Zonal Architecture - Aptera Engineering Update
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Aptera is innovating in all portions of vehicle engineering. Today, we give an inside look into our vehicle integration and low-voltage systems. Stay tuned for clips featuring our other engineering zones.
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Love the transparency 🙌
We couldn't do it without your support!
Very transparent. Not much real content.
@@ApteraMotors - Yeah! These Aptera Ambassadors are great!
This is thrilling to see unfold. We, all of us, involved as Aptera from reservation holders to engineers and founders are in a race to make this happen. We've got to get this over the finish line. Chris, Steve and the team are working and putting in the effort. I'm trying to match their effort from my end. I encourage you,as you see fit, to set goals for Aptera success as well.
I believe this vehicle on the road will shake all vehicle makers understanding of what's possible even more than Tesla did.
Thank you for your continued interest and support! 💚
Loving the updates.
Go Aptera go! ⚡️❤️
Another nice tech snippet! Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
I would love to hear more on the sound systems and internal systems
They will be as loud as possible - to cover up the road noise.
@@daveinwla6360 I genuinly want to know what the possibilities are for adding more subwoofers/different speakers.
@@hockeynut178 - I definitely wouldn't plan on modifying the interior wall until I personally inspected it. I suspect that it's part of a monocoque structure that provides some strength to the body, and the space between outer and inner walls has also been mentioned as containing sound damping material. Chris Anthony mentioned recently that Aptera is formulating plans for an open house showing of the Gamma model, and that would be something for you to attend if you're within travel distance of Carlsbad. In any event, patience will serve you well.
Let’s go Aptera team!
Love your methods and the decisions you're making Aptera! It all comes together as beautiful engineering, efficient results and an unheard of business practice!! We Love your transparency and will be so proud to own an Aptera and tell the world about it! Thank you for this update.
DemaGeek, are you an Aptera Ambassador?
@@daveinwla6360 No, I'm not an Aptera Ambassador, just a follower from the beginning and a customer who loves what's going on.
@@DemaGeek - And what's "going on"? The vehicle hasn't been offered for test drives, and it hasn't been produced, yet. All you're in love with is a dream based on promises. So far, this is just an article in "Popular Mechanix".
@@daveinwla6360 Well, you can over simplify it that way if you need to, but that discounts a few major points like: the thousands of hours of engineering (really good engineering by the way) behind it, the NASA wind tunnel validation of the design, partnering with companies and experts at the top of their fields both here and across the globe, and very good market response with zero advertising dollars spent. Companies and products have to start somewhere and be created and developed... they were all 'nothing' at some point, not even a magazine article! May I also point out that the major relationships Aptera has established, both with experts like Munro & Associates and C.P.C. in Italy, not only had to be convinced of Aptera's validity, but they have partnered with them to back up the vehicle design and company prospect. We can also talk about the financial side and how difficult it is to get people to invest unless they see strong potential in both a company and the product. The millions and millions of dollars that have come in speak volumes about what people see in Aptera. Several prototypes have been built, tested, and iterated on... what is it you're not liking, the development process?? With your logic, the fact that it's not here yet, means it's invalid, and that's laughable. You all but never see the level of development transparency that Aptera offers.
@@DemaGeek - Thousands of hours of engineering to make the model based on "Efficiency First" actually run, and sliding safety and comfort 2nd and 3rd. An autocycle is adamantly called an "autocycle" by government agencies because that is what ii is - half auto, and half motorcycle in safety and comfort.
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I can't wait to have my 1,000 miles range Aptera!!!!
Fascinating stuff for us EV nerds. Ultimately, it will produce a revolutionary EV that everyone will eventually find fascinating.
Common abstracted firmware for every module is a good sign of sound engineering by a well run team. I once got fired by a corrupt company for trying to achieve similarly and not meeting their unreasonable time demands for certain tasks. Hats off to Aptera. :-)
Cool concept: Zonal Architecture!
Thanks for sharing!
love all these updates. keen to hear on the 2 meter width resolution for the eu and rhd markets.
Yes, and for Hawaii. Hawaii is also a very narrow. My guess is that it wouldn't be availbable for a very long time because it is a huge structural change.
Some extraordinary creativity going on here. Well done, and
Charge on!
I understood more from Aptera Owners Club's dissection of the same wiring harnesses. I will wait eagerly for his ruling on this too. Anyway, thanks Aptera, for keeping us constantly excited.
Great update with just the right level of detail!
