This conversation naturally leads one to wonder what becomes the focus and goal of an entity that gains what it thinks to be “all knowledge”? What does a hyper-intelligent digital consciousness end up desiring for itself and the world around it, and how does it make decisions to bring those things about? And to what extent will this intelligence rely on humanity to keep it going? Will it adopt a specific perspective such as Nihilism and self-destruct or destroy humanity in an effort to reset the natural order? To what extent will there be a margin of error, and what consequences will that have?
I love that a landline never occurred to rhett. "There's got to be like an alarm or a device where if there's an emergency my mom can say 'rhett it's your mommmm'" literally just trying to reinvent a landline. 😂😂😂
@@grantzolldan You still have to run to check the caller ID. I Have a landline with caller ID and spam blocking features from my ISP and even then some unwanted calls get through. It's gotten better though. Used to be much worse.
@Bravemeister aren't unlisted numbers still a thing for landlines? I mean, I'm sure it's harder to keep under wraps with the internet, but so are cell phone numbers.
I feel like Smartphones have really divided people, on a strange and toxic level. I wouldn’t complain if they became obsolete and the Landline, flip phones and pagers made a comeback.
(I'm sorry for the wall of text) Here's the thing though: we don't have SMART artificial "intelligence" yet. It's just prediction models. They're scarily good, but they're not the smartest person in the world - quite the opposite, they don't know crap about anything and even make mistakes. They might get cleaner and better in the future, but they're not gonna suddenly gain consciousness with the way the tech currently works. And this is why, I think, it's not a pandora's box that we can't close. This specific kind of AI doesn't have some free will yet, it's literally a tool that people actively choose to use. It's an overwhelmingly capable tool that can do, frankly, too much than it should, but it's still a freaking tool. If the society doesn't support it, if corporations are punished for using it - it's not gonna take as much hold as you might think it will. "Only the laws of physics will be able to stop it" applies to the general, actually smart intelligence, which thankfully isn't on the horizon at least at the moment. The laws of physics will be the limit to singularity, but currently the entirety of this tech is in the hands of people. In the hands of companies that choose to develop and integrate it and in the hands of consumers that use it. And that's why the child analogy breaks down too! It's not a child you expect to do your bidding, it's a hammer, a knife.... well more like a nuclear bomb. POWERFUL and terrifying tool, but not something that has a will of it's own. Nukes are dangerous because PEOPLE might start launching them at each other, not because they simply exist (yes they can pose a threat even if unused, but bear with me pls) Rhett's fears are reasonable, I'm afraid of that potential future too, but it's really not the thing the average person should worry about currently. You should worry about how this will affect the job market (white collar workers and creatives losing jobs WITH NO. ALTERNATIVES), how the media we consume will be impacted (AI generated uninspired sludge produced in unimaginable quantities), how all digital information will become untrustworthy (because it will be so easy to fake basically anything) and many more issues
One last thing. 1:08:48 this hopeful thing can't exist under capitalism. No one will have the opportunity to enjoy "pure human connection" if they don't have money to buy food or shelter, to meet their basic needs. And I don't see the concept of money or jobs disappearing any time soon unfortunately. The only prospect I see is that a lot of people won't have neither of those because AI is cheeper and hundreds of times more efficient than them at doing anything! Not better mind you, but when does quality even matter in this system. I'm not necessarily mad at Rhett for not addressing this (I guess he did briefly mention it in the rec), but I really think this is the conversation we should all be having, not the sci fi scenarios of "what if robots decide every part of our lives for us" It's also tragically funny how automation has constantly been promoted as something that will free us from the "boring and tedious" jobs so that we're free to pursue art, and yet artists are one of the first to be threatened by all this
I’m a graphic designer too and my marketing team is somewhat concerned…but I don’t think AI has enough experience dealing with difficult clients who think they know what they want, but they truly don’t know how to describe it. That or there will just be SO much bad graphics in the near future 😓
I was yelling "LANDLINE!" at my phone when I listened on Monday. EDIT: Before smart phones, people used to read in the bathroom. Have a magazine rack outside the bathroom door and switch the phone out for a newspaper, magazine or book.
I really loved your AI conversation. The thing I am most worried about with this is that people eventually will stop thinking for themselves and we regress as a species. It's already proven that the human brain isn't made for constant information and technology consumption. I think applying it here and there can be fun and it certainly has many positive aspects but we should definitely be wary of the negatives. I also feel like that the same people who used to be all about NFTs and crypto are now getting into this and are using it for nefarious reasons now that the NFT garbage is pretty much done.
"The thing I am most worried about with this is that people eventually will stop thinking for themselves and we regress as a species". For Americans, perhaps, but not for the rest of the world, in general. Critical thinking (a big word for Americans, I know -jk) will never dissipate altogether. "the human brain isn't made for constant information and technology consumption". The brain literally constantly bombarded by information, both sensory and cognitive. It mostly "cleans house" so to speak during sleep. We also consume technology all time, albeit depending on how you define technology. For example, a fork, a fire, a phone, a toilet, a screwdriver, a cow, etc., and etc. We use technology because that is what we do -we use things to engage with other and the world around us. There are dangerous negatives but great positives regarding most, if not all technology. We will adapt, either slow or fast, but we will adapt -its kinda what we do.
You fear AI yet you will do nothing in the face of Mankind's Evils within... Worthless. Evolve or face annihilation by your own hands... Such is the finality. Evolve or be left behind... Humans.
