Abrams' & Merkava's Trophy VS T-14's Afghanit | Active Protection
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2018
- The US has recently started procurement of Trophy systems for their M1A2 Abrams while Russia is procuring T-14 Aramta Tanks equipped with Afghanit systems. What are the strengths and weakness of each system and how do they stack up?
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A good review. Seems non biased, which is rare anymore.
and a military review channel not yet again randomly put through artificial voice software (?!)
An unbiased, well detailed yet short video about a generally forgotten topic. Really gotta appreciate that
One Major error identified. the Trophy equipped Merkava Mk IV, automatically turns its turret to face the incoming ATGM upon detecting the threat in order to guarantee that in the event of intercept failure, the vehicle will be facing with the thickest part of its armor towards the missile, which is the front arc. it is not because the trophy cannot defend the vehicle 360°.
Not really either, the system detects where the missile is fired from, it turns the turret towards that location and fires, hopefully killing the crew and severing the communication between the missile and the launcher
Good info. Particularly interesting because the US is mounting the Trophy system on the M1.
Will that be in the M1A3 or is it just an upgrade we can give to the M1A2?
@@legogenius1667 M1A2C SEPv3.
@@valenrn8657 its got reactive explosive armor and trophy active protection system .
…and it actually exists. 🙄
This is THE most informative video on these two I've seen yet and I've seen so many.
Gave you a sub for it
The Trophy system is constantly being upgraded. I think a new variant has recently been released.
Please keep this channel going I will do everything I can to spread the awesomeness
I still think Condom is better protection then Plan B.
PS i hate condoms
Nah, man- I've installed Trophy on my D and never had an issue.
its like wearing a raincoat in the shower...
Best protection would be to not have se.. a battle
I fucking hate condoms too. It's like getting in to place loading an HEAT on you Carl Gustaf only it's not a real HEAT but a 7.62 simulation round and you forgot to turn the grenade on fire so it only say poff, and you must take it out put in a new primer, turn it on fire and load it again.😝And the girl is just like. Yeah, are you ready yet?😂😂
@@erikkaareson6493 😂😂😂
Ahh. See this makes sense, as for a while now in places like Afghanistan, the U.S has been involved in wars where chemical rounds and rpg’s were mostly used, rarely encountering enemy armor capable of solid shot projectiles.
On the other hand, Russia has seen more conflict in past years where enemy armor with solid projectile rounds is not so uncommon, Ukraine for example. And their tanks would face professional militaries, not just ‘easy to be flanked by’ guerrilla forces, thus the emphasis on protecting the front.
does seem strange though that Russia wouldnt develop it to cover top down kills considering NATO's love of top down munitions. considering how smart they are getting it really wouldnt suprise me if these munitions now predict the tasrgets position from the last lock. Meaning it still hits the tank.
Currently Russia and the United states are not in an arms race so that's why we are not developing Russian equivalent weapons because we don't need to rightnow
@@Ravasempai Top down missile are defended with the automatic smoke launcher. If the missile is set to detonate 1 meter above and 0,5 after the place where the targeting laser is hitting the smoke vove that point of detonation away.
Angel Marin the smoke has to be manually activated and is a generator not a launcher so unless the commander sees the round incoming top attack would hit the radar is positioned too low to detect it
@@getstuffed2391 Smoke granade launchers are standard equipment.
i was looking to undestand how APS works and luckily the first video was yours. short and informative, thumbs up!
This was actually actual useful!
Cheers mate!
I love the SFXs that you've chosen, here.
Essentially,
*Afghanit:* It is better optimized for open/tank-tank warfare against a conventional/peer adversary since it has robust soft-kill system and the hard-kill system can defeat much denser sabot rounds with incoming multiple fires. The fact that it is purposely built to the front of the turret with 180 deg. arc really emphasizes that it is designed to protect against tank rounds.
*Trophy:* It is designed to defeat ATGMs and RPGs and better optimized for a guerrilla style warfare where any infantry can hide and flank the tank from any direction. The 360 deg. protection including high elevation means that even top-attack missiles like the JAVELIN can be intercepted. Not surprising given the kind of enemies the Israeli military is facing.
