Something that I noticed specifically about Iji as a war counselor, as much as I love him, is that he's always wrong about stuff and then he says "I should have seen it coming" which I think it really funny because he's wearing the big mirror hat/mask, so he probably can't see much of anything
From software does have a habit of covering the faces/eyes of giants. The blacksmith in dark souls 1 and the giants of Sens Fortress all have metal plates covering their faces. Not to mention Hawkeye Gough is blind and also has a face covering helmet. And now Iji has a helmet covered in mirrors
Tower of Babylon as a “cautionary tale about God but also a tale about city planning” had me screaming. Fantastic and super interesting video as always!
The point about the Greeks believing the Mycenaean architecture being built by giants/Cyclopes is interesting, because much of Uhl's architecture looks like it has been built by giants. The doorways are always unnecessarily large and the bricks often way too large to be shifted by normal beings.
One thing I haven’t been able to research enough that ties in with mesoamerican/Paiute history are the Fire Giants being inspired by the Si Te Cah, a race of supposed red hair giants, but I haven’t looked into it enough
i mean, that could just be drawn back from norse, thor is red hair and hammered like radagon and the norse are supposedly descended from giants so who knows, but theres a lot of cultural variety and overlap represented in elden ring so could be
I wondered if they were inspired by Pacific Island tales about Fire and Lava Giants with smoldering flames ever ablaze atop their heads. Those are allegedly part of what inspired the two giant figures in the Moana movie.
there's also Balor, the irish giant with a large eye that wreaks destruction when opened and is said to embody the scorching sun. He's said to be a fomorian, a supernatural race. he's killed by his grandson Lugh of the Tuatha Dé Danann in the battle of Mag Tuired, reminds me a lot of radagon and the war on the giants. also notable is lugh is associated with mercury
Another thing about the lions is that they used to be fairly common throughout Europe. So kind of adds to the themes that Godfrey's age is over since all the lions are gone
@@quelaag are they not native? I could have sword I heard somewhere that they were also native to Europe but Europeans hunted them to extinction. I very well coul be wrong though
@@quelaagthere were lions in the Balkan. There are laws dated to the late Roman Empire to protect them from being excessively hunted. According to Wikipedia there were lions in Germany until circa 60k years ago.
@@MadAtreides1 Hey German here ✋ I'm pretty sure that we had animals called "mountain lions" they didn't look exactly like your typical lion but we're very common in medival Times. And back during the Ice Age we had "cave lions"
I think you’re doing the right thing taking a break. This game has some deep ass layers and it can really wrack your brain around if you dig deep which you do better than most Imo. We’ll be here when you get back Quelly. All love ❤️
Glad you’re giving credit to the Hebrew influence with the fingers. I happened to be watching a lot of lecture videos about Kabbalah right before Elden Ring came out and it seems to me like the game borrows a lot from the teachings of Kaballah. Fingers, trees, cups/jars/vessels for God’s will, and even the shattering are all concepts in Kaballistic interpretations of the Hebrew Bible.
Elden Ring is all alchemical, which is a gnostic ritual. Gnosticism is a religion that wears the skin of other religions and changes its name, and kaballah is the Jewish version of Gnosticism. It is impressive how From appears to have plumbed the depths of gnostic history so thoroughly.
@@briggy4359 they even have the three Gnostic baptisms: water (right after church of anticipation), Fire (giant’s forge), and Holy Spirit (unsealing destined death). I think the Godskins are meant to be the actual gnostics in this game. Some say frenzy is, but I think that’s closer to the madness induced by solipsism.
I don't know if this is at all relevant to Elden Ring because I'm a big dummy when it comes to lore and like having it explained to me, but yesterday I was working on my conlang, got interested in Sumerian and ended up reading a bunch about Mesopotamian myths. One thing that stood out to me was the genealogy of Enki (his name means Lord of Earth but he is god of water). His dad was An (sky daddy) who used to be one with Ki (earth mommy) until Enlil (Lord of Breath) was born of them, splitting Earth and Sky in two with Wind in the middle. An and Ki's parents were the siblings Anshar and Kishar (sky and earth, but bigger), who begot them when they met at the horison, and THEY had another pair of sibling-parents called Lahmu and Lahamu, but what's important here is who Lahmu and Lahamu's parents were: Tiamat and Abzu. According to the creation myth, before the creation of heaven and earth there was just water. Two oceans: one above ground and the other underground. Tiamat is the chaotic dagon-like godess of the salted overground ocean, while Abzu is the god of freshwater aquifers and a purifying force. In the Enuma Elish, Abzu is killed by his descendants, so Tiamat swore revenge but is defeated herself, but not before creating the dragons and all other monsters. Idk these Sumerian inspired underground cultures kind of reminded me of that and maybe the Lake of Rot tells the story of a once pure underground aquifer that turned putrid and stagnant in the absence of its water god?
On the topic of Miquella being mercury, and the tree of life, I've actually been drawing similarities between the Shard Bearers and the Sefirot on the Tree of Life. So far, the only ones that really fit are Miquella and Malenia, but it's still really fun to speculate. Here are my notes so far: Miquella as Hod - Means Majesty, Splendor, or Glory - Associated Angel: St Michael (Feminine: Michaela) - Alchemical Symbol: Mercury and purification - Represents Submissive Diplomacy - Guardian of Dreams/Formation/Unconscious - Qliphoth is represented by St Michael's Abduction by Demons - Occult association with Hermes/Hermaphrodite and Wisdom (Monad, Mind of All) Malenia as Netzach - Means Eternal, Perpetuity, Victory - Associated Angel: Anael (Masculine: Oniel) - Alchemical Symbol: Sulfur and fermentation - Represents Endurance and Willpower - Guardian of the weak and righteous (St Michael in particular) - Qliphoth represented by demonic ravens spewed out of a volcano - Occult association with Venus and Fertility (Babylon, Mother of All) Maliketh as Malkuth - Means Kingdom/Foundation - Associated Angel: Sandalphon - Alchemical Symbol: Earth/ Prima Materia - Represents Earth, the beginning and the end, as well as the bridge between life and death - Guardian of Dwellings, Life, and Death - Qliphoth is represented by the bridge to the Cosmic Tree of Death - Occult association with Earth, Death, and the Cosmic Tree of Death Keep in mind these are similarities and they do not make up a definitive list of all the relevant traits of the Sefirot For those who aren't familiar, the Qliphoth represent the inverted or hollow forms of the Sefirot, and are sometimes called the Husks. They usually represent the same aspect as their matching sefirot, except they are lacking in balance and are taken to their most corrupt extreme.
This game has made me realize how dumb I am. I have so much to read and learn about. From the history to the mythology, religion, alchemy, natural cycle of plants and nature different eras of not just man but the planet and lord only knows what else at this point. This game is truly in a league of it's own! If you haven't already, go check out "The tarnished Archeologist", he's new and only has a handful of videos but every one of them blew my mind. Great job btw you are really out here doing some profound work for this game!