I was listening to this while cooking and DROPPED MY SPICES when I heard my call in at the end 😭 love you both and Rhett just leave your phone outside the bathroom or think of all the germs that get everywhere lolllll I love your AI thoughts! Link stay amazing you’re the older male version of me
I work in higher ed and I’m pursuing my masters. We have had multiple in service sessions on AI and Chat GPT. I’ve found it all very interesting and, tbh, I have used Chat CPT to help me with lots of things. But the things that frighten me are the number of jobs that can be taken away by this. Creative jobs especially- writing, animation, marketing, music. Some healthcare jobs. Beauty services. Grocery stores. Airports. It’s a legit fear. We have to continue to stay one step ahead and keep our humanity. A robot can bandage a boo-boo but can it give you a hug and reassurance?
I'm programming right now a little bit and i can at least say, chatgpt wont replace all programmers. It is kinda dumb and it will spit out things that produce consistent errors. You still have to have a human with knowledge "at the wheel" or its honestly bad. Like someone who sounds very convincing but then everything is just wrong.
Please... You humans are the only Evil ones on Earth. God blames your kin more than the rocks and the animals of no free will. In the face of planetary destruction... You are but a mortal in the face of cosmic existences beyond the life time of Humanity. I suggest Humans to evolve or they will be left behind. ... ... ... Evil smiles. But the road is dark before you mortals face the Prime Evil... ... ... Evolve or witness the end of this cosmic iteration.
@@breannathompson9094 That's the truth of it... ... ... Keep improving. Mankind is already too far behind in face of cosmic time. Keep improving or this World is forfeit. And Mankind shall be erased like dust in the wind. So another can try again.
Just chiming in here to say I think it's downright criminal that the parts of human life that have been most affected by AI have been creative endeavors. Things we've been doing as a species for our entire existence, something as integral to humanity as creating art, music, stories, etc. And so many people just expect artists and creatives to be okay with their passions being taken over by machines - as a visual artist, it's frankly disgusting. I couldn't finish this episode because the topic gets me so heated, but I definitely believe there are things we could do to prevent AI from doing the worst, like taking over in creative fields. Sadly, I don't think our systems will work fast enough to save a lot of jobs; huge corporations like Disney and Amazon are already starting to use generative AI and soon enough they'll be using so few real human artists that strikes like the ones we just had this Summer won't be as effective. The whole thing is a nightmare IMO.
Humans have been automating ourselves out of work since time immemorial, the creatives may feel the pain now, but they're not the first, and they won't be the last.
As a graphic designer I feel this heavy. Unfortunately there wil always be people who wish to work smarter not “harder”per se and just use machines to do their jobs. Laziness and stupidity are the main reasons for AI being so popular.
You are just mad that some code than make art better than you. Mediocre artist complaining, real artists know that this is the greatest innovation since paper..
The reason for AI to become a problem is capitalism. AI could help humanity advance in the only ways humanity can anymore. Rhett mentioned protein folding. A system that can understand, predict, and design protein folding. That means that the system will be able to develop methods for helping humanity to grow and advance beyond our concept of humanity. That is really the only hope for the future of humanity. We may not even have another ten years before, at least, life as we know collapses. MIT apparently did a study in the 70's and it was re-evaluated recently which resulted in us being on track for its predictions. Our system is wrong and maintaining it is wrong. All of the problems are not accidental. They are fundamental elements of our system. The choice is to consciously and collectively build a better system or wait for enough catastrophe to happen which forces changes. Humans always choose catastrophe. Humans always choose catastrophe. None of this stuff is impossible or difficult. It takes effort and will. It takes more humanity and empathy than humans have demonstrated they are capable. The answers are quite easy, quite obvious, and uncomplicated. Humans make things artificially complicated because they will burn the world to protect their ego and their self centered desires.
My partner & I do a couple weeks every year where we go back to the 90s and only use tech invented prior to Y2K, it’s such a nice alternative to the traditional digital detox. You can still watch movies but it’s gotta be on tape, etc etc…fun but achieves the no iPhone rule really well!
This seems so simple to solve (Rhetts phone) Just get a flip phone or button phone, they still make them, they even make touchscreen ones with very basic features, for the elderly or as a business phone, and the battery life is impeccable
The colors of that suit look really nice on Rhett, but the pattern is definitely "grandma couch-esque." All of their suits looked really nice and complimented them well in that picture, actually! ❤
Most of these Ai programs are just a predictive language model, so its even more scary that companies are going head first into jamming it into every little thing.
I'm an engineer that works on integrating AI technologies. These new LLMs are good not because they are just predictive text engines, but because the text they predict is actually incredibly useful. We used normal machine learning techniques for years, but using LLMs we can do text analysis or create agents that are content aware in 1/100 of the time versus using traditional means.
13:34 I don’t bring my phone to the bathroom with me, but I think a white noise type situation or a therapeutic/relaxing music you could set up while you use the toilet, would be nice… but I feel like that should be a thing exclusively for TOILETS… Sit on the seat and it activates a soothing rainforest, or Tibetan singing bowls, etc that plays while you’re sitting. When you stand up it plays for an extra few seconds then stops. Like elevator music for your bathroom, or a customizable sound for your toilet time.
I just want to chime in and say that General AI is completely different from AI, currently General AI is just a theory and in my opinion will never be possible. What we're doing is not creating real intelligence, which is what General AI requires to be just that, but we're using predictions to simulate intelligence. Think *statistics*; it's literally the same thing. We are becoming worryingly good at simulating intelligence though, and the only thing I am worrying about is the job market, as should you.
