Proposed RV Parks Are Getting Denied! Why?
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- New campgrounds and RV Parks are desperately needed, but in communities across the nation, they're being denied by zoning boards and city councils. Why? Because local communities can't see the benefits.
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As a full time RVer I have also seen an influx in the campgrounds. Also people that boondock in the nation forests and parks are destroying the parks and they are closing the parks to RVers destroying the camp sites. Leaving garbage burning shit and cutting trees down. We need to have more responsible campers.
Most people aren’t good people they’re just simply scared of the law. They’re scared, they’re not good. They behave like losers when no one is looking and they think they can get away with it.
Enforcement and wildlife officers monitoring free camping is the solution. Fine, fine, fine people that are ignorant to properly camping.
Another huge problem with free camping: we saw a group of about 25 campers all set up. The generator on site ran all day long, they had box freezers set up and a tarp city. They stayed there for 6 weeks. That isn’t right.
We must live as if when we die the intentions of our hearts will truly be judged. And leaving a campsite, clean, tidy, with leftover firewood stacked cleanly by the pit is pure intentions. People are losing sight of the service of their fellow humans and focusing their eyes on themselves.
The same people doing this leave their carts in the wal mart parking lot. It’s a small moral test with no punishment indicating self serving biases.
@@JourneymanLineman : Most people are good people, you are the exception.
@@JourneymanLinemanAgree, people are selfish and self serving for the most part, this is why we oppose new parks in our municipality, the existing RV parks have crime, drugs and run down RV's that look like third world huts
Wish RV Parks would leave more space between sites. I hate it when the sites are so narrow that you almost don’t have room for your slides.
It's all about the money..not your convenience...I avoid them .... My RV is self contained for a reason...😉..I don't need to pay outrageous prices to park it......
Or you neighbors fire pit is less than three feet from the side of your rig!!!
Agree. Get tired of its all about the money but it is so true
Can you call or text and get "guarantees" on the amount of space and the lot size, all in advance?
@Truth Inspector your building a RV Park?
People confuse rv parks with mobile home parks.
No wrong
RVs are the new mobile home
And people are leaving there rentals for RVs
Prove me wrong Thats why park's are upping there prices because people don't leave for a month
When the owner starts renting seasonal sites, it becomes a run down mobile home park. I don't like to camp in campgrounds that are mostly seasonal sites. They are not family friendly -- just a bunch of old intolerant retirees who never saved any money and are trying to survive on social security alone. They form a clique, and regular campers are not part of it -- so they make sure you feel unwelcome.
@@lickalittle : * *their*
@@davidgates1122 These types of sites need to be separated. Short-term vs long-term sites. The sites shouldn't be mixed.
When to an RV resort in Paso Robles CA. I spent $100 at the Walmart, $80 at Albertsons, $200 wineries/breweries and $70 at the gas station. Not to mention the RV park it’s self, around $300?. So putting an RV campsite in your area will boost the local economy
@Don Lah Not if that town relies on tourism for jobs. Buy the way, I used to live near Paso Robles. They grow lots of grapes and make lots of wine. They want us RV'ers to visit.
$200 on beer and wine? YOU LUSH YOU! LOL! 🤣
@@Erin-Thor Psssh! Those are rookie numbers. :)
@@gregoryhare3652 - Preach! 👍🏽 Betty Ford Clinic needs people like you! 🤣
@Don Lah I guess if rv ers are as economic as they say maybe they will make enough money to build more resturants perhaps?
Our perfect campground is one next to a small town. we intentionally spend money in those small towns.
I think one of the main reasons that the proposals keep getting shot down is because of all the media on people who have never camped before going into parks and campgrounds and treating them like they’re garbage and not cleaning up after themselves and because of this communities don’t want garbage in their neighborhoods
That's why I stay out of campgrounds...my RV is self contained for a reason...I lived in mine for a few years ,I rearly stayed in campgrounds...
I have heard that on many RV RUclips sites. This new generation of campers are disrespectful and do leave their trash. They speed thru the grounds like they own them. I even heard that they go to National Forests and caution tape off the area they want for themselves. Its getting crazy out there.
Campgrounds are going to have to ask for deposits from these people, or at least get a credit card number and signed agreement, with dated before and after pictures. The few are making it difficult for the many.
Management would be responsible for this behavior. If there is a lack of oversight, then I see how this can happe
I've been living full time in my RV since June and have traveled to 6 different states. I have yet to find a park that is full. Main reason is I stay off the main highways. I hit the small towns and just drive right in to the park and stay for a week or a month with zero issues. In fact, the place I'm at now has 65 lots and maybe a dozen RVs! Expand your horizons!
@@Lauren-vd4qe 400 a month
One of the best post I've seen in awhile. Its so true. Thats how we travel and have never had an issue with finding a spot, a nice spot to camp.