Interesting note on the Nox and their Gothic style. I believe Gothic architecture is named after the Goths, not necessarily built by them. The term was used in the 17th century to insult this new style of architecture, comparing it to the "barbaric Goths who sacked Rome". This might mean that the Nox were buried a lot more recently than we may think and may give us an idea of how people felt about them before they were buried too!
So the Goths were given the Western Roman territory and it was during their time that those structures were built. Its not to say while they were a normadic tribe they were building crazy cathedrals in the underground, but rather a visual hint that hey - these people - may be involved in taking over Leyendell (Which they are! Given that "Queen Marika" is known as Queen Marika the Eternal, aka, from the Eternal Cities!)
@@quelaag Gothic Architecture postdates the Goth culture/civilization by about 500 years; gothic architecture is 12th century at its earliest (and extends into the 17th) and the last of the Goth kingdoms fell to the Umayyad Caliphate in the 8th century. By that point there was already France proper and the remains of Gothic culture existed almost entirely in Crimea. Gothic culture survived in the west longest in Iberia, but gave way to romance languages and postlatin culture by that point, a process that had started as early as the 6th century with the renunciation of Arian Christianity by the Gothic kingdoms in favor of Catholicism. Gothic architecture, in other words, has absolutely nothing to do with the Goths; the name comes from Renaissance architects of the proto-neoclassical movement who sought to emulate Roman architecture, and this referred to this post-Roman architecture as "Gothic". Hope this helps.
Separate comment just to say wow, the level of detail and scrutiny that the FromSoft team must've gone through to accomplish this crazy lore combobulation is incredible! They managed to represent so much, and to tie their worldbuilding in to the architecture in a manner that lets us compare it to our own IRL, and develop a timeline through these allegories! I love it. The interaction and theorizing has been awesome, thank you for being such an awesome contributor/lore theory person ^_^ Enjoy your break from all of the deep analysis, I had to walk away from Elden Ring for like 2 months before I was ready to dive in to the lore again.
Im just here to say I was here on September 19th, 2022 to say that this video is proof that our universes Elden Ring is on the list of best video games of all time.
The branch sword for sure appears in Japan, but it actually originated in Korea. This still doesn’t explain why they used a Scandinavian motif on the talisman in ER. However, it does shed some light on Sekiro’s ending where Kuro wishes to return the dragon’s heritage to the West. The divine dragon arrived from the west and wields a branched sword, so it’s likely that he wants to return it to Korea. I may be remembering wrong, but I believe the type of dragon used for its model is also stylistically a Korean dragon.
Much respect. The amount of research that went into this is awesome. I’m fairly obsessed with geological timeline so I was excited af to see you all the way back in the Ordovician. Some areas and enemies like the great dragonflies always make me think of the Carboniferous. Anyway, sweet video. I loved it.
Buttresses! Yes, thank you! Ever since Anor Londo and its Notre Dame buttresses, can't stop pointing them out, like a dog with squirrels. And yes, Bronze Age Collapse and the scriptless Greek Dark Ages... couple thousand years later, Greek Fire (have a deep dive on that in the works) -Sigh- Yea, it is a lot, it's the whole human corpus, but all of it sooo good. Stay calm (or not) and carry on! Please, it's great! P.S. We called Elden John Mr. Whiskers :)
i just want to say I really love your insight and style in these lore videos. If you can find a way to do it without breaking your brain, please keep doing them! Elden Ring is a literary and artistic goldmine.
Just a tidbit - a pattern similar to that found on the Fingerprint Shield is on the blade of the Omen Cleaver along with text describing it as a "deteriorative malediction".
It's so cool seeing the Tower of Babel brought up here when it ended up being rather prescient in relation to Belurat and Enir-Ilim from Shadow of the Erdtree! We know where the Hornsent civilization falls on the timeline now, for sure!
You've probably already gone on a break and more power to you, but I did want to mention something that there is a connection to Mayan and Mesoamerican mythology, though perhaps not a robust one. The Hero Twins' origins could be seen as having influences in the stories of Morgott and Mohg and their Omen curse.
This is the first video of yours I've seen and holy wow, I'm hooked. You obviously did crazy amounts of research for this. I loved the origin of the two fingers and three fingers! Well done! Enjoy your break!
HOLY SHIT, IT'S MOAR LOAR!!!! Absolutely loving your videos recently, hope you're doing well! Edit: also, I love how we keep adding more aliens. It represents the madness in all of us. Edit edit: I know your tone is totally in jest, but there is a lot of reason to doubt that humans lacked language during the height of the stone age. I've mentioned The Dawn of Everything before, which covers the recent research on the topic. But Elden Ring is probably operating with more typical assumptions, which is why it goes for the beast thing, like you said. But it is interesting to note that this trope doesn't seem to be supported archaeologically. (this also goes for things like politics, rights, and broader social practices; it seems humans have been pretty much doing that stuff since we first evolved) Edit Edit Edit: Great analysis. Your take away at the end is fucking perfect. S tier. Fuck yes. Also, wonderful that you're considering a break to avoid burnout. Put you first!
So.. as a Brazilian and a huge souls fan with a real strong desire to see more of that part of the world in sci-fi and fantasy... what folklore is being referenced and what is the reference itself?! Stoked about it.
@@quelaag Thank you so much! Hopefully that change to Namor in the Black Panther sequel makes it trendy AND affordable to have more Mesoamerican stuff!
Curious to know your thoughts on the resemblance of the giant statues of old bearded men holding tablets to their chests found at the Uhl + Uld Ruins, and the trolls with a tablet inside their chest.
depictions of omaru (incan) resemble the serpent god's curved sword and lives in a mountain. K’uk’ulkan is a mayan serpent god that was born a boy in some stories, and a pet to the sun god. the statues even look like the second stage of the serpent boss fight, with a face coming out of the mouth. paraphrasing a LOT. been trying to find out wtf with the serpent god and why the bow was where it was
I have not watched this just yet, but I just want to thank you for your sacrifice. I can’t even begin to think about how many things are in this video. I just got into elden ring lore and vaati suggested you and I can’t wait to devolve into madness (Edit: also its Or-doh-vish-ean)
21:24 Two things, originally I saw this symbol and realized that it resembles a fork when turned upside down. This may have inspired Mohg's trident weapon design. Additionally, I have a wild speculation. The staff thing that looks like it has a primordial fire coming out of the top, held by two bears (?)...it looks familiar. It's not even close to a 1-to-1 representation, but doesn't it look kinda like Mohg's Sacred Spear? The staff even has a slightly smaller handle-area towards the bottom of the shaft, and there's at least one thickened band that is placed in a similar location to one of the bands on the spear. And...there's fire coming out of the top of it, and these weird laurels all around the staff in an AoE... Maybe that "bird" at the bottom of the staff isn't an object, but is signifying an /action/ , like slamming the spear down onto the ground? What if Mohg's Nihil ritual (which uses blood*flame* power) is a mix of old and new, with the ritual being based on an even-older Uld ritual of some sort, albeit adapted to the Formless Mother's power? Is there, dare I say, any connection between the Formless Mother and the Uld, and therefore possibly a reason that Mohgwyn was led by Her to go squat on ancient burial grounds? Probably not, but I could at least see Mohg going through ancient Uld tablets and learning about their incantations, resulting in his spin on it/the Bloodflame incantations.
