yeah yeah yeah, she's prolly still alive... then why do the "sad dog dad comes back to life again just further punish Vi for never giving up" anyway? Mel's turn was sick tho, and Jace and Viktor pulled out a heartfelt W in what was at the end of the day, a REALLY unengaging arc. This show is still a classic tho, just a lil undercooked and overstuffed at the end! On to Noxos! GET EARLY ACCESS
Warwick didn't die either. The guy was made bullet proof- a grenade won't do a whole lot of damage. The fall might've done something though - he fell below ground level & they never reveal his body either.
Well they couldn’t not do Warwick he’s pretty important in the game. In the game Vi is viewed as a traitor to Zaun as well for being a cop so I wonder how she’ll be viewed in the future here but yeah we moving on to Noxus. I think the overall role of Warwick was for Vi and Jinx to reconcile as sisters, and to be reminded that blood is thicker than water
If she came back it would completely undercut the entire arc of the character and the emotion of Season 2 would be down the drain. It would be like if Harry Potter 8 came out and Snape came back from the dead.
@@iceman10129 I mean. her arc was blatantly about realising some degree of self worth and value to her life, "It's never too late to make a new start" and that she had value beyond just pleasing the key people in her life to avoid abandonment after spending an entire season and a half trying to kill herself and the previous episode specifically doing it to benefit Vi... So... no, her surviving would be just fine for her ACTUAL arc. I don't know what arc you're specifically talking about "person who values herself very little wants to kill self, becomes person who kills self for benefit of others" isn't an arc. it's a flat line. her realising that she can "walk away" (Silco) and "build something new" is pretty explicitly her arc across Act 3 and why she steps away from the ledge in the first place. having her just commit suicide after runs counter to her arc. it doesn't complete it.
Her surviving WAS her sacrifice. Jinx has wanted to die since she became Jinx. At every turn, she has tried to blow herself up, and laments, that she, "Can't seem to die". Isha.showed her that the death of someone like her is a tragedy. Ekko showed her that she can always build something new. And even though she has to leave, leap forward and.leave some things behind, she knows that Vi will be with her, even when they are worlds apart. She takes Vi's glove, the symbol of violence, because she has the strength to, "Break the cycle". And she makes the hard fought decision to NOT let herself die. Like the baptism, she falls but is reborn. She didn't die. She was reborn whole. For Jinx, that's harder then dying. ...yeah, I didn't like the ending at first, but now I love it. It's maybe the most earned happy ending I've ever seen.
my favorite comment someone made about the Ekko vs Viktor showdown is that Viktor and Ekko had never met, so from Viktor's perspective this random punk-ass kid just drove by on a skateboard and threw literal time at him.
The turning point for Viktor is very obviously the commune. He literally has a whole speech about the iniscabability of humanity and the base instincts that push people to be self destructive. He still wants to help people even in the end but he also dosent believe people are capable of reaching the salvation they want without a hand of fate to guide them (him).
I felt the same way about this season in terms of pacing. There was definitely room for two seasons worth of story in this one with the scale they wanted to achieve. It ended up feeling like a lot of big moments that didn't hit as hard bc of a lack of more connective tissue. I wouldn't say they didn't stick the landing, but it was definitely wobbly
Great takes at the end. The writers also confirmed that Ekko spoke to Jinx about there being a good version of her, but it was off screened because of time constraints so you guys were on the money about that.
I think his mini monologue at the end of episode 6 helps explain Victor's decision afterward. He tried the whole peaceful village thing and then when it went all to shit he said the thing about humanity and emotions was the problem all along. I do agree it could have been clarified or expanded on more as its a pretty big 180 of character.
Yeah and the thing with the coin spinning : Rage and Compassion are the two faces of the same coin. They are bound. I think, that's the point where he says : "if we want to be happy, to have a world without sorrow, dispair, rage, then I have to remove the coin (aka emotion)"
@@top-notch8277 it looks like they should have payed more for a sense of professionalism… or you know waited until they had more of a product to promote
@@SeanTanktop I know that ... I'm using it as a comment? if it fits - and it does - what is the problem? nearly EVERY episode in this show has a gut punch (both seasons) ... my point being that given it's past track record the idea there was gonna be a happy ending for this family was wishful thinking ... I was using a quote I knew you all would be familiar with as a friendly poke ... calm down
they should have been more apparent that Jinx left for Vi’s sake and Ekko knew and it was up to Ekko and Jinx to see if they wanted to reconnect down the line. Ekko could have easily read a letter with Jinx explaining that. also, (edit: the second to) last scene should have been Ekko and Sevika rebuilding Zaun with Mel’s last time at Piltover her collabing with them. that is the quickest fix for me. I don’t think Jinx wanted to die- she accepted that there was no way Vi and her could both live so she sacrificed herself with the understanding she would be getting rid of the last remnants of their family with Warwick which would give Vi a chance to move on.
just leave sad killer dog Dad alone, I hate the fact that the show continued to punish Vi for one of her more admirable qualities. The building could have just been collapsing and you get the same moment
The writers left open whether it's Jinx or rather Heimerdinger he is mourning at the end. And therefore there is the possibility that Ekko is with Jinx at the blimp or is following her later. I mean, nothing with "building Zaun with Sevika".
@@SeanTanktop it was cheap to have Vi’s character arc end on that. they could have even had Ekko say that Jinx left her a letter and told her to open it because she had planned to leave even if she hadn’t died and had Vi tell Ekko to keep it for now. that simple scene could have done miles for what was not much development. they serious lost her depth this season SMGDH… p.s. not to be so fanfemme-y, because I know ya’ll are regular people, but I’ve been following you all since your ATLA reactions and this is the first time we’ve interacted in the comment section and you’re one of my few very explicitly lefty media reactors/analyzers so that’s cool, 👋🏼
Like I wrote under a couple reaction videos to this episode, Jinx is 99.99% alive. There is purple lightning (and a yellow one = Warwick) right before the explosion, Kaitlyn examines the blueprints of the Ventilation systems of the Hexgatetower at the end, and the most important Powder/Jinx first speaking line in the show is "One day I'm gonna ride one of those things while an airship fly by above them."
okay, this is all nice and fun to learn about after the fact, a lot of people aren't catching that on first watch so but then why do the cruel dog dad death in the first place? Like what purpose does it serve for Vi than one last f u and we get a girl who was trying to unalive herself, unalives her self ( i know its in the interest to save her sis, but still, seems like misery porn for its own sake)
@@SeanTanktop I think Jinx wants people to believe she's dead in order to "break the cycle." My theory is that she chose to stay alive to keep an eye on Vi (since Cait lost one) and will probably come to her rescue when she needs it.
@@Goopy12 it's hinted she left Piltover on the airship we see in the end - it's a callback to scene from episode 1 s 1 when she says "one day i'm gonna ride one of these", and that's why just after the view of ship we get the end in jinx script
@@SeanTanktop Cait's look after getting Vi's answer was to see if she could tell her that she thought Jinx could be alive, if she could live a life that wasn't constantly chasing after her sister. Jinx didn't want that for Vi, so she used the opportunity to be "dead" in Piltover and start over somewhere else.
