My favorite part with the whole addiction thing is Peter and miles. Yes your friends can help you stop addiction, but it’s you who has to stop. It’s you that has to pull off your symbiote.
Always come back to this. I am not an addict nor do I have family and friends that are deeply affected, but this diseases scares me. I always find myslef watching, listening, and reading about it. I am afraid that it might slowly crawl into my life, and I don't know if I am strong enough to fight it. Anyways, great video man. The symbiote story always takes my breath away and the game developers did not disappoint. I know this won't be the last time I watch this. See you soon. You are great man.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment so thoughtfully. Seems like people who are afraid of falling into it in the first place are better at staying away from the bad stuff they’re drawn to, so stay vigilant out their :)
I am in recovery and while the video writ large is fantastic the thing I felt to say is that I'm so very proud of you. For your journey, your honesty, and candor when discussing the ugly parts of addiction. I'm sure this video will help many others too.
My addiction is a porn addiction. I won't get too religious despite porn addiction legit brought me to God, and a lot of the help is from him, but I've been battling for about a year now. Maybe two. This game really hit the nail on the head with how corruptive and destructive addiction of any form can be, and while alcohol and porn addiction are drastically separate, they're also very similar all at the same time. But the part that really did the addiction best was the Miles vs Peter fight. Porn made me feel calm and easy and let me have an escape to my loneliness, my severe anxiety, and my OCD. But it also made it worse when I didn't. Porn made me pervasive and destroyed my view on what a relationship is, to a point that a relationship for me would just be about sex and that's it. It got so bad I didn't even know what true genuine love, as a man, would be like, and I had no idea how to love. It messed up the way I socialized, the way I viewed women, my self respect, it was total self sabotage. "I need this suit, it makes me a better Spider-Man" was like me telling myself after reading a bunch of, what I didn't know was pseudoscience, articles saying "porn is good for you and is normal, embrace it" so "Porn is good for calming the nerves and relaxing, it can help you sleep and maybe even focus better" "Porn makes me happier and less stressed" But every day, I just was self destructing bit by bit. The thing that saved me was a breakup. That breakup introduced my into lifting. My acknowledgement of embracing suffering and preserving naturally introduced me to God. God introduced me to confidence. God introduced me to self reliance, self discipline, and the potential within me. I used to hate Him, and my battle with addiction that still is ongoing is weakening due to everything He has provided for me even when I hated Him and didn't even know that it was Him. But that's religious, not everyone is. Long story short, short, quick solutions are temporary. Confronting the issue head on consecutively over and over until you win is permanent. Take the hard way out. It's the most rewarding.
Can I just say how amazing it is that you are able to open up about this? I can say, as an addict...who had sadly relapsed before...There is always hope, if you are willing to put in the work. The Black Suit Spiderman arc has always for me been the best analogy for dealing with it. Because Peter always eventually take accountability and realizes where he's gone wrong, and resolves to be better. Venom on the other hand is what happens when someone never takes responsibility and abuses again and again. No matter what...You keep trying, and a setback doesn't doom you. I still have a long way to go, but it's good to remember I'm not slime wearing human skin.
Well said. A lot of failure along the path because it seems to always be trying to crawl back onto your skin. Unfortunately, the character flaw of addiction happens to be seemingly among the most demonized and monstrous in the eyes of those who know little to nothing about it - it makes it hard not to see ourselves as monsters rather than simply flawed (I.e. human) sometimes.
