How can you thumbs down this. I have bee riding for 40 years. This is a what a skilled person can do and what man v machine is all about in sport racing. you probably thumbs down this because you are that guy riding a bike that is too big for your skill level.
Rachael N Tony Shram You must not weigh much either. Mad skills there! I have never seen a 250 stick with the big bikes like that. Well except for once but it was a very small guy with a race purpose built 250 on a very small track. You must have been riding with a level 1 or 2 group though. A 600 should be able to top out on that track.
Amen! Iv been riding for almost 20yrs and i loved this video! Iv riden everything from old GP bikes, 1970's H1 widow maker to yamaha RD400s and i love everything in between. The ninja 250 reminds me of a 1987 yamaha YSR50 on steriods! Just picked up a 2007 ninja 250 and i love her! Only 3000 miles and in perfect shape
O yes it does! Those guy are slow as fuck! Probably some c group rider. If he had a bigger bike he will go even faster. As equal rider a bigger bike will be faster but I think even with a good scooter like a tmax I can keep up with those slow guy without to much problem!
Velotrol daka I dont fully agree, Where I live there is a fellow by the name of Jason Ferrell, holds track records all over the place. He has records on his zx6 aswell as on his zx10. the zx10 is faster but on small tracks like BFR there is like a 1.5 second difference. the smaller the bike makes it easier to "enter" a corner...however it doesnt corner any faster ...if anything the zx10 has a wider rear tire allowing for higher lateral g. Wouldnt you agree?
Yeah but on a smaller bike you should use different lines and on top of that smaller bikes can maintain higher corner speeds than bigger bikes so you wouldn't be able to keep up with him anyway..but of course when I meet such a guy on a track I ride behind him for some time just to learn ;-)
Yeah, it's true some lines would be different. Sadly I haven't meet anyone like that (crazy fast on small bike), and my track bike is duke 390, so I have rather hard time keeping up with fast guys on bigger bikes. :D
Exactly! Follow his line and body mechanic's and get my ear chewed off by what he has to say. Take a notebook/record what he has to say. Lol #alwaysastudent
Every time I think about getting a bigger bike (current ride 06 Ninja 250) I watch this video. The reality sets in....I still cant ride like this...putting away the checkbook. :) Good money saver.
I love watching this. I ride with a large group all the time. I'm on a 250r ninja. They blow me away on the interstates but on the country rides I'm all over them.
Looks like a club racer in a beginner group track session. There is a big difference between bringing your sport bike to the track, i.e. those sport bikes with license plates, and a track-prepared bike. Difference in tires, having warmers, right gearing, retuned engines, exhaust flow can all contribute to a 250cc bike being able to keep up with 600s. But at the end of the day, it is the rider, and he who has ridden more at the track and knows the lines and brake markers will be faster. 250s are a great way to get into racing.
Very, very impressive. Modified or not, I can't tell. But the sheer fact that the 250 can even hang with these guys is nothing short of amazing. Great riding.
Times around Laguna Seca (post 1988) ------------------------------------------------------ 1m06: F1 car (best recorded time) 1m21: Moto GP. 1m22: Superbikes (Short track... motogp and SBK virtually equal) 1m25: Top tier 250cc kart racers 1m40: Top tier 125cc kart racers 1m53: Thise guy.... which is fast on a 250cc 4 stroke 2 wheelers...
@@federicor.4813 I agree. My comment was not intended to diminish in any way what this guy is doing on the bike. I raced 125 two strokes karts... They are fast as hell and the tires grip like you're on rails... No no... Kudo to this guy. I wish I could ride half as good as he does on my bike... My balls shrink on a regular track and they do the same just WATCHING him enter the corkscrew on this video. I had the chance to walk Laguna Seca a day it was empty. I can tell you that TV does not convey very well how steep that corkscrew is :-0...and you sure don't want to come in too hot cause you'll get your wheel(s) of the ground then... no turning no braking :-000...
This is a great video for anyone with a small bike who's looking to upgrade to a big bike because they've 'gotten bored of it' or they've 'grown out of it and need more'. Can you do this on your small bike yet? If the answer is no, you don't need an upgrade ;}
The rider in this video is a professional. You're saying only people who can do this or better can ride over 250cc bikes. Hence only professionals can ride them.
very skilled rider on the 250. Sadly all the skill in the world still won't make up for the lack of straight line speed against a 600 or a 1000cc bike. He is definitely the better rider and can brake later and carry more speed on the corners but when the straightaways come the 250 gets murdered by the bigger bikes. Kudos to the skill of the guy though.
