I mean, it's a solid scare-tactic: the less people have, the more protective they're likely to be of whatever they _do_ have, and so the harder they'll fight against anyone they've been convinced are trying to take it away.
I've yet to meet a single socialist who has any suggestion at all for real world economic policy that isn't "Let's just raise taxes" followed by a bunch of delusions about how the taxes will only magically hit the rich people who don't pay fucking taxes.
@@SolarShado Ye while in reality socialist are trying to give them stuff. What we want is that every one rewarded equaly for hard work and punished for harming others with greed.
One thing I'd mention is that America's decline in consumer goods quality was a slow one. I'm 39, and my mom was 39 years older than me so she graduated in 1958 (she skipped 2 grades, so she graduated at 16). Although she passed away 4 years ago, I still have all her working electronic beauty products like those giant chrome massagers and she got her first hair dryer in 1954, and it still works. Capitalism figured out how to export cheap labor and make crap products that die in less than a decade now.
I'm 20 and there are multiple electronics/products in our household that work perfectly fine and are older than me. New stuff really is shittier, even I noticed that. I remember being in 6th grade (~11y old) , getting my first smartphone (an LG Optimus Black, I love that thing). Back then you could just pop off the plastic on the back of the phone, switch the battery if needed and you'd have a perfectly working phone. Nowadays, take the IPhone 13 for example. God forbid that thing fails because they've made it a royal pain in the ass to take it apart, and the thing won't even work if you replaced the damaged parts with perfectly working, original IPhone 13 parts. You have to take it to them, just so they can squeeze as much money out of you as possible, god forbid you fix anything yourself. And that's just the example with phones, just the tip of the iceberg.
I'm pretty sure capitalism is a big reason why minimalism is getting so popular in recent years. We have less money to spend, and stuff doesn't last. Buy less, and if you need something rarely, it is better to rent/borrow as it wont last long, and it would take up more space in our homes that are getting smaller as we need to cut living expenses.
My car (1960 Chevy Corvair) is sixty-two years old and still works (until I took the gas tank out). The only parts I've had to replace so far are the common consumable ones and some things damaged long before I had it. This car was a farm car in North Dakota for years and somehow has only surface rust. The drivetrain is all analog and easy to work on. I couldn't imagine working on a car made today. Everything is proprietary and overengineered to the point that it is not serviceable by even a good mechanic.
"Capitalism figured out how to export cheap labor and make crap products" Capitalism invented those products, created a market for those products, and mass produced those products. Those products took decades to appear in socialist countries, and always as cheap knockoffs that died in weeks. If people actually want products that last longer, capitalism will make it. But people don't want those things, they rather buy it cheap and replace it. Nothing to do with capitalism; without capitalism those products either wouldn't have been created, or wouldn't be mass-affordable.
@@humankirk9196 yet in Cuba, most people who drive do it in American cars from the 50s. And Russians are driving USSR made cars from back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. A demand for goods produces products, it doesn't matter if it's in Venezuela, Cuba, the US, or 1930s Germany.
Also his quote on fascism is pretty important. Most people in Nazi Germany didn't care they were living under fascism and probably benefitted from it anyway. If you weren't Jewish, queer, disabled, or a socialist, there wasn't really any reason to not be a proud Nazi. And that ultimately is the problem. Any attempt to convince those who benefit from oppression that they don't will fall on deaf ears.
@@loturzelrestaurant I look at systems as what works and what doesn't work, what makes sense and what doesn't make sense. Apparently, I have more time to think about common sense than most people because I can see that we need to get off the monetary-market system. That's the crux of the problem because money, these days, is so coercive and toxic to people's health, it isn't sustainable. Now, we could use socialist policies to get to a place where we don't need money and markets. Via a UBI or Guaranteed Livable Income in Care Jobs that takes the power away from the capitalists and puts it in our collective hands for more autonomy. It probably takes 50 years to seen transition take place. But what we do now in the next 5, 10, 15 years can make a big difference, you know?
Sad that this has to be explained - socialist goals have been purposely obfuscated and is going to take a lot of agitation and education to unlearn. JT - if you are reading this comment, I hope you take this video idea into consideration: the cause of crime, particularly elevated crime levels in cities. A lot of people I know have a misguided understanding of crime and its roots and I think this would be a very educational video for most people.
CityNerd did a great video a couple weeks ago debunking the urban vs. rural crime myth. Not quite what you're asking for but certainly an interesting video.
This!! A lot of people will always be against gun control, living in cities, freeing certain incarcerated populations or other positive changes to the way we live because of "crime," without considering the circumstances that leads people to crime. An in-depth explanation would be greatly appreciated.
Speaking as a fifty four year old English Anarchist, may I just say that your videos are a source of hope for me. It is deeply encouraging to see a young American understanding and educating, in an un-patronising way, many of the principles I have been screaming at ineducable ears for, well, forty years or so. _I would love to know if you've done a deep dive into how shareholders are the parasites upon society that society can no longer afford to support, but you have too much output to search through!._
as a 21 year old i can confidently say there is a potentially game changing amount of people in my generation who see things this way :) we were not born with the luxury of time on our side and that pressure is definitely mounting for us
Here's some good moving forward ideas for critically thinking people to possibly adopt: Abolish Wall St., Abolish Billionaires, Abolish The Supreme Court, Abolish Capitalism (at least start with unrelenting criticism of the systemic violence of the capitalist system)! We can advocate and build a better world if we know the truth, we know the viable alternatives and we have some basic common values. I think people do have enough common values to want to move forward, but living in capitalist society our entire lives means most people don't have the truth and knowledge about viable alternatives, like a Natural Law Resource Based Economy. At this stage, I believe education of the people to try and reach a critical mass of motivated economic revolutionists is key. I've heard reports of it only taking about 2.5% of a population for a movement to be successful in at least achieving some goals and getting mainstream attention that can push it forward into full-scale revolution. We can try to get there by open conversation.
@@dklee.01 I'm 67 now, and am definitely looking forward to young people like you gaining power. I see quite a lot of young folks on the other side of the spectrum too, so it looks like things will not change without a struggle.
I'm a 33 year old American, and I'll call myself some kind of Libertarian socialist. He does it better than me.. but I've been using a somewhat in depth explanation of how the transition from Feudal to capitalist systems really just resulted in a decentralization of the land-monopoly-based power of the Crown, reassigning it to whoever can make land private property first... And it seems to fall on deaf ears, which is why I am glad he uses the same example, but explains it with less anger, as well as less information for people to process..
Hell yes comrade. I'm a 26 year old Libertarian Marxist and JT may be from a different socialist tendency than us but he is incredibly on point with his analyses. I'm glad to see another libertarian socialist here.
I think the term should be amended to make it clearer. I'm sure the purists will object but it's such low hanging fruit. Why handicap yourself out of the gate.
It goes back even further than McCarthy. Teddy Roosevelt's mild, pro-capitalist progressivism during his term (1901-1908) was decried as socialist too. The intentional conflating of establishment centrist, pro-capitalist welfare programs with socialism has been a tradition dating back at least 120 years.
I never understood the argument that socialists are lazy when capitalists do nothing and live off the labour of others. Edit: Thanks for the 1k likes and comments. Good to see so many people are on board with this.
For real!! You see YT adds about "passive income" and it's like your calling socialists lazy??? CEOs make passive income ON TOP of what they make managing a company.
"socialism is utopian" people trying to explain how capitalism works when under a perfect free market that is objectively impossible, but nah, we're the utopians with impossible ideas, somehow
ikr? You can be a hard working laborer working for 10 years and one hefty capitalist with his dad's assets can manipulate them with a few smart clicks to generate as much income in let's say a month (buy low, sell high) to make as much as that laborer but without contributing anything useful to the society (just being a middlemen parasite)
I love this video, but i think its also important to acknowledge that this belief is a result of intentional capitalist propaganda, not just ignorance.
@@guy-sl3kr Because most people in this country don't understand What Socialism actually is especially the Marxist point of view, they don't view it as a science.
@@detailed_data4PSN as a person who was a capitalist, this is the reason I avoided the idea of socialism for a long time. Young teens, mostly leaning very left would many times turn me off the idea with insults thrown at capitalists and people on the right. I do nowadays understand where the criticisms are coming from but please try to understand the other side, communications is the key to change someone's mind, not insulting and name throwing. This video is a great example, instead of calling capitalists stupid, it just points out where the misunderstanding lies, it "communicates" why capitalists are wrong. Learn a thing or 2 from this video
I know someone who uses his facebook account to spew propaganda, one of the very last ones I saw before unfollowing him was "Socialists want everything from you except your job" and I explained to him that a socialist would already be employed and as such would not need his job. Well.... THAT pissed him off...
In my literature class, when we were doing Animal Farm, my teacher was explaining Socialism (badly) and she said that in Socialism, you can't own a toothbrush. I burst out laughing.
One Thing I feel is important to mention about the John Deere subject. You said something to the effect of "wanna fix your tractor? gotta pay me to unlock the software first" but they wouldn't even let farmers pay them for the repair software, it just wasn't available outside of their repair facilities. meaning if you relied on their equipment but were far away from their facilities and it broke, you were fucked
@@darrennew8211 I keep finding ya spewing nonesense. I have 2 brother and my father high end mechanics both brother can do full electronics repair of anything that moves rractors included as our cousin is big farmed that asks them ofther for help. Building new tractor with systems and everythong cost wooping 25000 dolars. Nowhere even remotely close to hundreds and were talking high end tractor with Ai.
@@darrennew8211 its same as medicine production cost cents, but they sell it for thousand. But I mean you are some one that got everything bought for him just becauze you were lucky so theres no way you would accept the fact that capitalism is just a global scam.
“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” ― Henry Ford
But they want my small Business and replace it with a large government run state enterprise and force me to work under some incompetent manager. No thank you. The real solution is to work for yourself, do not employ anyone.
@@EvonyNinj 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. That was hyperbole. But thank you for demonstrating you don't know the difference between private property and personal property. We aren't talking about your house or your car either. We're talking about land held by private investment corporations, We're talking about the places where you earn your living belonging to you and your coworkers. You absolute biscuit!
