@@protontech9662 you’re right. Amd isn’t even bad competition though as compared to the cards it’s competing with they beat them in rasterization. Only thing they actually lose in is ray tracing, and ray tracing still sucks enough that I don’t personally mind it.
@@simpledanman I agree with that. But in the last gen (7000) they aren't even that much price competitive. They still don't havs tuned drivers and software support in general. Personally, I would love to buy the XTX but this kinda gets me to wait.
Just say you're broke you pha-gut. Lmao these cards are all more powerful than last gen cards and current gen consoles. Seriously, just save up if you're broke stop bchin
Nah, the 4090 doesn't need the other two to look exceptional. When it was the sole 40 series card on the market for a month or two nothing else was even remotely close to it. Doubling your previous generation's 90 series is rare as fuck in the graphics card space.
That has nothing to do with the 4080 and 4070Ti. It absolutely destroys anything else on the market right now, that alone is enough to make people wanna buy one.
Ya'll are sort of right that the 4090 already looks great on its own buuuut now imagine the following: They could have made the 4080 a bit closer in performance. They could have given the 4070ti a Vram capacity that will remain sufficient for the next couple of years - but they didn't. That's an upsell to me.
@@nervsouly It isn't an upsell. The 4070 Ti has that VRAM so that it will have to be upgraded in 2-3 years. The 4080 is where it is to milk people before for a high price before they release the 4080 Ti , which will sit closer to the 4090. The 4090 isn't even the top end card as there is space for a 4090 Ti.
I'm very happy with my 4070 Ti, played on my friends 4090 PC and sure the difference is there but where I live the 4090 is 3x the price of the 4070 Ti, but not even double the performance. The 4090 is a beast, but 4070 Ti is more than enough for me personally.
@@cmdr.shepard Eh, no we don't. Learn the difference between VRAM allocated and VRAM used. You can allocate 16GB VRAM but only use 8GB VRAM. VRAM used is the only thing that matters, and no game uses even close 11GB VRAM at 1080p.
I really wanted a 4090 for my build, but since owning the gigabyte aero 4080 I'm really happy with the performance, and I saved 400+ dollars at the end of the day.
@@AdamantMindset i did ☠, it's just cool to just play anything u want in 4k all ultra 60fps+ with no worries, tweaking graphics kind of breaks a lil bit of the game experience for me
Yo same 💀I wanted a 4090, but ended up with the 4080 aero. I did it for the aesthetics. But I ain’t complaining, it’s still definitely better than my old 3060ti
The power efficiency with 4000 series is pretty impressive I have a zotac 3060ti amp white which draws 220-240W at load, like BRUH my card has got to be the most a 3060ti can draw
@@HansLotap Performance wise 3060ti is decent on my 1440p not the best I would expect but still gets the job done What really hurts me is that my zotac 3060ti amp white draws 240W on load while other similar and more powerful 3060ti draws only 200-210W on full load
This has been the case since the dawn of GPUs. The premium in cost as you go up in power does not scale 1:1 with frames/rasterization power. It never has and everyone pointing this out now is obviously running on a bad case of the parrots.
power drain difference between the 3 cards is what make the real difference ,the 4080 is around 25% better than 4070ti and consume + 30 40W,the 4080 is around 27% worse than 4090 and consume -100W average ...i think 4080 is the best card for value/consume currently on market.The 4090 is a monster but 400 450W on every game you need build a system only for that....power efficency of 4080 is what really outshine every other card create ever.
I'm glad someone sees the power draw difference. For 90% of people, if you have the money to buy a $800+ GPU then you probably wont care about $5-10 a month more on your electric bill. I'm in that 10% not only for saving that extra money but because my room cant handle anything else lol. I have 2 PC setups in a single room with a stand up AC unit. 1000w on the AC + 1000w on 2 gaming PCs my room is going to explode, I'm going to have to run a dedicated outlet for my AC unit before summer time hits. 4080 and 4090 both GPUs get 100+ FPS on some 4k games. why does it matter if you get 100 vs 150. They both feel incredibly smooth and you most likely only have a 120hz 4k TV, those higher frames don't even matter. I would get a 4080 saving money and electricity while still having a fun time getting 100 fps in 4k games.
The 4090 might be a 4K high-end card for four or five years. Game devs are still going to have to cater to the lowest common denominator when developing games. People who got an XSX and PS5 (2070 Super level of graphical power) are probably not going to be in the market for a new console anytime soon. Same with those with a n RTX 3070 and up, as most will probably not upgrade soon either.
The 1060/1660/1650 are still super relevant for game developers. They are major- they set standards. I can tell you that a 1660 can run any game very well at 1080p. And 1080p is a dominant gaming resolution. So by doing some math, you can easily tell that lower-demanding and better optimized games can target much larger audience=more money. The PS5 will after a few years, like let's say in 2025, hold the High-End PCs back. But that is only good for us.
Correct. Let's look at the two baselines devs are keeping in mind: The 10 series, such as 1060. The 1060 used to be the most common GPU on the biggest PC gaming platform until the 1650 unseated it. The 2070-tier of GPU performance is where the current gen consoles are sitting. Developers are going to keep their games playable on these machines at 1080p. Console manufacturers have signaled that this current generation will last until 2027. Considering that the 4090 has nothing remotely close to it this generation and it completely dwarfs both the PC and console baselines it's likely going to ride out these remaining 4-5 years with ease. This is also going to be a long generation so these performance standards will not be rising for quite some time.
The 4070 Ti is half of a 4090 and yet the performance of the 4090 is nowhere near double of the 4070 Ti in most games. That’s some lackluster scaling there.
That's because it's such a monster card that in most games it's bottlenecked by the fastest CPU available, the 13900k. We won't know how fast the 4090 is until CPUs catch up to a level where they can fully feed it all the time. It's an absolute beast.
I don’t understand your guys logic. A 3090 costs around 1200-1300$ right now. A 4070 ti has the same performance as a 3090, but costs 500$ less and has less vram lol
Is the difference that big between the 3070 and the 4070 Ti ? I own a 3070 with two screens (1440p as main and 1080p for secondary usage) and I'm hesitating between 4070 Ti and 4080 if I get to change my config
4090 is a no go zone. Here it costs EUR 1850-2100 while 4080 is EUR 1300-1400 and while still brutally expensive, 4090 does not make sense with 30% more power draw for 25% more performance and 45% more cost than the 4080. Simple game of numbers. 4070Ti is best in terms of price/performance.
You are absolutely correct, the ONLY reason I got the 4090 is because it has more VRAM, which games are constantly asking more of, I can play new games for another ten years. @@dhaumya23gango75
Exactly. And there's tiers of it as well. Can it run Cyberpunk at 4K? Can it run Cyberpunk at 4K Ultra Settings? Can it run Cyberpunk at 4K Ultra + Psycho RT? Most cards absolutely stumble at the first tier, and no current card run the last tier without DLSS.
@@RicochetForce Well, the 4090 can deliver a "console" expirience with 35-40+ fps in hardest scenes. And a lot more outside of town, at night (when there is no GI). Which is still pretty insane to think about. Yes, this is not a full path tracing, but a lot of rays. If CDPR put a path tracing in.. we will probably see the same 20 fps, as 3090 was capable of
@@PhilosophicalSock Yes, once the Overdrive RT setting is introduced which brings in pathtracing and what appears to be many more bounces at further distances, then CP2077 will return to being the Crysis-like test it was before the 4090.
@@RicochetForce And it will become not playable at all.. Even frame gen is not much of a help when base fps is much less than 60. What really embarasses me is that cyberpunk is still bugged as hell, has tons of visual glithes, missing/dissappearing shadows, etc. 2 years of patches is just not enough. Crazy. I dont have much faith, RT Overdrive probably wont fix all this. But we shall see
@@PhilosophicalSock Personally, when I don't care about a game/movie/show I completely drop it from my mind. I don't let it dominate my mind with endless complaints that will change nothing. That's a healthier way of handling things in general. We were talking about how Cybperpunk 2077 is the new Crysis. It very much is, just in a different setting. Back in the early 2000s heavy foliage was THE challenge in rendering. Just absolute murder on GPUS for the longest time. Now? We have games with dense foliage, physics, and even gameplay interaction. Now we've moved onto the extremely detail dense cityscape that actually matches how cities are in real life.
At some point I fully expect Nvidia to do a Ada refresh, and release a 20GB 4080ti with the AD102-200 GPU along with the 4090ti which uses the AD102-400 GPU.