This is unbelievably well made! Liked subscribed
Just found your channel and it’s insanely interesting. Good job, i’ve subbed.
Superb animations!
I subscribed only because it is one of the few non biased youtube channels about military technology that exists
very nice and interesting video and topic!| thanks man :)
I see it like this - Trophy is the only system that has been fielded and has seen real combat multiple times while proving to be effective. The rest are just prototypes until they are also fielded.
Great Video!
So I kinda understand why US chose Trophy as their APS system on M1A2 SEPv3. Trophy exceed on Asymmetry warfare in urban environment that US expect to see in the future conflict more than normal symmetry warfare again other country.
While Russia design their APS more on symmetry warfare like Tank on Tank battle.
Thanks
I think that the largest contributor to the US choosing Trophy is that it is the most mature APS out there.
Only problem with your video for me is the sound , I think it should a bit louder just a bit.
I think that is one of the main reason too.
All of the sounds? (Effects, music narration)
Yes , Overall sound should louder just a bit.
I agree, we're still fairly new at this though but always appreciate the feedback.
Great video! Plz make some more.
Nice to see something like this, great job dudes 👌😁..
Unbiased with clear explanation, thats quality
Thank you for your wonderful video production level
Very very good to the point and comprehensive video. Well deserved like and subscribe from me!
dont forget that the IDF can also install the Iron FIst APS to complement Trophy, which uses a twin barrel grenade launcher turret that can eliminate threats and can also hamper SABOT rounds.
No, those systems do not complement one another, they are direct competitors. Trophy was selected over Iron First by the IDF for their tanks.
Damn that would have been awesome
@black hole How is that relevant to what I said?
@@lepe
if needed, or a different specific threat is prioritized, the systems can be swapped or even combined.
they usually dont as there is simply no need...
if there is a war with an enemy that uses SABOT rounds often, Iron Fist can be used instead, or combined with.
also, Trophy is being upgraded to deal with SABOT rounds too.
@@cobrazax Can you show me any sources that reference swapping or combining these two systems?
well now at Ukraine we can see how well the Russian system is in action. while we saw for numerous times how well the trophy system works for the IDF in the last decade or so...
Очень классное видео! Ты молодец!
You got a sub great vid ,
So sad that this channel is inactive. You had one of the best military explainer videos out there.
thanks for video..it's nice..
Remark about the merkava iv. The non trophy carrying variant survivability. As mainly was seen in 2006 war vs hizballah.
There have been roughly 500 to 1000 anti tank launch attempts vs all the Israeli tanks.at least half at a very close range , urban scenario. Most were evaded or hit in a way they didn't disable the tanks.
We are talking about tanks that kept on fighting after being hit by Kornetts several times guys. In my book, that is impressive as it can be given we can see what happens to most tanks getting hit by even a lesser AT rocket in an urban scenario where the shooter is slightly above your tank or behind it.
You can all find the entire merkava hit loss ratio and see just how many rockets actually penetrated enough to damage the tanks.
Most tanks were up and running in less than a day, and back in the fight. And out of the ones that got hit, mk iv variants barely suffered any . (Not to mention we count the first mk iv that did total loss,due to an idiot brigade commander sending a tank on its own to a paved enemy ,mined to the teeth road).
As for crews. You can also find the stats. Most injured, suffered only minor hits and were back in the fight with their tanks.
That is, and always was, the true strength of the merkava tanks. Modularity like a Lego cube so you can basically refit the entire tank as if it was a plane toy model. And crew survivability on top of everything. Cause metal can be replaced. Men, cannot.
All of the , is Not even taking into account the abysmal way the entire ground forces were used in that conflict (what happens when the unthinkable happens and your chief of staff is someone that came from the air force fighter pilot ranks. Ie a complete lamen in understanding ground battle plans, strategies and terrain tactics for a 2d mountain forest dense terrain).
In 2014, there was a much more dangerous tight urban scenario for the merkava's by comparison... think chechnia on steroids. Mines, rigged roads houses and tunnels , on top of AT crews all over the place.
And yet. The only tank crews that died, were hit while they were outside of their tanks in the rear.