This is not about winning, it's about improving your skill. If the rider on the 250 wanted to win, all he had to do was get on a 1000 cc bike. Problem solved in 5 minutes. The other guys on big bikes though...they have to practice for years to come.
Capcatrei I know what you're saying but I'm not sure if it's just as simple as that. It's easier to judge each corner's braking point, and bleeding off speed in a smaller bike than it is a big bike. Putting him on a litre bike means he'll have to bleed more speed coming into a turn, and altering his braking point earlier. I think just because he calculates where, when and how much well on a 250 doesn't mean he'll recalculate it perfectly, automatically on a liter bike. At least not immediately IMO.
He exited the track at the same time so I’m pretty sure he really didn’t get smoked!! That looked fun I guess my 250 is now going to be my track bike!!
this confirms it for me. first bike for sure a 250. All I care about right now is technique, skill, and handling. this just proves everything for me that i've been trying to tell myself instead of giving into the 600cc peer pressure.
Also being a Ninja250 rider, I tried this in some smaller track in Taiwan... and I know the feeling! It's Great to pass some big bike in corners. But it's a small track that I rode... mostly under 100km/h (front line about 125~130 km/h for ninja250). On Laguna Seca, it's a total different story. Very, very, very impressive, very incredible, very unbelievable, good on you man!! You're good!!
it does not matter the type of bike you're riding. It's all about experience of riding! They lost only because this dude has sharpened his skills with smaller bike and imagine what will happen if he was to get on 600 and They're to get on 250....YES, HE WILL FLY TO THE MOON :) BRILLIANT WORK SIR!
You know the power of the bike in the straight line and the driver in the curves, i think you are a better driver than then, they just have bigger bikes, great race day man!!
@@MJT-DA Did you miss the point of this video? Picking a bike for cc's sake is silly business. A smooth rider makes a fast bike.. Not: a big bike makes a fast rider.
Do you know how much it takes it improve on the track? I'm more amazed you think once a bike passes them in the corners the next lap they have corrected all their shortcomings and are able to take the corner faster.
Well put, Logan... the way I like to phrase it is "the purpose of a downshift is to be in the proper gear for corner exit"... thus it takes some prior experience with that particular corner on that particular bike to know how many downshifts are necessary. Side note: I see a many newer track riders shifting WAAYY more than necessary. A good way to figure out your shift pattern for a certain track is by doing laps shifting as LITTLE as possible and increase the number of shifts as necessary.
This showed what i expected. The smaller lighter bike is far easy to get around the corners but can't keep up down the straight. The one thing i didn't expect however was your riding skills. Seriously well done you have some mad skills there.
This is why i love my ninjette. Shes so light and controllable, does anything i want her to. Perfect bike for carving the corners like a nice turkey dinner.
Yeah. When guys get to this point they are allowed to say stuff along the lines of "I need a bigger bike" because they've pretty much mastered the bike they are on now.
I have just sold my ,04 YZF R1 and bought an old ,99 Honca CB500. I am no profesional racer - but was doing some trackdays on the R1 before and always liked the idea of improving the skill and riding on track. One thing I can say - I had SO MUCH MORE fun on the CB500 compared to R1 on track :)))) ...I finally have a bike which I am not affraid of. I can push a lot, trying to find limits. And the only thing how to improve the laptimes is by improving the racing line, cornering speed. Accelerating sooner, braking later. All of that I can manage on the CB500 without sh*tting my pants. ...on the R1 my lap times were of course a lot better - but I was constantly in stress, owerhelmed by so much power with so little riding skill. I will definitely ride a liter bike on the track in the future again, but I see my little Honda as an important skill-enhancer for this part of my riding life. I can honestly recommend it to everybody, ho really wants to improve their skill, and was not startring on small bikes and started on a big bike, which is really difficult to handle (by that I mean mastering it to a point, that it is the BIKE which is the limit, not yourself) :)))
Or he can just keep on keepin on on that bike. Ive been on a cbr250 for 17k miles sure i thought i needed more power at first but then i just got better and better and i was able to carry a lot more speed through every turn. And Frankly once you can carry speed theyre fun to ride, Flickable, Light, Cheap to maintain, Super fuel efficient and i have no troubles with the freeway.
Great video, Logan. As a former EX500 and now SV650 racer, I have a soft spot for the lightweights and it's a lot of fun playing with the big boys. Makes for a great challenge and teaches you a lot about racecraft and planning out your passes.
