Your bike handled a lot of shipping abuse and everything still functions so congratulations on durability. The part that surprises me the most though is the performance you have achieved with mag wheels. They usually don't seem to perform as well as the spoked motors but you guys have lots of torque available even just using the rear motor.
@@E-BikingAdventures I love my EMX Xtreme with dual 500w motors and 48v 30Ah (1,440Wh) battery. I also appreciate that Fabulous eBikes have been great to deal with, and appreciate that they price their bikes fairly. They really do put the effort in to having the various components work well together and not just be features on a sales brochure.
I'm thinking of getting this bike to compliment my others.. I need a folding bike to not have to use a big rack and go to bike club meet ups farther from our area. I wish you could work with a lending company so we could make monthly payments like I see other companies have. Affirm I think is one lender for E Bike purchases. Good stuff guys !
Fabulous taking the award for the only ebike to do what others couldn’t. The 60V may very well be the reason, and or it’s pushing 1500+ watts with each motor. I can only imagine what a 1000 watt motor pushing 2000+ would do along with 72+V.
Dual 1000 watt motors mind you as I know there is the Wicked. Why aren’t there 90V’s readily available? That would be awesome if a company out there can take the lead, and provide true competition for ICE bikes.
I really love all the features of this bike, nothing is missing. I currently own a 2021 FABulous EMX Xtreme dual 750's. A great bike from a great business. I live on the west coast a long way from Montreal, but Lampro, the owner of FABulous Ebikes makes me feel like the customer next door! I always receive prompt expert service and parts delivery and answers to any inquiries. Besides a great selection of ebikes, FABulous offers the only other main feature any ebike business has to offer, great customer service, that really sets them apart from the competition.
This bike doesn’t look like a 30mph + 100nm torque beast to the avg joe. It’s good for cities where e-bikes have too many restrictions, this is one of the most unassuming emopeds I’ve ever seen!
One battery isn't enough for a dual motor ebike. It needs to have a 2nd battery. It's cool to see 60v batteries on 750w motors. I wanted to do a 60v conversion on my grizzly.
It's cool you get to test so many ebikes. The Kenda Krusades are nice tires. I have them in 26"x4" and they're a nice all-rounder for both paved and gravel trails.
lot of things to like about this bike. really quick off the line and a hill climbing beast. but... i really don't care for the frame design with that curve in it. looks a little weird. and while it's nice to be able to pull out the battery easily, it's not aesthetically pleasing. and yeah i agree with you on the folding feature. kind of pointless with a 92 lb bike. good review!
Dear "President" Citizen! Ha Ha! AWESOME REVIEW! Exactly what I was looking for. I emailed you earlier and asked a few specific questions that I had hoped you would address on this particular bike. I never heard back ( which I totally understand. You're busy. ), but you addressed all the questions I had. THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Your reviews are so in depth and your explanations are so clear. I was one that wondered about shifting the turbo button "on the fly". WONDERFUL EXAMPLE! Perhaps a suggestion to know if the "turbo" button is "On or Off"........ Have a little green or red light show up on the digital display. Sounds simple... I am probably going to buy this one when they open them to the United States thanks to you. I had never heard of this manufacturer, but thanks to you I've found something that seems like it will fit me. ( Old Motorcycle rider that wants "speed" if I want it and to be able to climb a hill if I need it. ). Thank you again!
Hi Jon, So sorry yes I am extremely behind on my email, Glad I covered most of your questions though.🙂 Fabulous makes some pretty nice and powerful bikes!
i have a dumb ? you can use a plug kit on motorcycles with solid rims tubeless ... does this concept work for ebikes / do they make tubeless tires you can plug with a car plug kit ?
Your hill climb is achieved because of the smaller diameter wheels....it adds torque to a hub motor....Have you ever tried any other small wheel, 750 hub motored bikes?
Yes I've tried a ton of 20in wheel bikes and yes the smaller wheels seem to have slightly better torque. The hill climb power on this bike was due to the dual motors, 2 motors pulling you up the hill makes a huge difference!
Love your reviews. Im thinking of getting the eahora juliet 60 ah 1000 watt bike for my wife and I. Would love to see you do a full review on these. There doesnt seem to be any good reviews available to watch on you tube. Just delivery guys showing range tests.