25:08 “They never met, kinda confusing” more to my theory that it’s duality, taking a similar idea from west and east and saying they are interpretations of the same underlying concept
Watching your amazing video, and I had to stop @ 2:59 and just stare and think about what im seeing. The civilization that we know, and only know, it is a baby compared to the ones that came before it. It is just truly mind-boggling. My question is, Are we as a human species in this/our current civilization, are we going to make it? or are we just going to end ourselves? (honest question considering the things that are brewing today between Russia/Ukraine/NATO, etc)How can we stand up to the giants that came before us? And has technology been our downfall?
Lot of evidence to suggest the planet is heading toward a catastrophic solar event... that's likely going to take care of civilization & technology all at once. Sucks but that's the way it's looking. Edit- that same evidence points to similar past events playing roles in the downfall of past civilizations as well.
Nothing to do but wonder about it until it happens, so does it truly mater or deserve your immediate attention? That's the only answer my brain can come up with
Life, and systems of power, engage in change and are temporary. Our sun and planet are temporary. We are temporary. But don’t give into despair about it (frenzied flameee) Mortality and things ending and beginning anew is divine as it’s a part of nature! It’s just hard to feel it or see it because a lot of societies idealize the idea of immorality There is a great Buddhist monk named Thic Nhat Han who actually had a RUclips channel called plum village. He had a great talk about what is the hardest thing to do for a monk. He said it’s despair. He survived the Vietnam war trying to rebuild villages that kept getting destroyed. He said to not despair was important in achieving that
I would like to add a possible connection with babylonians The giant walls of leyndell might be inspired from From the walls of uruk which was built by Gilgamesh a mythical demigod to protect the city. Also godfrey might be inspired by Gilgamesh both are demigods both are warrior Kings both have lion's as symbols and shown with a lion's in arts and statues finally both are on a quest to get their powers back Gilgamesh to gain immortality and be q full god and godfrey to become an elden lord which mean godhood.
@@gilgamesh1148 i think he was lured to civilization and lost his bestial part and couldnt talk with animals or something, also something to do with inana or was it ishtar?
@@colorpg152 yes the God's created him to stop gilgamesh tyrant rule over his poeple they fought almost destroy half of the city after the fight they became best friends
Worth noting the ancient Minoan civilisation had both advanced bureaucracy _and_ cannibalistic tendencies not at all matching the Ancestral Followers. The myth of the Minotaur is meant to demonise them but that depiction doesn't match Elden Ring either as the Minotaur very obviously is _not_ spiritual at all but rather an unintelligent carnivorous monster. I wonder how much of this is actually meant to evoke a chronological order rather than simple disparity. We know of certain civilisations existing at the same time in Elden Ring but that includes Godfrey's Leyndell, the Bronze Age-inspired Fire Giants and the "Ancient" Dragons under Gransax. The Fire Giants are said to be the first to have invented smithing, fought (and won) against the _modern_ ice wyverns, lived alongside the Astrologers who would move to Raya Lucaria and yet we are supposed to believe that after their initial invention they never progressed beyond Bronze Age technology right until Marika and Godfrey wiped them out? And the dragons had an Elden Lord entombed below Farum Azula despite Godfrey supposedly being the first, plus a root-covered Elden Ring design, and Farum Azula itself mixes really ancient RL burial practices with quite elaborate architecture with columns, balustrades and domes as well as candelabras on par with a menorah. We also know some architectural elements have to be deliberately "retro" if you compare Elphael to Leyndell and Farum Azula so I doubt we can draw a proper timeline from similarities to RL historical architecture. And why isn't there any ancient Egypt in Limgrave or Caelid?
But they are cannibalistic! Check out the Winged Greathorn Staff. They use the life force of others or those who "don't grow horns" to feed to the soul of the ancestral spirit! "In the ancestral spirit-worshipping faith, these are considered envoys' wings, made to reap the lives of beings which experience no sprouting." Check out the move on the ancestral follower as well! It has the ability to absorb the small animal spirits in the arena to regen health! :D
It's not really supposed to sit literally on the isle of crete, but rather the timeline follows an amalgamation of cultures and their histories as it develops into the early sciences. Its a folktale, similar to how game of thrones is about Great Britains "War of Roses".
its kinda interesting cause george r.r. martin did an interview with stephen colbert and he said "what [fromsoftware] wanted me to write was what happened 5000 years before that that totally screwed up the world" and all of the historical places talked about in this video go back about 5000 years from modern day. so maybe modern day elden ring, if were saying miyazaki is pretty much copying human history almost to a t, is 10000 years in the future from those tablets and obelisks and what not. i dunno im high
you know how people talk about having those "oh wow" moments when they come upon a new area that seems too big to have been completely hidden as well as it was? I just had that experience with the lore, so thanks
We are predisposed to seek out patterns to make sense of our reality. It can become a trap that fascinates us, to be fascinated by a symbol, and trapped by it. Not a bad thing, I can go in circles seeing symbols and inspiration in aspects of Elden Ring, Jungian patterns very easily, the heroes myth, etc.
I saw your comment cause i was also looking for the program and it took few hours lol but if u still havent found it it should be “Miro” or “miro whiteboard”
I think that if you look at the banner at the East capital Rampart, that is the earliest tree adoration and the banner with the skinny tree was the original and now if you see the symbol in the Elden Throne you see that the Erdtree and the rings were put in in the skinny tree (East Capital Rampart tree) Is like they say that the confusion is whether there is a great tree and erdtree and where is it, well they are intertwined and that is the symbol in the Elden throne. because you can see the skinny tree that is in the banner in the symbol. IMO.
So the Moses lookin' guy and his tablets... do the tablets have anything to do with the tablets in the chests of the giants? They look familiar but I've never been able to get a closer look. I did notice that often the tablet Moses-man is holding looks like it has roots/vines growing out of it, which of course the giants have as well.
Love this video! Thanks for doing this. One question: are you saying "Uld Palace" when you mean "Uhl Palace"? (These are different places, both in Elden Ring.) Uhl is the one that is underground.
So they are the same culture but I think the names change whether they’re topside or bottomside. It’s a alchemical thing “as above so below” I’ll make a video on it
It occurred to me a while back that in the Lands Between, immortal souls seem bound in an eternal cycle of being born into the world, living, dying, and returning to a pool of souls to start over (currently that's returning to the Erdtree, but the cycle seems older than that). Meanwhile, the Outer Gods seem to be in constant dispute over who gets to design the mortal shells those souls inhabit during their time walking the realm. The Greater Will seems to like meat people (even its envoys are big meat fingers), as does whatever God made the Twinbird and the Deathbirds. But then you have whatever send down a meteor that created the Onyx lords (and their kin), and whatever made the Crystalians, which seems to be going for mineral people. Then there's whatever made the dragons, and the giants, and the trolls, and so on and so forth. If you ask me, that really doesn't sound _that_ dissimilar to the Aztec creation myth. It's possible there's some connection there.