Exactly, many of these small mom & pop owned parks don't have websites and wont come up on a google search. Stop at a gas station, ask some locals.
What state are you in? I’ve cut my camping season short & decided to winterize early due to all the campgrounds being full. How do you find these rv parks that aren’t full?
@@davidrounds3245 That’s kind of crazy. Don’t they want business? I’m a planner. I have all my reservations before I get on the road. I’m not just going to be driving my fifth wheel down the road for 4-5 hours and then start looking around for some no name RV park and then hope they have an opening. Not realistic. These people need to get there names out there somehow.
We applied to change 2 acres to commercial so we could build a 10 spot full hookup campsite. We were denied. Hostility isn’t the word! We are NOT giving up.
Right now there are so many people that lost everything and have switched to campers, living out of their vans, vehicles and tents and find it easier to move about to find work. However a strong number of them are also trashing state and federal grounds and even wealthy are causing damages with ATV's and such. We watched in the 1990's a very large privately owned wooded campground get trashed on the last day of a holiday as early risers got up, packed and left leaving behind objects, trash and even 4 used tires from the trunk of a taxi placed into another campers site. So he didn't have the money to pay to dispose the tires because he spent the money to camp? Add in central PA theft in farm lands is rampant. While security cameras catch many vehicles and faces few cases are ever solved. Why? Because the thieves are from other regions and use social media and different vehicles to case country homes and farms and even small town communities. Bringing in more for campgrounds will only add confusion to solving the problem. It won't be easy to get more campgrounds in PA.
Camp owners must charge enough extra $ to cover such loses, which isn't fair to the rest, but is necessary to stay in business. One can charge enough, have cameras, and get deposits/credit card numbers like with hotels. The RV park can make extra money with a small onsite store, selling goods and services.
This community is growing so quickly. It would be nice if we could leave a good impression wherever we go.
A recent 17-day trip from OK to NC that included time in TN answered your question for me. We stayed in some RV parks that styled themselves as “resorts” yet clearly had long-term units in place that included extensive flower pot deployments that limited adjacent space parking. These units were all showing their age which explained the rise of the 10-year rule we keep hearing about on YT. We didn’t have any notably bad experience, just observing why some communities would oppose further development. Our main purpose on the trip was to enjoy Smoky Mountain NP & we certainly did that.
whats the 10 year rule? I'm new to the RV world. Thanks.
@@ClayLud The RV park limits their space to RV’s no older than ten years. Nicer campgrounds don’t want run down RV’s on their property. Somewhat understandable, but another “one size fits all” rule that is very arbitrary. My Class A looked near new after 20 years…..emailed photos in some cases, never turned down. But it’s not hard to find ramshackle RV’s out there.
What people don't realize is that their are rvs in the millions
I think a large part of the issue is the public perception of the run-down trailer park where drug dealers and those who are homeless end up. No one wants to live nest a collection of "vans down by the river". This may be the reason many locations are selling themselves as "resorts". Part of any proposal to government officials should include designs that completely follow local codes as well as long term maintenance plans to assure that the property doesn't deteriorate in just a few years. While underground utilities and paved roads add to the cost, they don't build support from government officials.
Campgrounds located in areas that are already designed for access by commercial vehicles eliminate one complaint. I recently stayed at a campground that was almost a mile down a narrow road through a residential neighborhood. While the campground itself was great, I don't think the neighbors were thrilled with the large class A's and fifth wheels that were having to cut the corners of their property to make the turns.
It may be helpful to work with the same entrepreneurs who are selling co-work spaces and sell to the local government as a place for digital nomads to work from. Work with the local cellular carriers to assure high-speed access (a tower lease located on the hill overlooking the camp could be a win-win for everyone) and target marketing at those looking for a safe place to work. A campground just on the edge of the local restaurant district could be the ultimate "walkable neighborhood".
They are all gone here purchaed cheap by investors.
That is the unfortunate truth where I live. All of the local RV parks are where the tweakers and registered sex offenders all live and not a week goes by there isn't a violent event at one of them. Even the owners of the parks are a big reason why they get a bad rap here. Before I moved to this area, I checked online to see where most of the LE activity is and it's almost ALL in the RV and mobile home parks.
The cost would be too great and lend itself to investor takeover. What is needed. Like the old parks is age restrictions. Set up to allow retired residents to live on social security income might have to be subsidized a little but so many seniors are falling off the scale. Strict rules because its govt sponsered.
I have a home, made of sticks woodland cement. It sucks. But I have to so I won't to labelled homeless. I spend 4 weeks a year in my house but my home is my 22 foot motorhome. It's crazy in order to be accepted by society I have to own a house I don't live in.
