As a player since TBC and only skipping Dragonflight just to start my TWW journey a few days ago, this has me hyped to try all the classes and specs. Age has caught up with me and I do not have the heart to go back to Mythic Raiding. Casuals unites!
I 100% agree I think I've improved I have to rely on me have to be on point with interrupts don't chain pull which is boring gameplay anyway. I'm really having fun in dungeons
Love it. Been playing Wow for over 10 years. I live in a busy household. You can't stop in a raid or Mythic and do a family task and come back. With Delves you can. Love Delves and the ability to level by a different means. Plus you can turn the volume off and watch RUclips videos!!!! Like I am now! Thank-you
Having this content has actually caused me to return to WoW more and more and have a lot of fun. Delves are really good where they are, but having more access and being able to do some other options it'll be even better. And those people who will complain about this, can just not worry about it. Mythic + is a fucking nightmare for anyone who doesn't like that shit and raiding is just a lot more commitment than most people want to do. I for one, appreciate these Delves and hope that they continue to improve on them.
Worst thing about M+ and Raids? Max DPS / HPS or Kick. That's all that matters, not the Fun you can have playing and enjoying your class, no it is min maxing.
@uvveshlurvvesh6515u r forgetting that most serious raid guilds want u to bring your own consumables and flask and buffs and whatever. So much time preparation when i can just go in delves with my bro brann and chill
More people being able to progress at there own pace and in a way they want means more potential for more people play longer instead of hitting a wall or quitting before the season is over. I hope it makes it into the game and the fun police are laid off. Good vid. Have a good day!
I can't even imagine being a person where your enjoyment of the game is limited by other people enjoying themselves too much, doing things you don't even do 😆
You need to take into consideration that this is supposed to be a massively multiplayer game though. There are hundreds of solo game options. They need to strike a balance.
@@no-budhee6657 WoW has always had solo aspects to the game since Vanilla. Farming for elementals to craft gear and the Hunter bow quest chain to naem a few
I actually enjoy doing Delves solo; it was one of the most enjoyable pieces of content from a returning player standpoint (I left after SL release). Returning to a game with no guild, no M+ experience, and having a viable way to grind content like that is always welcome, but I sure agree that all these endgame mechanics should be as good as the other ones, so they need to improve M+ and Raiding for players that love doing these. Raiding should feel rewarding, considering the amount of coordination and time you spend on them I think.
@@RGSMANIA I do enjoy playing with other people, even raiding is something I always look forward to; but having a way for people who are just returning to the game, or are struggling to find guilds in their server, is just amazing that we can grind alone gear. I'm now doing M+ thanks to the gear I got delving, so adding new ways to get gear doesn't really mean we don't enjoy multiplayer, but it's good to have more ways to enjoy the game
I like delves because it's like a solo dungeon, as a demo warlock I had Brann set on the glass cannon setting and aside from him needing a lot of breaks, it worked very well for me.
I'm so excited for this next patch! Not only does the driving look so fun, but as a solo player, I'm so glad I'll be able to upgrade my gear through delves!
All good news here. I've played mostly solo since after WotLK. I say mostly because we're a 2 person guild, my friend and I. Many alts built as best as we can. I heal/tank and she is all DPS. This Bran tanking news is the best thing we could hope for. Now I can heal as I prefer and we can plow trough delves now having even more fun!
Love these changes. I'm a casual Mythic raider who despises M+ with a passion, so more gearing opportunities I can do on my own schedule are greatly appreciated.
@@Paul-zh2jp I knew someone would get hung up on that xD What I mean by that is basically no Cutting Edge, getting to around 4/8M while the content is current.
@@philmehrartif you don’t want to play mythic +, and not in a rush to clear mythic raids you’re terrible? Your parents pay for your subscription, get a job dork.
Although I mostly group, I like the solo content because it lets me know exactly where I am at with a class. It is also great practice if nobody is on or just to try out a new class.
It would be really nice to have persistent personal instances for delves, so people can queue for pvp/pve content without losing their progress in their current delve. This would allow players to play delve content vs waiting in main cities for pve/pvp queues to pop.
My gameplay pretty much revolves around quests delves and professions. I’ve been having more fun since the guild broke up and went their separate ways pre legion. I’ve ran a follower dungeon which was cool but I like the short time frame the delves provide to fit my gameplay time nowadays.
As someone who has done all of 2 mythic dungeons ever, and refuses to go back into them as they are the antithesis of fun....this is a good change. Under no circumstances can a mythic dungeon be fun. Delves though, are great.