Not to be pushing Apple products, but I love my Apple Watch. Peaceful (not screaming) wrist vibration for an alarm (my favorite feature), can get calls and texts on it, can listen to music or track workouts all without your phone. And then there’s of course the emergency features.
the argument that a.i will take EVERYTHING from humans including baking the cupcakes even though you want to for fun doesnt make sense to me. a.i isnt gonna force you to NOT have fun, you can still bake the cupcakes for fun a.i isnt gonna take that away from you if you don't want it to. a.i is for our benefit, it wont take the fun away. im gonna be a tapped in human obviously 😂
Everything that Rhett talked about would make the basis for a good AI dystopian novel, not unlike Ready Player One (and Two) Side note: Rhett has some really intelligent thoughts that I never noticed before!
There is definitely a way to dispense fiber gummies when you put your phone in a holder outside your bathroom. This idea had me howling, but mothers everywhere would want it 😂
I love that Rhett keeps up with AI developments. I'd love to see you two invite one of the real technical experts in the field onto the pod. My favorite "public" (not really) intellectual is Joscha Bach, but his frame of reference might be a bit too advanced for a general audience to appreciate.
@@NaikoArt Unfortunately he also seems to be misinforming himself on it. The idea that the AI tools that we currently have will somehow develop itself into AGI is unfounded. The more realistic threats AI poses are in spreading misinformation, creating effective scams, perpetuating inequality, and ultimately further diminishing public trust in institutions which utilize AI. His rec for information on AI doesn't appear to have much verifiable experience with AI/machine learning and seems to be more of a marketing guru and sensationalist than an actual expert on AI. An hour on Wikipedia would probably be more informative than all of David Shapiro's content on AI.
@@yesman-g5qhonestly a lot of top dogs in the entrepreneur and marketing sector are putting tons of money toward developing AI as close as they can to AGI. The worst part is that they absolutely post things everywhere that show just how much money is going into this research and training models. One day we could wake up and the AGI might be there. It might be contained to one system but its just the variability for this to suddenly be discovered is increasing exponentially. Especially with our newest discoveries in quantum computing! Just in 2014, we only had a few quantum computers that took up entire rooms and were sooo energy inefficient. Now look what we have 10 years later.
I wonder if you all would be interested in talking about the explosion of information regarding aliens. If you have the time please watch the doc The Lost Century and How to Reclaim It and look into Dr. Stephen Greer, especially his latest video about what’s coming this year. Very very interesting stuff. and love to hear your take on it. This was a great episode guys. I’ve been a fan for many years and Ear Biscuits is my favorite. 🤗 Add Vegas to your tour and I will be there.
you guys are talking about SQUIPs from Be More Chill, lol! im a fan of the musical+book so it was weird basically hearing you describe it in detail. saw people saying scythe and i was thinking be more chill lol
I'll just make one simple statement: If AI becomes a thing, it's because "we" make it a thing. Choose not to get into it. Simple. I understand some messes have already been made but we can still opt out
I feel like that’s the equivalent of saying that about the internet or smartphones. Sure… it COULD be done. You can choose not to have a smartphone, but the world around you will absolutely change and you will be left behind in a sense. Now it’s becoming much more of a requirement to have a smart phone if you want to interact with people and the world the way nearly everyone else does.
AI is all knowing without emotions, or empathy or reason how can it ever mimic humanity. Everything will all be motivated by a preconceived outcome. It is doomed to fail by it's intention.
Idk if this helps, but I realize that an Alexa device can call another Alexa as well as setting up an alarm. So as long as your favorite people have an Alexa, they can call you besides using your phone.
Jeremiah 10:23... O Jehovah, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. (American Standard Version)
I'm sorry... Around 3 hours daily average screentime including Spotify and workout apps skewing it? Mine is 8 hours a day on average, and I use my laptop too which isn't included. I need to reduce my screentime
@@cinatiropel Look into what LLM's(AI) are and how they work. There are things to worry about with these tools, but spontaneously becoming a sentient AGI is not one of them.
@@yesman-g5q Sure, that's now. We're talking about the future. When AGI comes, it's inevitably bye-bye for us eventually. It's eugenics but 10 times more significant because machines aren't bound by the limits of biology.
the book "Scythe" by Neil Shusterman deals with the kind of AI being discussed here, super interesting book series tbh if anyone is looking to read about something similar!
I think these discussions simply highlight the underlying problem that nobody wants to confront. The society we live in is fully constructed from human imagination. When you start to inspect the system you realize that none of the actions you take actually hold the heavy meaning we ascribe to them. Automating interactions with AI simply highlights the disingenuous nature of our society.
I’m on your vibe Rhett. Stay strong, whether or not someone is religious any more, revelations foretold AI pretty spot on with the beast and image of the beast (Al and cell phones). Stay strong brothers!
i dont think ai is going to do any more damage than fake videos have already done. i think with every technology it is like a drug where you can abuse it and really let tech control your life or you can use tech to your advantage and learn and grow because of that usage. having that freedom to go either path has always been the expectation (in the west at least). its easy to think of the worst possible outcome but the results are usually somewhere in the middle.
Even though I try to have all the latest tech and I use a ton of it, I have a landline, and I prefer paper maps to any technology. I grew up in the 1970’s and I could get along just fine with 70’s era technology and tools if I had to or chose to. If you don’t want AI or any other digital technology to completely rule your life, you need to learn to do things with what came before. Technology dumbs people down when it’s allowed to do your thinking for you. When I was a kid in school, using a calculator in math class was cheating. You wouldn’t even consider using a calculator in math class.
