Loved watching this. I was a student at the Flag Fen dig in 1993. Francis is such an exuberant, inspirational and funny guy. Francis and Maisie seemed like such a lovely couple. Will always have great memories.
I was taught how to 'read' the landscape by my mother when, as a child, we helped her friend in the excavations of the Lunt Fort, just outside Coventry. This has stayed with me and has been augmented by 'reading' ancient and historic buildings. At 16 or so mins on here, they are doing just that - reading the landscape, and it is utterly facinating. My wife and I have instilled this interest into our son and, as a Scout and Cub leader for a decade ,I hope I managed to pass on some of my sense of awe and wonder for it. Francis and the BBC [at its best], thank you for this series.
It’s wonderful to see that the archeological finds, debunk the hypothesis that the inhabitants of these shores were savages. As a civilization we mastered our environment and made significant contributions throughout our history, long may this continue.
I think he goes too though in his attitude the romans did nothing really for us and we'd have been better off without them. They gave us baths, mosaics, underfloor heating, paved roads, concrete buildings, written language..... They were not simply bloodthirsty conquerors, even Mary Beard argues they were so successful because they were so good at absorbing other people into their empire with all their different religions and traditions. Lots of outsiders wanted to be part of the empire and wanted to be a roman citizen.
@@lw3646 Well didn't people want to join as a sword was at their throats. You joined as a fighter or slave or you hightailed yourself away to the lands outside of their Empire. Reject all of those 3 options the remaining option was death. They were blood-thirsty conquerors who also had a developed system. But they arrived with the intention of goverment with a deloped system of governors. But there plans on how to take over were to set one Tribe as their Over-Lord Tribe who supported them (The Rex Romanum). Once setting one tribe up they used the tribe to help destroy the others or to absorb them in to their conquering Empire based on slavery. Oh they may have had Baths and some seemingly civilised culture. But that was for themselves and their elites or soldiers. So you can forget the idea that the civilised Romano cultur was for all. IE the stone quarry slaves, the tin quarry slaves and all the other subjugated non Romans. But of course if you see the rape of Boudica's two daughters as civilised then I understand where you are coming from. Rape may have been your idea of civilising but it is not every ones. Those civilised Romans you imagined in the first century were burning Christians as Roman Candels for entertainment along with watching Christians or others fight lions in an enclosure where the intended victim could not escape. Cruzerfixion was another method of Roman Civilisation.
History is so intersting to study. Rome in 600BC was probably still mostly huts surrounded by swamps. They advanced very fast though so by 100BC there was no power really that could now challenge them expect the Persians in the East.
Who did you mean by The Egyptians as as by the time the Romans arrived the Pharohs were Macedonian or Greek. The land was likely still refered to as Egypt but the Gups (Cops (Egyptians)) were long centuries under the Greeks or Macedonians. Cleopatra Queen of Egypt was a Macedonian and not an Egyptian (A Gup (Cop of Coptic).
@@annpartoon5300 Not really. It should be restricted to British Schools whilst English History should be taught in English Schools and maybe irish in Irish Schools and Scottish in Scotland. What has been taught in so called British schools is far far far from reality that it's really a traversty. Total neglect of other people's history resulted in English people who were never conquered or under Roman enslavement or rule being taught that they were amoung the conquered Britians on the Isles. If you had your way you would try to teach everyone the Druids were their priesthood. But clearly they were not. I believe a balanced history appropriate to the person should be taught if history is taught. Not your post revisionist history. One factor included in the teachings maybe should be when the term Britan first came in use. As the truth is that no one really knows where the Henge builder occupants came from or who they were. They could have been from what is known now adays as the Russian Steppe or the Middle East or Africa. Maybe they were Neo-lithic Neanderthals or Cro-Magnians. Gauls or Bell Beakers, Bu we know at the tme of the Roman arrivals all the southern tribes were Belgaic in origin (From the Wash to the Seven). So calling evryone and all through out time Britians is revisionist history as clearly The britians were those who during the times of King Vortigen those calling for help from The Angles to help them against the maurading Scots, Irish and Picts. So at that time there were some remanants of Brits who clearly did not consider the other Islelanders to be Brits. Other wise your history would be one of inter Britannic in-fighting. IE a civil war. But it was not like that.