To send you down another rabbit hole of potential real life inspiration, look up Australian aboriginal art and myths. Their oral histories are literally the oldest on the planet, going back to the very begining of their time in Australia 50,000-70,000 years ago, even mentioning Megalania, which went extinct several tens of thousands of years back and was the biggest reptile species to ever walk the earth.
Once you showed the obelisk in the previous vid it shattered my thoughts on what the lands between were and now I'm so much more lost. I need to know what is with the accents its the only part I dont get
You're able to freely summon spirits that manifest into the corporeal realm.. the lands between are simply the lands "between". A place where all time converges.
@@zakaryrichmond396 Yes this is what I meant. What if I told you that it's always been the case in all of their games and the "lands between" is just another name?
@@botmushin8878 but what if it isn't on the Obelisk we can see depicted the people here before marika and all of them arriving on ships and creating the uld Dynasty which collapsed for unknown reasons we see the apothecaries trying to create life after being shunned "Underground" to their Gothic cities by a Christianity fill in. In her videos she has tried to claim that this is "the lands between" the two rivers in northeastern Africa and what I want to know is why the fuck is everyone speaking in uk based accents I'm trying to partake in this Theory without just giving up and saying that all time is converged into one place so we should give up on any Sensibility
@@botmushin8878 sure all time being converged in one place is a fun concept but she is making me think that there's something more here and I can't ignore that to say that they just layered all of society on top of each other
This video be old, so who knows if you'll see this. But the "giants" in myth always being actually huge is pretty much just a Greek thing. This isn't a failure or misunderstanding on your part, this is a misunderstanding on basically everyone's part, especially due to the incomplete translation of the word Jotun. While the Jotun of Norse myth were sometimes quite large, their name does not mean GIANT, it means DEVOURERERS, the Jotun were beings that consumed things. Some people attribute this quality to the metaphysical concept of chaos, but I disagree. To me, this embodies more the concept of entropy. The Jotun are beings which embody the necessary end of all things, not inherently death although that does play into entropy, but more the idea of things running their natural coarse and eventually completing, being done, and making space for the new. I find the most ancient of powers within Greek myth embody these same ideas, the first beings born of Gaia, Chaos, and Nyx who are cosmically huge yet simple, while some also being of actual tremendous size. And in Irish myth we see this too in the Fomorians, primal powers of the below, and again some of "people" size and some monstrously huge. But even with the misunderstanding of their size and purpose, creatives like Miyazaki and his team do understand the thematic consistency that the giants will embody or signal the end of an age, and much like Odin who desperately strived to keep his age and his power from ending, so too do all these powers like Gwyn like Marika also seek to stop the giants from ending their age and power as well.
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The Numen, who built the Nox cities, are not from the Lands Between so their architecture should be an anomaly. The only real timeline requirement is that they must have been in the Lands Between before the establishment of the Erd Tree since Marika is one of them.
Yep, just like the Goths, who are not from Mesopotamia or Meterteranian societies. Theyre nomadic people from germany! So theyre effectively "alien" which is reflected in gothic architecture.
Gothic architecture isn't actually the architecture of the Goths per se, it's actually French originally, probably influenced by Arab/Persian architecture with it's more delicate and open styles admitting more light. It just got lumped with the moniker "Gothic" during the Renaissance as a byword for "barbaric" by advocates of the Neo-Classical style
Alchemy was very much science but without any preceding context. There are no points of reference except personal experience and previous luck. Imagine mixing two substances that are both harmful and hoping your educated guess works out to make gold. (Spoilers, it made chlorine gas)
So many threads to grab onto when it comes to lore in elden ring but not very many of them feel terribly fleshed out, kinda like in dark souls 3 with the angel thing. I hope the DLC's bring some extra meat to things like the eternal cities and the nature of rot and the rot god/goddess.
Its largely due to me, and not the game's writing. Much of this is half baked ideas and a half finished timeline because there's too much. I fully believe it's all there. I've been able to glean so much from the setting and motivation of the characters through this and through alchemy reading.
a lot of the small art that scattered around the world are bought assets that just happen to fit the game i wish it was a s deep as other souls games it would just take entirely too long
Something that I noticed specifically about Iji as a war counselor, as much as I love him, is that he's always wrong about stuff and then he says "I should have seen it coming" which I think it really funny because he's wearing the big mirror hat/mask, so he probably can't see much of anything
Blaidd: Looks like it's gonna rain
Iji: Oh goodness, I should have seen this coming. Why am I such a uselss fu--
Blaidd: Iji please, it's just rain
@@acksOldPeople I feel like someone could make a series of comic strips based on this dynamic and it would be so wholesome and fun to read.
From software does have a habit of covering the faces/eyes of giants. The blacksmith in dark souls 1 and the giants of Sens Fortress all have metal plates covering their faces. Not to mention Hawkeye Gough is blind and also has a face covering helmet. And now Iji has a helmet covered in mirrors
@@drteeth362 maybe so they dont have to animate the faces. After all stiff heads are more noticeable if they are giant.
@@SIGNOR-G I mean, before Elden Ring, FromSoft never animated faces and if they did it was rare.
Tower of Babylon as a “cautionary tale about God but also a tale about city planning” had me screaming.
Fantastic and super interesting video as always!
The point about the Greeks believing the Mycenaean architecture being built by giants/Cyclopes is interesting, because much of Uhl's architecture looks like it has been built by giants. The doorways are always unnecessarily large and the bricks often way too large to be shifted by normal beings.
One thing I haven’t been able to research enough that ties in with mesoamerican/Paiute history are the Fire Giants being inspired by the Si Te Cah, a race of supposed red hair giants, but I haven’t looked into it enough
It’s sooo many overlapping cultures it wouldn’t surprise me
i mean, that could just be drawn back from norse, thor is red hair and hammered like radagon and the norse are supposedly descended from giants so who knows, but theres a lot of cultural variety and overlap represented in elden ring so could be
red hair giant? irish? scottish?
I wondered if they were inspired by Pacific Island tales about Fire and Lava Giants with smoldering flames ever ablaze atop their heads. Those are allegedly part of what inspired the two giant figures in the Moana movie.
there's also Balor, the irish giant with a large eye that wreaks destruction when opened and is said to embody the scorching sun. He's said to be a fomorian, a supernatural race. he's killed by his grandson Lugh of the Tuatha Dé Danann in the battle of Mag Tuired, reminds me a lot of radagon and the war on the giants. also notable is lugh is associated with mercury
It seems like everyone eventually reaches the point with Elden Ring where they realize the lore is just too big.