@@SeanTanktop I think there's a lot of logistical answers to it on Jinx's end. for one, she's still not past the "Jinx" idea, she still to some degree thinks her proximity brings people pain and death, so I think that after this battle she was always going to leave the two cities, "Always with you sis, even if I'm worlds away!" has the feeling of a goodbye. Ekko specifically talks about "building something new" and that's what pulls her back from the ledge., the notion of not being a perceived weight in Vi's life, but actually forming new connections elsewhere like she did with Isha. the death fakery was just an opportunity. even if she wanted to stay, that's a problem, she still killed three councilors and like... 20-30 enforcers, she was slated to be executed without trial in the last episode, while they might show a bit of leeway after she kind of saved everyone, that'll only go so far, there's no peaceful, free existence for her left in this location, and the final piece, is Vi, in Jinx's eyes, Vi needs to be with Caitlyn to be happy, but, Caitlyn the authority figure, and Jinx the potential convict would always be a dicey proposition even if Jinx hadn't specifically killed Caitlyn's mother, as far as she can see it, there's no mutual existence here, something's got to give, and as she asserts "Vi will never give up on her" if she's on the run, Vi will protect her, if she's in prison, Vi will break her out, if she flees or is exiled, Vi will leave with her/chase her. and all of this would put her in opposition to Caitlyn. so Jinx needs to leave in a way where Vi has no conflict. no need to chase her or help her and to commit fully to Caitlyn. as for the flashback, Powder's asleep in the memory, it isn't hers, it's Vander's. the last scrap of whatever's left of him when Viktor's Borg shit wears off. I don't think it's a coincidence that we have this happy memory from his perspective and then Jinx somehow escapes his clutches. If Jinx is dead (which I 99% don't think she is) then I agree, it feels like misery porn in that angle, a suicidal sacrifice after walking away from suicide feels almost comedically cruel. and I'm not really a big fan of the fakeout in general, but I can see why they did it. the series definitely feels overloaded, but I 've got the feeling that was beyond their control, despite what the creators might say. Netflix were being very stingy with their dealing, and Season 2 was renewed at the same very low cost of 3m per episode going to Riot/Fortiche. this is why the series actually ate a pretty substantial loss in isolation (one that Riot were willing to bit the bullet on, but only up to a point) a sorely needed season 3 would have pushed that loss into ridiculous scale and was evidently a bridge too far, with any further series, renegotiation would be required, and given Arcane's success, future deals would be more lucrative. So I think they specifically aimed to end Jayce and Viktor's story, while giving Caitlyn, Vi and Jinx this kind of more open ending, one that can actually kind of serve as an ending if they never get the chance to continue their stories (which I believe they plan to do). albeit not a very good open ending on the scale of things. they got caught in a bad position and I think they made the best of it.
37:36 The turning point was Jayce killing him in act 2. He was previously against sacrificing Vander for his (Viktor's) own sake. He accepted the finite limitations of his powers, and while in disagreement to an extent with Singed, the undercurrent was still there. Both believed in the evolution of humanity, superseding nature, yet differed on whether the "human" part was necessary or not to that evolution. Viktor gives his monologue about the failings of humanity (which also applied to him), and becomes convinced that the final state of human evolution does not require "humanity". Honestly the betrayal being the catalyst to Viktor's villain heel turn is rather appropriate, considering the repeated motif that those who are closest to us are those capable of inflicting the greatest harm; reflected in the series by the multiple siblings/sibling-like relationships that follow that pattern.
I don't mind when a tragic character has a tragic ending, but it truly feels like so much was cut out of this season for time that there's a lot of disconnect between episodes. It's crazy how much even a short third season with just 3 episodes could have benefitted the conclusion of this story, and i say that as someone who enjoyed the season and liked everything that was there, i just felt that a lot of essential things were missing to make the story beats feel earned. Sometimes studios go a little too hard when they're "cutting out the fat" in a story, and in this case basically every subplot was lacking at one point or another throughout the season.
I think the ship was Jinx leaving. She was looking at the tunnels where Jinx fell well holding the nad that she used. Kinda think they left it open just in case they want to bring her back.
I believe it’s bc Jinx needed a reason to leave without Vi coming after her because jinx in lore plays roles in some of the other champions stories of other nations, unless they changing some of the lore.
I really enjoyed your discussion at the end. Personally I too was really disappointed at jinx having to sacrifice herself at the end, it just felt so unnecessary after all the back and forth but now looking back and knowing that she's alive took away a lot of the bad aftertaste i had. I originally expected her to die before the redemption arc where the family reunites so I'm just glad she lives and took silcos words to heart. Jinx took "silco"'s words about breaking the cycle and walking away to heart. The city and her couldn't heal if this kept going. There was too much killing and adversity and they both needed a fresh start, even if it breaks my heart that vi got hurt AGAIN. But hey she's got a cupcake to console her so maybe its not all bad. There are definitely things you missed, some which you could have cought, others are plainly not something you notice on your first watch, so if you rewatch it a few times you definitely pick up on some of the smaller details and hints to make the story a bit more round. But yeah i think everybody would have liked a few extra episodes to flesh out some of these massive developments more. All in all i still loved it and I'm just glad they didn't totally butcher the second season after delivering so amazingly on the first. That is absolutely not a given. To kinda go against what I just said about wanting more episodes, I do have to applaud that they didn't drag out this storyline more than they had to. It would have been easy to milk this for 5-10 seasons until everybody ist just sick of it, but they stuck to their plan and we get something 90% fresh in the spinoffs.
y'all's critiques are spot on! season 2 lost a handful of key creatives from season 1 (namely pixar veteran and toy story 2 director ash brannon) who really polished the storytelling, and it shows. the team this season is much less efficient in relaying important information via dialogue, which you really feel take a hit in the characterization and pacing. someone ran the numbers and the amount of dialogue was cut clean in half from s1! it was still a fun ride, but for things to stick the landing out they really needed another handful of episodes to let the human element, what made arcane so engaging, breathe again.
The big change that happens to Victor is he almost dies. The scene that's his turning point is when he comes to confront Jayce as a 'robot' and he doesn't decide to join with Victor. When the first 'robot' is killed, Victor says to Singed "Doctor, begin the operation.". Knowingly sacrificing Vander's humanity in order to prolong his own life and achieve his 'perfect evolution'. And, I 100% agree, I told my friends they should of did 10 eps this season if they were going to do the Altered Reality with Ekko & Jayce in the future as a whole episode.
So this might not fit in with the format of your channel, but if you guys are looking for a little bit of extra Arcane, a few weeks ago, Riot released a music video called "Welcome to Noxus" which is sort of a soft continuation of this story. It follows Mel directly after the events of Arcane, while also shedding some light on new Noxian characters. It's only a few minutes long though, so I dunno if it's something you'd want to dedicate a video to or if you'd just wanna watch it on your own time or whatever. Either way though I'd let you know in case it wasn't on your radar
Someone's probably said it already, but Maddie was actually a mole the whole time! She's actually Noxian, which makes her honeypotting Cait even more gross.