10:06 my thinking too, many so-called specialist jump to hasty, misleading conclusions based on excavations, whereas foreign to the place artefacts mean only that there were trading contacts
Complaining about the video quality , you people make me sick , this is free information , you have not paid to watch this important film , you have Been given it for free, no charge , i for one will be archiving this with a RUclips downloader program to save this ,
This is a superb series and Pryor's accompanying books are essential reading. It's so typical of us indigenous Brits to undervalue our rich heritage and culture. That attitude has done so much damage to our architecture and cityscapes, to our demography and ultimately our national security.
Thankyou for posting this. I knew about Francis from Time Team, but the context he gives completes the idea of Brits being Brits. The producers on Time Team did fellow archaeologist Phil Harding mitochondrial DNA, that proved his to be as British as he could be. 100% ! Francis briefly shows the Seahenge, which he & his wife Maisie (can't remember her last name) transfered to the nearby Flag Fen museum, replanting it there. Such a completed circle. My family are Celtic, noting Scottish descent via my great Grandparents & their daughter. I inadvertently found Scottish things attractive before I found out about my ancestors. I had regular dna done & 8% Macedonian was thrown in , 92% Celtic ...someone was trading pottery or copper somewhere in the past...lol
I really enjoyed watching this - very thought provoking. I did wonder if the body of the 'peat man' in the British Museum could have been naked in order to humiliate him as part of his punishment - given the drawn out method of his murder rather than a sacrifcial practice.
Didn't the Picts used to fight naked though in blue war paint so maybe nudity wasn't an issue? I'd have wanted to wrap up though back then, I imagine them wearing lots of wool and fur in the winter.
stone age britain was for most part a forested landscape with a lot of big dangerous animals . wild boar ,wolves ,bears and aurochs ect. and when the first farmers started to setle down they needed to be safe especially at night . the most obvious solution was to build a wooden stockade around the seltement to keep the animals out which evolved into the so called hill forts, not to make statment in the landscape or to stop the next tribe attacking them. a lot of the so called processional walkways where probably no more than driveways for cattle or deer or domesticated wild boar.man was pretty insignificant at that time with a population that probably would not have filled a medium sized town today.
I was also very suprised by the amount, or lack of, actual British history in the British Museum. There is so little I actually failed to spot it amoungst all the other artifacts when I visited first time around. :(
There's a fair bit of the Saxons there, I know they come later but it's still British History. I think it's still fair to say though that it's still a period we know the least about and some of the remains we do have are difficult to teach because they are so open to interpretation. If you ever get a chance to go to Avebury though it's worth a visit. The title The British Museum is a bit misleading because its always been about the ancient history of the whole world.
@@mizofan The English people are partly descended from the ancient Britons. The term "Anglo-Saxon" refers to a time period, and the language which was spoken in that time period, which took hundreds of words from ancient British.
@@daragildea7434 The term "Anglo-Saxon" refers to the Angles and Saxons who brought their own language with them in post Romano Britain. The Brits, Wilsch, Scots, Picts and Irish were already on the Isles when the Angles, Jutes and Saxons arrived. So they were not partly desended from the ancient Britians.
Ive lived in the U.S all my 43 years, and I cant imagine what it would be like living on a body of land that has had humans living there for 40+ thousand years. Its cool enough that there are the occasional find from Clovis culture peoples here but those early American cultures had relatively small population and goes back only 11000 years.
Great information from a man of letters giving an opinion which he is prepared to have examined by his peers.He has done so much work that no doubt many ideas he has had have ended in the bin or fire and he has rethaught his ideas again.Unlike the utubers who believe 2 episodes of alien wierd theory make them researchers. Brexit should not be about history but about now.Please let us have the truth about history and leave national pride out of it.I am British ,living in France,I owe much to both nations but would never say either was better than the other or anyother. Find faults in yourself,your ideas,your nation .Then look for the solution,blame no one and be honest.Strong people have the confidence to admit their faults and move to correct them.The weak never admit their weakness,crush the truth and dominate through lies and fear,this they then call truth. Think of anyone who ever bullied you:Parents,siblings,girlfriends,boyfriends,white folk,black folk,the facists,the communists,all the other bloodyists,including all the religions. Now ,question everything you ever learnt and start without bias to pose deeper questions:Do you really hate?Are you more normal than those around you?Do you truely understand the world/nature in your neighbourhood?Am I a good person?What is the spelling of a confusing mix of green and blue called and how do you pronounce that(and does it fucking matter) and could you write an essay to definitively proove your arguement in less than 2 pages of A4 paper and send it to :Oxford,Harvard,Cambridge,Yale and Little Bottom on the Brook Universities. Thank you if you read this far,your doctor is probably busy.