Absolutely fine with being able to earn almost the best tier of gear from delves. If it's really such a threat to other game modes, just slap an equip effect on each piece of Delve gear that caps the ilevel at ~615 when it's used in a dungeon or raid. But for people who primarily play outdoor content or delves themselves, hell yeah let them progress as far as an M+ player can progress in M+. "Why do you need mythic gear if you don't do mythic content" because Blizzard enjoys making elite mobs in outdoor content, group content that inevitably dies down in interest before the end of the tier, and now we've got seasonal Delve mage tower bosses that players who primarily raid and M+ get an inherent advantage in due to higher ilevel gear. The best gear for a piece of content should come from doing that piece of content.
I've been playing this since 2004 and have spent thousands upon thousands on server transfers, name changes, race changes, tokens, and shop items and have thousands of hours into this game. I do believe I have earned something that the neckbeards and sweat lords can get the fuck over that all they do is bitch when the devs don't revolve around the damn Mythic track...Give the main base of the players that are no longer hardcore something to have fun with now.
I think a fair compromise is bosses drop cosmetics of their loot. In all honesty, the difference between normal item level and mythic item level is barely noticeable unless you’re progressing through mythic raids where every single item level actually makes a difference.
I'm pretty impressed. Between this and them listening to the hunters who wanted to keep their pets, it seems Blizzard has been way more open to actually taking feedback into account when making design choices (instead of the Shadowlands approach, where you say you know better and the sub numbers plummet).
@@Tooldruid you can upgrade Hero Track into Mythic gear appearance on that last 2 upgrade. So technically if you want a full set of mythic set for your class without ever doing mythic raid, you simply need to tier convert any piece of hero gear to a tier gear and then spend 15 Gilded Crest per item to get full mythic tier appearance.
20 years ago when I was playing building a group was a fun enriching experience. Nowadays I want to sit back and move at MY pace and gear MY way. This is a much needed change for us more introverted types with small, close knit friend groups.
I'm happy to hear the changes. I would like to do delves as well as dungeons up to Mythic with my AI toons. Totally solo. Yep it's a multi-player game that I'd be more than happy to continue playing solo.
I could get behind this notion 100% if they made some substantial changes to how many different levels of difficulty there are for all content. The game needs to be easier broken into 3 separate, upgradeable gearing tracks with no overlap. It’s not just about myth track gear. Heroic raiding content is way harder than tier 8 delves and it just doesn’t make sense that I can get more mythic level crests in delves. Paring down the systems could eliminate discrepancies like that.
Just got back into wow and delves are great i dont have to sit there and be turned down time after time because i dont meet a ilvl players want or i dont have a certain achievement.I just go through delves getting gear at my own pace no one moaning about dps or a wipe no one else to worry about other than what i am doing.
If a mythic raider is afraid that someone getting mythic gear from delves threatens their raid spot, they have no confidence in their own capabilities.
They're not afraid of someone taking their spot, they're afraid of ending up in groups with these people that have no skill because that means that they'll immediately fail the content and then their time is wasted with no hope for success. :)
This is fantastic, i don't have friends. I wish you could pick up where you left off in a delve if a dungeon pops though. You can log out of the game and it puts you right back where you were before, so
Tbh, past like the 600 ilevel mark, i didn't have much trouble running delves as MW, but maybe since it's a spec with a lot of off-damage capabilities, and utility (cc, interrupts, etc) It's just built different
I love delves and look forward to more. They are fantastic practice for my class and dungeon like situations. I completed the ?? after issues with it were fixed and honestly can say I'm a much better player for it all. I did much better in Heroic Queen than I usually do. I'm the type of person who prefers to be very self sufficient, with my interactions with people being on a purely social level. People can get very toxic in serious situations and I'm tired of that for now. I'm having fun again in the game because of delves.
I love this! I'm a new WoW player and the game has been so much fun, I've been loving Plunderstorm especially (despite nearly Alt F4'ing after someone said "bad" when I got killed :c) and I can't wait to get to delves
I don’t care about those people who will be pissed , this is my current playstyle, and I’m glad they are allowing us solo players a chance to upgrade more
Less ppl in m+ is good thing? Bro, all I ever wanted to do is to be actually able to play dungeon. Not sitting in Dornogal for hours looking for group.
I played WoW mostly solo since TBC (in Vanilla I had a lot of "wow friends" to play with) and I f-ing love delves. So I'm glad they are improving the system further. I would love if Blizz introduced some delves in the old world at some point.
regardless ppl still do and enjoy group content including delves in a group. so having improved solo delves making possible to get mythic is a huge plus for everyone
Delves is the sole reason I havent taken a break for this whole season. Going forth I could easily see myself both enjoying Delves and M+ it doesn't HAVE to be like that you only do one OR the other BUT! only if they make changes so that it is actually fun to be a healer in M+. For me at least, thats how I feel.
