a coyote gun.
Thank you for saving me money. Was about to buy some till I saw your comment!
Ours always sell out immediately.
No telling, maybe your rifle doesn’t like them, maybe they suck . Lol
I started to do my homework on 6 ARC in 2020 and didn't purchase anything until 2022...feeling like that paid off on everything but a scope. I was wondering if you giuys had any suggestions for someone like me wanting to shoot out to 1K meters or so, but am planning to hunt with this setup???
I have a 3.5-10X on it now but that seems to be only working out to 500-600 then it's just not cutting it for me beyond. I would rather save up for a while and get good, high-quality glass, but not sure where to start as in which brands are the best bang for the buck. Thanks in advance!
We answer this question in depth on the podcast going up next week, going up August 30th.
What happened to the rabbits? Anything left?
Plague
I’m buying a howa barreled action an am giving it to my son in 6 arc
I went as low as it goes on my AR bolt for 6 ARC. I got an upper with BCG for 100$ from BCA. I really wanted a side charger since I planned to have a big scope on top. So far so good, shoots sub moa with an EABCO barrel and factory ammo
How much for the barrel?
@@tedarcher9120 around 250 I think
@@mckimmym not bad
What kinda fur damage on coyotes? I understand the heavier bullets have a lot but do you run any lite bullets that are fur friendly?
Mixed results on the lighter pills. Mostly good results out of 65’s.
TPH,s “The Rally”
My 16" Pro2A tactical 1:7.5 hates 105 black. 4moa. I mag dumped it into the burm. 🤣 103 with LeverEvelution is nice. None of my reloads did worse than the blacks.
What buffer system are you using ?
I use a fire forming load of 28.5gr of Leverevolution with a 100gr hornady interlock seated to he middle of the cannule with Wolf SRP. Mine is grouping just under 1moa. This is zero load development other than a pressure work up. Haven't used it on any critters yet but it smacks the hell out of steel plates. The 100gr interlock is cheap and plentiful.
How does a 14.5 6ARC compare to the grendel in the same barrel length in terms of game and distance? And would what are your thoughts on a 14.5 6.5 Creedmoor? Thanks!
I don’t recommend any creeds under 18” yes they will do well, but better cartridges for shorter barrels.
I’d prefer arc over Grendel , when you consider bc to velocity.
@Texas Predator Hunting W.D.C I've heard you mention you like the 14.5 a few times. Is this mainly in an AR? Have you ran one in a bolt gun?
@@J.Co89 not yet. My 6 arc bolt rigs go down to 16” . Currently
"TPH time outs" or
TPH tactical time outs..15min podcas
Flat base vs boat tails
Powder burn rates for barrel length
We will put it on the list.
What do you think about a 18 inch 6 arc for black tail
Would work famously.
Wade’s World
TPH short stands. Podcasts are long enough for the drive to work. Wife would call the short ones TPH Shitbreaks since all she hears is load data and velocities coming from the bathroom 😂
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Any information on a bolt action 6mm ARC? Im looking for the best length barrel and twist rate for the factory loads (103,105,108 until i start to reload). Is 1:7.5 twist still good in a 22"?
I’d like to know the same thing
We answer this question in depth on the podcast, E73 going up next week, going up August 30th. Thanks for asking it!
@@tphpodcast thank you for answering it
Who would you recommend makes the best overall 6arc ar. Cost reliability accuracy
We answer this question in depth on the podcast, E73 going up next week, going up August 30th. Thanks for asking it!
whats the Best 6Arc Rifle under 3gs also how many shots can 6 arc can fire without massive problems come up?
Can you please give me a hint on a stable powder for a 16 inch proof barrel? You mentioned varget on a longer barrel and hinted at a CFE 223 and lever evolution on the shorter barrels but these aren’t temperature stable.
Grab up a powder burn rate chart and look at powders slightly fast burning than varget .
Benchmark?
I've had luck with CFE223 and Levr in the 28-30 grain range.
It really does seem that lever is about the best bet.