As far as I know not a single tank was hit, and there have been at least 10 confirmed Kornetts interceptions that were recorded as being neutralized by the trophy system.
As for combat effectiveness in an urban scenario. The mk iv were responsible for over 60% confirmed enemy kills, and were responsible to locate and destroy any rigged houses , which there were a lot of.
A special light casing was used for the latter as even a small nudge so to speak would activate these rigged houses.
Thus the mk saved a huge number of infantry soldiers as well.
Why did I say all that? Because tech is good only on paper. In the end it's the field of battle that proves your machines effectiveness on top of every other stat or figure there is on the drawing boards.
the russian active protection system is awesome, but only the front of the vehicle and half of each side of the vehicle are protected, still it can defeat kinetic energy rounds which is impressive.
The active protection of the Russian tanks were copied by them from Israel. An Israeli tank were left behind while the Lebanon war and was taken to Russia. Israel does not use it anymore. Only Trophy.
@@simko8665 back then during 2006 Israel didn't have any active protection system mounted on their tanks, so why do you think that russia has copied it from Israel ?
@@simko8665 The guy above already toasted that claim of yours, but the system you are referring to was just a more primitive analogue of the trophy system, which came to replace it.
nice channel i love it
Ok this is very brief yet detailed. You have my subscription.
I'd rather combine the two systems.
Very cool!
super explanation
When it comes to tank defense , this 2 nations leads the competition.
A lot more. Sweden and germany are also up there.
It hasn't been deployed in combat - though neither has the Russian Afghanit system - but it seems like the ADS developed by Rheinmetall, is superior to pretty much anything else out there, or in current development. Leave it to the Germans to come in with the final solution
Funny, it was actually Germany who invented the first Reacvtive armor and APS in the 1960's
Actually Israel invented the trophy
And the soviets developed the Drozd 1 or whatever its now called
Excellent And Unbiased . But T-14 Has Soft Kill Jammers/EW Systems Onboard For Usage Against Radar-Guided Missiles Like Hellfire . It Also Has A System To Break Laser Locks ( Independent From The Smoke Grenades )
Wasn't the Hellfire IR guided?
baginatora I Think So . But When You Say AH-64D Apache Is The Only Attack Helicopter Capable Of Firing Radar-Guided ATGMs , And Since I've Never Seen Any Other ATGMs On It (!) I Think Maybe The New Variants Are Radar-Guided . But I've Always Seen Hellfires With IR-Optics I Don't Know Doesn't Make Sense !
@@sovietunion8158 Yeah lol they're pretty confusing. Basically the AGM-114L model is radar guided and the rest are laser as far as I can tell
JTS225 Thanks For Your Help !
@@baginatora no the hellfire is laser guided
you can turn the laser off wait for 20 secs just before the missile reaches the target area and actived the laser again the missile will still hit
Thank you dude for this great video! I have found that very often videos on similar topics as this video are usually (very heavily?) biased in either the American or failing that, Western direction. A video such as this, with a fair assessment, honest comparison and unbiased weighing of both the positives *and* negatives of all devices and/or systems under scrutiny is a very refreshing change of pace. I mean no offence to any of my fellow Americans here, but the number of military channels on RUclips simply pumping out one after the other of the video equivalent of the "MURICA F* YEAH" song is too damn high in my opinion. Not to shit on the song though, that shit is straight fire, but these days one has to be very vigilant in distinguishing between that which basically boils down to military propaganda, and that which is true, valid and useful information.
That being said, thanks for making this video bro! Many kudos for you!!! 🤓👍👍👍👍
Nice info. more details telling.
Excellent video. however it was my understanding that Afghanit hard kill worked by launching a munition which would then detonate in proximity to the incoming threat, either destroying incoming explosive rounds or making the APFSDS tilt or break as result of the shockwave. Another aspect that cuold be taken into consideration is that Trophy works while the tank is on the move while in the Afghanit case the hard kill solution would be more affected because the launchers seemingly cant compensate the Armata´s oscillations while traversing rough terrain.