@Truth Inspector "I think a large part of the issue is the public perception of the run-down trailer park where drug dealers and those who are homeless end up." So just like cities then???? And we can't have homes for the homeless now. That would be terrible. :-( This fucking world sucks. See my Petri Dish Earth vids guys.
Other factors to lack of new campground development: extraordinary cost and government hurdles. Campground operators say they must spend $10,000-$20,000 per campsite if they want to add on. A lot of this is because local/state regulations require tremendous infrastructure (think sewer, water and power). And developers prefer rehabbing rundown campgrounds because (generally speaking) it's more cost effective than building from scratch, plus it's one less government hurdle to clear because zoning is already in place.
Someone else mentioned trailer parks and zoning - it's often easier to get a trailer park built because it's zoned residential where lodging isn't. Great talking to you today!
The government is the main problem as they extort people in mass.
water, sewer and power are "tremendous infrastructure"???
@@cathunter3042 Believe it or not they are. Are your connecting to City Sewer/water or are you doing septic and well water (Most camp grounds are Septic and well water, or septic and city water) Septic is a huge cost. depending on the size of the campground you could need 2 or more tanks and two huge leach fields you can't use for sites. Electric is expensive. Depending on the sites and are you doing 30 or 50 amp service or 110v service, or all three with. One site can cost between 10 and 20K just to establish. That's one RV site. Then you have metered vs non metered sites. Bathhouse, pool, clubhouse, store, etc. Those are all infrastructure costs. Without Water, Sewer or power you have a lot of boondocking sites, that go for $8-12 a night and not $30-100 a night.
100% correct
I'm 70 thinking about this life style. I have never done this before but would love to do it. Good video. Thanks
Good RVers are usually kind of invisible to the community that they are visiting. The bad ones are the ones who get covered by the press, whose trash gets noticed by locals, whose "stealth" camping gets neighbors uncomfortable.
So make your contributions noticeable. Be willing to look for an item locally rather than automatically ordering from Amazon - a few bucks more to keep a local business going is a cheap price to help us all have options from shops manned with knowledgeable staff. When you buy groceries or dine out take a moment and speak to the owner or manager. Complement them about your experience and mention that your RV travels brought you to their lovely town. See a fundraising jar for a sick kid or a family whose house burnt down? Make a contribution, let them see that people from outside of their community can be loving and caring. Driving and see a church supper, firehouse bbq? Stop & participate. Smile & be friendly. Put your phones down and interact when people are waiting on you. Act so they remember you as an RVer in a positive light.
Excellent ideas!
I love doing this! My main goal, when in a new campground, is to get to know at least 2 locals and find the hidden gems of the town. You know, the mom and pop cafe that's been in the family for generations type place. They always have the best food!
@cat link ….very well said!
We also buy groceries and fuel in these communities as well as dining out etc...
I’ve been a solo full timer for over three years and primarily boondock. It’s getting harder and harder to find parking everywhere 😕
Fuel alone is huge!
They sure are making it vary difficult aren't they.. seems everywhere you go there's cops hassle you or some other problem.. I lived on the road in my RV for a few years.. from 2010 to 2013.... I started to notice the problems back then.. that's why I bought some private property .. seems no matter where you go there's always somebody giving you a problem... Good luck with that and I hope you enjoy your time on the road... I know I sure as hell did... In these times I seldom leave my property.. it's just not worth the aggravation....
Rving in California is near impossible. They haven't built any new sites and too many people own them(rv's) and there aren't enough(campgrounds) to go around.
Living in CA is near impossible.
It's not just about money (revenue for municipalities and local businesses). It's also about Quality of Life and the Environment for each town, area, and region. Some people may want to keep their quaint towns quaint.
Because I don’t think this pandemic is going away anytime soon and sites are becoming harder to book we opted for a seasonal site for next summer.
We would love to have you at Park Place RV Ranch in Tolar, TX. ....3 minutes to Granbury, voted #1 Best Small Town in 🇺🇸 America.
We’re on our way to Texas in January!
@@rgray3173 Yup. A lot of people use that app. They need to get on it. They are listed on campground review site but not one review yet.
Thank you, for your feedback. It is greatly appreciated. I will get that taken care of promptly. We are here and we have availability for snowbirds, long- term, travelers....we welcome you all. (254)661-0209
Park Place RV Park is now listed on RVParky. 😄 We'll see you soon.
@@DivineSublime22 I just checked. It’s not listed under Tolar or Granbury.
We definitely noticed that campgrounds were super full during our 2020 trip.
I like the story. It would be interesting to hear some examples of where it has happened.
Buy a grabber and gloves. Pickup after the less experienced idiots that started this year with covid. The problem is and always be laziness and trash.