I mean this is kind of one of the reasons I've been avoiding doing a lot of content as a healer because delves have always been the best way of getting high level gear outside of raiding and mythic keys
this can be a good thing for M+ in another way that you didn't mention... it can help new players who actually do want to get into M+ get a foothold in the door, because as the expansion progresses it gets harder to get a new start in M+ as people push for you to already have M+ gear to even join a run.
Delves were already great for me. They supplemented my gearing and helped me get AOTC, and I’ve never touched Mythic+. Perfect for solo-biased players with less time to play:
The mushroom thing, you mentioned? Ya that was absolutely horrible. I do not do that version and I complained very loudly in the feedback survey about that. An absolutely shite mechanic. Delves are great for my wife and I to run through together.
a good solution for even mythic+ or raiding people, it is an additional place for them where they can get gear... and for soloing also a plus, so for me currently the development of delves is a big plus in the game
I hate gamers sometimes lol if anyone gets pissed about this, your opinion is literally invalid. So annoying that the elite gamers care so much that solo/casual players don't get access to high level gear. If it requires skill and class knowledge to get that gear in a solo delve the same as it would Mythic+, I see no issue. Absolute pure toxicity man, I can't stand it.
I work with people like that, they're worried about what everyone else is doing, even if it has no impact on what they're doing. It's like people want everyone to have to suffer as much as them 😆
A lot of people probably don’t want their online game to turn into a single player game. They’re slowly removing every incentive to play the MMO as an MMO. Bellular doesn’t care about this because he’ll make money off the game either way.
This narrative that 'players who prefer to gear themselves in a low-stress/self-sufficient way take away from the mmo experience' seems reactionary and short sighted, to me. Feeling more prepared (via solo delves) for group activities like farming materials or drops and world bosses is really nice.
@@no-budhee6657 you can do delves with other players and it scales accordingly. very nice getting any number of friends currently online to do delves and not needing some random tryhard that bails immediately to top off the group like mythc +
I'm in a dead guild and I won't leave it because of nostalgia. Plus I have had folks popping in here lately anyway. But I never felt comfortable trying to reg raid with my current ilvl and this helps me get to a level that I feel like I can pull my weight in normal and heroics if I want to.
As a Mage player, I am not sure if tank Brann will be viable. Thoughts anyone? I have no trouble now on T8+ delves on my Arcane Mage, but I have Brann as a healer, meaning I do all the tanking in my terrible cloth armor... Would I be better off with Brann as a tank next patch? I can't brez or anything, and don't have any spammable self-healing spells the way Paladins and Shamans have, so... would I really even be able to give up Brann as healer? All I have is my barrier, which only absorbs a tiny amount of damage and has a long cooldown.
I think the problem people have with getting this gear from delves is that blizzard have always kept mythic equivalent gear from m+ players as end of dungeon loot because they say the difficulty isn’t the same, but with delves they are giving m8 level gear from something that is equivalent to m0. Delves are also a very boring grind to fill vault slots, and the difference to complete between classes shows almost no balance between classes. I have never see the game so quiet, even in mid SL I would see more players on so from what I can see TWW is looking like blizzard have made some bad choices.
Delves not giving mythic gear in vault, in addition to having a weekly cap on crests is such a terrible choice on blizz' part! I honestly expected the "no mythic gear" but limiting delves to 18 crests / week is honestly kinda crazy.. They've already added a weekly cap to crests, why would they add ANOTHER one?!
I was an MMO traditionalist back in 2006, when these titles didn't exist, now I'm 15 years older, and groups/raids are horrible and toxic. Delves are awesome for a player like me, and this looks pretty good to me. Looks like a win for me.
They need to be made more exciting and interesting with a progression system like Horrific Visions. Those were the best solo experiences the game has ever had.
Unless I get the same Brann XP in normal delves as I do in Bountiful then Hard PASS. The worst thing about delves is the stupid xp mechanic for Brann only being available in Bountiful versions so I can do 4 delves and then you're done for the day. Cool thanks for the 1 hour of gameplay lol
MY question: With Bran as a Tank, is that working with a BM Hunter... U'd still need to lead with Ur tank/pet attack...so is this better than Bran as a Healer?!? It took some time, but I could pretty comfortably run Delve L8 in S1 for the Vault. Perhaps we need an "attack/tank" command for BranTank?!?
What's the name of the addon that spreads out the vendor window? I have the dialogueUI addon and I don't see a setting for that. I also have Plumber, but again I don't see a setting for that. Can anyone help me out?
finally , that is the best that happened to the game since TWW was announced. i've been saying it all the time, this game needs a solo mode, to be fun again, is not fun when you discuss on M+ and dont get rewards, is not fun that your personal progress depends on others. This is fun , and makesme re-visit that part of time when i discovered wow and i just was leveling up to 120 and doing some leveling dungeons, i could lost my own in a huge world of fantasy doing quests and improving my character and then when i feel like kill some dragons in a dungeon and play only with the people i want to play with. AWESOME!!!