Another thing about the lions is that they used to be fairly common throughout Europe. So kind of adds to the themes that Godfrey's age is over since all the lions are gone
That imagery came from their relationship with Mesopotamia and Africa! especially since lions are not native to parts of Europe :)
@@quelaag are they not native? I could have sword I heard somewhere that they were also native to Europe but Europeans hunted them to extinction. I very well coul be wrong though
There were definitely lions in Europe; in historical times even! But of course, their populations went extinct as civilization advanced
@@quelaagthere were lions in the Balkan. There are laws dated to the late Roman Empire to protect them from being excessively hunted. According to Wikipedia there were lions in Germany until circa 60k years ago.
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Hey German here ✋
I'm pretty sure that we had animals called "mountain lions" they didn't look exactly like your typical lion but we're very common in medival Times.
And back during the Ice Age we had "cave lions"
I think you’re doing the right thing taking a break.
This game has some deep ass layers and it can really wrack your brain around if you dig deep which you do better than most Imo. We’ll be here when you get back Quelly. All love ❤️
Glad you’re giving credit to the Hebrew influence with the fingers. I happened to be watching a lot of lecture videos about Kabbalah right before Elden Ring came out and it seems to me like the game borrows a lot from the teachings of Kaballah. Fingers, trees, cups/jars/vessels for God’s will, and even the shattering are all concepts in Kaballistic interpretations of the Hebrew Bible.
Whoops like you covered some of that too.
Shabriri
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Elden Ring is all alchemical, which is a gnostic ritual. Gnosticism is a religion that wears the skin of other religions and changes its name, and kaballah is the Jewish version of Gnosticism.
It is impressive how From appears to have plumbed the depths of gnostic history so thoroughly.
@@briggy4359 they even have the three Gnostic baptisms: water (right after church of anticipation), Fire (giant’s forge), and Holy Spirit (unsealing destined death). I think the Godskins are meant to be the actual gnostics in this game. Some say frenzy is, but I think that’s closer to the madness induced by solipsism.
I don't know if this is at all relevant to Elden Ring because I'm a big dummy when it comes to lore and like having it explained to me, but yesterday I was working on my conlang, got interested in Sumerian and ended up reading a bunch about Mesopotamian myths.
One thing that stood out to me was the genealogy of Enki (his name means Lord of Earth but he is god of water). His dad was An (sky daddy) who used to be one with Ki (earth mommy) until Enlil (Lord of Breath) was born of them, splitting Earth and Sky in two with Wind in the middle.
An and Ki's parents were the siblings Anshar and Kishar (sky and earth, but bigger), who begot them when they met at the horison, and THEY had another pair of sibling-parents called Lahmu and Lahamu, but what's important here is who Lahmu and Lahamu's parents were: Tiamat and Abzu.
According to the creation myth, before the creation of heaven and earth there was just water. Two oceans: one above ground and the other underground.
Tiamat is the chaotic dagon-like godess of the salted overground ocean, while Abzu is the god of freshwater aquifers and a purifying force.
In the Enuma Elish, Abzu is killed by his descendants, so Tiamat swore revenge but is defeated herself, but not before creating the dragons and all other monsters.
Idk these Sumerian inspired underground cultures kind of reminded me of that and maybe the Lake of Rot tells the story of a once pure underground aquifer that turned putrid and stagnant in the absence of its water god?
On the topic of Miquella being mercury, and the tree of life, I've actually been drawing similarities between the Shard Bearers and the Sefirot on the Tree of Life. So far, the only ones that really fit are Miquella and Malenia, but it's still really fun to speculate.
Here are my notes so far:
Miquella as Hod
- Means Majesty, Splendor, or Glory
- Associated Angel: St Michael (Feminine: Michaela)
- Alchemical Symbol: Mercury and purification
- Represents Submissive Diplomacy
- Guardian of Dreams/Formation/Unconscious
- Qliphoth is represented by St Michael's Abduction by Demons
- Occult association with Hermes/Hermaphrodite and Wisdom (Monad, Mind of All)
Malenia as Netzach
- Means Eternal, Perpetuity, Victory
- Associated Angel: Anael (Masculine: Oniel)
- Alchemical Symbol: Sulfur and fermentation
- Represents Endurance and Willpower
- Guardian of the weak and righteous (St Michael in particular)
- Qliphoth represented by demonic ravens spewed out of a volcano
- Occult association with Venus and Fertility (Babylon, Mother of All)
Maliketh as Malkuth
- Means Kingdom/Foundation
- Associated Angel: Sandalphon
- Alchemical Symbol: Earth/ Prima Materia
- Represents Earth, the beginning and the end, as well as the bridge between life and death
- Guardian of Dwellings, Life, and Death
- Qliphoth is represented by the bridge to the Cosmic Tree of Death
- Occult association with Earth, Death, and the Cosmic Tree of Death
Keep in mind these are similarities and they do not make up a definitive list of all the relevant traits of the Sefirot
For those who aren't familiar, the Qliphoth represent the inverted or hollow forms of the Sefirot, and are sometimes called the Husks. They usually represent the same aspect as their matching sefirot, except they are lacking in balance and are taken to their most corrupt extreme.
Ohhh I love this1!!!
This game has made me realize how dumb I am. I have so much to read and learn about. From the history to the mythology, religion, alchemy, natural cycle of plants and nature different eras of not just man but the planet and lord only knows what else at this point. This game is truly in a league of it's own!
If you haven't already, go check out "The tarnished Archeologist", he's new and only has a handful of videos but every one of them blew my mind.
Great job btw you are really out here doing some profound work for this game!
Interesting note on the Nox and their Gothic style.
I believe Gothic architecture is named after the Goths, not necessarily built by them. The term was used in the 17th century to insult this new style of architecture, comparing it to the "barbaric Goths who sacked Rome".
This might mean that the Nox were buried a lot more recently than we may think and may give us an idea of how people felt about them before they were buried too!
So the Goths were given the Western Roman territory and it was during their time that those structures were built. Its not to say while they were a normadic tribe they were building crazy cathedrals in the underground, but rather a visual hint that hey - these people - may be involved in taking over Leyendell (Which they are! Given that "Queen Marika" is known as Queen Marika the Eternal, aka, from the Eternal Cities!)
@@quelaag Gothic Architecture postdates the Goth culture/civilization by about 500 years; gothic architecture is 12th century at its earliest (and extends into the 17th) and the last of the Goth kingdoms fell to the Umayyad Caliphate in the 8th century. By that point there was already France proper and the remains of Gothic culture existed almost entirely in Crimea. Gothic culture survived in the west longest in Iberia, but gave way to romance languages and postlatin culture by that point, a process that had started as early as the 6th century with the renunciation of Arian Christianity by the Gothic kingdoms in favor of Catholicism.
Gothic architecture, in other words, has absolutely nothing to do with the Goths; the name comes from Renaissance architects of the proto-neoclassical movement who sought to emulate Roman architecture, and this referred to this post-Roman architecture as "Gothic". Hope this helps.
Separate comment just to say wow, the level of detail and scrutiny that the FromSoft team must've gone through to accomplish this crazy lore combobulation is incredible! They managed to represent so much, and to tie their worldbuilding in to the architecture in a manner that lets us compare it to our own IRL, and develop a timeline through these allegories! I love it.
