Another great video! I haven't tried SATA 4400 minijet, but I have a 3000b minijet. I was think they are similar, just found the 4400 has a much bigger fan than 3000b.
Hi buddy, The little 4400 really does have a huge fan for a mini gun. In this video, it's a 1.2, and it's not far off the copy 4000B, which was 1.3. I'm not familiar with the 3000B, but it wouldn't surprise me if it has a smaller fan than the 4400B. Cheers, buddy, good to hear you like the videos. Thanks for watching, it's really is appreciated 👍
Hi mate, indeed, they also make them in orange and blue. They put RP and HVLP on them, but they are all the same tips and caps, so definitely all an RP design. Thanks, mate 👍
Hi Pete, lovely finish from both guns mate and there isn't much between both of them regarding the finish so I recon that you would be more than happy with the Ntools but as you mentioned the downside is the air consumption of the Ntools🤔mate the size of the fan from the 4400B is incredible it's massive😲and for that reason I think this was a good comparison between the two guns👍 You may have told me before but I was surprised when you said the 1.3CC setup is actually a 1.1mm🙄it shouldn't surprise me the way this company measure their tip sizes, I was wondering how the CC aircap would perform with a 1.3i needle and tip in it, do you think it would overwhelm the aircap and not atomise the clear properly🤔🤷♂ Anyway mate great video as always a very enjoyable comparison, cheers Pete👍
Hi John, I have, over the years, come to respect my little Sata Minijet. It can do virtually anything. There's such a wide range of tip sizes from 0.5 to 2.0 and everything in between, RP or HVLP, so providing you can afford the tip sets, you can do anything with it. As you say, its fan is huge, and that's in 1.2. They do a 1.3 and 1.4 as well. It's not my favourite, but, as I say, I now respect it for what it is. Yes, the tip on the Sata 1.3CC tip is, in fact, 1.12mm, and the 1.2 is in fact, 1.25mm. The 1.3 is 1.35mm, now you know why the CC is so 🐌, cheers mate 👍
I know a lot of people like the 4400B and it gets good reviews but like you I have shovel like hands so would probably have the same problem as you with the fan control, I didn't know it had all those setups for it so as you said it would be a great gun for someone just wanting a one gun does all and one that's good quality. I don't know why the tip sizes are so far out on the sata guns mate, I don't see any gain in saying it's a 1.3cc when it's only a 1.1🤦♂ yep know we know why the CC is a slow setup but it's also why it atomises the clear so fine, do you think a 1.2i or 1.3i tip would work with the CC aircap🤔 Posted another tank on my page this afternoon mate, not sure if you will like this colour though🤔🫣🤣cheers mate👍
@JohnWD40TC02 Yeah, I think it would work, but I suspect that the main reason the CC gives a flatter finish is like many others. A smaller tip with everything being equal often gives a flatter finish, I think personally this is more of the reason than the cap, cheers mate 👍
I purchased the tools 4000b from your demonstration and I love it but I'm having trouble trying to find a PPS adapter, I saw the video where you described it but I can't find 1 can you show where to go to get 1?
Hi Sam, Yes, it's the 16 x 2 version in the link below, it's only PPS 1 but you can find patern PPS 2 versions as well now, cheers a.aliexpress.com/_EHu5ox7
Hola amigo, son muy diferentes. La LS400 es en realidad una pistola de capa base, aunque rocía una capa transparente. También es mucho más cara, la WS400 es una pistola de capa transparente muy buena. La Ntools 4000B es una excelente arma por su precio, pero no es tan buena como la WS400 o la LS400.
@@peteshobbies5383 tengo a prueba por unos días la Ls400 verde de primera generación con tobera 1.4 , la usé con clear altos solidos es muy buena y muy veloz. Deseo comprar la Ntools 4000b 1.3 por tus vídeos y recomendaciones. Quisiera exclusividad, una para pintura base y otra para clear. Podrías darme un consejo? Gracias anticipadas.
@alvelez429 La Ntools es una pistola mucho más rápida que la LS400 y no tan buena. La Ntools tiene una muy buena relación calidad-precio, por lo que debería funcionar bien, pero no espere que sea tan buena como la LS400, servirá como capa base y capa transparente si quieres
@@peteshobbies5383 okay Pete!, Entonces me voy a quedar con la Iwata para clear también compraré la Ntools para capa base. Espero haber interpretado correctamente tus valiosos consejos? Senséi 🙏
Hello Pete i just bought Sata 4400B RP second hand and i it had 1.4 tip on it. What would you recommend for settings. I just feel that the fan is not as big as on yours,i did full fan and full fluid on 2.2. Fan is about 15cm am i holding it too close or the tip sprayes a bit tighter. I am looking at getting a bit orange peel so that the panel matches other parts. Thanks in advance. Cheers!!
