Dutch Waffen-SS Veterans in Indonesia and Korea
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- After the Second World War was over former Dutch collaborators - veterans of the Waffen-SS - fought in Indonesia (during the Indonesian War of Independence) and in Korea (during the Korean War). How was this possible? And how many Dutch Waffen-SS veterans fought in Asia?
History Hustle presents: Dutch Waffen-SS Veterans in Indonesia and Korea.
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I enjoy your content very much, Stefan! Have you considered making a video about the near 24.000 Belgians serving in the KNIL? A topic little is known even by the Belgians amongst us. Anyway, subscribed champ. Grts
@@jehe4094 Thanks for your reply. I was not aware of this. I am traveling till August 2024 so no video will be made about that topic for months to come.
@@HistoryHustle All the best and safe travels. Thought you might find it interesting... for the idea box
@@HistoryHustle Een bekend lid van de Reiter-SS was Bernhard zur Lippe-Biesterfeld, de latere echtgenoot van de Nederlandse koningin Juliana en vader van de voormalige koningin Beatrix.
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A family member of mine had a former Panzergrenadier as a platoon sergeant in vietnam 1967-1968. He had knocked out a couple Sherman tanks in 1944-1945.
Ironies of ironies ! My mom's pop was a major in the 2nd Waffen SS Panzer Grenadier Div. "DAS REICH "kia mi-7/43 @ the Battle of Kursk !;Mom's uncle was a Colonel in the Luftwaffe kia in his FW190( Focke Wolf 190);fighter plane near Anzio , Italy early 3/44 !
Now , my uncle was kia in NAMS Central Highlands mid-3/68 tail end of bloody TET , nearly 2wks b-4 my 11th bday .
What a chad, fought for freedom off international bullies but lost, we all did in the west.
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just remember its dangerous to name who ever these international bullies are....
@johnm249 That's interesting , and ironic , being that the Waffen SS Division "Charlemagne " consisted mostly of Frenchmen who fought tenaciously on the Russian Front in WW2 , and defended Berlin , in that bitterly fought battle , to nearly annihilation . Many Waffen SS joined the French Armed Forces to picked up where the Waffen SS left off , and that's defending Europe against Communism .
It is something of all times. In the battle of Waterloo there were many units with soldiers, officers and commanders who served in the French Army of Napoleon before, but fought him at Waterloo ...
My old dentist was Romanian and after the German invasion was "drafted" by the Germans to fight the USSR. He did willingly. Eventually was captured by the USSR and offered the choice to go to prison or fight the Germans. He fought the Germans willingly. He ended up in Berlin at the end of war and defected before US/USSR relations went south.Eventually ended up in the US and became a dentist again. Which is what he did in Romania before the war.
Incredible. This man must have seen a lot!
I am glad he lived to tell the tale.
What he had to do to live, I am better off not knowing...
Is he still alive?
That reminds me of a korean guy that was drafted to japanese army and captured by ussr and was a pow until ussr made him fight for them. Then got captured by germany and sent to Normandy to fight for the germans and finally got captured and lived and died in usa
@@HistoryHustle Same thing happened with many prisoners of war, like Georgians, Hungarians and Poles, who ended up fighting for the Red Army after they were given the option to fight or join the Gulag.
A little fun fact: S.Koreans used to wear SS camo uniforms during the Korean war.
They were issued from the UN/US warehouse.
It freaked out the soviets, but they couldn't really do much about it
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Thats part of the best fun facts about ww2, what happened to all the war stuff in the century after. Personally, for me the t34's that fire's by pulling a string in yemen TODAY is the best fun fact
And i think Chile or another smaller south american nation still uses the stahlhelm among with other 80 year old militairy equipment, also ISIS in syria past decade had some working panzer IV's in the front lines, and even vehicles like brent carriers and small old french tanks where used in the middle east by ISIS. in the 50's, syria attacked israel with pretty much 3 full german tank divisions gifted from france, who used panthers and panzers in the last year of the war while liberating france and parts of germany, and syria never trew anything away, so when ISIS overran them all the depots with vintage war equipment got used again,
No match for the 50's american tanks that where designed based on the panther and tiger obviously, but it made syria the owner of pretty much the largest ww2 vehicle museam
Also today the ukrainian army has massively pulled out the kar98k to equip their soldiers with, 80 years old but still as effective and deadly as back then.
Even some MP40's and russian PPSH have been spotted in the ukranian front lines today.
KLO (Korean Liaison Office) units were consist of Koreans with Northern background who were familiar with a terrains and local populace. Members are civilians under unofficial United States military unit 8240, which is not part of South Korean military.