In early America when you built a log canoe, you would sink it in the river during the winter to prevent cracking and splitting. As they saw at the 46.00 minute mark when they raised the canoe it was still fresh and light colored. Then it aged under their care. See this video of American early settlers. ruclips.net/video/vVQHoWhYSLE/видео.html
Well, civilized is a subjective term. He's not trying to say that their civilization is on the same scale as the Romans. He is saying that they do have a functioning civilization, not just a collection of isolated barbarian tribes.
Most interesting ! It would be perfect if only RP didn't leave out the fact that farming, pottery, weaponry, housing, etc... all 'appeared' globally at the same time ! So there must have been exchanges, imports... and exports...
+Jesse CRAIGNOU " _the fact that farming, pottery, weaponry, housing, etc... all 'appeared' globally at the same time !_ " unfortunately for your comment that little fact you invented isn't true.
Also the Celt were civilised in their attitudes-the old,infirm and young were respected and taken care of whereas in Rome unwanted babies were left on the rubbish tips and the old and infirm were trampled or starved to death...
What if the tree trunk was turned upside down for scientific reasons. Maybe they recognized the similarity of roots and branches and turned it upside down to see if the branches would begin to function as roots and if the trunk would then sprout branches.
Wow. I like it. When I saw the image, I remembered something I'd seen recently in a garden, where somebody had put semi-circular benches around an upturned base of a tree, for decoration. I'm sure religion and belief has been important for a long time, but curiosity, whimsy, and fun are also important parts of being a human. I like your idea.
@@emsnewssupkis6453 Are all your ancestors amoung the slain? As for hundreds of years Pirates were rooted out and slain or later Pirates were Hung from the Yardarms or Tyburn. Even today across most of Europe theives, rapists and hostage takers are imprisoned or punished. You may also notice that the tendancy is no one complains when villiens, theives hostage takers and pirates are imprisoned.
@@MikeGreenwood51 Pettit went to the English colonies in Mass. and NY and retired. Remember: this was when England was at war with other powers in Europe in the 1600s.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Francis. This nonsense about our history beginning with the Romans HAS to end. There is mountains of detailed history available telling how the 'Siriyans' migrated here in 1600 BC. Which is why we have a county called Surrey. Boats have been found in the Humber estuary which were labelled as 'Saxon.' Until -- years after someone had the good idea of carbon dating the wood of a boat and found to the archeological fraternity's great embarrassment, that the boats were made in 1600 BC -- which is when this mass migration arrived here. King Albine (I think??) is well recorded and he and his people originate from the ten tribes of Israel who were taken from their territory by Nebuchadnezzar. They managed to escape when one of his sons became king and a feud ensured -- one brother killed another and in the chaos the Tribes escaped and eventually reached what is now Constantinople and from there they all -- a large part of -- the Ten Tribes took ship to the 'Great Green Island' i.e. HERE. There was another migration in 500 BC from Lemnos by the Trojans -- another part of the Ten Tribes who left Troy after a nine year war (siege) by the Egyptians (also well recorded but conventional dating of ancient Egypt is a confused mess that Egyptologists refuse to admit) Hence the Pharaoh and the Trojan war / siege cannot be found). But it is very well recorded in the history of the Kyhmru / Cymru i.e. the 'Welsh,' that King Brutus and his people sailed from Lemnos in 500 BC (a stone tablet in coelbren -- the ancient straight line character alphabet was found on Lemnos recording the migration and specifically mentioning King Brutus) and were accepted into this land because they were part of the same people who arrived in 1600 BC i.e. the Ten Tribes. ALL this history is minutely documented, but the problem has been -- and is -- that Historians treated Troy as a myth (from Homer's Iliad) hence any history of these islands was myth ONLY; so all references to the Kyhrmu / later Kyhmru / Cymru was suppressed. Indeed so has all subsequent 'Welsh' / Cymru history. Including King Arthur's ONE and TWO. Which was known and taught in Welsh schools till 1924 when all the history books were changed to ENGLISH history hence 'Arthurs' I and II have become myth. So; lets hear more Francis you are beginning to straighten the record of ALL our ancient history of these islands.