I think Ambessa was a war monster to protect what she loved at the cost of those relationships. Her son was weak and died. She thought Mel was weak. But being outsmarted and killed and seeing your biggest foe tricked and marked too. She was like "aight you don't need me anymore girl I'm good"
I think you guys nailed it with the description of Jinx's ending being "needlessly cruel." I don't necessarily have a problem with endings that are tragic or bittersweet, so long as they feel earned, and have some semblance of _catharsis_ or satisfaction baked in. For me, it reads as extra salt in the wound that the most Jinx can aspire to is self-exile (she survives, but isn't allowed to try to rebuild her life in the Lanes, or try again with Vi in their homeland). It just stings that there's no conception of an ending where the sisters are allowed to be explicitly together. And it will always be less satisfying to have a show have you read between its lines and imagine a happy ending later down the line than actually present you with one itself.
This part of the show (with the sisters) is a mirror of the first episode, when Powder jumps from one building to the other (if you look up, the angle and position of Powder and Jinx match when she is looking at Vi with Warwick), its basically a point to say even though Powder is able to take "the jump" (move on), Vi isn't prepared because she can't let go. Jinx realizes Vi can't give up on her, and sadly this also makes Vi constantly take responsability over everything Jinx does, which is why she pretends to die and leaves at the end. Vi won't ever stop feeling responsible for her sister, her doing good or bad, and Jinx needs to figure herself out instead of doing things because she wants the approval of Vi, or Silco, or anyone. At least, from what I saw online and a few things the creators talked about, it seems to be what they meant with it (but hey, I could be wrong thou 😅)
honestly imo they shouldn't of gone for the fakeout they prolly will eventually go for. Even though i still think most of peoples "proof" for her being alive is all small little very explainable otherwise details i think they'll bring her back just cause shes a very popular character. However and i really hope this ends up being the case if jinx truly is dead, powder from that other universe could come over through the machine in her lab and the crystals in that drawer. And with jinx out of the way powder could easily come inside her old body and i think they could do something with that. Cayuse all these details like a random flash of pink in a bomb already infused with pink shimmer and cait smiling at vi humming even though people think its the at the computer for some reason. It just makes no sense for her to be alive when its a much better story if they actually killed her off cause they've been setting up her wanting to die all season and instead of doing it for selfish reasons liker just dying she did it for family. Plus if she was alive not telling vi after they made up like that i just cant see it happening. So i think the show didnt suffer the fans theorizing on small unimportant details do. Unless the noxus show shows jinx alive then ill agree fully with your thoughts for this season but im hoping its all just overactive fans.
I hate that Jinx dies for no reason. The battle was already over, Victor was already defeated, and she dies randomly protecting Vi. Jynx and Vi already resolved their issues, so having Jinx sacrifice herself for Vi felt unnecessary.
I hate how Caitlin, the council, and all those enforcers that abused and/or tormented the people of Zaun got away with it. Zero punishment for what they did and that Vi and many people from Zaun are okay with it. It was just so disgusting seeing Caitlin and Vi in that mansion. It makes me depressed how the fans and the audience of this show don't see any problems with it. It just a reminder why we are the state that we are. We really just don't care.
If you noticed, Sevika is sitting in Caitlyn's mom's seat on the council. So Cait relinquished her seat at the council to the Undercity as a form of penance for some of the damage she did to their people. Does it fix everything? No, but the conflict between Zaun and Piltover is an ongoing plot point of the game the show is referencing. It was never going to have a complete conclusion on that front.
@@withxoutxlifeDid I ever say anything about a conclusion? Do you think that those people will ever face the consequences of their actions? Do you think they would even have 1 year of prison and many years of community service? Do you think they will strip them of their mansions and riches? Please. Being stripped of her "mother's position" is nothing. So many police officers and people of power caused so much hard but got away with it by being "stripped of their position". If Caitlin actually wants penance, she should give herself up and go to prison.
@@withxoutxlifeAnd I don't care if it isn't finished as long as it makes it seem that what is happening is wrong. That Caitlin, the council member, the enforcers, and even Vi should have suffered the consequences and pay the price. But it wasn't that. It was that as long as they say "sorry" everything is forgiven.
You should react to the new league of legends 2025 season 1 cinematic, it’s for the game, however it kinda connects to arcane and potentially teasing the new Noxus show they are making. It was also made by the same animation team that made Arcane
I'm still saying it... this season's Act 1 could have been season 1 Act 4. And if you do that, then that would give this season 6 more episodes (the 3 that were for Act 1 + the hypothetical Act 4) to flesh out more of the story, give better pacing, Act 4 could have been 2 episodes for the battle for Piltover + the final episode as just an epilogue, no fights, just talk and closure. Still love the show but yeah, it needed more build up and better pacing for this season.
I had a blast with this season but the resolution was kinda disappointing. Having Sevika on the council wouldn't change anything by itself, and they don't show nor tell us anything else to at least try to suggest it will. Jinx is alive in the Argentina of this world, don't worry.
i genuinely loved this finale it felt like such a perfect send off to a great story. All season she was trying to kill herself selfishly and then at the end she does it finally for the good reasons. Nobody can outgrow for their crimes after all and there is no good version of jinx (only powder) so its not like shed have a place in this society anyways. Then i went online saw all these theories on how shes still alive because people saw a bit of shimmer (the pink streak) and some light (the yellow streak) in a shimmer bomb lmao. (and even if it wasn't its still more plausible its the shimmer escaping her body after being torn apart then it is her somehow running away while freefalling into Warwicks mouth and a hexcore lmao) Also cait wasn't smiling cause of the pc she was smiling at vi humming downstairs. The ship could literally be anyones they brought up a good point it could even be ekkos there is no proof its hers cause the line about riding an airship one day was already completed by her turning her base into an airship and riding it to attack ambessa. It just makes absolutely no sense that shed be alive and 1. not tell vi after they finally made up there at the end, And two how she got out of the claws of a beast trying to eat her when she couldnt get out of it before. Idk people reach and its annoying the fuck outta me cause it was such a better finale before the fans went and ruined it by speculating about all this crap.
I loved season 1, I honestly think past episode 5, season two completely fell apart, all because they wanted to do some grand apocalyptic event for the finale instead of something a little more grounded like the rest of the show. Was it fun? Sure. But my god some of the character assassination that goes on is crazy. Ambessa, a woman who throughout the entire show has been depicted as an incredibly experienced general who demands LOYALTY above all else - suddenly decides ‘Why yes Viktor, I know I just pointed out that your crazy magic powers can possess the bodies and control the wills of those you heal, but by all means, ‘enhance’ all my men! I’m sure this won’t backfire!’ 😂 Love your guys reactions btw. I feel you guys definitely praise shoes where it’s due but I’m also glad you don’t hold back on stuff too 👍
Given that the IP and the money are both coming from a game company whose products are action- and combat-oriented with a veneer of lore--the expansion of scope was inevitable. Every version of this story *that could actually get produced* is going to go big and loud at the end, because Riot was never going to drop $180 million on something that started tight and small and STAYED tight and small. It's League of Legends, not League of Relationships. The miracle is that so much else WASN'T bombastic.