Therefore, the units cannot wear either United States or South Korean military uniforms. Then someone found M44 Waffen SS uniform and issue to the unit. Unfortunately, the handler forgot to remove Eagle patched and caused a confusion among North Korean and Chinese. The Soviets initially believed the UN deployed former SS units into combat and launched a formal protest.
The French foreign legion also recruited soldiers of the Waffen-SS. I figured that that was not the only organization doing this. Also, many top-ranking nazis worked for the Americans, British and French after the war.
I was ggoing to ask if He had done any research on that unit The books are a good read.
Don't forget the Soviets who employed around 5000 nazi scientists after the war.
There was a standing order to not accept former SS soldiers into the foreign legion. Still, some were able to join by lying about their previous service by using forged documents or because their military records got destroyed.
Mark Felton has dealt with subject at least twice. The Waffen SS Nordland Division included Dutch Danes, Norwegian Swede Estonian and others. The US Army replaced their own MP's with Estonian Waffen SS in American uniform as guards for the Nuremburg war crimes defendants. The French, who had the most of these ex-SS soldiers sent many former French Waffen SS directly into the French Foreign Legion where many served in Algeria and Vietnam. It is interesting to hear the political double-talk expressed about the Dutch volunteers for political optics.
Great treatment of the subject!
many nazis we're used as slave labour abroad in america, france etc and the ussr
I have read a book called "Devil's Guard" and it's about an SS soldier that after the war joined the foreign legion and fought in Indochina, truly a very interesting book that was like watching a movie and i recommend it to everyone that wants to learn about the subject..
Keep on the interesting and accurate content my friend I don't lose any of your videos, greetings from northern Greece..
Very good book!
Thanks for replying.
7:29 great book
I also read this book - great reading
I'm sorry to hear this is your last video about Dutch SS. As a Dutchman your videos are so insightful
Thanks! I have nother more to talk about regarding this topic. We discussed it all 🙂
@@HistoryHustle Oh, I have still one more question that hasn't been "discussed" yet: Why did the Dutch fight first so cowardly in 1940? And why did they fight then so gallantly from 1941--45?🙂
@@marcelbork92what a stupid and uninformed question….the luftwaffe terror bombed Rotterdam . Their were many instances of fierce Dutch resistance , but the message was clear ……. Civilians were not going to be spared and the luftwaffe were going to make sure of that .
@@marcelbork92ik zou niet zeggen dat we laf gevochten hebben in 1940
@@marcelbork92 And after the war they 'all' had been in the Resistance... ('handing' over municipal administration, so the Germans could round up the Jews or selling Jews for a pittance....).
I've read that France recruited former SS members to fight for them in Viet Nam as well.
The french foreign legion in indochina had massive amounts of ex ss and wehrmachts volunteers. Some of the FFL marches today are just francified versions off ww2 era german march songs like "westerwald"
I have heard of this as well.
I have read several books on the French Foreign Legion and the presumption that many Waffen SS joined after WW2 is a bit of an urban myth. There is also the myth that thousands were killed in the Indo-China War. No doubt there was some from the former Wehrmacht and Waffen SS that did join the French Foreign Legion but not in huge numbers that is erroneously depicted. Historians of the French Foreign Legion debunk this myth and address it in an academic fashion.The amount of Germans in the French Foreign Legion after WW2 was consistent with the number of German nationals in the French Foreign Legion throughout it's history.
Read ,'The Devil's Guard' wether it's true who knows,but it probably is,i don't if they are Dutch,but 5th SS WiKing had a lot Dutchmen...
The FFL still has German origin war songs among their own.
When I was doing my stint in the conscription army, I once had the chance to talk to Korea veterans. Within their group there were some whom were rumoured to have fought in the Waffen-SS. The "good" guys were constantly needling the SS men about their past with "good-humoured banter". This stopped when one of them lost his cool and wanted to fight but then chose to just leave the reunion party.
Interesting to read. Thanks for sharing this.
Interesting subject! In the 'bataljon Friesland', that consisted mainly of Frisian resitance fighters that volunteered "to free Indonesia", volunteers were specifically screened to see who had shown "bad" behavior during the war. These would mainly be thrown out of the batallion before they departed to Indonesia. It could be that during this volunteer phase other battalions weren't as rigorous in their screening and had former SS personnel in their midst. Or it could be that during the conscription phase because of personnel shortages former SS'ers were conscripted. I bet it's the latter. Guess i will found out tomorrow :)
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Never knew they were SS men figting for my country
Among the war volunteers there were many original resistance fighters so I guess that didn't pair well with soldiers who had previously served with German forces.
