Wilson Fisk Origin - Tragic Story Of Abuse And Bullying Of World's Most Powerful Crime Lord Explored

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  • Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
  • Wilson Fisk wasn't always the feared crime lord that he became later in life. Wilson was an unpopular and chubby kid, who was mercilessly picked on by his peers as a kid. Not partaking in the usual athletic activities of kids his age, Fisk discovered a knack for uncovering the weaknesses of others-and using them to his advantage. This proved to be a much-desired skill he'd carry into adulthood, as the criminal mastermind of New York. Wilson Fisk is ruthless, cunning, and wide-bellied, and while he lacks the superpowers of most of his foes, he does have the brains to outsmart them, at least for some time. Fisk has clashed with heroes, antiheroes, and villains alike, and has been at the center of many, if not most, wrongdoings committed in New York City. He does everything it takes to keep his grip on the New York underworld, which is why he's known as the Kingpin.
    Kingpin is a famous Marvel villain who first appeared in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man #50 in 1967. Fisk began gathering power in organized crime at a young age and swiftly rose to become one of New York's most influential figures. Fisk's escapades constantly brought him into confrontations with Spider-Man and Daredevil, despite the fact that he used his intelligence and clout to hide his illicit operations. This eventually led to attempts to enter politics, which attracted Matt Murdock's notice. In the comics, the two have sparred numerous times, with Kingpin ordering assassinations on Matt's pals and exposing his double life to the world. Whenever a hero has managed to apprehend Fisk, he has always managed to escape. Today we will take a look at the most powerful crime lord on earth and wade through the murky waters of his past. Let us drive right in!
    0:00 Intro
    2:09 The Kingpin First Appearance
    4:13 The Kingpin Dark Origin
    7:01 Kingpin's Major Story Arcs
    16:47 Kingpin's Exceptional Powers
    19:03 Kingpinís Appearance In Animated TV Series, Movies & In Live-Action Television Series
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  • @seanchan4478
    @seanchan4478 2 года назад +22

    When my no comic book friends ask me about the kingpin, I ask them "if not him, then who?" Meaning somebody will fill that role regardless, Fisk was the man willing to do it, and he keeps his crime organized, instead of a chaotic mess that can lead to more death, destruction, and innocent people caught in the cross fire.

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад +2

      Eh, he never cared too much about innocents, more about making sure everything ran consistently and smoothly
      And that he was shown respect at all times

    • @seanchan4478
      @seanchan4478 2 года назад +1

      @@ComicBookGuy420 oh, absolutely, he isn't a bleeding heart trying to clean up the streets for the common man. I only meant that his form of organized crime is just much more polished

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад +1

      @@seanchan4478 oh yeah, lot less chaos under Fisk, less chaos more money

  • @DailyDriver.
    @DailyDriver. 11 месяцев назад +5

    Vincent is the most incredible version of this villain. I adore his portrayal of this villain!

  • @Dont_Be_Afraid_0222
    @Dont_Be_Afraid_0222 Год назад +18

    "YOU HURT HER! YOU HURT VANESSA!!!" People may disagree with Fisk's tactics, but he wasn't about to let anyone hurt those he loved, and live to tell the story. I #respect that.

  • @iangabrielalcantara7756
    @iangabrielalcantara7756 2 года назад +11

    I always imagine Kingpin is like a more powerful version of The Penguin in terms of raw strength and intelligence.

    • @OldBaldWookiee
      @OldBaldWookiee 3 месяца назад +1

      Yeah hes kinda like penguin grundy (minus the immortality) and riddler all wrapped into one

  • @milesdorst7120
    @milesdorst7120 Год назад +6

    Wilson Fisk is Marvel’s greatest villain, second to none

  • @davidcase8635
    @davidcase8635 2 года назад +18

    Wilson Fisk, A.K.A. Kingpin will be the next Thanos of the M.C.U.
    Just like the Devil's Reign comic storyline where Wilson Fisk is the newly elected Mayor of New York City!