Is episode 9 about disrespecting ginger-haired people? The betrayal plot doesn't look like $250m to me; it looks like pay to someone to assassinate the character and make fun of it. Guess what, it's not funny at all, and I don't support every comments or post about the "Maddie Hate" unless it was called "Fictional Harassment".
okay. Ive been waiting to say this : Cait it the monster. Jinx was right all along. She is still alive. Echo should be how we vote but Mericans are dumg. Sorry.
I enjoyed the season quite a lot but the "resolution" to the class struggle was laughable and rushed. "Oh hey look we have a common enemy, trust me", and that's enough. Meh. The childish and on the nose lyrics of the songs also made me laugh every time, like at the start of this ep. There is also a shocking amount of characters that have plenty of screen time but have almost no lines or reason to exist, that just took time from the characters we care about. Best part is that we got a resolution to the Jayce/Victor love story 😊
I think the entire piltover attack force should of been expanded with dialogue and more screen time. Her betrayal doesn't feel forced to me but unearned as we didn't know her as a character to begin with
14:00 Absolutely love that part of Mel's witchy glow-up was getting a flair for the dramatic. Shielding Caitlyn like that to reveal you are also part of the fight was sick as fuck!
The more I sit with the second season, the more I sour on it. The two primary tensions of the entire show were Topside vs Bottom & Sister vs Sister. We sweep the entire Piltover/Zaun class struggle under the rug in a matter of seconds in Episode 8 due to the "We Have To Unite To Fight A Common Enemy" trope, and it simply isn't enough to show Sevika on the Piltie Council. She's gonna constantly be outvoted and spoken over, and buried in bureaucracy, and it still doesn't even the divide between the two nation-states. And whereas Jinx is concerned, yes, yes, I know they _suggest_ she survives and "breaks the cycle" by walking away from it all, and yes, yes, "I'll always be with you, even if we're worlds apart," but it just doesn't sit right with me that we're denied the catharsis of seeing any meaningful *onscreen* reconciliation. Jinx is condemned to have, at most, a "happy" ending offscreen, while Vi ostensibly spends the majority of her days topside with Cait. Ekko in particular is paid in crumbs for being The Boy Savior, and has next to nothing to show for his efforts, which just makes me sad for the guy. Overall, I dunno, while there are definitely emotional moments sprinkled throughout the season, I feel like it hurtled towards the finish line, putting plot before story. It makes it so I don't _feel_ the impact of what should be well-earned character moments. I was surprised at how little I felt as the credits rolled. Obviously, the animation is top notch, but I just can't abide the claims of peak storytelling that seem otherwise unanimous. I think it was rushed, sloppy, and less focused than I'd like, which runs counter to the idea of the show we are presented with in Season 1. Anyways, that's enough being glum. Here's hoping things fare better in Noxus.
The Maddie hate on RUclips is one of the worst bullies that I've ever seen so far, such as Kaden, Natalie Gold, Octokrool, ur internet mom ash, and more disgusting fans, who are like straight-up harassing her, just like toxic players who wanted to pick Mel in the game (she's pretty, but Season 2 ruining her story).
At the end of the day this show exists to service the game. Non of the characters that exist in the game are going to meet their end as this would cause a continuaty problem (since the show is set in the past and serves to explain how the games characters got to where they are). From episode one, the gamers new Jinx, Vi, Victor, Jayce, Warwick, Ekko ,Kate ,heimerdinger and the doctor weren't going to die. But that didn't take anything away from the tension of the show for gamers and non gamers alike. The problem with season two is that it feels entirely written for the gamers (who don't need any hand holding or explanations as to whats going on) leaving the non gamers scratching their heads in confusion as things aren't setup or explained properly (15 episodes might of given more room for setups and explanations).
They don't really provide enough context because they did rush through so much in season 2. Viktor truly gave up his humanity when he told the doctor to start the process. He wasn't the Viktor we followed for the whole of the show at that point. It's why Skye was erased and her line of "no you won't" signals the end of the human Viktor. His line about upgrading everyone who is "willing" gets erased from him just as Vander is erased from "Warwick". At the point Viktor is in the hexgate room with Jayce he clearly believes that everything being "one" is the right path. Glad to have discovered you guys and gone along for this ride. Had me dying half the time. You guys are fantastic friends and the banter is some of the best I have ever heard.
Even when things are done subtly they still need to be clearly conveyed. And if we're keeping it a buck, the Viktor c*m Christ ascension bullsh*t is just nowhere near as compelling to take up this much of the story when there are other characters and arcs that we were so much more invested in and feel super short shrift.
@@SeanTanktopIt kills me that they resolved the entire central conflict of the series (between Piltover and Zaun - which totally isn’t a massive parallel to any real world two-state conflicts) in a 90 second montage because they really wanted to have a huge robot Space Jesus apocalypse fight at the end 😂 They threw away the most interesting part of this entire show just to make a Marvel movie in the last act and it’s kind of sad with how incredible S1 was.
yeah yeah yeah, she's prolly still alive... then why do the "sad dog dad comes back to life again just further punish Vi for never giving up" anyway? Mel's turn was sick tho, and Jace and Viktor pulled out a heartfelt W in what was at the end of the day, a REALLY unengaging arc. This show is still a classic tho, just a lil undercooked and overstuffed at the end! On to Noxos! GET EARLY ACCESS
Warwick didn't die either. The guy was made bullet proof- a grenade won't do a whole lot of damage. The fall might've done something though - he fell below ground level & they never reveal his body either.
Well they couldn’t not do Warwick he’s pretty important in the game. In the game Vi is viewed as a traitor to Zaun as well for being a cop so I wonder how she’ll be viewed in the future here but yeah we moving on to Noxus. I think the overall role of Warwick was for Vi and Jinx to reconcile as sisters, and to be reminded that blood is thicker than water
If she came back it would completely undercut the entire arc of the character and the emotion of Season 2 would be down the drain. It would be like if Harry Potter 8 came out and Snape came back from the dead.
@@iceman10129 I mean. her arc was blatantly about realising some degree of self worth and value to her life, "It's never too late to make a new start" and that she had value beyond just pleasing the key people in her life to avoid abandonment after spending an entire season and a half trying to kill herself and the previous episode specifically doing it to benefit Vi...
So... no, her surviving would be just fine for her ACTUAL arc. I don't know what arc you're specifically talking about "person who values herself very little wants to kill self, becomes person who kills self for benefit of others" isn't an arc. it's a flat line.
her realising that she can "walk away" (Silco) and "build something new" is pretty explicitly her arc across Act 3 and why she steps away from the ledge in the first place. having her just commit suicide after runs counter to her arc. it doesn't complete it.
Her surviving WAS her sacrifice.