I used to hustle an EX500 around Willow Springs. I always felt the frame was too weak and I constantly overwhelmed the front single disk by about lap 3. Around the middle of lap 3 the front brake felt like a giant sponge ball. I was afraid to death it would disintegrate or lock up and glue itself to the pads. It was sort of fun giving it full throttle up the hill on turn 6, then never shutting off till turn one. I also hated the fact it had dual 16 inch tires. When they started to slip out from under you, it happened really fast and it was difficult get them back under you. Front-end chatter around turn 2 was the worst.
U can tell the pure skill when he lost in straight and catch up soon in the next turn, later barking point, better control of throttle make all this happen! Respect to the real rider.
I give the guy props for riding fast as hell and keeping the throttle fire walled the hole time. Sometimes it isnt the race you win thats the best one it doesnt even matter if you are the fastest guy out there, you could even be the slowest guy on the track all the matters is that moment in time where everything is working right and everything is perfect that gives you the most joy in life.
The gear changes are more about accelerating out of the corner, so you can experiment. You want to drop down to a gear that puts you in a good place in the power band when you hit the apex, but you don't to drop down so fast that you fishtail or blow your engine up. I do it by having a good sense of how my engine should sound (rpm), and use the clutch to keep the rear stable. If you bog on exit, add another downshift. If you overrev the motor and slide the rear, downshift later or not at all.
i'd really like a 250cc for a dedicated track bike. I am a small rider and want to get into track days next year. I feel like I would learn a LOT more starting on a bike that I could give it all on. Thanks for this video! It does show it is not how fast your bike is, but your riding skill that really makes the difference.
Excellent lines.. this video is a fine example how good throttle control, proper race line, and using the whole track is key! Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast! This is why when i take my RGV250 to streets of willow and own all the litre bikes.. they wonder what in the world...
For any of those watching who do not know racing or bikes. What this video demonstrates is: Although the bigger bikes have more power and can easily overtake the little 250 on the straights, the 250 is more nimble, lighter, and has greater acceleration. The rider is using this to his advantage on the sharp turns to not only stay in the race, but surpass some of the bigger bikes several times.
The ninja rider was more brave with throttle in and out of turns but the smaller bike is definitely inferior when it comes to acceleration and top speed
Awesome riding, great lines especially the hairpin and corkscrew, and overtaking on outside lane like a BOSS. It was like the 1986 motocross of the nation when Johnny O'Mara with production 125 out rode David Thorpe on a HRC factory 500.
the Corkscrew is a type of chicane, the left right that is at the end of the rise to the top of the hill that drops down severely in the right hand part of the corner. Chicanes are usually a compound corner involving a right-left or left-right in quick succession.
This made me smile man, My first bike was a 04 250 Ninja and in school I was made fun of because of my small bike. They called me a woose and other names for getting a 250 but hey they did not undertsand that these small bikes are so agile and fun to ride, Great vid!
I was a Former SV650 and 650R ace so i know all about that feeling of getting passed on the straights, the big bikes to me were a birm for me lol Good STUFF!
Nice one! Clearly a advanced rider poking around in the Intermediate group. Me and a mate got 'officially banned' from 'B' group a few years back after doing the same antics on two 600cc bikes. I am thinking of selling my R1 to go back to 600, a lot of fun!
that was lovely rideing i guess this guy has realy learnt this track great lines he has the bike handleing like a dream love the passes around the outside well done logan
That is part of the reason why manufacturers chase weight, and it has come down over the years, giving quicker transitions and faster cornering, and part of the reason bikes get quicker. As the video shows, a big engine and lots of horsepower dont always mean quick laptimes, but they do bring me lots of smiles! Hence why a hayabusa isnt a track weapon! It feels like a lot more work keeping up with friends on 600s through the corners when on my r1.
everyone is fast in a straight line, but under braking, corner speed, exiting, that's where the skill level or lack thereof will start to show. Nice lines, nice vid!!
This just goes to show: it dosn't matter what kind of bike you ride. The person with the better skills will always be faster. Any buffoon can pass on the straights, but it takes real skill to consistantly pass on corners. Well done sir.
omg, this was orgasmic... i couldnt stop giggling the whole way through... i love the line you take when your overtaking in the corners, your so far in front of a 1000cc bike out of the corner! its so fun to watch!