Thats because they didn't mention the amount of debt being used to fund it. And no increasing taxes doesn't fix that as it actually lowers revenue brought in by those taxes.
@@olstar18 well yeah, capital needs the government to keep functioning. Who comes to your house when you haven't paid your mortgage? It's not the company, it's the police.
This is definitely one of the most accurate and at the same time the most anti-capitalism and pro-socialism video I've seen in English language. From an American! And it's not disliked to abyss, on the contrary! I guess this shows how the things are in the world and especially in the USA. Keep up the good work! Greatings from the "Empire of evil" :)
@@KarlMarxFanClub People will always want to own what they work for. That sentiment will never go away. People aren't going to work for free. Even in Feudalism that didn't happen.
I've always maintained that you are one of the most important creators on this website, but this is the most enlightening and essential video you have ever made. Thank You.
I use to work in a shop, long time ago when I was young and even had hair, where we have a sign that went :"In this place there are two kind of people: the workers who know everything and the bosses". The bosses were the representative of the owners and when these owners tried to have this sign removed from their property we made sure that if the truth is so uncomfortable for them, we will stop working until they'll loose their profitable business. The sign was removed during the dictatorship and over time the owners lost their business due to the rapacity of the dictators. We,the workers (who knew how to run the business), ended up emigrating to more favorable countries with our knowledge and capacities. Amazing work as always amigo, keep they coming. Greetings from Toronto.
I get people don't want that 'doom and gloom' lingering over them, because it is an uncomfortable way to live, but reality is harsh. Society needs to stop pretending the problems aren't as big as they are, and some doom and gloom as good at getting people to do something. Great video.
This also made me think about political campaign fundraising and how corporations will always have a massive hand in our politics because of it. It's way easier to make one call and get $100,000 than reach out to every individual voter.
Silly you, socialism is when you take others people's money, as opposed to capitalism, where you keep all of your labor value and successful people are hard workers (sarcasm)
In the beginning when you were for real explaining that socialism doesn't mean taking all your stuff I actually thought it was a joke ... well until I realized that there are probably enough people out there thinking exactly that ^^
So many people go out of their way to not understand the difference between personal, private and public property. Several times I've been told that they don't care about "my" definition and then get angry about wanting to call their house private property (implying they're renting when they actually owned) instead of personal. The Dissonance is very real in some.
@@AJX-2 The only time that would have happened is if those houses were being used as means of production. That's why apartments were seized, but not from the people living in them, but by the people who owned them. No one was being evicted or made homeless.b
@Arturow Few in my generation can own one under capitalism. So I say let it burn so I can have secure shelter as I age and produce for a company that keeps the equivalent of 6x everyone's earnings on minimum wage earnings past profit. And yes we are in the process of unionising to get access to this vast wealth we produce to hopefully have a future.
@@danbeaumont5742 houses are unaffordable because of government regulations. Socialism let's you live in a broken rundown house that you pay rent for. I grew up in socialist Germany. We had nothing. Your generation will be the ones who will create the hard times we needed to create strong man. Strong man despise socialism
considering that a tiny minority of people control vast swathes of resources, only the CEOs, oil oligarches, and elite businessmen have anything to lose. This should immediately tell you who propagated this claim, and who the conservative hivemind are truly defending.
@@athenaclark2567 Simple math. I did the calculations and I got a little less 10 million years, but it's pretty close. You just take the amount of money Jeff Bezos has (144.4 billion dollars) divide that by 7.25 (the minimum wage). That's how you get the number of hours you'd have to work. Then you divide that number by 8, the number of hours in a work day, and then divide that by 260, the amount of work days in a year. Of course if you work for longer you would get 144.4 billion dollars sooner, but for it to make a significant difference the company you're working for would have to break a lot of labor laws, and probably wouldn't mind lowering the amount they pay you. Also if you wondering, if you worked every hour of every day, it would still take you 2 million years to reach Jeff Bezos's wealth.
Even as a socialist/social democrat type, the "its our toothbrush, comrade" joke is awesome. It highlights the absurdity of the rights claims about socialist and communist ideas. Private property is not personal property and this is a great introduction to that concept.
👍 I truly love when people point out that capitalism is truly cannibalistic when you reach its logical conclusion of maximal profit. Thank you so much for all your work!
Except that ignores the other part of capitalism. Competition. You may want to maximize profits however that leaves space for a competitor to come in with a better price.
@@olstar18 And yet time and time again, we all see the tendency of prices to constantly rise in capitalist economies. Unless you're gonna tell me that "real capitalism" hasn't been done yet
@@olstar18 Did you watch the video? We are talking about how maximizing profits involves suppressing wages and benefits to workers in the long run. You can claim that competition for labor should solve this, but that is not what we see in the real world. Instead what we see is that the need to suppress wages and benefits to maximize profits is something every company eventually has to resort to in order to continue maximizing profit. If they don't the competition will and eat them. So all the companies end up doing it even if they are not "colluding".
Dude, a million thanks for taking the time to explain this stuff in an objective and nonjudgmental way. Too often, it seems to me, people with political ideas treat others as if those others have different ideas merely because they are immoral or stupid. Thankya, thankya.
This might be your best video yet, completely clear, to the point, and you didn't use too many words that will scare the libs. Will definitely use this to deprogram
The Argument with Worker cant buy the things they produce is so true, im working for a Sauna Seller/Producer, and i will never be able to buy one myself. As a matter of facts i cant buy anything anymore, im neck deep in debt, and i can barely afford anything... Im from Austria btw so its not a US only thing...
I hate to be a buzzkill to this party here, but "nobody wants your toothbrush" sounds too much like "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor". The real world doesn't read your theory textbooks.
That comment about a minimum wage worker not being able to afford even a one-bedroom apartment really hit home for me personally. I make roughly double minimum wage, and, even if my hours weren't minimal like they currently are, I would still struggle to just barely pay rent, let alone the rest of my cost of living.
Thank you for an excellent explanation! Even though I consider myself socialist, I didn't have a good grasp of the distinction between private property and personal property. I watch you on Nebula, so just came over here to say thanks!
I liked the distinction he explained as well. I've come across many confused capitalist defenders and they use the fear-mongering line "socialists will take all our private property" and now I have a better understanding between private and personal property. Nobody wants your toothbrush. Private means of production is killer, slave-trade and dictatorial. Unhealthy and unsustainable. We need that to change if we hope to live in a sustainable, healthy, free society in the future.
Financing common goods, inflation and shit wages are a common thing in my country, Argentina. Back in 2016 my salary used to be around 1200 USD per month working as a stocker in a school supplier. Now I work in a tech company, and I get paid around 450 USD. I'm honestly thankful for my salary even though it's nowhere near to what I used to get paid, because I know a lot of people get paid way less and their work conditions are utter crap. Also, take note that for the coming World Cup, we can now purchase smart TVs and cellphones financing them in 30 times. But that's not all! Want to rent a place? It will cost you either half your salary or your whole salary in some cases. Want to build a house? You need to either be a millionaire or take loans. Want to finance building materials because if you pay in cash your monthly wage will get instantly erased? You can't at some places, because you get murdered by a gigantic interest rate for using your credit card, or they outright tell you that they're not accepting credit. Yeah, that's how bad it is over here.
Damn... at the last part about owning something and not needing to replace it in 3 years... It sounds too good to be true in our damned system, even though it was done in the past, and can DEFINITELY be done now.
@@dogestcreature I just checked with them. Their $3,000 hair dryer already lasts that long. They also said they prefer cocaine over better consumer products for the filthy rabble. Then they had me arrested for trespassing.
Calling it now. The year is 2030. Somebody is going to a for profit prison because they couldn't make the installments for the large pepperoni they ordered. Their forced labour is then sold by the prison to Dominos.
Just imagine the amount of unnecessary waste that would be avoided if our industries were geared for the best product rather than the bare minimum to keep the revolving door of currency moving.
what really sucks in canada is that self-employed people get charged more interest on mortgage and more for mortgage insurance. so if you try to be self-reliant, they don't trust you and punish you.
In a socialist system, all these rules would be discussed democratically. And they would be modifiable all the time, if the people express the desire to change it.
i am a young 18year old from the Uk and i have seen how capitalism has taken so much from my parents, the capitalists say if you work hard enough then you can make money but i've seen my parents work harder than anybody, and they still struggle to put food on the table. Their are many other kids like me, i know it. I hope that one day we can all be able to live in a truly Free and equal world
Man, watching how capitalism is step by step abolishing personal property in the technology area via software licenses and the like while listening to people saying that without capitalism you wouldn't be able to own stuff is just so ironic...
A potentially valid example-business wise. I own and operate my own small restaurant. Under socialism, as long as I am the one operating and generating value, it's my personal property. If I want to expand beyond what I can operate on my own, I'd have to either partner with someone that shares my aims with the business or 'hire' someone and fairly share with them the value they create. I'm honestly happy with either option.
Thank you for sharing from a business owners perspective. I think we all want fair wages. I dislike how he views that all workers must own a share of the business. It’s a crazy notion because the workers have no risk if the business fails besides losing work which they are free to quickly replace. Their labor only has excess value capacity because of the capital that you and your business provides. Would you agree?
@@dunerider88 I don't necessarily agree, I think you're missing the mark somewhat because you are still approaching the discussion from a purely capitalistic point of view. Take my business for example. I am at no risk of failure due to lack of labor, because I supply 100% of the labor required to maintain operation. If my busi3were to expand to a point where more labor is required, I absolutely believe that anyone I bring on would be entitled to the excess profits generated by their labor, as well as a say in the way those profits are generated. Because I want my business to be contributing to improving the quality of life of my community, rather than it being a tool to exploit the labor of others in order to enrich myself. If I were to make that expansion and was suddenly met with an inability to find the labor to support that level of business, I still would not be at risk because again, it is already designed to maintain on my labor alone, I'd simply scale it back to where it is now and continue on. This, from a business prospective is in my opinion the biggest difference between capitalism and socialism. Capitalism relies on one group of individuals extorting the labor of another group of individuals in order to enrich themselves, while (in a best case scenario) contributing something to raising the general standard of living. Socialism is the framework by which we all work together to direct our labor towards maintaining and raising the general standard of living.