Hi Mate, 15cm sounds quite small for one of these, I normally hold this around 150 to 175mm from the work, Sata recommends 2.5 bar for their 4400 RP setups, so try that and see what you think 🤔
Hi Damen, I have in direct to metal clear coat but not colour, mainly for corrosion protection. I've never sprayed cerakote. It's something I want to do, but I need to get some time to get to know it. Any coating of spray coating of nut and bolts is tricky, as you'll know
Hi Pete!! Why SATA (not N-tools)? They (some) two exactly similar Chinese guns may be very different guns. Others will work fine a long time, and others are garbage in six months. I think that those seal rings etc inside the guns are not made proper PTFE or similar, good material, which can resist different chemicals..? I have Sata minijet. It is an expensive gun, but i do know that it will last a long time, many years..
Hi Mate, Yes, of course, you would expect a Sata to last longer than an Ntools, I have had a few people that have given quite a lot of use to the Ntools that they have had problems with the seals. What something like the Ntools gives you is the ability to buy a gun to use, try, experiment with do what most people want at a low cost, many will go on and buy better tools depending how they get on with there painting. Cheers buddy, much appreciated 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 yes the kits they supply consisting of o rings / washers etc. Very tempting to try out a n tools for the price, but not being able to fix it when a seal decides to give up puts me off.
@lockstocky2800 I would very much doubt the kits would fit. By chance, the odd seal may fit. These Ntools are around £42 gbp delivered, so if they give a years service, it's still cheap. I have a few sets of neoprene o'ring that I use for all sorts of things but you can often find a ring to fit certain guns, I've repaired two Iwatas and a Harder & Steenbeck air brush , I got them a few years ago but they were only around £9 a box with about 40 sizes per box
Hi Buddy, You should be able to buy them on Aliexpress, as for durability, they are ok, some people have reported problems with the seals so it's worth remembering they are not perfect, cheers mate 👍
Hi buddy, I've never used a 3000rp or 4000rp but I will maybe get one one day if a nice one comes along, pressure wise I'm not sure but if people are using them at 18 to 19psi then that's lower than most I know that use the 5000 and 5500, HVLP yes but not RP. I normally use the 4400 RP at 29psi/2bar, but it gives a flatter finish at 2.5bar/36psi Cheers, mate. I appreciate it 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 Interesting video called "How to set up a clear gun" by MrCorosiveone, he paints high end Ferraris, he discusses the 3000 and 4000 in that video.
Hi Mate, They are different. The NVE is a bit less aggressive, I also think it uses less air, not much, but I'm sure it's less. The Ntools 4000B is better made and will probably last longer. The 4000B is better for clearcoat if you are used to spraying, but the NVE would be better if you weren't. The NVE is better for basecoat, particularly more complex colours, but there isn't much in it with these to be fair. Cheers, buddy 👍
Hi Lesli, the Porphis PRD715 and 717 are quite different to each other but both are very very good, certainly imo better than either of these although the Sata is a mini gun so not really trying to complete against these guns
Hello Pete, everything is great, but the quality of the recording unfortunately does not allow us to see this varnish in detail, I watch your videos but I can never see the difference between one element and another and the quality of the finish even though I have the highest resolution set, a 4K recording would be useful 😉 best regards.
Hi buddy, The final shots of the work are 4k 60fps , I do not compress them, but RUclips does, so it's the best I can do. The on head footage is 1k 60fps. The reason for that is if I keep the camera at 4k 60fps, half an hour of video footage is around 40gb, I may end up with 2 hours footage, so the files are simply huge and difficult to do anything with.
I got a sata replica for Christmas one year. It’s a replica of the 5000. O pattern. I’m glad I didn’t blow $1000 on a real sata because I absolutely hated the way the gun sat in my hand. My hand was tired within minutes. And that jezless fan control drove me nuts. What a stupid place to have it.