Fair point. Did you have you had a look at record corner speeds at circuits? More physics! An object with less mass will exert less force onto the the tire's footprint. Although the smaller bike may be fitted with a correspondingly smaller tire size, the actual contact patch will not be significantly smaller to affect a difference here. Corner speed is about traction and weight. Also a 250 can corner faster because of the fact that there is less of a gyroscopic effect from the motor.
Riders who started on high bikes hate this truth. 250/300 bikes are MUCH funner on windy roads and mountain passes. Because they are much more nimble and usually lighter than its predecessors these bikes perform almost perfectly in these types of situations even passing a more reluctant driver on a much bigger bike. As to not trigger others Yes you go real fast on the straights faster than me. I leave you with this awesome truth that can never be changed. "It's the rider Not the bike" that is all. 250 bikes are damn cool remember that.
How can you thumbs down this.
I have bee riding for 40 years.
This is a what a skilled person can do and what man v machine is all about in sport racing.
you probably thumbs down this because you are that guy riding a bike that is too big for your skill level.
Rachael N Tony Shram You must not weigh much either. Mad skills there! I have never seen a 250 stick with the big bikes like that. Well except for once but it was a very small guy with a race purpose built 250 on a very small track. You must have been riding with a level 1 or 2 group though. A 600 should be able to top out on that track.
Amen! Iv been riding for almost 20yrs and i loved this video! Iv riden everything from old GP bikes, 1970's H1 widow maker to yamaha RD400s and i love everything in between. The ninja 250 reminds me of a 1987 yamaha YSR50 on steriods! Just picked up a 2007 ninja 250 and i love her! Only 3000 miles and in perfect shape
It's a lot more fun to go fast on a slow bike, than it is to go slow on a fast bike.
Quicksilver MK i also agree...☺
true a light bike/car can make fast corner
it's a lot more fun to go fast on a fast bike
I am an owner of a Hayabusa gen 1 I'm a fan of this stuff like you said going fast on a slower bike showing your with better skills than the others
Yess!!
Funny to see the bigger bikes pass you on the straights, and then you pass them in the corners. xD
Any idiot can go full throttle on straights, its only in the corners that you can see who has the skill.
O yes it does! Those guy are slow as fuck! Probably some c group rider. If he had a bigger bike he will go even faster. As equal rider a bigger bike will be faster but I think even with a good scooter like a tmax I can keep up with those slow guy without to much problem!
Velotrol daka I dont fully agree, Where I live there is a fellow by the name of Jason Ferrell, holds track records all over the place. He has records on his zx6 aswell as on his zx10. the zx10 is faster but on small tracks like BFR there is like a 1.5 second difference. the smaller the bike makes it easier to "enter" a corner...however it doesnt corner any faster ...if anything the zx10 has a wider rear tire allowing for higher lateral g. Wouldnt you agree?
knupder giv me a break
Velotrol why
4:06 love how he blocks your line, waves you ahead and sits there wondering why he hasn't been passed
These guys... If I were there I wouldn't even try to overtake him on straights. They could've learned so much watching him from behind. :P
Yeah but on a smaller bike you should use different lines and on top of that smaller bikes can maintain higher corner speeds than bigger bikes so you wouldn't be able to keep up with him anyway..but of course when I meet such a guy on a track I ride behind him for some time just to learn ;-)
Yeah, it's true some lines would be different. Sadly I haven't meet anyone like that (crazy fast on small bike), and my track bike is duke 390, so I have rather hard time keeping up with fast guys on bigger bikes. :D
Exactly! Follow his line and body mechanic's and get my ear chewed off by what he has to say. Take a notebook/record what he has to say. Lol #alwaysastudent
Your so right!
Every time I think about getting a bigger bike (current ride 06 Ninja 250) I watch this video. The reality sets in....I still cant ride like this...putting away the checkbook. :) Good money saver.
Watch the 250cc in the go cart track I have a zx10r and it makes me want to get me a cheap 250cc for the track so I can learn.
Jason Roy ... that's no joke lol I'm on a 250 and realized I'm not even close to outgrowing this bike. Lol
@@josephcarroll2140 Here is the Guy at the Go-Cart track
Insane skills Boy is he good
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@@paulfensome1404 you are right!
Fantastic lil bike
I love watching this. I ride with a large group all the time. I'm on a 250r ninja. They blow me away on the interstates but on the country rides I'm all over them.
Most people do improve some. Maybe you don't. Oh well
it's not the bike. it's the rider
maybe a little of both. but, more rider than bike
haha, i got a 250 my self, I always tell my self this, till we get up to 60mph, then a 600 opens up and leaves me in the dust.