Not wanting to throw mud, but by the way some Dutch units "behaved" in Indonesia, one might ask the question if they were still racially indoctrinated and how many blind eyes were turned by official government positions.
@@ottovonbismarck2443 there were certainly incidents/and some units involved with 'excessen' as they call them here. Given that a large part of the Dutch forces were also Indonesian or of mixed heritage, one can question whether the bulk of those were (inter)racially motivated. For sure it was a different time and not up to the standards we now (try) to live by. For sure it was a war and not 'police actions' and every war is hell for those involved. There will also always be incidents in war, which bte doesnt excuse those behaviours.
There were lots of GERMAN SS people working in Viet Nam. They joined the French Foreign Legion.
Hope to cover that one day in the future.
Was thinking the same
A number of former German SS soldiers apparently served in the French Foreign Legion in Indochina. I wonder if some of the Dutch SS did as well.
Perhaps but have found no info on that.
@@HistoryHustleIncluding those who used to serve in the Charlemagne division?
I knew that some Waffen SS vets had served in Indonesia, but not that they did in Korea, as well. Thank you for the video.
Thanks for your reply.
Zeer, zeer verhelderend, Stefan. Dit geeft meteen stof tot nadenken over het immer grijze veld van beoordeling van dergelijke voormalige SS vrijwilligers, en hoe hun acties door volgende generaties te laten beoordelen.
Dank voor het kijken.
They were all mere adolescents and nothing can sway the idealistic views of young men at this age
This reminds me of “De Oost”, a movie about a Dutch soldier who was deployed to East Indies (Indonesia). In the movie it was revealed that his father was a Nazi collaborator.
Nice movie.
Mijn opa heeft gediend bij de ss, en is in 1945/1946 opgeleid bij korps mariniers om tegen de japaners te vechten, maar toen opleiding klaar was, was de oorlog over, hij is toen naar Indonesië gestuurd en heeft daar paar jaar gevochten en later nog in nieuw Gunea,
Tijdens gevechten in Indonesië is hij nog gewond geraakt, en hij is tot zijn pensioen bij de korps mariniers gebleven en als sergeant marjoor geëindigd. Pas na de dood van opa en oma vonden we fotos van hem in duits uniform, dus helaas nooit wat kunnen vragen erover.
Me vader heeft zijn medailes thuis in de vitrine kast liggen.
Bedankt voor de documentaire, wist niet dat er veel meer bij Nederlandse krijgsmacht diende
Heel interessant om te lezen. Dank voor je bericht!
I like the longer videos, especially when it's about a fairly complicated subject. You always do a great job, thanks.
Was a lot of work, I am glad you liked it.
It's amazing work and so much research involved. I'm grateful someone is doing this it's so very important. I can't understand how there aren't millions of subscribers but we all here really appreciate your hard work
Very impressive Stefan, the king of forgotten WW2 battles I'd never know about without this channel
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Great video. Thank you!
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It was prudent and common sense to allow former Dutch SS / whermacht soldiers serve in indo and korea, veterans and good soldiers, would add some extra bite to the dutch forces - great vid , thanks for posting
Thanks Brian!
another well informed, balanced important and timely video. I remember reading Sven Hassells books as a young man and they are still on my bookshelves, totally falling apart paperbacks, they were given to me as a youngster in the Republic of Ireland by an elderly man as he knew i loved anything military. know that I have knowledge of just how many SS men fled to Ireland as its a great place to hide, Anti British, very remote areas, protection given by the P.I.R.A. it makes me wonder exactly who that man was....I do know that the head of the Irish Schoolbook Publishers "Folens" was an interesting character....
Thanks for sharing this.
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Otto Skorzeny bought a farm in County Kildare or Carlow I believe, and there is film of him driving a small tractor in front of the farmhouse. There is also film, or photographs, of him walking in St. Stephen's Green, a park in Dublin. As a pure coincidence, of course, Ireland was in those days run by the Catholic Church.
Pieter Menten was a wealthy Dutch businessman and prominent art collector who bought the secluded Comeragh House in Waterford Ireland, was a colourful character with a SS past also
know of him. lived in ROI BUT Garett Fitzgerald (basically the Prime Minister) had barred him from the country. if this was during present times, then seeing as ROI is part of the EU they might have struggled yo to the same. He never went back to Waterford and died in an old peoples home.
Thank you , yes he was indeed a collector of Old Masters Paintings, especially of the Dutch School. @@mauriceshanahan8758
I knew of a former US Army First Sergeant, who had been in the Wehrmacht during WWII fighting against Americans during the Battle of the Bulge!
Thanks for sharing.