@@dunerider88 I think I understand what you're saying. In an ideal situation, entrepreneurs would not need to take on debt to grow a business. Rather, businesses would only grow if there is a demand for them; if they provide something needed in society. So, no risk exists for anyone in the business with regards to debt. However, this is an idealized version of how a company could grow in a socialist market, and it likely won't exist for some time. In the transition between capitalism and socialism, companies will still need to take out loans to finance operations. Furthermore, there is legal culpability. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that many workers would not be okay if we told them that they could be held legally and financially responsible for the actions of the company as a whole. The entrepreneur definitely adds value by taking these responsibilities on and should be compensated for it. However, is that value really worth the degree which entrepreneurs are compensated? Is it really worth the entire equity of the firm? I don't believe it is. Furthermore, many workers may choose to take on that extra responsibility if they were compensated a little extra for it. I think a kind of modified limited liability company would work well with the socialist model. Essentially, you would have two tiers of workers: those who wish to collect a wage equal to the value generated by their labor alone, and those who wish to collect a wage equal to the value generated by their labor plus the value generated by their willingness to take on financial and legal risk. But it would be everyone's choice, and the differential in pay would not be as severe as we see it now. As it is now, entrepreneurs alone have the choice to reap the benefits of taking on risk, and they don't seem too keen to let other people in on it. Mustn't be all that bad if you ask me.
"It's my personal property" In other words, you're now a rich person and you'll have your vast amounts of wealth redistributed to people who need it more. There's not a single reason a business owner should support Socialism when all Socialism would do is send someone from the government into your restaurant to happily inform you that you now don't own the business anymore and that the government does.
I bet more than half of the pro-Capitalism people out there running Windows, Mac and Android systems think they "own" their computers/phones/tablets. 🤣
Wait. Who takes the risk of starting the company? I think the objection comes from spending what little money you have to start something (your dream) only for others to pull it from your control, without risking anything.
You're doing an amazing job with explaining these basic but very important topics in a very understable way. I think these videos are great for all liberals or entry-level socialists.
I told my husband, “socialism means no toothbrush!” He looked at me bewildered and asks, “why?!” LoL totally thought I was serious and then we watched this video
The crisis of capitalism is very sharp here in the Philippines, and it's only going to get worse. The revolution currently is at the strategic defensive and it might reach the strategic stalemate this decade. You've been doing a lot of videos on popular arguments for a more wide audience, but I hope you make videos on revolution soon.
Eventually, a gorbachev will come along and sell us all out if we rely on governments for socialism. Organize worker cooperatives if you at all have the resources. Good luck
Software engineers tend to code for the platform they have at hand. They also tend to have the newer and more performant tech than everybody else. Thus as the software gains more functionality, it needs more and more computing power. Every new version runs slower and slower. I have simplified a little bit, but that's the gist of it. I am a software engineer.
@@janhamaldvorak560 This was kind of what I was wondering about. While I generally agree with Second Thought, I feel he might be mistaken on this one. I very much believe in planned obsolescence. But I'm not sure I believe tech corporations are actively sabotaging their own products so we have to buy more. Imagine the class action lawsuit that would ensue if it were ever found out. The PR nightmare. It just doesn't seem worth it.
12:43 That's not the only example. The best electric kitchen mixer/blender I've ever used was made in GDR more than 50 years ago. It still works better than most modern ones and has even more useful features than similar modern ones have. The quality of items produced under socialism would vary depending on a great number of reasons and factors. Some of those products were horrible but some things were awesome and were really made to last. User manuals for Soviet-made electronic devices would usually include a circuit diagram to make it easier to repair it by yourself.
Brb, going over to nebula to start watching the series on fascism. We just elected a neofascist party in italy and every passing day I'm amazed at the fact that nobody bats an eye to the resurgence of fascism everywhere
How is she a Neo fascist though? I agree she is on the right but facisim is very left wing. Economically fascists work together to build goods for the state. How is that different than communism? While I agree socially fascists are far right how I she? I agree with a lot of things she’s saying with abortion and with the migrant crisis. I don’t think I’m a fascist for that. I mean I don’t hate Arabs but illegally entering a country and getting free stuff because of it makes no sense to me. If you want to get in through legal means than that’s great but you shouldn’t just be able to waltz it at get free stuff. Knowing this is a socialist channel i will probably get hate for this but if you want to debate me than go ahead.
You bring up right to repair, now consider what buying an EV commits you to as far as service options. There are pretty much NO user-serviceable parts inside. If you fall behind on payments, theoretically the bank can brick your car so you can't get to work to pay for it. They could even command it to drive itself to a repo collection center. If you don't think that's something that's likely to happen in the near future, then you haven't been paying attention.
Socialism would not allow that. Democratic discussions would almost certainly not lead to that, and the people who dare do this would be punished, at the very least fired. In socialism, people could very reasonably decide that if you can't pay your monthly installment, you just reduce the amount to an affordable level. Or put it on pause to let you breathe. Rules are set democratically in socialism.
Never before have I hit the bell button so shortly after discovering a channel. What a good voice on the net! Thanks for the content, looking forward to plow it! Best wishes Joakim out of Stockholm
I enjoy your videos, and agree with many of your points across so many of them, including this one. I am also a huge fan of fair labor, social programs, equitable pay, etc. I say that to clarify I am absolutely not in support of unfettered capitalism, but so have some concerns regarding full fledged socialism. I am hoping you can explain how the transition from “private” business or non-existent business, to social business might work. As a couple of examples, unfarmed land to worker owned farm, or tech startup to worker owned firm. Farms may be a simpler scenario as a group of people could come together to front the capital for necessary supplies and equipment. With technology however, it could be a very small group that come up with an idea, implement it and begin to sell it. Which could come at great expense and risk to the founder. I absolutely agree those who join and contribute to the success should be compensated according to their contributions, but am wondering how we handle incentive to take on the risk to start up the idea in the first place, unless the potential reward offsets the front loaded risk. More concisely, how could we foster innovative people to create startups to benefit society, but slow them/socialize them before they become parasites like Amazon?
I have your same line of thinking. Agree with everything he’s saying, but don’t understand how we could get there or thrive there. Not only does it sound a bit unjust to take a business someone spent their life building and just give it to their employees. What would motivate anyone to start a new business under socialism? The huge corporations and businesses we have that are capable of feeding/providing for everyone, are only there because highly motivated mostly wealthy individuals built/funded/organized them. Even if they were only motivated by profit.. they were still motivated. Why would anyone want to do the same under socialism even they’re not allowed to own or profit from it?
I know you probably won’t see this, but I want to say thank you. You saved me from becoming an Andrew tate fan. I’m forever in your debt for that. In all seriousness though, I’m really happy that you do this stuff. You’ve inspired so many people to fight for a better world, and in my opinion, there’s no better thing. Dont worry about talking to the occasional fascists that have commented on this video. We down can do that for you. Thank you. Keep up the good work man. It’s amazing what you’re doing. :)
@@lahaza6515 nope, not really. There is a clear definition and a lot of right wing people fit the definition of fascists. You’re right when it comes to people calling others N@sis tho, cuz there’s a pretty significant difference between the way the two ideologies work. For example, any sort of extreme nationalism is by definition, fascism. Something like anti-immigration policy, whilst not inherently fascist, is a strong indicator of such thinking.
another point to make it that socialism can encourage facism by centralization or discourage innovation but businesses under socialism can invest in the real problems and needs of the people not artificially generating needs and wants profit is still there if your business is actually needed and demanded by the people and it also encourage others to seek out the same for themselves.capitalism does favour entrepreneur but it doesn't favor the initial aspiration for the business in the long run
Also- I wish this was in polish (or well, that I could translate it quickly and as concisely) as I would really want to bring it to wards my parents, as this is something that annoys me that they don't understand or want to understand. They are from relatively times where communism was loosing it's grip over Poland- so in their mind (at least how I see it) they see capitalist system as "the better option" as they seen "socialism fail". It excessively angers me that I personaly can't explain it to them on a level where they understand from where I come from and what I hope for the future (and why current world angers me so much)
Socialism just sounds like common sense. Why should a few people benefit from exploiting everyone else's labour? Why can't workers control their working conditions?
I used to work at an Ingles grocery store as an overnight stocker; the pay was hot ass, but I really liked my supervisor there. I didn’t really consider why that was the case at that time, but now I know: it was because he didn’t just sit at a desk supervising. While I was stocking the international aisle (no one else wanted that aisle but I was pretty good at it), he was right down there with us, stocking the baking aisle.
This is one of your most convincing videos so far. It would be interesting to hear the arguments from the other side and see who wins in a fair debate.
What I've noticed over social media is very few, if any, capitalist defenders debate in situations where they are presented with irrefutable evidence that counter their claims about any sort of virtues or value of capitalism. There was a great critique video that TZM guy Peter Joseph did of the debate about Socialism vs Capitalism with Jordan Peterson debating on the side of Capitalism, it was a very well done critique and Jordan would be free to try and refute anything that Peter said, but he would find it impossible to do within logic and reason. I'm all for open debate, but it's also good to know when solid evidence and truth prevails and you are on the side that understands it. With that knowledge, we have more power and are less likely to be mislead down a dark path.
@@coolioso808 I think that peope are not interested in a debate with somebody who says "irrefutable evidence" or "the fall of capitalism is just over the corner". It's simple wishful thinking, magical even. You want it to be true so much, that you dim your view of reality. Why would anyone be interested in having a conversation with that?
@@MankindDiary Do you not accept that somethings are facts that any social discussion should anchor around or else the discussion is futile anyway. Like having a discussion about environmental sustainability and somebody doesn't accept that greenhouse gasses emitting into the atmosphere warms the planet and causes ill effects on biodiversity and life support systems. You can't debate with an idiot. I'm not calling you one, but what I am saying is some things have enough evidence to the point where they are accepted as facts. Like gravity, if you want to say the jury is not out on gravity, go ahead, find new evidence that disproves gravity, but it's a lot smarter to just accept that the evidence for gravity is irrefutable and go on to other discussions. At any point, if someone wants to provide evidence to the contrary of the points I'm making, go right ahead. When I'm talking to people who defend capitalism, they often fall for propaganda talking points that are not based in facts, evidence and reality, so when they are presented with compelling arguments to the contrary of their world view, instead of accepting it and taking the discussion to the next level, they dig their heels in or don't respond at all. That's a shame for the state of critical thinking. I don't know what evidence you have to not believe capitalism is falling and failing. But maybe you want to explain how 8 men with more wealth than the bottom 2.5 billion people is healthy, sustainable and just? Because that's the state of a market capitalist world right now (actually probably worse than the stat I said because it was from a few years ago). I would suggest a dimmer view of reality is to think capitalism is sustainable and healthy and that people must be coerced and exploited into different labour roles for the profit of a small group of owners and that humans could not ever organize in a better, more efficient way. If that isn't your position, feel free to explain. Don't shy away from a conversation because it might involve some facts and agreed upon definitions.