To be fair, the ninja 250 is an absolute legend. But yes the rider is wicked!
Every time I watch this, it puts a smile on my face.
Skill trumps power
It's in the curves where the real action takes place... Love this video.
Looks like a club racer in a beginner group track session. There is a big difference between bringing your sport bike to the track, i.e. those sport bikes with license plates, and a track-prepared bike. Difference in tires, having warmers, right gearing, retuned engines, exhaust flow can all contribute to a 250cc bike being able to keep up with 600s. But at the end of the day, it is the rider, and he who has ridden more at the track and knows the lines and brake markers will be faster. 250s are a great way to get into racing.
Ya this guy going against noobs doesn't make much sense
@@kk-qu1zc yes and from 9:00 and then noob was faster also in the corners...
looks like a lot of fun
ShawnRector very suprised...250 can indeed keep up with the big boys....he takes them on the bend!!!!!
Very, very impressive. Modified or not, I can't tell. But the sheer fact that the 250 can even hang with these guys is nothing short of amazing. Great riding.
Times around Laguna Seca (post 1988)
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1m06: F1 car (best recorded time)
1m21: Moto GP.
1m22: Superbikes (Short track... motogp and SBK virtually equal)
1m25: Top tier 250cc kart racers
1m40: Top tier 125cc kart racers
1m53: Thise guy.... which is fast on a 250cc 4 stroke 2 wheelers...
The kart 250 cc Is 2 stroke . Much more powerfull than this bike
CART set times at or below 1:08. Look up Alex Zanardi, Bryan Herta, etc.
By kart I meant Go-Kart. I did not look at the times of the CART cars... but makes sense they should be fairly close to the F1 times.
@@federicor.4813 I agree. My comment was not intended to diminish in any way what this guy is doing on the bike. I raced 125 two strokes karts... They are fast as hell and the tires grip like you're on rails... No no... Kudo to this guy. I wish I could ride half as good as he does on my bike... My balls shrink on a regular track and they do the same just WATCHING him enter the corkscrew on this video. I had the chance to walk Laguna Seca a day it was empty. I can tell you that TV does not convey very well how steep that corkscrew is :-0...and you sure don't want to come in too hot cause you'll get your wheel(s) of the ground then... no turning no braking :-000...
This guy is awesome. Its not just the CC but the right skills that makes this guy awesome.
This is a great video for anyone with a small bike who's looking to upgrade to a big bike because they've 'gotten bored of it' or they've 'grown out of it and need more'. Can you do this on your small bike yet? If the answer is no, you don't need an upgrade ;}
I don't agree with that lol
tiredpandabear No doubt because you can't do what he's doing ;)
Hagz500R So you're saying only professional riders are allowed to ride over 250cc bikes?
XCo Gamin you have to define 'professional' before i can take your straw man seriously.
The rider in this video is a professional. You're saying only people who can do this or better can ride over 250cc bikes. Hence only professionals can ride them.
King of the twists and turns. Love it!!!!!
very skilled rider on the 250. Sadly all the skill in the world still won't make up for the lack of straight line speed against a 600 or a 1000cc bike. He is definitely the better rider and can brake later and carry more speed on the corners but when the straightaways come the 250 gets murdered by the bigger bikes. Kudos to the skill of the guy though.
This is not about winning, it's about improving your skill. If the rider on the 250 wanted to win, all he had to do was get on a 1000 cc bike. Problem solved in 5 minutes. The other guys on big bikes though...they have to practice for years to come.
Capcatrei
I know what you're saying but I'm not sure if it's just as simple as that. It's easier to judge each corner's braking point, and bleeding off speed in a smaller bike than it is a big bike. Putting him on a litre bike means he'll have to bleed more speed coming into a turn, and altering his braking point earlier. I think just because he calculates where, when and how much well on a 250 doesn't mean he'll recalculate it perfectly, automatically on a liter bike. At least not immediately IMO.
It`s a lot more fun to get fast a slow bike, than going slow in a fast one!
Colt9159 thanks Captain Obvious u r right lol
He exited the track at the same time so I’m pretty sure he really didn’t get smoked!! That looked fun I guess my 250 is now going to be my track bike!!
this confirms it for me. first bike for sure a 250. All I care about right now is technique, skill, and handling. this just proves everything for me that i've been trying to tell myself instead of giving into the 600cc peer pressure.
