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GTA IV's Cut Ferries & Hidden Unused Ferry Terminal Interior
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2020
- / badgergoodger / badgergoodger / discord Ferries were once going to be another mode of transport in Liberty City, but they only made an appearance in GTA IV's first trailer! What happened to these vehicles, and what remnants of them exist in the final game?
Fun fact: people used to drive the tug boat onto land to literally kill the lobbies frames in free roam sessions.
Good ol' times
Can’t believe I’d never even heard that was a thing until now hahaha.
bruh, i always played mp and i didn't even know this
I haven't play GTA 4 online a lot, but I knew about this bug. So laggy...
I wouldn't have guessed this would lag the whole game to everyone else in the lobby too, though.
@@andreaskowalsky6266 Theres some places that cause it worse than others, some areas just lag a part of the map and the closer you get the more your game chugs.
Something that I noticed both on the trailer and on the History of Liberty TV program is that the ferry doesn't rock with waves like other boats in the game do, even this early in development, so maybe they ran in a scripted line and were coded like subways where you pressed a button, Niko sat down and enjoyed the ride. If that's the case, a probable cause for it being cut is it could crash into and turn over boats on its way. Another theory I have is it caused havoc with the AIs inside the tunnel under the river, much in the same way the subway causes trouble for the AIs in the Algonquin Bridge.
This is why I want a GTA 4 EFLC remastered they can finally add all the cut content
@@trevorphilips9065 Would you then move to Liberty City Mr Philips?
That always annoys me how the trains mess with the AI on bridges, it's always when I have a nice car lol
I still wonder how is it possible that the Algonquin bridge subway affect the NPCs that way...
I played GTA 4 now and i can conform the booth tunnel and the possible AI problems related to it are not the reason why they removed it.
The booth tunnel is literally behind the dovks and the only places where the ferris could go are further south Algonquin and Happines island (both in south LC, while the booth tunnel is behind the ferris dock in Alderney).
I guess the only good reason is because of the too much space it would've required to be implemented (and even because of the LAG issue in Alderney dock).
the ol' tugboat bug used to crash people in gta 4 multiplayer sessions with that
Man. I miss staging terrorist attacking doing that
i never knew about it
I don't remember anything to do with Ferry's in GTA4 when playing on the PS3.
EmulatorGamingUK That’s because they never made it to the final game they were cut from the game meaning they never put them in the game
I think Staten Island was supposed to be in the game and I'm sure the ferry could take you there. Even in the in-game radio in one of the ads they specifically say "that one borough that no one can remember and no one really visits anyway." In real life NYC there's a ferry route to Staten Island
I was waiting for him to mention staten island and he never did
Staunton Island perhaps if they actually made it into the game.
@@LGLFanTeam12 It would have satisfied the people who wanted more wilderness, and any map expansion is a good one in many players' books. Maybe Niko would have been given a single-family safehouse there. The ferry would have been a major hot spot, and maybe some kind of bridge between Staunton Island and Broker would have been built as well. A couple burgershots and other restaurants/attractions would have been included as well, but it would be concentrated on the northeast segment of the island. The rest of the island would be single-family homes and wilderness.
It was never planned for the game, the beta map sketch didn't include it, you could learn this from another video Badger Goodger has made.
Actually, Yusuf’s construction site is where the Staten Island ferry is located IRL.
This is unrelated but I remember when playing online in GTA 4 , sometimes people would take the tugboats and pretend they were pirate ships and have pirate ship battles, GTA 4 multiplayer had people being so creative back then.
hahah i just had this happen a few days ago. Was messing about with tug boats on PC and got into a ship battle, and then we blew up and died.
This is a thing in GTA Online (GTA 5) aswell. Nice to know it originated from GTA 4!
I remember sessions getting crashed because of some asshole in a tugboat
the good ol days
Plz release another rant video about rockstar
This icon is used in the game, you can see it when going with Brucie for a boat ride.