They won't increase the VRAM - 16GB is plenty, that isn't the issue. It's the decrease in bus size - which means less bandwith giving less room for data transfer on the memory. If they give it say the same size bus as the 4090 at 356 opposed to 256 - the performance increase will be substantial. People get caught up on the vram thinking that's the primary concern for stuttering and all that - 16 gb is PLENTY for 4k. It's the smaller bus size that limits performance. It's the primary reason I returned my Tuf 4080 I got brand new msrp for $1000 at microcenter and bought the Suprim X 4090. Would have bought a base model tuf if they had it. Originally bought the gaming trio 4090 - it was actually a better bin then my suprim and the core clock was mighty impressive on the OC side. It just didn't sit right with me if i'm paying almost two grand for a card I don't want any plastic on the cooler. And it didn't have a vapor chamber. It was just a direct contact copper plate - didn't really hurt thermal performance - but I was looking into premium and longevity. Surprising to me the gaming trio had the best memory chip cooler out of all the 4090's i've tested - more and more I feel like I made a mistake and should have kept that card. Though my suprim is a bit more efficient with a better memory bin and a bit quieter. Less coil whine.
@@6r3ys0n Wrong. 256 bit bus is not bottleneck for 4080. 4090 is so much more powerful GPU it benefits from 384 bit memory bus, but 4080 would not. 4070 Ti is not badly bottlenecked by its 192 bit bus either, its more the VRAM capacity that holds it back.
@@teemuvesala9575 not wrong. You know nothing about hardware. I have owned all of this hardware and have vast knowledge on these things. You clearly just don’t know how hardware works and your smooth brain can only focus on primary specifications thinking those are the only reasons. I said nothing about the 4080 being bottlenecked by the 256 bit bus. But it does limit bandwith and if it had a bigger bus = more bandwith = more performance. There’s a reason they limited bandwith. Look at the 4070ti. There’s a reason it stutters in 4k, and that’s the 192 bit bus. Not the 12gb of vram. The 3080 never stuttered like that, and that’s because of the significantly bigger bus. Use your fucking noggin. And don’t argue about hardware you’ve never owned or can’t afford. You’re failing to realize my point was they don’t need to increase the vram to upgrade the 4080 to a 4080ti, it just needs a bigger bus - and obviously they will add more shaders and RT cores. And reading your entire comment and having owned the Tuf 4070ti myself - where in your right mind do you think the 4070ti small bus doesn’t cause the stuttering ? Because it’s DEFINITELY not the vram. I have ran lengthy tests of the 4070ti and 3080ti side by side in 4k in games like hogwarts legacy - both 12gb - one stutters - the other doesn’t. I wonder why? LIMITED BANDWITH. Idiot. Sold the 4070ti for $700 on marketplace after about a month of owning it. I currently have a Suprim X 4090 in my main rig and a Tuf 4080 in my secondary. And let me correct myself the 4090 has a 384 bit bus. Smaller the bus the more limited computation.
I know that the fact of using DLSS in these tests at 4k means 2k, but here it is worth it, where it is not worth it is when you do your tests at 1080p, because in that case the test would be at 720p scaled to 1080p
@@ChowdongsFameCrew The past few generations xx70 cards have usually performed like the best of the previous generation. So yes it should have been a 4070.
But let’s face it, nvidia does charge much higher price on 70ti and 80, but 70 tier usually targets last gen 80. 4070ti here can match 3090ti level perf while having DLSS3 support. 799.99 is not reasonable, but not that bad at the same time
8K: *makes the 4090 lag* 8K: If so powerful you are, why lag? RTX 4090: You will not stop me! RTX 5090 will become more powerful than either of us! 8K: Faith in your new gen, misplaced may be, just as your faith in richkids buying your cards!
@@thtkk what? New generation have always improved over the last ones. That's the whole point of New GPUs. This has been the case since the dawn of GPUs. Nothing has changed here.
Nvidia fucked up with prices soo big that we don't hate on amd anymore for doing the same thing. Basically AMD has a 7900XT and 7800XT but named them almost the same like NVIDIA wanted to do with 4080 12 gb and 4080 16gb.
@@protontech9662 I guess AMD did have some decent sales for their 6000 series GPUs while Nvidia had no sales at all and is way more overpriced than AMD.
@@curie1420 I mean you can think like that, But what's more is you buying a midrage card now and rebuying one 2 years down the road which is more money out the pocket. As for me i want my cards to last for a long time without having to upgrade as i dont buy gpus every 2 gens...The 4090 will last for a long time thus its not like games are going to be like crysis 4 melting fps
4090 is great but that 4080 is not that much lower fps with 100 less watts of power. I went with the 4080 amp extreme airo, never really bough Zotac but it's been an awesome card. Quiet, 0 coil whine anywhere and runs super cool.
Aye, but I do undervolt my 4090 at 900mv with 2655 core clock and +1700 memory OC. Draw even less power than stock 4080 while maintaining stock 4090 performance
@@kellen4854 undervolting isn’t as effective as it were on the Ampere cards. Undervolting will reduce your effective clocks for the Ada Lovelace cards and will remain that way even with an overclock. Derbauer has a video as to why adjusting the power target is much more effective for this generation.
Thank you great comparison ...Question to you and all :- which game of these would be comparable to elden ring or soul games as i am only playing that beside productivity and still torn between 4070ti and 4080 noting that my screen is 4k IPS 160 hz
if your screen is 4k, you might want to go for the bigger GPU if you want to come even close to 160fps. 4070 ti is going to be playable for pretty much all games ( maybe not on ultra ) , but don't expect the same FPS basically.
Anyone know of a video showing how much you have to optimize with the lower tier cards to get the same fps as the 4090? I feel like DLSS quality + a few changes from ultra to high could get you close with the 4070 ti?
Sure, just drop your resolution to 1080p and drop things like volumetric fog, and shadows to medium or low. But that has always been the deal: Higher tier cards can get oodles of frames per second and awesome visuals, lower tier cards have to compromise to hit the same framerate number.
So we finally have the "4k" cards that can game at 60 fps. It is a problem for the GPU manufacturers, because display resolutions are not growing at same rate.
Skipped the 20series , skipped the 30series, decided to buy the 40s 4070ti (former 4080 12gb) as I can't see myself spending 2k on a graphics card as I don't even own a 4k monitor only 144hz 1440p My question is now. Ist worth to rather buy a 4080 for 500 euros more than the 4070ti or no?
I mean... I got a 4080 the second I found one at msrp. I used it to top off my build and I can do literally anything. I wish 4k was more supported so I could get a monitor that would allow my gpu to stretch its legs and get to utilize its potential more though. All 40's cards are geared towards high end 4k gaming. 30's seems like high end 1080p to 2k. Anything below down to the 10's series are entry level to bare minimum to play kind of cards. Kinda funny how tech played out like that.
Uhm... 4k 144hz Monitors exist and ive literally had an issue with mine in any game? Or were you talking about 4k optimization in games? If so, yes i agree there are some games that have horrendous performance on 4k but thats fairly rare and mostly only on small new titles.
@@gavinderulo12 Im super happy with mine and i dont use HDR. Idk if its just me but hdr always seemed so much worse on any screen ive ever had, be it on the smartphone or PC/TV. Maybe my eyes are weird idk. I have the Samsung Odyssey G7 28" model. The only "issue" ive had with mine is that it could be a little bit brighter but you can adjust that with gamma settings ingame.
@@alexwithanx that's because these aren't real hdr displays. They are often marketed that way but there is much more to hdr than being able to display 10bit color. The channel Monitors unboxed has really good Videos on what makes a proper hdr Display and what makes hdr in general so appealing. But imo good hdr is a MUCH larger visual improvement than the jump to 4k. That's one of the main reasons I still enjoy playing on my ps5 is the excellent hdr implementation on most games. It just looks absolutely jaw dropping on my LG Oled.
@@JojneZimmerman as someone who uses a 180hz expensive high end 1440p monitor i can tell anything above 100 fps feels smooth and good, meanwhile anything under 100 especially at 80-90 fps begins to feel choppy and bad (starting to get that 60 hz feeling again). So yeh i'll pay 400 more for 20 fps
If you observe, the gap between 4070ti and 4080 is almost the same than 4080 and 4090. 25 percent more or less. I think the segmentation was very good.
@@pyrohead3166 If money isn't a concern for you, then no. Quit being caveman brain inclined. As he said, if you're getting a 4090, it's quite literally all about performance at that point. As a 4090 owner myself with an I9 -13900KS, it's not about the money.
Exact my case Pop. But I bought my 4080 for 1100 dollars. Amazing! And yes... I could spend a little more for 4090, but 4080 already destroys 4k ultra gaming. For me it is the sweet spot. 4080's energy efficiency is outstanding! it shows how the new chip is a very big leap in technology.