Hi buddy, I find the bigger Sata guns absolutely fine because they are bigger, the fan control doesn't get in the way of my thumb. I always think the bigger Sata guns have a very agricultural feel, a bit big and clumsy, they are also quite heavy, for me, of all the Sata guns I like the 5000 RP the best as it's a bit of a Canon, never tried a copy one though which I would expect to be heavier and less refined, cheers mate 👍
Hi buddy, I have the ANI F200, the Skull version, and it's certainly a good gun, I'm not sure it's the best. It's certainly good value for money, cheers, mate 👍
Another great video! I haven't tried SATA 4400 minijet, but I have a 3000b minijet. I was think they are similar, just found the 4400 has a much bigger fan than 3000b.
Hi buddy, The little 4400 really does have a huge fan for a mini gun. In this video, it's a 1.2, and it's not far off the copy 4000B, which was 1.3.
I'm not familiar with the 3000B, but it wouldn't surprise me if it has a smaller fan than the 4400B.
Cheers, buddy, good to hear you like the videos. Thanks for watching, it's really is appreciated 👍
You are right. 4400b SR has a bigger fan. I don't know, what is "SR" to mean, but "SR"= bigger fan..
@rikujkoivisto Hi again, buddy, SR = Smart Repair according to Sata 👍
The 4400RP atomizes clear coat much better than the 3000 minijet.
Hello Pete, thanks for this nice video,,🍻🍻
Hi mate, thanks. It's much appreciated 👍
THANKS FOR THE NEW VIDEO
Hi Lesli, Thank you. It is very much appreciated 😊
Ntools makes it in an all white version too, as well as polished gold. Sata clones and are good looking guns
Hi mate, indeed, they also make them in orange and blue. They put RP and HVLP on them, but they are all the same tips and caps, so definitely all an RP design. Thanks, mate 👍
Anda idola saya sang guru spray gun
Thanks, mate, much appreciated 👍
Which spray gun would you recommend for base and which for varnish, the perfect pair from NTools?"
Hi Mate, if you're just after a cheap pair of guns, 2 of the 4000B would be fine 🙂
Hi Pete, lovely finish from both guns mate and there isn't much between both of them regarding the finish so I recon that you would be more than happy with the Ntools but as you mentioned the downside is the air consumption of the Ntools🤔mate the size of the fan from the 4400B is incredible it's massive😲and for that reason I think this was a good comparison between the two guns👍
You may have told me before but I was surprised when you said the 1.3CC setup is actually a 1.1mm🙄it shouldn't surprise me the way this company measure their tip sizes, I was wondering how the CC aircap would perform with a 1.3i needle and tip in it, do you think it would overwhelm the aircap and not atomise the clear properly🤔🤷♂
Anyway mate great video as always a very enjoyable comparison, cheers Pete👍
Hi John, I have, over the years, come to respect my little Sata Minijet. It can do virtually anything.
There's such a wide range of tip sizes from 0.5 to 2.0 and everything in between, RP or HVLP, so providing you can afford the tip sets, you can do anything with it.
As you say, its fan is huge, and that's in 1.2. They do a 1.3 and 1.4 as well. It's not my favourite, but, as I say, I now respect it for what it is.
Yes, the tip on the Sata 1.3CC tip is, in fact, 1.12mm, and the 1.2 is in fact, 1.25mm. The 1.3 is 1.35mm, now you know why the CC is so 🐌, cheers mate 👍
I know a lot of people like the 4400B and it gets good reviews but like you I have shovel like hands so would probably have the same problem as you with the fan control, I didn't know it had all those setups for it so as you said it would be a great gun for someone just wanting a one gun does all and one that's good quality.
I don't know why the tip sizes are so far out on the sata guns mate, I don't see any gain in saying it's a 1.3cc when it's only a 1.1🤦♂ yep know we know why the CC is a slow setup but it's also why it atomises the clear so fine, do you think a 1.2i or 1.3i tip would work with the CC aircap🤔
Posted another tank on my page this afternoon mate, not sure if you will like this colour though🤔🫣🤣cheers mate👍
@JohnWD40TC02 Yeah, I think it would work, but I suspect that the main reason the CC gives a flatter finish is like many others. A smaller tip with everything being equal often gives a flatter finish, I think personally this is more of the reason than the cap, cheers mate 👍
I've just seen your Instagram page and commented, cheers mate 👍
I purchased the tools 4000b from your demonstration and I love it but I'm having trouble trying to find a PPS adapter, I saw the video where you described it but I can't find 1 can you show where to go to get 1?
