CORRECTION: The prices mentioned at around the 4:00 mark are actually in EUROS, not British Pounds The first iteration of my "SimuCUBE Set-Up Guide" is now LIVE! simracingpaddock.com/simucube-open-sim-wheel-sim-setup-guide/ Sorry for the delay, I wanted to dive a little deeper into the information on how to set up the wheel, as opposed to just giving you a couple "Recommended Settings". I wanted to try to let you know what each setting does, so you can be better informed.
have the 20nm version and absolutely can't recommend it enough. I was blown away how it compared to my G25. After nearly 10 years on the G25 i could not believe how much better, stronger this motor is. It is definitely worth the investment. I got mine from SRT here in the UK. As will said, you need a sturdy cockpit as it will shake the hell out of most consumer cockpits. I have a P1 from Simlabs so its a match made in heaven. Well done on the video Will, big thumbs up.
Great video! I'm returning to simracing after a 8 year "break" and I'm happy to have your channel when I did, very high quality video/audio and information. +1 subscriber.
How are you coping with all the attention from women now you have a DD wheel? I found since getting mine It's been really hard letting them down, I can appreciate now what it's like for world-class footballers. ( Also why are you posting at 8am GMT ? GET OUT OF MY TIME ZONE AMERCAN BOY)
Great review, definitely going to start looking at DD next year but I’ll be waiting to see what the Fanatec and feel VR offerings are like first. Hopefully the completion will send prices plummeting, then I to can start swatting away the ladies who love a sweaty “I sit on my arse Sim racing to much” bum 👍
GM, How did you manage to stay alive after being chased by all those German blondies? I can tell you I sometimes forget some of their names although I only have a Fanatec Clubsport VIRGIN TOO! 😂 😭 😭 😭
I used to have it by my feet, but it was a little too impractical with my seating position. The way I have it in the video makes it easily accessible in case anything bad happens.
fetB having it at my feet now for a week I disagree. I flick my right foot to the right and it’s off without even having to take my hands off the wheel. Also anytime I’ve had to hit the emergency stop was while still holding the wheel (with all my strength) and being able to cut power without having to let go is perfect.
The idea is if you get your hand cough in the wheel rim your other hand might not be able to get to the stop , hence put it were your feet can hit it , obviously DONT put it in a position we’re you accidentally hit it .
nice review bro. if you want try raising your sequential shifter so the top of the nob is on the way half way mark of your steering wheel. Makes shifting much more comfortable, and quicker.
I have a SimRacingBay Small MiGE (20Nm). Stepped up from a Fanatec CSW v2. Honestly, when I first tried it, I was quite disappointed. People on youtube taut it as a revolution, but I can't say that it struck me as more than an overpriced evolution over the v2. From all I heard, I expected it to do to ffb and racing what going from black and white to full colour would do for movie-watching... what I found was a far more gentle progression. Could be that the v2 is just that good, I don't know. With time, I have come to appreciate the OSW more, but I still find most talk of how good DD wheels are is rather exaggerated. Don't get me wrong, the OSW is still the best wheel I ever used, but the difference is just more subtle than what everybody is saying. The big differentiators are the quickness in response (not very noticeable at first, but when you start catching slides you didn't before, you start noticing it) and the dynamic range, which you notice on your first lap of Spa or similar high DF tracks. With the v2 the amount the wheel would load up during cornering was the same across similar corners, but it is readily obvious with the OSW that this corner is a marginally higher speed, higher DF corner than the others - for instance Eau Rouge and the bottom of Fuchsrohre feel different from Blanchimont and the Karusell, etc. Every corner gains better definition and character as its nuances are reflected in the way the car loads up and how heavy the wheel gets in your hands. Now, _that_ is like seeing in high def for the first time, for sure... but it's a detail. The character of the ffb is up to the game and feels very much the same. Going to the DD I expected to feel more effects more often. I guess I expected a subtle vibration from the road and to feel tiny details in the texture, which maybe didn't come through on other wheels, but that's not the case. It's the same effects as I got through the Fanatec v2, mostly playing out exactly the same with similar strength - I have mine dialed in between 15 and 60% depending on the car (a road car will have a light wheel to simulate servo steering, a GT racer will be heavier, an open wheeler will be heaviest, etc) and there is no reason to go any higher than 60% in most cases. You just get an unnecessarily heavy wheel, which is a struggle to turn even in slow corners and not at all realistic. Even at 60% the wheel is heavier, where it needs to be, than the v2 ever was and feels better in those situations. Overall, yeah, great wheel, but I disagree with the sweeping statements youtubers are prone to, when it comes to describing/selling them. If you're on a T500 or a v2 or v2.5, you're not actually missing out on a lot and the ROI on upgrading it will be minor, imho. As with all other high-end equipment, the higher up the scale you go, the more expensive it gets for smaller and smaller gains.