Bit more to it, with the amount of VRAM and bus limitations of the 4070ti. It has been intentionally crippled so it doesn't compete with the 4080. It was probably meant to be a proper 4080 12gb, but then they cut the memory bus and .. Forgot to adjust the price? 🤷🏻
This is a comparison of all cards with the most punishing settings. 4K, max settings, no AI upscaling such as DLSS, etc... 4090 at 1080p and 1440p is bottlenecked by all CPUs currently on the market and would not be able to run at its full ability. Some games are even CPU bound at 4K, such as Forza Horizon 5.
Newbie here. Can someone pls explain the differences in the actual graphics and smoothness. I can see a difference in FPS between cards but I'm struggling to actually see that much of difference with graphics between all of the cards. Someone explain please?
They all have the same graphic settings here, so no picture quality difference. The only difference is how many FPS can u push on each card. More FPS means more fluid gameplay which u have mentioned in ur comment!
FPS means Frames Per Second, the more of it, the smoother the gameplay is. They are all the same graphic settings, they look exactly the same. But the better the card, the more Frames (Pictures) it can load per second, making the gameplay experience smoother. But there are cards of course who can't even run these graphics at all (or it will be so low FPS that it's unplayable).
the rtx 4090 will drop severely once next gen cards arrive and make it look dirt poor, happened to me in the past. don't settle for over priced cards the 4070ti is just fine, the 3070 is just fine, the 3080ti is just fine fow now
yo no entiendo mucho, pero graficamente no veo diferencia entre la 4070 ti y la 4090, si veo la diferencia de fps pero en pantalla no se aprecia nada...en qué se tiene que notar la mejora?
@@alexmorera1383 FPS jugar a mas de 60 es el estandar en pc pero llegar a 144 es lo mejor asi se aprovecha una mejor fluidez bueno aunque en juegos triple aaa los 60 son suficientes los e-sports y competitivos necesitan 144 en adelante
Which the game needs to be optimized more. But the 4090 imo is the card that will last and for 99% you wont have to worry bout any game you buy. Like when i had the 4070 Ti i was picky on which games to get and if they optimized. Now with a 4090 i kinda halfway wouldn't care due to the fact i know the 4090 going to push nicely anyway it goes
Why is the 4090 so stupidly superior in comparison with the 4080 ? It makes me want to wait for a 4080 ti, it's insane the difference between the two cards, 3080 was the big deal, top tier chip ( 3090/3090 ti ) for 700 bucks.
4090 is not superior. I also believed it and I just tried using both 4080 and 4090. I will keep 4080. Same picture quality, 4090 gets around 7 FPS better. No other difference.
@@00_UU Then you have something with your right Or are just coping. 4090 easily performs +30 percent better in most games which translates to minimum 20-30 fps at 4k in most games. See reviews and maybe do proper unbiased testing.
@@dhaumya23gango75 I found the problem. It was either my motherboard or my RAM. Just replaced both and my PC is flying! 12600 only loads up 80 percent of 4090, so my CPU is the weak spot right now. I will upgrade to 12700F next.
@@00_UU Lol you are clueless. You're held back by your CPU and using lower resolution therefore there is no difference. Give it latest triple A game, 4K resolution and proper CPU and there is a big difference.
@@teemuvesala9575 lol you are clueless. CPU makes no difference at 4K with Ultra settings. Maybe 1-2 fps in AAA games. I just switched to 12900 with a larger 280 liquid cooler and I see no difference in FPS. Because I was already at 4K.
There are too many people that think we became spoiled by next Generation cards changing the price to performance ratio for the better. By their logic we can expect the 5090ti to be $4k.
Fairly new to looking at GPU performances, could someone explain how the "ms" affects the performance? Only seen "ms" when you play in Multiplayer/online.
These are milliseconds. The ones that are in the video is the "frame time". To display 60 FPS it should be 16.6ms or less (1s/60). Less frame time means more FPS. For example, to show you 200 FPS your GPU/CPU should render a frame every 5ms.
The ms you’re seeing in multiplayer games is the network latency, the ms in this video is referring to frame times which it’s how long it takes the computer to render a single frame.
An easy way of visualizing it is this: Two people are holding a piece of paper with a picture on it. They're told to run to a whiteboard 100 feet away and stick it to the board and come back. Person A runs with a steady pace to their steps all the way there and back. Person B runs with an erratic pace, sometimes walking, sometimes sprinting, sometimes crawling. Both come back to you at the exact same time. Which one was smoother? That is what the millisecond time is measuring, how consistently are new frames being delivered to the monitor. This is why "60fps" can look rough and choppy or liquid smooth and flawless. Frametime matters more than general FPS. The lower and more consistent the frametime, the smoother the gameplay.
Basically the "ms" here indicates internal latency, aka how long it takes for the system to visually respond to an action you make - like moving your mouse or pressing a key on your keyboard. If you have high internal latency, then your screen will display the corresponding frames later than when you pressed the key relative to how high your internal latency is. In multiplayer games, the "ms" is your network latency, meaning how long does it take for what happens on your screen, to be transmitted to the game server itself and trigger a validated response - meaning what you see on your screen may not be what the actual game server registers. In online shooters for example, high network latency can make it so that on your screen, you are shooting a person out in the open, but on the game server itself, that person already jumped behind cover and thus didn't get hit. Your internet network latency just didn't forward your input to the game server fast enough for it to register your hit on the enemy player in time. If we take the same example as above, but use internal latency instead of network latency, you would click on the person to shoot them, but the shot doesn't come through on your screen until the guy jumped behind cover so it looks like you missed. TLDR; Internal latency "ms" makes your game feel more sluggish the higher the latency number is. Network latency "ms" makes your actions delayed on the game server, even if everything looks and feels good on your end.
I just installed 4090 and I am getting around 5-7 FPS more in Cyberpunk 2077 over 4080 at 1600p. Picture quality is the same. 4090 is not worth it, I will keep 4080 instead.
Yeah I'm leaning towards that aswell. Hoping it will drop to 1250€ again and just pull the trigger... not happy about it, but I'll be the first to piss on Nvidias grave
@@gavinderulo12 but still 4090 is higher FPS, image quality is exactly the same as 4080. I can only see value in 4090 for people that play very competitive games like CS:GO. Casual games - 4080 is all you need.
I am in a bit of huge dilemma here. And I know I shouldn't because of the huge price gap. But, here I am. I currently have GTX 970 (yup, you read right) and I am thinking about building an entirely new PC, because I got old parts anyway. So, I found RTX 4080 for 1200 euros and RTX 4090 for the insane amount of 2130 euros. Now, the obvious choice should be the RTX 4080 right? But, why is it that it feels like that 4090 is winking at me, calling for me. I know the reasonable choice is the 4080 but I am willing to pay all that money for 4090. The plan is to play cyberpunk at 4k + RT Ultra with DLSS and possibly FG. And I also plan to play 4k ultra modded Skyrim. Also, obviously some AAA games and the newer ones for years to come. Any advice is welcome.
if you have money, go for 4090. I think it would last much longer than 4080. I personally have 4070ti and there is not much big difference between 4070ti and 4080 (only about 20% more fps, for much bigger price) 4090 is really expensive, I know, but If you plan to buid a new computer, for at least 6-7 yeas, as I assume from your last GPU, then it would be worth it. 4090 is a total beast and would last much, much longer than 4080 IMO.
I have a 4080, and even if i had a 4090 id still be using DLSS +FG (which drastically improves frames with little to no perceived lack in quality to the layen gamer) when gaming at 4K. And in this vid it seems youre using dlss for some games but off for others? All in all i get the video is showing the GPU's power with no bells and whistles (except for when you use dlss is some games in the vid).
the 80 series ti is around a 10% margin of the 90 series(for gaming) for much cheaperjust wait for that. The 24 gigs of vram is what you are paying extra for and is unecessary for gaming, better for rendering and content creation
@@erisium6988 sorry, after 7 years using VR and had and having lot of fun with it i can say: thats nonsens for the price of gpu: you are replying here on a thread about 4070ti, 4080 and 4090 so what? VR does also work with less expensive gpus.. i have a 4080 now, but had lot of fun with my 2070 as well
The test turned out to be so super-satisfactory, where 4090 went around everyone and confirmed its Leadership and top for Today. I'm waiting for the 4090ti to come out. what she will show and be able to be #1 Thanks to everyone who read this Post. Health Love and clear skies over your Houses...
The 4080 has 20FPS (avg) more than the 4070 Ti. The 4090 has 15 FPS (avg) more than the 4080. If they make a 4080 Ti, it will be closer to the 4090 than the 4070 Ti is to the 4080. The 4080 Ti will be a better value than the 4070 Ti because it will be closer in (avg) FPS wise than the 4070Ti is to the 4080.