We’ve ran into it more times than not. Can’t find someplace to park. Park for the night, for the week, or like we normally do, 2-3 months. Something needs to change. We’ve discussed buying our own RV park, but with my numerous years of construction experience, maybe I should build one... 🤔
The entire RV travel experience is getting less “friendly”. Less Walmart’s to stay at, more “No overnight parking” signs. Not good for us fulltimers.
Time for something to change!
Big mouth! Hot Springs is one of my go to secret spots. 😂
We have, literally, had this entire loop to ourselves for almost two-weeks. It has been so quiet and so ah-may-zing. -Abby
Not a secret any more.🤫🤐
I just moved to Rapid City. Hot Springs will probably be our go-to place close to home. :)
Great job! Very interesting content. We'll be back to watch more of your content. ~ Danny and Lynn
As a campground owner I would hate to have a campground next to my home.... we have gone to getting rid of our tent campers due to how disrespectful and unclean they are! And as for monthlies we do limit the age unless the trailer is shown to us because we’ve had some winners try to come in.... I could go on with all the problems we have including with churches thinking we are a homeless shelter for them to just drop off people at!
Can you please give me advice on how to start a campground? My husband and I just purchased 5 acres near a creek and I really think it would be a great place for RVs! I've already done some research on zoning so I don't think that will be an issue. I just don't know how or where to begin on getting electric, sewage, etc 😕
What they need to realize is that if they don't build the NECESSARY RV parks to meet the needs of RVers, and teach/train the "newbies" to use common courtesy (which is no more common than sense these days) and how to behave like considerate, civilized human beings, with the economy crashing and the homelessness epidemic growing as it is, we will no longer be able to distinguish the difference between respectable RVers and the trashy homeless who lack a sense of self respect and dignity, much less respect for others. We'll all be parked any where we can find a place.
I personally decided to purchase my motorhome in March as a direct result of covid in order to guarantee my son and I don't end up homeless homeless if it was to come to that, and we are in the process of moving in to our RV full time as I can no longer afford to pay rent without making huge, unacceptable sacrifices which I would only make by force. Instead we are sacrificing space and privacy and the other creature comforts we enjoy in a home or apt in order to guarantee a roof over our heads and protection from the elements and (to some extent) other dangers(I feel a good deal more vulnerable in the RV than the apt). But we are respectable, civilized people who appreciate a clean, aesthetically appealing environment and know where the trash belongs.
When did parents stop teaching their kids proper manners, how to be neighborly and and considerate of others?? I guess if parents can't do it, the rest of us have to try- NOT by being judgmental, accusatory, shaming, and ugly, but by setting the example of personal responsibility and practicing kindness. The adults who were denied the opportunity to be raised by parents who provided the structure, discipline, and example of responsibility actually Crave it still. They were likely denied much more than that as well. If they are treated with disdain and looked down on with disgust, it only perpetuates the poor behavior we prefer to see remedied. Something to keep in mind as this chaos insues.
Good luck and I 100 percent
My self i would love more rv places in ga. That stay open year round. But it sad that so many people leave trash behind.
We travel 5 months out of the year. We have hosted many times as well. I too would have some concerns if an RV Park was wanting to set up adjacent to my sticks and bricks. I have first-hand experience with community concerns... I have never thought about it until now... I am now perplexed, thanks ;)
This is certainly a public perception issue. Let’s be real - - there are unfortunately countless examples of poorly managed and crime ridden RV parks that cause the public and elected officials to say “Not here.” These are not the parks used by upstanding RV’rs. These are basically permanently encamped and run-down trailers and motor homes. Making it more concerning to the public is the rise in homelessness and people living out of cars and vans parked on streets. While the public may be incorrectly conflating these distinctly different types of RV’rs, their concerns are nonetheless understandable.
PatrioticConstitutionalist just when you think you found a solution to homelessness, the society blocks it once again. I guess there is no solution we are ever gonna see.
@@cityslickeroutdoors8306 Indeed - - a very complex and multi-faceted problem to solve.
PatrioticConstitutionalist NIMBYs are the primary obstacle towards any possible solutions. These NIMBYs are the same people that put people into death camps in Nazi Germany.
^^all anybody cares about in this country is their property values. That’s the American Capitalism Way. Screw everybody else over and get yours. Then stick a boot in the face of anybody lower than you.
@@fortwoods Hmmm, maybe I’m wrong, but my thought is an RV park is a place to camp with your RV. An RV storage facility is a place to park and store your RV.
I believe a number of RV Associations and Clubs known to most of us do lobby legislatures and city councils when new RV parks and refurbished ones are on the agenda. Not sure if it's coordinated but it should be. Seems like it would also help manufacturers (mostly in Indiana) to have government relations folks provide the nationwide numbers of before and after economic impact of RV parks (not mobile home residences/parks). I understand there are more than one million full-timers now, and many more who go for shorter-term trips, so you're right, we need to go to our own communities and argue on behalf of RV park progress and upgrades. We need an alert system--perhaps from RVers themselves, and coordinated through clubs, associations, and the RV industry--to help. Money talks louder than fear so let's show them the money!