A lot of people have tried the faster powders and for lighter, sub 90gr pills, it's ok at best.
Above that you pressure out pretty quickly.
Thoughts on satern barrels ?
We haven’t tested any of those currently.
Timney triggers like to run very clean, when dirty they fall off.
Wade’s Rabbit hole. Or maybe Wade’s Weekly Wabbit Hole.
Scratching that intellectual itch with my trigger finger. Nom nom nom
Yoting Yak
So this guy has an ammo company? What is it?
Ally Munitions
Bing
Tex Talk
223/5.56 in a AR is basically equal to a 6 mm Arc except for 80 grain and heavier. If you want to hunt deer with a 223 you can buy some barnes all copper and be extremely effective. I have personally shot many deer with just standard cup and core bullets mostly 60 grain soft point. The All copper are better they just cost a lot. When you look at 6 mm/ 223 the velocities with the same bullets out of that are all within a hundred feet per second of a 6 mm Arc. The only advantage 6mm ARC has over 6mm/223 or a 223 is if you want to shoot bullets over 90 grains in weight, if that's even an advantage in the real world..
There's more to it than that, it has higher velocities and more energy and is reported by many to be more accurate. The larger bullets are also higher in BC's which helps greatly with drop and wind resistance at distance.
@@marksmith4627 6 mm ARC might have an advantage past 800 to 1,000 yd. Who in the hell is going to hunt deer with a AR-15 at 1000 yards? I can tell you right now I have shot 4 deer with 105 grain Burger boat tail hollow point and lost two big 10 point bucks shooting them out of a 243 win around 3100 fps. Which smokes any thing a 6mm ARC does with a 6mm bullet. My experience shooting target style bullets is that I'm not going to do it anymore, for hunting. I have actually shot deer with 223 using hunting not Target not varmint bullets, and it works fine and I have not lost any deer with 223. All this BS everyone keeps spewing out about certain cartridges being more accurate than others is in reality based in a religious belief not in fact. All this stuff about pressure curve, and there is a magic way of burning powder with a short fat case is meaningless garbage. The pressure curve doesn't matter because it happens when the bullet is confined, held, and restricted, in the barrel. 60,000 PSI is the same no matter what cartridge case produces it. To say otherwise it's asinine religious belief nonsense. All bullets get Re-swaged into a different bullet as part of the process of going through the barrel. Bullets do not have the ability to tell whether the case as a 30° shoulder and whether it is shorter than another case and they don't have the ability to do something different because of a pressure curve which happens when it's confined by the barrel. Barrel vibration does effect where a bullet goes when it exits the muzzle. There is a significant list of things that change barrel vibration. None of them are magic religious beliefs in a special cartridge, said to be more accurate.
@@marksmith4627 one more thing, ballistic coefficient is not the always the winner. If you shoot a lower ballistic coefficient bullet fast enough it can easily outperform A higher ballistic coefficient bullet in windrift and and drop. And is easily achievable with many cartridges out 1000 yards.
Ton of 6 arc in Alabama but know guns
5-25x50 be bad looking on that rifle. Vudu
Timney is trash. CMC is actually far superior. Triggertech diamonds are wicked too. Geissele for a 2-stage but personally I think a cmc single stage is my favorite because there is no take up or over travel
I have a few cmc triggers, and for the price, it's hard to beat them. I also own a handful of geisseles, but you pay over double for them. You can find cmc on sale for $99 a lot and they work great.
WTF?
ruger should do the sfar bolt/receiver geometry in 6 arc
Interesting, though moving up to 6GT in that platform would be even better. 200-300fps gains over the 6ARC and 6GT wouldn't beat the SFAR apart like the 308 does
I hope 6 arc gets pressure tested in the CMMG PowerBolt/Mk47 platform. I would assume that you could safely get higher pressures, but of course you would need a few expendable rifles to figure that out.
Great episode and as always great information. I’ll be picking up a 16” bolt 6 ARC shortly.