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад +1

      My guess is either Kang, or Dr Doom
      As cool as Fisk is, they are so above his head in terms of power
      Fisk runs a city and has aspirations of global dominance
      Kang is focused on cosmic matters, and Doom rules a country with cosmic implications

    • @damianprock1650
      @damianprock1650 Год назад +1

      @@ComicBookGuy420 not if he has Spider-Man's most powerful foes on his payroll, I'll even list em if you like

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 Год назад

      @@damianprock1650
      Look at the 2 names I mentioned
      Kang and Doom
      Miles above Fisk in terms of power
      So what does that say about their power compared to someone Kingpin might hire
      Feel free to list any names you might have found on Wikipedia, won't change the fact that Doom is playing on another level

    • @davidcase8635
      @davidcase8635 7 дней назад

      ​@@damianprock1650 Please do.

  • @Critic_Chris90210
    @Critic_Chris90210 2 года назад +22

    Loved Kingpin's origin explained in the 90's Spider-Man animated series. His father left him behind and he decided to ethier rot or learn which he chose plan B by doin his time, erasing his criminal background,etc and that meant loose ends by sending his father to prison which by that time, he'll most likely die in. Lol. At the end of that two parter episode, he's left wondering how many days till his son will do the same to him.

    • @damianprock1650
      @damianprock1650 Год назад

      Yeah, weird

    • @BrotherDerrick3X
      @BrotherDerrick3X Год назад +1

      I thought he outright had his father killed.

    • @damianprock1650
      @damianprock1650 Год назад

      @@BrotherDerrick3X I don't think so

    • @BrotherDerrick3X
      @BrotherDerrick3X Год назад

      @@damianprock1650 I'm certain that he did.

    • @damianprock1650
      @damianprock1650 Год назад

      @@BrotherDerrick3X not if you remember the time his father and his cellmate, Lonnie Lincoln A.K.A Tombstone helped him frame Joseph "Robbie" Robertson for a crime he didn't commit and stage a prison escape from Ryker's Island

  • @saintakins187
    @saintakins187 2 года назад +20

    At this point Wilson Fisk Kingpin is what you will get if any mob boss has that much power in New York before it got gentrified to hell & back.
    When Wilson Fisk Kingpin got back at his deadbeat dad in the animated series of Spider-Man, that was priceless seeing the look of his deadbeat dad's face Instant Karma for a deadbeat parent.😎

  • @cesaralejandro7725
    @cesaralejandro7725 2 года назад +13

    Wilson Fisk is my favorite marvel villain.

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад +1

      Daredevil born again if you read comics
      It is fisk at his worst/best

    • @allenscott68
      @allenscott68 2 года назад +1

      Zulu swashbuckler.
      Spiderman was one of my favorite super heroes he was more closer to reality and so was Wilson fist the kingpin.

    • @damianprock1650
      @damianprock1650 Год назад +1

      Mine too

  • @TraciPeteyforlife
    @TraciPeteyforlife 2 года назад +28

    This is why you don't bully. Other wise the bullied kids become crime lords who take on Spiderman.

    • @Critic_Chris90210
      @Critic_Chris90210 2 года назад

      Yea, the victim becomes the aggressor. I'd know because I was a victim in school for years but at when I was at a certain age, I towered over my bullies and they got what they deserved in good Ole ass beating

    • @Joshth1983
      @Joshth1983 2 года назад +1

      Wise words indeed.

    • @damianprock1650
      @damianprock1650 Год назад +1

      And have the most powerful of Spider-Man's foes on his payroll

    • @XxDoctorGregxX
      @XxDoctorGregxX 2 месяца назад

      Bill gates and Jeff bezos for example

    • @Player_36C
      @Player_36C 18 дней назад

      @@XxDoctorGregxX
      I dont believe either one of them could take on kingpin and win let alone survive.