This boat is slower then the loading times in gta v online lmfaoo 😂😂
No, still faster than gta 5
nothing is slower than GTA V loading screen
Oraneg Samot Sadly now that it’s getting remastered *again.* There’ll be fast loading times
@@rascallygoose4926 I doubt that. Theres going to be even more assets and textures to load and the servers are the same shitty ones as always.
What the hell are you guys playing GTA V on, Ataris? Amstrads? 🤣 Loading time for both SP and MP load pretty damn quick for me?
The "boattour" icon didn't indicate a Ferry Ride, it was for another cut feature from the game (which can be seen in the second trailer, I believe) which was the Water Taxi service. The Water Taxi missions were mentioned in a lot of the pre-release articles for the game, and the missions were presumably an extension of Roman's Taxi missions. But instead of taking people from place to place via car, you're doing the same thing via boat. Brucie's boat activity uses the left-over code from this.
Old version of the RAGE engine was having issue calculating collision between the TUG and dock. The TUG's collision is weird as it is. Referring to tring to put a bike on the TUG.
I think the removale of the Ferry came down to use of it. I think the idea of it, was similar to LCS's Ferry system. Where the player drive the car up to the Ferry and can go to and from with their car. I think at the time, with how new the RAGE Engine was at the time, they couldn't figure out how to do that.
ok so the collision calculation lag eventually removed the ferries😫
Hey, another fur!
@@BallistaTheDeer There's plenty of us, lol
Isn't it was EPHORIA engine or smth?
And another fur. Lol
this brings back nostalgic gta 4 airport memories.
That's just because your live sucks too much for nostalgic memories. Thank god there are games to escape reality . . . . . . . right? :-)
@@taunteratwill1787 what does that even mean...
“Its big enough for a car” *drives into the water*
At least it was featured in Liberty City Stories
Actualy the ferries where supost to be in GTA III, but for some unknown reason Rockstar cut them.
@@python86ourside9 clear Rockstar hates ferries 😂
@@lewishart9698 clearly rockstar loves ferries but can't figure out how to put them in their games without them destroying the game
@@python86ourside9 Ever took a ride on them in that game? It's boring as shit, I'll take the Porter Road tunnel complex over those ferries any day of the week.
@@luk4hoplite157 ferries are too powerful
Imagine if we got GTA IV was released with most of the good beta stuff? That'd be cool. Unfortunately, there's some stuff we'll never know was cut, since GTA IV is a huge game. Glad to see more things are being discovered about this game. Gives and insight to what they planned in the early stages of their game(s).
Imagine if the game was released with the whole Liberty Estate, including the woods and montains, maybe small towns or even Carcer City
Tezviqe GTA 4 multiplayer originally was supposed to feature players being able to rob places/stores according to hidden game files, but was cut in the final version. Also planes and jets were supposed to be in the game but were scrapped as well, rockstar thought liberty city was too small for planes
Now they just casually remaster GTA V for the second time... now for PS5, lul.
Like barber shop
You never seem to disappoint Badger. Its got me thinking, Ferries would have been a great addition to create that immersion as vibrant living Liberty City. Another thing was, Did they cut them because it took too much assets in order to create a route and create different ferry docks. Another probable Ferry dock location can be the Steinway neighborhood docks at north Broker, people spawn there at the parking lot and around that dock . I mean LCS had a Ferry system that I actually used for transport. I guess R* also suggested that probably players wouldn't use the ferry as much which is true honestly. I know I would have just to keep in that immersion. Look forward to your next video, also leaving those ads to run you deserve it.
And they did keep that cable car which is probably one of the least used features in any GTA game.
1:26 - Just like how the ferry terminal is closed, Firefly Island was actually shut down in GTA IV. Similar to how New York's Coney Island was during 2008. Just a lil' trivia I found on the wiki. Great attention to detail, Rockstar!