Thank you this! I’ve been waiting for someone to talk about this game, specifically, the message it’s trying to tell because I believe Insomniac is trying to send a deeper message than people realize. It doesn’t talk directly about addiction in the game/story. However, they said for the symbiote storyline, they took inspiration and had to do a lot of research on the behaviors of addiction and how it affects you and the people you love most. Sharing your story is something that will help so many people than you realize man including myself. As a person myself who has battled addiction, how it affected the people closest to me hits home! This version of Spider-Man, particularly the Insomniac Spider-Man, is my favorite interpretation of Peter Parker/Spider-Man across all forms of media. When Insomniac discussed how the game would delve into darker themes such as addiction, and what it does to you and everyone you love. I realized that this game would resonate deeply with me on a personal level. Thank you once again as I can’t emphasize that enough! ❤️ #BeGreaterTogether🕷️🕸️🤟🏽
I agree - the big focus on his friends and how they were impacted by addiction was very well done (and hard to watch sometimes out of relatability). If the video helps one person, I consider it a success :) Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your insights. Keep fighting - together we got this ❤️🩹
I really like spectacular as well. I think this games issue is its third act, and venom as a villain in this game just doesn’t work as well as it should. I feel like this game had a really strong first act and the best second act in their 3 Spider-Man games, but literally right after kraven gets his head bitten off, the pacing and storytelling nosedives. Harry as an antagonist doesn’t work because the storytellers can’t commit to the idea whether it’s the symbiote in the drivers seat (which is boring and generic no matter how cool the venom design is) or Harry and the symbiote working together as venom. The story wants to absolve the host of their responsibility while also trying to treat their actions as if it’s something heinous (with Harry, Peter and MJ as well) Even from the leaked initial draft, it seems the only thing that they actually cared about the symbiote and venom as a whole is the fact that it’s an alien and that’s it. Very disappointing from insomniac to miss the mark on such an important story. Peter corrupts the symbiote. The symbiote is young an immature and naive. It lashes out with a dejected Harry. How’s that not more interesting than a generic, I want to take over everything
This is honestly one of the best vids I watched about this game! Even though you don't love the game as much I did, you gave a very deep and heartfelt analysis about it and shared from destructive truths about your personnal life and about addiction that not only makes me love this game more for how well it handeld those themes and ideas. It also made me respect you for having the guts to open yourself up about your own struggles and how best to deal with them. 🙂😉👍🏼
I personally have not struggled with addiction to alcohol or any substance, but I think that connecting with people thru a medium like a game that people bond over while sharing your story is one of the coolest things I think the internet has gifted us in this modern age. Thanks for sharing and creating this video!
As an addict myself, to something that I'm not proud of...🌽...It's a process for me...really having to realize that being an addict, doesn't make me a bad person, and being free from it, isn't going to be easy...but that with support, and persistence, I can make it through anything, thank you for being so ooen, and congrats on sobriety, as i'm working on the same thing, being sober feels nice, not having to rely on watching that, all the time to feel something is also nice, you've gained a new subscriber. 😊
Glad some people are finding it helpful. Really appreciate you taking the time to make the kind comment - definitely motivates me to keep trying to make helpful videos.
Thank you so much for making this video bro. You helped me find the solution to my personal struggles. You shined light on the fact that the solution to my problems was in the game I have put so many hours into. Please keep making videos on this topic, and don't hesitate to share your own struggles as it has not only helped me but I’m sure you will help many more people in the future. Thank you
Well what do you know, the algorithm actually recommends a good video. If you think you'd be able to handle it, it would be interesting to hear your take on some of the times comics have dealt with addiction. The main well known one is the "Demon in a Bottle" storyline from Iron Man. It's from the late 70s, so it's probably more than a bit dated, but it's still considered one of the (if not THE) definitive Iron Man stories to comics fans. When RDJ was cast, before the movie even came out, a lot of comics fans accepted his casting primarily on the fact he'd understand that part of the character. I'll also mention the bit in the game where Peter tells Harry to "pop some more pills" is quite possibly a reference to the fact that Harry was addicted to pills (not sure it was ever specified what drugs) and even almost died from an overdose. I'm not even sure it's really a storyline as it's from the days when comics were usually single issues, but it's still a part of the characters past.
My girlfriend has an addiction to self harm her parents Are not helping her at all And She resorts to it when shes sad etc. This video really Is helping me to understand her ur Story is awesome And this video needs way more attention 🙌
I wonder why this video didn't get push from algorithm. Similar to your previous video, I have launched my Last of Us 2 analysis a few hours ago, let's see how it will fare. I personally loved the 2nd half of spiderman 2. In fact the final sections of the game is my absolute favourite and slightly edging out the 1st spiderman. This was somehwhat similar to LoU 2 - A more complex and deep story all around. Didnt wow me like LOU 2 of course but I also am thinking about creating an analysis on this game as well. Cheers mate. Im looking forward to your new videos
I will say I posted the TLoU2 video in the subreddit of the game so it got some clicks into it from outside RUclips which probably helped it think people liked it and were searching for it. I look forward to checking out your video.