@@eymed2023 Nobody here said that capitalism is going to get better. That's yet another reason people won't talk with you - instead of arguing with them, you are arguing with their depiction that exists only in your head.
Some people have difficulty grasping the nature of what "Private Property" means, let alone distinguishing it from personal property. To Socialists, though, this distinction is second-nature, to the point of being able to vizualize and call attention to it. In many ways, "Private" and "Personal" property are opposites. "Personal" is good. It allows to own the things you want. "Private" is bad. It makes it harder for you to own wealth.
Anti-socialists say that in a socialist economy, a vice president who does no work and complains about not being able to get a reservation at Dorsia would get paid the same hundred million dollar salary, stock options, and golden parachute as a vice president who works for 14 hours per day to cook the books and run the business into the ground. Everyone knows this would never happen under capitalism, would it?
Not every large business owner fits the caricature of the do nothing & "complain about reservation." This is the high school version of CEOs. Granted there are dirtbag, billionaires out there, but they are few compared to the CEOs who work 80 hour weeks to get where they want to go.
My colleague is a 60+ year old Cuban immigrant. Came to Australia as a 13yo. He thinks because he’s Cuban that he has a better insight into Socialism than anyone else (He’s pro-capitalism). He tried to tell me that in Cuba, if you have more cutlery and crockery than what you need for how many people are in your house, and the bloke down the street has none, they come and make you give your spares to him. So then if you have people over you don’t have enough. 🤦♂️ I don’t bother discussing politics with him anymore.
@@themonsterwithin4000 It still isn’t socialism, which protects the personal property of the individual. Under actual socialism, the man down the road wouldn’t be living without basic utilities in the first place.
I would call it humanity. one must first meet the basic needs of all, including the old and the sick, before the single healthy worker can have more. it's not about everyone having exactly the same personal possessions. nevertheless it must have been hard in cuba. You can't save for education or self-employment when too many sick people around you need your savings to survive. this can lead to hopelessness and illnesses such as alcoholism in the workers own family. socialism in a rich country where there is enough for everyone is clearly different.
I liked the way this video explained things and thought is sounded really great. But then I started looking into the references given and really thinking about it. You gave an example of a farm and said that the workers were the ones adding value, but implied that the people doing labor on the farm were the only ones contributing value. A farm (or any business) is only one piece of a much larger puzzle. The individual laborers on that farm are not the ones who do the market research to determine what to grow, negotiate customers to sell that product to and a what price, negotiate the transportation to get the product to those customers, negotiate with suppliers to get resources to plant the crops and feed the animals, handle the payments and receipts from those transactions and distribute the wages to the workers. A democratically elected leader of farm would not necessarily be able to keep things working smoothly with other businesses. I agree that monopolistic behavior among capitalists is raising the cost of living and not giving the workers a living wage to keep up with it. They will wind up killing off their market for the goods they produce or inciting criminal behavior to compensate for the shortage. I do not see from your examples that the socialist approach as described would fix this.
"A democratically elected leader of farm would not necessarily be able to keep things working smoothly with other businesses." You correctly identified a problem of worker cooperatives but as they operate under capitalist society. It's not really easy explaining all these nuances and theoretical details in a 17 min vid, let alone a RUclips comment, but I can refer to you to the the video series Socialism 101 by Marxist Paul and Fundamentals of Marx by The Marxist Project for further info. Here's also a reading list if you're interested: How the World Works: The Story of Human Labor from Prehistory to the Modern Day by Paul Cockshott People's Republic of Walmart: How the World's Biggest Corporation Are Laying the Foundation for Socialism by Leigh Phillips & Michal Rozworski
Your arguments are reasonable, right until you try to bring the soviet stuff into play. Maybe it wasn't the intention, but implying that the soviet model was better, or indeed that it had anything to do with socialism is just flat out wrong. It was basically a state owned capitalist system with similar exploitation and policing (as a way of micro management).
I'm starting to get a better idea on what Socialism is. Thanks! I still have lots of questions so I'll watch more of your videos and see if they get answered.
The fact that no one owns hardly anything nowadays and they still think they’re the ones that would be targeted in a “redistribution of property” 😆😆
I mean, it's a solid scare-tactic: the less people have, the more protective they're likely to be of whatever they _do_ have, and so the harder they'll fight against anyone they've been convinced are trying to take it away.
I've yet to meet a single socialist who has any suggestion at all for real world economic policy that isn't "Let's just raise taxes" followed by a bunch of delusions about how the taxes will only magically hit the rich people who don't pay fucking taxes.
@@SolarShado Ye while in reality socialist are trying to give them stuff. What we want is that every one rewarded equaly for hard work and punished for harming others with greed.
@@kestutisvedegys7820 Sounds good, but what if I work harder than you?
We rent even our clothes and furniture nowadays…
Yes. My political project as a communist is the expropriation of all toothbrushes.
Jokes on you. I don't use what is commonly known as a toothbrush.
Not my paw patrol™ toothbrush!!
I use then to comb my Eyebrows 🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸
my political project as a socialist is to expropriate everyones mom.
to seize the means of reproduction.
@@Praisethesunson Cringe toothbrush detected, removal protocol active
One thing I'd mention is that America's decline in consumer goods quality was a slow one. I'm 39, and my mom was 39 years older than me so she graduated in 1958 (she skipped 2 grades, so she graduated at 16). Although she passed away 4 years ago, I still have all her working electronic beauty products like those giant chrome massagers and she got her first hair dryer in 1954, and it still works.
Capitalism figured out how to export cheap labor and make crap products that die in less than a decade now.
I'm 20 and there are multiple electronics/products in our household that work perfectly fine and are older than me. New stuff really is shittier, even I noticed that. I remember being in 6th grade (~11y old) , getting my first smartphone (an LG Optimus Black, I love that thing). Back then you could just pop off the plastic on the back of the phone, switch the battery if needed and you'd have a perfectly working phone. Nowadays, take the IPhone 13 for example. God forbid that thing fails because they've made it a royal pain in the ass to take it apart, and the thing won't even work if you replaced the damaged parts with perfectly working, original IPhone 13 parts. You have to take it to them, just so they can squeeze as much money out of you as possible, god forbid you fix anything yourself. And that's just the example with phones, just the tip of the iceberg.
I'm pretty sure capitalism is a big reason why minimalism is getting so popular in recent years. We have less money to spend, and stuff doesn't last. Buy less, and if you need something rarely, it is better to rent/borrow as it wont last long, and it would take up more space in our homes that are getting smaller as we need to cut living expenses.
My car (1960 Chevy Corvair) is sixty-two years old and still works (until I took the gas tank out). The only parts I've had to replace so far are the common consumable ones and some things damaged long before I had it. This car was a farm car in North Dakota for years and somehow has only surface rust. The drivetrain is all analog and easy to work on. I couldn't imagine working on a car made today. Everything is proprietary and overengineered to the point that it is not serviceable by even a good mechanic.
"Capitalism figured out how to export cheap labor and make crap products"
Capitalism invented those products, created a market for those products, and mass produced those products. Those products took decades to appear in socialist countries, and always as cheap knockoffs that died in weeks.
If people actually want products that last longer, capitalism will make it. But people don't want those things, they rather buy it cheap and replace it. Nothing to do with capitalism; without capitalism those products either wouldn't have been created, or wouldn't be mass-affordable.
@@humankirk9196 yet in Cuba, most people who drive do it in American cars from the 50s. And Russians are driving USSR made cars from back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. A demand for goods produces products, it doesn't matter if it's in Venezuela, Cuba, the US, or 1930s Germany.
“People who think they're free in this world just haven't come to the end of their leash yet.”
― Michael Parenti
Great quote! I haven't heard that one before, it is very astute.
Also his quote on fascism is pretty important. Most people in Nazi Germany didn't care they were living under fascism and probably benefitted from it anyway. If you weren't Jewish, queer, disabled, or a socialist, there wasn't really any reason to not be a proud Nazi. And that ultimately is the problem. Any attempt to convince those who benefit from oppression that they don't will fall on deaf ears.
@@ashkitt7719 Perspective is a bitch that way.
Modern American MAGA mentality can be boiled down to- "got mine, fuck you."
100%
@@loturzelrestaurant I look at systems as what works and what doesn't work, what makes sense and what doesn't make sense. Apparently, I have more time to think about common sense than most people because I can see that we need to get off the monetary-market system. That's the crux of the problem because money, these days, is so coercive and toxic to people's health, it isn't sustainable. Now, we could use socialist policies to get to a place where we don't need money and markets. Via a UBI or Guaranteed Livable Income in Care Jobs that takes the power away from the capitalists and puts it in our collective hands for more autonomy.
It probably takes 50 years to seen transition take place. But what we do now in the next 5, 10, 15 years can make a big difference, you know?
Sad that this has to be explained - socialist goals have been purposely obfuscated and is going to take a lot of agitation and education to unlearn. JT - if you are reading this comment, I hope you take this video idea into consideration: the cause of crime, particularly elevated crime levels in cities. A lot of people I know have a misguided understanding of crime and its roots and I think this would be a very educational video for most people.
Amazing idea for a video, crime is one of the most common pro-police argument.
Elevated crime directly related to elevated poverty .
CityNerd did a great video a couple weeks ago debunking the urban vs. rural crime myth. Not quite what you're asking for but certainly an interesting video.
Very good
This!! A lot of people will always be against gun control, living in cities, freeing certain incarcerated populations or other positive changes to the way we live because of "crime," without considering the circumstances that leads people to crime. An in-depth explanation would be greatly appreciated.