Oh hey! This just reminded me of Something similar I can comment on, back in 2008 when the game had recently released, I had a friend doing building development/scripting for gta 4, obviously I cannot say who as that would be a violation of his privacy and what not. Anyway, at the time I was into boats and stuff related to that, so I asked him what boat related stuff had been cancelled/removed from the game, one of those things was ferry related stuff, they did not get into it much but it was said that it got scrapped in the middle of development,
*as you had suggested*, and it had to do with the lag created by the boats and some other performance issues regarding that, unfinished/unoptimized scripts, ect. The reason it was cut was still mostly unclear unfortunately but he did say this: "likely because of time restrictions, didn't know why or really cared at the time to be honest with you. We where getting close to release and I had to move on to another project." I just realized at the time of typing this, the video is 9 months old. Hopefully you see it, enjoyed the video man!
Tips to modders: please make a Ferry mod
And remember how Rockstar cut the ferries in GTA III but they reuse the idea in GTA Lcs, but anyway was nice to see and hear about the ferries in GTA IV, another amazing Badger video.
My guess for why ferries were cut is maybe because of how they would have to maneuver when docking. Like you did with the tugboat, you had to stop and reverse it into the Algonquin docks. These vehicles like the subway and the planes that circle the city are on a track. Maybe the ferry being on a track caused it to move unrealistically. Surely it wouldn't have moved like a boat where it just sits on the water and moved around like a boat with an AI actually taking control of it. Surely it would have been on a track, like the ferry in GTA III/LCS.
In TBOGT, Yusuf Amir was planned to build a tower at Algunquin ferry terminal, so that can explain why there's no ferry services.
The Ferry was actually scripted to transport the player from Alderney to Happiness Island. And maybe to IV's version of Staten Island.
Stop coming here everywhere
Hey do you know what happened to the R8 from MCLA? That was a social club exclusive.
You think Staten Island was supposed to be added in the game as well?
What about The Carraways? (The Hamptons) 😉🙂🤔
@Andreas Kowalsky oh yeah, those too!
@ROCKSTARMANIC Well, after MCLA servers were shut down in 2013, so was the only way to get the R8. Completing the prerequisites does nothing for you now because it won't register anywhere, and the R8 was a server-based unlock.
My man with the GTA 4 content. Haven't watched it all yet because its posted like 3 mins ago lol, but I know its gonna be good
yes.
hell yeah I just turned it on and paused it and was reading the comments and I'm going to save it and watch it in a little bit badger Goodger really does nail it on all the videos that I've seen
This amazing game still has secrets. That's so cool. I'd like to see someone mod ferries in. I wonder why they cut it?
The countryside (the small towns, fields and woods of New York/Liberty City State) was cut from GTA IV too.
At least they could have done was to put ferries in EFLC...
Kinda surprising they didn’t, must’ve not been close enough to functional
9:28 for a moment there I thought that this could be the swing glitch 2.0 lol 😂
GTA IV is like RDR2 when it comes to unused props. Like that island where the crew gets stranded in Ch 5(I think), it was actually supposed to be fully explorable with a cave as the camp. Players could ride back and forth between the mainland and the island. Also Mexico was supposed to be in the game.
GTA IV is one of my favourite games and seeing all these insights I never noticed when I played it is really cool, hope you have more stuff like this planned for the future!
Imagine what this game could’ve been. Idk if watched all the removed content, but gta IV has more cut content than all of the other gtas.
@@conformconsumeobey2985 maybe we will get a remake instead of remaster someday with all the lost features
5:10 I think that R* wasnt planning on making it having a interior, even if it really was a ferry terminal. Its just a small detail like the beta transparent roof of the main Bank of Liberty building, which, perhaps was causing performance issues and because of that, they made it opaque. Another reason might be that they felt it being unnecessary, as you cant see the roof from the interior of the bank, but forgot to make these "ferry terminal" windows opaque aswell.
Cool
We just wanna believe it that way.
The ramps leading into the water are boat launching ramps. When a truck has a boat on a trailer, it requires those ramps to allow the boat to easily be transferred into the water.