The truck stop developers are having the same problem
Actually, I think truck stops have it worse. Not only are the NIMBYs actively preventing new truck stops, but they're getting existing ones shut down as well. And that's with a current shortage of places for the big rigs to park.
Too much NIMBY syndrome, with people not realizing how expensive it is to own an RV in the first place, not to mention how much money said RV travelers bring to communities they visit.
If this is true, I don't really blame folks. It's a roll of the dice and maybe home owners just don't want to gamble with their neighborhood.
A developer for RV storage got shut down in my neighborhood because folks didn't like the idea. (Personally, I don't care but I see both sides)
Jason does a great job with this you guys! Smash that thumbs up button.. and the best supporting actor nomination for Abby
I'd like to thank the Academy...Real heartbreakers was that was a Bailey's and coffee I somehow managed to spill all over myself and the ground. Good thing I had more inside. - Abby
This IS great information and at the same time a bummer to know, thank you for researching and sharing with us !😎
Our pleasure!
The locals at Antelope Oregon did this same thing to the Rajneeshapuram commune.
T they did have a self sufficient commune that was fairly advanced. Till it got all crazy. It was the zoning laws that were the reason behind it all. All the murder plots.
Very interesting Jason, thanks for the video & keep up the good work 👍👍
Thanks, will do!
Thanks 👍
So glad we boondock 90% of the time.
I love your informational videos. I just subscribed to both your podcasts!
The local people who protest against campsites are called ‘NIMBY’s’, Not in my back yard!!.…… They probably enjoy regular RV camping, but don’t want the sites near them!!……Hypocrites!!
@@Tom-Fisherman abso‘frikin’lutely .....I didn’t say I agreed with it ‘Sherlock’, just pointed it out!!
There is a huge issue with "camping" homeless people in many places (mine included). Our local beautiful park has become an inhospitable, dirty, and dangerous area to visit. 😢
How would a campground assure they are not overrun? 🤷♀️ Cost per site, and length of time limits are two that I can think of. Any other ideas?
Campgrounds can for the most part just kick people out that cause issues. Another rule that some places use is a restriction on the age of the RV.
@@adamliggett2621 and that age thing is crap. I've got a 2001 and it looks great, I'm never any trouble and my dog doesn't disturb anyone. An older vehicle doesn't mean a vagrant.
@@Lauren-vd4qe , there are only so many police. Very few places have a police force built for future expansion.
With all the catastrophic events this year, we’re going to see whole new levels of homelessness, many won’t be poor....just escaping from disaster and destroyed homes and neighborhoods!! I lived in a 5th wheel for two years after my home was destroyed in a wildfire! Don’t assume you know the story of a “homeless” person!
@@pohkeee, did you live by yourself or in some kind of campground. Because if you spent two years in a campground you would have had plenty of time to see all the people enjoying their RV experience and the other side.
The smart mayors/government leaders will allow new RV parks to be built. Especially near towns that need economic development. RVers spend money in the local economy. It’s called tourism. Plain and simple.
Don't bet on it, the gvt is ran by morons.
Guess they prefer homeless in a tent next to them.
@@Tom-Fisherman Nope, RV is literally a home on wheels, how can they be synonymous with home-less
More campgrounds ⛺️
I don't know why people think that campsites would be hard for a community. It would add jobs to the community and it would be on the map.
The park owners pay BOTH property tax AND revenue taxes to local communities.
Dollars and cents - show them how it benefits local businesses. Also, ask them where good areas are to locate the park, so that rv'ers don't interfere with or become obtrusive to local residents. Find locations where you are needed and wanted. Do surveys where there are no rv parks, find out where rv'ers are staying, explain benefit to the community to have it legal, regulated, organized, and earning money for local businesses. My best wishes!
We spend our money where we stay. Developers also need to make parks more visually appealing to local officials.
The county would rather have the property used for houses or condos so they can charge property tax. That's a huge income to the crooks
I agree with full heartedly about needing more campgrounds. I’m all for it. Thank you Jason for this video. Stay safe.
You made a very helpful video because we are looking to invest into our own RV Park
All the Clubs and membership groups we all have and pay for have a responsibility to show up at these meetings and represent Us. That being said, new campgrounds should not be allowed to have small packed in rv sites. The exception being overnight only spots with a three night max. A minimum width should be established for all future sites or redo's. These parking lots that call themselves campgrounds suck! They often leave huge open areas with no function and pack people in. Pipe and wire doesn't cost that much more.