  • @KumaoftheForest
    @KumaoftheForest 2 года назад +3

    Got to love when Peter Parker casually hands Kingpin a HUGE L while fighting him in prison

  • @dychrisshandonsmith1242
    @dychrisshandonsmith1242 2 года назад +4

    Love yourself first and most
    Believe in yourself
    Quitters never win and winners never quit
    Don't give up and never give in
    Ignore those who try to discourage you
    Hang on to your dreams
    Take control of own destiny

    • @Utilizador-gs3lx
      @Utilizador-gs3lx 2 года назад

      Hang out to your dreams and you to can create a crime
      empire

  • @ericokonkwo7771
    @ericokonkwo7771 2 года назад +21

    Can't help but wonder who is more Clever and has a more dominant Crew, Kingpin (Marvel), Two-Face (DC), or Black Mask (DC). Interesting Gang or Terf-War Fight/Battle!

    • @Critic_Chris90210
      @Critic_Chris90210 2 года назад +3

      @ Eric okonwo: Others probly answered by now, but I'd say Lex Luthor is more dangerous than Kingpin. Just seeing what all Lex did in Justice League Unlimited. If they worked together without double crossing each other, they'd be a terrible pair to match wits with.

    • @ghostdog1758
      @ghostdog1758 2 года назад +2

      Good vs line up.

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад +1

      Two Face is cool, but unstable, and his crew are more terrified than respectful of him, in case they get shot for no rational reason
      Ditto for Black Mask
      Kingpins crew is terrified of him and react accordingly, but their incompetence (heroes gotta win) makes them often ineffective
      6 of one, half a dozen of the other

    • @ReeeeeToaded
      @ReeeeeToaded Год назад

      The Catholic church is harder then these clowns.

  • @dychrisshandonsmith1242
    @dychrisshandonsmith1242 2 года назад +3

    Thanks you for your video and channel

  • @Thatguyyoudontknow594
    @Thatguyyoudontknow594 Год назад +4

    He does have superpowers he is that big with 1% body fat 99% muscle 😭😭😭

  • @johnryder1713
    @johnryder1713 2 года назад +5

    Kingpin is the very definition of don't pick on another kid, you don't know what they'll turn into!

    • @sarahsims6164
      @sarahsims6164 2 года назад +1

      Technically, the same logic could apply to many comic book supervillains, both Marvel and DC.

    • @johnryder1713
      @johnryder1713 2 года назад +2

      @@sarahsims6164 Well I'd say a spoiled rich kid like Harry Osbourne and his dad weren't the case, but it could be said about Jason Voorhees more than anyone more

  • @ComicBookGuy420
    @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад +5

    Daredevil Born Again
    One of Fisks men made a few unseemly sarcastic comments in Fisks direction
    Fisk calmly killed him before continuing the meeting, ignoring the horrified looks from his men
    This is Fisk, crime run with an iron fist, in an orderly fashion, profit and respect above all
    Respect to be shown at all times to the Kingpin

  • @dychrisshandonsmith1242
    @dychrisshandonsmith1242 2 года назад +4

    Keep it up on your work and this video and channel

  • @manmeetsinghsekhon8649
    @manmeetsinghsekhon8649 2 года назад +4

    You guys are so good n the sincerity toward making good content is visible. Good job guys, respect.

  • @Gyrfalcon312
    @Gyrfalcon312 2 года назад +2

    This is a neat Cliffs Notes overview of the comic character. No doubt that many who watch this will get out and buy the associated single issues and arcs - good job.

  • @creigturner726
    @creigturner726 8 месяцев назад

    great episode

  • @dychrisshandonsmith1242
    @dychrisshandonsmith1242 2 года назад +1

    I ❤️ this video and channel

  • @clemstriker
    @clemstriker 2 года назад +3

    Not sure if it was an oversight but you forgot to mention the kingpin is played by Vincent D'Onofrio's on the netflix series, he was the only actor not credited in the narration.