Have a 6 ARC 20" gas gun about 3 years now. Favorite gun to shoot. I predicted back then that it would be a top 10 selling rifle cartridge. AR15 gas guns being the number one most popular platform and the 6 ARC being the most efficient best caliber in that platform seems like a no brainer to me. As long as it is supported.
Built a 20 inch Brownells 6 Arc heavy barrel by Faxon and their bolt and carrier group in Aero aluminum. Seekins precision adjustable block. It shoots nice. Very happy
I’m telling you all. If you shoot suppressed, don’t sleep on the Odin Works bbl. It has a wonky +2 port but it’s beneficial if you shoot suppressed. I have several loads from 95 vld to 108eldm & 108 bergers that shoot in the .3’s. It’s a great budget option. However, with Starline Grendel brass, when reloading for any bullet heavier that 105, I keep getting that damn belted magnum bulge at the case web.
I encountered the belting issue early on. The pressure is too high still when the bolt unlocks and starts extraction. The brass is designed for the bolt gun pressures. You can not rely on the traditional pressure sign method when working up loads. Back your charges down 1-1.5grs and the belting should stop, at least it did for me. Warning I have discovered Hornady's load data for the 6ARC to be very hot. With several powders I either couldn't even fit their charge weight in the case or encountered pressure signs well before their max charges
You have to be careful with some barrel makers who ride the edge in terms of case support with the feeding cone cut into the breech. Also control what types of powders you use to keep port pressure down. Faster-burning stick powders tend to eliminate the high port pressure and early unlocking. I also use Bootleg adjustable gas carriers shooting suppressed to tame the action nicely in 6.5 Grendel. I have been shooting 12” Grendel suppressed since 2018 without issue. It’s my favorite stick to reach for.
Loved the podcast. I moved to the 6 ARC in an Aero Precision M4E1, (assembled Aero upper) for a general purpose/CQB rifle and I couldn't agree more with your information. I will not be trying to make the cartridge anything it is not. I'm going to use the same powder Hornady uses (for the gas gun) and use the factory ammo as a control. I understand how to avoid bolt thrust issues. I'm getting wonderful groups and making good hits from the muzzle ouy to 600 yards. I plan on a long relationship with this rifle/barrel.
I've been shooting and reloading 6MM for 4 decades in the 6MM Remington so I have a hyper velocity 6MM and I don't need to ruin a fine rifle being an idiot.
Nice! Thanks for watching.
What powder does Hornady use? It's not Lever like a lot of people think. I've taken factory rounds apart, inspected and weighed the powder. Lever does not duplicate the factory powder even though it looks the same.
@@rustynut1967 Does not duplicate the weight? what does it not duplicate? Was the load compressed? Very early on the discussion was that LeverEvolution was used but I bet not now as a recent video by Hornady suggested that it was a tiny bit faster than LeverEvolution. As far as what Hornady has posted LeverEvolution is the clear choice.
@@davidmilisock5200 The factory loads are compressed. The powder looks like lever but I don't think it possibly could be. I would have to dig for my notes, it was at least 30gr, but I think even more. I do remember thinking if I loaded as much powder as they did using Lever there would be a good chance it would damage my rifle. I also took the factory powder and loaded a few rounds using the same charge weight when using Lever and the velocity was way below the same charge as Lever. A few people with more experience with reloaded than me think it is a blend of powder not available off the shelf used in the factory ammo.
I mostly use Lever (28.7gr) and getting around 2680fps shooting 105's and good brass life in a 22" barrel. Varget is a little more accurate but a tad slower velocity.
I just looked at my notes. 108 ELD-M factory ammo was 30.3gr of powder.
You might be able to kill an elk with a 22 lr, yet it would take him five days to de and suffer… not sure I would run an elk with a 6arc due to most elk shots are 200 -400+yrds shots..
What a guy that sells ammo not wanting to give away his load data?! Damn people are dumb,do the work or pay whoever did
Look into 6mm max, brand new cartridge
Petty much splitting hairs. Looks like the 6 ARC excels past the 6 Max with heavier bullets at long range.