Build a CAMPGROUND . That means tent sites too and limit the number of days , no long term living there . This would shut up the locals as it is not a new Trailer Park but a short term place to stay and spend money locally! It's a vacation spot not a place to live. If the locals still object show them how much revenue you expect each site to generate in local sales, groceries, gas, and curios. Don't forget to promote businesses that could also be opened due to Campground. More restaurants, tire and vehicle repairs, laundromats , Local arts and crafts . When a single business can jump start other commerce it is a total benefit to the community. The locals fear transient types that break down and decide to live in the Campground. The only long term resident at Campground should be host and they should have a home near entrance and office. Plans for the campground showing a well landscaped area , trees that line the perimeter . This creates a privacy fence so neighbors living nearby don't see the sites . Standard quiet hours .
It might be a good idea to propose new campground to unincorporated towns or low income small towns. They could use the revenue. For example Transylvania, Louisiana is unincorporated town. You could also propose new campgrounds around shipyards or plants. Those places would be good for temporary workers. Just my thoughts.
industrial park camping? LOL!
I can understand the push back. We have a number of RV parks in our area. Bunch of transients that cause local problems. Locals aren't quick to flip you off, or be rude in traffic. People wit out of state plates driving around...not so much. They brought NY attitudes down here, and it sucks.
That is correct, we don't want more RV parks, my wife plus many other neighbors went to a council meeting to voice our opposition and we were successful in stoping the park, you can keep your tax money, go somewhere else
Actual camping seems to have lost it's place . Most are glampers that drag basically a house around with them. Most are rude thinking they're better than you. But they can't seem to find the fish LoL 🤣😎. We did the fifth wheel thing and it was more of a burden.
There is RV'ing and there is camping. One is more comfortable than the other and tends to be longer in duration or repetition. Camping isn't necessarily RV'ing, and vice versa. Then there are the van lifers and the car campers, these are different as well. They tend to cross paths a lot, but they aren't really the same thing. Campers, van lifers, and car campers frequently prefer free or minimalist camp sites, whereas, RV'ers tend to frequent full service RV parks more often. More and more people are living on the road, personally, I don't have a problem with it, and it is better than homelessness. Being a homeowner, I can appreciate why homeowners and longterm residents in a community might be concerned. It is a matter of working out beneficial agreements and rules for RV parks & BLM lands, and local business/homeowners, so that everyone is treated right and treated fairly.
@Everett Munoz…Most anytime someone says that other people think they are “better than me” , the real problem is self image….people who say or believe that are projecting how they feel about themselves onto others that they perceive as their ‘betters’, no matter what that other person really thinks. Sad and self destructive.
Geez, you are so right! We have a proposed RV park on some Forest Service land that was recently exchanged and is under private control now, and adjacent neighbors who have had this lovely open space next to them are fighting anything this new owner is trying to do, to the point of getting a referendum to have the public vote down his proposed RV park. What do they want? The guy to do nothing? Not going to happen. What's worse is this land would then be divided into private home lots, or made into a commercial strip mall...and it's gone forever. At least an RV park will keep lots of trees, have some trails probably open to the public -- it's short-sighted, not fair to the developer (who finally said screw it and fenced off his property instead of keeping it temporarily open to let everyone enjoy the land as they used to; I don't blame him!), and they main opponents are vocal and intimidate anyone who wants to interject their alternative opinion.
Communities want RV parks, they don’t want trailer parks. With the correct zoning rules and regulations, many communities would probably accept an RV Campground
I was denied in Mt. Pleasant Tn , there is a code against Rv parks and campgrounds in general, would have been a great development, but they just say no at the building and planning department.
Poorly managed parks and tenants that live there full time or almost full time is a rub by locals.
There are A LOT of campgrounds that need Re-Habbed.
Yes. There. Are!
Unfortunately in some areas like here in puget Sound area, the homeless population has run rampant and there’s garbage and stuff everywhere. So a lot of people around here don’t want the campgrounds for fear that the homeless may overrun them as well and leave their garbage and who knows what else.
We have RV for 10 years. Unfortunately, we see more and more people living in RV parks for years. Not fair to transient RVers. I think that might be an issue as well.
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We have the same travel trailer
I can see the Residents argument. There are to many trashy folks who donot clean up after themselves and trash our forests and national parks. I have seen people throw trash and garbage everywhere when there are dumpsters all around. !
campgrounds with age limits for campers and their rigs are also annoying.
nothing like being told you are too young and your vintage, perfect camper is too old!
think RV park permit is hard to get, try a racetrack! and racetracks are 4-5 weekends a year!
and we will buy all the ice, junkfood and beer you can stock in your stores!
we stock up on the way in, stay at the track, and gas up on the way home.
To be honest I think one of the reasons towns are hesitant is because if we go to a hotel for 3 nights more than likely we will eat out at least 1 of those nights and maybe all 3 but if we camp for 2 or 3 nights we will eat every meal at the campground.