    • @damianprock1650
      @damianprock1650 Год назад

      I dunno, when it comes to the rest of the MCU, I'd like the Big Show to play him and we know how devastating he is in the WWE

  • @bobberkins2282
    @bobberkins2282 2 года назад +1

    This is great tx :)

  • @ihatekpoop6229
    @ihatekpoop6229 2 года назад +4

    In the comics punisher max he feed his father to a hungry rats

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад +1

      Punisher Max was awesome
      But it was another version, not actual cannon, I enjoyed their version of Bullseye myself

  • @TheMiKeYM1KE
    @TheMiKeYM1KE 2 года назад +6

    Great video big dog 🤙🏽
    Kingpin is one of my top 5 Marvel villains of all time.
    Would love to see you cover DC characters as well !

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад +1

      Bane
      The proper comic book version, Santa Prisca, Pena Dura, Osito, Knightfall, all of it

    • @TheMiKeYM1KE
      @TheMiKeYM1KE 2 года назад +1

      @@ComicBookGuy420 Yes! Bro bro yes! Lol
      I would love to see Batista play Bane in the new version of the DCEU.

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад +1

      @@TheMiKeYM1KE as cool as batista would be, he is awesome, especially in riddick, Bane is meant to be Spanish, or at least Latin
      I was thinking CG like they did with Juggernaut and colossus,
      Danny Trejo voiced

    • @TheMiKeYM1KE
      @TheMiKeYM1KE 2 года назад +1

      @@ComicBookGuy420 Lol Bruh I was ready to argue but damn that’s a great idea too!. I would love to hear Danny Trejo’s gravely voice as a huge CG version of Bane.
      I believe Batista is Filipino even tho they’re technically Asian , they have some Spanish blood in their Im sure lol No but seriously I think Batista could pass and I’m Latino so I wouldn’t personally be offended or feel like he’s appropriating.

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад +1

      @@TheMiKeYM1KE I wasn't sure with the fillipino thing, whether or not they have Latin ancestry?
      Either way, I could see batista as bane, but yeah, CG with Trejo would be my preference

  • @damaniqphillip2756
    @damaniqphillip2756 2 года назад

    awesome

  • @mrsam7779
    @mrsam7779 2 года назад +1

    Kingpin as the main villain for Spiderman 4.

  • @rayden120
    @rayden120 2 года назад +2

    Kingpin vs Black Mask. The battle of the white suits lol

  • @dr.strangelove.miguelaleja2825
    @dr.strangelove.miguelaleja2825 2 года назад

    ASOMBROOSO

  • @damianstarks3338
    @damianstarks3338 2 года назад +1

    One of the greatest villains in the mcu and one of the greatest crime lords in marvel comics history. Like what they are doing with him in the new devil’s reign series.

  • @erictbrown1
    @erictbrown1 2 года назад +2

    I always liked the Kingpin

  • @Rougrou1597
    @Rougrou1597 2 года назад +3

    Fisk killed a man when he was just a kid by setting him on fire when he got paid to do an arson job

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад

      Trust me, that isn't isn't the worst he's done

    • @Rougrou1597
      @Rougrou1597 2 года назад

      @@ComicBookGuy420 I already know that just pointing out he has already killed before he was 11

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад

      @@Rougrou1597 yep, gotta love sadistic storylines

  • @maccurtis730
    @maccurtis730 2 года назад +2

    A video was worthy of Marvel's Greatest New York City Crime Lord. 😠

  • @biguy617
    @biguy617 Год назад

    It might be interesting is if the Schemer joined forces with Hobgoblin

  • @chengfu7063
    @chengfu7063 5 месяцев назад

    What makes the Kingpin so dangerous is that he's sane super power nut case with daddy issues or issues of life

  • @TelestoTheBesto
    @TelestoTheBesto 2 года назад +2

    Now here's the real question...
    Is Kingpin a Spider-Man villain or a Daredevil villain?

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад

      Or a punisher villain?
      He's gotten personal with all of them, but he never went out and tried to ruin their lives like he did with Daredevil

    • @TelestoTheBesto
      @TelestoTheBesto 2 года назад

      @@ComicBookGuy420 But he's had most of his interactions with Spider-Man. And he's very recognizable as a Spider-Man villain. Though I'd personally call him a Daredevil villain, since his battles with Daredevil are quite iconic.