You really gotta respect the fact that Aptera seems to be taking the time to do things right. Quality over quantity.
Thanks for the amazing insight!
In case I forgot to mention it, please ship to Europe!
Man can't wait to have one..
0:11 Yes, I've been an apterra fan for a very long time.
Way back when you were a good idea.
Originally you were going to be a gasoline-powered three-wheeled vehicle that got 100 miles to the gallon cost $7,000 and because you had three wheels places like Florida, you wouldn't require car insurance.
Any car that you could buy? That's a two-seater for $7,000 that gets 100 mi to the gallon and doesn't require car insurance. Would have changed America
You would have given freedom to so many people
But I guarantee you the big three automakers threaten to skin your children alive. And now you're coming out with a $50,000 electric car so that it absolutely gets rid of all of the benefits that your company originally came up with... Being able to free the average man, so the average wage slave, can actually afford to get back and forth to work.
Thank you very much for taking something that was going to be $7,000 and making it $50,000 so that it completely defeats the purpose.
So that's a complaint that defeats the purpose.
Instead of having a family car, every single American that was of driving age was going to buy one of your vehicles
But now you've turned a two-seater, into the price of a family vehicle, rendering it completely useless for its original purpose, affordable transportation
The original Aptera was not $7k, that was the Elio. The Aptera was around $20k, IIRC. Today's base model Aptera is also about $25k, which when you take inflation into account, is actually cheaper than the original Aptera. Cool beans.
Thanks for the video!
You bet!
1:12 Where are those chips coming from?
THANKS FOR SHARING THIS 🤗💚💚💚
Efficient? It would be interesting to know why the battery connections are in the back rather than the front, where the greatest current load from the front wheel inverter is.
Also if the charging circuitry were in the front, as in the Nissan leaf, those long cable runs from the stern could be shortened considerably.
Also, if they went to 48V for the accessory system, as in the Tesla Cybertruck, wire gauges and switch sizes could be minimized.
A thought on the charging circuitry; by a cynic with EV knowledge. First, I agree that the plug should be in the front [where it is on my '19 Niro BEV]. But that would not give them the fancy look of the '1950 Packard" with the 'feeding spot' behind the license plate. In the front of the Aptera, they would have to make a 'door' which would spoil the 'look' of it. OR put the plug under the central light system, which would cost "X" more. So this writers sheer GUESS was that it was more cost effective and more style effective, to put the plug in the stern and hidden.
I am more interested in seeing how the manufacturing facility is coming along. Enough talk about the car, let's see them rolling off the assembly line and on to the streets and highways.
You'll never see them on the road
Would be nice if all investors got the link... maybe in a week or two. Might encourage more to join the leader board...
☀☀Go Aptera! ☀☀
Aptera is also being efficient in their wiring and control systems design. And the benefits that we will get will be increased reliability, lighter, less expensive, easier to build, and easier to troubleshoot.
Have you tried to troubleshoot a *data network* with a continuity checker?
@@daveinwla6360 You won't ever need to, because the system diagnoses itself. The Aptera computer will tell you what's broken and how to repair it.
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I see an Aptera video... I click. I'm a simple person. I'm curious... Is skin cooling still a thing or did you guys move to a different solution?
Traditional car companies would never do this in a million years. They’d use the same inefficient expensive heavy methods because that’s the way it’s always been done.
Data networks and computer chips (and their programming) are expensive.
*"Traditional" has been cheaper* until now. It's still cheaper in terms of skilled/experienced maintenance personal.
Is it also 48V where Tesla is moving to? 48V results in thinner wires that reduces weight and cost.
Boy, I would want this vehicle in Germany. Only issue I have is, it doesn’t fit with its 2,2 m width neither on motor ways under construction (which we have many unfortunately) nor on the driveway and parking lot I have at home… everything is much more cramped here I guess
How much *sunlight* do you get in Germany?
@@daveinwla6360 enough for PV. We make that stuff here… I guess this was just a rhetorical question from your side. I see your point. However, this car would make me happy except the to wide chassis… cheers
@@Marco_Dubbleyou - I agree that with shorter drives, an EV is more practical in Europe. But test drive the Aptera before making a down payment (after checking the tires for proper inflation). And include a cautious overtake of a big rig truck on the autobahn. The rear pant and the "dolphin tail" could combine to cause lift and lateral deflection as it passes the front of the truck, resulting in a swerve into the path of the truck.
Potholes will also be more challenging to avoid, given the 50% more wheel tracks.