No because if you do it with a trailer, the trailer will fall in the water and you will get stuck. The car falls in the water. If it was for boat trailers, needs to be a smooth ramp to the ocean floor.
Cant believe they let go the ferry transportation system but do the cable car system under the algonquin bridge, ferry seems more important it terms of immersion to me, most people dont even know there is a cable car in this game
samee
Who else remembers driving all the way to the top of Alderney to get the Sultan RS? GTA IV was better than V in my opinion. I always miss this game
Driving all the way there from Broker to get it only to have them spawn everywhere once you had it. Good times, great game.
Hated crashing it and having to go back to that bush lol
Check zmoonchild's videos
certainly had more fun with it.. collisions were more real, mowing over a ton of pedestrians didnt bring your car almost to a stop, car damage was better, even flying out of the car was alot more enjoyable :/
I agree
I saw somewhere that GTA IV was originally supposed to take place in Liberty county, not just Liberty city, so the ferries may take you to the countryside and back to save time. This idea was later cancelled (probably due to HW limitations) so it could be one of the reasons why they removed them..
There's another glass building in Algonquin near the docks, it has trees inside
For a mall?
My game has the trees too
5:36
There is a second building near that one, that has also the same dark green tinted glass and an interior with staircases and a full tree inside. I'm wondering if it is related to that one. Although it's collision is only near the entrance the fact, that the building is at the smaller docks makes me wondering if it was related to the smaller boats.
Or is the slowdown because the game is trying to execute some glitchy code when the tug is placed there? It's somewhat unlikely, but an interesting thought.
Fairies were cut from GTA IV.
Oh god no..
I can't believe this, Rockstar wouldn't do this to me.(
(Crying while eating ice cream and watching the glory days of Rockstar's Table Tennis).
I'm moving to Ubisoft they'll never break my heart.
Uhh... They will
@@inferno7997 that's the joke there
@애드머럴 that's the joke
Dont forget the "dock" in northern Dukes/Broker this one: i.imgur.com/QsEeZax.jpg This could also been a ferry terminal at one point
It would have been a cool feature, I never liked having to go to Alderney City just to go south or southeast again. Maybe West River should have had more bridges connecting Algonquin to Alderney.
It would be cool if they made a newer version of this game with all the cut things back in, the ferry boats, planes, climbing telephone poles, and liberty state. Then they should give you the option of playing between the current version we all have, and one with all the cut stuff put back in. Come on rockstar, if you are hearing this, please do so, at least do this for an anniversary of the game.
Why don't they just make a new game then
Oddjob PlayzPS4 because they wouldn’t need to, they’d just implement the beta stuff in like they had before. We all know they still have a version with all the beta stuff on it somewhere at R*
They should do this to all of the GTA games especially 4 and San Andreas
You are awesome!
GTA 3 and 4 have always got the most interesting cut features and beta stuff
also sanandreas
Vice City had the best cut content of them all.
Awesome video. I love all of these including the ones you host for Vadim.
This is honestly the coolest video I've ever seen in regards to GTA IV.
Wow very interesting. My theory is that the tug boat was originally the ferry boat model, but because of the slow down, they just changed the model, and spawned the boat far away from the terminal, due to the slow down.
When I looked at the GTA 4 trailer I always wondered about this ferry terminal it definitely feels like some unfinished part of the map.
Remember GTA Liberty City Stories that game had working Ferry Terminal that you could use to travel between Portland and Staunton Island.
Something like that for GTA 4 with more detailed interior would have been cool.
It feels strange to me theres no normal way of travelling to Happiness Island other than stealing helicopter or a boat.