You can get a 6ppc bolt head to convert a savage 110 from pacific tool and gauge. Pretty quick turn around. Sharp shooter supply also sells them, but I order mine months ago and haven’t heard back from them
I think the 6 mm has the most bullet selection from all the different brands there’s got to be 3 to 6 different weights for varmint four different weights for precision and another 3 to 4 different weights for not to mention from all the different manufacturers 6 mm is king when it comes to bowl with selection This, of course, if you roll your own
I've had a 6arc for about a year now and I absolutely love this capable little cartridge I just wish there was a bigger ammo selection of various weights
I just got a 6arc. Are the 3 different cartridges relatively versatile? If I could purchase a plethora of ammo all at once I would just get a handful of each, but for now I’m gonna have to purchase a little here and a little there so I’m just wondering which cartridge would be the go to
@@stephenbyrne3778 well that all depends on what you want to do with it. The 103gr ELD-X is for hunting while the other 2 are more for target/long range shooting. I've never used the ELD-X because they can be kind of hard to find, but I imagine it will still reach out pretty well depending on barrel length
If you're willing to invest in a set of reloading equipment, there's a MASSIVE selection of projectile weights available. The 6mm/.243 caliber is pretty ubiquitous.
Once I finish my move to Oklahoma and get settled in, I'm planning on turning loose of several of my rifles - including my LR308, and replacing all of them with an 18" 6mm ARC.
I've planned on running 75 grain hollow points, and 95 grain ELD-X primarily.
Some time down the road, id like to get a lathe and mill my own projectiles. Even in .224.
Imagine an 80 grain copper slug in 6mm with a tungsten core penetrator moving at 2800+ fps 😮
For reference, 8208 XBR from IMR in 6mm ARC will move a 70 grain pill at a blistering 3300 fps at max pressure.
If you had a custom barrel turned in 26-28" with a rifle +2 gas system, there's no reason you couldn't move the 95 gr ELDs in a 1-7.75 twist at close to or over 3k fps in a gas gun.
If it's well put together, it'd make a very easy shooting, precision gas gun. Especially with the free-floating handguard. You'd have little or no issues with muzzle flash at that barrel length, either. So running a brake would actually make sense.
Also, fun fact... the Duramag 7.62x39 30 round mags will feed both 6ARC and 6.5 Grendels reliably.
Just ordered an 18" ballistic advantage upper. I can't wait to get it and start breaking it in.
Nice! Let us know how it goes.
Those are nice barrels. I run the 20" on mine. I have gotten fantastic results from 87gr V MAX and VihtaVouri N135. Devestating on coyotes and fun on prairie dogs.
@@unclebob540i3 Is that a cartridge you've made? I'm a bit intimidated by reloading. Haven't been able to find anything but the Hornady 103gr, 105gr, and 108gr.
@@JenkinsStevenDThat’s all that’s available for factory ammo
Yeah, at 30 guns my wife was like I don't care, buy what you want.
At 60 she was like I'm being supportive and don't mind it.
At 100 she was like, how are you ever going to shoot all of those?
At 140 she was like, are you going to open a shop?
180, she finally realized it was a huge part of my life.
Great video i cant wait to here more about this round. Now I've got a question about primers. Hornady says small rifle and Hogdgons says small rifle mag primers does it really matter which one u use
We’ve ran both , with no issues. We will deep dive the difference over the summer. I primarily run srp magnums though.
Look at the joules of energy each primer provides. Variation is minimal, but research for yourself. I am no precision rifle person, so I may be more accepting.
Good video! Been kickin around with doing a 14.5" 6 ARC AR. This was a great and well rounded overview. How about "Texas Tater Talks"
Just had a 6 arc built, have not got it in my hands yet looking forward to it.. I am so excited.. love to program can’t wait to hear more about your findings.. thank you for the time you spend and the information you do share
Thanks for watching.
Is there a chance they’ll make a two piece case that can push crazy pressures like the 6.8 fury round?
That'll put way too much pressure on your bolt lugs.