Or maybe you could slightly twist the throttle so it won't do that. It seems like the Ariel Rider grizzly where people either want to burnout or just want the quickest acceleration but I've never seen anyone not full turn the throttle.
Good video as usual brother! I didn't hear you mention the controller. Does it have 2 controllers for both motors? How many amps is the controller? Thanks!
Hi, this bike is really awesome!! What's the top speed of using both motor and using rear motor only? Any difference? I am considering a AWD after seeing this.
Please show bike-folding. APARTMENT dwellers need folding bikes! Minimize footprint at home, in elevator, at your destination cubicle or friend's place. Loading into a vehicle is a nice option too.
I have 2 fold up bikes, a heybike mars and a lectric both fit in my Volvo S70 trunk but only one bike per trunk fit, but each fit... they are kinda awkward folding up. What makes sense for me is when the old Volvo needs service, I take a bike , and drop off the car... and then pick it up the same way.
@@PaulGhenisIt's not just about folding, I think these ebikes need to be able to pushed/pulled on wheels (once folded), and I would like to see that as well. I would like to see these ebikes folded and pulled/pushed up a ramp to go to public transit platform or elevator level.
Hey Citizen, i’ve been trying to message you about the wired freedom bike and ask how is the pedaling on that bike because the company tells me that you can pedal that bike up to 25 to 30 mph without ghost pedaling is this true before I spend 2K on this bike?
I like it. I'm not a fan of the look of mopeds, as much as I'd like a Grizzly. But that headlight. Same as on the Lectric which can't take the rough pavement?
Way of the future with choices and variations; single motors, duel motors and sizes with color choices etc. Government will be offering tax incentive to buy ebikes. All this is good for those of us who enjoy getting around on them.
Wow I remember when you had 1k followers I haven't been here since you finished your custom radrover...that was Soo dope to watch...what's happened to that bike?
I wonder which is faster and which has more range, this one or the 1500w amp rides! Both are my dream bikes!! Also, comparing them to the ariel grizzly would be epic
Oh golly gee, if you actually turn the front motor on after you are rolling, you don't get spin. You make some really entertaining videos. You were one of if not the first ebike channels I subscribed to, but I do wish you did a few things differently. That being said, it's your channel, so you do you. On the bike itself, the bike seems great. I'd say the lights are the weak point, both the front and back. My opinion is that if you can't see the headlight during the day at all, I don't think it would be great at night. The taillight I think is way too small. Seems they want to rely on the reflector to be seen. This isn't a production bike, so that could be fixed. Something that I haven't seen in any major brand that my bike has and I think is a good idea is an audible alert for both the turn signals and breaks. It gives cars a bit extra notice of what you are doing. That's not a knock on anyone, as I know many riders would turn it off anyway.
i guess it depends what you are looking for. Fabulous is probably stronger on hills and definitely faster off the line. Wired has way more top end speed, is lighter weight, lower seat height, and is way cheaper..
Not sold on dual motors, front dropouts were never designed to pull the entire weight of the bike plus the rider. If you really need to go that fast just get a 3000 or 5000 watt direct drive with a 72 volt system.
I have the same forks on my dual motor e-bike from Fabulous E-Bikes. They are designed for use with a front motor so its quite different from when someone adds a second motor to a regular rear-motor e-bike equipped with forks not designed for the torque a front motor adds. For me the second motor isn't about speed so much. I do enjoy the acceleration boost but also the improved hill climbing.
@@rossmacintosh5652 that's a nice bike, who makes the forks? I've heard RST forks can handle a motor. I've seen some on Amazon for 130ish but I don't know if those are the ones.
@@bassw1758 I'm thinking RST is the manufacturer of the forks & model is "Guide" but it's hard to be sure. I know RST market some forks as "e-bike ready" which suggests those have the heaver lugs. They don't use a torque arm but use heavy washers with tabs that fix the axle in the lugs, resisting torque forces from turning the axle. They can't be used with quick-release axles. The torque-resisting washers with tabs is very similar to what most e-bike manufacturers use on rear motor axles. (I think the washers on a Fabulous E-bike are the same front and rear). They seem to work fine for the 500w and 750w motors but I'd be less confident if used with much bigger motors. With a bigger motor a torque arm might be necessary.