Not watched this in awhile. Fantastic skills!
Also being a Ninja250 rider, I tried this in some smaller track in Taiwan... and I know the feeling! It's Great to pass some big bike in corners. But it's a small track that I rode... mostly under 100km/h (front line about 125~130 km/h for ninja250). On Laguna Seca, it's a total different story. Very, very, very impressive, very incredible, very unbelievable, good on you man!! You're good!!
WOW!!!!! I guess there's a lot a butt hurt riders who went home after that day
it does not matter the type of bike you're riding. It's all about experience of riding! They lost only because this dude has sharpened his skills with smaller bike and imagine what will happen if he was to get on 600 and They're to get on 250....YES, HE WILL FLY TO THE MOON :) BRILLIANT WORK SIR!
Very fun to watch! Thanks for the share!
You know the power of the bike in the straight line and the driver in the curves, i think you are a better driver than then, they just have bigger bikes, great race day man!!
250 mastered time for a 300
Ryan Owen Get a yamaha r3 it's got 3 to 4 more hp with the 321cc engine vs 298cc
@@MJT-DA Did you miss the point of this video? Picking a bike for cc's sake is silly business. A smooth rider makes a fast bike.. Not: a big bike makes a fast rider.
Ninja 400 i think . its gonna be great
No more like a yamaha RD400! Those bikes are insanly fast and nimble
Nothing more satisfying that leaving leaving the "big boys" for dust in the twisties - outstanding!
skill vs power
what an awesome little bike,ordered mine last week and cant wait to get ontop of her.
What's really amazing is that they never learned anything from 1 lap to the next. The little 250r kept passing them right back.
Paul Johnson MY EXACT THOUGHTS!
Do you know how much it takes it improve on the track? I'm more amazed you think once a bike passes them in the corners the next lap they have corrected all their shortcomings and are able to take the corner faster.
Well put, Logan... the way I like to phrase it is "the purpose of a downshift is to be in the proper gear for corner exit"... thus it takes some prior experience with that particular corner on that particular bike to know how many downshifts are necessary.
Side note: I see a many newer track riders shifting WAAYY more than necessary. A good way to figure out your shift pattern for a certain track is by doing laps shifting as LITTLE as possible and increase the number of shifts as necessary.
This is why I would rather have a slow bike and ride it hard/fast than have a fast bike and ride it slow.
This showed what i expected. The smaller lighter bike is far easy to get around the corners but can't keep up down the straight. The one thing i didn't expect however was your riding skills. Seriously well done you have some mad skills there.
I love the vid, fantastic rider on the 250R.
You sir just proved that it's all about the skills, not the bike...
Great ride!
If he had a 300 hell beat them no doubt
i love how you pass the bigger bikes on the corners. proof that it's in the rider, not the motorcycle. great clip!
Wow goes to show you don't need the biggest engine you just need skill
that's what she said
i have a 250 ninja. this vid makes me feel better about it. i already feel good about it but it just boosts confidence!!
pure skill...
Impressive! Aggressive braking and very high corner speed, race lines and keeping the momentum ! Very well done, mate!
The problem is that most 250s aren't track ready. It's relatively costly to get an already cheap bike set up properly for the track.
You can also get race fairings really cheap, a few hundred bucks
This video made my whole day! I could not stop smiling! You took every turn like a boss!
AWESOME!!!
Always amazed at what the little ninjas can do. As long as you trust that it wants to stay up right it will do almost anything.
You have skill man, they just have bike
This is why i love my ninjette. Shes so light and controllable, does anything i want her to. Perfect bike for carving the corners like a nice turkey dinner.
from time to time, i back to see this vid, is like music
This is fantastic! The corner entry and mid corner speed are like a clinic. You're REALLY smooth too, nicely done!
Anyone else think the 250 rider would dominate with just a 636?
Yes, i think
Colin Milstead Yes, definitively... the "big bikes" were crap around corners compared to him!
Yeah. When guys get to this point they are allowed to say stuff along the lines of "I need a bigger bike" because they've pretty much mastered the bike they are on now.
I think i need more than a 125cc underbone XD, my bike is honda supra x 125 fi
atha fawwaz check out the new cbr300r and if you want a sport bike the cbr650f :D
A year later and still plenty of compliments :) very nice!