As I see it these changes will strenghten the MMO. It will allow players to keep up with friends playing mostly other times. And delves doesn't have to be played solo. The MMO part doesn't have to revolve around instanced content anyway. Especially not for roleplayers.
As a healer, it would be great if the devs made Brann available in the open world, too. I don't care for going DPS when doing world quests, and it would be nice if those of us that enjoy healing could just do that. Heck, it might allow more people to spec into healing in order to learn it in the open world before healing group content - if DPS queues are any indication, we sure need more of that.
I've been happy with healer Brann as an MM hunter but with the disappearance of my ferocity pet I may have to switch to tank Brann and stock up on healer potions. sigh
The last time I raided was cata, I've played mostly solo since vanilla so i've been loving delves and follower dungeons. Whatever I'm doing, I enjoy the challenge, back in vanilla I used to love soloing elites. Really, why do people have to care what others are doing for gear? Just play your game, enjoy it and let others enjoy the game doing their thing too.
Good, now when bran clips around and aggros packs mid fight he can deal with them. The under water delve he would always try to get distance with mobs and pull the stupid elite shark
Saw the words "Delve revamp," and remembered how the Torghast revamp made the whole thing worse. So glad to see that isn't happening here. These all sound like banger changes.
There is still one gameplay option waiting for revamp... Questing in open world. Im still hoping for "the Division" style world tiers with scaling of loot. Easiest to implement "expansion" of gameplay loop and they still dont do it...
the best thing about delves is being able to learn new classes/specs without the pressure of absolutely pumping through dungeons
As a player since TBC and only skipping Dragonflight just to start my TWW journey a few days ago, this has me hyped to try all the classes and specs. Age has caught up with me and I do not have the heart to go back to Mythic Raiding. Casuals unites!
@@RooStorm9001as a DPS player, I've enjoyed experimenting with tanking in Delves.
I 100% agree I think I've improved I have to rely on me have to be on point with interrupts don't chain pull which is boring gameplay anyway. I'm really having fun in dungeons
@@sardonicspartan9343 %100, I use them to practice, follower dungeons are useful as well but I find delves more fun due to the added mechanics.
Literally this, especially for healer specs
Love it. Been playing Wow for over 10 years. I live in a busy household. You can't stop in a raid or Mythic and do a family task and come back. With Delves you can. Love Delves and the ability to level by a different means. Plus you can turn the volume off and watch RUclips videos!!!! Like I am now! Thank-you
Omg, as a new dad, Raiding and M+ are just too locked in for me rn. Delves allow me to respond to my little boy when he's crying or wrecking things. 😅
Agreed and having them not on a timer almost gives a chill vibe to them. Slow rolling soloing an 11 is actually fun.
Having this content has actually caused me to return to WoW more and more and have a lot of fun. Delves are really good where they are, but having more access and being able to do some other options it'll be even better. And those people who will complain about this, can just not worry about it. Mythic + is a fucking nightmare for anyone who doesn't like that shit and raiding is just a lot more commitment than most people want to do. I for one, appreciate these Delves and hope that they continue to improve on them.
Worst thing about M+ and Raids?
Max DPS / HPS or Kick.
That's all that matters, not the Fun you can have playing and enjoying your class, no it is min maxing.
@uvveshlurvvesh6515u r forgetting that most serious raid guilds want u to bring your own consumables and flask and buffs and whatever. So much time preparation when i can just go in delves with my bro brann and chill
More people being able to progress at there own pace and in a way they want means more potential for more people play longer instead of hitting a wall or quitting before the season is over. I hope it makes it into the game and the fun police are laid off. Good vid. Have a good day!
Whoever gets angry about solo content as an option, wants to control how people enjoy things
I can't even imagine being a person where your enjoyment of the game is limited by other people enjoying themselves too much, doing things you don't even do 😆
You need to take into consideration that this is supposed to be a massively multiplayer game though. There are hundreds of solo game options. They need to strike a balance.
@@no-budhee6657 MMOs are dying
"solo together" is thriving.
@@no-budhee6657 WoW has always had solo aspects to the game since Vanilla. Farming for elementals to craft gear and the Hunter bow quest chain to naem a few
When the group content is too sweaty + seasonal model (constantly invalidating grind) no one is going to participate in it. Good on them.
I actually enjoy doing Delves solo; it was one of the most enjoyable pieces of content from a returning player standpoint (I left after SL release). Returning to a game with no guild, no M+ experience, and having a viable way to grind content like that is always welcome, but I sure agree that all these endgame mechanics should be as good as the other ones, so they need to improve M+ and Raiding for players that love doing these. Raiding should feel rewarding, considering the amount of coordination and time you spend on them I think.