There is a Waffen-SS officer who served in 5th SFG and was KIA in VN interred at Arlington
My great grandfather somehow survived from 41 to 45 on the eastern front. in 45 he was in the battlegroup that broke out west to the US army, the others went to the latvian SS group and got destroyed in the halbe pocket, i respect my grandfather, He got jailed by the US for little over 1 year, Then the netherlands gave him 5 years jail, that turned into 18 months.
He went to work as a militairy trainer after jail, never went to indonesia or korea due to injuries on his legs, but stayed with the dutch army untill 56 or 57.
He told me nobody wanted war so nobody asked why he was training, and the few that knew only respected his veterancy.
In the 80's some people from our home town took initiative to get him prosecuted for war crimes, his older brother was part of the dutch SS police and got beaten to death in 45, my great grandfather was a very happy man and people did not like that.
He was a sargeant( scharfuhrer i think? ) and the higher officers mostly got executed or jailed for life, so they found it unfair, since they felt the under officers actually did the crimes. luckily the government did not see anything criminal he was not already sentenced for.
His stories he told me, are great! he fought with Gerard Mooyman, the dutch soldier who eliminated 23 russian tanks around leningrad, they stayed friends until gerard died in 87,
I also know the war crime stories, yes they did some, but if possible, they just told yes against the officers that ordered villages cleaned out, they never went back to check, since the russians where always couple hours off their positions.
Russia also did war crimes and it was just one big hell if you ask me, each crime fueled the other side to commit more crimes. ( the general staff that is )
One of the crimes he told me is that near leningrad, 30 russians came out of a hole in the ground in their line, they surrendered but they where ordered to shoot them, my grandfather was designated to the firing squad and he had nightmares about that untill he died in 98.
Later on when retreating they where ordered to do ''scorched earth'' tactics, but they felt like it didnt do anything against 5 million russians and tenthousand tanks, so they did not bother. Eventually they ran into a SS general, that ordered them to the halbe pocket to reeinforce the others, and my grandfathers group said nope we are going home.
Very interesting to read. Thanks for sharing.
Ontzettend gave video! Zou je misschien een video kunnen doen over Nederlandse vrijwilligers in de Spaanse burgeroorlog en hun strijd voor rehabilitatie in de jaren er na?
Keep em coming! Ben fan!😊
Dank. Ben tm augustus 2024 op reis dus zo'n video zal er voorlopig niet komen.
A very useful and detailed post script to the Dutch WW2 story. Pity there are so few accounts by the SS men themselves about this post war period but the historical accounts that you draw on give this episode particular depth.
Thanks for watching.
If I were Dutch at that period of time, I would go to jail for a couple of years rather than fight in Indonesia in such conditions, surrounded by partisans...
Some did.
If you survive Russia, i think you are used to alot of stuff.
About 30 years ago a worked in a company whose owner was a senior Dutch man. I got to know him reasonably well and one day he said that he fought during the war. I asked him which country he fought for and he said "For Germany". He said that he later fought in Indonesia. After a while I put 2 and 2 together and realised he was Waffen SS. He talked about how in Europe "Tousands and tousands of bullets were fired, and maybe one man killed", and later how he k**led a man running away with a sub machine gun by firing into the ground and following the bullet hits up until he got him.
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Not to mention the Dutch SS volunteers were able to adapt to extreme environment. From the frozen Eastern Front to the hot & humidity of Indonesia.
Well for sure they werw better against the cold of Korea.
The Story of indonesia - dutch - japan war from 1942 to 1949 is fascinating and i wish someday someone could make a series about it. I heard some japanese and indian sided with nationalist while some local indonesia sided with nederlands.
See my playlist on Indonesia
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Haha. "Some" is a huge understatement. There were hundreds of Indian deserters/defectors in the Indonesian forces, while Japanese holdouts who joined the Indonesians could have numbered as high as the low thousands. On the other hand, the KNIL was predominantly locally recruited and must have included tens of thousands of native personnel; there were also many auxilliary forces such as the legions of the Javanese principalities, although these had dubious loyalties and were notorious for high defection rates to the Republic's forces.
There are books and videos about the (British) Indian Army's excursion to Vietnam, ostensibly to disarm the Japanese forces there. They ended up rearming the Japanese soldiers and Vichy French men to fight the Viet Minh and allow the French Army to regain their old colony. They were under the command of Major-General Douglas Gracey, who went on to be commander-in-chief of the army of Pakistan.
At the same time the Indian Army went to Indonesia to disarm the Japanese soldiers there and did the same thing. I have not seen any detailed account of what they did there. However, Indonesia was historically part of the Indosphere (unlike Vietnam, which was in the Sinosphere) so it was more likely that Indian soldiers would defect.
