Your English Get Stuck Because of Comprehensive Input! | 为啥「可理解性输入」人人叫好，你输入个半载也不见效？
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输入了足够多之后，如果不主动输出的话，也不能熟练掌握一门语言，就比如现在很多年轻人对自己的方言听得懂而不会说。
Comprehensible input (as well as Krashen's other hypotheses) is based on kids' acquisition of their monther tongues, so I would say for beginners it's building kindergarten-level comprehension and communication skills. Therefore, grammar and some other aspects of language are not the focus.
Whether or not a material is "comprehensible" or "intriguing" is rather personal. The definition of "comprehensible" is "comprehensible to the student/learner," so it's based on the the learner's current level of the target language. The same goes with the term "intriguing" - what might be intriguing to one person may not be so intriguing to another. In a nutshell, it's very important to find materials you mostly understand (90-95%) and would enjoy, and to immerse yourself _massively_ in your target language.
If you're learning on your own, chances are you might come to a point where you understand but cannot speak. If this happens, you can read aloud the contents.
Also, contrary to learning other skills, it's better not to ask too much "why's" in terms of language learning.
However, I do believe at one point grammar has to come in, but that should come at a later stage. It's just like you didn't learn grammar rules when you were still a baby, but once you started school, you had to learn it.
Learning grammar as a native speaker aims to understand how writing works. So illiterate people who don’t know how to write or read a language need not to learn grammar systematically. As a second language learner, when to learn grammar would be decided by the goal of learning this language. For most Chinese English learners, they learn English mostly for passing the exam. So the learning path would be decided by phases of language assessments. If writing is placed in the early phase, they must learn grammar in the same phase. However for other languages learners, if they learn languages to just for communication purposes like having a small talk with local people, obviously, they don’t need to learn grammar systematically.
Most people miss professor Krashen’s theory by 50%. It is called Comprehensible AND compelling input.
Compelling is not necessary and it’s only for the consistency reason. If you are able to be consistent in any learning resources, compelling would be of no necessities.
It' impressed me a lot..people usually blindly follow these random recommendations by other people, but they don't think theirselves deeply what they need, what really suit for them.
任何语言习得假说都是从某个角度解释语言习得规律。这本身就没有好坏之分，更没有哪一种假说适用所有情形，或没有任何限制。懂得这个规律，就不会把某一种学习方法奉为圭臬，而是根据自己情况，个性化定制学习。但不可否认的是，某些实际训练方法在语言学习早期拥有不可替代的作用，比如机械重复记忆，影子跟读，主动回想，或主动学习等。
学习语音好像只有这两种方法了，非此即彼，既然传统的学习方法枯燥且收效甚微，为什么不试试另一个呢？
可理解输入里面说的输入材料必须有趣可能是因为兴趣而引发自己的内驱力，完全是因为兴趣主动接纳陌生的信息
还有输入材料里面的高频词汇也会让读者更快的接受陌生的单词，这比起单纯记忆单词来说可能更高效
这集内容有些凌乱重复，不如前一集有帮助! 还是要谢谢你的努力，理解做这类视频很不简单！
I think today in the language learning community, the “anki/srs/flashcard” team is more popular and influential, but it have a lot of issues. Comprehensible input is a bit less known but grew in popularity, and I find it the most effective, but it’s a part of the language learning process, not the only thing to do, (for example it don’t improve your output skills)
你说的条条马路通罗马，不一定用同一种方式。是指的不用大量的输入这个方法？还是在用大量的输入这个方法的时候。有很多种方式去选择？比如有人推荐我《哈利波特》的书。或者《老友记》的美剧，我可能不喜欢，我换其他我喜欢的学习资料？
你说的不同的方式是指选择不同的学习资料进行大量的输入？
請問 老師 在台灣想買有什麼方法
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一直不知道为啥人们推荐哈利波特这种有一大堆生活中完全用不到的奇幻词的东西，其实是非常难且非常没效率的输入材料。感觉单纯是因为有名，单纯因为对它感兴趣的人多。喜欢哈利波特还好，不喜欢的人就不用去强读了，明显不符合输入理论了。我学日文三个月后就尝试读了带很多科幻词的一个很难的材料，因为材料难自己又是第一次阅读，几乎每句话都要查词不然读不下去。虽然不符合可理解输入，但因为喜欢那材料所以完全不痛苦，完了还想再读其他的，而且读完后真感觉收获很多。
聽君一席話如聽一席話
到最後也沒有半點建設性的建議
每集都是這樣，就只是想賣課而已
但連個屁都講不出來
是要買個雞毛
Learning grammar as a native speaker aims to understand how writing works. So illiterate people who don’t know how to write or read a language need not to learn grammar systematically. As a second language learner, when to learn grammar would be decided by the goal of learning this language. For most Chinese English learners, they learn English mostly for passing the exam. So the learning path would be decided by phases of language assessments. If writing is placed in the early phase, they must learn grammar in the same phase. However for other languages learners, if they learn languages to just for communication purposes like having a small talk with local people, obviously, they don’t need to learn grammar systematically.
废话好多
等了一个视频 都没有解决问题的办法或者见解
有一个疑问，一开始播主说 如果comprehensive input 无效，肯定是方法有问题。结果后面第二点又说没人能证明他们的进步完全是因为comprehensive input, 很多人这种方法都失败了。那作者的立场是什么？立场是肯定有效，但却不一定能让你特别厉害？是这个意思吗？
请问您是哪里的口音，real,read,都和我学的发音不一样呢。非常感谢你的视频。
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