That's why it was the most fun you had because you never actually played the game with other people
@@RGSMANIA I ran m+ every season except for TWW and delves are just a relaxing way to play without the hassle, I am enjoying wow more.
@@RGSMANIA I do enjoy playing with other people, even raiding is something I always look forward to; but having a way for people who are just returning to the game, or are struggling to find guilds in their server, is just amazing that we can grind alone gear. I'm now doing M+ thanks to the gear I got delving, so adding new ways to get gear doesn't really mean we don't enjoy multiplayer, but it's good to have more ways to enjoy the game
I like delves because it's like a solo dungeon, as a demo warlock I had Brann set on the glass cannon setting and aside from him needing a lot of breaks, it worked very well for me.
I'm so excited for this next patch! Not only does the driving look so fun, but as a solo player, I'm so glad I'll be able to upgrade my gear through delves!
That was my question When is this going to happen lol
All good news here. I've played mostly solo since after WotLK. I say mostly because we're a 2 person guild, my friend and I. Many alts built as best as we can. I heal/tank and she is all DPS. This Bran tanking news is the best thing we could hope for. Now I can heal as I prefer and we can plow trough delves now having even more fun!
Tank Brann should've been in the game at TWW launch.
It probably wasn't ready when TWW launched. I agree it 'should' have been there because that feature would have been extremely beneficial.
There was so much wrong with delves for weeks, that it does not really matter.
I helped this happen by only playing solo delves
Player statistics STAY winning
I enjoy delves. This just makes them better. No complaints. 🤷🏻♂️
You cant really say delves kill the MMO factor of WOW when the average dungeon experience nowadays has absolutely no interaction between players.
Love these changes. I'm a casual Mythic raider who despises M+ with a passion, so more gearing opportunities I can do on my own schedule are greatly appreciated.
“casual mythic raider”
@@Paul-zh2jp I knew someone would get hung up on that xD
What I mean by that is basically no Cutting Edge, getting to around 4/8M while the content is current.
@@Paul-zh2jp he's basically trying to tell everyone he's terrible at the game, hence why he hates M+.... Ty for the clarification
@@philmehrartif you don’t want to play mythic +, and not in a rush to clear mythic raids you’re terrible? Your parents pay for your subscription, get a job dork.
@@philmehrart Mythic+ players are the absolute worst kind of people
Although I mostly group, I like the solo content because it lets me know exactly where I am at with a class. It is also great practice if nobody is on or just to try out a new class.
i am so glad this exists, i absolutely hate mythic plus now, especially the next season pool, W blizzard
It would be really nice to have persistent personal instances for delves, so people can queue for pvp/pve content without losing their progress in their current delve. This would allow players to play delve content vs waiting in main cities for pve/pvp queues to pop.
My gameplay pretty much revolves around quests delves and professions. I’ve been having more fun since the guild broke up and went their separate ways pre legion. I’ve ran a follower dungeon which was cool but I like the short time frame the delves provide to fit my gameplay time nowadays.
As someone who has done all of 2 mythic dungeons ever, and refuses to go back into them as they are the antithesis of fun....this is a good change. Under no circumstances can a mythic dungeon be fun. Delves though, are great.
Question please. Are you going to return to doing the weekly live vlogs with Mat soon? They were always a highlight of my week. Keep up the good work!
Ah same, i miss the lives so much!!
Yea same
Absolutely fine with being able to earn almost the best tier of gear from delves. If it's really such a threat to other game modes, just slap an equip effect on each piece of Delve gear that caps the ilevel at ~615 when it's used in a dungeon or raid. But for people who primarily play outdoor content or delves themselves, hell yeah let them progress as far as an M+ player can progress in M+.
"Why do you need mythic gear if you don't do mythic content" because Blizzard enjoys making elite mobs in outdoor content, group content that inevitably dies down in interest before the end of the tier, and now we've got seasonal Delve mage tower bosses that players who primarily raid and M+ get an inherent advantage in due to higher ilevel gear. The best gear for a piece of content should come from doing that piece of content.
Great news! Already enjoyed solo delves it will be even better 👍
I'm glad for these changes. I don't like group content, and traditional mmo players don't like solo players. This seems like a win win to me.
I've been playing this since 2004 and have spent thousands upon thousands on server transfers, name changes, race changes, tokens, and shop items and have thousands of hours into this game. I do believe I have earned something that the neckbeards and sweat lords can get the fuck over that all they do is bitch when the devs don't revolve around the damn Mythic track...Give the main base of the players that are no longer hardcore something to have fun with now.