Jinx has wanted to die since she became Jinx. At every turn, she has tried to blow herself up, and laments, that she, "Can't seem to die".
Isha.showed her that the death of someone like her is a tragedy. Ekko showed her that she can always build something new. And even though she has to leave, leap forward and.leave some things behind, she knows that Vi will be with her, even when they are worlds apart.
She takes Vi's glove, the symbol of violence, because she has the strength to, "Break the cycle". And she makes the hard fought decision to NOT let herself die. Like the baptism, she falls but is reborn. She didn't die. She was reborn whole. For Jinx, that's harder then dying.
...yeah, I didn't like the ending at first, but now I love it. It's maybe the most earned happy ending I've ever seen.
my favorite comment someone made about the Ekko vs Viktor showdown is that Viktor and Ekko had never met, so from Viktor's perspective this random punk-ass kid just drove by on a skateboard and threw literal time at him.
The turning point for Viktor is very obviously the commune. He literally has a whole speech about the iniscabability of humanity and the base instincts that push people to be self destructive. He still wants to help people even in the end but he also dosent believe people are capable of reaching the salvation they want without a hand of fate to guide them (him).
Morgan with the “Taxes & Laundry” quote 😭😭😭
Ekko is the peak example of "When your teammate locks in" lol
Jinx was on the ship. She made mention of it in the 1st episode in S1 that she would ride in one someday.
I felt the same way about this season in terms of pacing. There was definitely room for two seasons worth of story in this one with the scale they wanted to achieve. It ended up feeling like a lot of big moments that didn't hit as hard bc of a lack of more connective tissue. I wouldn't say they didn't stick the landing, but it was definitely wobbly
Great takes at the end. The writers also confirmed that Ekko spoke to Jinx about there being a good version of her, but it was off screened because of time constraints so you guys were on the money about that.
That sucks. They could’ve cut out one of those music videos and animated that scene instead.
I think his mini monologue at the end of episode 6 helps explain Victor's decision afterward. He tried the whole peaceful village thing and then when it went all to shit he said the thing about humanity and emotions was the problem all along. I do agree it could have been clarified or expanded on more as its a pretty big 180 of character.
Yeah and the thing with the coin spinning : Rage and Compassion are the two faces of the same coin. They are bound.
I think, that's the point where he says : "if we want to be happy, to have a world without sorrow, dispair, rage, then I have to remove the coin (aka emotion)"
Welcome to Noxus cinematic trailer!
Is that really a thing? It looks like a fan edit or something
@@hellfish2309 official release from the league of legends channel and made in partnership with Fortiche.
Its official...directly from riot 🧍♂️
@@hellfish2309 how tf does it look like a fan edit 😅
@@top-notch8277 it looks like they should have payed more for a sense of professionalism… or you know waited until they had more of a product to promote
"Viktor thinks he invented Borging" is such a funny sentence lmao
I almost spit out my drink
"If you think this has a happy ending - you haven't been paying attention" ... did you forget about that? this isn't Disney guys
That’s literally not a line of dialogue from this show, tf
@@SeanTanktop I know that ... I'm using it as a comment? if it fits - and it does - what is the problem? nearly EVERY episode in this show has a gut punch (both seasons) ... my point being that given it's past track record the idea there was gonna be a happy ending for this family was wishful thinking ... I was using a quote I knew you all would be familiar with as a friendly poke ... calm down
they should have been more apparent that Jinx left for Vi’s sake and Ekko knew and it was up to Ekko and Jinx to see if they wanted to reconnect down the line. Ekko could have easily read a letter with Jinx explaining that.
also, (edit: the second to) last scene should have been Ekko and Sevika rebuilding Zaun with Mel’s last time at Piltover her collabing with them. that is the quickest fix for me.
I don’t think Jinx wanted to die- she accepted that there was no way Vi and her could both live so she sacrificed herself with the understanding she would be getting rid of the last remnants of their family with Warwick which would give Vi a chance to move on.
just leave sad killer dog Dad alone, I hate the fact that the show continued to punish Vi for one of her more admirable qualities. The building could have just been collapsing and you get the same moment
The writers left open whether it's Jinx or rather Heimerdinger he is mourning at the end. And therefore there is the possibility that Ekko is with Jinx at the blimp or is following her later. I mean, nothing with "building Zaun with Sevika".
@mullworm still could have had the Firelights featured at the end and then the blimp instead of Vi and Cait.
@@SeanTanktop it was cheap to have Vi’s character arc end on that. they could have even had Ekko say that Jinx left her a letter and told her to open it because she had planned to leave even if she hadn’t died and had Vi tell Ekko to keep it for now. that simple scene could have done miles for what was not much development. they serious lost her depth this season SMGDH…
p.s. not to be so fanfemme-y, because I know ya’ll are regular people, but I’ve been following you all since your ATLA reactions and this is the first time we’ve interacted in the comment section and you’re one of my few very explicitly lefty media reactors/analyzers so that’s cool, 👋🏼
Like I wrote under a couple reaction videos to this episode, Jinx is 99.99% alive.
There is purple lightning (and a yellow one = Warwick) right before the explosion, Kaitlyn examines the blueprints of the Ventilation systems of the Hexgatetower at the end, and the most important Powder/Jinx first speaking line in the show is "One day I'm gonna ride one of those things while an airship fly by above them."
okay, this is all nice and fun to learn about after the fact, a lot of people aren't catching that on first watch so but then why do the cruel dog dad death in the first place? Like what purpose does it serve for Vi than one last f u and we get a girl who was trying to unalive herself, unalives her self ( i know its in the interest to save her sis, but still, seems like misery porn for its own sake)
@@SeanTanktop I think Jinx wants people to believe she's dead in order to "break the cycle." My theory is that she chose to stay alive to keep an eye on Vi (since Cait lost one) and will probably come to her rescue when she needs it.
@@Goopy12 it's hinted she left Piltover on the airship we see in the end - it's a callback to scene from episode 1 s 1 when she says "one day i'm gonna ride one of these", and that's why just after the view of ship we get the end in jinx script
@@SeanTanktop Cait's look after getting Vi's answer was to see if she could tell her that she thought Jinx could be alive, if she could live a life that wasn't constantly chasing after her sister. Jinx didn't want that for Vi, so she used the opportunity to be "dead" in Piltover and start over somewhere else.