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The opening statement rom 1.32 reminds me of the Monty Python sketch in the Life of Brian... Apart from Roads,Aqueducts,Law and order what have the Romans ever done for us? They should do a rewrite of that with this guy refuting it.Just saw Tony's statement under this so I am not alone....
Other then slavery and taken land off of peoples nothing much more. Dam Romans dam Germanic/Normanic tribes keeping invading and taking people as slaves and carp given real Briton a bad name the real Celtic people druids.
@@allmightlionthunder5515 Read the 'Groans of The Britons and the letter sent to The Romans asking them to come-back as the britians were dead meat for the fishes or micro flaura that removed the putreyfying corpses. Britians did not deal with the Normans at all except Geffory of Monmoth tried to get on their side against the English but was thaughted when the Normans broke camp and left. So those three Germanic tribes of Angles (English) Saxons and Jutes were in fact the saviours of the Britians. They were requested to come as the Romans refused to save the remaining Britians. The request was for mercenaries to save the Britians from the Scots, Picts and Irish who were driving down and killing the pro Roman Brits under the false idology that King Votigen was Rex Romanum of King of the Britans. But of the five tribes who resided in what became known as Wales only Vortigen was known as pro Roman and pro the enslavement of the other tribes. The 'Groans of The Britons' clearly states the case at the time that the other tribes (Scots, Irish & Picts slughtered the Brits on land driving those Brits to the seas and if they did not die on the land then they died in the sea. All that happened before the establishment of the Kingdom of Wessex. So again it was the West Saxons (Germanic tribes or Germanic as seen by many Brits who see everyone east as Germanic) that fought their cosines The Danes and eventually overthrew them. They also fought the Normans and Vikings. The English fought the Scots almost immediatly they arrived in Kent and drove them north along with driving the Irish away also. So if some Brits survived it was largely thanks to those so called Germanic tribes you so love to hate. Being as how the claimants of Kingship (Rex Romanum Vortigen) so loved his status as a pro Roman (Arthurian Legend, being that Arthur was a Romano British Desendant) and mostly hated as you do when the arriving requested mercenaries threw the remaining Romans from the Villa windows as happened in Gaul after Roman withdrawal. Then maybe such annoys you and you find it offensive but it was an action saving the Britons. Those Britons stayed west (Wales) and did not venture out to fight their so called enemies whome they had called the Germanc tribes to fight. Not coming out left the entire south Belgaic Tribal lands unprotected and consequently they amalgamated and accepted the English, Saxons and Jutes as the new boys on the block. Did you every wonder how those few Mercenaries were able to fight their way all the way west wards with out great opposition. Well that was how. They were accepted as liberators and not as enemies. Remember your Pro Ramano pro Arthurians would have kept the Guals under Roman enslavement also along with the other inhabitants of the Lands which eventually became England. Had the Brits fought their own battles then things may have been different. But the likly difference would have been dead or mostly dead Brits.
+Celto Loco thanks for the reply! I am truly fascinated by our prehistory, I'd like to know who were the first people's to settle the British Isles and their history. ....they lived for many millennium and we only know them from Roman times on, but so little of who they were and their many years of lore and hidden history...
The sarsen stone phase was built in 2500 BC. The monument was completed to its current arrangement in 2200 BC; the main large phase was already complete; when we say 'completed' we are talking about final rearrangements of the bluestones into what we see today. The sarsen structure took between 40-100 years to build. What do you expect when the population was tiny? They didn't have masses of SLAVES, like some other cultures nor kings to order the workforce. It was community.
There is one thing the 'great' ancient cultures share in common: they're dead cultures. For all their wisdom, all their creativity and ingenuity, they lacked one thing, and that is how to build a civilization that could last. The things you refer to: philosophy, poetry, inventions were present in ancient primeval cultures as well. The celts had been living --successfully-- as they always had for nearly 4000 years, literally extended from prehistory.
Farmers migrated from Central Europe? Why would they do that? They must not have been very good farmers if they felt the need to migrate thousands of miles to a colder climate where cultivation would be more difficult!?
The cultures in this video are long pre-celtic. I think knowing the metonic cycle of the moon before 3000 BC as well as other lunar/solar events slightly later shows some knowledge. Trade was going on with the Baltic, Iberia and even as far away as Mycenae (not incoming items but OUT-going.)