Hi Sam, Yes, it's the 16 x 2 version in the link below, it's only PPS 1 but you can find patern PPS 2 versions as well now, cheers
a.aliexpress.com/_EHu5ox7
How many ml of base or clear do u use for a fender? Ta
Hi mate, I normally mix up around 150ml and have a little leftover, depending on the gun and clear coats
Hola Pete, grandes videos!!. Qué opinas entre la Ntools 4000b 1.3 y Iwata Ls400 1.4 para el clear? tu opinión me es muy importante
Hola amigo, son muy diferentes. La LS400 es en realidad una pistola de capa base, aunque rocía una capa transparente. También es mucho más cara, la WS400 es una pistola de capa transparente muy buena. La Ntools 4000B es una excelente arma por su precio, pero no es tan buena como la WS400 o la LS400.
@@peteshobbies5383 tengo a prueba por unos días la Ls400 verde de primera generación con tobera 1.4 , la usé con clear altos solidos es muy buena y muy veloz. Deseo comprar la Ntools 4000b 1.3 por tus vídeos y recomendaciones. Quisiera exclusividad, una para pintura base y otra para clear. Podrías darme un consejo? Gracias anticipadas.
@alvelez429 La Ntools es una pistola mucho más rápida que la LS400 y no tan buena. La Ntools tiene una muy buena relación calidad-precio, por lo que debería funcionar bien, pero no espere que sea tan buena como la LS400, servirá como capa base y capa transparente si quieres
@@peteshobbies5383 okay Pete!, Entonces me voy a quedar con la Iwata para clear también compraré la Ntools para capa base. Espero haber interpretado correctamente tus valiosos consejos? Senséi 🙏
Hello Pete i just bought Sata 4400B RP second hand and i it had 1.4 tip on it. What would you recommend for settings. I just feel that the fan is not as big as on yours,i did full fan and full fluid on 2.2. Fan is about 15cm am i holding it too close or the tip sprayes a bit tighter. I am looking at getting a bit orange peel so that the panel matches other parts. Thanks in advance. Cheers!!
Hi Mate, 15cm sounds quite small for one of these, I normally hold this around 150 to 175mm from the work, Sata recommends 2.5 bar for their 4400 RP setups, so try that and see what you think 🤔
You ever paint nuts and bolts . Cermic paint like cerakote do you know any alternatives
Hi Damen, I have in direct to metal clear coat but not colour, mainly for corrosion protection.
I've never sprayed cerakote. It's something I want to do, but I need to get some time to get to know it.
Any coating of spray coating of nut and bolts is tricky, as you'll know
Hi Pete!! Why SATA (not N-tools)? They (some) two exactly similar Chinese guns may be very different guns. Others will work fine a long time, and others are garbage in six months.
I think that those seal rings etc inside the guns are not made proper PTFE or similar, good material, which can resist different chemicals..? I have Sata minijet. It is an expensive gun, but i do know that it will last a long time, many years..
Hi Mate, Yes, of course, you would expect a Sata to last longer than an Ntools, I have had a few people that have given quite a lot of use to the Ntools that they have had problems with the seals.
What something like the Ntools gives you is the ability to buy a gun to use, try, experiment with do what most people want at a low cost, many will go on and buy better tools depending how they get on with there painting.
Cheers buddy, much appreciated 👍
I was wondering if the Ntool guns will fit the maintenance kits you buy here in the uk online at places like spray guns direct ?
Hi mate, I would doubt it, do you mean like the kits spray guns direct have for the ANI F160/R160 type guns?
@@peteshobbies5383 yes the kits they supply consisting of o rings / washers etc.
Very tempting to try out a n tools for the price, but not being able to fix it when a seal decides to give up puts me off.
@lockstocky2800 I would very much doubt the kits would fit. By chance, the odd seal may fit.
These Ntools are around £42 gbp delivered, so if they give a years service, it's still cheap.
I have a few sets of neoprene o'ring that I use for all sorts of things but you can often find a ring to fit certain guns, I've repaired two Iwatas and a Harder & Steenbeck air brush , I got them a few years ago but they were only around £9 a box with about 40 sizes per box
How ser how is durability? Im planning to buy that where i can buy this? Thank you im from Philippines salamat mabuhay
Hi Buddy, You should be able to buy them on Aliexpress, as for durability, they are ok, some people have reported problems with the seals so it's worth remembering they are not perfect, cheers mate 👍
@@peteshobbies5383thanks ser shout out form Philippines loud and proud
@marvinpagapuslan1428 You're welcome buddy, take care 👍
Have you tried the Black Widow ?