@@faithlesshound5621 It's not so much about the Indosphere or whatever as the fact that India was having its own independence struggle at the same time, and the Indian Congress explicitly condemned the use of Indian troops to restore Dutch colonial rule. A large number of the Indian defectors returned home after the Dutch handed over formal sovereignty in 1949, and most had their military records rehabilitated by the new Indian and Pakistani governments. Many had successful military careers afterwards.
Another important factor was that the Dutch colonial authorities told the British leadership that the Indonesian independence movement was just a tiny cadre of extremists, but the British found that the new Republic had widespread popular support and this almost immediately soured the Anglo-Dutch relationship in the theatre. Many of the Indian soldiers doubtless saw that their British leaders' hearts was not in it.
@@LafayetteCCurtis It's not surprising that defectors from the Indian Army faced no reprisal. No action was taken against members of the Indian National Army, who had fought on the Japanese side.
very intresting totally unknown subject for me thx keep up the great work
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Great episode ... very interesting subject. Thanks for your hard work putting it together and posting.
Many thanks for watching and replying.
there is folktale in West Java that Hitler actually escaped to Indonesia disguised as doctor and died by old age in Garut.
Interesting folktale.
And anyway, do you know the actual geographical size of the Netherlands?
Have a good look at it and then compare it to the size of the fully armed, militarised state of the then third Reich!
Perhaps you would then like to do a reappraisal of your comment.
Just sayin!
Mooi gemaakt Stefan. Ik ben benieuwd wat de toekomst weer brengt. Succes met het maken van een nieuwe serie.
Bedankt!
Great video about an intersting and not well known topic. I love how you present the facts without bias.!
Great to read. Thanks!
Very interesting and informative! Thanks you Stephan
Many thanks!
thousands of former german army and Waffen SS soldiers served with France, nobody cared what they were before, as long as they could fight. There are also enough former german soldiers serving in the US Army after the war. People with military training were needed, the germans had lots of them after the war, and they needed work/money. Easy answer.
See video please.
Je behandelt altijd de meest unieke onderwerpen!
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Good episode. Thanks for this. I wonder if it is worth doing one on the Dutch UN experience in Korea? I was not aware of them being there but it would be interesting to know how it went, unless they ended up guarding supplies in Panmunjom. Still, might be worth a look.
Thanks, I am traveling till August 2024.
Rest assured that the Dutch UN Batallion were not rear line. They were embedded within the 38th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Indian Head Division, earning two US Presidential Unit Citations and two Korean Presidential Unit Citations. Obviously not for guarding supplies ;). Would be nice to see video's of the Dutch in the Korean war indeed.
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I appreciate your work sir. It's crucially important to document so we don't repeat the past. Thank you very much
hallo Stefan, zoals altijd weer genoten van je kennis!!! Keep up te good work. Gr. Werner
Bedankt Werner. Hartelijke groet!
Very interesting piece of NL military history.Many thanks.
Many thanks for watching!
11:01 at o.25 speed An Indonesia SS volunteers officer looking the tripod binoculars has a Luger pistol holster in his belt and the one in the back with helmet probably just a soldier.
These are images of the Leningrad Front with Dutch Volunteer Legion.
There are many original photos of many Asians German volunteers from different Asians countries during WW2. I have seen a few WW1 Asian German soldiers photos. But many Asians were German volunteers in WW2.
Great video today thanks for what you do and keep them coming 👍
You're welcome. Lots of work this one but it is worth it.
It was another great episode shared by an excellent ( History Hustle) channel.... wonderful introduced by respectful Sir Stefan. This matter is rarely labeled by other historical sources of WW2....thank you for sharing...good luck and best wishes for your channel, and you
Many thanks!!
Ye this is a very interesting topic. Helpful video stefan!
Thanks for your response.
Thanks a lot for this.
Thanks. You're welcome.
this is i wanna hear bec i m trying to find this solid thanks bro kudos to u bro
This will be my last video about Dutch Waffen-SS volunteers. Let's make it count.
One if the best channels on RUclips!
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Great content as always
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Thanks for the additional history considering former members of the SS.
Thanks for watching.
Indonesian war of independence was truly a messy business for both side. For the allies, the revolutionaries were traitors and puppet of Japan while on Dutch side you got these former waffen ss members.
I agree, it was very messy yes.
There was a Finnish man (I forget his name) but he foght the Soviets in the Winter War as a Finnish Soldier, grew to hate communism so much that he continued to fight them in WWII as a Finnish Soldier, then when thebFinns dropped out of the war he joined the SS amd continued fighting communists, then when the War wnded he went to America, joined the US Army, fought in Korean War against communists, then became a founding memeber of the Green Berrets and did multiple deployments fighting them there. I believe he was evem in the John Wayne movie about them. Amazing story.