MANY CULTURES CLAIM BRITON WAS NOTHING BUT CAVEMEN? That they were undisciplined, unruly and without a culture of their own? It's not true. Briton was rich in pre-history. Prior to the Roman occupation there was little in the way of a written language, (It wasn't needed by so small a nation). Civilization to some includes an alphabet and a numeral system.( The Brits used symbols and did have a numbers system) Also a civilized people would have something of value to trade, something that another nation would want. Briton had tin and coal. Also it's understood by some that clothing was manufactured here from animal hides that resembled modern day leather. Tatted and properly cleaned, safe from odor or bacteria, and rugged enough for warriors, leather was in demand. The Romans wanted the tin to add to their armor. It produced rigidness, shine, and hardened the metal to help protect them in battle. Britons beautiful fair skinned women were also desired by kings, sultans, and emperors. Especially the red and blond haired women of the far north. Outsiders believed Briton had nothing...because few stone structures remain. In truth most people built their structures with whatever was around them in quantity. in this case is was wood. England was rich in it. The only problem was being burned out by an enemy. Britons were a war like people but there's no proof that they made war on each other. Clans consisted of as little as 30 members and up to a few thousand. Clans distrusted each other but didn't murder or pillage each other without cause. Local farmers traded freely and without incident. Outsiders to the island would have been fought to the death and most neighboring countries avoided Briton as well as Ireland. It wasn't until Christianity took hold that they became weakened. 500-700 years later the Vikings came and wrecked havoc. The Normans and then the Anglo-Saxons did the same.
Follow The Sun Yes and sometime on the British repeated their negative experience by invading Australia (and other countries) and reported horrid diminishing lies about the indigenous people who had been living there for *60,000 years and completely decimated their culture. Sad 🙁
So the Britains were people before the Celts. And evidence of similar people existing on the mainland but being replaced or intricateing into the Celtic way of life. Shall we give these people a name? Or does British work, or Bretons?
Counting prehistory, they carried a culture nearly 20,000 years old borne of the ice age, and while they lacked the 'sophistication' of the greek, egyptians and romans, they did have a culture that knew how to live. Egyptians, greeks and romans consumed in each other, and ultimately fell into their own historical oblivion. The civilization you praise is bound by natural laws found in ecology, and these ancient civilizations trumped those rules left and right, and rightly suffered for it.
why does it seem a lot of british experts they use on these shows have speech impediments? they are brilliant people but, goodness, did the people not receive proper speech therapy if needed?on a different note...I love this dude.
Far more than I like to admit, actually. And no documentary is truly unbiased, they are either for or against the subject matter. Especially when it comes to prehistory. And these are no different. However, I do agree with your last point. Too many ignore the fact that for centuries after the ice age, Britain was still connected to the mainland via and land bridge
Actually, not so much as you might think. Yes, multiple invasians but the original genepool was so small and expanded by genetic drift, that there is a similar prehistoric ancestry in most Britons, especially in maternal lines. This of course is true in other countries as well. And Britain's prehistoric past is NOT much connected with northern Europe but to the western coasts-Iberia and northern France.
What about the intricate, and international bronze trade organizations they've created? To have international trade, between numerous tribes almost by definition means that they weren't "isolated barbarians". Look, obviously they weren't the Roman empire, no ones saying that. That doesn't mean they were barbarians. Do you know how hard it was to put together those "couple rocks" of Stonehenge? Or the "couple rocks" of Skara Brae?
The ancient Britons were extremely civilised. They lived through an allodial system, whereby there was no overlordship over the people. All the people shared the land and thus the produce. A true community... The Romans wiped out the ancient history of the Britons ...and subsequently by the Saxons... Norman ... Germans
Caesar was NEVER defeated by the Britains. He defeated them in every battle and took from them what he wanted. The problem for Caesar is that his spies mistook the brass and bronze the Britains wore for gold. Caesar was expecting to leave Brittain with hundreds of thousands of gold arm bands and rings. What he got was bras and bronze arm bands and rings.
To Kraigthorne Juliohim Caesarhim left Britian on both occasions 54 & 55 BCE. Never to return. He wrote books about his attempts. You can read his views.