Riman Dude I had the very same thought when I first used my OSW - was expecting something transformative but compared to my TS-PC racer it initially felt largely the same. However the first high DF car I drove it suddenly done things my old wheel couldn’t and then after tweaking FFB it got even better. I actually found the effects of bumps and kerbs too strong through it at first in that they were detracting from my ability to control the car. However it’s the precision of it that really made the difference as all steering inputs became much more intuitive. Finally clipping is something I never have to worry about and no matter what the wheel is otherwise doing, every detail comes through. So Dynamic range, precision, much better experience in high DF cars and, unless you are the hulk and run inhumanly high FFB, every detail always being felt, is the difference. Oh and robustness, reliability and re-sale value - that small midge feels unbreakable and if I’m still healthy enough, I could see me still using it in 20 years time!
For sure! The smoothness and the lack of _any_ kind of drag, when the motor is turned off, are mesmerizing! Compared to this, even my old v2 feels very notchy, both when simply turning, but also just when ffb comes through. So, a qualitative upgrade in that sense, for sure, but... a very minor one. That is, I have had a _bunch_ of wheels by now, and where the CSR-E and CSWv1 were rather notchy feeling, the CSWv2 is nowhere near as notchy in its feel. I haven't owned any Thrustmaster wheels, so I can't speak about those, but I have a friend, who owns a T500 and tells me it compares very favourably to my old CSWv2. As for precision, I can't say I have felt any difference. Both wheels are quite precise. Lack of clipping plays into the dynamic range I mentioned already. No question about the "this will never die and will retain its value" aspect of things - but that's something you bear in mind, when you make a choice for what wheel to choose, and, if we're honest, it is almost always a second tier consideration compared to the sheer feel you are promised. The simple fact of the matter is that the way people talk about these wheels, they sound like the second coming.. and build quality aside, the experience in various games will feel very familiar and similar for most people coming from the high-end belt driven wheels. The main thing that feels different, once you dial in a strength/weight that suits you, is really just the dynamic range coming into play, when the car loads up in different corners. People keep mentioning the high details/fidelity even under load (lack of clipping and the wheel having the headroom to play with the effects despite being under heavy load), but in all honesty, I haven't really noticed this myself. Might be because the right combination of heavy-g cornering and bumps/kerbs hasn't occurred to me yet. Could also be that this wasn't an issue for me on the CSWv2 anyway and as such, I don't really feel much of a difference with the OSW. As for the "magic bullet, dd saves all slides" bs, forget about it. If you were crap at drifting before, a dd is not going to change that. It reacts a tiny bit faster than a belt-driven wheel, that's it. It certainly helps and I will be the first to admit I catch a lot more slides after having tuned in to what the wheel does, but it's not a hero-mode pay-2-win kind of deal. It's just not. If people buy one with those expectations, which are kinda put out there by some youtubers, they will get rather disappointed.
Riman The T300 was the smoothest belt driven wheel I had (I also think it’s the best value wheel you can buy, period; forgetting the awful pedals that is lol). The PC-Racer wasn’t actually as smooth but yeah I forgot about the lack of drag on DD. The one thing I disagree with you on is the precision which I noticed immediately and I’m noticeably more consistent than I used to be. But you made a good point that needed to be said tbh so hats off for doing so. Having been into my hi-fo separates many moons ago I seen similar things in that past a point the returns diminished quickly but listening to reviewers you’d think the differences were chalk and cheese. I’m still very happy to have my DD wheel but if the 7Nm one had been out when I was buying I’d likely have had that as it’s more than enough and you still get the bonuses of DD for half the money. Personally I think DD is going to mainly be in the 7-12NM game in the next few years as it’ll be cheaper and peeps will realise, more than enough (with all the benefits DD brings still entact).
E: directed @Riman I'm confused. On one hand you say that you were disappointed that you didn't get to see a movie in color, but then go on to say "it's the best", "Every corner gains better definition and character" and even call it mesmerizing and the v2 in comparison very notchy. You're describing it as the same revolution those reviews you hold at fault for tricking you into buying an overpriced evolution of the v2. Your issue, as you describe yourself but seem to not realize is, that the DD can't make up FFB effects on its own. Btw, there is no roadfeel IRL. Some sims allow you to artificially add them which will be translated into the wheel then for your colorful enjoyment. Anyway, you also conveniently leave out factors that are typically noted in reviews too, like an essentially lifetime operational base, which makes a good ROI if you have to buy a new v2 after 5 years or whatever. You also have the option of a level of immersion in terms of simulating un-assisted cars like Indycars you simply cannot with anything weaker. Sorry, but that's just your own projected and made up expectations that were not met and not the fault of the reviewers trying to describe the device, or even the DD builders for that matter..
fetB Id take more time to actually read what he said as your accusations are misplaced. He makes a very good point that should have been made before. I disagree with him on some details but like it or not his core argument is correct. Finally “no road feel in real life” - eh?!? Every car I’ve ever driven gives feedback from the road, via the steering but mainly your bum and FFB roadfeel is mainly to recreate that SoP you get in real life. Sorry dude but your comments show a distinct lack of knowledge on what you’re talking about so I’d educate myself a bit before attacking others for simply voicing their opinion.