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад

      @@TelestoTheBesto he started in Spiderman
      And had a lot to do with the webslinger
      But like I said, with daredevil, he made it personal
      He killed daredevils father
      And addicted Karen to drugs before making her spill who daredevil actually was
      Then he ruined matts life and got bullseye to finish the job with karen, before nearly levelling hells kitchen
      (He hired nuke to do that part)
      With spidey it was more because Spidey was sticking his nose in
      With Matt it was personal

    • @TelestoTheBesto
      @TelestoTheBesto 2 года назад +1

      @@ComicBookGuy420 Indeed. This is why it's hard to tell who he belongs to. Because he appears so commonly with Spider-Man, but has such a strong connection to Daredevil.

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад

      @@TelestoTheBesto exactly, not to mention the amount of grief he's given Frank over the years
      He started with spidey, but spidey already has the Green Goblin
      I figure him for Daredevils nemesis
      One thing is for sure, whenever the Kingpin shows up, whichever hero he sets his sights on, is in for a rough time
      And I love it😂

  • @scratchnoff7609
    @scratchnoff7609 2 года назад

    Still have 95 action figures

  • @citylight66
    @citylight66 2 года назад +1

    He reminds of the villain but not who is Lex Luthor

  • @XxDoctorGregxX
    @XxDoctorGregxX 2 месяца назад

    He also took on doom and won somehow

  • @Aldiggy2000
    @Aldiggy2000 2 года назад +1

    I never understood how kingpin even stands a chance against Spiderman who has super strength

    • @spider-jonah-man7148
      @spider-jonah-man7148 2 года назад +2

      Comic logic. Or if you want to use mental gymnastics you could say he’s a mutant, or that Spider-Man pulls his punches🤷‍♂️

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад +1

      Spidey, as much as he has the proportional strength of a spider, is still a relatively small guy
      Fisk is like 6'8 and 330 ibs
      That's a whole lotta muscle

    • @allenscott68
      @allenscott68 2 года назад

      Zulu swashbuckler.
      Fist also has cunning and brains as well as muscles.

    • @spider-jonah-man7148
      @spider-jonah-man7148 2 года назад

      @@ComicBookGuy420 Spider-Man can rip apart Ironmans armor, a strong “normal”guy shouldn’t be able to touch him. Even if he’s smaller.

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад

      @@spider-jonah-man7148
      And for a genius he keeps underestimating fisk
      Sure, call him donut boy
      It nearly got him killed multiple times, including the first time they met
      To be clear, I'm not saying fisk is stronger than spidey
      I'm saying underestimating someone who is that big, is just silly
      Even for the spider

  • @PeachMintz
    @PeachMintz 2 года назад +1

    Hold on I thought Eleanor Bishop and Fisk only worked together. Did I miss something?

    • @spider-jonah-man7148
      @spider-jonah-man7148 2 года назад +1

      Same idk

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад

      Yep
      Spoilers because I don't know what's going to be in the MCU
      She was a straight up villain in the comics, not a reluctant one either, but a hardcore villain, albeit with her own reasons
      She is a vampire in the comics
      She worked for Madame Masque, only to get close enough to kill her ex husband (Kates father) for abandoning her and Kate
      She worked with the Kingpin a bit, nothing was ever explicitly shown, but inferences were made

  • @gokushkameha-ha-ha9344
    @gokushkameha-ha-ha9344 2 года назад +1

    *shoulda used CGI to make him 8 feet tall and muscular*
    Other than that wack body, the actor really nailed the character

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад

      Kingpin was 6'8 give or take, and 330 Ibs, he always looked fat but had a massive amount of muscle
      Vincent was perfect for that role, read the comics

    • @damianprock1650
      @damianprock1650 Год назад

      @@ComicBookGuy420 I dunno, concerning the rest of the MCU, the Big Show should play the Kingpin since he's 7ft tall and weighs almost 500 lb of pure muscle

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 Год назад

      @@damianprock1650
      As much as I enjoy Shows acting
      Vincent brought a real depth to the character

  • @monabear7287
    @monabear7287 11 месяцев назад

    Wasn't he supposed to be like 6'8 and 450lbs?

