Good video. You even have tubes of paint to show it, some artists on RUclips just explain the difference between artist and student grade without showing it. You even mention different ways a palette can be put together, depending on what price point makes sense for aspiring artists with their budget.
Your claims about the longevity of student oil paints is very troubling to me. I wonder what those claims are based on. Winsor and Newton have separate permanence and light fastness ratings which indicate equal performance for both the artist and Winton line for a particular color. Please explain
The pigment colors will hold up for a long time, but the paintings made from student paints will crack flake or peal sooner than professional paints because of the fillers that are in the student paints.
@@arrogantartist It feels silly for me to be poking at you like this but the idea that I’ve made a terrible mistake that will limit the life of my work at the cost of a few bucks is deeply troubling and one that I don’t want to accept. I suspect others may feel the same so I post this for how I’ve rationalized it. I would say the definition of “student” grade may be imprecise. That they aren’t all equal and I believe Winsor & Newton can be trusted with their permanence and lightfastness ratings for their Winton line. Based on that, I would very much question the accuracy of your longevity claims for Winton. It is difficult to find actual data regarding the longevity of art supplies. I would speculate that how one goes about applying the paint and then how the work are treated later have a huge impact on how long the work lasts
@@andrewlm5677 After reading your comment I decided to look into the matter. About 20 years back the Winsor & Newton tech adviser (I believe his name was Wendall) Told me that the Winton Student grade oil paints would last about 50 years because of the fillers. After your comment I thought it was time to investigate into this to see if it is still true. I had back and forth correspondence with Winsor & Newton and Royal Talens (the maker of Rembrandt oil paints). They both stated that their student grade oil paints will last just as long as the pro grade as far as cracking or pealing. The light fastness of course would depend on the pigment they use. So this is very good news. Note: They did say the biggest problem with cracking, chipping and flaking is due to low quality ground work. I have seen several paintings where the paint is falling of the canvas after 40-60 years because of the gesso breaking down. So stick with pro quality gesso or pro quality pre-gessoed canvases. I hope this helps, Dave
student grade isnt god for glasing and special optic efects , student paint isnt long lasting and lightfast , it usuali stif and you need a lot of medium to work with it wich is not that grate.
There is a wide quality range of student grade paints. Some are, just as you said, very poor quality. The Winsor & Newton "Winton Oil Colours" perform very well in lightfastness, glazing, and stability. My beginning art students have been using them for many years. For more information go to the Winsor & Newton website and read their literature.
Good video.
You even have tubes of paint to show it, some artists on RUclips just explain the difference between artist and student grade without showing it.
You even mention different ways a palette can be put together, depending on what price point makes sense for aspiring artists with their budget.
The only thing missing aside from your Username, and stache is a turtleneck sweater.
Your claims about the longevity of student oil paints is very troubling to me. I wonder what those claims are based on. Winsor and Newton have separate permanence and light fastness ratings which indicate equal performance for both the artist and Winton line for a particular color. Please explain
The pigment colors will hold up for a long time, but the paintings made from student paints will crack flake or peal sooner than professional paints because of the fillers that are in the student paints.
@@arrogantartist It feels silly for me to be poking at you like this but the idea that I’ve made a terrible mistake that will limit the life of my work at the cost of a few bucks is deeply troubling and one that I don’t want to accept. I suspect others may feel the same so I post this for how I’ve rationalized it.
I would say the definition of “student” grade may be imprecise. That they aren’t all equal and I believe Winsor & Newton can be trusted with their permanence and lightfastness ratings for their Winton line. Based on that, I would very much question the accuracy of your longevity claims for Winton.
It is difficult to find actual data regarding the longevity of art supplies. I would speculate that how one goes about applying the paint and then how the work are treated later have a huge impact on how long the work lasts
@@andrewlm5677 After reading your comment I decided to look into the matter.
About 20 years back the Winsor & Newton tech adviser (I believe his name was Wendall) Told me that the Winton Student grade oil paints would last about 50 years because of the fillers. After your comment I thought it was time to investigate into this to see if it is still true. I had back and forth correspondence with Winsor & Newton and Royal Talens (the maker of Rembrandt oil paints). They both stated that their student grade oil paints will last just as long as the pro grade as far as cracking or pealing. The light fastness of course would depend on the pigment they use. So this is very good news.
Note: They did say the biggest problem with cracking, chipping and flaking is due to low quality ground work. I have seen several paintings where the paint is falling of the canvas after 40-60 years because of the gesso breaking down. So stick with pro quality gesso or pro quality pre-gessoed canvases.
I hope this helps,
Dave
@@arrogantartist Wow, I respect your work here to investigate more and thank you for sharing this additional detail
student grade isnt god for glasing and special optic efects , student paint isnt long lasting and lightfast , it usuali stif and you need a lot of medium to work with it wich is not that grate.
There is a wide quality range of student grade paints. Some are, just as you said, very poor quality. The Winsor & Newton "Winton Oil Colours" perform very well in lightfastness, glazing, and stability. My beginning art students have been using them for many years. For more information go to the Winsor & Newton website and read their literature.
why dont you finish the mixing?
Mixing thoroughly wasn't needed for the demonstration.