Great review Will. I noticed you are using that Fanatec GT rim with the universal hub, and I thought I'd pick your brain about it, even if it's not directly related to the topic of this video. I decided to take the plunge and pre-order a Fanatec DD1, and I am having trouble deciding on a first all-around rim. I am bouncing between what you're using (minus the Forza branding ;) ) or the BMW GT2 rim. How are you liking your wheel, and its button box? Is there a case to be made for one of their other wheels with integrated buttons?
Top review, and of course agree on all counts. I actually forgot it has ports to plug items into... but what peripherals do work when connecting via the base unit?
Cool review! Im in the market for a DD wheel, thinking about this one or the upcoming Fanatec Podium. Fanatec for plug and play, and this one for raw quality and power. Little afraid of Fanatec though because of RMA horror story’s on reddit
I've never had a bit of trouble from Fanatec customer service. They are prompt, helpful, and work with you to get the issue resolved, even if you ask for a different solution from their standard response. (I had a spring break on my CSS v1.5, and they wanted me to send it back for repair. In the interest of time, I asked if they could just send me the spring and I'd fix it, and they obliged, which was very nice.) My guess is some of these horror stories are coming from other countries, because in the US, they've been fantastic for me. Their live chat is really good as well.
Thanks for you're response. I'm in Europe, should be fine here also because Fanatec is located in Germany. Think I'm jumping in and going for the DD1 :)
I’m 13, running on PS4 with a G29 😂 hope to upgrade to a PC and a DD if not, a better wheel, still enjoy watching these review videos even though I’m not looking for one, keep it up.
You could get a Fanatec CSL Elite wheel or Thrustmaster t500rs that works on PC and PS4, then get a descent PC. I'm assuming you already have a rig of some sort whether it is something like a playseat or a sim rig.
One thing is worth mentioning, (I only read it so I hope it is true and not a propaganda) Is that Simracingbay is selling the OSW for the cost of the hardware components and only a tiny small margin of profit. If this is true, I would be really impressed by those guys, letting people sell LESS children to enter the simracing world.
I am looking for the most realistic feel. I like the resolution of the Biss-C encoder, but Accuforce’s software gives a ton of adjustability. I’m just worried with the lower power of the AF wheel, you may lose some detail. Thoughts?
I've never tested out the AccuForce myself, but judging from what I've heard from outlets such as The Simpit, GamerMuscle (from his recent video), and Sim Racing Garage, it sounds like the common consensus is that the AF loses out on detail and feels slightly "grainier". It sounds like I will be getting the Biss-C Encoder next week, so I'll be excited to test it out, and share my thoughts :)
The Accuforce v2 has a "stepper hybrid motor" as they call it. In earlier versions they used a 1.8° stepper motor so it was very notchy and grainy compared to every other DD Wheel. The new motor should be more smooth but still lacking behind. The positional feedback of the Accuforce is 16,000 ppr (pulses per revolution) or 64,000 cpr (counts per revolution) with a 16 bit resolution. The Simucube OSW has 4,200,000 cpr (1,050,000 ppr and 22-bit resolution).. that's 65 times more than the accuforce v2. So it's much more precise. Leo Bodnar also has 4,2mil cpr. The Accuforce v2 (13Nm, only control box and motor) is at 899$ (775€) while the Simucube OSW Small MiGe (20Nm) is currently at 949€. That's really a no-brainer to me. In comparison tests the accuforce always falls behind every other DD wheel in terms of smoothness, feel and feedback. (At the Fanatec Podium event they had a bench with CSW 2.5, Accuforce v2, OSW small MiGe and Podium DD1 for direct comparison). The Accuforce software is quite good, being able to iron out some shortcomings of the hardware. Somehow like "Beats by Dre" or "Bose" ironing out their lower tier hardware with fancy set up built-in EQs to cover the shortcomings (give the people some pumping bass and exaggerated EQing and they'll forget).
The Accuforce V2 has the exact same motor as the V1. The differences between the V1 and V2 are essentially cosmetic - although the V2 is missing the V1's usb ports.
Quick question, im about to order an OSW And cant decide on motor, is the small mige enough or do you wish you got Bigger? Im coming from a G29 is the difference really that big?
I've gotta correct you on your statement that "What matters for sim racing is peak torque." Peak torque on these motors is typically achieved when running at 3000 RPM. That is far, far beyond what would ever be useful for our application. What matters most is the STALL torque, which on the large MiGe is 15 NM as per the white papers. That is how hard it will pull against you while you stall the motor, or resist allowing it to spin. (FYI, the biggest Kollmorgen on the Leo Bodnar setup stalls at 10NM.) Direct Drive wheel manufacturers, along with belt and gear manufacturers love to quote peak torque, they just don't mention that it can never be achieved on a sim rig, where the motor never goes beyond about 125 rpm. I appreciate Fanatec trying to fight against this false advertising by actually listing stall torque as the main measurement on their upcoming wheels. The Accuforce also lists stall torque, if IRC.