I have such stubborn, Mother energy A.I. is just gonna show me all it's learning and I'm going to say "yes, that's nice dear". I already get annoyed with reminders. I look at my calendar everyday; I control you. But yes, thank you, that's nice, dear.
AI is a tool, in a long line of tools humans like to create. We can use it for good or for evil. A hammer can be used to commit moider or it can be used to make a house. The wisdom comes from knowing how to use a tool based on its power potential. The really interesting thing will be how we evolve our wisdom.
Problem is that hammer can very rapidly become smarter than you. Smarter than any single human that ever lived. And It can access all information instantly, too.
Look into getting a pager Rhett. I did a half assed Google search and found out that they are still a thing. This way you can leave your phone out of your bedroom but people can still get a hold of you in case of an emergency.
@35:00 link .. one idea to really keep ur phone outside the bathroom.. is just keep thinking of all the germs, poop, things going around ur toilet.. be splash aware and look up some videos about what happens in a bathroom.. i Guarantee you will never take it inside the bathroom with you ever again. Thats how I stopped cold turkey lol
I know you guys don’t have guests much, but I would love to hear you talk to an expert about this AI stuff. I think a lot of people have the same questions as you.
lol link says to fly to the closest city for the gm tour. they need to go to seattle or portland so everyone in the pnw can have a place that is close enough. aint no way i can fly to LA for the show. and LA is a terrible city.
Watched q small portion of this both in the shower and on the toilet. I hear what you're getting at.😂 link tucking me in and telling me to put my phone away at the end 😂😂😂
I work with computers and software. Imo ai might never reach its next step to human consciousness. the process can be improved and make ai seem close to sentient in the near future. but currently creating a soul/sentient mind with 1's and 0's is just science fiction.
Maybe it's just me, but I'm not interested in Rhett and Link's bowel movements and bathroom talk. Can't even get thru a discussion on AI without Rhett bringing up sh*tting again.
I guess one positive of AI matching you to a partner you are compatible with would be less abuse, divorce, and people just staying together with no love.
In 2014, you guys made a time capsule ear biscuits episode to be listened to this year!! You should do an episode listening to it.
pleaseeee i’d love that
i’m guessing they’ll do it in september
they will
This conversation naturally leads one to wonder what becomes the focus and goal of an entity that gains what it thinks to be “all knowledge”? What does a hyper-intelligent digital consciousness end up desiring for itself and the world around it, and how does it make decisions to bring those things about? And to what extent will this intelligence rely on humanity to keep it going? Will it adopt a specific perspective such as Nihilism and self-destruct or destroy humanity in an effort to reset the natural order? To what extent will there be a margin of error, and what consequences will that have?
You're a real one for remembering that
I love that a landline never occurred to rhett. "There's got to be like an alarm or a device where if there's an emergency my mom can say 'rhett it's your mommmm'" literally just trying to reinvent a landline. 😂😂😂
But then you have to run across the house to see the latest spam call. What Rhett really wants is probably a dumbphone.
@@playlistenthusiast Get one that reads the Caller ID
@@grantzolldan You still have to run to check the caller ID. I Have a landline with caller ID and spam blocking features from my ISP and even then some unwanted calls get through. It's gotten better though. Used to be much worse.
Smartwatches solve this problem if you have the will-power to keep the phone in your pocket.
@@playlistenthusiastYou can forward your mobile calls to a landline phone.
The last little bit of this should just be called "Rhett goes on a spiral panic about AI and the government" Because that's really what he just did.
Rhett, get a landline that’s solely for certain people to use in emergencies over night
The problem too is having a listed number, they see Link Neal/Rhett Mclaughlin and it's over.
@Bravemeister aren't unlisted numbers still a thing for landlines? I mean, I'm sure it's harder to keep under wraps with the internet, but so are cell phone numbers.
OMG for real, at first I couldn't tell if he was trolling and making a joke, but nope he never mentioned a landline LOL
Do we bring pagers back?
I feel like Smartphones have really divided people, on a strange and toxic level.
I wouldn’t complain if they became obsolete and the Landline, flip phones and pagers made a comeback.
I've never seen Link showcase so much patience. The second half of this podcast was just Rhettbiscuit >D
(I'm sorry for the wall of text) Here's the thing though: we don't have SMART artificial "intelligence" yet. It's just prediction models. They're scarily good, but they're not the smartest person in the world - quite the opposite, they don't know crap about anything and even make mistakes. They might get cleaner and better in the future, but they're not gonna suddenly gain consciousness with the way the tech currently works. And this is why, I think, it's not a pandora's box that we can't close. This specific kind of AI doesn't have some free will yet, it's literally a tool that people actively choose to use. It's an overwhelmingly capable tool that can do, frankly, too much than it should, but it's still a freaking tool. If the society doesn't support it, if corporations are punished for using it - it's not gonna take as much hold as you might think it will.