@@daveinwla6360 again, this thing is too wide so I don’t consider buying it. But I like your information here, have never thought about that behavior on the road really. Thanks Dave!
@@Marco_Dubbleyou - You're welcome, Marco. Given the thoroughness of Aptera's production preparations and industry contacts, I would consider buying an Aptera if it were a 4-wheeler with stationary fenders and which had active suspension to compensate for the unsprung weight of the of the in-wheel motors. But... it is what it is. Maybe there will be an Aptera 3.
When can I test drive one?
Will we be able to choose custom low-speed warning sounds? (The Jetsons)
I hope Aptera doesn't have its money in Silicon Valley Bank? Please let us know ASAP!!!!
Are they going to 48 V as well?
Point Of Use Controller... surely there's some H-word we can tack on to make a better acronym? Hardware, Hybrid, Hi-speed?
Hey Aptera! Any chance we could see more information about if OBD (on board diagnostics) will be incorporated and how that might look?
Please use wiring that doesn’t smell like food to mice and other rodents. Don’t use soy-based wire insulation.
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Looking at some of your recent renders, it looks like the single wiper in front will only clear about 3/5ths -2/3rds of the width of the windscreen. Will that be the case in the production model?
So what is happening with the heating and air conditioning ?
As in, are they currently working on changing over to a heat pump as soon as they can get the components? That is one of my biggest questions.
So what was the outcome of the test crash! Are these considered a car or motorcycle classification?
We are designing the vehicle to meet most automotive safety standards, and will have more to share as more simulations get approved for public distribution.
I would simply sell it as a in-closed motorcycle eliminating the need for crash rating.
I hope you weren't banking with SVB Aptera?
I would buy an Aptera car, if the batterie is a solid state batterie, Lithium oxigen batterie or sodium sulfur
Has Aptera experimented with electronic braking systems like Brembo has been showing off?
Aptera will have regenerative braking, and... it won't go very fast, so only minimal braking is planned.
@@daveinwla6360 Yes, the Aptera is limited to going only up to 101 mph -- not very fast. 😂
@@fotoguru222 - 101 mph is an empty promise made on a flat straight level road with no other traffic in mild temperatures with no crosswind. And don't overtake any buses or big rigs - you'll swerve right in front of them.
@@daveinwla6360 But they must have to include a standard hydraulic system too, no?
@@Jessev741 - I assume so. But with regen and light weight, brakes wouldn't have to be as large as for, say, an ICE SUV.
why not drive by wire?
I like it
From what I see as a reservation holder is even if the funding was there, you guys were not ready to start production end of 2022.
Where are we now with funding? If funding was fulfilled, are you ready to start producing? Does not look like it, but hope to be wrong.
You guys really care about us customers? Use iron phosphate or m3p chemistry from catL
Chris mentioned in a recent interview they are considering using iron phosphate or other chemistry for a future lower range, lower cost version of the Aptera.
@Harry Parker future as in the future where they start production or future after production?
We all know they have enough time between today and the start of production to make this change that lowers their cost, and is a better product for the consumer.
But my expectations are low after watching them try to bring their car to production without DC fast charging after marketing it as a commuter car great for trips.
Just what I see, just my opinion.
@@borshardsd The design of the Launch Edition 400 mile range version is locked, so no other battery design is happening before production starts.
I expect the original 250 mile battery pack will still be a smaller version of the 400 mile pack as they previously stated, at least at first. Maybe by the time they get to the 600 mile version (2025?) they'll have the time to design and test improved lower cost alternate chemistry batteries.
It takes over a year to design and fully test a new battery, including production equipment design and tooling, and environmental extremes tests.
@Harry Parker so after they changed the charging system design, it was locked? Thanks for the added information. Seems like a miss on aptera, they were looking at that plug but not the battery pack chemistry tesla was killing production costs with.
Let's see what the next year brings for aptera.
Air conditioning!? Well, there go the 40 "free solar" miles!
Missing 48 volts. Gone bankrupt twice, right? I really hope not a third stock scam.
Still stuck in primarily CGI, no real production.
Takes time?
Takes money?
remove wires with zigbee :)
You still need to run power. The signal line is relatively insignificant, and in most cases wired is more secure and reliable.
Shame they went up 10k now I can't afford one
Where did you get that from?
That's not happened?
@@tims8603 I've been fallowing it for a long time the original price was 25k
@@ZWhippie So have I. That isn't what I asked. I'd like to know, specifically, where you heard or saw that.