@@SeanTanktop I think there's a lot of logistical answers to it on Jinx's end.
for one, she's still not past the "Jinx" idea, she still to some degree thinks her proximity brings people pain and death, so I think that after this battle she was always going to leave the two cities, "Always with you sis, even if I'm worlds away!" has the feeling of a goodbye. Ekko specifically talks about "building something new" and that's what pulls her back from the ledge., the notion of not being a perceived weight in Vi's life, but actually forming new connections elsewhere like she did with Isha.
the death fakery was just an opportunity.
even if she wanted to stay, that's a problem, she still killed three councilors and like... 20-30 enforcers, she was slated to be executed without trial in the last episode, while they might show a bit of leeway after she kind of saved everyone, that'll only go so far, there's no peaceful, free existence for her left in this location,
and the final piece, is Vi, in Jinx's eyes, Vi needs to be with Caitlyn to be happy, but, Caitlyn the authority figure, and Jinx the potential convict would always be a dicey proposition even if Jinx hadn't specifically killed Caitlyn's mother, as far as she can see it, there's no mutual existence here, something's got to give, and as she asserts "Vi will never give up on her" if she's on the run, Vi will protect her, if she's in prison, Vi will break her out, if she flees or is exiled, Vi will leave with her/chase her. and all of this would put her in opposition to Caitlyn. so Jinx needs to leave in a way where Vi has no conflict. no need to chase her or help her and to commit fully to Caitlyn.
as for the flashback, Powder's asleep in the memory, it isn't hers, it's Vander's. the last scrap of whatever's left of him when Viktor's Borg shit wears off. I don't think it's a coincidence that we have this happy memory from his perspective and then Jinx somehow escapes his clutches.
If Jinx is dead (which I 99% don't think she is) then I agree, it feels like misery porn in that angle, a suicidal sacrifice after walking away from suicide feels almost comedically cruel.
and I'm not really a big fan of the fakeout in general, but I can see why they did it.
the series definitely feels overloaded, but I 've got the feeling that was beyond their control, despite what the creators might say.
Netflix were being very stingy with their dealing, and Season 2 was renewed at the same very low cost of 3m per episode going to Riot/Fortiche. this is why the series actually ate a pretty substantial loss in isolation (one that Riot were willing to bit the bullet on, but only up to a point) a sorely needed season 3 would have pushed that loss into ridiculous scale and was evidently a bridge too far, with any further series, renegotiation would be required, and given Arcane's success, future deals would be more lucrative.
So I think they specifically aimed to end Jayce and Viktor's story, while giving Caitlyn, Vi and Jinx this kind of more open ending, one that can actually kind of serve as an ending if they never get the chance to continue their stories (which I believe they plan to do). albeit not a very good open ending on the scale of things. they got caught in a bad position and I think they made the best of it.
37:36 The turning point was Jayce killing him in act 2. He was previously against sacrificing Vander for his (Viktor's) own sake. He accepted the finite limitations of his powers, and while in disagreement to an extent with Singed, the undercurrent was still there. Both believed in the evolution of humanity, superseding nature, yet differed on whether the "human" part was necessary or not to that evolution.
Viktor gives his monologue about the failings of humanity (which also applied to him), and becomes convinced that the final state of human evolution does not require "humanity".
Honestly the betrayal being the catalyst to Viktor's villain heel turn is rather appropriate, considering the repeated motif that those who are closest to us are those capable of inflicting the greatest harm; reflected in the series by the multiple siblings/sibling-like relationships that follow that pattern.
dam yall are probably the only reaction channel ive found that have the same problems with this season that i do.😂
honestly, most reaction channels are suck-off factories
I don't mind when a tragic character has a tragic ending, but it truly feels like so much was cut out of this season for time that there's a lot of disconnect between episodes. It's crazy how much even a short third season with just 3 episodes could have benefitted the conclusion of this story, and i say that as someone who enjoyed the season and liked everything that was there, i just felt that a lot of essential things were missing to make the story beats feel earned. Sometimes studios go a little too hard when they're "cutting out the fat" in a story, and in this case basically every subplot was lacking at one point or another throughout the season.
Maddie was always from Noxus
and she was the one who sabotaged the bomb meant for viktor's egg
And Mel is a gingerphobe
I think the ship was Jinx leaving. She was looking at the tunnels where Jinx fell well holding the nad that she used. Kinda think they left it open just in case they want to bring her back.
I believe it’s bc Jinx needed a reason to leave without Vi coming after her because jinx in lore plays roles in some of the other champions stories of other nations, unless they changing some of the lore.
I really enjoyed your discussion at the end. Personally I too was really disappointed at jinx having to sacrifice herself at the end, it just felt so unnecessary after all the back and forth but now looking back and knowing that she's alive took away a lot of the bad aftertaste i had. I originally expected her to die before the redemption arc where the family reunites so I'm just glad she lives and took silcos words to heart. Jinx took "silco"'s words about breaking the cycle and walking away to heart. The city and her couldn't heal if this kept going. There was too much killing and adversity and they both needed a fresh start, even if it breaks my heart that vi got hurt AGAIN. But hey she's got a cupcake to console her so maybe its not all bad.
There are definitely things you missed, some which you could have cought, others are plainly not something you notice on your first watch, so if you rewatch it a few times you definitely pick up on some of the smaller details and hints to make the story a bit more round. But yeah i think everybody would have liked a few extra episodes to flesh out some of these massive developments more. All in all i still loved it and I'm just glad they didn't totally butcher the second season after delivering so amazingly on the first. That is absolutely not a given.
To kinda go against what I just said about wanting more episodes, I do have to applaud that they didn't drag out this storyline more than they had to. It would have been easy to milk this for 5-10 seasons until everybody ist just sick of it, but they stuck to their plan and we get something 90% fresh in the spinoffs.
y'all's critiques are spot on! season 2 lost a handful of key creatives from season 1 (namely pixar veteran and toy story 2 director ash brannon) who really polished the storytelling, and it shows. the team this season is much less efficient in relaying important information via dialogue, which you really feel take a hit in the characterization and pacing. someone ran the numbers and the amount of dialogue was cut clean in half from s1! it was still a fun ride, but for things to stick the landing out they really needed another handful of episodes to let the human element, what made arcane so engaging, breathe again.
it was plot over pathos for sure
yupp :,)
Watch the explosion in the Hexgate tower in slow mo, you'll see a little purple streak heading out. Who do you think was on that airship in the end.
The big change that happens to Victor is he almost dies. The scene that's his turning point is when he comes to confront Jayce as a 'robot' and he doesn't decide to join with Victor. When the first 'robot' is killed, Victor says to Singed "Doctor, begin the operation.". Knowingly sacrificing Vander's humanity in order to prolong his own life and achieve his 'perfect evolution'. And, I 100% agree, I told my friends they should of did 10 eps this season if they were going to do the Altered Reality with Ekko & Jayce in the future as a whole episode.
They dropped the hint, she's not dead. Also, I'm more in love with Morgan after she dropped the Happiness reference. ❤
Istg Morgan is always predicting everything I love that xd
So this might not fit in with the format of your channel, but if you guys are looking for a little bit of extra Arcane, a few weeks ago, Riot released a music video called "Welcome to Noxus" which is sort of a soft continuation of this story. It follows Mel directly after the events of Arcane, while also shedding some light on new Noxian characters. It's only a few minutes long though, so I dunno if it's something you'd want to dedicate a video to or if you'd just wanna watch it on your own time or whatever.
Either way though I'd let you know in case it wasn't on your radar
Someone's probably said it already, but Maddie was actually a mole the whole time! She's actually Noxian, which makes her honeypotting Cait even more gross.