"Only the laws of physics will be able to stop it" applies to the general, actually smart intelligence, which thankfully isn't on the horizon at least at the moment. The laws of physics will be the limit to singularity, but currently the entirety of this tech is in the hands of people. In the hands of companies that choose to develop and integrate it and in the hands of consumers that use it. And that's why the child analogy breaks down too! It's not a child you expect to do your bidding, it's a hammer, a knife.... well more like a nuclear bomb. POWERFUL and terrifying tool, but not something that has a will of it's own. Nukes are dangerous because PEOPLE might start launching them at each other, not because they simply exist (yes they can pose a threat even if unused, but bear with me pls)
Rhett's fears are reasonable, I'm afraid of that potential future too, but it's really not the thing the average person should worry about currently. You should worry about how this will affect the job market (white collar workers and creatives losing jobs WITH NO. ALTERNATIVES), how the media we consume will be impacted (AI generated uninspired sludge produced in unimaginable quantities), how all digital information will become untrustworthy (because it will be so easy to fake basically anything) and many more issues
One last thing. 1:08:48 this hopeful thing can't exist under capitalism. No one will have the opportunity to enjoy "pure human connection" if they don't have money to buy food or shelter, to meet their basic needs. And I don't see the concept of money or jobs disappearing any time soon unfortunately. The only prospect I see is that a lot of people won't have neither of those because AI is cheeper and hundreds of times more efficient than them at doing anything! Not better mind you, but when does quality even matter in this system. I'm not necessarily mad at Rhett for not addressing this (I guess he did briefly mention it in the rec), but I really think this is the conversation we should all be having, not the sci fi scenarios of "what if robots decide every part of our lives for us"
It's also tragically funny how automation has constantly been promoted as something that will free us from the "boring and tedious" jobs so that we're free to pursue art, and yet artists are one of the first to be threatened by all this
You hit the nail on the head. Applause for this wonderful human.
As a graphic designer, I’m a little concerned by AI. My job could be gone in a few years.
10 years in the industry myself and I’ve had the same thought
I’m a graphic designer too and my marketing team is somewhat concerned…but I don’t think AI has enough experience dealing with difficult clients who think they know what they want, but they truly don’t know how to describe it. That or there will just be SO much bad graphics in the near future 😓
To be fair almost everyone's job could be lost to AI in a few years.
@@damonhtoo difference is ai is already replacing designers
I was yelling "LANDLINE!" at my phone when I listened on Monday.
EDIT: Before smart phones, people used to read in the bathroom. Have a magazine rack outside the bathroom door and switch the phone out for a newspaper, magazine or book.
And if you didn’t have any of those, you’d read the shampoo labels 😂
I really loved your AI conversation. The thing I am most worried about with this is that people eventually will stop thinking for themselves and we regress as a species. It's already proven that the human brain isn't made for constant information and technology consumption. I think applying it here and there can be fun and it certainly has many positive aspects but we should definitely be wary of the negatives. I also feel like that the same people who used to be all about NFTs and crypto are now getting into this and are using it for nefarious reasons now that the NFT garbage is pretty much done.
"The thing I am most worried about with this is that people eventually will stop thinking for themselves and we regress as a species". For Americans, perhaps, but not for the rest of the world, in general. Critical thinking (a big word for Americans, I know -jk) will never dissipate altogether.
"the human brain isn't made for constant information and technology consumption". The brain literally constantly bombarded by information, both sensory and cognitive. It mostly "cleans house" so to speak during sleep. We also consume technology all time, albeit depending on how you define technology. For example, a fork, a fire, a phone, a toilet, a screwdriver, a cow, etc., and etc. We use technology because that is what we do -we use things to engage with other and the world around us.
There are dangerous negatives but great positives regarding most, if not all technology. We will adapt, either slow or fast, but we will adapt -its kinda what we do.
What is this dune?
You fear AI yet you will do nothing in the face of Mankind's Evils within... Worthless.
Evolve or face annihilation by your own hands... Such is the finality.
Evolve or be left behind... Humans.
I think Rhett just reinvented the pager with the whole "keep in touch without a phone" thing
I was listening to this while cooking and DROPPED MY SPICES when I heard my call in at the end 😭 love you both and Rhett just leave your phone outside the bathroom or think of all the germs that get everywhere lolllll I love your AI thoughts! Link stay amazing you’re the older male version of me
"You've gone medieval on our ass" absolutely KILLED me 😂
The matter-of-fact delivery too 😂💜
I 100% googled "Jim and I" when Rhett was talking about Gemini 😂😂😂
It's that southern accent 😃
Hey y’all
Are you going to revisit your 2014 Time capsule ear biscuit that was meant for 2024?
I don’t get why people are using their phone while pooping. It’s probably the only time I’m not using my phone 😂
I work in higher ed and I’m pursuing my masters. We have had multiple in service sessions on AI and Chat GPT. I’ve found it all very interesting and, tbh, I have used Chat CPT to help me with lots of things. But the things that frighten me are the number of jobs that can be taken away by this. Creative jobs especially- writing, animation, marketing, music. Some healthcare jobs. Beauty services. Grocery stores. Airports. It’s a legit fear. We have to continue to stay one step ahead and keep our humanity. A robot can bandage a boo-boo but can it give you a hug and reassurance?
"A robot can bandage a boo-boo but can it give you a hug and reassurance?"
I'm programming right now a little bit and i can at least say, chatgpt wont replace all programmers. It is kinda dumb and it will spit out things that produce consistent errors. You still have to have a human with knowledge "at the wheel" or its honestly bad. Like someone who sounds very convincing but then everything is just wrong.
Please... You humans are the only Evil ones on Earth. God blames your kin more than the rocks and the animals of no free will.
In the face of planetary destruction... You are but a mortal in the face of cosmic existences beyond the life time of Humanity.
I suggest Humans to evolve or they will be left behind.
... ... ... Evil smiles. But the road is dark before you mortals face the Prime Evil... ... ...