This is the best channel I have seen in a while you will blow up soon trust me keep it up badger goodger❤
What happened when you got the tug in the dock is that the model got stuck in such a way that the physics went wild, basically you're hitting both sides of the dock and the phys engine is pinging both sides constantly, which causes the lag, normally when you hit something The game checks to see if it's solid, and then that returns true and then the vehicle "bounces" away from it, which may or may not be noticeable depending on the speed of the impact. And thats normally the end of it, but here , because it's stuck, it's essentially bouncing between both sides of the dock nearly every frame. I don't think that's why they were cut because they could just make the ferry model narrower so it wouldn't hit both sides of the dock at once. The tug boat is just slightly too wide for the dock.
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Wow! You´ve almost got 21k subs already, but we all know you deserve more
Its almost like its trying to find a script when you place it in the right location and the game crashes because the script is missing
seems like it.
@@MuseBySecrecy that would still mean a script is attached to it thats missing
deanoward I think it being a huge vehicle bigger than any other classed as such in the game that has to react to the psychics of the water is more likely what’s happening
Amazing content man. I like how you don't make clickbait GTA VI videos.
Makes sense. There seemed to be a lack of travel options from lower Algonquin to Alderney.
Literally drunk downloaded GTA IV when i noticed it came back to steam, first thing i did was go find the nearest hovercraft and drove around the city, first 5 turns and i un-intentionally ended up at the swing set.
My PS3 days as a kid have not eluded me.
Another great and interesting video! I think it was a combination of the collision problems on console and the AI traffic in the booth tunnel that made them scrap it. Maybe they had problems getting the ferry to work as a vehicle with the water physics (with all the cars on top/smoothly getting the AI to dock), so they made it like the subways/planes and then it broke the tunnel AI? The ferry not interacting with the water probably wouldn't look right either. Especially if they had a scripted docking sequence that it had to transition into after interacting properly with the water.
Awesome video and good detective work!
Wow great video. Does anyone remember a glitch north of Algonquin, over the water near the rocks, pedestrians would spawn over floating in the air and then fall into the water...
i think that glitch isn't working in tlad, atleast for me it isn't
I think the radar boat tour is used during the Brucie's powerboat friendship activity.
If you pause the game during the cutscene where Niko, Brucie and his girls get out the car (a Huntley Sport with a unique paint job) to get to the boat, you can see the radar boat tour at the boat location.
i see your point but i see a more simple reason like them being on a time crunch to release it so they could not release alot of the stuff, it would make it a gta to remember for sure if they did add all that stuff alittle bit like LCS.
Oh damn I noticed this was just posted.
I swear I remember there being some fast travel or feature to get to Happiness Island, and it's a real shame they most likely removed fairies, it seems like it would've been nice.
Perhaps they intended the ferries to just loop and be a tourist thing as opposed to actual transport. Leaves the terminal, goes around the city and goes back into the same terminal. But that other terminal sounds legit as well. But still riding them wouldn't have been that interesting, however seeing them as scenery would have been.
Great video once again Badger
Great video. For the next time please do show the speed of the timer you used to speed up the tug boat. It's a nice detail, that's kinda cool to know.
I love your videos, your research is great and I like listening to your theories
That's awesome you used the fox sports scoreboard layout in the beginning
Nice vid and Congos on your new Discovery :)
Good vid. Fun to have this explored. Heres hoping someone may go ahead with a mod to restore these and give their interpretation of the interior.
LMAO I love the baseball game intro! And I've been waiting for this for a while! Thanks
Thanks for making this video dude it’s awesome!
I just got this in my recommended, i subbed! Nice video :)
I never knew about a ferry but that would of been fun
Wonderful video man. GTA 4 is fascinating.
Very good video man, well done. Very interesting.
Badger the kind of person who would go the extra mile to show a possible cut feature in a game, risking his computer in the process.
For some reason the Tug boat causes the game to seriously slow down in both PS3 and Xbox 360 when you try to dock it anywhere not just the ferry terminal.