Hey citizen, another great video. How come you never do a review on the ecells 1500awd super monarch. I had a chance to finally ride one, it will beat ALL 750WATT AWD BIKES AND MOST 1000WATT. IMIGINE IF THEY HAD 60VOLT. Ecells will beat the citizen bike.
Unfortunately I don't know anyone close by with an ecells bike and it's far too expensive for me to buy one Especially when I have what I think is a better version in my garage already with the citizen bike.
I ride a VSETT 10+ scooter. Looking for an ebike; but find 95% of the market offerings underwhelming at best. The world needs faster ebikes, this looks promising....Hint: UNLOCK RUGER
Handle bar too far for shorter riders..and the seat too high to..should. Be lower to accommodate shorter riders like your wifey..not too tall as you..!
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60v Havoc X2 has on/off indicator button for dual motors. We caught it late but we did change it on the 60v. 34mph top speed...for now.
BTW, I'm loving my Trail Step Elite. Perfect bike for food delivery. I'll be writing a review soon.
Your bike handled a lot of shipping abuse and everything still functions so congratulations on durability. The part that surprises me the most though is the performance you have achieved with mag wheels. They usually don't seem to perform as well as the spoked motors but you guys have lots of torque available even just using the rear motor.
@@E-BikingAdventures I love my EMX Xtreme with dual 500w motors and 48v 30Ah (1,440Wh) battery. I also appreciate that Fabulous eBikes have been great to deal with, and appreciate that they price their bikes fairly. They really do put the effort in to having the various components work well together and not just be features on a sales brochure.
I'm thinking of getting this bike to compliment my others.. I need a folding bike to not have to use a big rack and go to bike club meet ups farther from our area. I wish you could work with a lending company so we could make monthly payments like I see other companies have. Affirm I think is one lender for E Bike purchases. Good stuff guys !
Do you sell accessories? I can only find a “Coming Soon” button.
Fabulous taking the award for the only ebike to do what others couldn’t. The 60V may very well be the reason, and or it’s pushing 1500+ watts with each motor. I can only imagine what a 1000 watt motor pushing 2000+ would do along with 72+V.
Dual 1000 watt motors mind you as I know there is the Wicked. Why aren’t there 90V’s readily available? That would be awesome if a company out there can take the lead, and provide true competition for ICE bikes.
I really love all the features of this bike, nothing is missing. I currently own a 2021 FABulous EMX Xtreme dual 750's. A great bike from a great business. I live on the west coast a long way from Montreal, but Lampro, the owner of FABulous Ebikes makes me feel like the customer next door! I always receive prompt expert service and parts delivery and answers to any inquiries. Besides a great selection of ebikes, FABulous offers the only other main feature any ebike business has to offer, great customer service, that really sets them apart from the competition.
This bike doesn’t look like a 30mph + 100nm torque beast to the avg joe. It’s good for cities where e-bikes have too many restrictions, this is one of the most unassuming emopeds I’ve ever seen!
Dual suspension with a 60volt 20ah battery...and foldable...add a crate in the back and your set :) Really great features in a deepening ebike market.
As always love every one of your reviews they are very thorough !!!
I appreciate that!
Patiently waiting for a drag race between the citizen bike and this fabulous havoc bike 🙂
Absolutely! It'll be no contest though, The citizen bike has dual 40 amp controllers and I think he even had one shunt modded lol
I'm sure that will eventually happen but I'm 99.9% sure citizen bike would crush it easily.
That bike is crazy fast. Like it.
My fav EBike RUclipsr
Thank you!
You did well on the video 😎 That's some tough, steep, grassy hill test area. Nice.
Just got mine yesterday well the 48 volt version still trying it out
Any bike with 2 motors will be a beast
I didn't know this came in 60V.. Dual suspension.. This has to be one of the best all around bikes made today. More torque than Bafangs big mid drive.
HOW TO BUY ONE WHERE?
WHERE to buy the 60 volt dual motors?
@@johngarcia8266 fabulous USA website
One battery isn't enough for a dual motor ebike. It needs to have a 2nd battery. It's cool to see 60v batteries on 750w motors. I wanted to do a 60v conversion on my grizzly.
wow very sharp looking power house of an ebike... love the new look
It's cool you get to test so many ebikes. The Kenda Krusades are nice tires. I have them in 26"x4" and they're a nice all-rounder for both paved and gravel trails.