What the CRAP are you even talking about? What does that opinionated statement have to do with anything I said? When have they ever "trash talked" anyone? Or acted like a big dude? Links or GTFO. I said nothing for or against Fanatec, simply that they were actually being honest with their torque ratings. Some people.
lol, some people.... because its your opinion, it isn't speaking in favor of? It literally is exactly that. Quote: I appreciate Fanatec trying to fight against this false advertising" . They do that because it has become common knowledge in the community. Otherwise they would state peak numbers just as anyone else... Apparently you haven't seen the podium release video... links you can look up yourself
I’m currently in the DD market, and going back and forth between this wheel and the Accuforce. I wish I could test drive them to see the difference. Any insight or opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Price and power, they are both great wheels. If you are seeing yourself as a power user wanting the 1:1 feel and fear of potentially getting injured then OSW all the way it's a beast. If you are looking for adjustability and performance with a great feeling wheel at an awesome price point, with just a bit of the fear removed (it can still hurt but can be controlled to an extent, compared to) then AF. So it's budget, power and what you feel will ultimately suit your needs. Then there is the Fanatec DD wheel soon to be released but that's a waiting game with an untested/unfinished product. If you are ready to pull the trigger these are proven products with their own pros and cons. The only advice I can give is don't get caught up in all the power talk, very few are running these wheels at super high power levels. So as I started it's price or power and your needs and wants.
Tony Woodside I got my 20Nm one from Sim-plicity but I’d take a look at their 7Nm DD one they have now. If it had been out when I got mine I’d have went for it instead. DD for the price of a clubsport v2.5 anyone? ;)
Most reviewers I've seen that don't have a dog in the fight have said the Accuforce is not as good as the OSW, with a more notchy feeling and less precision. GamerMuscle and Sim Racing Garage have both said this in comparison videos. Accuforce uses a stepper motor, which is fundamentally inferior to a servo motor, no matter how much they try to hide it with software.
The notchyness that people are attributing to the Stepper Motor is not nearly noticeable with this wheel. If you take this motor by the shaft and spin it powered up or not, there is virtually nothing so that it's not worth mentioning and definitely not going to be felt when the wheel is set up properly. Can this wheel be set up with a notchy feel most definitely to the point that a person would think that the shaft is broke or a bearing blew out. I'm not saying that it's not there, after all, it is a stepper but it is taken soo far out of context and for people that felt other stepper motors and not this one can be put off. And the SC4 software is second to none, again many get intimidated by it but again it's not that bad once you get into it. For me the biggest limiting factor is the power output, for the few power users it will fall short no doubt, and at the current price point it's hard to beat.
Good vid. Want one!!! I do not understand the price of some of the sim racing stuff though. The price of the osw equipment (the small setups) actually seems quite reasonable when you price out all the other things that are needed! After all if you're buying an osw you'll want higher end pedals/wheel/wheel plate/QR/ etc etc etc
if you're starting from scratch and want a DD wheel with descent pedals, a gear shifter and a rig to put it on, you're looking at near £2000 and that's not factoring a monitor and a capable computer.
That wall scrape totally caught me off guard there! That was my first race using triples in like 2 months, so I misjudged how much room I had between my car and the wall 😂
![SimRacingBay - SimuCube Based OSW KIT + Mige (20NM) + BISS-C + CM10010 Case [GER | ENG]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HHTV2oPDzhA/mqdefault.jpg)
CORRECTION: The prices mentioned at around the 4:00 mark are actually in EUROS, not British Pounds
The first iteration of my "SimuCUBE Set-Up Guide" is now LIVE!
simracingpaddock.com/simucube-open-sim-wheel-sim-setup-guide/
Sorry for the delay, I wanted to dive a little deeper into the information on how to set up the wheel, as opposed to just giving you a couple "Recommended Settings". I wanted to try to let you know what each setting does, so you can be better informed.
waiting for it
Me too
Today maybe? I just got my OSW 30nM yesterday, looking for some good setups William! Please :-)
The OSW Guide is now LIVE!
simracingpaddock.com/simucube-open-sim-wheel-sim-setup-guide/
I will update later this week with some more settings
Your reviews have really stepped up in quality compared to a few years ago. Love this channel, keep it up!
Agree, its a shame his choice in hockey team is still crap though.
It's absolutely crazy looking back at videos from a couple years ago, and thinking "THAT'S how I sounded like?!" 😂
have the 20nm version and absolutely can't recommend it enough. I was blown away how it compared to my G25. After nearly 10 years on the G25 i could not believe how much better, stronger this motor is. It is definitely worth the investment. I got mine from SRT here in the UK. As will said, you need a sturdy cockpit as it will shake the hell out of most consumer cockpits. I have a P1 from Simlabs so its a match made in heaven. Well done on the video Will, big thumbs up.
Great video! I'm returning to simracing after a 8 year "break" and I'm happy to have your channel when I did, very high quality video/audio and information. +1 subscriber.
How are you coping with all the attention from women now you have a DD wheel? I found since getting mine It's been really hard letting them down, I can appreciate now what it's like for world-class footballers. ( Also why are you posting at 8am GMT ? GET OUT OF MY TIME ZONE AMERCAN BOY)
@GamerMuscleVideos I saw Mat had you guys partying like rock stars in Germany! Highly entertaining content :)
Great review, definitely going to start looking at DD next year but I’ll be waiting to see what the Fanatec and feel VR offerings are like first.