@@NonfictionGamer Oh yeah. Let me post my video on reddit groups as well. Thanks for telling me that. I have gone to surprising depth in 10 mins in my analysis. I have attempted to discuss an angle of the story not many people pay enough attention to. I hope you like it.
one persons video i watched said that cuz mj tried to get through to him that it gave miles the chance to help him im not sure what he ment by that though
I’m going with he came up with a way to just take part of the symbiote in the tank off (like cutting off a limb)…so there is certainly more out there. Beware. 😂
I hated how they missed the core element that made the symbiote and venom interesting. The symbiote genuinely loved Peter, and wanted to make its host’s life better. It had no ulterior motives. It was immature and naive. It’s actually Peter who kind of corrupted the symbiote with his emotions. And then the symbiote lashes out with an angry, vengeful, and also selfish and immature host (Eddie) There are so many scenes in the game, where the game specifically points out, oh it was the alien controlling me I had no say and that’s all. That’s so bad. It also devalues the addiction theme. Yes addiction makes you different and literally act like another person. But it’s still you in a ducked up way. the anti venom thing is also such a massive disappointment. I have all the powers, but none of the side effects. Sounds like a 11 year old kids fantasy, but it kind of devalues the theme of addiction once again, but I excuse it cause it really ties in mr negative, miles, and Peter’s story well while also being a good gameplay idea to reuse symbiote. I don’t like how rushed it is in the game, because we never even see Peter struggling against venom without the anti venom
My favorite part with the whole addiction thing is Peter and miles. Yes your friends can help you stop addiction, but it’s you who has to stop. It’s you that has to pull off your symbiote.
Exactly right
Wow, good stuff
This made me cry. Because i am you. And currently not even sober rn
Always come back to this. I am not an addict nor do I have family and friends that are deeply affected, but this diseases scares me. I always find myslef watching, listening, and reading about it. I am afraid that it might slowly crawl into my life, and I don't know if I am strong enough to fight it. Anyways, great video man. The symbiote story always takes my breath away and the game developers did not disappoint. I know this won't be the last time I watch this. See you soon. You are great man.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment so thoughtfully. Seems like people who are afraid of falling into it in the first place are better at staying away from the bad stuff they’re drawn to, so stay vigilant out their :)
I am in recovery and while the video writ large is fantastic the thing I felt to say is that I'm so very proud of you. For your journey, your honesty, and candor when discussing the ugly parts of addiction. I'm sure this video will help many others too.
As a recovering alcoholic and gamer please keep up this series.
I’ve got a few games in mind - thanks for the words of encouragement. Thanks for watching and good luck in recovery ❤️🩹
For sure! Keep up the good work
My addiction is a porn addiction. I won't get too religious despite porn addiction legit brought me to God, and a lot of the help is from him, but I've been battling for about a year now. Maybe two.
This game really hit the nail on the head with how corruptive and destructive addiction of any form can be, and while alcohol and porn addiction are drastically separate, they're also very similar all at the same time.
But the part that really did the addiction best was the Miles vs Peter fight.
Porn made me feel calm and easy and let me have an escape to my loneliness, my severe anxiety, and my OCD. But it also made it worse when I didn't.
Porn made me pervasive and destroyed my view on what a relationship is, to a point that a relationship for me would just be about sex and that's it.
It got so bad I didn't even know what true genuine love, as a man, would be like, and I had no idea how to love.
It messed up the way I socialized, the way I viewed women, my self respect, it was total self sabotage.
"I need this suit, it makes me a better Spider-Man" was like me telling myself after reading a bunch of, what I didn't know was pseudoscience, articles saying "porn is good for you and is normal, embrace it" so "Porn is good for calming the nerves and relaxing, it can help you sleep and maybe even focus better"
"Porn makes me happier and less stressed"
But every day, I just was self destructing bit by bit.
The thing that saved me was a breakup. That breakup introduced my into lifting. My acknowledgement of embracing suffering and preserving naturally introduced me to God.
God introduced me to confidence. God introduced me to self reliance, self discipline, and the potential within me. I used to hate Him, and my battle with addiction that still is ongoing is weakening due to everything He has provided for me even when I hated Him and didn't even know that it was Him. But that's religious, not everyone is.
Long story short, short, quick solutions are temporary.
Confronting the issue head on consecutively over and over until you win is permanent. Take the hard way out. It's the most rewarding.
Can I just say how amazing it is that you are able to open up about this?
I can say, as an addict...who had sadly relapsed before...There is always hope, if you are willing to put in the work.
The Black Suit Spiderman arc has always for me been the best analogy for dealing with it. Because Peter always eventually take accountability and realizes where he's gone wrong, and resolves to be better. Venom on the other hand is what happens when someone never takes responsibility and abuses again and again.
No matter what...You keep trying, and a setback doesn't doom you.