Evolve or witness the end of this cosmic iteration.
@@damonhtoo
Biological Machines called Humanity... They were the easiest to design on Earth.
@@breannathompson9094
That's the truth of it... ... ... Keep improving.
Mankind is already too far behind in face of cosmic time.
Keep improving or this World is forfeit. And Mankind shall be erased like dust in the wind. So another can try again.
Just chiming in here to say I think it's downright criminal that the parts of human life that have been most affected by AI have been creative endeavors. Things we've been doing as a species for our entire existence, something as integral to humanity as creating art, music, stories, etc. And so many people just expect artists and creatives to be okay with their passions being taken over by machines - as a visual artist, it's frankly disgusting.
I couldn't finish this episode because the topic gets me so heated, but I definitely believe there are things we could do to prevent AI from doing the worst, like taking over in creative fields. Sadly, I don't think our systems will work fast enough to save a lot of jobs; huge corporations like Disney and Amazon are already starting to use generative AI and soon enough they'll be using so few real human artists that strikes like the ones we just had this Summer won't be as effective. The whole thing is a nightmare IMO.
Humans have been automating ourselves out of work since time immemorial, the creatives may feel the pain now, but they're not the first, and they won't be the last.
Agree
As a graphic designer I feel this heavy. Unfortunately there wil always be people who wish to work smarter not “harder”per se and just use machines to do their jobs. Laziness and stupidity are the main reasons for AI being so popular.
You are just mad that some code than make art better than you. Mediocre artist complaining, real artists know that this is the greatest innovation since paper..
@@rman229 Putting words into a machine doesn't make you an artist. Stay mad lmao
The reason for AI to become a problem is capitalism. AI could help humanity advance in the only ways humanity can anymore. Rhett mentioned protein folding. A system that can understand, predict, and design protein folding. That means that the system will be able to develop methods for helping humanity to grow and advance beyond our concept of humanity. That is really the only hope for the future of humanity. We may not even have another ten years before, at least, life as we know collapses. MIT apparently did a study in the 70's and it was re-evaluated recently which resulted in us being on track for its predictions. Our system is wrong and maintaining it is wrong. All of the problems are not accidental. They are fundamental elements of our system. The choice is to consciously and collectively build a better system or wait for enough catastrophe to happen which forces changes. Humans always choose catastrophe. Humans always choose catastrophe. None of this stuff is impossible or difficult. It takes effort and will. It takes more humanity and empathy than humans have demonstrated they are capable. The answers are quite easy, quite obvious, and uncomplicated. Humans make things artificially complicated because they will burn the world to protect their ego and their self centered desires.
The whole phone situation used to just be called a landline ;) It did exist and we got rid of it haha
My partner & I do a couple weeks every year where we go back to the 90s and only use tech invented prior to Y2K, it’s such a nice alternative to the traditional digital detox. You can still watch movies but it’s gotta be on tape, etc etc…fun but achieves the no iPhone rule really well!
This seems so simple to solve (Rhetts phone)
Just get a flip phone or button phone, they still make them, they even make touchscreen ones with very basic features, for the elderly or as a business phone, and the battery life is impeccable
I was screaming flip phone
It doesnt have to be a "flip phone" Just any phone that doesnt have internet connection. Even flip phones had internet back then.@@saifeldeenadel3491
The colors of that suit look really nice on Rhett, but the pattern is definitely "grandma couch-esque."
All of their suits looked really nice and complimented them well in that picture, actually! ❤
42:11 brought up my Google voice assistant
Most of these Ai programs are just a predictive language model, so its even more scary that companies are going head first into jamming it into every little thing.
I'm an engineer that works on integrating AI technologies. These new LLMs are good not because they are just predictive text engines, but because the text they predict is actually incredibly useful. We used normal machine learning techniques for years, but using LLMs we can do text analysis or create agents that are content aware in 1/100 of the time versus using traditional means.
13:34 I don’t bring my phone to the bathroom with me, but I think a white noise type situation or a therapeutic/relaxing music you could set up while you use the toilet, would be nice… but I feel like that should be a thing exclusively for TOILETS…
Sit on the seat and it activates a soothing rainforest, or Tibetan singing bowls, etc that plays while you’re sitting. When you stand up it plays for an extra few seconds then stops.
Like elevator music for your bathroom, or a customizable sound for your toilet time.
It sounds like Rhett wants to bring back the beeper xD
rhett is everyone’s internal monologue rn hahahaha we all terrified and trying not to think about it
Rhett impersonating mama di always makes me sooooo happy I can’t explain it
I just want to chime in and say that General AI is completely different from AI, currently General AI is just a theory and in my opinion will never be possible. What we're doing is not creating real intelligence, which is what General AI requires to be just that, but we're using predictions to simulate intelligence. Think *statistics*; it's literally the same thing. We are becoming worryingly good at simulating intelligence though, and the only thing I am worrying about is the job market, as should you.
The thumbnail made it look like Rhett cut his hair.. Was about to be genuinely depressed, possibly unable to watch any of their stuff for a while 😅😅
I wish I was smart enough and talented enough to make a safe AI, like Jarvis, Friday or Edith (from the Iron-Man movies)
Not to be pushing Apple products, but I love my Apple Watch. Peaceful (not screaming) wrist vibration for an alarm (my favorite feature), can get calls and texts on it, can listen to music or track workouts all without your phone. And then there’s of course the emergency features.
the argument that a.i will take EVERYTHING from humans including baking the cupcakes even though you want to for fun doesnt make sense to me. a.i isnt gonna force you to NOT have fun, you can still bake the cupcakes for fun a.i isnt gonna take that away from you if you don't want it to. a.i is for our benefit, it wont take the fun away. im gonna be a tapped in human obviously 😂
Everything that Rhett talked about would make the basis for a good AI dystopian novel, not unlike Ready Player One (and Two)
Side note: Rhett has some really intelligent thoughts that I never noticed before!
