Severn Valley Railway helps to build a locomotive for the future | The Harrier Hydro shunter project
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
- You may think that a heritage railway isn't a place for cutting edge technology - but we're here to prove you wrong and give you a behind-the-scenes look at an exciting project we're working on for the future.
The Severn Valley Railway has teamed up with the University of Birmingham to work on a ground-breaking scheme. The Harrier hydro shunter project will see the UK’s first-ever conversion of a diesel locomotive to run on hydrogen power.
Join us as we go behind the scenes in the Kidderminster Diesel Depot where work is already underway. A team of young volunteers are stripping down the donor vehicle to get it ready to receive its new power system.
In this film discover more about the University's Vanguard Sustainable Transport Solutions, its design for its hydrogen-hybrid power pack, how the shunter will work and much, much more.
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Great to see the younger generation being given the chance to participate in the project. Look forward to seeing the next installment.
As a person who lives film, the quality and production of this is outstanding!
Glad you enjoyed it
Well done, brilliant idea. They could look into a hydrogen tram.
Buzz words up the ying yang. Seriously though, it's interesting to see that the 08 is being used for this. It is of course based on the original design of diesel shunting locomotive developed by the LMS. 75 years on and it is at the forefront of new technology again.
I'm going to follow this with interest - of course electrification should be the main thing, but alternatives such as this where that's unsuitable, not currently possible and so on are great. Hope all goes well!
Make sure to keep us updated on this. it is a fascinating aproach and much like the restomods that classic cars are undergoing to electric and hybrid
A hydrogen powered gronk, this is a very interesting project hope it goes well.
Great sounding project I really like that the SVR is getting involved in the development side of rail with the testing of the 69 and now this hydro shunter. I hope the SVR will post updates I would love to see more on this project
Brilliant I love it. There's not many of these around and nobody producing shunters like this. I hope all goes well good luck
Brilliant! I'm really looking forward to seeing this locomotive in use.
We are too - stay tuned to see how the project progresses.
Excellent 👍🏻
Will they fit a 'Wizzo' sound chip and speakers, so it sounds like an 08? Will 150 watts be enough?
very cool
Ive had an idea for an electric steam train simular to the hornby live steam but grand scale.
Steam up on the grid then use a battery pack to continue making steam for the short journey the steam trains make.
Keep the old working even have the same old chuf chuf but mod the boiler and heat source extensively.
As a electrical engineer that's worked servicing mainline trains I'm the man with a plan to keep heritage steam running.
Well, if you have the idea, get some backing and start testing.
Then you truly may be the Engineer to have driven change.
Although, as you will know, change certainly doesn't happen very fast on the railway 🤣
1990s rolling stock still have features from 1970s locomotives despite the incredible wealth of technology available to the designers at the time.
Talk about double revolutionary
It's an amazing project and we're proud to be a part of it!
Good project. Shunting looks like a good application for rail use of hydrogen fuel. Next worthwhile project would be conversion of or new build steam to use renewables or waste, complete with improved combustion, exhaust system, water treatment and standby heating. Look forward to seeing how this will work.
I think the main thing for steam locos would be Gas Producer Combustion System fireboxes, not sure what they could replace coal with - don't know enough on that to comment really. What do you mean by water treatment? I'm tired so forgive me if that's obvious 😅
@@zacm.2342 Steam locomotives will run on anything that will burn. GPCS is for coal and uses restricted air flow through the firebars and secondary air from openings called tuyeres above the fire bed. Coal is not a good fuel due to the damage done by grit and ash and corrosive gases. The old girls need to be protected especially considering the amount of work that goes into their restoration. There is no good reason to use coal except around places like coal mines and perhaps for demonstration purposes. Steam locomotives run perfectly well on diesel oil or similar and in practice are just as efficient but the exhaust is cleaner. Which makes you wonder why they got rid of them in the first place.
Water treatment is something like the chemicals that you can add to central heating systems to protect them from scale and corrosion. The water is made quite alkaline >pH10.
The shunter conversion is probably the best railway application for hydrogen fuel but it needs to be benchmarked against battery electric and fireless steam.
This is a great idea, look forward to seeing the finished shunter. Quick tip, XCP Pro is better than WD40.
Good Luck on Experiment I saw a picture of of your Experiment on the page of the shuttle newspaper I can't wait to see The HYDROGEN powered Diesel but I am going to miss The Diesel engine sound especially the throttle and Clag
so going from Diesel electric to Hydrogen-Electric, would the lower weight due to lack of the engine block compared to a fuel cell cause addhesion issues? also from what i've read below if the hydrogen is generated at night it should be cleaner than some options, end of the day though Diesel is very reliable and easy to produce
Build Hydro steam locomotive from Scratch next ???????