Those pressures, even in the 6.8 fury, will tear even the most well built rifles to shreds over time.
Especially the throat of your barrel.
No the Grendel bolts are already too weak to hold up, pushing the pressure to 80K would break them on the first shot.
Yep....6.5 Grendel fan man here! but looking to use up of my .243 bullets with a 6 ARC. I have 500 ct 85g smk, 300 ct 90g Barns, 300 85g Barns and a few 100's of 100g bullets. So, hoping to get a good shooter with an ARC. Looking at CMMG 16" rifle gas, any thought on this barrel?
Haven’t tested that one yet.
Great discussion, I’m going to spin up a 6 arc barrel for my origin action. I also think I’m going to get a geissele when they become available.
I love my Atheris upper it shoots
I recently bought a 18” Wilson combat upper in 6arc, what do you recommend for a coyote load, or what’s your favorite coyote load? It’s a 1x7.5 twist ant I shoot suppressed
For 18” I load 65 gr vmax
Have you done any testing with 22" AR platform with 95gr Bergers ?
20” is the longest we’ve tested 95 gr bergers in , worked very well.
Was going to ask the same question. Built my daughter a 21" Odin and I am waiting on my 22" X-Caliber to come in and have 1000 95gr Berger Classics waiting. I have a boat load of AR Comp Hopefully it will do well in both! Thanks for the coverage on this. What you guys do is Awesome.
I was always an opportunistic predator hunter. I have since bought 2 E callers so we can start trying our luck. Thanks for all the great information.
@@SgtDvldawg we appreciate it .
@@SgtDvldawg AR-Comp did not do well in my 22" barrel with 105gr. You will probably get pressure signs at lower velocities and problems with cycling the bolt. Other people have not had good results either. Leverevolution cci 41 primers works good. Varget cci 450 primers work great for small groups but lower velocities.
@rustynut1967 Thank you Brother. I appreciate that info.I have plenty 41's and 450's. I only have 2lbs of LVR and 2 of Varget. May need to get more LVR. I was hoping for more temp stable living in the 4 stupid weather/season PA. I will see what I can come up with. Again I appreciate you!
In the works of my first 6ARC upper build, Ive ordered the proof 18" carbon pipe.. but now hearing from others owners its junk for handloading, & only optimized for the 3 heavier factory loads.. any truth to this? 😮
Not in my experience.
Who's gonna make high cap mags
Duramag and geissile
1:20:23 bolt face diameter is .441 and for semi autos is type 2
Wades digressions!!
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That’s a good one!
Tell me about it! I had to skip the interview. Everytime I was about to recieve pertinent info, the SOB would sidetrack me into blah blah blah!
What’s y’all’s opinion on a CMMMG Resolute in a 6 Arc or would I be better off building one?
Dong have one even still, so still don’t have any.
Hornady also states 300,000 bullet rpm is the line in the sand for jacket spinning off the lead core.
My take on the 6mm ARC (Which I just ordered a 12.5" barrel for) is that it is a do all style cartridge, entirely dependent on your needs. Similar to setting up your AR in 223/5.56. If you want a compact SBR in 6mm ARC, yes, it will lose some velocity, but it's still going to shoot a 100+gr load as fast as any heavy 223 load out of the same barrel length, and it's going to have similar recoil, and much better ballistics. If you want a rifle focused more on the mid to long range, same thing, set it up that way and it will out perform similar setup AR's in 223/556, as well other calibers (particularly at longer range) such as 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, exc exc.
Will i be ok if i pick up the 6 arc in a AR platform with a 16” barrel? I am wanting to shoot within 400 yards and in
@@randybarajas313 for sure.
What barrel did you get? I have been looking to build me a 12.5 but faxon the only ones I can find.. any better quality barrels out there
@@trentenanteau2229 Mos-Tek. Great website and customer service. Custom made. Took about 9 weeks to get.
@@trentenanteau2229check out X-Caliber. They'll turn you a custom barrel, and they're pretty high quality.