Wow some pretty remarkable discoveries there indeed, I don't think I've ever been to those Ferry Terminal locations before, despite that main one being such an iconic part of the trailer😮 you guys have really done some great work here!👍👏
Seeing this, makes me want to load up GTA IV again to explore those locations, and experiment with the Tugboat too😛 though as some people mentioned in the comments, I've also experienced those times in Multiplayer when a modder would spawn a Tugboat on land, which would lag out the game so badly to the point of usually crashing😫😂
So this is why that island felt so inaccurate inaccessible. I had no idea that ferries were cut during development. Very nice insight!
Lmao that opening
I want to see that tv show
Bro please post more your content is the best
Brilliant video Badger.
You sir just earned yourself a new subscriber
Awesome channel this great content. I downloaded the gta trilogy on ps4 after watch you vice city beta video haha. Keep up the good work
Another good video! Bro hope your next one is about GTA 5 beta or something like that
One thing to remember if you were around when GTA IV was coming out; it was delayed as it was by like a year. I remember big GTA IV display with the original date boxes, just being left empty time and time again as the date got moved back, and yet again didn’t arrive. My HMV actually took down all the marketing and displays because nobody knew when it would finally come out.
I’ve always had the feeling that a lot of things (possibly the ferry terminal too) got put off until later stages of development, to then realise they were so behind on the game as it was, they just had to leave them alone to get the game on shelves. Then next thing you know, they’ve got RDR to finish (which was also a nightmare with bugs and physics all through development apparently) and then GTA V.
Another great video, keep it up mate 👍
Fan fact: the Hoboken terminal in New York was originally was owned by the Erie Lackawanna Railroad Company. In fact, it was common for Railroads to use ferries in cities like New York and San Francisco during the 19th and early 20th century.
My guess is that Ferries were likely similar to subways and went on a specific path and could potentially ram into boats that crossed it's path.
Someone else reminded me of how the trains running under the Algonquin bridge would cause vehicle traffic to freak out and immediately break or change lanes. Maybe the ferries would also disrupt traffic in the Booth Tunnel and cause cars to stop or start crashing into each other, which would basically block your path.
Having flashbacks of using that swing glitch to launch cars across the map.
We had so much more fun playing GTA IV and RDR online than GTAV Online and RDR2 Online
5:12 so this is where my 85% allocating memory for playing GTA IV went
Always quality content!
dude....u win the "Best Intro Evea" ...that was just to good.....
_This thing is as slow as loading time of GTA Online._
*Y E S*
Nothing is slower than the loading screen of GTA Online.
@@channe3049 my will to live going up
Bruh... I think I must have played this game for over 1000 hours by now, but I never even noticed there was a tugboat, much less drove it! Thought I knew everything about GTA IV but y'all are blowing my mind!
I had no idea. That's very neat. Thanks for sharing!
EDIT: I've never been in the ferry terminal. No clue that people spawned there. Very cool.
Great find. Interesting video.
I remember when this channel was at 965 subs... how times have changed..
Its interesting considering ferries were used in GTA liberty City stories so you would think they could modify that to work in GTA 4, it's possible they decided they were redundant, unless they really did visit the statue of happiness, and were to glitchy to fix.
Back then when I first saw the Trailer I was sooo excited to see this Ferry Terminal, I was sad because it never really showed up in the Game with the Ferrys. Now I reinstalled the game and was all nostalgic, re-watched the trailer before as well. And then I searched for what happened to this Ferry Terminal and found this video :)
I think the logical thing to ferries being removed from the game is simply the fact the game likely didn't support ai finding pathways on off rails moving vehicles. They'd have to be seated down.
This wasn't a thing in Red Dead Redemption either unless the train was fully stopped or there was hard scripting during a mission. During RDR2 however, the trains seem to be coded to have pathways for ai to maneuver on and weren't treated weirdly either. One thing I noticed immediately between the two was the fact you couldn't use your laso on the train in the first game but can in the second. I'm guessing it may be tied somewhere to player movement on an object. Nevertheless, very interesting video and fascinating discovery in regards to the bug at the docks, that very well could have been it.