I'd imagine this will come up in the video, but will this be a temporary or permanent conversion? 08's are at least rather plentiful for this purpose
I'd say permanent. Isn't brought up in the video directly, but I don't see why they'd reverse it unless it's a complete failure - which is unlikely, as it's proven tech.
@@zacm.2342 'Proven' - like men on the moon ya mean ?
@@colliecandle the fuck are you on about?
That’s really good news
Wow I can’t wait to hear the hydrogen engine on that diesel shunter
At least 08s aren't rare - they are the most-produced British locomotive And you thought it was the Black Five (which isn't even the most-produced Brutish steam locomotive..that's the LNWR DX Goods).
Next step is for Birmingham Uni and SVR to add hydrogen fuel cells, batteries and electric motors to a carriage which could be used to convert a steam engine train into a hybrid, this will save SVR a lot of money in buying less coal. There isn't any of this story mentioned in the SVR website news section which is odd.
Are you going generate your own hydrogen on site
Bridgnorth live cameras are not working
That won’t be SVRs issue, it will be Railcam, the mainline ones fail all the time.
Okay, I was just trying to provide some useful advice.
Class 08: was I not good enough
Me: no the seven valley railway told me u were the best
Hold the phone, was that a 47 at 0:54
Yes
@@johnclarke2997 it’s 47773 already there; just found out
Can we do something like this with a steam engine?🤔
Diesel fuel takes a million years to make and it is gone in an hour.
Keep up the good work.
Similar projects are being developed in the US, where they say "switching locomotive" instead of "shunting locomotive".
What is not make clear in this video is what sort of hydrogen conversion are they actually doing, is this the old fashioned way of using the hydrogen in the original engine as per a combustible gas, which does not require a lot of work to the engine, or the modern way that converts the hydrogen into electricity.
Both of these have there own efficiency problems i.e. the power that you put into in this case making the hydrogen, is not equal to the power produced by the shunter, even overhead power has losses.
It's a fuel cell they are using.
I love how you ignore the energy costs of extraction and refining of diesel fuel when going on about the energy cost of producing hydrogen. All fuel supplies taken some energy to create and waste energy when being used.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 True but nowhere in the video did it say how the H2 will be produced. He said you can make it via electrolysis but didn't say that's where it's going to come from. I think we can assume it'll be supplied via Air Liquide tankers...which all comes from natural gas. I just wish people were more honest on the source of the energy.
@@edwardbyard6540no we don't. But that's not the issue.
@@neiloflongbeck5705 I was ignoring the cost of extraction and refining of diesel fuel in this instance as this shunter will no longer be using it, so why would I need to mention this in context with Hydrogen. The power output at the wheels is always less than the power put into it.
@@Ashworth-Media except you mention the power put into the making of the hydrogen in your first comment. Which is why I responded with the power needed to produce the diesel. It is a relevant comparison.
What a brilliant idea, where heritage and cutting edge technology came be in harmony.
Let's be honest what ever you think of climate change etc there is no denying the fact that burning fossil fuels does polite the air we breathe so how much better if we had clean air.
What next a nuclear powered steam loco, I don't think so.
So long as the hydrogen comes from renewable electricity and NOT fossil fuels (95% of hydrogen today comes from natural gas) then fine. It is VERY inefficient in any case, and remember that hydrogen is an energy carrier - not a fuel. It's also currently 8x the cost of diesel....
H2 has some great uses but mass transport isn't one of them.
Birmingham Uni press release mentions the hydrogen is from renewables.
Oh the irony 🤪🤣
It's just a gimmick, isn't it? Still, if it gets a bit of publicity for the railway, it's worth while.
SVR should be open, though, about exactly where the hydrogen is coming from.
No Gimmick.
www.bbc.com/future/article/20200227-how-hydrogen-powered-trains-can-tackle-climate-change
@@johnclarke2997 A good article. Still, as far as the SVR is concerned, I still say it's largely a publicity stunt. All publicity is good for the railway, though.
Thats sacrilege, a heritage railway destroying a diesel locomotive to install "cutting edge technonlogy" have you lost the plot, you're supposed to save them not pander to the greens.
Did you not pay attention? It was rusting in a siding for 15 years. The line clearly had no plans for it, this is brilliant.
@@nweston99 Hahaha LOL, am I back in school again after leaving 60 years ago