Still doing initial testing on my Frankenstein, it shares a lower with a 223wylde. They both shoot really good. You touched on psi of AR vs BA, I think it's possible to make an AR barrel capable of Bolt gun pressures. Do you know of a barrel fabricator that is working on a project like that? I enjoy your show. Thank you.
It’s not a barrel issue, it’s the ar platform it self I’d imagine. All the moving parts. Bcg etc.
Not a barrel issue. It’s an internal components issue and the back pressure created in a gas gun. You can load to bolt pressures just don’t expect your rifle to last.
Something I haven't caught … I’m building an 18” 6mm arc … rifle gas system … suppressed … do you recommend direct or piston driven
I just bought a 20” barrel because it was the cheapest way I could see getting into some longer range shooting
Love the geo pattern mag he has
I much prefer my skeletonized timney's to my geissele and other's . The break is so smooth but that reset ... it's just magnificent .
Tikka is troublesome for 6 ARC or the Grendel because they have no compatible bolt face calibers that I can find
I thought for sure that you were going to say that 2023 was going to be "The year of the Arc". lol
Have you guys seen any noticeable difference between a 22" and 20" 6ARC with the 105-112grn stuff? All things being equal.
We will cover that in a later podcast.
@@txpredatorhunting. I just ordered a 20” proof and have instant remorse. We need the long barrel podcast to talk me off the ledge.
We answer this question in depth on the podcast, E73 going up next week, going up August 30th. Thanks for asking it!
@dustinmurray6342 I put a 22" douglas on mine trust me, there is nothing to regret! Dang thing is a laser beam, a little under 30minutes of drop at 1000
Good thanks for making me build another AR lol
6 arc looks like a great hunting/shooting platform. Lots of good attributes for whacking critters. Thanks for the tech insights.
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I agree looks like a great deer getter. Most deer are taken within 300 yards. Carrying a 7 to 8 lb AR vs dads or grandpas 10 to 12 pound rifle is a NO brainer.
What about the buffer system for 6arc? I am planning on using the VLTOR A5 buffer system and am not sure on which buffer weight spring combination would be better for the 6arc. Any suggestions?
We’ve dove into that in newer pods and vids, go check them out.
Podcast name could be "Short Action"
On the fence 6.5 Grendel or 6 arc ? I guess there's not much difference out to 400 yards or so . The application is night ops coyote catching primarily , AR platform.
I’d want the arc myslef.
108s for the win
I'm thinking of ordering a 22 inch Shaw upper for my build
We need a 22” 6 Arc Predator 😊🤙🏻🇺🇸
Why is 22 in strictly for varmints in his case?
Digression Sessions with Wade
The barns lrx for the larger game in the 6arc
The green and brown go together like lamb and tuna fish.
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“Type I” and “Type II” are misnomers. The 6.5 Grendel bolt is an evolution of the .50 Beowulf bolt, which was based on lessons learned by Colt on the 7.62x39 AR-15 program. Alexander Arms did lots of research on getting 7.62x39 case heads to work inside the AR-15 action, and the biggest issue with that case is the rim dimensions. This drives how much extractor lip you need. That pushed the bolt face depth back .011” to allow for the use of a thicker lipped extractor that won’t fold over like after-market 7.62x39 bolt extractors do. Years after AA introduced the 6.5 Grendel, after-market companies who didn’t do any real analysis figured they could use .125” bolt face depth no problem.
One particular company, BHW, used their own internal naming convention to distinguish between their .125” face depth 7.62x39 bolts, and their Grendel bolts with .136” face depths. They called their .125” 7.62x39 bolts “Type I” and their .136” Grendel bolts “Type II”. Unfortunately, this naming approach caught-on in the industry, even though real Grendel bolts existed from the start with .136” face depth. There are also differences in extractor pin and shelf locations, bolt tail length to account for the face depth, and radii on the lugs and face to inner wall in the face to add material and strength to the lug roots. Material selection, processes, and heat-treating are also important and should follow the Colt Canada/KAC/AA methods, not the TDP for M16/M4 bolts with HPT and MPI.
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