Speaking as a fifty four year old English Anarchist, may I just say that your videos are a source of hope for me. It is deeply encouraging to see a young American understanding and educating, in an un-patronising way, many of the principles I have been screaming at ineducable ears for, well, forty years or so. _I would love to know if you've done a deep dive into how shareholders are the parasites upon society that society can no longer afford to support, but you have too much output to search through!._
as a 21 year old i can confidently say there is a potentially game changing amount of people in my generation who see things this way :) we were not born with the luxury of time on our side and that pressure is definitely mounting for us
Here's some good moving forward ideas for critically thinking people to possibly adopt: Abolish Wall St., Abolish Billionaires, Abolish The Supreme Court, Abolish Capitalism (at least start with unrelenting criticism of the systemic violence of the capitalist system)!
We can advocate and build a better world if we know the truth, we know the viable alternatives and we have some basic common values. I think people do have enough common values to want to move forward, but living in capitalist society our entire lives means most people don't have the truth and knowledge about viable alternatives, like a Natural Law Resource Based Economy.
At this stage, I believe education of the people to try and reach a critical mass of motivated economic revolutionists is key. I've heard reports of it only taking about 2.5% of a population for a movement to be successful in at least achieving some goals and getting mainstream attention that can push it forward into full-scale revolution. We can try to get there by open conversation.
@@dklee.01 I'm 67 now, and am definitely looking forward to young people like you gaining power. I see quite a lot of young folks on the other side of the spectrum too, so it looks like things will not change without a struggle.
I'm a 33 year old American, and I'll call myself some kind of Libertarian socialist. He does it better than me.. but I've been using a somewhat in depth explanation of how the transition from Feudal to capitalist systems really just resulted in a decentralization of the land-monopoly-based power of the Crown, reassigning it to whoever can make land private property first... And it seems to fall on deaf ears, which is why I am glad he uses the same example, but explains it with less anger, as well as less information for people to process..
Hell yes comrade. I'm a 26 year old Libertarian Marxist and JT may be from a different socialist tendency than us but he is incredibly on point with his analyses. I'm glad to see another libertarian socialist here.
On top of it being confusion over what's private property vs personal property, McCarthy was also there to heavily exacerbate that misconception.
I think the term should be amended to make it clearer. I'm sure the purists will object but it's such low hanging fruit. Why handicap yourself out of the gate.
@@IshtarNike I agree with you- especially since private property has an already established and more widely accepted definition in the US
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It goes back even further than McCarthy. Teddy Roosevelt's mild, pro-capitalist progressivism during his term (1901-1908) was decried as socialist too. The intentional conflating of establishment centrist, pro-capitalist welfare programs with socialism has been a tradition dating back at least 120 years.
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I never understood the argument that socialists are lazy when capitalists do nothing and live off the labour of others.
Edit: Thanks for the 1k likes and comments. Good to see so many people are on board with this.
It’s the capitalist lazy argument. Kind of ironic.
For real!! You see YT adds about "passive income" and it's like your calling socialists lazy??? CEOs make passive income ON TOP of what they make managing a company.
Psychological projection.
"socialism is utopian" people trying to explain how capitalism works when under a perfect free market that is objectively impossible,
but nah, we're the utopians with impossible ideas, somehow
ikr? You can be a hard working laborer working for 10 years and one hefty capitalist with his dad's assets can manipulate them with a few smart clicks to generate as much income in let's say a month (buy low, sell high) to make as much as that laborer but without contributing anything useful to the society (just being a middlemen parasite)
Imagine karl marx comes back from the dead and is like “nah fams i totally wanted your toothbrushes”
I love this video, but i think its also important to acknowledge that this belief is a result of intentional capitalist propaganda, not just ignorance.
But you would think people would self educate themselves
@@detailed_data4PSN Why would people educate themselves on a topic they think they already know?
@@guy-sl3kr Because most people in this country don't understand What Socialism actually is especially the Marxist point of view, they don't view it as a science.
@@detailed_data4PSN oh, to believe things like that
@@detailed_data4PSN as a person who was a capitalist, this is the reason I avoided the idea of socialism for a long time. Young teens, mostly leaning very left would many times turn me off the idea with insults thrown at capitalists and people on the right.
I do nowadays understand where the criticisms are coming from but please try to understand the other side, communications is the key to change someone's mind, not insulting and name throwing.
This video is a great example, instead of calling capitalists stupid, it just points out where the misunderstanding lies, it "communicates" why capitalists are wrong. Learn a thing or 2 from this video
I know someone who uses his facebook account to spew propaganda, one of the very last ones I saw before unfollowing him was "Socialists want everything from you except your job" and I explained to him that a socialist would already be employed and as such would not need his job. Well.... THAT pissed him off...
They're stupid! People told them this and they never bothered to study it themselves and are impervious to facts. It's a shamed and we're all doomed.
Yet you’re Facebook a capitalist company the hypocrisy
Bold of you to assume the modern Socialist actually works for a living
In my literature class, when we were doing Animal Farm, my teacher was explaining Socialism (badly) and she said that in Socialism, you can't own a toothbrush. I burst out laughing.
Oh noooooooo 😭 lol
You can’t own means of production. The problem is I can think of at least a couple of ways you can use a toothbrush as a mean of production.
Best part: the book is written by a socialist.
Oh for crying out loud.
@@arnaubasulto4448 so, you don't understand what is mean of production
One Thing I feel is important to mention about the John Deere subject. You said something to the effect of "wanna fix your tractor? gotta pay me to unlock the software first" but they wouldn't even let farmers pay them for the repair software, it just wasn't available outside of their repair facilities. meaning if you relied on their equipment but were far away from their facilities and it broke, you were fucked
@@darrennew8211 I keep finding ya spewing nonesense. I have 2 brother and my father high end mechanics both brother can do full electronics repair of anything that moves rractors included as our cousin is big farmed that asks them ofther for help. Building new tractor with systems and everythong cost wooping 25000 dolars. Nowhere even remotely close to hundreds and were talking high end tractor with Ai.
*Capitalist cackling in corner*
@@darrennew8211
Ok, I report you for misinformation
@@darrennew8211 its same as medicine production cost cents, but they sell it for thousand. But I mean you are some one that got everything bought for him just becauze you were lucky so theres no way you would accept the fact that capitalism is just a global scam.
Thanks God John Deere is by far not the only tractor-selling bussiness.
“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” ― Henry Ford
The very same reason we are put in a rigged school system that conditions us to be the good worker bees.. they want us stupid and busy …
I really can't believe how often we have to explain that nobody wants their grandma's toothbrush.
Remember that under socialism u will have to share your toothbrush with shtalin
But I want grandma's toothbrush and toothpaste :(
But they want my small Business and replace it with a large government run state enterprise and force me to work under some incompetent manager. No thank you.
The real solution is to work for yourself, do not employ anyone.
it's hard to believe that the value of most of our stuff is the equivalence of a toothbrushs value to the people who's stuff would be taken...lol
@@EvonyNinj 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. That was hyperbole. But thank you for demonstrating you don't know the difference between private property and personal property.
We aren't talking about your house or your car either. We're talking about land held by private investment corporations, We're talking about the places where you earn your living belonging to you and your coworkers.
You absolute biscuit!
My teacher actually told me in the Soviet Union you had to share your toothbrush with all the people. I specifically asked.
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Did you laugh in their face?
@@IshtarNike No, I was 12 and was totally shocked about the communists (that was 1988 or so).
I would have just started laughing uncontrollably
Same
Great video, actually having socialism explained has changed my view on it after always being told “oh it’s great but just not possible”
True, We love our phones too much to care about a how bad/good the country is 🤣😂🤣
''Speaks in American'
Thats because they didn't mention the amount of debt being used to fund it. And no increasing taxes doesn't fix that as it actually lowers revenue brought in by those taxes.
@@olstar18 because Trillions in the military and in bail-outs are better
@@olstar18 well yeah, capital needs the government to keep functioning. Who comes to your house when you haven't paid your mortgage? It's not the company, it's the police.
This is definitely one of the most accurate and at the same time the most anti-capitalism and pro-socialism video I've seen in English language. From an American! And it's not disliked to abyss, on the contrary! I guess this shows how the things are in the world and especially in the USA. Keep up the good work! Greatings from the "Empire of evil" :)
America is going to become syndicalist by 2030. 40% of Americans are socialist, out of those, 70% are anarchists.
Why would you call your own country that?
"Empire of Evil"
You don't sound like you're from the United States
You didn’t answer why are you calling your own mother land an empire of evil?
hello from america. things are looking up, but there are still lots of jocks and meatheads and they're still the ones in power.
This channel and CCK Philosophy have really made Socialism understandable and digestible to the masses!!! Keep up the great work Comrade!!!
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It’s the future. Just like feudalism went away, capitalism will too go away too.
Capitalism is the ultimate pyramid scheme
@@KarlMarxFanClub People will always want to own what they work for. That sentiment will never go away.
People aren't going to work for free. Even in Feudalism that didn't happen.
@@MrDIRTDIVER212 the queens and kings laighed too before chopchop came knocking.
“Communism is when no toothbrush!!!” bruh I cannot 😭
I hate being accused of that I'm lazy, only because I'm for a fair wage and against a dictatorship in companies
I hate those damn dictatorships that I can leave anytime I want!
Seriously, read a book.
@@Renaissanceselfimprovement Leave and starve, yeah, nice choice
@@Pascal_Mueller Get another job?
I've always maintained that you are one of the most important creators on this website, but this is the most enlightening and essential video you have ever made. Thank You.
He really is up there, so important in the way he delivers this information
No, you just need to leave your cult of entitlement.
I use to work in a shop, long time ago when I was young and even had hair, where we have a sign that went :"In this place there are two kind of people: the workers who know everything and the bosses".
The bosses were the representative of the owners and when these owners tried to have this sign removed from their property we made sure that if the truth is so uncomfortable for them, we will stop working until they'll loose their profitable business.
The sign was removed during the dictatorship and over time the owners lost their business due to the rapacity of the dictators.
We,the workers (who knew how to run the business), ended up emigrating to more favorable countries with our knowledge and capacities.