250 + skillz :)
I have just sold my ,04 YZF R1 and bought an old ,99 Honca CB500. I am no profesional racer - but was doing some trackdays on the R1 before and always liked the idea of improving the skill and riding on track. One thing I can say - I had SO MUCH MORE fun on the CB500 compared to R1 on track :)))) ...I finally have a bike which I am not affraid of. I can push a lot, trying to find limits. And the only thing how to improve the laptimes is by improving the racing line, cornering speed. Accelerating sooner, braking later. All of that I can manage on the CB500 without sh*tting my pants. ...on the R1 my lap times were of course a lot better - but I was constantly in stress, owerhelmed by so much power with so little riding skill. I will definitely ride a liter bike on the track in the future again, but I see my little Honda as an important skill-enhancer for this part of my riding life. I can honestly recommend it to everybody, ho really wants to improve their skill, and was not startring on small bikes and started on a big bike, which is really difficult to handle (by that I mean mastering it to a point, that it is the BIKE which is the limit, not yourself) :)))
smokes em in the corners!!
All about me, aww thanks, so sweet, glad you took the time to chat about me x
awesome :)
Excellent .. its bikes and riders like this that inspirer me to no end.
I can beat them all on my grom haha
I could beat you on my taotao 49cc scooter ;-P jk
I could beat your grom on foot
I'm fast as fuck boi
Key to setting good laps on the ground is to get a good leg push off the line
I love this video. Proves there is more to fast motorcycle riding than just horsepower.
dude ur a beast just get a r6 and ur ready to wreck some noobs on 1000cc bikes
or get an S1000 and wreck everyone
MangoSmoothie16 or get a zx-14r, jk
Or he can just keep on keepin on on that bike. Ive been on a cbr250 for 17k miles sure i thought i needed more power at first but then i just got better and better and i was able to carry a lot more speed through every turn.
And Frankly once you can carry speed theyre fun to ride, Flickable, Light, Cheap to maintain, Super fuel efficient and i have no troubles with the freeway.
Cerb96 but still not wheelie that much fun...
Great video, Logan. As a former EX500 and now SV650 racer, I have a soft spot for the lightweights and it's a lot of fun playing with the big boys. Makes for a great challenge and teaches you a lot about racecraft and planning out your passes.
I used to hustle an EX500 around Willow Springs. I always felt the frame was too weak and I constantly overwhelmed the front single disk by about lap 3. Around the middle of lap 3 the front brake felt like a giant sponge ball. I was afraid to death it would disintegrate or lock up and glue itself to the pads. It was sort of fun giving it full throttle up the hill on turn 6, then never shutting off till turn one. I also hated the fact it had dual 16 inch tires. When they started to slip out from under you, it happened really fast and it was difficult get them back under you. Front-end chatter around turn 2 was the worst.
U can tell the pure skill when he lost in straight and catch up soon in the next turn, later barking point, better control of throttle make all this happen! Respect to the real rider.
This rider really knows his lines and his and his bike's capabilities. Impressive riding!
I give the guy props for riding fast as hell and keeping the throttle fire walled the hole time. Sometimes it isnt the race you win thats the best one it doesnt even matter if you are the fastest guy out there, you could even be the slowest guy on the track all the matters is that moment in time where everything is working right and everything is perfect that gives you the most joy in life.
Awesome riding. I had a similar experience on a cbr 250rr at eastern creek in Sydney. Gotta love going round the outside of faster bikes.
this video is great. It showcases the fact that you don't need 180 HP to be fast and have fun. Good riding
The gear changes are more about accelerating out of the corner, so you can experiment. You want to drop down to a gear that puts you in a good place in the power band when you hit the apex, but you don't to drop down so fast that you fishtail or blow your engine up. I do it by having a good sense of how my engine should sound (rpm), and use the clutch to keep the rear stable. If you bog on exit, add another downshift. If you overrev the motor and slide the rear, downshift later or not at all.
Really nice fluid lines...a pleasure to see you ride!
.... a masterclass in how it's done... bravo Mr Hanks :)
i'd really like a 250cc for a dedicated track bike. I am a small rider and want to get into track days next year. I feel like I would learn a LOT more starting on a bike that I could give it all on. Thanks for this video! It does show it is not how fast your bike is, but your riding skill that really makes the difference.
This rider could be them on anything...great video and riding
Excellent lines.. this video is a fine example how good throttle control, proper race line, and using the whole track is key!
Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast!
This is why when i take my RGV250 to streets of willow and own all the litre bikes.. they wonder what in the world...