The interaction and theorizing has been awesome, thank you for being such an awesome contributor/lore theory person ^_^ Enjoy your break from all of the deep analysis, I had to walk away from Elden Ring for like 2 months before I was ready to dive in to the lore again.
FromSoft: so here's lore references of the world starting from prehistoric to modern times. welcome to hard mode.
Im just here to say I was here on September 19th, 2022 to say that this video is proof that our universes Elden Ring is on the list of best video games of all time.
The branch sword for sure appears in Japan, but it actually originated in Korea. This still doesn’t explain why they used a Scandinavian motif on the talisman in ER. However, it does shed some light on Sekiro’s ending where Kuro wishes to return the dragon’s heritage to the West. The divine dragon arrived from the west and wields a branched sword, so it’s likely that he wants to return it to Korea. I may be remembering wrong, but I believe the type of dragon used for its model is also stylistically a Korean dragon.
Much respect. The amount of research that went into this is awesome. I’m fairly obsessed with geological timeline so I was excited af to see you all the way back in the Ordovician. Some areas and enemies like the great dragonflies always make me think of the Carboniferous. Anyway, sweet video. I loved it.
Buttresses! Yes, thank you! Ever since Anor Londo and its Notre Dame buttresses, can't stop pointing them out, like a dog with squirrels.
And yes, Bronze Age Collapse and the scriptless Greek Dark Ages... couple thousand years later, Greek Fire (have a deep dive on that in the works) -Sigh- Yea, it is a lot, it's the whole human corpus, but all of it sooo good. Stay calm (or not) and carry on! Please, it's great!
P.S. We called Elden John Mr. Whiskers :)
i just want to say I really love your insight and style in these lore videos. If you can find a way to do it without breaking your brain, please keep doing them! Elden Ring is a literary and artistic goldmine.
I was today years old when I learned you existed. You are an absolute dreamboat, you crazy history lady. Subscribed.
Loving these videos coming from one of my favorite OG Souls content creators! I wish ENB and Spy would return to RUclips. Keep up the great work!
Just a tidbit - a pattern similar to that found on the Fingerprint Shield is on the blade of the Omen Cleaver along with text describing it as a "deteriorative malediction".
It's so cool seeing the Tower of Babel brought up here when it ended up being rather prescient in relation to Belurat and Enir-Ilim from Shadow of the Erdtree! We know where the Hornsent civilization falls on the timeline now, for sure!
Another high lvl content brought to you by lore champion. Keep em coming Quelaag!
“broke me” is definitely how i’d describe those notes
Esoteric philosophical debates with Xing is the absolute best thing to listen to while relaxing before bed. ASMR.
You've probably already gone on a break and more power to you, but I did want to mention something that there is a connection to Mayan and Mesoamerican mythology, though perhaps not a robust one. The Hero Twins' origins could be seen as having influences in the stories of Morgott and Mohg and their Omen curse.
Yoooo, new alien just dropped
This is the first video of yours I've seen and holy wow, I'm hooked. You obviously did crazy amounts of research for this. I loved the origin of the two fingers and three fingers! Well done! Enjoy your break!
HOLY SHIT, IT'S MOAR LOAR!!!! Absolutely loving your videos recently, hope you're doing well! Edit: also, I love how we keep adding more aliens. It represents the madness in all of us.
Edit edit: I know your tone is totally in jest, but there is a lot of reason to doubt that humans lacked language during the height of the stone age. I've mentioned The Dawn of Everything before, which covers the recent research on the topic. But Elden Ring is probably operating with more typical assumptions, which is why it goes for the beast thing, like you said. But it is interesting to note that this trope doesn't seem to be supported archaeologically. (this also goes for things like politics, rights, and broader social practices; it seems humans have been pretty much doing that stuff since we first evolved)
Edit Edit Edit: Great analysis. Your take away at the end is fucking perfect. S tier. Fuck yes. Also, wonderful that you're considering a break to avoid burnout. Put you first!
So.. as a Brazilian and a huge souls fan with a real strong desire to see more of that part of the world in sci-fi and fantasy... what folklore is being referenced and what is the reference itself?! Stoked about it.
The guaraná!!! My whole family is from Mexico, but then my dads family is polish / Swedish. I want to see more mesoamerican myths and stories >:0
@@quelaag Thank you so much! Hopefully that change to Namor in the Black Panther sequel makes it trendy AND affordable to have more Mesoamerican stuff!
@@quelaag Also Guarana is an amazing soda if you ever stumble upon it ahah
Thanks for the delve into the deep end, getting some air is a good idea.
Curious to know your thoughts on the resemblance of the giant statues of old bearded men holding tablets to their chests found at the Uhl + Uld Ruins, and the trolls with a tablet inside their chest.
There's two aliens now
this is getting out of hand
Oh my god. I can see your eyes growing on the inside.
dancing aliens, Dragon Quest music, a completely unhinged archaeology timeline mindmap, and a fun low key narration packed with cool insights??? 🎉
thank you for showing me the world of miro theory-crafting and throwing-shit-at-the-wall-and-hope-that-it-sticks art.
depictions of omaru (incan) resemble the serpent god's curved sword and lives in a mountain.
K’uk’ulkan is a mayan serpent god that was born a boy in some stories, and a pet to the sun god.
the statues even look like the second stage of the serpent boss fight, with a face coming out of the mouth.
paraphrasing a LOT.
been trying to find out wtf with the serpent god and why the bow was where it was
You deserve rest. Don't burn out on us. We love you. Please take a break. 🥲
Having Greater Will dancing in the corner was a nice touch to this video.
I have not watched this just yet, but I just want to thank you for your sacrifice. I can’t even begin to think about how many things are in this video. I just got into elden ring lore and vaati suggested you and I can’t wait to devolve into madness
(Edit: also its Or-doh-vish-ean)
I'm addicted to Elden Ring and to your content.
Keep up your amazing work!
✌🏻😊
35:24 the flower of life also directly applies geometrically to the pentatonic scale.
21:24 Two things, originally I saw this symbol and realized that it resembles a fork when turned upside down. This may have inspired Mohg's trident weapon design.
Additionally, I have a wild speculation. The staff thing that looks like it has a primordial fire coming out of the top, held by two bears (?)...it looks familiar. It's not even close to a 1-to-1 representation, but doesn't it look kinda like Mohg's Sacred Spear? The staff even has a slightly smaller handle-area towards the bottom of the shaft, and there's at least one thickened band that is placed in a similar location to one of the bands on the spear. And...there's fire coming out of the top of it, and these weird laurels all around the staff in an AoE...
Maybe that "bird" at the bottom of the staff isn't an object, but is signifying an /action/ , like slamming the spear down onto the ground? What if Mohg's Nihil ritual (which uses blood*flame* power) is a mix of old and new, with the ritual being based on an even-older Uld ritual of some sort, albeit adapted to the Formless Mother's power? Is there, dare I say, any connection between the Formless Mother and the Uld, and therefore possibly a reason that Mohgwyn was led by Her to go squat on ancient burial grounds? Probably not, but I could at least see Mohg going through ancient Uld tablets and learning about their incantations, resulting in his spin on it/the Bloodflame incantations.