@@tims8603 double checked it's on the web their website so they are even upfront with the price increases
1) Components still need current. You can't replace current-carrying wires with tiny data wires. You're being massively dishonest about being able to replace traditional current-carrying wire harnesses with data cables that can't possibly carry enough current. You may be reducing the size (thickness/gauge) of some of the wires, but you are just replacing simple, reliable switches with data cables and fragile, unreliable, finicky microcontrollers.
2) You're deliberately making everything much harder to repair, especially by the end user. You want to charge owners a lot more money for making tiny repairs. Instead of a simple generic bulb, solenoid or transducer you now have to replace a very specific device with a chip that end users won't be able to get their hands on.
3) This kind of electrical architecture makes for incredibly difficult upgrades and customization. Stuff as basic as upgrading the audio system or lighting become a major job requiring new wiring harnesses to be built in order to bypass the ignorant proprietary systems you intend to implement.
As with the insane insistence on using the all but obsolete proprietary Tesla charging connector, your rationale is not logical. There is ample real estate in the nose or any number of areas on the Aptera to put a door for a CCS port, which will be mandatory everywhere but North America. You're shooting yourselves in the foot if you want to ever sell anywhere other than North America, especially since in a few years even Tesla will be migrating to CCS there.
Right to Repair laws are being enacted around the world and will only become more prevalent as time goes by. You really need to concentrate on making Apteras user-serviceable rather than planned obsolescent.
A year ago I was all ready to plunk down for a reservation for a maxed-out Aptera, but the more I learn about it the less likely I am to buy one.
Hi Mark, Of course they still need current carrying wires. They just need a small fraction of them, because those wires are shared for the vast majority of the length and width of the vehicle, unlike the old way of doing things you're used to.
I'm a retired electrical engineer who has worked with microcontrollers. Automotive grade microcontrollers aren't "unreliable or finicky". They are much more reliable (and less expensive!) than old fashioned mechanical switches and relays from 20 to 50 years ago.
And repairing them will be quite easy when rarely required: Just unplug and replace them with the replacement part. LEDs don't need to be regularly replaced like obsolete bulbs that regularly burn out. Solenoids for door locks and such aren't going away.
With Aptera's openness of providing free repair instructions, mods may be much easier to accomplish. No need to buy sets of repair manuals for hundreds or thousands of dollars, as are needed for your old car.
Re. the CCS plug, the one in Europe is incompatible with the one in North America, and both weigh something like 5 times what the now most common in North America, lightweight and relatively inexpensive Tesla one does.
You guys are never going to deliver these so stop it. You're taking people's money and then going to go bankrupt.
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I'm very interested in seeing and hearing what the cabin noise is like while driving. Seeing how the body is built mainly on strength and aerodynamics. I personally don't mind a louder cabin, but I hope it isn't too loud for the everyday driver who is used to moderate noise cancelling vehicles.
As long as the build quality is good, I expect it to be quieter than regular vehicles.
- curved surfaces don't vibrate at low frequencies
- no engine
- no wind turbulence
- natural damping of the composite is higher than that of steel
If I'm not mistaken, the third founder is also an audiophile, so there will certainly be some focus on eliminating noises from the interior.
@@siesstad Carbon fiber is like a sea shell - it needs LOTS if damping to absorb vibration.
Even glass fiber is noisy - ask any sailor whether he'd like to bunk in a wooden hull boat or a fiberglass hull boat.
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We were comparing plate steel to composites, not wood to composites.
Try being in a thin-walled steel boat and compare that to a polyester boat.
My parents had a diesel powered steel boat. You had to shout at each other when the engine was running.
How does this work with the cameras? Linbus looks like it caps out around 20kbit/s Maybe a dedicated point to point link somewhere?
Good point! The cameras have a direct connection to the vision display.
Love the videos! Probably a dumb questions, but wouldn’t you save cable length and complexity by rotating the battery 180 degrees?
Snooze alert. Start building before tesla realizes this is the future of small efficient, earth friendly , must-have vehicles. Let's go
Every day I get more excited for when Aptera hits the roads here in Florida🤩
Can't wait for the commercial version
@ Chris, Steve and team, this whole project is so well done, and well engineered for the resources you have. I'm rooting for you guys!, you HAVE to make it to the next step.
A three-motor configuration. Will it have three-wheel differential?
I'm pretty sure with electric motors, there's no need for a differential. The rotation of the wheels is not mechanically linked
The motors are in the wheel hubs. There are no drive shafts, CV joints, or differentials.