Excellent discussion. You speak the truth. I am 56 years old and have experienced some of the many issues you have discussed. Because I keep a log of workouts it is rarer for me to overreach or overtrain, but still possible because of my competitive nature to be my best and keep up with the competition on training rides or races. My training log helps greatly to see on paper how one can start to slide into the stress zone. .Important signs for me to notice are; 1- resting heart rate gets higher 2- mental concentration and competitive aggressiveness weakens. 3- takes longer/can't recover from big days 5- Negative mood change 6- stress from relationship or work have effects. 7- wake up with sore throat Thanks for sharing knowledge.
When I have had an exceptionally good ride, I mean a real standout, I know it's time to ratchet back. Too many times in the past I would get excited, and think WOW, let's run with this, only to get sick.
In May, I overreached so far that I was tired after the warmup, turning the 20 km recovery ride into a trainwreck. After a week of staying off the bike, redid the route and it took me 2 hours. One week later, it took 1.5 hours. Now I'm in week 4 and feeling the rebound. Psychologicaly it's a torture to wait for the next training. I'm very enthusiastic about it but I'm holding myself back and doing things as scheduled, not as I feel like. Those 2-3 weeks scared the hell outta me. Had constant weakness in the legs. Every time I went off to work and had to go down the stairs, I had the feeling the legs will give up midway and I crash. I had zero issues with sleep (actually it was very good) and my mood was on top, while in the resting period, but the legs just couldn't handle any level of effort.
This was me after 6.5 weeks of radiotherapy, the first time in years I had so much time to train, the stress of cancer, and its treatment. Looking back no wonder i was fatigued out.
Eat fresh veggies! As a person an endurance athlete I just want to reiterate the importance of staying on top of quality nutrition. When my diet would slip (not eating enough fresh veggies) I systematically degrade to the point of weakness. But while maintaining a quality diet I could easily maintain 400/500 consecutive miles weeks.
In line with their discussion. Ive been trying to rid the effects of a chest infection for over a month and now on steroids, everyone else in office (non cyclists) who suffered the same illness recovered after a few weeks. So frustrating.
With regard to the comment about endurance athletes exhibiting signs of Upper Respiratory Tract Infections, a bodybuilding friend of mine made the comment that right before a competition most of the competitors are sick (from the stress and over training).
Gents, good discussion as always thank you. Forgive me if I’ve missed it but have you ever focused a discussion on returning to training after covid recovery?
There's a nice discussion of actual overtraining syndrome and its impact in the TrainerRoad Forum: forum.trainerroad.com/t/overtraining-syndrome-a-bit-of-info/18814
Any advice? I had a great time for 2 years. Sleeping 4hours a day, night sweats, perfect recovery, always feeling fresh and ready. Running volume of 130km/week. 5k Tempo runs every day. Hard weight training 3 times a week, progressed from 25min 5k down to 15min 5k. Lost 20kg body weight. Then got an injury. Now, 3 months of low milage, low intensity, injury pretty much recovered, but I have phantom pains (injury related) and feel flat even after low intensity workouts. After a long run or a tempo run feel really tiered. Now I sleep 8 hours, and feels like not enough. Any Idea what happened?
We definitely recommend checking in with your primary healthcare provider. Its likely that your body is now trying to tell you it needs to 'catch up' from the trauma of losing 20kg and doing all that work on such little sleep, but a doctors advice, some tests and likely bloodwork will help substantially. Take care of yourself!
This is good timing! Kwiatkowski seems like he is either experiencing non-functional overreaching or close to it: cyclingtips.com/2019/07/kwiatkowski-hopes-to-find-joy-daily-news-digest/ I don't think I've ever actually reached non-functional overreaching - fatigue for sure, but nothing too serious. I'm curious how many other people have experienced this?
My Whoop was a nightmare(4.0). It was kinda accurate for my sleep but it was terrible for everything else. It never went more than 3-4 days without some kind of hilariously bad data. From made up workouts I never did to holding sustained heart rates that I can't even tickle. It threw off all my readiness numbers because it never came close to recording my data accurately. And this is with the Whoop 4.0. They sent me a new sensor and the first two workouts I did were a terrible joke. 20beat dips and spikes
Excellent discussion. You speak the truth. I am 56 years old and have experienced some of the many issues you have discussed. Because I keep a log of workouts it is rarer for me to overreach or overtrain, but still possible because of my competitive nature to be my best and keep up with the competition on training rides or races. My training log helps greatly to see on paper how one can start to slide into the stress zone. .Important signs for me to notice are; 1- resting heart rate gets higher 2- mental concentration and competitive aggressiveness weakens. 3- takes longer/can't recover from big days 5- Negative mood change 6- stress from relationship or work have effects. 7- wake up with sore throat Thanks for sharing knowledge.