Hopefully the completion will send prices plummeting, then I to can start swatting away the ladies who love a sweaty “I sit on my arse Sim racing to much” bum 👍
GM, How did you manage to stay alive after being chased by all those German blondies?
I can tell you I sometimes forget some of their names although I only have a Fanatec Clubsport VIRGIN TOO! 😂 😭 😭 😭
Seriously, average UK women maybe a 3/10 Average german woman 7/10. Must be something magic about the beer and bread they eat.
@@GamerMuscleVideos Cheer up GM, finally you met Matt thanks to your DD.
You should have the emergency STOP down at your feet , this is extremely important, think about it , it really make sense.
Good review.
I used to have it by my feet, but it was a little too impractical with my seating position. The way I have it in the video makes it easily accessible in case anything bad happens.
joe good idea dude!!
best is to mounted on the side of the seat/frame. Simple move down and easy to leverage
fetB having it at my feet now for a week I disagree. I flick my right foot to the right and it’s off without even having to take my hands off the wheel. Also anytime I’ve had to hit the emergency stop was while still holding the wheel (with all my strength) and being able to cut power without having to let go is perfect.
The idea is if you get your hand cough in the wheel rim your other hand might not be able to get to the stop , hence put it were your feet can hit it , obviously DONT put it in a position we’re you accidentally hit it .
Great review! Awesome wheel. Time to start saving. 😊 Interesting to see how the DD fanatec will compete against it
I should be getting the Podium wheel closer to release, so I should be able to provide input in the future
Sim Racing Paddock looking forward to hearing your thoughts/review on the podium. 👍 Keep up the good work!
since its got a motor designed for simracing unlike OSW who can only use what exist, it should blow it out of the water
nice review bro. if you want try raising your sequential shifter so the top of the nob is on the way half way mark of your steering wheel. Makes shifting much more comfortable, and quicker.
What a great review! you covered everything as always. Keep up the great work!
I have a SimRacingBay Small MiGE (20Nm). Stepped up from a Fanatec CSW v2. Honestly, when I first tried it, I was quite disappointed. People on youtube taut it as a revolution, but I can't say that it struck me as more than an overpriced evolution over the v2. From all I heard, I expected it to do to ffb and racing what going from black and white to full colour would do for movie-watching... what I found was a far more gentle progression. Could be that the v2 is just that good, I don't know. With time, I have come to appreciate the OSW more, but I still find most talk of how good DD wheels are is rather exaggerated. Don't get me wrong, the OSW is still the best wheel I ever used, but the difference is just more subtle than what everybody is saying.
The big differentiators are the quickness in response (not very noticeable at first, but when you start catching slides you didn't before, you start noticing it) and the dynamic range, which you notice on your first lap of Spa or similar high DF tracks. With the v2 the amount the wheel would load up during cornering was the same across similar corners, but it is readily obvious with the OSW that this corner is a marginally higher speed, higher DF corner than the others - for instance Eau Rouge and the bottom of Fuchsrohre feel different from Blanchimont and the Karusell, etc. Every corner gains better definition and character as its nuances are reflected in the way the car loads up and how heavy the wheel gets in your hands. Now, _that_ is like seeing in high def for the first time, for sure... but it's a detail. The character of the ffb is up to the game and feels very much the same.
Going to the DD I expected to feel more effects more often. I guess I expected a subtle vibration from the road and to feel tiny details in the texture, which maybe didn't come through on other wheels, but that's not the case. It's the same effects as I got through the Fanatec v2, mostly playing out exactly the same with similar strength - I have mine dialed in between 15 and 60% depending on the car (a road car will have a light wheel to simulate servo steering, a GT racer will be heavier, an open wheeler will be heaviest, etc) and there is no reason to go any higher than 60% in most cases. You just get an unnecessarily heavy wheel, which is a struggle to turn even in slow corners and not at all realistic. Even at 60% the wheel is heavier, where it needs to be, than the v2 ever was and feels better in those situations.
Overall, yeah, great wheel, but I disagree with the sweeping statements youtubers are prone to, when it comes to describing/selling them. If you're on a T500 or a v2 or v2.5, you're not actually missing out on a lot and the ROI on upgrading it will be minor, imho. As with all other high-end equipment, the higher up the scale you go, the more expensive it gets for smaller and smaller gains.
Riman Dude I had the very same thought when I first used my OSW - was expecting something transformative but compared to my TS-PC racer it initially felt largely the same. However the first high DF car I drove it suddenly done things my old wheel couldn’t and then after tweaking FFB it got even better. I actually found the effects of bumps and kerbs too strong through it at first in that they were detracting from my ability to control the car. However it’s the precision of it that really made the difference as all steering inputs became much more intuitive. Finally clipping is something I never have to worry about and no matter what the wheel is otherwise doing, every detail comes through. So Dynamic range, precision, much better experience in high DF cars and, unless you are the hulk and run inhumanly high FFB, every detail always being felt, is the difference. Oh and robustness, reliability and re-sale value - that small midge feels unbreakable and if I’m still healthy enough, I could see me still using it in 20 years time!