Amazing work as always amigo, keep they coming.
Greetings from Toronto.
I get people don't want that 'doom and gloom' lingering over them, because it is an uncomfortable way to live, but reality is harsh. Society needs to stop pretending the problems aren't as big as they are, and some doom and gloom as good at getting people to do something.
Great video.
Doomerism is cringe tho. Revolutionary optimism is what we need
This also made me think about political campaign fundraising and how corporations will always have a massive hand in our politics because of it.
It's way easier to make one call and get $100,000 than reach out to every individual voter.
Silly you, socialism is when you take others people's money, as opposed to capitalism, where you keep all of your labor value and successful people are hard workers (sarcasm)
I guarantee you aren't successful
In the beginning when you were for real explaining that socialism doesn't mean taking all your stuff I actually thought it was a joke ... well until I realized that there are probably enough people out there thinking exactly that ^^
Billionaires pay millionaires to tell me that Socialism means taking away my daily triple bacon Machamburgers.
after decades of government propaganda on everything that is social because of the Soviets
@@Praisethesunson Except you also have billionaires paying millionaires to tell you the opposite.
@@olstar18 where? where are the mainstream socialist news outlets funded by billionaires?
@@olstar18 just stop fella. U aren’t very good at this
So many people go out of their way to not understand the difference between personal, private and public property. Several times I've been told that they don't care about "my" definition and then get angry about wanting to call their house private property (implying they're renting when they actually owned) instead of personal. The Dissonance is very real in some.
Tbf the overwhelming majority of those houses were taken from landlords who exploited their tenants and prevented people from owning their own homes
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The only time that would have happened is if those houses were being used as means of production. That's why apartments were seized, but not from the people living in them, but by the people who owned them.
No one was being evicted or made homeless.b
Are or are you not allowed to own a house in socialism?
@Arturow Few in my generation can own one under capitalism. So I say let it burn so I can have secure shelter as I age and produce for a company that keeps the equivalent of 6x everyone's earnings on minimum wage earnings past profit. And yes we are in the process of unionising to get access to this vast wealth we produce to hopefully have a future.
@@danbeaumont5742 houses are unaffordable because of government regulations. Socialism let's you live in a broken rundown house that you pay rent for. I grew up in socialist Germany. We had nothing. Your generation will be the ones who will create the hard times we needed to create strong man. Strong man despise socialism
Every video of yours is a treasure. Thank you, Second Thought.
considering that a tiny minority of people control vast swathes of resources, only the CEOs, oil oligarches, and elite businessmen have anything to lose. This should immediately tell you who propagated this claim, and who the conservative hivemind are truly defending.
The 4 richest men own more than the poorest 4 billion people combined.
@Zaydan Naufal Well I better pull my bootstraps and get that sigma mindset.
@@Praisethesunson Actually? I’m curious where you got that statistic because it sounds so wack
@@athenaclark2567 Simple math. I did the calculations and I got a little less 10 million years, but it's pretty close. You just take the amount of money Jeff Bezos has (144.4 billion dollars) divide that by 7.25 (the minimum wage). That's how you get the number of hours you'd have to work. Then you divide that number by 8, the number of hours in a work day, and then divide that by 260, the amount of work days in a year. Of course if you work for longer you would get 144.4 billion dollars sooner, but for it to make a significant difference the company you're working for would have to break a lot of labor laws, and probably wouldn't mind lowering the amount they pay you. Also if you wondering, if you worked every hour of every day, it would still take you 2 million years to reach Jeff Bezos's wealth.
@@willowberecki I think you replied to the wrong person haha
Even as a socialist/social democrat type, the "its our toothbrush, comrade" joke is awesome. It highlights the absurdity of the rights claims about socialist and communist ideas. Private property is not personal property and this is a great introduction to that concept.
👍 I truly love when people point out that capitalism is truly cannibalistic when you reach its logical conclusion of maximal profit. Thank you so much for all your work!
Except that ignores the other part of capitalism. Competition. You may want to maximize profits however that leaves space for a competitor to come in with a better price.
@@olstar18 And yet time and time again, we all see the tendency of prices to constantly rise in capitalist economies. Unless you're gonna tell me that "real capitalism" hasn't been done yet
@@olstar18 capitalism is dying comrade. Accept it. It’s a trash system
@@olstar18 Did you watch the video? We are talking about how maximizing profits involves suppressing wages and benefits to workers in the long run. You can claim that competition for labor should solve this, but that is not what we see in the real world. Instead what we see is that the need to suppress wages and benefits to maximize profits is something every company eventually has to resort to in order to continue maximizing profit. If they don't the competition will and eat them. So all the companies end up doing it even if they are not "colluding".
@@guy-sl3kr Thats called inflation. If my expenses go up because everything is more expensive am I required to lose money.
As a person who isn't a socialist, I do want to take your stuff
You want to… Literally steel it?
@@tyruskarmesin5418 lmao
@Pushiswin deal
@CDNU our stainless steel
Dude, a million thanks for taking the time to explain this stuff in an objective and nonjudgmental way. Too often, it seems to me, people with political ideas treat others as if those others have different ideas merely because they are immoral or stupid. Thankya, thankya.
This might be your best video yet, completely clear, to the point, and you didn't use too many words that will scare the libs. Will definitely use this to deprogram
sneaky bastard 😏
Deprogram?
When McCarthyists describe Capitalism, they describe Capitalism in fantasy.
When McCarthyists describe Socialism, they describe Capitalism in reality.
The Argument with Worker cant buy the things they produce is so true, im working for a Sauna Seller/Producer, and i will never be able to buy one myself. As a matter of facts i cant buy anything anymore, im neck deep in debt, and i can barely afford anything... Im from Austria btw so its not a US only thing...
And I assume there's nothing wrong you did with your personal finances? It's just bad universe that picks on you?
I hate to be a buzzkill to this party here, but "nobody wants your toothbrush" sounds too much like "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor". The real world doesn't read your theory textbooks.
That comment about a minimum wage worker not being able to afford even a one-bedroom apartment really hit home for me personally. I make roughly double minimum wage, and, even if my hours weren't minimal like they currently are, I would still struggle to just barely pay rent, let alone the rest of my cost of living.
Thank you for an excellent explanation! Even though I consider myself socialist, I didn't have a good grasp of the distinction between private property and personal property. I watch you on Nebula, so just came over here to say thanks!
yo, is nebula available for 10$/month? cause that shit's too expensive for me
I liked the distinction he explained as well. I've come across many confused capitalist defenders and they use the fear-mongering line "socialists will take all our private property" and now I have a better understanding between private and personal property.
Nobody wants your toothbrush. Private means of production is killer, slave-trade and dictatorial. Unhealthy and unsustainable. We need that to change if we hope to live in a sustainable, healthy, free society in the future.
@@andreimoga7813 find a promo on RUclips for curiosity stream with nebula, I pay $20/year for both
@@andreimoga7813 I used the Curiosity Stream bundle as well, and paid $15 for a year. But even the regular rate is much less than $10/month.
Financing common goods, inflation and shit wages are a common thing in my country, Argentina. Back in 2016 my salary used to be around 1200 USD per month working as a stocker in a school supplier. Now I work in a tech company, and I get paid around 450 USD. I'm honestly thankful for my salary even though it's nowhere near to what I used to get paid, because I know a lot of people get paid way less and their work conditions are utter crap.
Also, take note that for the coming World Cup, we can now purchase smart TVs and cellphones financing them in 30 times. But that's not all! Want to rent a place? It will cost you either half your salary or your whole salary in some cases. Want to build a house? You need to either be a millionaire or take loans. Want to finance building materials because if you pay in cash your monthly wage will get instantly erased? You can't at some places, because you get murdered by a gigantic interest rate for using your credit card, or they outright tell you that they're not accepting credit. Yeah, that's how bad it is over here.
Damn... at the last part about owning something and not needing to replace it in 3 years... It sounds too good to be true in our damned system, even though it was done in the past, and can DEFINITELY be done now.
But think of the shareholders!! Do you think the cocaine budget for executives just funds itself?!?!
@@Praisethesunson well, those shareholders can ALSO enjoy an unbreakable hairdryer! :)
@@dogestcreature I just checked with them. Their $3,000 hair dryer already lasts that long. They also said they prefer cocaine over better consumer products for the filthy rabble. Then they had me arrested for trespassing.
I really liked the more forceful approach you had in this week's episode. This was a great watch, thank you so much for your hard work JT
Calling it now. The year is 2030. Somebody is going to a for profit prison because they couldn't make the installments for the large pepperoni they ordered. Their forced labour is then sold by the prison to Dominos.
Excellent video. I hope at least a few of the people who actually need to see it, see it.
It too bad the people who really need to see this won’t take the time.
I really love your videos, I like that you keep talking with easy terms and the subjects flow without stopping so it's really easy to follow :)
In the United States, some people confuse the word socialism with the idea some things like Healthcare should be considered infrastructure.
Capitalism is socialism for the rich and fascism for the poor.
And with socialism, because there's an incentive to make longer lasting products, there would be less waste/damage to our planet.
Just imagine the amount of unnecessary waste that would be avoided if our industries were geared for the best product rather than the bare minimum to keep the revolving door of currency moving.
Yes! So much trash is generated and so many resources burned through when you have to rebuy your tools instead of fixing them.
what really sucks in canada is that self-employed people get charged more interest on mortgage and more for mortgage insurance. so if you try to be self-reliant, they don't trust you and punish you.
but according to socialists the problem is the capitalist (owners & bosses), not the corporativist( the ones that makes & pay for laws)
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Which, STEMS from capitalism.
They don’t appear out of nowhere. Smh
Yep that’s Socialism
@@theswampfisher3253 No, that is capitalism.
In a socialist system, all these rules would be discussed democratically. And they would be modifiable all the time, if the people express the desire to change it.
i am a young 18year old from the Uk and i have seen how capitalism has taken so much from my parents, the capitalists say if you work hard enough then you can make money but i've seen my parents work harder than anybody, and they still struggle to put food on the table. Their are many other kids like me, i know it. I hope that one day we can all be able to live in a truly Free and equal world
Really like how so many core concepts are condenced in a short video, with everyday examples, not just dry jargon and theories.