I cannot tell the difference at all lol. If you take those numbers out, I'd think they were all played in the same PC 😂. Can someone tell me a timestamp and exactly where I should be looking where I can actually see a difference?
@@SirCharlesLikesChurros that's because youtube only displays Videos up to 60fps. The whole point of the video are the metrics on screen, because there is no other way to tell the difference through RUclips. The graphics settings and resolution are the same across all GPUs in these Benchmarks.
Now that cards are so powerful that their achieving almost 144 fps in 4k resolution, it is inevitable that in the next 10 years we will likely see the end of the FPS desire era and people will buy graphic cards for other features.
nah , its just beginning of more sales , game developer will upscale their work and Create games that crush these cards. just like anti life equation , game developer will develop anti Graphic equation
If you had any idea how gimped graphics are, you wouldn't be saying this. In actual render applications with truly advanced graphic settings, a single frame can takes hours to render even with a 4090. Real time rendering in videogames have barely scratched the 1% of what true graphic complexity looks like. The more powerful gpus get, the more of the graphic potential will be able to unlock, thus we will never surpass 4k 100fps for high-demand games. We will just see more and more advanced graphic features introduced in each new generation of videogames - pretty much forever until we can accurately simulate real life.
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It's just sad when companies like Nvidia have monopoly and can dictate prices
What do you mean? Intel has arc and amd exists as well. It isn’t a monopoly
Bad competition does not mean monopoly...
@@protontech9662 you’re right. Amd isn’t even bad competition though as compared to the cards it’s competing with they beat them in rasterization. Only thing they actually lose in is ray tracing, and ray tracing still sucks enough that I don’t personally mind it.
@@simpledanman I agree with that. But in the last gen (7000) they aren't even that much price competitive. They still don't havs tuned drivers and software support in general. Personally, I would love to buy the XTX but this kinda gets me to wait.
Just say you're broke you pha-gut. Lmao these cards are all more powerful than last gen cards and current gen consoles. Seriously, just save up if you're broke stop bchin
The gap between a 4080 and 4090 is pretty large... almost like they plan to slip a 4080Ti in the middle at some stage lol (guaranteed).
4080 Ti $1399
@@zntei2374 that would make the 4090 obsolete
@@Birdman._. no because the 4090 will have its price dropped by then
4080 ti wont launch this year we dont even know if 4090 ti or titan will happen cuz nvidia doesnt care anymore its all about money now
@@Birdman._. not really, we can see that people would still pay the price to have the best, plus I suspect 4090 prices will drop like the 3090
4070ti and 4080 were only made to make the 4090 appear exceptional. But to my shame I'll admit the upsell worked on me.
Nah, the 4090 doesn't need the other two to look exceptional. When it was the sole 40 series card on the market for a month or two nothing else was even remotely close to it. Doubling your previous generation's 90 series is rare as fuck in the graphics card space.
Yeah, they paid to develop and manufacture two GPUs to sell one that would have sold anyway. I can see your business acumen is next level.
That has nothing to do with the 4080 and 4070Ti. It absolutely destroys anything else on the market right now, that alone is enough to make people wanna buy one.
Ya'll are sort of right that the 4090 already looks great on its own buuuut now imagine the following: They could have made the 4080 a bit closer in performance. They could have given the 4070ti a Vram capacity that will remain sufficient for the next couple of years - but they didn't. That's an upsell to me.
@@nervsouly It isn't an upsell. The 4070 Ti has that VRAM so that it will have to be upgraded in 2-3 years. The 4080 is where it is to milk people before for a high price before they release the 4080 Ti , which will sit closer to the 4090. The 4090 isn't even the top end card as there is space for a 4090 Ti.
Great performance, but those prices are wild
The prices are so disgusting that I'm thinking about buying an Xbox with a mouse+keyboard setup to game lol
@@sylvainh2o Bro.. You are looking at 4k gameplay on a PC running Ultra settings getting 100+ FPS. Your console wouldn't even get 30 FPS at 4k.
@@sylvainh2o XD
@@OMGiTzSpAnKy Not just that but in console most graphic settings are on low so the fame can even run at 4k.
@@OMGiTzSpAnKy upscaled 4k* mind you
I'm very happy with my 4070 Ti, played on my friends 4090 PC and sure the difference is there but where I live the 4090 is 3x the price of the 4070 Ti, but not even double the performance.
The 4090 is a beast, but 4070 Ti is more than enough for me personally.
3x??? really? here in europe its 1.5 times the price :S
@@jakets9791 I got my Strix 4070 Ti for 1000, and the Strix 4090 sells for 2800 here so more like 2.8x but still
@@Yucci oof here in France it's 900 the 4070Ti and 1900 the 4090
@@user-sm8tx4jz3g i mean ebay is also a bit risky mate
sure it is more than enough! i'm still using asus strix 1080 !! and its working fine
4070 Ti should be 16GB
4080 should be 20GB
Why? look at 4k usage, it's not hitting 12GB yet.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator Yep and thats native 4K, when using DLSS VRAM usage goes down actually.
@@teemuvesala9575 Well this aged well. Now we have 11 GB VRAM usage on 1080p.
@@cmdr.shepard Eh, no we don't. Learn the difference between VRAM allocated and VRAM used. You can allocate 16GB VRAM but only use 8GB VRAM. VRAM used is the only thing that matters, and no game uses even close 11GB VRAM at 1080p.
I really wanted a 4090 for my build, but since owning the gigabyte aero 4080 I'm really happy with the performance, and I saved 400+ dollars at the end of the day.
nobody buys such card for just gaming, so that high vram is very beneficial to creators.
@@AdamantMindset i did ☠, it's just cool to just play anything u want in 4k all ultra 60fps+ with no worries, tweaking graphics kind of breaks a lil bit of the game experience for me
@@AdamantMindset Many people do for High fps gaming .
@@AdamantMindset You don't know how many rich people out there
Yo same 💀I wanted a 4090, but ended up with the 4080 aero. I did it for the aesthetics. But I ain’t complaining, it’s still definitely better than my old 3060ti
lmao was that intro a joke? Seems almost like a parody of an ad you would see in the 90's
The power efficiency with 4000 series is pretty impressive
I have a zotac 3060ti amp white which draws 220-240W at load, like BRUH my card has got to be the most a 3060ti can draw
i have the same card. pretty happy with the performance of 3060ti on 1440p gaming
@@HansLotap Performance wise 3060ti is decent on my 1440p not the best I would expect but still gets the job done
What really hurts me is that my zotac 3060ti amp white draws 240W on load while other similar and more powerful 3060ti draws only 200-210W on full load
@@PannyLanny so the zotac 3060ti amp version is more powerful than the twin edge version. Amp will give you more fps, is that right?
@@HansLotap 3-5 fps doesnt count haha
4080 45% more expensive than 4070 Ti for 25-30% more performance. 4090 55% more expensive than the 4080 for 35-40% more performance.
This has been the case since the dawn of GPUs. The premium in cost as you go up in power does not scale 1:1 with frames/rasterization power. It never has and everyone pointing this out now is obviously running on a bad case of the parrots.
power drain difference between the 3 cards is what make the real difference ,the 4080 is around 25% better than 4070ti and consume + 30 40W,the 4080 is around 27% worse than 4090 and consume -100W average ...i think 4080 is the best card for value/consume currently on market.The 4090 is a monster but 400 450W on every game you need build a system only for that....power efficency of 4080 is what really outshine every other card create ever.
I'm glad someone sees the power draw difference. For 90% of people, if you have the money to buy a $800+ GPU then you probably wont care about $5-10 a month more on your electric bill. I'm in that 10% not only for saving that extra money but because my room cant handle anything else lol. I have 2 PC setups in a single room with a stand up AC unit. 1000w on the AC + 1000w on 2 gaming PCs my room is going to explode, I'm going to have to run a dedicated outlet for my AC unit before summer time hits.
4080 and 4090 both GPUs get 100+ FPS on some 4k games. why does it matter if you get 100 vs 150. They both feel incredibly smooth and you most likely only have a 120hz 4k TV, those higher frames don't even matter.
I would get a 4080 saving money and electricity while still having a fun time getting 100 fps in 4k games.
@@SubZyYT spot on 👏
The 4090 might be a 4K high-end card for four or five years. Game devs are still going to have to cater to the lowest common denominator when developing games. People who got an XSX and PS5 (2070 Super level of graphical power) are probably not going to be in the market for a new console anytime soon. Same with those with a n RTX 3070 and up, as most will probably not upgrade soon either.