Lauri Törni.
Thanks!
a lot of people in that part of the world did it from hate for communism (and respect to them for it), Finnish, Estonians, Latvian , Lithuanians. they didn't care about nazism, but hated communism and soviet red occupation
This was a very informative video. Thank you for producing it.
Thanks for watching!
Quite alot of WW2 combatants became mercenaries and fought all over the world particularly in Africa.
I have heard of it yes.
I did know! But thank you for bringing this interesting subject to light.
Thanks for your reply Jan!
Great video Uncle Stefan!, i'm an indonesian student who loved history lesson, and watching your videos, gave me an insight of the Indonesian war of independence from the other side, truly remarkable explanation, thank you, and keep up the good work
Very interesting topic. Thank you!
Thank you for watching.
Great video as always 👍 never knew about this
Thanks for your reply Jake!
The redemption factor for former Dutch Waffen SS in the Korean War is poignant and fascinating...
Thanks for your reply! Folmer was later interviewed. One piece of this I included in the Dutch SS war crimes video.
Uitstekende video. Dank voor het "uploaden' .
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German Waffen-SS fought in Vietnam for the french After WW2
Dien-bien-phu is also called "Last Battle of German Waffen-SS"
They where good fighters and learned nothing than fighting..
Interesting to read.
There are only two Irishman, that we know of that join the Waffen, SS
Their story is pretty legendary
Feel free to share.
@@HistoryHustleStringer and Brady ... both were in the British army and jailed following a fracas in the channel islands. Under German occupation they joined the Waffen SS.
I had a half uncle (now almost certainly deceased) who joined the fight with the Germans against the Soviets. He was either Waffen SS or the Netherlands Legion. My father and another uncle tell different stories. I know he fought in the Eastern Europe. He did not adjust well to post-war Netherlands and this meant he was shunned by his family. My father moved to Canada and lost contact with him. He was probably part of the reason my Grandmother wanted to take her family out of the Netherlands, as he was an embarrassment. So I never met him or heard his stories. His father, whose family raised him, was from a wealthy industrialist family that collaborated with the Germans through their business. He probably got very bored with his life in war time Netherlands. Not sure if he ever went to Indonesia, but he was born there, as my Grandmother was from a colonial family. It was interesting to hear how some of the Church were anti-communist enough to advocate for former SS members. I did not know that.
Canada really loves Nazis. Their parliament even invites them to give them standing ovation.
What was his surname
@@jonaswhale6451 Late reply but perhaps better than never. I spoke to my father who is the source of much of my knowledge about this half-uncle. He would rather not have his surname published. Part of me is disappointed because I would like to know more, but I'm going to respect his wishes. He told me a few more details, one being that this half-uncle told my father that he was upset because he was placed with a German unit or under German officers. He wanted to fight in Dutch apparently.
At a 10,000 person attended gunshow in 1994 i was talking with guy who had a table with lotz of ww2 erc memorabilia..intrigued by a unit patch which had german werhmacht overtones..he said it was from mostly german unit of french legion which served in Vietnam 1947-1953
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Altijd interessant. Bedankt !
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Once again you know how to cover an underexposed, or even unexposed, interesting subject Stefan 👍
Greets from Grun', T.
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@@HistoryHustle : All your hard work is truly appreciated !!
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Your videos are great materials for conducting a proper research. Keep it up. Also please focus on the danish resistance.
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Thanks for your reply. I am traveling till August 2024 so for a while nothing on Denmark.
The enemy of my greater enemy is my friend. that was the philosophy and that is why the denazification was just for the show because otherwise most of the European countries would collapse.
Also it came to a point where Hagana in Israel, the Foreign Legion, and the militaries of latin american countries and arabic country etc were packed with former Waffen SS members no matter is they were German or other origin.
Great video stefan
Thanks for watching.
The Hagana? Non-Jewish members? Not likely.
@@georgemiller151 yeap there were. I was astonished myself when i found it out
Thanks for the Insight, didn't know until today that founding fathers had to face off against experienced former Waffen-SS troops, not just chaotic post-WW2 conscripted occupation force... Another interesting trivia is, the founder/1st commander of Indonesian SF(Kopassus) was former Dutch military man....was he a former dutch collaborator too?, considering he didn't went back to Dutch/Nederland after the Independence day was over.
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Excelente. que buena producción . muy buen video. Saludos desde Punta del Este. Uruguay
Muchas gracias. Espero que voy a visitar Uruguay! Ahora estoy de Cali, Colombia. Tengo un año por viajar Sudamerica.