Yeah no shit. Every interceptor missile is proximity
Very well explained, great work! Could you please do a top 10 or top 5 Active Protection System / Active Defense System around the world, explaining with animation, how each APS/ADS works and pros & cons of each of them please. Thanks in advance, keep up the good work.
Systems have pros and cons, and there is really no way to decide which of the top tier systems is the best, as that is subjective and dependent on the customer(army). Eg. Trophy is better for the Israelis but Afghanit is better for Russia - there is no way to objectively state which is better. So I tend avoid such videos.
@@MilitaryEnthusiastExplains I understand but at least you can do animated video showing different types of APS systems available around the world and how they work. I hope that is not too much trouble!
@@blue280485 he showed the only 2 made to date only m1 Abrams merkava and armada use them
@@joshualance6005 What the heck no...there are over 20 hardkill systems around the world...many tanks use them already...
@@blue280485 If you are still interested, here's a website that shows and also tries to explain most Hardkill APS systems around the world: below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com/2017/01/hardkill-aps-overview.html
How you camper a battle proven system.. mounted on the best battle proven tank in the world.. to a Russian system that works on rumors thet nobody seen it actually works.. non mention the "Armata" tank never seen and mass production and maby handful of the even expected..go do your homework again before you makes a video!
cool vid, but just a few notes: some of the text that showed up was gone before i could even get to reading it, and sometimes your voice seemed to be recorded at my different levels and had to go back raise volume. but very comprehensive presentation, exactly what i needed, thank you good sir!
I don't see any bias here... Wow. You earned yourself a subscriber my man.
Very nice commentary and graphics
I struggled to hear the voice though
just one thing: the reload of the trophy system is fast af. there is real life footage of a merkava countering 2 rockets from the same angle in less than 2 seconds
Do you have a link to it?
@@MilitaryEnthusiastExplains m.ruclips.net/video/y7VPzLw3FE4/видео.html.
you know what I just noticed? thats not 2 rockets, its the same rocket, just edited so we see it twice in a row lol. thought it were 2 rockets at first ^^
@@golfball_diver lol It would certainly be hard to get 1 of 2 missiles to hit before the reload is completed. All of the modern APSs are quite robust though, so anything really that can defeat them is a viable counter.
@@golfball_diver
thats RPG-29 getting intercepted
reload is fast but if needed i guess it can be upgraded to have 2 ready interceptors per side.
till now, the regular system worked perfectly
Good video and explanation. The two systems are meant for different engagement scenarios as the Trophy is better in an Urban warfare environment and Afghanit is open field environment where its more tank on tank..
Exactly, Abrams is more an offensive tank intended to work on the enemy's territory
While T14's function is to intercept enemy groups in a frontal combat on the vast Russian fields
Great channel....need to tweak your video volume a little higher to improve
Trophy system doesn't just hit the incoming missile, it also directs the gunner to the source of danger.
And besides, the maerkava has active substance in its smoke grenades which detonates missiles and heat charges.
Perhaps, bullets cant be indentified by Trophy system .
@@nizamazhar4000
Why would a tank crew worry about bullets?
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Good video and nice animation but please increase your recording volume a bit. It's much lower than YT average which forces viewers to fiddle with their volume.
Never heard someone so sleepy
I wonder if those active protection systems can destroy a high velocity rail gun dart, or maybe some extremely powerful laser that can melt barrels, tracks, or at least optics.
Lasers, and rail guns are the future.
They will be ofcourse next generation active protection system
The Trophy mk2 will include the iron fist system, Then the system will have a proven solution against all kind of threats (including kinetic ammunition).
Very excited to see the next generation APS combining Trophy's radars with the Iron Fist munition. Huge potential I think particularly against APFSDS as well as reduced collateral damage.
the trophy system will also point the turret in the direction of the threat
@@bruhh249 don't you mean 401 and 188 brigades ?
@@altivan if tanks could even protect themselves from apfsds, then it would become impossible to destroy a tank without air support or what?
@@eduardosalamanca3808 There are ways to defeat advanced APS such as using multiple missiles simultaneously (though this depends on how many munitions the APS has on tap) or possibly jamming/destroying the APS radars. Defenses are never perfect
You should upload videos more often.....Love from india
I'll keep this in mind when I get drafted into the tank core in ww3.
wow awesome.