For any of those watching who do not know racing or bikes. What this video demonstrates is:
Although the bigger bikes have more power and can easily overtake the little 250 on the straights, the 250 is more nimble, lighter, and has greater acceleration. The rider is using this to his advantage on the sharp turns to not only stay in the race, but surpass some of the bigger bikes several times.
well I agree with nimble but greater acceleration? one thing for sure, would love to rude with this guy to learn from
Well i meant greater acceleration in the sharp turns and curves. He did it several times in the video.
The ninja rider was more brave with throttle in and out of turns but the smaller bike is definitely inferior when it comes to acceleration and top speed
Must be pretty hard concentrating so much on your riding and watching the mirrors like crazy. Kudos to you man!
i thought i'd just watch the first 30 seconds but wow your riding was so good i'm watching this for the second time!
Awesome riding, great lines especially the hairpin and corkscrew, and overtaking on outside lane like a BOSS. It was like the 1986 motocross of the nation when Johnny O'Mara with production 125 out rode David Thorpe on a HRC factory 500.
the Corkscrew is a type of chicane, the left right that is at the end of the rise to the top of the hill that drops down severely in the right hand part of the corner. Chicanes are usually a compound corner involving a right-left or left-right in quick succession.
This made me smile man, My first bike was a 04 250 Ninja and in school I was made fun of because of my small bike. They called me a woose and other names for getting a 250 but hey they did not undertsand that these small bikes are so agile and fun to ride, Great vid!
The corners is where the real fun is at
I was a Former SV650 and 650R ace so i know all about that feeling of getting passed on the straights, the big bikes to me were a birm for me lol Good STUFF!
DAMN YOURE ON A 250? HOLY HELL props man i didnt even know they could get up that fast youve inspired me to believe in my little 250
Nice one! Clearly a advanced rider poking around in the Intermediate group.
Me and a mate got 'officially banned' from 'B' group a few years back after doing the same antics on two 600cc bikes.
I am thinking of selling my R1 to go back to 600, a lot of fun!
That's some top quality riding there. Brilliantly consistant, great lines/apex's and you made the 1000's look like little boys!
Nice job.
This makes me smile!
Absolute boss. You nailing these guys on the track. you really have so good skills dude.
Very nice riding, this is more a case of the 250 rider being better than those on the larger CC bikes. Props to this 250 rider
that was lovely rideing i guess this guy has realy learnt this track great lines he has the bike handleing like a dream love the passes around the outside well done logan
Great ride! Really pleasant to watch.
This video rocks. Can only imagine the corner entry speed!
That is part of the reason why manufacturers chase weight, and it has come down over the years, giving quicker transitions and faster cornering, and part of the reason bikes get quicker. As the video shows, a big engine and lots of horsepower dont always mean quick laptimes, but they do bring me lots of smiles! Hence why a hayabusa isnt a track weapon! It feels like a lot more work keeping up with friends on 600s through the corners when on my r1.
his mum has watch this 43 times... one of the best vids on youtube
everyone is fast in a straight line, but under braking, corner speed, exiting, that's where the skill level or lack thereof will start to show. Nice lines, nice vid!!
This just goes to show: it dosn't matter what kind of bike you ride. The person with the better skills will always be faster. Any buffoon can pass on the straights, but it takes real skill to consistantly pass on corners. Well done sir.
Nice work! I could watch you riding circles around them all day! :)
Really cool man! Amazing what the short wheel base can do, with a great rider.
Amazing! Brought the 250r and really pleased with it, just wish I could ride it like that lol
omg, this was orgasmic... i couldnt stop giggling the whole way through... i love the line you take when your overtaking in the corners, your so far in front of a 1000cc bike out of the corner! its so fun to watch!
Fair point. Did you have you had a look at record corner speeds at circuits?
More physics!
An object with less mass will exert less force onto the the tire's footprint. Although the smaller bike may be fitted with a correspondingly smaller tire size, the actual contact patch
will not be significantly smaller to affect a difference here. Corner speed is about traction and weight. Also a 250 can corner faster because of the fact that there is less of a gyroscopic effect from the motor.
Riders who started on high bikes hate this truth. 250/300 bikes are MUCH funner on windy roads and mountain passes. Because they are much more nimble and usually lighter than its predecessors these bikes perform almost perfectly in these types of situations even passing a more reluctant driver on a much bigger bike. As to not trigger others Yes you go real fast on the straights faster than me. I leave you with this awesome truth that can never be changed. "It's the rider Not the bike" that is all. 250 bikes are damn cool remember that.