@@HistoryHustle aquí te espero . Abrazo
Interesting and well done. Thank you
Thanks for your reply.
Prince Bernhard was married to Juliana not Wilhelmina, Wilhelmina was marrried to Prince Hendrik who had already died in 1934. Juliana became queen of the Netherlands in September 1948. (time stamp 7:09)
I stand corrected. Others already pointed this out.
Thank you for this interesting information!
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Easy...my Mom remembers German (ex-wehrmacht OR SS?) soldiers serving in the French Foreign Legion at Madagascar when she was a kid, patrolling the streets of Tananarive and Antsirabé during the uprising, singing marching songs in German (!)
Interesting to read. Thanks for sharing.
the allies called them war criminals and traitors and now when they fighting communism they want the former waffen ss volunteers help aint that a kick the head
See video, it were only a very few.
because they made big mistake, Patton said "we fought wrong enemy", Churchill said "we slained wrong pig"
Biak Island got a mention! My uncle was killed in action there in May 1944.
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Great piece. Thanks. BZ
Did you see the 2014,Korean war exhibition in Rotterdam?
Thanks and no, haven't seen but heard of it at that time.
Haj Steef! Wederom een mooi stukje research van je; ik waardeer je steeds meer! Maar ben je poncke prinsen vergeten? of zit die in een andere aflevering?
Dank voor je reactie. Op dit moment ben ik t/m juli 2024 op reis in Zuid-Amerika. Ik heb al veel video's klaar staan (gepland geüpload), maar het door jou aangedragen onderwerp zit daar niet bij. Ik zou me daar in de zomer van '24 op zijn vroegst op kunnen storten. Dit is echter geen garantie. Ik heb enorm veel projecten op stapel dus het is voor mij telkens afwegen: heb ik de tijd; vind ik het zelf interessant; heb ik bronnen; zit er een kans in dat de video veel bekeken gaat worden? Hoop dat je het begrijpt.
@@HistoryHustle veel plezier, je kan ook een paar vlogs maken
I bet many Dutchmen like former Soviets who served in the Waffen SS Legions and thousands of former German soldiers and SS guys went to the French Foreign Legion either to start over or gotten used to combat from WWII.
Not sure how many Dutch. Did not find much on this.
@@HistoryHustle I bet many. I remember watching a movie back in the early 1980s or late 70s titled March or Die with Terrence Hill and Gene Hackman. The French Foreign Legion recruited many German prisoners of war and former soldiers of other countries after WWI. Very good movie too for me a curious amateur history follower. Like many Europeans after WWII did immigrate to other parts of the world to start a new life or escape from their past. The FFL did get a bunch of hardened combat veterans from the SS in their legions from conquered lands and possibly collaborators from the Netherlands too.
Most if not all Soviet soldiers were sent back to Mother Russia, many against their will because they were tainted by the West. And that was a Stalin no-no punishable by the gulag or death or both.
Thank you That was interesting.
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Wow thanks for the info history nice if people would do research good job thanks👍🍻
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A little information, German SS troops or more precisely troops from the German SS headquarters in Indonesia, they took part in Indonesian independence, for example by lending typewriters to Soekarno and Hatta, and also providing security from the Japanese Army, because at that time only those who were pro-Indonesian independence German SS and also Japanese Navy
Didn't know this..
My grandfather is japanese imperial soldier who become indonesian citizen after war but he say his origin is from formosa
Very interesting to read. Thanks for sharing.
Great video and very interesting.
Thanks for watching.
Not only Waffen SS veterans were recruited to fight in Indonesia and Korea, it was also offered to the father of a friend of mine who served in the D paratroopers (as a Dutchman). He had been dumped in a seminary as a child in D, as his parents thought he should just become a priest. He had no appetite for that and ran away from there, reporting to the Luftwaffe. He served in Greece and in Italy. Was taken prisoner of war in Italy and used his language skills to work for the Americans. After the war, he returned to the Netherlands. He was arrested and imprisoned in Vught. He contracted typhus there and was sent home to die.
He survived. Anyway, because he had been in D service, he lost his Dutch citizenship. Later, he was approached several times if he did not want to go and fight in Korea in exchange for a NL passport. He refused.
He later also always advised his sons and their friends not to join any army.
Intersting to read, thanks for sharing.
SS vets fought in many different armies ..because they are "good" soldiers..even high ranking SSers made it in the Bundesweer to the top /NATO.
Nazi's also worked for the US ..just like that Finnish soldier Tori who was a ex SS become a US green beret and fought in Vietnam
True. See video if you haven't.
Some volunteered, because they were just hungry. Have you forgotten the Dutch hunger winter in 1944 ?