Man, watching how capitalism is step by step abolishing personal property in the technology area via software licenses and the like while listening to people saying that without capitalism you wouldn't be able to own stuff is just so ironic...
Under socialism, You will need to share your toilet paper with the whole apartment house.
Propaganda has shrunk your mind to the possibilities.
@@melissashupe5732 I think this person was making a joke(unless you yourself have made a joke)
W deprogrammed reference
@@shinwaffle767 indeed
@@the32bitguy yeah it's a joke lmao
I’ve just discovered this channel and I can already tell it’s going to be one of my faves.
Yeah. I like his channel even though I'm a liberal
A potentially valid example-business wise. I own and operate my own small restaurant. Under socialism, as long as I am the one operating and generating value, it's my personal property. If I want to expand beyond what I can operate on my own, I'd have to either partner with someone that shares my aims with the business or 'hire' someone and fairly share with them the value they create.
I'm honestly happy with either option.
Thank you for sharing from a business owners perspective. I think we all want fair wages. I dislike how he views that all workers must own a share of the business. It’s a crazy notion because the workers have no risk if the business fails besides losing work which they are free to quickly replace. Their labor only has excess value capacity because of the capital that you and your business provides. Would you agree?
@@dunerider88 I don't necessarily agree, I think you're missing the mark somewhat because you are still approaching the discussion from a purely capitalistic point of view. Take my business for example. I am at no risk of failure due to lack of labor, because I supply 100% of the labor required to maintain operation. If my busi3were to expand to a point where more labor is required, I absolutely believe that anyone I bring on would be entitled to the excess profits generated by their labor, as well as a say in the way those profits are generated. Because I want my business to be contributing to improving the quality of life of my community, rather than it being a tool to exploit the labor of others in order to enrich myself.
If I were to make that expansion and was suddenly met with an inability to find the labor to support that level of business, I still would not be at risk because again, it is already designed to maintain on my labor alone, I'd simply scale it back to where it is now and continue on.
This, from a business prospective is in my opinion the biggest difference between capitalism and socialism. Capitalism relies on one group of individuals extorting the labor of another group of individuals in order to enrich themselves, while (in a best case scenario) contributing something to raising the general standard of living. Socialism is the framework by which we all work together to direct our labor towards maintaining and raising the general standard of living.
@@dunerider88 I think I understand what you're saying. In an ideal situation, entrepreneurs would not need to take on debt to grow a business. Rather, businesses would only grow if there is a demand for them; if they provide something needed in society. So, no risk exists for anyone in the business with regards to debt.
However, this is an idealized version of how a company could grow in a socialist market, and it likely won't exist for some time. In the transition between capitalism and socialism, companies will still need to take out loans to finance operations. Furthermore, there is legal culpability. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that many workers would not be okay if we told them that they could be held legally and financially responsible for the actions of the company as a whole. The entrepreneur definitely adds value by taking these responsibilities on and should be compensated for it.
However, is that value really worth the degree which entrepreneurs are compensated? Is it really worth the entire equity of the firm? I don't believe it is. Furthermore, many workers may choose to take on that extra responsibility if they were compensated a little extra for it. I think a kind of modified limited liability company would work well with the socialist model. Essentially, you would have two tiers of workers: those who wish to collect a wage equal to the value generated by their labor alone, and those who wish to collect a wage equal to the value generated by their labor plus the value generated by their willingness to take on financial and legal risk. But it would be everyone's choice, and the differential in pay would not be as severe as we see it now.
As it is now, entrepreneurs alone have the choice to reap the benefits of taking on risk, and they don't seem too keen to let other people in on it. Mustn't be all that bad if you ask me.
"It's my personal property"
In other words, you're now a rich person and you'll have your vast amounts of wealth redistributed to people who need it more.
There's not a single reason a business owner should support Socialism when all Socialism would do is send someone from the government into your restaurant to happily inform you that you now don't own the business anymore and that the government does.
@@phoenixblanco3892 if you had watched the video, you'd understand the nuances of my statement
This video is like a crash course in Capital Vol. 1. Keep it up.
I don’t think any of the people claiming that “socialists want to take your stuff” thinks they want to take peoples toothbrushes
With the simplistic way they frame that statement I think they do.
I bet more than half of the pro-Capitalism people out there running Windows, Mac and Android systems think they "own" their computers/phones/tablets. 🤣
Do a series!!! This informational approach was positively resemblant of the old zeitgeist movies. Please keep making more!
Great observation! Zeitgeist IV is coming out as well. In the meantime, latest film by PJ, Interreflections is quite stunning.
Wait. Who takes the risk of starting the company?
I think the objection comes from spending what little money you have to start something (your dream) only for others to pull it from your control, without risking anything.
..... the government does
You're doing an amazing job with explaining these basic but very important topics in a very understable way. I think these videos are great for all liberals or entry-level socialists.
You have a skill of breaking big points down into digestible and easy to understand current-day relevant examples. Thanks JT.
Thank you! You’re spot on with this (let’s go ahead and call it) series!
So true! Please keep posting videos like this 💯🎉👏🏾🎉🎉💖
I told my husband, “socialism means no toothbrush!” He looked at me bewildered and asks, “why?!” LoL totally thought I was serious and then we watched this video
Thank you for having an open mind. Hard to find on the Internet.
@speedracer9132 Those are proper relationship goals right there! I love that!
Kid, you shifted my paradigm a bit. Kudos!
The crisis of capitalism is very sharp here in the Philippines, and it's only going to get worse. The revolution currently is at the strategic defensive and it might reach the strategic stalemate this decade. You've been doing a lot of videos on popular arguments for a more wide audience, but I hope you make videos on revolution soon.
Eventually, a gorbachev will come along and sell us all out if we rely on governments for socialism. Organize worker cooperatives if you at all have the resources. Good luck
But…sharing the People’s Toothbrush gives me such a feeling of solidarity… 🥺 /s
Community toothbrushes, very based
Bit of Bakunin coming out at the end there. As an anarchist, I loved it.
Always like your stuff. I was wondering if you could talk more about the smart phone updates artificially limiting battery thing.
Software engineers tend to code for the platform they have at hand. They also tend to have the newer and more performant tech than everybody else. Thus as the software gains more functionality, it needs more and more computing power. Every new version runs slower and slower. I have simplified a little bit, but that's the gist of it. I am a software engineer.
@@janhamaldvorak560 This was kind of what I was wondering about. While I generally agree with Second Thought, I feel he might be mistaken on this one. I very much believe in planned obsolescence. But I'm not sure I believe tech corporations are actively sabotaging their own products so we have to buy more. Imagine the class action lawsuit that would ensue if it were ever found out. The PR nightmare. It just doesn't seem worth it.
How ironic the claim that "socialists want to take our stuff", when capitalists are already doing it.
12:43 That's not the only example. The best electric kitchen mixer/blender I've ever used was made in GDR more than 50 years ago. It still works better than most modern ones and has even more useful features than similar modern ones have. The quality of items produced under socialism would vary depending on a great number of reasons and factors. Some of those products were horrible but some things were awesome and were really made to last. User manuals for Soviet-made electronic devices would usually include a circuit diagram to make it easier to repair it by yourself.
Like the 1960's "indestructible" dinking glasses noone wanted to retail because there's no profit in selling houseware once every 30 years.
Brb, going over to nebula to start watching the series on fascism. We just elected a neofascist party in italy and every passing day I'm amazed at the fact that nobody bats an eye to the resurgence of fascism everywhere
How is she a Neo fascist though? I agree she is on the right but facisim is very left wing. Economically fascists work together to build goods for the state. How is that different than communism? While I agree socially fascists are far right how I she? I agree with a lot of things she’s saying with abortion and with the migrant crisis. I don’t think I’m a fascist for that. I mean I don’t hate Arabs but illegally entering a country and getting free stuff because of it makes no sense to me. If you want to get in through legal means than that’s great but you shouldn’t just be able to waltz it at get free stuff. Knowing this is a socialist channel i will probably get hate for this but if you want to debate me than go ahead.
You bring up right to repair, now consider what buying an EV commits you to as far as service options. There are pretty much NO user-serviceable parts inside.
If you fall behind on payments, theoretically the bank can brick your car so you can't get to work to pay for it. They could even command it to drive itself to a repo collection center. If you don't think that's something that's likely to happen in the near future, then you haven't been paying attention.
Socialism would not allow that. Democratic discussions would almost certainly not lead to that, and the people who dare do this would be punished, at the very least fired. In socialism, people could very reasonably decide that if you can't pay your monthly installment, you just reduce the amount to an affordable level. Or put it on pause to let you breathe. Rules are set democratically in socialism.
Never before have I hit the bell button so shortly after discovering a channel. What a good voice on the net! Thanks for the content, looking forward to plow it! Best wishes Joakim out of Stockholm
I enjoy your videos, and agree with many of your points across so many of them, including this one. I am also a huge fan of fair labor, social programs, equitable pay, etc. I say that to clarify I am absolutely not in support of unfettered capitalism, but so have some concerns regarding full fledged socialism. I am hoping you can explain how the transition from “private” business or non-existent business, to social business might work. As a couple of examples, unfarmed land to worker owned farm, or tech startup to worker owned firm. Farms may be a simpler scenario as a group of people could come together to front the capital for necessary supplies and equipment. With technology however, it could be a very small group that come up with an idea, implement it and begin to sell it. Which could come at great expense and risk to the founder. I absolutely agree those who join and contribute to the success should be compensated according to their contributions, but am wondering how we handle incentive to take on the risk to start up the idea in the first place, unless the potential reward offsets the front loaded risk. More concisely, how could we foster innovative people to create startups to benefit society, but slow them/socialize them before they become parasites like Amazon?
I have your same line of thinking. Agree with everything he’s saying, but don’t understand how we could get there or thrive there. Not only does it sound a bit unjust to take a business someone spent their life building and just give it to their employees. What would motivate anyone to start a new business under socialism?
The huge corporations and businesses we have that are capable of feeding/providing for everyone, are only there because highly motivated mostly wealthy individuals built/funded/organized them. Even if they were only motivated by profit.. they were still motivated. Why would anyone want to do the same under socialism even they’re not allowed to own or profit from it?