The 1060/1660/1650 are still super relevant for game developers. They are major- they set standards. I can tell you that a 1660 can run any game very well at 1080p. And 1080p is a dominant gaming resolution. So by doing some math, you can easily tell that lower-demanding and better optimized games can target much larger audience=more money. The PS5 will after a few years, like let's say in 2025, hold the High-End PCs back. But that is only good for us.
Correct. Let's look at the two baselines devs are keeping in mind:
The 10 series, such as 1060. The 1060 used to be the most common GPU on the biggest PC gaming platform until the 1650 unseated it.
The 2070-tier of GPU performance is where the current gen consoles are sitting.
Developers are going to keep their games playable on these machines at 1080p.
Console manufacturers have signaled that this current generation will last until 2027.
Considering that the 4090 has nothing remotely close to it this generation and it completely dwarfs both the PC and console baselines it's likely going to ride out these remaining 4-5 years with ease. This is also going to be a long generation so these performance standards will not be rising for quite some time.
xbox is on 3060ti/3070 power,ps5 maybe is a 2070 :D
@@MARCO-rq2ph Xbox X full size is only slightly more powerful than an RTX 2080 SUPER
@@jeremyadams7872 so im right
The 4070 Ti is half of a 4090 and yet the performance of the 4090 is nowhere near double of the 4070 Ti in most games. That’s some lackluster scaling there.
That's because it's such a monster card that in most games it's bottlenecked by the fastest CPU available, the 13900k. We won't know how fast the 4090 is until CPUs catch up to a level where they can fully feed it all the time. It's an absolute beast.
which GPU i shud buy for i7 12700 non k
I don’t understand your guys logic. A 3090 costs around 1200-1300$ right now. A 4070 ti has the same performance as a 3090, but costs 500$ less and has less vram lol
I do own 4070Ti after 3070 and 2060S
But 50% more on 4090 is impressive
4090=2x4070ti=4x3060ti :)))
Is the difference that big between the 3070 and the 4070 Ti ?
I own a 3070 with two screens (1440p as main and 1080p for secondary usage) and I'm hesitating between 4070 Ti and 4080 if I get to change my config
@@judubbing9615 4070Ti is very close to 3090Ti
@@wdowa94 well, it seems to be a little more future proof than the 3070. Thx for your answer :)
@@judubbing9615 It's nowhere near to 4090 performance. About 30% slower than 4080
4090 is a no go zone. Here it costs EUR 1850-2100 while 4080 is EUR 1300-1400 and while still brutally expensive, 4090 does not make sense with 30% more power draw for 25% more performance and 45% more cost than the 4080. Simple game of numbers. 4070Ti is best in terms of price/performance.
4090 has +30 percent more performance, do your maths bud. Also it's more future proof with it's 24gb vram.
4070 is even better performance cost wise. $999 here in Australia vs $1400 4070ti
You are absolutely correct, the ONLY reason I got the 4090 is because it has more VRAM, which games are constantly asking more of, I can play new games for another ten years. @@dhaumya23gango75
finally a 4060ti vs 4070ti vs 4090 comparsion! oh wait ...
I feel like we have a new "Crysis" for the ray tracing generation of graphics, where the question now is "Can it run CyberPunk?"
Exactly. And there's tiers of it as well.
Can it run Cyberpunk at 4K?
Can it run Cyberpunk at 4K Ultra Settings?
Can it run Cyberpunk at 4K Ultra + Psycho RT?
Most cards absolutely stumble at the first tier, and no current card run the last tier without DLSS.
@@RicochetForce Well, the 4090 can deliver a "console" expirience with 35-40+ fps in hardest scenes. And a lot more outside of town, at night (when there is no GI). Which is still pretty insane to think about. Yes, this is not a full path tracing, but a lot of rays.
If CDPR put a path tracing in.. we will probably see the same 20 fps, as 3090 was capable of
@@PhilosophicalSock Yes, once the Overdrive RT setting is introduced which brings in pathtracing and what appears to be many more bounces at further distances, then CP2077 will return to being the Crysis-like test it was before the 4090.
@@RicochetForce And it will become not playable at all.. Even frame gen is not much of a help when base fps is much less than 60.
What really embarasses me is that cyberpunk is still bugged as hell, has tons of visual glithes, missing/dissappearing shadows, etc. 2 years of patches is just not enough. Crazy. I dont have much faith, RT Overdrive probably wont fix all this. But we shall see
@@PhilosophicalSock Personally, when I don't care about a game/movie/show I completely drop it from my mind. I don't let it dominate my mind with endless complaints that will change nothing. That's a healthier way of handling things in general.
We were talking about how Cybperpunk 2077 is the new Crysis. It very much is, just in a different setting. Back in the early 2000s heavy foliage was THE challenge in rendering. Just absolute murder on GPUS for the longest time. Now? We have games with dense foliage, physics, and even gameplay interaction.
Now we've moved onto the extremely detail dense cityscape that actually matches how cities are in real life.
At some point I fully expect Nvidia to do a Ada refresh, and release a 20GB 4080ti with the AD102-200 GPU along with the 4090ti which uses the AD102-400 GPU.
4080 Ti would be then the new go to card for most people looking top tier performance.
They won't increase the VRAM - 16GB is plenty, that isn't the issue. It's the decrease in bus size - which means less bandwith giving less room for data transfer on the memory. If they give it say the same size bus as the 4090 at 356 opposed to 256 - the performance increase will be substantial. People get caught up on the vram thinking that's the primary concern for stuttering and all that - 16 gb is PLENTY for 4k. It's the smaller bus size that limits performance. It's the primary reason I returned my Tuf 4080 I got brand new msrp for $1000 at microcenter and bought the Suprim X 4090. Would have bought a base model tuf if they had it. Originally bought the gaming trio 4090 - it was actually a better bin then my suprim and the core clock was mighty impressive on the OC side. It just didn't sit right with me if i'm paying almost two grand for a card I don't want any plastic on the cooler. And it didn't have a vapor chamber. It was just a direct contact copper plate - didn't really hurt thermal performance - but I was looking into premium and longevity. Surprising to me the gaming trio had the best memory chip cooler out of all the 4090's i've tested - more and more I feel like I made a mistake and should have kept that card. Though my suprim is a bit more efficient with a better memory bin and a bit quieter. Less coil whine.
@@6r3ys0n Wrong. 256 bit bus is not bottleneck for 4080. 4090 is so much more powerful GPU it benefits from 384 bit memory bus, but 4080 would not. 4070 Ti is not badly bottlenecked by its 192 bit bus either, its more the VRAM capacity that holds it back.
@@teemuvesala9575 not wrong. You know nothing about hardware. I have owned all of this hardware and have vast knowledge on these things. You clearly just don’t know how hardware works and your smooth brain can only focus on primary specifications thinking those are the only reasons. I said nothing about the 4080 being bottlenecked by the 256 bit bus. But it does limit bandwith and if it had a bigger bus = more bandwith = more performance. There’s a reason they limited bandwith. Look at the 4070ti. There’s a reason it stutters in 4k, and that’s the 192 bit bus. Not the 12gb of vram. The 3080 never stuttered like that, and that’s because of the significantly bigger bus. Use your fucking noggin. And don’t argue about hardware you’ve never owned or can’t afford. You’re failing to realize my point was they don’t need to increase the vram to upgrade the 4080 to a 4080ti, it just needs a bigger bus - and obviously they will add more shaders and RT cores. And reading your entire comment and having owned the Tuf 4070ti myself - where in your right mind do you think the 4070ti small bus doesn’t cause the stuttering ? Because it’s DEFINITELY not the vram. I have ran lengthy tests of the 4070ti and 3080ti side by side in 4k in games like hogwarts legacy - both 12gb - one stutters - the other doesn’t. I wonder why? LIMITED BANDWITH. Idiot. Sold the 4070ti for $700 on marketplace after about a month of owning it. I currently have a Suprim X 4090 in my main rig and a Tuf 4080 in my secondary. And let me correct myself the 4090 has a 384 bit bus. Smaller the bus the more limited computation.
Don't ever expect with nv. Might not come up with what you meet and wanting.
I think both 4070 ti and 4090 are better deal than 4080
I know that the fact of using DLSS in these tests at 4k means 2k, but here it is worth it, where it is not worth it is when you do your tests at 1080p, because in that case the test would be at 720p scaled to 1080p
That's just to test the CPU.
@@EarthIsFlat456 ???? isn't this a gpu test
@@dot2810 When he does the tests at 1080p it is to test the CPUs.