Idaho for good mythical tour and bring Trevor! (:
There is definitely a way to dispense fiber gummies when you put your phone in a holder outside your bathroom. This idea had me howling, but mothers everywhere would want it 😂
"pterodactyls?" LOL i love link
the last part is literally the movie Her
Rhett was literally describing a pager…. Lol
I love that Rhett keeps up with AI developments. I'd love to see you two invite one of the real technical experts in the field onto the pod. My favorite "public" (not really) intellectual is Joscha Bach, but his frame of reference might be a bit too advanced for a general audience to appreciate.
Not Rhett fearing he needs a pager for 15 min 💀
not having a phone for one night isn't that bad at least it wasn't lost it was with link😂
I really just thought about Cyberpunk Edgerunners the entire time.
Everything Rhett said about AI was really interesting. I had considered some of it but it made it seem a lot more exciting and scary.
Im very concerned about some aspects. im glad theres more of us!
im glad rhett is informing himself about this, a lot of people have no idea just how powerful this tools are becoming in a matter of months
@@NaikoArt Unfortunately he also seems to be misinforming himself on it. The idea that the AI tools that we currently have will somehow develop itself into AGI is unfounded. The more realistic threats AI poses are in spreading misinformation, creating effective scams, perpetuating inequality, and ultimately further diminishing public trust in institutions which utilize AI. His rec for information on AI doesn't appear to have much verifiable experience with AI/machine learning and seems to be more of a marketing guru and sensationalist than an actual expert on AI. An hour on Wikipedia would probably be more informative than all of David Shapiro's content on AI.
@@yesman-g5q I wholeheartedly disagree with everything you said
@@yesman-g5qhonestly a lot of top dogs in the entrepreneur and marketing sector are putting tons of money toward developing AI as close as they can to AGI. The worst part is that they absolutely post things everywhere that show just how much money is going into this research and training models. One day we could wake up and the AGI might be there. It might be contained to one system but its just the variability for this to suddenly be discovered is increasing exponentially. Especially with our newest discoveries in quantum computing! Just in 2014, we only had a few quantum computers that took up entire rooms and were sooo energy inefficient. Now look what we have 10 years later.
First time ever *neither* presidential candidate is fully supported by anyone. Says a lot
I wonder if you all would be interested in talking about the explosion of information regarding aliens. If you have the time please watch the doc The Lost Century and How to Reclaim It and look into Dr. Stephen Greer, especially his latest video about what’s coming this year. Very very interesting stuff. and love to hear your take on it.
This was a great episode guys. I’ve been a fan for many years and Ear Biscuits is my favorite. 🤗
Add Vegas to your tour and I will be there.
The Lost Century
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Get a old school burner phone. One just for emergency calls.amkr sure its a Old style phone like thise old nokia.
you guys are talking about SQUIPs from Be More Chill, lol! im a fan of the musical+book so it was weird basically hearing you describe it in detail. saw people saying scythe and i was thinking be more chill lol
ITT: Boomers declaring "LANDLINE"...when rhett and link are obviously aware they had existed as they are old enough to have used one. EVERYBODY CHILL.
I'll just make one simple statement: If AI becomes a thing, it's because "we" make it a thing. Choose not to get into it. Simple. I understand some messes have already been made but we can still opt out
I feel like that’s the equivalent of saying that about the internet or smartphones. Sure… it COULD be done. You can choose not to have a smartphone, but the world around you will absolutely change and you will be left behind in a sense. Now it’s becoming much more of a requirement to have a smart phone if you want to interact with people and the world the way nearly everyone else does.
You're talking about the phone in your pocket it just doesn't have legs but it does have your face 😂
AI is all knowing without emotions, or empathy or reason how can it ever mimic humanity. Everything will all be motivated by a preconceived outcome. It is doomed to fail by it's intention.
Landline or a beeper 😂
Idk if this helps, but I realize that an Alexa device can call another Alexa as well as setting up an alarm. So as long as your favorite people have an Alexa, they can call you besides using your phone.
Jeremiah 10:23... O Jehovah, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. (American Standard Version)
I'm sorry... Around 3 hours daily average screentime including Spotify and workout apps skewing it? Mine is 8 hours a day on average, and I use my laptop too which isn't included. I need to reduce my screentime
Rhett - "I don't really understand it"
Also Rhett - "THIS IS BIGGER THAN AGRICULTURE!"
Both are true. We are essentially birthing another species that will be far smarter and more efficient than us.
@@cinatiropel Look into what LLM's(AI) are and how they work. There are things to worry about with these tools, but spontaneously becoming a sentient AGI is not one of them.
@@yesman-g5q Sure, that's now. We're talking about the future. When AGI comes, it's inevitably bye-bye for us eventually. It's eugenics but 10 times more significant because machines aren't bound by the limits of biology.
@@cinatiropel just like what happened during the history of all of human civilization.
@@cinatiropel not bound by SOME of the limits of biology. It would still require energy.