For sure! The smoothness and the lack of _any_ kind of drag, when the motor is turned off, are mesmerizing! Compared to this, even my old v2 feels very notchy, both when simply turning, but also just when ffb comes through. So, a qualitative upgrade in that sense, for sure, but... a very minor one. That is, I have had a _bunch_ of wheels by now, and where the CSR-E and CSWv1 were rather notchy feeling, the CSWv2 is nowhere near as notchy in its feel. I haven't owned any Thrustmaster wheels, so I can't speak about those, but I have a friend, who owns a T500 and tells me it compares very favourably to my old CSWv2. As for precision, I can't say I have felt any difference. Both wheels are quite precise. Lack of clipping plays into the dynamic range I mentioned already. No question about the "this will never die and will retain its value" aspect of things - but that's something you bear in mind, when you make a choice for what wheel to choose, and, if we're honest, it is almost always a second tier consideration compared to the sheer feel you are promised. The simple fact of the matter is that the way people talk about these wheels, they sound like the second coming.. and build quality aside, the experience in various games will feel very familiar and similar for most people coming from the high-end belt driven wheels. The main thing that feels different, once you dial in a strength/weight that suits you, is really just the dynamic range coming into play, when the car loads up in different corners. People keep mentioning the high details/fidelity even under load (lack of clipping and the wheel having the headroom to play with the effects despite being under heavy load), but in all honesty, I haven't really noticed this myself. Might be because the right combination of heavy-g cornering and bumps/kerbs hasn't occurred to me yet. Could also be that this wasn't an issue for me on the CSWv2 anyway and as such, I don't really feel much of a difference with the OSW. As for the "magic bullet, dd saves all slides" bs, forget about it. If you were crap at drifting before, a dd is not going to change that. It reacts a tiny bit faster than a belt-driven wheel, that's it. It certainly helps and I will be the first to admit I catch a lot more slides after having tuned in to what the wheel does, but it's not a hero-mode pay-2-win kind of deal. It's just not. If people buy one with those expectations, which are kinda put out there by some youtubers, they will get rather disappointed.
Riman The T300 was the smoothest belt driven wheel I had (I also think it’s the best value wheel you can buy, period; forgetting the awful pedals that is lol). The PC-Racer wasn’t actually as smooth but yeah I forgot about the lack of drag on DD. The one thing I disagree with you on is the precision which I noticed immediately and I’m noticeably more consistent than I used to be. But you made a good point that needed to be said tbh so hats off for doing so. Having been into my hi-fo separates many moons ago I seen similar things in that past a point the returns diminished quickly but listening to reviewers you’d think the differences were chalk and cheese. I’m still very happy to have my DD wheel but if the 7Nm one had been out when I was buying I’d likely have had that as it’s more than enough and you still get the bonuses of DD for half the money. Personally I think DD is going to mainly be in the 7-12NM game in the next few years as it’ll be cheaper and peeps will realise, more than enough (with all the benefits DD brings still entact).
E: directed @Riman
I'm confused. On one hand you say that you were disappointed that you didn't get to see a movie in color, but then go on to say "it's the best", "Every corner gains better definition and character" and even call it mesmerizing and the v2 in comparison very notchy. You're describing it as the same revolution those reviews you hold at fault for tricking you into buying an overpriced evolution of the v2.
Your issue, as you describe yourself but seem to not realize is, that the DD can't make up FFB effects on its own. Btw, there is no roadfeel IRL. Some sims allow you to artificially add them which will be translated into the wheel then for your colorful enjoyment.
Anyway, you also conveniently leave out factors that are typically noted in reviews too, like an essentially lifetime operational base, which makes a good ROI if you have to buy a new v2 after 5 years or whatever. You also have the option of a level of immersion in terms of simulating un-assisted cars like Indycars you simply cannot with anything weaker.
Sorry, but that's just your own projected and made up expectations that were not met and not the fault of the reviewers trying to describe the device, or even the DD builders for that matter..
fetB Id take more time to actually read what he said as your accusations are misplaced. He makes a very good point that should have been made before. I disagree with him on some details but like it or not his core argument is correct. Finally “no road feel in real life” - eh?!? Every car I’ve ever driven gives feedback from the road, via the steering but mainly your bum and FFB roadfeel is mainly to recreate that SoP you get in real life. Sorry dude but your comments show a distinct lack of knowledge on what you’re talking about so I’d educate myself a bit before attacking others for simply voicing their opinion.
Can you please update the linked SimuCUBE setup guide for iRacing, as we got a new slider and other changes within FFB in the December update?
Great review Will.
I noticed you are using that Fanatec GT rim with the universal hub, and I thought I'd pick your brain about it, even if it's not directly related to the topic of this video. I decided to take the plunge and pre-order a Fanatec DD1, and I am having trouble deciding on a first all-around rim.