It should be 4070 non Ti
Agreed man. There’s no way such low performance is considered 4070ti. And they had the cheek to initially launch it as 4080
@@romanceidiot its not low xd its more as an 3090 while using less watts
@@ChowdongsFameCrew The past few generations xx70 cards have usually performed like the best of the previous generation. So yes it should have been a 4070.
@@romanceidiot In 4K its weak, but at 1440p its the same or even better than 3090 ti, it lacks VRAM.
@@ChowdongsFameCrew and half vram.
4080 has the worst price-to-value ratio I’ve ever seen in a GPU next to the RTX 3050
Me: i hope RTX 40 can be cheap with good price to perfomance
Nvidia: No chance in hell you got
But let’s face it, nvidia does charge much higher price on 70ti and 80, but 70 tier usually targets last gen 80. 4070ti here can match 3090ti level perf while having DLSS3 support. 799.99 is not reasonable, but not that bad at the same time
8K: *makes the 4090 lag*
8K: If so powerful you are, why lag?
RTX 4090: You will not stop me! RTX 5090 will become more powerful than either of us!
8K: Faith in your new gen, misplaced may be, just as your faith in richkids buying your cards!
@@kellen4854 Let's just cut out the "not bad" and leave it as not reasonable, actually it should be called highway robbery.
4070 ti is the way ... those prices ... 4070 ti is still better than 3090 so what else. We were all dreaming about 3090 at some point last years
and get outpaced by a 5070 next gen with more performance than a 4090 lolol
@@curie1420 yea probably. So sad they have become apple-ized. They probably already have 7090 technology potential but not producing
@@thtkk what? New generation have always improved over the last ones. That's the whole point of New GPUs. This has been the case since the dawn of GPUs. Nothing has changed here.
@@gavinderulo12 well but 2080ti was not worse than 3060. It was still better. Now tables turn and lowest next gen is better then the highest last gen
Nvidia fucked up with prices soo big that we don't hate on amd anymore for doing the same thing. Basically AMD has a 7900XT and 7800XT but named them almost the same like NVIDIA wanted to do with 4080 12 gb and 4080 16gb.
Na, we hate AMD too. Both companies are greedy af.
Both companies are hella greedy but one is a lot worse then the other
@@trr4gfreddrtgf And what exactly makes AMD better?
@@protontech9662 I guess AMD did have some decent sales for their 6000 series GPUs while Nvidia had no sales at all and is way more overpriced than AMD.
@@protontech9662 Better value, cheaper products.
4090 is such an incredible card. WOW
until the next gen, or the one after that.... that 4090 will only last 2 gens before being useless by a midrange 70 card
@@curie1420 cool when that happens ill buy my 7090 but rn im very happy with my 4090 ;)
@@curie1420 and? That's always the case, what point are you trying to make?
@@gavinderulo12 It's all cope.
@@curie1420 I mean you can think like that, But what's more is you buying a midrage card now and rebuying one 2 years down the road which is more money out the pocket.
As for me i want my cards to last for a long time without having to upgrade as i dont buy gpus every 2 gens...The 4090 will last for a long time thus its not like games are going to be like crysis 4 melting fps
4090 is great but that 4080 is not that much lower fps with 100 less watts of power. I went with the 4080 amp extreme airo, never really bough Zotac but it's been an awesome card. Quiet, 0 coil whine anywhere and runs super cool.
Aye, but I do undervolt my 4090 at 900mv with 2655 core clock and +1700 memory OC. Draw even less power than stock 4080 while maintaining stock 4090 performance
@@kellen4854 how much wattage we talking about?
@@vor946 Under 310 most of the time
@@kellen4854 nice, 750 psu should handle that no problem
@@kellen4854 undervolting isn’t as effective as it were on the Ampere cards. Undervolting will reduce your effective clocks for the Ada Lovelace cards and will remain that way even with an overclock. Derbauer has a video as to why adjusting the power target is much more effective for this generation.
Thank you great comparison ...Question to you and all :- which game of these would be comparable to elden ring or soul games as i am only playing that beside productivity and still torn between 4070ti and 4080 noting that my screen is 4k IPS 160 hz
if your screen is 4k, you might want to go for the bigger GPU if you want to come even close to 160fps. 4070 ti is going to be playable for pretty much all games ( maybe not on ultra ) , but don't expect the same FPS basically.
why is it difficult to write in the name in what resolution the tests are carried out?
It’s in the description, 4K
For 2k resolution 4070ti nice choice - good value for money
Anyone know of a video showing how much you have to optimize with the lower tier cards to get the same fps as the 4090? I feel like DLSS quality + a few changes from ultra to high could get you close with the 4070 ti?
Sure, just drop your resolution to 1080p and drop things like volumetric fog, and shadows to medium or low. But that has always been the deal: Higher tier cards can get oodles of frames per second and awesome visuals, lower tier cards have to compromise to hit the same framerate number.
@@RicochetForce , I hope you are trolling. Dropping to FullHD will triple the FPS, not make it equal to the 4090.
4070ti at 1440p runs about the same as 4090 at 4k. Just simply turn on dlss and you're there already.
Rich VS Richer VS Richest
Hahahahahahahahaha
Nvidia: A gap in preformance according to the price
For every 25% or less, you pay 400$ more.
So we finally have the "4k" cards that can game at 60 fps. It is a problem for the GPU manufacturers, because display resolutions are not growing at same rate.
Skipped the 20series , skipped the 30series, decided to buy the 40s 4070ti (former 4080 12gb) as I can't see myself spending 2k on a graphics card as I don't even own a 4k monitor only 144hz 1440p
My question is now. Ist worth to rather buy a 4080 for 500 euros more than the 4070ti or no?
Nope
this ur best bet now. get the cheapest 4070 ti available
I mean... I got a 4080 the second I found one at msrp. I used it to top off my build and I can do literally anything. I wish 4k was more supported so I could get a monitor that would allow my gpu to stretch its legs and get to utilize its potential more though.
All 40's cards are geared towards high end 4k gaming. 30's seems like high end 1080p to 2k. Anything below down to the 10's series are entry level to bare minimum to play kind of cards. Kinda funny how tech played out like that.
Uhm... 4k 144hz Monitors exist and ive literally had an issue with mine in any game? Or were you talking about 4k optimization in games? If so, yes i agree there are some games that have horrendous performance on 4k but thats fairly rare and mostly only on small new titles.
@@alexwithanx but these monitors suck at hdr. The only solid hdr montitors are the qdoleds and they aren't 4k.
@@gavinderulo12 Im super happy with mine and i dont use HDR. Idk if its just me but hdr always seemed so much worse on any screen ive ever had, be it on the smartphone or PC/TV. Maybe my eyes are weird idk. I have the Samsung Odyssey G7 28" model. The only "issue" ive had with mine is that it could be a little bit brighter but you can adjust that with gamma settings ingame.
@@alexwithanx that's because these aren't real hdr displays. They are often marketed that way but there is much more to hdr than being able to display 10bit color. The channel Monitors unboxed has really good Videos on what makes a proper hdr Display and what makes hdr in general so appealing. But imo good hdr is a MUCH larger visual improvement than the jump to 4k. That's one of the main reasons I still enjoy playing on my ps5 is the excellent hdr implementation on most games. It just looks absolutely jaw dropping on my LG Oled.
In the ones where there are crazy ridiculous differences the 4070 ti is probably vram bottlenecked
which case are u using?
Do you use an open testcase or what case are you using?
It’s crazy on how little difference there is between 70ti and the 4080 but the price gap is enormous!
little? Are you kidding me? 85 fps vs 105 fps seems to be quite a difference to me.
@@pawkaster 20fps for 400$
@@JojneZimmerman what did you expect? Twice performance gain?
@@JojneZimmerman as someone who uses a 180hz expensive high end 1440p monitor i can tell anything above 100 fps feels smooth and good, meanwhile anything under 100 especially at 80-90 fps begins to feel choppy and bad (starting to get that 60 hz feeling again). So yeh i'll pay 400 more for 20 fps
If you observe, the gap between 4070ti and 4080 is almost the same than 4080 and 4090. 25 percent more or less. I think the segmentation was very good.
Is that Raw performance without DLSS? Really gooood 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
nah in cyberpunk dlss is set on quality
Pricing isn't
@@hustleacc8075 ohh, i actually skipped CB part.
@@Tirth-Patel it is, even with inflation, Nvidia gave us a good upgrade from 1080ti to 4070ti for the same price as in 2017
@@CarlBraun3 did you forget about moores law?
4090 is an absolute monster in performance..
not really in terms of price to performance but sure performance only
@@curie1420 if you're buying a 4090, price to performance is the least concern... So that point is extremely irrelevant.