Yes, they're one of the better tires. Good grip, and they're not super loud on pavement.
Yes they need a light up button for sure lol it's easy to lose track of in and out but I listen for the noise of motor as well
lot of things to like about this bike. really quick off the line and a hill climbing beast. but... i really don't care for the frame design with that curve in it. looks a little weird. and while it's nice to be able to pull out the battery easily, it's not aesthetically pleasing. and yeah i agree with you on the folding feature. kind of pointless with a 92 lb bike. good review!
Hi, nice bike, if you put panniers or saddle bags on the back will you heel hit the bag?
very very good review !!! PRO !!! thankssss
Dear "President" Citizen! Ha Ha! AWESOME REVIEW! Exactly what I was looking for. I emailed you earlier and asked a few specific questions that I had hoped you would address on this particular bike. I never heard back ( which I totally understand. You're busy. ), but you addressed all the questions I had. THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Your reviews are so in depth and your explanations are so clear. I was one that wondered about shifting the turbo button "on the fly". WONDERFUL EXAMPLE! Perhaps a suggestion to know if the "turbo" button is "On or Off"........ Have a little green or red light show up on the digital display. Sounds simple... I am probably going to buy this one when they open them to the United States thanks to you. I had never heard of this manufacturer, but thanks to you I've found something that seems like it will fit me. ( Old Motorcycle rider that wants "speed" if I want it and to be able to climb a hill if I need it. ). Thank you again!
Hi Jon, So sorry yes I am extremely behind on my email, Glad I covered most of your questions though.🙂 Fabulous makes some pretty nice and powerful bikes!
What fabulous dual motor step thru would you recommend for hunting
Thank you for the review and all of the info. Do you know if I can use a steady rack on the HavocX2 with the way the front fender is set up?
I would LOVE to see a comparsion between the Wired Freedom and new Havoc X2 (the two bikes I'm considering buying this fall). Thanks. : )
i have a dumb ? you can use a plug kit on motorcycles with solid rims tubeless ... does this concept work for ebikes / do they make tubeless tires you can plug with a car plug kit ?
Your hill climb is achieved because of the smaller diameter wheels....it adds torque to a hub motor....Have you ever tried any other small wheel, 750 hub motored bikes?
Yes I've tried a ton of 20in wheel bikes and yes the smaller wheels seem to have slightly better torque. The hill climb power on this bike was due to the dual motors, 2 motors pulling you up the hill makes a huge difference!
Brian, how does the torque sensor work? Any idea what the controller specs are?
Citizen,your causing Havoc down in NC. Awesome review 👍👍
I'm wondering how high a cloud 9 on a good suspension post is going to get that seat up to? 39 plus?
Love your reviews. Im thinking of getting the eahora juliet 60 ah 1000 watt bike for my wife and I. Would love to see you do a full review on these. There doesnt seem to be any good reviews available to watch on you tube. Just delivery guys showing range tests.
Question is.. Are there any faster or more powerful folding E Bikes made with dual motors and dual suspension ?
Seems like it would be more useful if you could set the front motor to a lower power mode to reduce wheel slip.
Or maybe you could slightly twist the throttle so it won't do that. It seems like the Ariel Rider grizzly where people either want to burnout or just want the quickest acceleration but I've never seen anyone not full turn the throttle.
Great review,I'm not a fan of the 20 in.bikes but that was an impressive performance
What's the slope on the first long hill?
And what is the slope rating on this e-bike.
Their website doesn't specify it from what I can see.
That white wall zigzag would look nice on it
This thing is a little beast! Grrrr...
You ahould try to get the aehora juliet,if it can be posible
Hopefully you get a production dual suspension like this. instead of the step through.
Whats max weight and max weight for rear rack ?
Good video as usual brother! I didn't hear you mention the controller. Does it have 2 controllers for both motors? How many amps is the controller? Thanks!
Just one controller and I believe it's 22 amps.
@@CitizenCycle925 2 controllers 22amp each. but slightly tweaked.
Why can’t I find any videos on the Havoc 2 unboxing and setup? Do they come fully assembled? I also never see anyone showing how they fold?