I think a fair compromise is bosses drop cosmetics of their loot. In all honesty, the difference between normal item level and mythic item level is barely noticeable unless you’re progressing through mythic raids where every single item level actually makes a difference.
@mattphoenix4702 oh yeah people would love to get hollow shells of what everyone else is getting....great idea.
hehe the M+peacock are up set some one a changing a an a nap "remember no king rules forever the apply to M+ too"
I'm pretty impressed. Between this and them listening to the hunters who wanted to keep their pets, it seems Blizzard has been way more open to actually taking feedback into account when making design choices (instead of the Shadowlands approach, where you say you know better and the sub numbers plummet).
As filthy lfr solo player I got mythic gear from delves and never step foot beyond 8
Yep. Behind 8 it’s just stressful and cruel and no longer a game.
That wasn’t mythic gear you were getting. That was heroic I level
@@Tooldruid my full mythic transmog says other
@@Tooldruid you can upgrade Hero Track into Mythic gear appearance on that last 2 upgrade.
So technically if you want a full set of mythic set for your class without ever doing mythic raid,
you simply need to tier convert any piece of hero gear to a tier gear and then spend 15 Gilded Crest per item to get full mythic tier appearance.
My man!
20 years ago when I was playing building a group was a fun enriching experience. Nowadays I want to sit back and move at MY pace and gear MY way. This is a much needed change for us more introverted types with small, close knit friend groups.
everyday rerolling to Mistweaver seams better and better. so glad the spec feels proper fist weaving again on top of everything else.
I enjoy delves in a full group they are a lot of fun. You know what dungeons used to be before Mythic plus was a thing
I'm happy to hear the changes. I would like to do delves as well as dungeons up to Mythic with my AI toons. Totally solo. Yep it's a multi-player game that I'd be more than happy to continue playing solo.
This is great. Delves should provide everything except Myth track gear which seems to be what they've done
This.
I could get behind this notion 100% if they made some substantial changes to how many different levels of difficulty there are for all content. The game needs to be easier broken into 3 separate, upgradeable gearing tracks with no overlap. It’s not just about myth track gear. Heroic raiding content is way harder than tier 8 delves and it just doesn’t make sense that I can get more mythic level crests in delves. Paring down the systems could eliminate discrepancies like that.
Just got back into wow and delves are great i dont have to sit there and be turned down time after time because i dont meet a ilvl players want or i dont have a certain achievement.I just go through delves getting gear at my own pace no one moaning about dps or a wipe no one else to worry about other than what i am doing.
If a mythic raider is afraid that someone getting mythic gear from delves threatens their raid spot, they have no confidence in their own capabilities.
They're not afraid of someone taking their spot, they're afraid of ending up in groups with these people that have no skill because that means that they'll immediately fail the content and then their time is wasted with no hope for success. :)
@Drasnier good point, didn't think of that.
@@Drasnier You check prior progression, not just item level.
classic Datsdope always completely clueless
This is fantastic, i don't have friends. I wish you could pick up where you left off in a delve if a dungeon pops though. You can log out of the game and it puts you right back where you were before, so
Tbh, past like the 600 ilevel mark, i didn't have much trouble running delves as MW, but maybe since it's a spec with a lot of off-damage capabilities, and utility (cc, interrupts, etc) It's just built different
I love delves and look forward to more. They are fantastic practice for my class and dungeon like situations. I completed the ?? after issues with it were fixed and honestly can say I'm a much better player for it all. I did much better in Heroic Queen than I usually do. I'm the type of person who prefers to be very self sufficient, with my interactions with people being on a purely social level. People can get very toxic in serious situations and I'm tired of that for now. I'm having fun again in the game because of delves.
I love this! I'm a new WoW player and the game has been so much fun, I've been loving Plunderstorm especially (despite nearly Alt F4'ing after someone said "bad" when I got killed :c) and I can't wait to get to delves
Good news for us solo players
I don’t care about those people who will be pissed , this is my current playstyle, and I’m glad they are allowing us solo players a chance to upgrade more
Wow you're a badass dude
Less ppl in m+ is good thing? Bro, all I ever wanted to do is to be actually able to play dungeon. Not sitting in Dornogal for hours looking for group.
I played WoW mostly solo since TBC (in Vanilla I had a lot of "wow friends" to play with) and I f-ing love delves. So I'm glad they are improving the system further.
I would love if Blizz introduced some delves in the old world at some point.
regardless ppl still do and enjoy group content including delves in a group. so having improved solo delves making possible to get mythic is a huge plus for everyone
Been soloing T11+ as a bear tank
Amazing video, thanks you, sounds like a good reason to come back and give Delves another go.