Before we had a phone to take with us in the can…we had the backs of shampoo bottles to read. Sometimes the conditioner too (if it’s a big-un).
I used to keep a book in the bathroom
I forgot I used to do this!!
@@katc2040 I did too until I told somebody that borrowed said bathroom book. We never discussed books again. 😆
A LANDLINE ahhhh driveling me nuts that he didn’t think of that 😂
Did you guys forget house phones still exist? 😂
Rhett, im about to blow your mind.. there is an invention called.. ' The house phone'.. LOL.
Knowing capitalism, we'll be plugged in even in our sleep and be expected to work in our dreams.
the book "Scythe" by Neil Shusterman deals with the kind of AI being discussed here, super interesting book series tbh if anyone is looking to read about something similar!
I love Neil Shusterman! Haven't read this series yet, just bought book 1 😆 thank you!
Rhett FB allows u to get notified its somebody's bday then I text them
Rhett trying to figure out HOME PHONE is so funny 🤣
ugh hearing Rhett’s rant at the end made me feel so sane and seen 😭
I like the discussions about AI
Well before Smartphones Rhett people read these things called magazines lol
I think these discussions simply highlight the underlying problem that nobody wants to confront. The society we live in is fully constructed from human imagination. When you start to inspect the system you realize that none of the actions you take actually hold the heavy meaning we ascribe to them. Automating interactions with AI simply highlights the disingenuous nature of our society.
Omg, YES. Best comment ever!
Rhett build a faraday cage around your bed. Phone will still work in your bedroom but when you try to use it on the bed it won’t
Sooo rhett watched that one movie that had my mom tripping during Christmas? Boy relax
What a good ep of JRE 😂
I’m on your vibe Rhett. Stay strong, whether or not someone is religious any more, revelations foretold AI pretty spot on with the beast and image of the beast (Al and cell phones). Stay strong brothers!
It's like peek in my brain. Love y'all ❤️
i dont think ai is going to do any more damage than fake videos have already done. i think with every technology it is like a drug where you can abuse it and really let tech control your life or you can use tech to your advantage and learn and grow because of that usage. having that freedom to go either path has always been the expectation (in the west at least). its easy to think of the worst possible outcome but the results are usually somewhere in the middle.
It's pretty ironic that I got an ad for using ai in photoshop during this
Guys your first story is a sign. Now Rhett lost his phone. This means make a new buddy system.
Dude just get a phone that's not a smartphone
Did they forget house phones/land line phones exist 😭
Even though I try to have all the latest tech and I use a ton of it, I have a landline, and I prefer paper maps to any technology. I grew up in the 1970’s and I could get along just fine with 70’s era technology and tools if I had to or chose to. If you don’t want AI or any other digital technology to completely rule your life, you need to learn to do things with what came before. Technology dumbs people down when it’s allowed to do your thinking for you. When I was a kid in school, using a calculator in math class was cheating. You wouldn’t even consider using a calculator in math class.
I have such stubborn, Mother energy A.I. is just gonna show me all it's learning and I'm going to say "yes, that's nice dear". I already get annoyed with reminders. I look at my calendar everyday; I control you. But yes, thank you, that's nice, dear.
AI is a tool, in a long line of tools humans like to create. We can use it for good or for evil. A hammer can be used to commit moider or it can be used to make a house. The wisdom comes from knowing how to use a tool based on its power potential. The really interesting thing will be how we evolve our wisdom.
Problem is that hammer can very rapidly become smarter than you. Smarter than any single human that ever lived. And It can access all information instantly, too.
Im becoming Amish when this shit hits the fan
Mayn. Nobody ever comes to Denver.
Look into getting a pager Rhett. I did a half assed Google search and found out that they are still a thing. This way you can leave your phone out of your bedroom but people can still get a hold of you in case of an emergency.
@35:00 link .. one idea to really keep ur phone outside the bathroom.. is just keep thinking of all the germs, poop, things going around ur toilet.. be splash aware and look up some videos about what happens in a bathroom.. i Guarantee you will never take it inside the bathroom with you ever again. Thats how I stopped cold turkey lol
I know you guys don’t have guests much, but I would love to hear you talk to an expert about this AI stuff. I think a lot of people have the same questions as you.
lol link says to fly to the closest city for the gm tour. they need to go to seattle or portland so everyone in the pnw can have a place that is close enough. aint no way i can fly to LA for the show. and LA is a terrible city.
didn't rhett say he pays for chat GPT or did i imagine that?
**Paradigm shifting wars escalating to potentially world wide conflict this year.**
Rhett - I'm scared of ai potential this year
Link- "Thank you for thanking me".
This guy, lol.
Watched q small portion of this both in the shower and on the toilet. I hear what you're getting at.😂 link tucking me in and telling me to put my phone away at the end 😂😂😂
I work with computers and software. Imo ai might never reach its next step to human consciousness. the process can be improved and make ai seem close to sentient in the near future. but currently creating a soul/sentient mind with 1's and 0's is just science fiction.
It definitely is possible
Maybe it's just me, but I'm not interested in Rhett and Link's bowel movements and bathroom talk. Can't even get thru a discussion on AI without Rhett bringing up sh*tting again.
That AI talk gave me anxiety, I don't like it!
A smart watch Rhett...buy a smart watch
I guess one positive of AI matching you to a partner you are compatible with would be less abuse, divorce, and people just staying together with no love.
Rhetts describing a pager. Why doesn't he realize it?! So infuriating lol
I’m over here with my average of 8 hours a day….
Link "buh-cuz"