They're pretty much fully assembled when you receive them you just have to unfold them.
@@CitizenCycle925 Nice! I’m really interested in this bike! Thanks! Also I can never find accessories for them. You have a link? Thanks!!!
Awesome they getting it rite knows what people want!! 👍👍
Pretty cool bike
Hi, this bike is really awesome!! What's the top speed of using both motor and using rear motor only? Any difference? I am considering a AWD after seeing this.
the reason folding bikes make no sense for you is because you have a pick up truck. They are handy for people with SUV or smaller.
I don't want to ever use a rack or buy a truck or van for just a bike.
Please show bike-folding.
APARTMENT dwellers need folding bikes! Minimize footprint at home, in elevator, at your destination cubicle or friend's place.
Loading into a vehicle is a nice option too.
I have 2 fold up bikes, a heybike mars and a lectric both fit in my Volvo S70 trunk but only one bike per trunk fit, but each fit... they are kinda awkward folding up. What makes sense for me is when the old Volvo needs service, I take a bike , and drop off the car... and then pick it up the same way.
@@PaulGhenisIt's not just about folding, I think these ebikes need to be able to pushed/pulled on wheels (once folded), and I would like to see that as well. I would like to see these ebikes folded and pulled/pushed up a ramp to go to public transit platform or elevator level.
Whats the range maxed out throttle only?
They did a great job with this bike. I wonder why it looks exactly like the Amp Rides Volt bike? 😁
Well citizen looks like you found the bike to match the citizen cycle
Hey Citizen, i’ve been trying to message you about the wired freedom bike and ask how is the pedaling on that bike because the company tells me that you can pedal that bike up to 25 to 30 mph without ghost pedaling is this true before I spend 2K on this bike?
Drag race your citizen bike!
When is the road warrior x2 review? Would like to see this havoc x2 vs your citizen?
Fabulous “Fabulous” !!!
Can someone 5'4" reach the floor with the seat all the way down?
I hope you get one of these bikes soon and get to test the speed Vs the Road Warrior and Wired bikes.. Also a hill test vs the Wired Freedom..👍😎
Havoc is way faster off the line than Wired and Road Warrior, have a video out on this called "ebike acceleration challenge"
I need a,Monster to pull the pass with cart in tow
I like it. I'm not a fan of the look of mopeds, as much as I'd like a Grizzly. But that headlight. Same as on the Lectric which can't take the rough pavement?
Great video thanks.
How does this work if USA and Canada have the 500W limit?
It is illegal
Hey i live inn Kernersville North Carolina Is There A Way I Can Pay U To Put Me A Front Hub System On My Ebike Like U Got Ur Citizens Bike
Are you getting a lot of your test bikes from what's his name Bolton
What is the price for this ebike
Way of the future with choices and variations; single motors, duel motors and sizes with color choices etc. Government will be offering tax incentive to buy ebikes. All this is good for those of us who enjoy getting around on them.
Wow I remember when you had 1k followers I haven't been here since you finished your custom radrover...that was Soo dope to watch...what's happened to that bike?
Front spinout is a problem. Dual ebikes should set up lower torque, higher RPM front motor. Still high total torque. Faster top speed.
It's quick and capable climbing hills due to the smaller wheel diameter..
Will it take the wired
Should I put Front wheel motor on the back rear wheel I am serious
I guess i'm not sure what you mean exactly
@@CitizenCycle925 i got front wheel motor can I put this on the back of bicycle wheel. Switch it
@John High if the dropout spacing is the same then yes
@@CitizenCycle925 okay thank you
Love the joy🎉😂🎉
Do this company let u keep the bike ⁉️
I wonder which is faster and which has more range, this one or the 1500w amp rides! Both are my dream bikes!!
Also, comparing them to the ariel grizzly would be epic
Did I miss it? What is unlocked top speed?
This prototype had the controller locked down at 26mph. But fabulous tells me the production models go 34mph
100 Nm of torque didn't hurt in rear wheel on the hill. 60V helps
Oh golly gee, if you actually turn the front motor on after you are rolling, you don't get spin. You make some really entertaining videos. You were one of if not the first ebike channels I subscribed to, but I do wish you did a few things differently. That being said, it's your channel, so you do you.