I'm back here and I- I love the increasing amount of aliens.
I could listen to you talk about eldin ring lore all day, and probably will
25:08 “They never met, kinda confusing” more to my theory that it’s duality, taking a similar idea from west and east and saying they are interpretations of the same underlying concept
This is amazing. Thank you for working so hard on this
Watching your amazing video, and I had to stop @ 2:59 and just stare and think about what im seeing. The civilization that we know, and only know, it is a baby compared to the ones that came before it. It is just truly mind-boggling. My question is, Are we as a human species in this/our current civilization, are we going to make it? or are we just going to end ourselves? (honest question considering the things that are brewing today between Russia/Ukraine/NATO, etc)How can we stand up to the giants that came before us? And has technology been our downfall?
Lot of evidence to suggest the planet is heading toward a catastrophic solar event... that's likely going to take care of civilization & technology all at once. Sucks but that's the way it's looking.
Edit- that same evidence points to similar past events playing roles in the downfall of past civilizations as well.
@@ioncewasmikey I guess we will be getting the Frezied Flame ending i see.
Nothing to do but wonder about it until it happens, so does it truly mater or deserve your immediate attention? That's the only answer my brain can come up with
Life, and systems of power, engage in change and are temporary. Our sun and planet are temporary. We are temporary. But don’t give into despair about it (frenzied flameee)
Mortality and things ending and beginning anew is divine as it’s a part of nature! It’s just hard to feel it or see it because a lot of societies idealize the idea of immorality
There is a great Buddhist monk named Thic Nhat Han who actually had a RUclips channel called plum village. He had a great talk about what is the hardest thing to do for a monk. He said it’s despair. He survived the Vietnam war trying to rebuild villages that kept getting destroyed. He said to not despair was important in achieving that
I would like to add a possible connection with babylonians
The giant walls of leyndell might be inspired from From the walls of uruk which was built by Gilgamesh a mythical demigod to protect the city.
Also godfrey might be inspired by Gilgamesh both are demigods both are warrior Kings both have lion's as symbols and shown with a lion's in arts and statues finally both are on a quest to get their powers back
Gilgamesh to gain immortality and be q full god and godfrey to become an elden lord which mean godhood.
wasnt there a primordial beast men who was he enkidu or something?
@@colorpg152 yep
@@gilgamesh1148 i think he was lured to civilization and lost his bestial part and couldnt talk with animals or something, also something to do with inana or was it ishtar?
@@colorpg152 yes the God's created him to stop gilgamesh tyrant rule over his poeple they fought almost destroy half of the city after the fight they became best friends
This is incredible! Thank you for all your hard work & I wish you much success in all your future endeavors!
Worth noting the ancient Minoan civilisation had both advanced bureaucracy _and_ cannibalistic tendencies not at all matching the Ancestral Followers. The myth of the Minotaur is meant to demonise them but that depiction doesn't match Elden Ring either as the Minotaur very obviously is _not_ spiritual at all but rather an unintelligent carnivorous monster.
I wonder how much of this is actually meant to evoke a chronological order rather than simple disparity. We know of certain civilisations existing at the same time in Elden Ring but that includes Godfrey's Leyndell, the Bronze Age-inspired Fire Giants and the "Ancient" Dragons under Gransax. The Fire Giants are said to be the first to have invented smithing, fought (and won) against the _modern_ ice wyverns, lived alongside the Astrologers who would move to Raya Lucaria and yet we are supposed to believe that after their initial invention they never progressed beyond Bronze Age technology right until Marika and Godfrey wiped them out? And the dragons had an Elden Lord entombed below Farum Azula despite Godfrey supposedly being the first, plus a root-covered Elden Ring design, and Farum Azula itself mixes really ancient RL burial practices with quite elaborate architecture with columns, balustrades and domes as well as candelabras on par with a menorah.
We also know some architectural elements have to be deliberately "retro" if you compare Elphael to Leyndell and Farum Azula so I doubt we can draw a proper timeline from similarities to RL historical architecture. And why isn't there any ancient Egypt in Limgrave or Caelid?
But they are cannibalistic! Check out the Winged Greathorn Staff. They use the life force of others or those who "don't grow horns" to feed to the soul of the ancestral spirit!
"In the ancestral spirit-worshipping faith, these are considered envoys' wings, made to reap the lives of beings which experience no sprouting."
Check out the move on the ancestral follower as well! It has the ability to absorb the small animal spirits in the arena to regen health! :D
It's not really supposed to sit literally on the isle of crete, but rather the timeline follows an amalgamation of cultures and their histories as it develops into the early sciences. Its a folktale, similar to how game of thrones is about Great Britains "War of Roses".
your videos are insanely good i cant stop watching
I'm all "I've played through Elden Ring twice and I have a history degree, so I'm pretty good at Elden Ring lore."
its kinda interesting cause george r.r. martin did an interview with stephen colbert and he said "what [fromsoftware] wanted me to write was what happened 5000 years before that that totally screwed up the world" and all of the historical places talked about in this video go back about 5000 years from modern day. so maybe modern day elden ring, if were saying miyazaki is pretty much copying human history almost to a t, is 10000 years in the future from those tablets and obelisks and what not. i dunno im high
I wonder if the ancients had little Elden John shrines in their homes
Extremely good research, as always. Thank you Quelaag.
you know how people talk about having those "oh wow" moments when they come upon a new area that seems too big to have been completely hidden as well as it was?
I just had that experience with the lore, so thanks
That miro board would make a lovely irl wallpaper.
We are predisposed to seek out patterns to make sense of our reality. It can become a trap that fascinates us, to be fascinated by a symbol, and trapped by it. Not a bad thing, I can go in circles seeing symbols and inspiration in aspects of Elden Ring, Jungian patterns very easily, the heroes myth, etc.
The animal carvings also remind me of Gobekli Tepe.
How is this the first time I've see your work. Good shit and keep it up.
Love your videos! What is the program you use to map out your thoughts? I remember you talking about it in a video but I can't find it!
I saw your comment cause i was also looking for the program and it took few hours lol but if u still havent found it it should be “Miro” or “miro whiteboard”
Just looking at the virtual corkboard broke me.
21:05 It looks like they're stabbing a bird. 😆
I do in fact love it, and I do in fact love to see it
I see we have one more dancing alien this time
I think that if you look at the banner at the East capital Rampart, that is the earliest tree adoration and the banner with the skinny tree was the original and now if you see the symbol in the Elden Throne you see that the Erdtree and the rings were put in in the skinny tree (East Capital Rampart tree) Is like they say that the confusion is whether there is a great tree and erdtree and where is it, well they are intertwined and that is the symbol in the Elden throne. because you can see the skinny tree that is in the banner in the symbol. IMO.