@@eshelmen I wouldn't say "extremely" irrelevant. But I get your point.
@@eshelmen Absolutely not “irrelevant” at all, quite possibly the most important factor. The prices are ridiculous plain and simple
@@pyrohead3166 If money isn't a concern for you, then no. Quit being caveman brain inclined. As he said, if you're getting a 4090, it's quite literally all about performance at that point. As a 4090 owner myself with an I9 -13900KS, it's not about the money.
It’s either a 4070ti or 4090 for me I see the 4080 as useless tbh save money with 4070ti or go all out for the 4090
i literally cant see a difference, am I blind?!?
3 masterpiece card 🔥
but not the size and price
How can you justify 500$ more for another 10-15fps? Talking about 4070/4080
I got myself an rtx 4080 for 1300 now the 4090 dropped to 1640. I could have spend those extra 300 but It also draws 100watt more most of the time....
Exact my case Pop. But I bought my 4080 for 1100 dollars. Amazing! And yes... I could spend a little more for 4090, but 4080 already destroys 4k ultra gaming. For me it is the sweet spot. 4080's energy efficiency is outstanding! it shows how the new chip is a very big leap in technology.
@@leonardomu yeah Im also very happy with it. the 4090 consumes to much for me.
So $400 more for the 4080 for 10-25 more fps?
and another $400 for another 25 fps 🙂
@@OGBouncin94 right? Its ridiculous. Imma wait until next gen and hopefully price to performance gets better. But im not holding my breath
Bit more to it, with the amount of VRAM and bus limitations of the 4070ti. It has been intentionally crippled so it doesn't compete with the 4080. It was probably meant to be a proper 4080 12gb, but then they cut the memory bus and
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Forgot to adjust the price? 🤷🏻
@@hereicomehereigo yeah very true. Its sad that they were originally going to release the 4070ti as a 4080
4090 4K king, 4070 ti 2K king, Why was the rtx 4080 produced?
3k
Honestly? No idea.
@@RicochetForce think price
@@CersionX There is no such monitor.
i dont give 1200 dolar 480 . i am going 4090
RTX 4070 Ti is perfect for 1440p not for 4K so this comparison is lack with QHD
but then the 4090 wouldnt be in its limit probably... so you have to make balance between them
This is a comparison of all cards with the most punishing settings. 4K, max settings, no AI upscaling such as DLSS, etc...
4090 at 1080p and 1440p is bottlenecked by all CPUs currently on the market and would not be able to run at its full ability. Some games are even CPU bound at 4K, such as Forza Horizon 5.
What is the tool to track CPU, GPU, RAM load and fps?
these are all in 4k, right? so there would be significant improvement in 1440 and 1080?
Seems like the 4070ti is perfect for 1440’gaming.
@@zacari99 yup I got one for my 3440x1440 175hz OLED and it's been perfect
Newbie here. Can someone pls explain the differences in the actual graphics and smoothness. I can see a difference in FPS between cards but I'm struggling to actually see that much of difference with graphics between all of the cards. Someone explain please?
They all have the same graphic settings here, so no picture quality difference. The only difference is how many FPS can u push on each card. More FPS means more fluid gameplay which u have mentioned in ur comment!
RUclips limits framerate, you can't "see" the smoothness on a video here, it's just showing the average and 1% low framerates.
FPS means Frames Per Second, the more of it, the smoother the gameplay is. They are all the same graphic settings, they look exactly the same. But the better the card, the more Frames (Pictures) it can load per second, making the gameplay experience smoother. But there are cards of course who can't even run these graphics at all (or it will be so low FPS that it's unplayable).
the rtx 4090 will drop severely once next gen cards arrive and make it look dirt poor, happened to me in the past. don't settle for over priced cards the 4070ti is just fine, the 3070 is just fine, the 3080ti is just fine fow now
Las temperaturas me tienen asombrado es increible ver el 99% de uso y ver menos de 60 grados
Si, y el consumo. Sobre todo el de la 4070ti, es ridiculamente bajo.
@@franciscomarquez7287 la generacion 4000 de nvidia me tiene encantado es cara si pero ver resultados asi vale la pena pagar lo que cuesta
yo no entiendo mucho, pero graficamente no veo diferencia entre la 4070 ti y la 4090, si veo la diferencia de fps pero en pantalla no se aprecia nada...en qué se tiene que notar la mejora?
@@alexmorera1383 FPS jugar a mas de 60 es el estandar en pc pero llegar a 144 es lo mejor asi se aprovecha una mejor fluidez bueno aunque en juegos triple aaa los 60 son suficientes los e-sports y competitivos necesitan 144 en adelante
@@oswardnetosariasmartinez3131 gracias !
why isn't a plague tale updated? it's running the launch version
I'm glad I went all out for the 4090... as I play D4 a lot, and D4 actually uses upto 21GB of VRAM with the 4k resolution that I play at.
Which the game needs to be optimized more. But the 4090 imo is the card that will last and for 99% you wont have to worry bout any game you buy. Like when i had the 4070 Ti i was picky on which games to get and if they optimized. Now with a 4090 i kinda halfway wouldn't care due to the fact i know the 4090 going to push nicely anyway it goes
I have a 4k 120Hz tv. Should i lock my games to 120fps ?
Why is the 4090 so stupidly superior in comparison with the 4080 ? It makes me want to wait for a 4080 ti, it's insane the difference between the two cards, 3080 was the big deal, top tier chip ( 3090/3090 ti ) for 700 bucks.
4090 is not superior. I also believed it and I just tried using both 4080 and 4090. I will keep 4080. Same picture quality, 4090 gets around 7 FPS better. No other difference.
@@00_UU Then you have something with your right Or are just coping. 4090 easily performs +30 percent better in most games which translates to minimum 20-30 fps at 4k in most games. See reviews and maybe do proper unbiased testing.
@@dhaumya23gango75 I found the problem. It was either my motherboard or my RAM. Just replaced both and my PC is flying! 12600 only loads up 80 percent of 4090, so my CPU is the weak spot right now. I will upgrade to 12700F next.
@@00_UU Lol you are clueless. You're held back by your CPU and using lower resolution therefore there is no difference. Give it latest triple A game, 4K resolution and proper CPU and there is a big difference.
@@teemuvesala9575 lol you are clueless. CPU makes no difference at 4K with Ultra settings. Maybe 1-2 fps in AAA games. I just switched to 12900 with a larger 280 liquid cooler and I see no difference in FPS. Because I was already at 4K.
rtx 4090... just a recent game? I think even my old 8800gt runs all that 4k 120fps :P
funny....
resolution?!?!?!?!?!?
Tomando como referencia que la 4080 y 4090 dan un 25% y 58% más de Fps . El precio de aquellas en ningun lugar cumple esa proporción.
4090 vs. 4070ti in FS2020 ... 77 % more FPS. As if the 4090 were another newer generation.
For all intents and purposes, it might as well be. It's regularly 80-100% faster than then 3090.
So much for new generations of gpu's offering better bang for the buck.
Absolutely no one said they would.
I guess an $800 card matching a $2000 card from last generation isn't bang for the buck to Daniel the mong.
There are too many people that think we became spoiled by next Generation cards changing the price to performance ratio for the better. By their logic we can expect the 5090ti to be $4k.
Fairly new to looking at GPU performances, could someone explain how the "ms" affects the performance? Only seen "ms" when you play in Multiplayer/online.
These are milliseconds. The ones that are in the video is the "frame time". To display 60 FPS it should be 16.6ms or less (1s/60). Less frame time means more FPS. For example, to show you 200 FPS your GPU/CPU should render a frame every 5ms.
Less "ms" variation means you'll feel a smoother gameplay, with no or almost no stutterings.
The ms you’re seeing in multiplayer games is the network latency, the ms in this video is referring to frame times which it’s how long it takes the computer to render a single frame.
An easy way of visualizing it is this:
Two people are holding a piece of paper with a picture on it. They're told to run to a whiteboard 100 feet away and stick it to the board and come back.
Person A runs with a steady pace to their steps all the way there and back.
Person B runs with an erratic pace, sometimes walking, sometimes sprinting, sometimes crawling.
Both come back to you at the exact same time. Which one was smoother? That is what the millisecond time is measuring, how consistently are new frames being delivered to the monitor. This is why "60fps" can look rough and choppy or liquid smooth and flawless. Frametime matters more than general FPS. The lower and more consistent the frametime, the smoother the gameplay.
Basically the "ms" here indicates internal latency, aka how long it takes for the system to visually respond to an action you make - like moving your mouse or pressing a key on your keyboard. If you have high internal latency, then your screen will display the corresponding frames later than when you pressed the key relative to how high your internal latency is.