Delves is the sole reason I havent taken a break for this whole season. Going forth I could easily see myself both enjoying Delves and M+ it doesn't HAVE to be like that you only do one OR the other BUT! only if they make changes so that it is actually fun to be a healer in M+. For me at least, thats how I feel.
I hope it works out well. Being able to actually stay as healer while doing some of the progression grind (outside of raid and M+) would be great.
9:30 what dps meter is that? Looks cool
Amazing that something released in September needs a revamp already lol.
In before M+/Raiders start complaining about solo players having access to 'there' gear.....oh wait
Haha they have been saying “just play m+” for years.
Well here you go,
“Just play delves” 😂
..you are nearly a fucking YEAR late. If we gave a shit, you would have heard it season 1. You didnt.
M+ is antifun content
Where gear?
Who gear?
how come i never know when patches are coming out, and no one says when it comes out
They haven't said when it's coming out yet
I mean this is kind of one of the reasons I've been avoiding doing a lot of content as a healer because delves have always been the best way of getting high level gear outside of raiding and mythic keys
I love doing delves! I usually do it while waiting on Solo queue
Good changes :-) was worried for a bit there but i think this is great tbh
this can be a good thing for M+ in another way that you didn't mention... it can help new players who actually do want to get into M+ get a foothold in the door, because as the expansion progresses it gets harder to get a new start in M+ as people push for you to already have M+ gear to even join a run.
Delves were already great for me. They supplemented my gearing and helped me get AOTC, and I’ve never touched Mythic+. Perfect for solo-biased players with less time to play:
Brann with a shield and bringing out the gat has me jealous of him. Honestly hoping Brann's Blizzard testing out a Tinkerer class.
Pistol/Shield Engi Tank is a spec I hope to god they bring. Because I am all here for it.
The mushroom thing, you mentioned? Ya that was absolutely horrible. I do not do that version and I complained very loudly in the feedback survey about that. An absolutely shite mechanic. Delves are great for my wife and I to run through together.
What was that? I did get what wast talked about?
I personally don't mind the mushroom mechanic, just don't stand still while it's active.
I love delves. The end.
That was a damn good laugh at the Mythic raider get to the mines moment.
a good solution for even mythic+ or raiding people, it is an additional place for them where they can get gear... and for soloing also a plus, so for me currently the development of delves is a big plus in the game
I hate gamers sometimes lol if anyone gets pissed about this, your opinion is literally invalid. So annoying that the elite gamers care so much that solo/casual players don't get access to high level gear. If it requires skill and class knowledge to get that gear in a solo delve the same as it would Mythic+, I see no issue. Absolute pure toxicity man, I can't stand it.
I work with people like that, they're worried about what everyone else is doing, even if it has no impact on what they're doing. It's like people want everyone to have to suffer as much as them 😆
A lot of people probably don’t want their online game to turn into a single player game. They’re slowly removing every incentive to play the MMO as an MMO. Bellular doesn’t care about this because he’ll make money off the game either way.
This narrative that 'players who prefer to gear themselves in a low-stress/self-sufficient way take away from the mmo experience' seems reactionary and short sighted, to me.
Feeling more prepared (via solo delves) for group activities like farming materials or drops and world bosses is really nice.
@@no-budhee6657 There is more group content currently in WoW than there ever has been in the history of the game.
@@no-budhee6657 you can do delves with other players and it scales accordingly. very nice getting any number of friends currently online to do delves and not needing some random tryhard that bails immediately to top off the group like mythc +
I'm in a dead guild and I won't leave it because of nostalgia. Plus I have had folks popping in here lately anyway. But I never felt comfortable trying to reg raid with my current ilvl and this helps me get to a level that I feel like I can pull my weight in normal and heroics if I want to.
Delves are back? I just started doing them this week. 😂
This timje guys, this time it's HUGE, it is going to change the whole show!"
As a Mage player, I am not sure if tank Brann will be viable. Thoughts anyone? I have no trouble now on T8+ delves on my Arcane Mage, but I have Brann as a healer, meaning I do all the tanking in my terrible cloth armor...
Would I be better off with Brann as a tank next patch? I can't brez or anything, and don't have any spammable self-healing spells the way Paladins and Shamans have, so... would I really even be able to give up Brann as healer? All I have is my barrier, which only absorbs a tiny amount of damage and has a long cooldown.
Blizzard not adding a new delve companion like they advertised sucks and the cop out excuses they made make it worse.
I haven't been this optimistic about WoW in what feels like over 10 years
Delves are excellent and breathed new life into Warcraft
Id really like to see the Tier levels equal Mythic + levels as far as crest rewards. Just make it 10’s all around to get gilded crests imo.
Well dang...that does change things.