I know you probably won’t see this, but I want to say thank you. You saved me from becoming an Andrew tate fan. I’m forever in your debt for that. In all seriousness though, I’m really happy that you do this stuff. You’ve inspired so many people to fight for a better world, and in my opinion, there’s no better thing. Dont worry about talking to the occasional fascists that have commented on this video. We down can do that for you.
Thank you. Keep up the good work man. It’s amazing what you’re doing. :)
Who the fuck in Andrew Tate?
@@cr4yv3n 💀
"fascists"😂
Thrown around so simplistically these days that it bears no resemblance to it's original meaning.
@@lahaza6515 nope, not really. There is a clear definition and a lot of right wing people fit the definition of fascists. You’re right when it comes to people calling others N@sis tho, cuz there’s a pretty significant difference between the way the two ideologies work. For example, any sort of extreme nationalism is by definition, fascism. Something like anti-immigration policy, whilst not inherently fascist, is a strong indicator of such thinking.
You are my favorite channel! Keep up the great work
another point to make it that socialism can encourage facism by centralization or discourage innovation but businesses under socialism can invest in the real problems and needs of the people not artificially generating needs and wants profit is still there if your business is actually needed and demanded by the people and it also encourage others to seek out the same for themselves.capitalism does favour entrepreneur but it doesn't favor the initial aspiration for the business in the long run
babe wake up new class consciousness content just dropped
Also- I wish this was in polish (or well, that I could translate it quickly and as concisely) as I would really want to bring it to wards my parents, as this is something that annoys me that they don't understand or want to understand.
They are from relatively times where communism was loosing it's grip over Poland- so in their mind (at least how I see it) they see capitalist system as "the better option" as they seen "socialism fail". It excessively angers me that I personaly can't explain it to them on a level where they understand from where I come from and what I hope for the future (and why current world angers me so much)
So your angry that your parents saw the real world application of socialism fail and you can't explain why that wasn't true.
@@martinrobert6709
You are quite mistaken in what communism was
@@martinrobert6709 uh- the USSR wasn't socialist-
If you're more comfortable with polish, then write in it.
@@lavetissene339
No worries, I know how to type and speak English rather fluently.
Sorry if there were any misspelling and such
“Pass me the community toothbrush, please!”
Yes! I am a socialist and I want to take your stuff!
My with the socialist department of amiibo collections. I've come for your donkey Kong amiibo
Socialism just sounds like common sense. Why should a few people benefit from exploiting everyone else's labour? Why can't workers control their working conditions?
"Mom said it's my turn with the people's toothbrush"
I almost choked when JT said life-size Snorlax plush 😅 😂
Good Video. RUclips should show this video to as many people as possible.
I used to work at an Ingles grocery store as an overnight stocker; the pay was hot ass, but I really liked my supervisor there. I didn’t really consider why that was the case at that time, but now I know: it was because he didn’t just sit at a desk supervising. While I was stocking the international aisle (no one else wanted that aisle but I was pretty good at it), he was right down there with us, stocking the baking aisle.
Very much enjoyed this video. Subscribed
This is one of your most convincing videos so far. It would be interesting to hear the arguments from the other side and see who wins in a fair debate.
What I've noticed over social media is very few, if any, capitalist defenders debate in situations where they are presented with irrefutable evidence that counter their claims about any sort of virtues or value of capitalism. There was a great critique video that TZM guy Peter Joseph did of the debate about Socialism vs Capitalism with Jordan Peterson debating on the side of Capitalism, it was a very well done critique and Jordan would be free to try and refute anything that Peter said, but he would find it impossible to do within logic and reason.
I'm all for open debate, but it's also good to know when solid evidence and truth prevails and you are on the side that understands it. With that knowledge, we have more power and are less likely to be mislead down a dark path.
@@coolioso808 I think that peope are not interested in a debate with somebody who says "irrefutable evidence" or "the fall of capitalism is just over the corner". It's simple wishful thinking, magical even. You want it to be true so much, that you dim your view of reality. Why would anyone be interested in having a conversation with that?
@@MankindDiary Do you not accept that somethings are facts that any social discussion should anchor around or else the discussion is futile anyway. Like having a discussion about environmental sustainability and somebody doesn't accept that greenhouse gasses emitting into the atmosphere warms the planet and causes ill effects on biodiversity and life support systems. You can't debate with an idiot. I'm not calling you one, but what I am saying is some things have enough evidence to the point where they are accepted as facts. Like gravity, if you want to say the jury is not out on gravity, go ahead, find new evidence that disproves gravity, but it's a lot smarter to just accept that the evidence for gravity is irrefutable and go on to other discussions.
At any point, if someone wants to provide evidence to the contrary of the points I'm making, go right ahead. When I'm talking to people who defend capitalism, they often fall for propaganda talking points that are not based in facts, evidence and reality, so when they are presented with compelling arguments to the contrary of their world view, instead of accepting it and taking the discussion to the next level, they dig their heels in or don't respond at all. That's a shame for the state of critical thinking.
I don't know what evidence you have to not believe capitalism is falling and failing. But maybe you want to explain how 8 men with more wealth than the bottom 2.5 billion people is healthy, sustainable and just? Because that's the state of a market capitalist world right now (actually probably worse than the stat I said because it was from a few years ago).
I would suggest a dimmer view of reality is to think capitalism is sustainable and healthy and that people must be coerced and exploited into different labour roles for the profit of a small group of owners and that humans could not ever organize in a better, more efficient way. If that isn't your position, feel free to explain. Don't shy away from a conversation because it might involve some facts and agreed upon definitions.
@@MankindDiary Wishful thinking is believing Capitalism is gonna get any any better.
Ignoring irrefutable evidence IS wishful thinking.
@@eymed2023 Nobody here said that capitalism is going to get better. That's yet another reason people won't talk with you - instead of arguing with them, you are arguing with their depiction that exists only in your head.
Some people have difficulty grasping the nature of what "Private Property" means, let alone distinguishing it from personal property.
To Socialists, though, this distinction is second-nature, to the point of being able to vizualize and call attention to it.
In many ways, "Private" and "Personal" property are opposites.
"Personal" is good. It allows to own the things you want.
"Private" is bad. It makes it harder for you to own wealth.
Anti-socialists say that in a socialist economy, a vice president who does no work and complains about not being able to get a reservation at Dorsia would get paid the same hundred million dollar salary, stock options, and golden parachute as a vice president who works for 14 hours per day to cook the books and run the business into the ground. Everyone knows this would never happen under capitalism, would it?
Not every large business owner fits the caricature of the do nothing & "complain about reservation."
This is the high school version of CEOs.
Granted there are dirtbag, billionaires out there, but they are few compared to the CEOs who work 80 hour weeks
to get where they want to go.
My colleague is a 60+ year old Cuban immigrant. Came to Australia as a 13yo. He thinks because he’s Cuban that he has a better insight into Socialism than anyone else (He’s pro-capitalism). He tried to tell me that in Cuba, if you have more cutlery and crockery than what you need for how many people are in your house, and the bloke down the street has none, they come and make you give your spares to him. So then if you have people over you don’t have enough. 🤦♂️ I don’t bother discussing politics with him anymore.
What if that’s actually what he went through though?
@@themonsterwithin4000 It still isn’t socialism, which protects the personal property of the individual. Under actual socialism, the man down the road wouldn’t be living without basic utilities in the first place.
@@LeBatteur oh, that’s right. Just like with the communism. No one has it done right yet. But the next guy will.
I would call it humanity. one must first meet the basic needs of all, including the old and the sick, before the single healthy worker can have more. it's not about everyone having exactly the same personal possessions. nevertheless it must have been hard in cuba. You can't save for education or self-employment when too many sick people around you need your savings to survive. this can lead to hopelessness and illnesses such as alcoholism in the workers own family. socialism in a rich country where there is enough for everyone is clearly different.
@@themonsterwithin4000 I doubt it. That’s not how it works.
I liked the way this video explained things and thought is sounded really great. But then I started looking into the references given and really thinking about it.
You gave an example of a farm and said that the workers were the ones adding value, but implied that the people doing labor on the farm were the only ones contributing value. A farm (or any business) is only one piece of a much larger puzzle. The individual laborers on that farm are not the ones who do the market research to determine what to grow, negotiate customers to sell that product to and a what price, negotiate the transportation to get the product to those customers, negotiate with suppliers to get resources to plant the crops and feed the animals, handle the payments and receipts from those transactions and distribute the wages to the workers.
A democratically elected leader of farm would not necessarily be able to keep things working smoothly with other businesses.
I agree that monopolistic behavior among capitalists is raising the cost of living and not giving the workers a living wage to keep up with it. They will wind up killing off their market for the goods they produce or inciting criminal behavior to compensate for the shortage.
I do not see from your examples that the socialist approach as described would fix this.
"A democratically elected leader of farm would not necessarily be able to keep things working smoothly with other businesses."
You correctly identified a problem of worker cooperatives but as they operate under capitalist society. It's not really easy explaining all these nuances and theoretical details in a 17 min vid, let alone a RUclips comment, but I can refer to you to the the video series Socialism 101 by Marxist Paul and Fundamentals of Marx by The Marxist Project for further info. Here's also a reading list if you're interested:
How the World Works: The Story of Human Labor from Prehistory to the Modern Day by Paul Cockshott
People's Republic of Walmart: How the World's Biggest Corporation Are Laying the Foundation for Socialism by Leigh Phillips & Michal Rozworski
@@ideologically_uncharged8069 I ain’t reading allat
Your arguments are reasonable, right until you try to bring the soviet stuff into play. Maybe it wasn't the intention, but implying that the soviet model was better, or indeed that it had anything to do with socialism is just flat out wrong. It was basically a state owned capitalist system with similar exploitation and policing (as a way of micro management).
Indeed. Though I think that was more of an inside joke for longtime followers of the channel, it definitely made me do a little bit of a double take.
I'm starting to get a better idea on what Socialism is. Thanks! I still have lots of questions so I'll watch more of your videos and see if they get answered.
Yep, the "profit above all" model is at a breaking point, time to switch to a model more focused on citizens wellbeing.