Damn that's too bad this channel didn't have more content
There's now trophy 2.0 (model 400) already fielded. optical sensors were added among other things.
Well, who want to be in Russia tank when Javelin is heading to him ? I would choose Trophy 10/10
The Israeli one (trophy) is also being combined with another hard kill system more similar to afganit (called iron fist I think, uses the single projectile instead of shotgun blast interception method), which should give it more capability versus apfsds.
The trophy is installed on Merkava mark 4 tanks, Namer APCs and some US Abrams tanks, Iron fist is installed on the Israeli new Eitan APCs and some US M2 Bradley's, the two systems are not installed on the same vehicle at the same time if that's what you meant, Israel's chance of facing against AP rounds in the near future is very slim, in the other hand AT guided missiles and RPGs are a constant threat so it's more important for Israel to have better protection against these types of threats and AP is less important.
@@E_y_a_l actually, there was talk at the time to combine the systems (for redundancy or more flexibility I guess). I haven't heard of anything coming from it it in a while though, so they seem to have cancelled the idea. It is true that both are really for countering HEAT warheads, but iron fist was believed to have some, albeit very limited, effect on KE threats as well. The same with the afganit active protection system (Russian aps that probably only exists on armata and probably just as much vaporware as the armata since the Russians can't make enough and haven't worked out the bugs to actually deploy into combat).
@@jayburn00 I know there were talks because it's written in the Hebrew wikipedia page of Iron Fist, but IMI were against it. I guess because the main supplier was suppose to be Rafael, what I meant is that today I don't know of a case where both systems are installed on the same vehicle, and since at least for Israel, the chances of a symmetrical tank to tank combat are very slim, there's no reason to spend too much money to protect against AP rounds, and even in the case of such battle, even the older Israeli tanks have a lot of other advantages over our counterparts before we even start talking about active protection systems, so no need to spend that money, Kornet and RPG-29s are the main threats for Israeli tanks these days and protecting against those is where the money is going to.
T-14 has the greatest protection system ever:
Participation in zero battles
-5 protection with merkava
Nice content , Not biased and excellent animation.
i have a question: can high explosive or frag shell destroy aps and fcs ?
...very informative. Kewl.
I wonder if they made a secondary velocity projectile where if it is intercepted by kill munitions, it will explode sending a small caliber penetrator to continue the trajectory.
Once the projectile has been intercepted it's destroyed, even if not destroyed its trajectory would be heavily altered thus making a second penetrator impossible to fire effectively.
They could make a smart projectile that once it detects it's being engaged it shoots the smaller penetrator before being intercepted, however, it would probably be cheaper to just use more RPG/whatever projectile and saturate the system than developing and using an advanced round.
Why did u stop making videos. I just found out this channel
Im seeing people saying the smoke launchers are the tubes Underneath the turret and the rotating launchers on the sides as well as at the top being the aps launchers
The trophy is much more useful in modern day combat scenarios.
US doing counter insurgency mostly
@Nikola Poiukov An all out war between whom? The chances of a major tank battle are very low. In my opinion, the nuclear powers will never fight a WW2 type battle.
@Nikola Poiukov The whole cold war was hypothetical... What would be the point of armored attacks in the nuclear age? How many kilometers could one side advance before the other side threatened to go nuclear?
As someone who served in Armor, I to say that nukes saved many lives...
@Nikola Poiukov Like what? There were proxy wars, but the superpowers never fought one another as far as I remember (correct me if I'm wrong).
@Nikola Poiukov Yeh, ok, I guess you didn't learn all that well, dude... In all the conflicts you mentioned there was no direct contact between NATO and the Warsaw Pact nations. They are called proxy wars. The victory of one side in a proxy war would not trigger a nuclear war.
You confused the smoke launchers with the hardkill launchers.
One is real tank with system which was tested on the battlefield, the other is imaginary tank which right now exists mainly on paper.