On the bike itself, the bike seems great. I'd say the lights are the weak point, both the front and back. My opinion is that if you can't see the headlight during the day at all, I don't think it would be great at night. The taillight I think is way too small. Seems they want to rely on the reflector to be seen. This isn't a production bike, so that could be fixed.
Something that I haven't seen in any major brand that my bike has and I think is a good idea is an audible alert for both the turn signals and breaks. It gives cars a bit extra notice of what you are doing. That's not a knock on anyone, as I know many riders would turn it off anyway.
I dont like how it dosent say the speed on their website
This or the Wired Freedom?
i guess it depends what you are looking for. Fabulous is probably stronger on hills and definitely faster off the line. Wired has way more top end speed, is lighter weight, lower seat height, and is way cheaper..
Not sold on dual motors, front dropouts were never designed to pull the entire weight of the bike plus the rider. If you really need to go that fast just get a 3000 or 5000 watt direct drive with a 72 volt system.
I have the same forks on my dual motor e-bike from Fabulous E-Bikes. They are designed for use with a front motor so its quite different from when someone adds a second motor to a regular rear-motor e-bike equipped with forks not designed for the torque a front motor adds. For me the second motor isn't about speed so much. I do enjoy the acceleration boost but also the improved hill climbing.
@@rossmacintosh5652 that's a nice bike, who makes the forks? I've heard RST forks can handle a motor. I've seen some on Amazon for 130ish but I don't know if those are the ones.
@@bassw1758 I'm thinking RST is the manufacturer of the forks & model is "Guide" but it's hard to be sure. I know RST market some forks as "e-bike ready" which suggests those have the heaver lugs. They don't use a torque arm but use heavy washers with tabs that fix the axle in the lugs, resisting torque forces from turning the axle. They can't be used with quick-release axles. The torque-resisting washers with tabs is very similar to what most e-bike manufacturers use on rear motor axles. (I think the washers on a Fabulous E-bike are the same front and rear). They seem to work fine for the 500w and 750w motors but I'd be less confident if used with much bigger motors. With a bigger motor a torque arm might be necessary.
What kind of price range for the 3k to 5k bikes. Thanks
I think k that I would still go with the AR Grizzly awd. This Havoc Xe does not look as durable.
Wow
The blemishes don't really show up on the video
That's a little overkill for me, but I guess if you're a wild and crazy guy, you might want it.
So are these bikes made in China and sold in Canada or are they actually made in Canada ?
Everything is always made in China.
Made in China
Love all the accessories and power but just hate the look , it's just ugly to me that's why I bought the Wired
Cruiser .
Hey citizen, another great video. How come you never do a review on the ecells 1500awd super monarch. I had a chance to finally ride one, it will beat ALL 750WATT AWD BIKES AND MOST 1000WATT. IMIGINE IF THEY HAD 60VOLT. Ecells will beat the citizen bike.
Unfortunately I don't know anyone close by with an ecells bike and it's far too expensive for me to buy one Especially when I have what I think is a better version in my garage already with the citizen bike.
@@CitizenCycle925 well said.
It’s 90 lbs without the battery installed? 😮 p.s.: It technical didn’t make it up that hill, it literally made it up that hill. 😀
Top speed
None of the reviews for this bike speak about range. Is there anytime who owns this bike or has tested one that can comment on that estimates please?
Looked like the wired has more performance
Bet it beats the price
cant wait til you get your hands on a 72 volt🤣
56t chainring 11to 36 cassette 7 speed
I ride a VSETT 10+ scooter. Looking for an ebike; but find 95% of the market offerings underwhelming at best. The world needs faster ebikes, this looks promising....Hint: UNLOCK RUGER
Lol.. Speed racer button turbo booster..😂
That battery is an eye sore.
Um u should stop recommending a brand the attaches it’s social media links to other companies. That’s very suspicious
You're not getting a full stretch of your legs on that bike
Handle bar too far for shorter riders..and the seat too high to..should. Be lower to accommodate shorter riders like your wifey..not too tall as you..!
Another free ebike for paid advertising
Somebody's jealous 🐸 jajajajajaaa
Actually it gets shipped back 🙂
I just bought a 2000w dual electric bike 26 inch