I am bouncing between what you're using (minus the Forza branding ;) ) or the BMW GT2 rim. How are you liking your wheel, and its button box? Is there a case to be made for one of their other wheels with integrated buttons?
Top review, and of course agree on all counts. I actually forgot it has ports to plug items into... but what peripherals do work when connecting via the base unit?
For DIY builders, what case do you recommend for the control box(IONI, Simucube board, PSU)? Simracingbay no longer sells one
Great review on the OSW, DD wheel base.
Cool review!
Im in the market for a DD wheel, thinking about this one or the upcoming Fanatec Podium. Fanatec for plug and play, and this one for raw quality and power. Little afraid of Fanatec though because of RMA horror story’s on reddit
I've never had a bit of trouble from Fanatec customer service. They are prompt, helpful, and work with you to get the issue resolved, even if you ask for a different solution from their standard response. (I had a spring break on my CSS v1.5, and they wanted me to send it back for repair. In the interest of time, I asked if they could just send me the spring and I'd fix it, and they obliged, which was very nice.)
My guess is some of these horror stories are coming from other countries, because in the US, they've been fantastic for me. Their live chat is really good as well.
Thanks for you're response. I'm in Europe, should be fine here also because Fanatec is located in Germany. Think I'm jumping in and going for the DD1 :)
You mention, that you use it on 30% ... where you set it to 30% ... in the Simucube Software or inside iRacing?
I have the old software not Simicube. So do I need to change a board inside? Please say no! I'm scared
I’m 13, running on PS4 with a G29 😂 hope to upgrade to a PC and a DD if not, a better wheel, still enjoy watching these review videos even though I’m not looking for one, keep it up.
You could get a Fanatec CSL Elite wheel or Thrustmaster t500rs that works on PC and PS4, then get a descent PC. I'm assuming you already have a rig of some sort whether it is something like a playseat or a sim rig.
Anton Peterson yeah, that’s a good idea. I just need the funds for a PC, slowly getting there. I’ve joined many leagues on PS4in the mean time.
Not sure if you are British but you can spec a pc from the website PC Specialist
Anton Peterson I’m in the US and I heard about something like that, it’s most likely what I’ll do, probably for Christmas.
@@gtpl1789 Main Performance PC is a site I've heard of
I was looking at the sim lab website and was wondering how much would the shipping cost be
One thing is worth mentioning, (I only read it so I hope it is true and not a propaganda) Is that Simracingbay is selling the OSW for the cost of the hardware components and only a tiny small margin of profit.
If this is true, I would be really impressed by those guys, letting people sell LESS children to enter the simracing world.
With the updates to SimUcube, I wonder what William would say if he were to take another look at the OSW?
I should be able to test and do a comparison between SC1 vs SC2 in the near future, so stay tuned ;)
I am looking for the most realistic feel. I like the resolution of the Biss-C encoder, but Accuforce’s software gives a ton of adjustability. I’m just worried with the lower power of the AF wheel, you may lose some detail. Thoughts?
I've never tested out the AccuForce myself, but judging from what I've heard from outlets such as The Simpit, GamerMuscle (from his recent video), and Sim Racing Garage, it sounds like the common consensus is that the AF loses out on detail and feels slightly "grainier". It sounds like I will be getting the Biss-C Encoder next week, so I'll be excited to test it out, and share my thoughts :)
Sim Racing Paddock I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Keep up the good work on the channel.
The Accuforce v2 has a "stepper hybrid motor" as they call it. In earlier versions they used a 1.8° stepper motor so it was very notchy and grainy compared to every other DD Wheel. The new motor should be more smooth but still lacking behind. The positional feedback of the Accuforce is 16,000 ppr (pulses per revolution) or 64,000 cpr (counts per revolution) with a 16 bit resolution. The Simucube OSW has 4,200,000 cpr (1,050,000 ppr and 22-bit resolution).. that's 65 times more than the accuforce v2. So it's much more precise. Leo Bodnar also has 4,2mil cpr.
The Accuforce v2 (13Nm, only control box and motor) is at 899$ (775€) while the Simucube OSW Small MiGe (20Nm) is currently at 949€. That's really a no-brainer to me.
In comparison tests the accuforce always falls behind every other DD wheel in terms of smoothness, feel and feedback. (At the Fanatec Podium event they had a bench with CSW 2.5, Accuforce v2, OSW small MiGe and Podium DD1 for direct comparison).
The Accuforce software is quite good, being able to iron out some shortcomings of the hardware. Somehow like "Beats by Dre" or "Bose" ironing out their lower tier hardware with fancy set up built-in EQs to cover the shortcomings (give the people some pumping bass and exaggerated EQing and they'll forget).
Tintop Wow! Perfect answer. That pretty much answers my questions. Thank you!
The Accuforce V2 has the exact same motor as the V1. The differences between the V1 and V2 are essentially cosmetic - although the V2 is missing the V1's usb ports.
Quick question, im about to order an OSW And cant decide on motor, is the small mige enough or do you wish you got Bigger? Im coming from a G29 is the difference really that big?