In multiplayer games, the "ms" is your network latency, meaning how long does it take for what happens on your screen, to be transmitted to the game server itself and trigger a validated response - meaning what you see on your screen may not be what the actual game server registers. In online shooters for example, high network latency can make it so that on your screen, you are shooting a person out in the open, but on the game server itself, that person already jumped behind cover and thus didn't get hit. Your internet network latency just didn't forward your input to the game server fast enough for it to register your hit on the enemy player in time.
If we take the same example as above, but use internal latency instead of network latency, you would click on the person to shoot them, but the shot doesn't come through on your screen until the guy jumped behind cover so it looks like you missed.
TLDR;
Internal latency "ms" makes your game feel more sluggish the higher the latency number is.
Network latency "ms" makes your actions delayed on the game server, even if everything looks and feels good on your end.
In Germany with 4090 1 hour 50 Cent gaming
I just installed 4090 and I am getting around 5-7 FPS more in Cyberpunk 2077 over 4080 at 1600p. Picture quality is the same. 4090 is not worth it, I will keep 4080 instead.
Yeah I'm leaning towards that aswell. Hoping it will drop to 1250€ again and just pull the trigger... not happy about it, but I'll be the first to piss on Nvidias grave
Then there is something wrong with your setup. Check all the reviews on RUclips. The 4090 is between 30 and 45 percent faster than a 4080 at 4k.
@@gavinderulo12 yes, already found it. My motherboard and RAM are all new and everything is much faster.
@@00_UU glad to hear that.
@@gavinderulo12 but still 4090 is higher FPS, image quality is exactly the same as 4080. I can only see value in 4090 for people that play very competitive games like CS:GO. Casual games - 4080 is all you need.
4070 TI the best>>>
I've expected 1000fps+ or Something for this price/GB ratio
I expect your wallet doesn't have enough bills in it to buy any of these even if you wanted to.
you should compare luanch drivers for 4080 vs 7900xtx vs current that would be awesome
I am in a bit of huge dilemma here. And I know I shouldn't because of the huge price gap. But, here I am. I currently have GTX 970 (yup, you read right) and I am thinking about building an entirely new PC, because I got old parts anyway.
So, I found RTX 4080 for 1200 euros and RTX 4090 for the insane amount of 2130 euros.
Now, the obvious choice should be the RTX 4080 right? But, why is it that it feels like that 4090 is winking at me, calling for me. I know the reasonable choice is the 4080 but I am willing to pay all that money for 4090.
The plan is to play cyberpunk at 4k + RT Ultra with DLSS and possibly FG. And I also plan to play 4k ultra modded Skyrim. Also, obviously some AAA games and the newer ones for years to come. Any advice is welcome.
if you have money, go for 4090. I think it would last much longer than 4080. I personally have 4070ti and there is not much big difference between 4070ti and 4080 (only about 20% more fps, for much bigger price) 4090 is really expensive, I know, but If you plan to buid a new computer, for at least 6-7 yeas, as I assume from your last GPU, then it would be worth it. 4090 is a total beast and would last much, much longer than 4080 IMO.
@@SaZhei Thank you very much for your advice! Already added RTX 4090 into my cart along with 7800X3D!
Is this 60h or 120hz?
I am still using an RTX 2060 and i'm happy
2060ass сила💪
im using RTX 2060 and not happy
for 1080p sure
@@theplayerofus319 i mean i use my 2060 for 1440p and 4k, i refuse to go back to 1080p it looks horrible on my 32" 4k monitor
@@kaljamaha22 pk i just guesd because my 3080ti is enough for me at 1440p but at 4k its really not THAT good imo
I have a 4080, and even if i had a 4090 id still be using DLSS +FG (which drastically improves frames with little to no perceived lack in quality to the layen gamer) when gaming at 4K. And in this vid it seems youre using dlss for some games but off for others? All in all i get the video is showing the GPU's power with no bells and whistles (except for when you use dlss is some games in the vid).
Please do 13600k + RTX 4070Ti at 1440P and 4k. Everyone wants this comparison badly.
You're welcome...
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Yes we want it for sure
Why does the CPU run hotter on the 4080 and 4090 running Flight Sim, Red Dead Redemption, and Hitman 2020?
the 80 series ti is around a 10% margin of the 90 series(for gaming) for much cheaperjust wait for that. The 24 gigs of vram is what you are paying extra for and is unecessary for gaming, better for rendering and content creation
if you wana use a VR-Headset like the Crystal or the VArjo Aero and use its potential, 24GB are very welcome
@@Kraeuterbutter beside half life there isnt one game worth of playing on vr. Vr and GPU for vr are too expensive and vr games are too trash.
@@erisium6988 sorry,
after 7 years using VR and had and having lot of fun with it i can say:
thats nonsens
for the price of gpu: you are replying here on a thread about 4070ti, 4080 and 4090
so what?
VR does also work with less expensive gpus.. i have a 4080 now, but had lot of fun with my 2070 as well
Ёпрст, есть хоть 1 тест с Path Of Exile на Т16 карте под 5 орбами Делириума, 8ю модами и 4 гилдед скарабеями???
Никто тест не провёл!
Can someone please tell me why the CPU temps are much lower on the 4070TI ?
Less frames per second = less work for the CPU.
The test turned out to be so super-satisfactory, where 4090 went around everyone and confirmed its Leadership and top for Today. I'm waiting for the 4090ti to come out. what she will show and be able to be #1
Thanks to everyone who read this Post. Health Love and clear skies over your Houses...
4k?
4070ti pny verto 900 eur OCed to 3050 Mhz win battle userbenchmark with rtx4080 1400 eur, win on amd 7900xt and near 7900 xtx userbenchmark
The 4080 has 20FPS (avg) more than the 4070 Ti. The 4090 has 15 FPS (avg) more than the 4080. If they make a 4080 Ti, it will be closer to the 4090 than the 4070 Ti is to the 4080. The 4080 Ti will be a better value than the 4070 Ti because it will be closer in (avg) FPS wise than the 4070Ti is to the 4080.
Its more then 15fps between a 4080 and 4090...
I do agree tho the 4080 Ti will be closer to a 4090..
I like the latest games collection. Keep it up.
It's not true. I played Plague Requiem with 3080 at 55 frames.
Next:
i5 13600K VS i7 12700K
I cannot tell the difference at all lol. If you take those numbers out, I'd think they were all played in the same PC 😂. Can someone tell me a timestamp and exactly where I should be looking where I can actually see a difference?
@Fred Dockins my phone is 120hz and I still can't see the difference. 🥺
@@SirCharlesLikesChurros that's because youtube only displays Videos up to 60fps. The whole point of the video are the metrics on screen, because there is no other way to tell the difference through RUclips. The graphics settings and resolution are the same across all GPUs in these Benchmarks.
4070 Ti + DLSS Quality + Maybe knocking a few settings down from “Ultra” to “High” = perfect
DLSS quality + frame generation
4090 best upsell of all time
Hi, 4090 is good for CSgo in 1080p ?
No, because apart from the exorbitant price, you are guaranteed to never max out the card in 1080p because your CPU will become a bottleneck.
that is the true definition of overkill
No I would wait for the RTX 50 series
what does low 1.0% and low .01 % mean?
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Aint worth the price, going with AMD.
Now that cards are so powerful that their achieving almost 144 fps in 4k resolution, it is inevitable that in the next 10 years we will likely see the end of the FPS desire era and people will buy graphic cards for other features.
nah , its just beginning of more sales , game developer will upscale their work and Create games that crush these cards. just like anti life equation , game developer will develop anti Graphic equation
@@hasanjaafar7391 yep, same as storage: higher storage at lower cost = heavier files, videos, games, etc. than before.
If you had any idea how gimped graphics are, you wouldn't be saying this. In actual render applications with truly advanced graphic settings, a single frame can takes hours to render even with a 4090. Real time rendering in videogames have barely scratched the 1% of what true graphic complexity looks like. The more powerful gpus get, the more of the graphic potential will be able to unlock, thus we will never surpass 4k 100fps for high-demand games. We will just see more and more advanced graphic features introduced in each new generation of videogames - pretty much forever until we can accurately simulate real life.
for the price, i will chouse 4070 Ti, and 4 years ahead i will go with 6070 Ti. i will loose 800 grand compare 1.7K gran for 4090
Hello plis i9 12th 12900ks vs i7 13th 13700k
Is this at 1440 or 4K ?
4k
in the next video rtx4090 running chess hehehe
Bro didn’t SWING I’m the Spider-Man section. What kinda cringe is that? Who tf runs for 30 seconds?