I think the problem people have with getting this gear from delves is that blizzard have always kept mythic equivalent gear from m+ players as end of dungeon loot because they say the difficulty isn’t the same, but with delves they are giving m8 level gear from something that is equivalent to m0. Delves are also a very boring grind to fill vault slots, and the difference to complete between classes shows almost no balance between classes. I have never see the game so quiet, even in mid SL I would see more players on so from what I can see TWW is looking like blizzard have made some bad choices.
Has Blizz mentioned if Branns levels are reset or he gets more? Cause I cba getting all those levels back, unless they make it a LOT faster.
Delves not giving mythic gear in vault, in addition to having a weekly cap on crests is such a terrible choice on blizz' part!
I honestly expected the "no mythic gear" but limiting delves to 18 crests / week is honestly kinda crazy.. They've already added a weekly cap to crests, why would they add ANOTHER one?!
I was an MMO traditionalist back in 2006, when these titles didn't exist, now I'm 15 years older, and groups/raids are horrible and toxic.
Delves are awesome for a player like me, and this looks pretty good to me.
Looks like a win for me.
They need to be made more exciting and interesting with a progression system like Horrific Visions. Those were the best solo experiences the game has ever had.
thats the main point for me to come back after bfa the delve system looked promising Ive done t10 solo with port warrior and I having fun
I thought they changed those crest trade prices only for now as a catch-up mechanic. Also, I bet they'll return the weekly cap on crests with S2.
Unless I get the same Brann XP in normal delves as I do in Bountiful then Hard PASS. The worst thing about delves is the stupid xp mechanic for Brann only being available in Bountiful versions so I can do 4 delves and then you're done for the day. Cool thanks for the 1 hour of gameplay lol
MY question:
With Bran as a Tank, is that working with a BM Hunter...
U'd still need to lead with Ur tank/pet attack...so is this better than Bran as a Healer?!?
It took some time, but I could pretty comfortably run Delve L8 in S1 for the Vault.
Perhaps we need an "attack/tank" command for BranTank?!?
holy shit the daily active user bit lmao
Are the reward for Delver's Bounty increased as well?
What's the name of the addon that spreads out the vendor window? I have the dialogueUI addon and I don't see a setting for that. I also have Plumber, but again I don't see a setting for that. Can anyone help me out?
finally , that is the best that happened to the game since TWW was announced. i've been saying it all the time, this game needs a solo mode, to be fun again, is not fun when you discuss on M+ and dont get rewards, is not fun that your personal progress depends on others. This is fun , and makesme re-visit that part of time when i discovered wow and i just was leveling up to 120 and doing some leveling dungeons, i could lost my own in a huge world of fantasy doing quests and improving my character and then when i feel like kill some dragons in a dungeon and play only with the people i want to play with. AWESOME!!!
I use him as a healer and I either run Ret or Prot depending on what I feel like doing.
That Iann Hazzakostas impersonation caught me off guard 🤣🤣🤣
As I see it these changes will strenghten the MMO. It will allow players to keep up with friends playing mostly other times. And delves doesn't have to be played solo. The MMO part doesn't have to revolve around instanced content anyway. Especially not for roleplayers.
That pistol and shield combo is craaazy. Hunter tanks when??
looking healthy bro
As a healer, it would be great if the devs made Brann available in the open world, too. I don't care for going DPS when doing world quests, and it would be nice if those of us that enjoy healing could just do that. Heck, it might allow more people to spec into healing in order to learn it in the open world before healing group content - if DPS queues are any indication, we sure need more of that.
Delves are how I got to into heroic raiding having only done the normal raid once! 😂
Besides, who cares if Delve players get gear? They're already not engaging in raid content, so where's the harm?
I've been happy with healer Brann as an MM hunter but with the disappearance of my ferocity pet I may have to switch to tank Brann and stock up on healer potions. sigh
The last time I raided was cata, I've played mostly solo since vanilla so i've been loving delves and follower dungeons. Whatever I'm doing, I enjoy the challenge, back in vanilla I used to love soloing elites. Really, why do people have to care what others are doing for gear? Just play your game, enjoy it and let others enjoy the game doing their thing too.
does brann level reset with the next season of delves??
What about DPS classes using him as a tank? Will he die without healing?
Good, now when bran clips around and aggros packs mid fight he can deal with them. The under water delve he would always try to get distance with mobs and pull the stupid elite shark
Saw the words "Delve revamp," and remembered how the Torghast revamp made the whole thing worse.
So glad to see that isn't happening here. These all sound like banger changes.
There is still one gameplay option waiting for revamp...
Questing in open world.
Im still hoping for "the Division" style world tiers with scaling of loot.
Easiest to implement "expansion" of gameplay loop and they still dont do it...
Would have been nice to have a Tank Brann for Zekvir ??.