I am wondering the same thing
Mr sim racing paddock. Was this wheel base given to you as a gift. This information would be greatly appreciated.
I've gotta correct you on your statement that "What matters for sim racing is peak torque." Peak torque on these motors is typically achieved when running at 3000 RPM. That is far, far beyond what would ever be useful for our application. What matters most is the STALL torque, which on the large MiGe is 15 NM as per the white papers. That is how hard it will pull against you while you stall the motor, or resist allowing it to spin. (FYI, the biggest Kollmorgen on the Leo Bodnar setup stalls at 10NM.)
Direct Drive wheel manufacturers, along with belt and gear manufacturers love to quote peak torque, they just don't mention that it can never be achieved on a sim rig, where the motor never goes beyond about 125 rpm.
I appreciate Fanatec trying to fight against this false advertising by actually listing stall torque as the main measurement on their upcoming wheels. The Accuforce also lists stall torque, if IRC.
well, fanatec had all the time observing while at the same time trash talking OSW's, just to then act like the big dude... real nice indeed.
What the CRAP are you even talking about? What does that opinionated statement have to do with anything I said? When have they ever "trash talked" anyone? Or acted like a big dude? Links or GTFO. I said nothing for or against Fanatec, simply that they were actually being honest with their torque ratings. Some people.
lol, some people.... because its your opinion, it isn't speaking in favor of? It literally is exactly that.
Quote: I appreciate Fanatec trying to fight against this false advertising" . They do that because it has become common knowledge in the community. Otherwise they would state peak numbers just as anyone else...
Apparently you haven't seen the podium release video... links you can look up yourself
I’m currently in the DD market, and going back and forth between this wheel and the Accuforce. I wish I could test drive them to see the difference. Any insight or opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Price and power, they are both great wheels. If you are seeing yourself as a power user wanting the 1:1 feel and fear of potentially getting injured then OSW all the way it's a beast. If you are looking for adjustability and performance with a great feeling wheel at an awesome price point, with just a bit of the fear removed (it can still hurt but can be controlled to an extent, compared to) then AF. So it's budget, power and what you feel will ultimately suit your needs. Then there is the Fanatec DD wheel soon to be released but that's a waiting game with an untested/unfinished product. If you are ready to pull the trigger these are proven products with their own pros and cons. The only advice I can give is don't get caught up in all the power talk, very few are running these wheels at super high power levels. So as I started it's price or power and your needs and wants.
Tony Woodside I got my 20Nm one from Sim-plicity but I’d take a look at their 7Nm DD one they have now. If it had been out when I got mine I’d have went for it instead. DD for the price of a clubsport v2.5 anyone? ;)
Most reviewers I've seen that don't have a dog in the fight have said the Accuforce is not as good as the OSW, with a more notchy feeling and less precision. GamerMuscle and Sim Racing Garage have both said this in comparison videos. Accuforce uses a stepper motor, which is fundamentally inferior to a servo motor, no matter how much they try to hide it with software.
isnt the notchyness inherent with stepper motors?
The notchyness that people are attributing to the Stepper Motor is not nearly noticeable with this wheel. If you take this motor by the shaft and spin it powered up or not, there is virtually nothing so that it's not worth mentioning and definitely not going to be felt when the wheel is set up properly. Can this wheel be set up with a notchy feel most definitely to the point that a person would think that the shaft is broke or a bearing blew out.
I'm not saying that it's not there, after all, it is a stepper but it is taken soo far out of context and for people that felt other stepper motors and not this one can be put off. And the SC4 software is second to none, again many get intimidated by it but again it's not that bad once you get into it. For me the biggest limiting factor is the power output, for the few power users it will fall short no doubt, and at the current price point it's hard to beat.
Good vid. Want one!!! I do not understand the price of some of the sim racing stuff though. The price of the osw equipment (the small setups) actually seems quite reasonable when you price out all the other things that are needed! After all if you're buying an osw you'll want higher end pedals/wheel/wheel plate/QR/ etc etc etc
if you're starting from scratch and want a DD wheel with descent pedals, a gear shifter and a rig to put it on, you're looking at near £2000 and that's not factoring a monitor and a capable computer.
Anton Peterson 🤑🤑🤑 RIP our bank balances.
@@antonpeterson1245 from my maffs this is true. Saving for OSW and with pc and monitor's aside or VR I'm looking to spend over 2k usd
Awesome video Will keen to see what settings you use :)
Please review the simxpierence wheel 🤩🤩🤩
Great Review William. :)
Very well done mate, thx! greetings
Great review very informative.
@14:52 Ouch! I prefer to drive without gloves but if I ever get a DD wheel, I think it'll probably be necessary for me.
That wall scrape totally caught me off guard there! That was my first race using triples in like 2 months, so I misjudged how much room I had between my car and the wall 😂
Great review well said sir
really want to sort out that input lag chief. 144hz monitors, lower them graphics :)
My rig uses 32 USB devices right now. =)
I never understood how could be in CON category the expensive fact:))) that is total subjective.....
€ is euro not British pounds.
careful with that axe eugene
Kitty!