No. See my video on Landstorm Nederland. All covered.
A number of former Waffen-SS joined the French Foreign Legion after WW2 & were in Vietnam at the time of the battle of Dien Bien Phu (1954). In 1956 my uncle, serving with the British Army in Malaya (South Wales Borderers) shot a guy who he thought was either Chinese or Vietnamese, fighting with the Malayan communists. On the body he found a Nazi dagger, which we identified as a NSKK (Nazional Sozialistische Kraftfahr-Korps) dagger due to the inscription on the blade ("Allies fur Deutschland") when he showed it to me in the 1980s. The only explanation I can think of for this is that the Chinese/Vietnamese guy took it from a former Waffen-SS soldier (either dead or POW) serving with the Foreign Legion in Vietnam. It is conceivable that the German was in the NSKK in the 1930s, before joining the Waffen-SS.
Incredible! Very interesting to read. Thanks for sharing this.
A ton of French volunteers in the NSKK deserted to the Waffen-SS for guaranteed frontline combat. Its easy to think other men in the NSKK did the same.
Lots of SS and Wehrmacht later joined the French Foreign Legion. I've met several at Puyloubier.....the Legionaries old soldiers/veterans home/hostel, where if you served in the Legion you have a right to retire to.
I have heard yes.
Hi Stefan. Your videos are great and accurate. However, I found one little mistake in this one. At 7.11 you speak about Prince Bernhard, the German born husband of Queen Wilhelmina. He was the Son in law of Queen Wilhelmine and married to her Daughter Juliana. As we now know Bernhard was a member of the NSDAP before he came to the Netherlands to marry Juliana. But back in the days during WW2 this rumor was already going. Even Winston Churchill did not trust him. During the Indo conflict he was wearing the Dutch uniforms as well which was, with the knowledge we have now, not correct but it shows the chaos then. Did you know we were almost at war with the US for going to Indonesia? Most of the World were against our move but Wilhelmina insisted to go on. One of the main reasons the US were against it was that our Marines were trained at Camp Lejeune during WW2 and we were equipped with US armor. Anyway, that's something for a later story I guess. Keep up the good work
Thanks for your reply! I was aware of the mistake. Others pointed it out already. Bernhard is an interesting person. Have a good day.
fun fact, my business interim mentor who is indonesian, his grandfather .. had sucarno on visits with him as a child at his grandfathers house. he had seen him couple of times as a child he told me it was a very powerfull man in his time and he still had family on linkedin of sucarno on his linked in
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My dad was a WW2 vet and he told me that the Dutch SS was the worst of all the Waffen SS units.
Please explain.
in what way ? The germans were prudent with the dutch not only for propagandist reasons.
@willempasterkamp862 they were the mea est of any other unit of S.S from occupied nations. Bastards, and 2 faced. Then act all happy when Holland was liberated.
that's nonsense. I'm not even Dutch, but I can assure you most viscous in term of brutality were Latvians and Dirlewanger brigade. Dutch were same as most of Waffen SS units
@gennarosavastano9424 ummm.....how can you say that when you weren't even born then to witness any of it?
I have read the novel ‘Monteyn’ wich is the lifestory of a Dutch Waffen SS soldier who went to fight in the Korean war. It’s a good read!
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Yes! That's really a good book to read. Have read it myself and anyone interested in this kind of history should read that book. Also his time in the French Foreign Legion is very interesting.
Is that the story about the Dutch guy who joined the Kriegsmarine, transferred to the army and ended up at Courland ?
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There was a "Soldatenkaffe" in Bandung in 2017. Alle Indonesian WW2 reenactors.
I have heard of it yes. Actually I was in Bandung in 2016 and wanted to see this controversial place for myself but I believe it was closed at that time.
Duidelijk weer gegeven in details goed gadaan
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Dont know much about the indonesian war of independence, except in melbourne the visitng prince of wales asked striking dock workers to load ships bound for dutch forces in indonesia and they refused partly becuase they were a lot of irishmen dockers there who were anti british and partly anti colonial etc this is what i heard - on another note , indonesia, big population and such a mix of islands to fight over it must have been hard , i must read a book on it.
More on it here
ruclips.net/video/RlSXajHiPUU/видео.htmlsi=vC1p0aTWbu_rzc1c
Is that the reason why many Dutch soldiers were so brutal in their treatment of the Indonesian populace during the Indonesian Independence War?
So, they applied what they learn in Waffen SS to the Indonesians?
Think you should watch the video.
Great Video!!!!!
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I knew one day someone would cover this topic
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And some of these guys moved to New zealand after they did their time in Indiana. Because they didn't want to go home
Didn't know this.