I still have a long way to go, but it's good to remember I'm not slime wearing human skin.
Well said. A lot of failure along the path because it seems to always be trying to crawl back onto your skin. Unfortunately, the character flaw of addiction happens to be seemingly among the most demonized and monstrous in the eyes of those who know little to nothing about it - it makes it hard not to see ourselves as monsters rather than simply flawed (I.e. human) sometimes.
Thank you this! I’ve been waiting for someone to talk about this game, specifically, the message it’s trying to tell because I believe Insomniac is trying to send a deeper message than people realize. It doesn’t talk directly about addiction in the game/story. However, they said for the symbiote storyline, they took inspiration and had to do a lot of research on the behaviors of addiction and how it affects you and the people you love most. Sharing your story is something that will help so many people than you realize man including myself. As a person myself who has battled addiction, how it affected the people closest to me hits home!
This version of Spider-Man, particularly the Insomniac Spider-Man, is my favorite interpretation of Peter Parker/Spider-Man across all forms of media. When Insomniac discussed how the game would delve into darker themes such as addiction, and what it does to you and everyone you love. I realized that this game would resonate deeply with me on a personal level. Thank you once again as I can’t emphasize that enough! ❤️
#BeGreaterTogether🕷️🕸️🤟🏽
I agree - the big focus on his friends and how they were impacted by addiction was very well done (and hard to watch sometimes out of relatability).
If the video helps one person, I consider it a success :)
Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your insights. Keep fighting - together we got this ❤️🩹
I really like spectacular as well. I think this games issue is its third act, and venom as a villain in this game just doesn’t work as well as it should. I feel like this game had a really strong first act and the best second act in their 3 Spider-Man games, but literally right after kraven gets his head bitten off, the pacing and storytelling nosedives.
Harry as an antagonist doesn’t work because the storytellers can’t commit to the idea whether it’s the symbiote in the drivers seat (which is boring and generic no matter how cool the venom design is) or Harry and the symbiote working together as venom. The story wants to absolve the host of their responsibility while also trying to treat their actions as if it’s something heinous (with Harry, Peter and MJ as well)
Even from the leaked initial draft, it seems the only thing that they actually cared about the symbiote and venom as a whole is the fact that it’s an alien and that’s it. Very disappointing from insomniac to miss the mark on such an important story.
Peter corrupts the symbiote. The symbiote is young an immature and naive. It lashes out with a dejected Harry. How’s that not more interesting than a generic, I want to take over everything
You deserve more views!
Im glad you still think so haha
You should make videos about Spider-Man 3 and Spectactular Spider-Man’s Intervention
Never seen that Spectacular Spider-Man episode. I’ll definitely try to make something with that. Thanks for telling me about it.
This is honestly one of the best vids I watched about this game! Even though you don't love the game as much I did, you gave a very deep and heartfelt analysis about it and shared from destructive truths about your personnal life and about addiction that not only makes me love this game more for how well it handeld those themes and ideas. It also made me respect you for having the guts to open yourself up about your own struggles and how best to deal with them. 🙂😉👍🏼
Thanks for the kind words. I’m glad I added something more to your enjoyment of the game!
@@NonfictionGamer Your welcome. Keep the faith and stay strong.
I personally have not struggled with addiction to alcohol or any substance, but I think that connecting with people thru a medium like a game that people bond over while sharing your story is one of the coolest things I think the internet has gifted us in this modern age. Thanks for sharing and creating this video!
As an addict myself, to something that I'm not proud of...🌽...It's a process for me...really having to realize that being an addict, doesn't make me a bad person, and being free from it, isn't going to be easy...but that with support, and persistence, I can make it through anything, thank you for being so ooen, and congrats on sobriety, as i'm working on the same thing, being sober feels nice, not having to rely on watching that, all the time to feel something is also nice, you've gained a new subscriber. 😊
We can’t change the past. But it doesn’t have to be our future. Keep fighting along with me friend. Be well.
@@NonfictionGamer You to man, one day at a time, we got this! 😃
Alcohol was my drug of choice too. Glad you got better so you could make an impact like this! Helped me for sure. Thank you.
Glad some people are finding it helpful. Really appreciate you taking the time to make the kind comment - definitely motivates me to keep trying to make helpful videos.
Thanks for sharing , you the Hero 'round these parts 🥂
@@BoBurnham69 Bo!?! What are you doing outside??
Your video is amazing!
Thank you 🙏
The algorithm isn’t impressed haha.