EFP is very similar to HEAT warhead, it creates a jet of "molten" metal just like HEAT round but with a longer range, not shotgun-like pattern
i heard somewhere that T-14 might get Arena Hard kill aps On top of already existing Afghanit
The Principle of trophy is SO similar to that of the Ukraine ERA. Don't you think?
More video's please :(
you make such good video's man.
Has there been real life test of Trophy against a top attack missile like Javelin or a Predator launched Hellfire? I'm wondering how high of an angle it's actually able to engage at. Also what about the TOW-2B or the newer NLAW where the missile flies over the tank but then detonates an EFP down onto the top? Will Trophy still engage it or will it consider it a non-threat since it's technically not on a collision course?
If Tony Stark was still making weapons:
*Working on a man portable version of the Jericho missile*.
Very thorough and nice video
Don't understand why the T14 doesn't have akctive protection in the rear that's not logical I don't understand what they were thinking. It can't be so hard to make the launchers move left/right and up.
But the trophy system is also good israel always makes top notch stuff.
From a capabilities standpoint, fixed launchers have the advantage that if a threat is within their will zone they don't need to rotate and so have extremely fast reaction times. Being fixed should also improve reliability since there are less moving part and, probably more considerations than those came into play at choosing fixed launchers. These advantage off course came at various costs.
@@MilitaryEnthusiastExplainsBut one launcher on the back of the turret should have been added on the T14 even if it's fixed, the armour is almost always weaker in the rear of a tank.
Does the tank have a radar or some different kind of sensors? Maybe the trophy system has sensors with 360degrees coverage and the afghanit only 180.
As I know it is done to avoid friendly fire toward troops behind the tank.
@@Tayrit1 that would be a good reason to only have 180 degree coverage on armada but it's also a huge disadvantage the rear of the tank is the weakest and the most likely area to be shot in a ambush by ground troops
They could possebly put one trophy in the rear back move rear or up it would. Othrtvise it's. A dead оr heavy wounded dude
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Doesn't the TROPHY APS have a reloading system as well?
It has. 3 rounds at each launcher, 1 loaded and 2 stored in a magazine.
i would put my money currently on the APS from reinmetall it can survive multiple hits in a row and has 360 protection even on the roof
Both of them are the best
My Uncle: what if I combine it all. So each of them can cover the others fault.
Please come back, your videos are amazing! Also register a patreon, I'll be one
The merkava today has not 4 charges but 8
Maybe something to think about
How the Afganit which under the turret can protect from Javelin from up side???
Good question, afghanit can only repel attacks coming from the front and sides of the tank but not against attacks from above.
The Trophy is faster, if i were a tanker i'd trust that much more.
Did you do all these animations yourself?
I have
@@MilitaryEnthusiastExplains Nice job. I'll be keeping an eye on your channel.
Best film explaning anti rocket weponery
The question is does it work on DU ammo? That's what the Abrams is gonna use in combat. On paper and in use to counter ATGM's seems to work just fine. But I wouldn't want to sit there and have a M1A1 or 2 or 3 take pop shots at me with DU and see if it works
If I had to choose I would want the trophy system on the tank I would be in. But that's just my opinion.
make Abrams vs Armata
Can it protect from top attack mode?
Trophy for ambush protection, T-14s for known general threat direction.
Trophy (active protection system) of Morden day tanks like M1 Abrams, Merkava and T-14 Armata as for anti- tank missiles not always guaranteed kill, destroy or disable a morden day tank as its really hard to destroy a mordern tank with a shield Trophy (active protection system) Team of four anti -tank missiles fires all four missiles Trophy (active protection system stops all four misslies as I guess run and hide lads.
Ok, why can't just someone make EMP rounds to get rid of this countermeasures?
The thing that seemed most relevant for me is that in the Afganit, the smoke is spinning and the kill shot fixed while in the Trophy it's the other way around. Personally I'd prefer a flexible blast mechanism than a flexible smoke mechanism.
the question here is whether trying to intercept something flying 2 km/s is a good idea
can Trophy or Afghanit interact among themselves......lets say a salvo of ATGMs fired at a tank, and if it runs out of ammo, can the systems on other tanks (if within range) protect it?
Probably not I doubt it