This has been a gem. Thank you
So the Moses lookin' guy and his tablets... do the tablets have anything to do with the tablets in the chests of the giants? They look familiar but I've never been able to get a closer look. I did notice that often the tablet Moses-man is holding looks like it has roots/vines growing out of it, which of course the giants have as well.
Oh good I’m not the only one who makes these graphs
Love this video! Thanks for doing this.
One question: are you saying "Uld Palace" when you mean "Uhl Palace"? (These are different places, both in Elden Ring.) Uhl is the one that is underground.
So they are the same culture but I think the names change whether they’re topside or bottomside. It’s a alchemical thing “as above so below” I’ll make a video on it
@@quelaag Cool, thanks for the response!
It occurred to me a while back that in the Lands Between, immortal souls seem bound in an eternal cycle of being born into the world, living, dying, and returning to a pool of souls to start over (currently that's returning to the Erdtree, but the cycle seems older than that). Meanwhile, the Outer Gods seem to be in constant dispute over who gets to design the mortal shells those souls inhabit during their time walking the realm. The Greater Will seems to like meat people (even its envoys are big meat fingers), as does whatever God made the Twinbird and the Deathbirds. But then you have whatever send down a meteor that created the Onyx lords (and their kin), and whatever made the Crystalians, which seems to be going for mineral people. Then there's whatever made the dragons, and the giants, and the trolls, and so on and so forth.
If you ask me, that really doesn't sound _that_ dissimilar to the Aztec creation myth. It's possible there's some connection there.
O wouldn't say that the Greaterwill created the Ancient Dragons and they are literally Rock and Gold with very little organic based flesh.
What a good video
Hope you have a nice break
I was fucking right when I thought I recognized hebrew on that tablet in game I'm so happy you confirmed it
Ooh, starting now, and this already looks good
here's the queen marika without the lack
The dragon quest music a bop
You got mentioned in the new smoughtown video!!!
To send you down another rabbit hole of potential real life inspiration, look up Australian aboriginal art and myths. Their oral histories are literally the oldest on the planet, going back to the very begining of their time in Australia 50,000-70,000 years ago, even mentioning Megalania, which went extinct several tens of thousands of years back and was the biggest reptile species to ever walk the earth.
Once you showed the obelisk in the previous vid it shattered my thoughts on what the lands between were and now I'm so much more lost. I need to know what is with the accents its the only part I dont get
You're able to freely summon spirits that manifest into the corporeal realm.. the lands between are simply the lands "between".
A place where all time converges.
@@botmushin8878 not according to this theory this makes the would look like more of a mirror of ours than it ever has
@@zakaryrichmond396 Yes this is what I meant.
What if I told you that it's always been the case in all of their games and the "lands between" is just another name?
@@botmushin8878 but what if it isn't on the Obelisk we can see depicted the people here before marika and all of them arriving on ships and creating the uld Dynasty which collapsed for unknown reasons we see the apothecaries trying to create life after being shunned "Underground" to their Gothic cities by a Christianity fill in. In her videos she has tried to claim that this is "the lands between" the two rivers in northeastern Africa and what I want to know is why the fuck is everyone speaking in uk based accents I'm trying to partake in this Theory without just giving up and saying that all time is converged into one place so we should give up on any Sensibility
@@botmushin8878 sure all time being converged in one place is a fun concept but she is making me think that there's something more here and I can't ignore that to say that they just layered all of society on top of each other
the new crucible knight is devonia. following siluria and ordovis.
Now imagine what civiliation fell during the mass impact 12000 years ago
i am 4 minutes and 46 seconds in and i can't believe this is a real video
yeah imagine how i feel
This video be old, so who knows if you'll see this. But the "giants" in myth always being actually huge is pretty much just a Greek thing. This isn't a failure or misunderstanding on your part, this is a misunderstanding on basically everyone's part, especially due to the incomplete translation of the word Jotun. While the Jotun of Norse myth were sometimes quite large, their name does not mean GIANT, it means DEVOURERERS, the Jotun were beings that consumed things. Some people attribute this quality to the metaphysical concept of chaos, but I disagree. To me, this embodies more the concept of entropy. The Jotun are beings which embody the necessary end of all things, not inherently death although that does play into entropy, but more the idea of things running their natural coarse and eventually completing, being done, and making space for the new. I find the most ancient of powers within Greek myth embody these same ideas, the first beings born of Gaia, Chaos, and Nyx who are cosmically huge yet simple, while some also being of actual tremendous size. And in Irish myth we see this too in the Fomorians, primal powers of the below, and again some of "people" size and some monstrously huge.
But even with the misunderstanding of their size and purpose, creatives like Miyazaki and his team do understand the thematic consistency that the giants will embody or signal the end of an age, and much like Odin who desperately strived to keep his age and his power from ending, so too do all these powers like Gwyn like Marika also seek to stop the giants from ending their age and power as well.
Your channel pfp is adorable, I started following your channel back when DS1 came out and EpicNameBro gave you a shoutout. Crazy how it's been so long, glad to see you're still ballin outta control🤌🤌🤌
HAS ANYONE HEARD FROM AGERMANSPY IS HE OK???
@@cloudbloom yes! He’s supposed to send me tea soon
@@quelaag I can sleep soundly now thanks🙏
The Numen, who built the Nox cities, are not from the Lands Between so their architecture should be an anomaly. The only real timeline requirement is that they must have been in the Lands Between before the establishment of the Erd Tree since Marika is one of them.
Yep, just like the Goths, who are not from Mesopotamia or Meterteranian societies. Theyre nomadic people from germany! So theyre effectively "alien" which is reflected in gothic architecture.
holy shit Mediterranean**********
I got one word for you: Moon Presence
Your channel is amazing but please take a break if you have to
Gothic architecture isn't actually the architecture of the Goths per se, it's actually French originally, probably influenced by Arab/Persian architecture with it's more delicate and open styles admitting more light. It just got lumped with the moniker "Gothic" during the Renaissance as a byword for "barbaric" by advocates of the Neo-Classical style
The Goths didn't leave much architecture behind, but the tomb of Theoderic in Ravenna's a really good example of it.
great video my friend
What is the name for the style of diagram featured in the video for mapping out the lore?
Alchemy was very much science but without any preceding context. There are no points of reference except personal experience and previous luck. Imagine mixing two substances that are both harmful and hoping your educated guess works out to make gold. (Spoilers, it made chlorine gas)
youre my favorite person
Bruh this is fascinating af
This blew my mind. Thanks.
Silver Alien has the moves
I want to make a PDF of this and send it to my game design professors.
So many threads to grab onto when it comes to lore in elden ring but not very many of them feel terribly fleshed out, kinda like in dark souls 3 with the angel thing. I hope the DLC's bring some extra meat to things like the eternal cities and the nature of rot and the rot god/goddess.
Its largely due to me, and not the game's writing. Much of this is half baked ideas and a half finished timeline because there's too much. I fully believe it's all there. I've been able to glean so much from the setting and motivation of the characters through this and through alchemy reading.
a lot of the small art that scattered around the world are bought assets that just happen to fit the game i wish it was a s deep as other souls games it would just take entirely too long