Thank you so much for making this video bro. You helped me find the solution to my personal struggles. You shined light on the fact that the solution to my problems was in the game I have put so many hours into. Please keep making videos on this topic, and don't hesitate to share your own struggles as it has not only helped me but I’m sure you will help many more people in the future. Thank you
Glad you were able to find the video relatable. I've got ideas for more videos on the topic in the future. Thanks for taking the time to comment :)
Watched the whole entire video… no lie this is very touching ❤😢💯
Well what do you know, the algorithm actually recommends a good video.
If you think you'd be able to handle it, it would be interesting to hear your take on some of the times comics have dealt with addiction.
The main well known one is the "Demon in a Bottle" storyline from Iron Man.
It's from the late 70s, so it's probably more than a bit dated, but it's still considered one of the (if not THE) definitive Iron Man stories to comics fans.
When RDJ was cast, before the movie even came out, a lot of comics fans accepted his casting primarily on the fact he'd understand that part of the character.
I'll also mention the bit in the game where Peter tells Harry to "pop some more pills" is quite possibly a reference to the fact that Harry was addicted to pills (not sure it was ever specified what drugs) and even almost died from an overdose.
I'm not even sure it's really a storyline as it's from the days when comics were usually single issues, but it's still a part of the characters past.
Im definitely planning to do an Iron Man video at some point. Thanks for the comic recommendation, I’ll definitely be checking it out.
My girlfriend has an addiction to self harm her parents Are not helping her at all And She resorts to it when shes sad etc. This video really Is helping me to understand her ur Story is awesome And this video needs way more attention 🙌
I wonder why this video didn't get push from algorithm. Similar to your previous video, I have launched my Last of Us 2 analysis a few hours ago, let's see how it will fare. I personally loved the 2nd half of spiderman 2. In fact the final sections of the game is my absolute favourite and slightly edging out the 1st spiderman. This was somehwhat similar to LoU 2 - A more complex and deep story all around. Didnt wow me like LOU 2 of course but I also am thinking about creating an analysis on this game as well. Cheers mate. Im looking forward to your new videos
I will say I posted the TLoU2 video in the subreddit of the game so it got some clicks into it from outside RUclips which probably helped it think people liked it and were searching for it. I look forward to checking out your video.
@@NonfictionGamer Oh yeah. Let me post my video on reddit groups as well. Thanks for telling me that. I have gone to surprising depth in 10 mins in my analysis. I have attempted to discuss an angle of the story not many people pay enough attention to. I hope you like it.
now way it has this little views, i though more. Great video
Thank you 🙏
How is this not on trending
one persons video i watched said that cuz mj tried to get through to him that it gave miles the chance to help him im not sure what he ment by that though
Probably just meant he needed multiple people to help him. One person alone couldn’t have gotten through to him.
How did Norman have a symbiote on his body and there was a symbiote in the tank
I’m going with he came up with a way to just take part of the symbiote in the tank off (like cutting off a limb)…so there is certainly more out there. Beware. 😂
It was a nightmare, Norman didn’t actually have the symbiote
yeah miles and mj both saved him
Grabs popcorn 🍿😄
*Btw thank you for always sharing your story 🙏🏿💜 especially through this lens of the storytelling in gaming. "We must be better" 👊🏿
Thanks for watching. “We are not who we were.”
This video isn't getting enough attention
Facts
I hope you remain sober for as long as you can ❤
Thank you. I certainly will be trying.
I hated how they missed the core element that made the symbiote and venom interesting. The symbiote genuinely loved Peter, and wanted to make its host’s life better. It had no ulterior motives. It was immature and naive. It’s actually Peter who kind of corrupted the symbiote with his emotions. And then the symbiote lashes out with an angry, vengeful, and also selfish and immature host (Eddie)
There are so many scenes in the game, where the game specifically points out, oh it was the alien controlling me I had no say and that’s all. That’s so bad.
It also devalues the addiction theme. Yes addiction makes you different and literally act like another person. But it’s still you in a ducked up way.
the anti venom thing is also such a massive disappointment. I have all the powers, but none of the side effects. Sounds like a 11 year old kids fantasy, but it kind of devalues the theme of addiction once again, but I excuse it cause it really ties in mr negative, miles, and Peter’s story well while also being a good gameplay idea to reuse symbiote. I don’t like how rushed it is in the game, because we never even see Peter struggling against venom without the anti venom
I totally agree they tried to fit way too much into this game storywise. Everything was very surface level as a result.