  • @there4you19
    @there4you19 2 года назад +1

    Why did Vanessa Kill her son Richard again? I forget.

    • @remc0s
      @remc0s 2 года назад +1

      For betraying his father twice.
      Richard was secretly both the Schemer, the Rose, and for a while Blood Rose during The Name of the Rose storyline (Blood Rose was a Punisher-like version of the Rose)
      As both the Schemer and the Rose, Richard had sworn to destroy the Kingpin's criminal empire, and apparently Vanessa was enjoying her luxury lifestyle a bit too much to allow that to happen 🌹

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад

      @@remc0s the Rose wasn't a bad villain, but not one of the all time greats, kinda meh, like a watered down version of his father

    • @remc0s
      @remc0s 2 года назад +1

      @@ComicBookGuy420 I do like the character for its simplicity.
      No over-the-top costume or gimmicks; just a white business suit and a purple, leather S&M gimp mask was all he needed to pose as a fake crimelord.
      Like putting on a colored balaclava and crashing a super-villain meeting to let them know you want to join in just because and they are like "Ok."

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад +1

      @@remc0s lulz that damn mask
      Still it was better than the original Comedians😂

  • @Derekivery
    @Derekivery 21 день назад

    This all happened because of his W E I G H T

  • @bk-pk4wv
    @bk-pk4wv 10 месяцев назад

    Stole books from libraries? They literally give them to you free lmao 🤣

  • @BockworschtSoldier
    @BockworschtSoldier Год назад

    Never watched the Daredevil series but the actor of Kingpin fits very well. Man I guess I need to rewatch the 90 Spiderman cartoon again. I just remember the the cringy intro song.

  • @thepoormanspoet3312
    @thepoormanspoet3312 2 года назад +1

    Can anybody follow WTF this dude is saying?!?

    • @LaddRusso91
      @LaddRusso91 2 года назад +1

      Yes

    • @thepoormanspoet3312
      @thepoormanspoet3312 2 года назад

      @@LaddRusso91 "Doc Ock was determined to destroy the New York City, when an activator that Fisk had, resulting in a fight between the two, which ended with Fisk winning. Then, because Vanessa was prone to psychotic episodes as result of previous traumatic experiences, Fisk was committed to bringing his wife back to full health....."
      The fuck does that even mean, lmao?!? You can follow that gibberish?? Maybe all of you had the same stroke and understand the same garbled, effed up language.

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад +1

      @@thepoormanspoet3312
      And yet, you're here

    • @thepoormanspoet3312
      @thepoormanspoet3312 2 года назад

      @@ComicBookGuy420 I'm here because this channel has some badass content. My favorite horror movies, comics, comic book movies, millennial-era cartoons; they've got it all. AND they upload like Catholic rabbits fuck...but 75% of their narrators read scripts like a dyslexic stroke victim. Really my only complaint about the channel.

  • @DiogenesDworkinson
    @DiogenesDworkinson 2 года назад

    Lex Luther eats the Hulk...

  • @thepoormanspoet3312
    @thepoormanspoet3312 2 года назад

    WAIT.... You think that Kingpin and Kate Bishop's Mom were in like an ACTUAL RELATIONSHIP?!? Did you even watch the show??? 🤣😂🤣

    • @ComicBookGuy420
      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад +1

      You may want to have a look into it, the comics
      Just saying

    • @KardboardKenny
      @KardboardKenny 2 года назад

      found the normie

    • @thepoormanspoet3312
      @thepoormanspoet3312 2 года назад

      @@ComicBookGuy420 Yeah I know that's canon on the comics, everybody screws everybody in the comics lmao. Only he was talking about the show....that's why I asked if he'd watched it. D'Onofrio is a BEAST, hands down the best MCU villain, maybe a close 2nd to Loki.

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      @ComicBookGuy420 2 года назад

      @@thepoormanspoet3312 weren't screwing in the comics, it was just hinted that they were