I think Ambessa was a war monster to protect what she loved at the cost of those relationships. Her son was weak and died. She thought Mel was weak. But being outsmarted and killed and seeing your biggest foe tricked and marked too. She was like "aight you don't need me anymore girl I'm good"
I think you guys nailed it with the description of Jinx's ending being "needlessly cruel." I don't necessarily have a problem with endings that are tragic or bittersweet, so long as they feel earned, and have some semblance of _catharsis_ or satisfaction baked in. For me, it reads as extra salt in the wound that the most Jinx can aspire to is self-exile (she survives, but isn't allowed to try to rebuild her life in the Lanes, or try again with Vi in their homeland). It just stings that there's no conception of an ending where the sisters are allowed to be explicitly together. And it will always be less satisfying to have a show have you read between its lines and imagine a happy ending later down the line than actually present you with one itself.
and the fact she's denied Vander's love and kills him again. I know its out of mercy, but f*k. Can we leave this corpse alone
This part of the show (with the sisters) is a mirror of the first episode, when Powder jumps from one building to the other (if you look up, the angle and position of Powder and Jinx match when she is looking at Vi with Warwick), its basically a point to say even though Powder is able to take "the jump" (move on), Vi isn't prepared because she can't let go. Jinx realizes Vi can't give up on her, and sadly this also makes Vi constantly take responsability over everything Jinx does, which is why she pretends to die and leaves at the end. Vi won't ever stop feeling responsible for her sister, her doing good or bad, and Jinx needs to figure herself out instead of doing things because she wants the approval of Vi, or Silco, or anyone. At least, from what I saw online and a few things the creators talked about, it seems to be what they meant with it (but hey, I could be wrong thou 😅)
Daeny and Victor: “They don’t get to choose”
Cait’s new code name is Snipe Plissken. Coming soon - “Escape from Piltover”
looooool
honestly imo they shouldn't of gone for the fakeout they prolly will eventually go for. Even though i still think most of peoples "proof" for her being alive is all small little very explainable otherwise details i think they'll bring her back just cause shes a very popular character. However and i really hope this ends up being the case if jinx truly is dead, powder from that other universe could come over through the machine in her lab and the crystals in that drawer. And with jinx out of the way powder could easily come inside her old body and i think they could do something with that. Cayuse all these details like a random flash of pink in a bomb already infused with pink shimmer and cait smiling at vi humming even though people think its the at the computer for some reason. It just makes no sense for her to be alive when its a much better story if they actually killed her off cause they've been setting up her wanting to die all season and instead of doing it for selfish reasons liker just dying she did it for family. Plus if she was alive not telling vi after they made up like that i just cant see it happening. So i think the show didnt suffer the fans theorizing on small unimportant details do. Unless the noxus show shows jinx alive then ill agree fully with your thoughts for this season but im hoping its all just overactive fans.
I hate that Jinx dies for no reason. The battle was already over, Victor was already defeated, and she dies randomly protecting Vi. Jynx and Vi already resolved their issues, so having Jinx sacrifice herself for Vi felt unnecessary.
Pink in Jink’s hair was for Isha
I hate how Caitlin, the council, and all those enforcers that abused and/or tormented the people of Zaun got away with it. Zero punishment for what they did and that Vi and many people from Zaun are okay with it. It was just so disgusting seeing Caitlin and Vi in that mansion. It makes me depressed how the fans and the audience of this show don't see any problems with it. It just a reminder why we are the state that we are. We really just don't care.
yeah, they just did a fascism and brutalized all of their own citizens and then was like ... whoops Sawie
Their story isn't over.
If you noticed, Sevika is sitting in Caitlyn's mom's seat on the council. So Cait relinquished her seat at the council to the Undercity as a form of penance for some of the damage she did to their people. Does it fix everything? No, but the conflict between Zaun and Piltover is an ongoing plot point of the game the show is referencing. It was never going to have a complete conclusion on that front.
@@withxoutxlifeDid I ever say anything about a conclusion? Do you think that those people will ever face the consequences of their actions? Do you think they would even have 1 year of prison and many years of community service? Do you think they will strip them of their mansions and riches?
Please. Being stripped of her "mother's position" is nothing. So many police officers and people of power caused so much hard but got away with it by being "stripped of their position".
If Caitlin actually wants penance, she should give herself up and go to prison.
@@withxoutxlifeAnd I don't care if it isn't finished as long as it makes it seem that what is happening is wrong. That Caitlin, the council member, the enforcers, and even Vi should have suffered the consequences and pay the price. But it wasn't that. It was that as long as they say "sorry" everything is forgiven.
There is a small video that you guys should watch that might continue the story a little.
Welcome to Noxus bite marks.
You guys should react to the League of Legends Bite Marks video. It's basically a sequel to Arcane and teaser for the upcoming Noxus animation.
You should react to the new league of legends 2025 season 1 cinematic, it’s for the game, however it kinda connects to arcane and potentially teasing the new Noxus show they are making. It was also made by the same animation team that made Arcane
Any of you ever watched Dark? Would be cool to see you guys react to it
I'm still saying it... this season's Act 1 could have been season 1 Act 4. And if you do that, then that would give this season 6 more episodes (the 3 that were for Act 1 + the hypothetical Act 4) to flesh out more of the story, give better pacing, Act 4 could have been 2 episodes for the battle for Piltover + the final episode as just an epilogue, no fights, just talk and closure.
Still love the show but yeah, it needed more build up and better pacing for this season.
So your saying dont take one side or the other. Live in the ECHO?
Precog Morgan never fails!
More squid game pls
tonight!
@ tysm
if y'all like crazy fights and using bullets and guns for momentum you should DEFINITELY watch RWBY 😂
I had a blast with this season but the resolution was kinda disappointing. Having Sevika on the council wouldn't change anything by itself, and they don't show nor tell us anything else to at least try to suggest it will.
Jinx is alive in the Argentina of this world, don't worry.
i genuinely loved this finale it felt like such a perfect send off to a great story. All season she was trying to kill herself selfishly and then at the end she does it finally for the good reasons. Nobody can outgrow for their crimes after all and there is no good version of jinx (only powder) so its not like shed have a place in this society anyways.
Then i went online saw all these theories on how shes still alive because people saw a bit of shimmer (the pink streak) and some light (the yellow streak) in a shimmer bomb lmao. (and even if it wasn't its still more plausible its the shimmer escaping her body after being torn apart then it is her somehow running away while freefalling into Warwicks mouth and a hexcore lmao) Also cait wasn't smiling cause of the pc she was smiling at vi humming downstairs. The ship could literally be anyones they brought up a good point it could even be ekkos there is no proof its hers cause the line about riding an airship one day was already completed by her turning her base into an airship and riding it to attack ambessa. It just makes absolutely no sense that shed be alive and 1. not tell vi after they finally made up there at the end, And two how she got out of the claws of a beast trying to eat her when she couldnt get out of it before. Idk people reach and its annoying the fuck outta me cause it was such a better finale before the fans went and ruined it by speculating about all this crap.
35:55 are you sure about that?