Hi Mate, No, it's a Harbour Freight gun, so we can't get them in the UK. They are Chinese made as far as I know but I'm not sure of the manufacturer
4000b rp's can spray clear at 18-19psi, the 3000 rp was also a great gun
Hi buddy, I've never used a 3000rp or 4000rp but I will maybe get one one day if a nice one comes along, pressure wise I'm not sure but if people are using them at 18 to 19psi then that's lower than most I know that use the 5000 and 5500, HVLP yes but not RP.
I normally use the 4400 RP at 29psi/2bar, but it gives a flatter finish at 2.5bar/36psi
Cheers, mate. I appreciate it 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 Interesting video called "How to set up a clear gun" by MrCorosiveone, he paints high end Ferraris, he discusses the 3000 and 4000 in that video.
@evojigger Thanks, I'll have to take a look 👍
So what would you say at the end after trying both...what is better ntools 4000b or ntools devilbiss dvi copy 😂?
Hi Mate, They are different. The NVE is a bit less aggressive, I also think it uses less air, not much, but I'm sure it's less.
The Ntools 4000B is better made and will probably last longer. The 4000B is better for clearcoat if you are used to spraying, but the NVE would be better if you weren't.
The NVE is better for basecoat, particularly more complex colours, but there isn't much in it with these to be fair. Cheers, buddy 👍
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Thanks, Grant, much appreciated 👍
HOW WOULD THESE GUNS GO AGAINST THE PORPHIS 717
Hi Lesli, the Porphis PRD715 and 717 are quite different to each other but both are very very good, certainly imo better than either of these although the Sata is a mini gun so not really trying to complete against these guns
Hello Pete, everything is great, but the quality of the recording unfortunately does not allow us to see this varnish in detail, I watch your videos but I can never see the difference between one element and another and the quality of the finish even though I have the highest resolution set, a 4K recording would be useful 😉 best regards.
Hi buddy, The final shots of the work are 4k 60fps , I do not compress them, but RUclips does, so it's the best I can do.
The on head footage is 1k 60fps. The reason for that is if I keep the camera at 4k 60fps, half an hour of video footage is around 40gb, I may end up with 2 hours footage, so the files are simply huge and difficult to do anything with.
I got a sata replica for Christmas one year. It’s a replica of the 5000. O pattern. I’m glad I didn’t blow $1000 on a real sata because I absolutely hated the way the gun sat in my hand. My hand was tired within minutes. And that jezless fan control drove me nuts. What a stupid place to have it.
Hi buddy, I find the bigger Sata guns absolutely fine because they are bigger, the fan control doesn't get in the way of my thumb.
I always think the bigger Sata guns have a very agricultural feel, a bit big and clumsy, they are also quite heavy, for me, of all the Sata guns I like the 5000 RP the best as it's a bit of a Canon, never tried a copy one though which I would expect to be heavier and less refined, cheers mate 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 Ani Black the best gun 😂👍👍👍
Hi buddy, I have the ANI F200, the Skull version, and it's certainly a good gun, I'm not sure it's the best. It's certainly good value for money, cheers, mate 👍
Hi Pete, can you compare HVLP and LVMP gloss x1 from Italco brand?
Hi buddy, unfortunately, I don't have any Italco guns, but I will keep a look out 👍
My 4000B leaked from new. The pot where it screws in leaked and wouldn’t seal.
Hi mate, haven't heard of that from anyone before, I think from memory it has a nylon seal at the base in the gun, is it there ?
@@peteshobbies5383 yeah it’s still there, not heard anyone have the issue either. Maybe a new cup or seal will fix the issue.
@classicvolvorestorations3848 you can get PPS adapters for them which may fit the problem
@@peteshobbies5383 do you fit the wee filter for the cup? I never use them but did wonder if it’s needed for this one?
@classicvolvorestorations3848 No, I just filter when I fill the cup, normally 190 micron but 125 micron for Candy
NICE VIDEO THERE PETE NO OFFENCE MATE I RATHER HAVE THE SATA 4400B MINI JET ALL DAY LONG PETE DONT THERE DO A 1.3 IN THE SATA MINI JET .
Hi Mate, Yes, they do tips set from 0.5 up to about 2.0, including 1.3, I haven't got a 1.3, only 1.2 and 1.4 and a 1.0
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Congratulations 🎊 👏 💐 🥳 🤣😅😂, cheers, mate 👍