You must beat city government over the head over and over with hard facts on how much money you are adding to their community coffers. The tax revenues, the local businesses that make more money, and the good and free p.r. on social media are the carrots that must be shown to government.
One can ascertain that there is no RV community per se as there is with physical stable brick and mortar towns and such. Most parks would be not in cities but under county control. The best target should be state government. Goalswould be better regulation of parks: minimum fair spacings, clean water, etc. The parks would seem best regulated by the hotel division or perhaps a new separate dept. Either that or state laws to define what counties should do or not do.
I have one simple philosophy, no camp grounds, no RVs welcome = zero money spent by this family of 6!
I looked into opening a trailer park here in Sacramento, and basically would cost a fortune even if it was approved, and they won't approve them, so total waste of time to try.
However, there ARE plenty of places for RVs, they are just far away from where people want to be.
Wow, I can't believe people are complaining about RV parks!! I mean tourism brings lots of money to towns and especially small towns that don't have much of an economy! I would for sure vote for an RV park in my town!!
@BOSS MAN Did you try to think up the least likely scenario to get me to change my mind?! Obviously it wouldn’t reside in a residential community! C’mon man, use your brain!!
@BOSS MAN people like you make me think humans are doomed. Constant objectifiers based on fictional information!
I will speak in opposition with reserved opinions. I live in a tourist area, lots of campgrounds. They are on lakes and rivers with nearby accommodations such as bars trails and restaurants. I live in a quiet neighborhood, about 30 homes. A developer wants to place a 100+ campsite smack dab in the middle of us. Not isolated, but front and center. My quiet neighborhood would potentially be full of 100+ families and all their toys and alcohol and pets and noise and side by sides and atvs.
We weren't asked for input by the developer. Many here paid 100s of thousands for their little piece of heaven, and now this.
Is this acceptable? Try to see it from the homeowners pov.
Real estate persons are trending against Longterm RV’s and parks as well.
They want to sell you or rent you a house if people intend to stay in a certain area .
Galveston TX is an example.
A city ordinance was passed concerning longterm campers.
The real estate people prefer home owners or renters vs longterm campers
You can convince communities to host these RV by insuring regulations on noise. Who the hell wants to listen to drunken parties, ATVs, loud music and generators?
Surprising and sad to hear this. This could be a real boon to small towns all across America. Money talks. All I can suggest is that people will listen to money, especially if they think they can make more of it. They need to be graphically convinced that they're losing out by not having campgrounds and RV parks. Are there any statistics that show a bottom line $ benefit with a small town that allowed new construction of a campground or RV park? Perhaps some representatives from local Harvest Hosts hosts showing the benefits. Most small towns want tourism - there's hardly a better tourism opportunity.
Well if you own the land and you're outside the city limits don't ask just do it
The NIMBY phenomenon is not new or limited to RV park development. Whether it’s a Walmart, Costco, Whole Foods, apartment building or even a new house on a long vacant but completely legal lot the local Karen’s will come out of the woodwork with their strident objections and manufactured outrage. Anyone with any intention of building anything needs to anticipate that and plan to enter the permit application phase with allies on board ready to attend meetings, speak up calmly and articulately, and to write letters with a calm but positive ‘voice’ using well reasoned arguments to planning board members and/or county commissioners.
A lot of times it comes down to zoning: if an RV park is a permitted land use of the proposed site and the applicant doesn’t seek a bunch of zoning variances or exemptions the local authorities are much more likely to approve the project despite objections - especially if you’ve done your homework and crossed your Ts and the the opposition arguments are largely baseless.
Im confused new parks are expencive. Meaning you have to have money. No freeloading here. A lot of people do want cheap camping good luck with that.
@poncho 467…harsh reality…anything of value usually come with a price……otherwise it wouldn’t exist.
Let's get our nomenclature correct. RVing is NOT CAMPING! An RV park is NOT A CAMPGROUND!
The definition of camping is: activities involved with living in a tent outdoors. An RV is just a ranch home on wheels and is about as far from tenting as you can get.
People enjoy camping because it's a simpler way of life that is closer to nature.
RVs are complex machines prone to breakdowns because many are cheaply made and many RV parks densely packed.
Real campers won't stay in a park because real campgrounds have more space between sites.
Parking for RVs can be and is highly restricted in many places just because they are "recreational. "
Last summer I drove through Yellowstone and many of the roadside attractions were posted with No RV parking.
Cool story bro.
The lines have blurred dramatically! I live in Montana and almost all campgrounds are now a combination of both options, with plenty of space for both. Commercial RV parks often also have tenting options. Aside from camping up hiking trails, it a combination, even boon-docking on public lands are mixed. Further, people with health and handicap issues often choose to switch to at least hard-sided “campers” with their own toilet! I realize that the size .of some are like towing a yacht around, but like he said, some prefer sleeping in their own bed while enjoying traveling, rather than paying for hotel rooms. We need more of both! This summer was very frustrating trying to do either!