They took Cait's eye?
F Cait. She deserved much worse. Cait it one of the most reprehensive persons you could ever meet. She is the monster !
so distracted that they missed half of it.
Like what?
The boy savior
I loved season 1, I honestly think past episode 5, season two completely fell apart, all because they wanted to do some grand apocalyptic event for the finale instead of something a little more grounded like the rest of the show. Was it fun? Sure. But my god some of the character assassination that goes on is crazy.
Ambessa, a woman who throughout the entire show has been depicted as an incredibly experienced general who demands LOYALTY above all else - suddenly decides ‘Why yes Viktor, I know I just pointed out that your crazy magic powers can possess the bodies and control the wills of those you heal, but by all means, ‘enhance’ all my men! I’m sure this won’t backfire!’ 😂
Love your guys reactions btw. I feel you guys definitely praise shoes where it’s due but I’m also glad you don’t hold back on stuff too 👍
Given that the IP and the money are both coming from a game company whose products are action- and combat-oriented with a veneer of lore--the expansion of scope was inevitable. Every version of this story *that could actually get produced* is going to go big and loud at the end, because Riot was never going to drop $180 million on something that started tight and small and STAYED tight and small. It's League of Legends, not League of Relationships.
The miracle is that so much else WASN'T bombastic.
Ha u guys didnt catch on Jinx still being alive. Honestly for a first time watch the hints are subtle
i think outside of check on the internet after, very few people would catch it
Is episode 9 about disrespecting ginger-haired people?
The betrayal plot doesn't look like $250m to me; it looks like pay to someone to assassinate the character and make fun of it.
Guess what, it's not funny at all, and I don't support every comments or post about the "Maddie Hate" unless it was called "Fictional Harassment".
okay. Ive been waiting to say this :
Cait it the monster. Jinx was right all along. She is still alive. Echo should be how we vote but Mericans are dumg. Sorry.
I enjoyed the season quite a lot but the "resolution" to the class struggle was laughable and rushed. "Oh hey look we have a common enemy, trust me", and that's enough. Meh.
The childish and on the nose lyrics of the songs also made me laugh every time, like at the start of this ep.
There is also a shocking amount of characters that have plenty of screen time but have almost no lines or reason to exist, that just took time from the characters we care about.
Best part is that we got a resolution to the Jayce/Victor love story 😊
I could have forgiven Caitlin and Vi if they went to live in a very small apartment in Zaun and become working class citizens.
The Maddie "plot twist" was forced. It wasn't well established nor did it feel honest.
I think the entire piltover attack force should of been expanded with dialogue and more screen time. Her betrayal doesn't feel forced to me but unearned as we didn't know her as a character to begin with
Now React to The welcome to Noxus Cinematic 💨
14:00 Absolutely love that part of Mel's witchy glow-up was getting a flair for the dramatic. Shielding Caitlyn like that to reveal you are also part of the fight was sick as fuck!
Gingerphobic characters are exist
The more I sit with the second season, the more I sour on it. The two primary tensions of the entire show were Topside vs Bottom & Sister vs Sister. We sweep the entire Piltover/Zaun class struggle under the rug in a matter of seconds in Episode 8 due to the "We Have To Unite To Fight A Common Enemy" trope, and it simply isn't enough to show Sevika on the Piltie Council.
She's gonna constantly be outvoted and spoken over, and buried in bureaucracy, and it still doesn't even the divide between the two nation-states. And whereas Jinx is concerned, yes, yes, I know they _suggest_ she survives and "breaks the cycle" by walking away from it all, and yes, yes, "I'll always be with you, even if we're worlds apart," but it just doesn't sit right with me that we're denied the catharsis of seeing any meaningful *onscreen* reconciliation. Jinx is condemned to have, at most, a "happy" ending offscreen, while Vi ostensibly spends the majority of her days topside with Cait. Ekko in particular is paid in crumbs for being The Boy Savior, and has next to nothing to show for his efforts, which just makes me sad for the guy. Overall, I dunno, while there are definitely emotional moments sprinkled throughout the season, I feel like it hurtled towards the finish line, putting plot before story. It makes it so I don't _feel_ the impact of what should be well-earned character moments. I was surprised at how little I felt as the credits rolled. Obviously, the animation is top notch, but I just can't abide the claims of peak storytelling that seem otherwise unanimous. I think it was rushed, sloppy, and less focused than I'd like, which runs counter to the idea of the show we are presented with in Season 1. Anyways, that's enough being glum. Here's hoping things fare better in Noxus.
why do i like your discussions more than the reactions
because it has more nuance
ARE THESE RUclipsRS BECOMING GINGERPHOBIC?
The Maddie hate on RUclips is one of the worst bullies that I've ever seen so far, such as Kaden, Natalie Gold, Octokrool, ur internet mom ash, and more disgusting fans, who are like straight-up harassing her, just like toxic players who wanted to pick Mel in the game (she's pretty, but Season 2 ruining her story).
At the end of the day this show exists to service the game. Non of the characters that exist in the game are going to meet their end as this would cause a continuaty problem (since the show is set in the past and serves to explain how the games characters got to where they are). From episode one, the gamers new Jinx, Vi, Victor, Jayce, Warwick, Ekko ,Kate ,heimerdinger and the doctor weren't going to die. But that didn't take anything away from the tension of the show for gamers and non gamers alike.
The problem with season two is that it feels entirely written for the gamers (who don't need any hand holding or explanations as to whats going on) leaving the non gamers scratching their heads in confusion as things aren't setup or explained properly (15 episodes might of given more room for setups and explanations).
They don't really provide enough context because they did rush through so much in season 2. Viktor truly gave up his humanity when he told the doctor to start the process. He wasn't the Viktor we followed for the whole of the show at that point. It's why Skye was erased and her line of "no you won't" signals the end of the human Viktor. His line about upgrading everyone who is "willing" gets erased from him just as Vander is erased from "Warwick". At the point Viktor is in the hexgate room with Jayce he clearly believes that everything being "one" is the right path.
Glad to have discovered you guys and gone along for this ride. Had me dying half the time. You guys are fantastic friends and the banter is some of the best I have ever heard.
Even when things are done subtly they still need to be clearly conveyed. And if we're keeping it a buck, the Viktor c*m Christ ascension bullsh*t is just nowhere near as compelling to take up this much of the story when there are other characters and arcs that we were so much more invested in and feel super short shrift.
"I will miss our talks"
"No... You won't."
Viktor giving up his humanity.
@@SeanTanktopIt kills me that they resolved the entire central conflict of the series (between Piltover and Zaun - which totally isn’t a massive parallel to any real world two-state conflicts) in a 90 second montage because they really wanted to have a huge robot Space Jesus apocalypse fight at the end 😂
They threw away the most interesting part of this entire show just to make a Marvel movie in the last act and it’s kind of sad with how incredible S1 was.
@@hawke5311 not clear enough after an OCEAN of meandering existentialist dialogue
@@Vin_Venture896 yeah, like, just control for Piltover or the Hexgate could have been enough