When I have had an exceptionally good ride, I mean a real standout, I know it's time to ratchet back. Too many times in the past I would get excited, and think WOW, let's run with this, only to get sick.
Ratchet back on that particular day as in stop riding today?
In May, I overreached so far that I was tired after the warmup, turning the 20 km recovery ride into a trainwreck.
After a week of staying off the bike, redid the route and it took me 2 hours.
One week later, it took 1.5 hours.
Now I'm in week 4 and feeling the rebound.
Psychologicaly it's a torture to wait for the next training. I'm very enthusiastic about it but I'm holding myself back and doing things as scheduled, not as I feel like.
Those 2-3 weeks scared the hell outta me.
Had constant weakness in the legs. Every time I went off to work and had to go down the stairs, I had the feeling the legs will give up midway and I crash.
I had zero issues with sleep (actually it was very good) and my mood was on top, while in the resting period, but the legs just couldn't handle any level of effort.
This was me after 6.5 weeks of radiotherapy, the first time in years I had so much time to train, the stress of cancer, and its treatment. Looking back no wonder i was fatigued out.
I wish I watched this video 1.5 years ago. Thank you for this valuable content!
Eat fresh veggies!
As a person an endurance athlete I just want to reiterate the importance of staying on top of quality nutrition. When my diet would slip (not eating enough fresh veggies) I systematically degrade to the point of weakness. But while maintaining a quality diet I could easily maintain 400/500 consecutive miles weeks.
In line with their discussion. Ive been trying to rid the effects of a chest infection for over a month and now on steroids, everyone else in office (non cyclists) who suffered the same illness recovered after a few weeks. So frustrating.
Amazing discussion,
Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
With regard to the comment about endurance athletes exhibiting signs of Upper Respiratory Tract Infections, a bodybuilding friend of mine made the comment that right before a competition most of the competitors are sick (from the stress and over training).
Great episode👏🏼
Gents, good discussion as always thank you. Forgive me if I’ve missed it but have you ever focused a discussion on returning to training after covid recovery?
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@@TrainerRoad awesome thank you!!
Miss you chad! Damn
There's a nice discussion of actual overtraining syndrome and its impact in the TrainerRoad Forum: forum.trainerroad.com/t/overtraining-syndrome-a-bit-of-info/18814
Any advice?
I had a great time for 2 years. Sleeping 4hours a day, night sweats, perfect recovery, always feeling fresh and ready.
Running volume of 130km/week. 5k Tempo runs every day. Hard weight training 3 times a week, progressed from 25min 5k down to 15min 5k. Lost 20kg body weight.
Then got an injury.
Now,
3 months of low milage, low intensity, injury pretty much recovered, but I have phantom pains (injury related) and feel flat even after low intensity workouts.
After a long run or a tempo run feel really tiered.
Now I sleep 8 hours, and feels like not enough.
Any Idea what happened?
We definitely recommend checking in with your primary healthcare provider. Its likely that your body is now trying to tell you it needs to 'catch up' from the trauma of losing 20kg and doing all that work on such little sleep, but a doctors advice, some tests and likely bloodwork will help substantially. Take care of yourself!
I'm not experiencing sleep issues after increasing my volume by 5x...however I feel like I've lost all testosterone. Not sure if I'm overreaching...
how do you control yourself to get quality sleep??
Make sure you have great sex before going to sleep.
@@bikedawg I always have great sex! She on the other hand would disagree! hahahaha.
This is good timing! Kwiatkowski seems like he is either experiencing non-functional overreaching or close to it: cyclingtips.com/2019/07/kwiatkowski-hopes-to-find-joy-daily-news-digest/
I don't think I've ever actually reached non-functional overreaching - fatigue for sure, but nothing too serious. I'm curious how many other people have experienced this?
Get a Whoop Strap and take out the guessing game of when you are overreaching
That’s not a 100% indicator either.
People report breaking records on “bad” recovery days and performing horribly on the “good” ones.
My Whoop was a nightmare(4.0). It was kinda accurate for my sleep but it was terrible for everything else. It never went more than 3-4 days without some kind of hilariously bad data. From made up workouts I never did to holding sustained heart rates that I can't even tickle. It threw off all my readiness numbers because it never came close to recording my data accurately. And this is with the Whoop 4.0. They sent me a new sensor and the first two workouts I did were a terrible joke. 20beat dips and spikes
I swear the guy on the left is smarter than the other blokes
He certainly seems to talk the talk. Lol