@@pohkeee Montana has plenty of wide open spaces. I lived there for a few years.
I wouldn’t want a campground in my backyard either. Don’t want to smell the campfires, hear the parties, etc. I am an RVer. I think the RV parks should be in rural areas where there are trees and lot’s of nature to enjoy. I get it...sometimes you want to visit where there’s no campground. Try Harvest Hosts or Boondockers Welcome, but don’t run down my sticks and bricks home property value.
There’s already lots of campgrounds that closed from the pandemic and likely won’t reopen. I would like there to be more RV rental companies. There isn’t much selection where I live and I don’t intend to buy one for a short trip.
I am contemplating at opening an RV park in British Columbia. The land cost is $800,000 CAD ($600,000 USD). 110 acres in a beautiful area near a warm summer lake and a lot of snowmobiling in the winter (mild / shorter than the rest of Canada winters but a lot of snow). Will I ever recoup the money? I will build most of the sites by myself. The land is undeveloped. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
It's because I happened to have stopped by each of these towns.
Each place I go is like Rambo First Blood😃🤣😂
Ty for the information sir.
Thanks for this, I'm interested in developing an RV park and I think I would ask some people to come to the city/county counsel in support of my project.
Rather than build only new 'resort style' campgrounds, there's a need for more 'affordable' campgrounds. Certainly the campground can't make it by only charging $10.00 per nite, after all they often provide water, elect., sewer, bathroom/shower buildings., maybe even a pool. However, charging an arm and a leg, upwards of $85.00 per nite is making it harder for families to extend their vacation time to 2 weeks. They might be only able to affort 4, or 5 days or a week possibly. Of course campgrounds are a business, but I'm for making it enjoyable without the needless stress of spending a fortune on a stay at a campground for a vacation & lasting happy memories. If folks want to put down a trailer for a seasonal arrangement, returning year after year, guaranteeing that reserved site, that's another matter pricewise. Mostly I'm concerned with basic camping, safe & affordable. Charging whatever the market will bear is difficult for me to accept. And anyone who has eyes & ears will agree that the campground brings in revenue to the town, the food stores, sporting goods shops, restaurants, amusements, Summer events, open air theaters, antique shops, yardsales, etc, etc, etc. The hospitable community where a campground establishes and flourishes, and there is a big demand, gains much from them putting down roots, their footprint.
@Frank Cates….your concerns are understandable. However, your financial limitations may not meet the needs of the operator’s expense structure and return on investment. And, unless he/she/they also own one or more of the the other businesses mentioned, the campground owner gets no direct benefit from the additional community revenue generated. While there is some synergy involved, it nonetheless has to provide adequate return for each business entity. Harsh as the reality may be, there are a lot of things many of us would like to have but cannot afford. We just have to do the best we can.
Hey! No kidding! Do they allow packages delivery up there?
We don’t dare ask. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
They don't want RV parks built but they have no issue with building trailer parks that turn into dumps after a couple of years.
It's often easier to get a trailer park built because it's zoned residential where lodging isn't. Silly!
I think some of the places are worried about losing property tax money also.People with tiny homes have hard times getting places to park as well. Just my guessing.
If you would have ask me a year ago about cities and counties that are reluctant to put in a R.V park/resort , I would have said no way? But now? I along with a business partner put in a proposal for a R.V resort right on the Colorado River in Nevada, down river from Laughlin Nevada. This would be a great resort with private Casitas and regular camp sites also. Not your typical R.V park, the city and county compared our proposal to the K.O.A that is located at the Avi Casino, granted the two R.V parks would be close to one another, but the K.O.A is just a R.V park, not a resort, we would have been right on the river with a boat launch, tackle shop, store and a bar&grill. The perfect place to fish, ride your sea -dos and do a little gambling. So we will see what happens in the next year 2021? Hopefully they will reevaluate the proposal and give us approval. Take care.
How i find out the cost for rv development?
I like the approach from Thousand Trails.
They are on the outskirts of towns, but they stay in touch with the town’s leaders, and their campgrounds are clean, organized, and well maintained.
How do you find out about theses meetings?
Big mistake these towns should want the money camp ground bring an yes whatd stopping it is to many old fashion trailer trash people its time to change that new park that are kept up an clean are not a problem an is good for towns
I have been tricked into staying at many run down campgrounds with OLD online pictures and glowing reviews, my rule of thumb, KOA or it has over 100 reviews, otherwise it is probably best to avoid it. If it only has less than 100 reviews, they are too easily faked by friends, fake accounts and family of the owner. The only exception would be as if the place is brand new.