I have no doubt Pryor is a good archaeologist and is highly knowledgeable in his field , but he and most of his generation got it so wrong pushing for population continuity throughout British history (the 'pots aren't people' argument) . Thanks to DNA we now know they were wrong about Neolithic farmers , wrong about Bell Beakers , wrong about Anglo-Saxons . Big cultural and language changes happened due to huge numbers of arrivals from the continent . Have Pryor , and others , accepted they were wrong yet ?
There are 22 breeds of sheep in the British Isles that have not been cross bred or "improved" through modern animal husbandry. Their genes can be traced back thousands of years. So yes, primitive, pre-Roman type sheep can still be found.
He's being a bit disingenuous saying the romans didn't give us roads. True we probably had dirt paths but proper paved roads were surely introduced by the romans. They created the first towns in Britain, proper masonry, new imported foods, aqueducts.....
love that version francis, were our own people, so i cant understand why you dont want to leave the EU isnt that just another invasion, they even want control of our army ?
No it is not another invasion. There were never any EU military troops on our islands. That being said, the bloody Normans were French, as were the Plantagenets, and the Hanoverians were German. We're not some kind of separate race.
maxdecphoenix where does that hatred of yours come from? And who loved you so little that you hate so much. As long as people have feet and males have penises - we will ALL keep moving around this planet and creating babies with each other. We are all each other. We need to find way to be at peace with each other for the safety and well being of all of us. .
This show would be so much more interesting in the form of a straight-forward history rather than a man's battle against the ghosts of the cartoons he was taught in school decades ago. So much anger in this documentary about things that happened thousands of years ago.
Some of us get highly irritated about having been lied to. And if what's being taught in schools now is untrue, it's not happening thousands of years ago.
We are the descendants of the ancient circle-makers, who built Stone-henge... Possibly 5,000 years ago or possibly 70,000 years ago. No one knows because you can't carbon-date rocks, and the Romans stole/destroyed or vandalized most of our ancient history. buwa boudis ac swos
Haxxor Soniq You can carbon date the material at the bottom of the holes the stones are stood in and the bottom of ditches around them. Its reckoned to be built around 3000BCE.
Paul Murray I get what you're saying, but carbon dating dead bugs under the stones is hardly conclusive evidence. You may well be right, but at present there is simply no way to know for sure. Even the stars move around the sky in millennia long cycles, so astronomical dating is just as flawed. All I'll say is this - it's very clear that the Romans have spent 2,000 years destroying, damaging and deceiving us about basically EVERYTHING about our true British history. (same as the Jews and every other conquered race). So any information coming from the BBC or British museum should be considered as Roman propaganda. Why oh why didn't the Druids keep a secure written history..... Doh.
Haxxor Soniq Ok I'll just add this little fact....just after the Ice began melting there was NO continental gap between Brittan and main land Europe. This fact presumes that agriculture found its way to the island by foot. scientists concluded that their DNA most closely resembles that of the earliest hunter-gatherers to have arrived when Britain became habitable again after the Ice Age. Surprisingly, the study showed no genetic basis for a single “Celtic” group, with people living in Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and Cornwall being among the most different form each other genetically. “There were very large numbers of people - hundreds of thousands - in those parts of Britain, so to have a substantial impact on genetics there would have to be very large numbers of them,” said Robinson. “The fact that we don’t see that reflects the numbers rather than the relative allure or lack thereof of Scandinavian men to British women.” one of my sources: www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry
Paul Murray Your right, but not just 'carbon dating'...that's just the ole fashion term and method thrown around in the movies...RELATIVE DATING IN ARCHEOLOGY The question, How old is it?, is basic to the science of archaeology. Dating methods, such as radiocarbon dating, dendro-chronology or tree-ring dating, and potassium -argon dating, that may furnish an absolute date for an archaeological site, are a contribu tion of the physical and the natural sciences. But absolute dating methods are not always useful; the particular circumstances to which they apply do not exist at every site. In such cases, archaeologists may employ relative dating techniques. Relative dating places assemblages of artifacts in time, in relation to [artifact] types similar in form and function. Stratigraphy can be described as a "layer cake" type arrangement of deposits called strata with the older layer beneath the latest. This technique helps the archaeologist arrange the site in a vertical temporal sequence, which may then be compared to sites of similar age or type. The science of dating is pretty acurate..and is cross science techniques... www.ehow.com/info_8367294_anthropology-dating-techniques.html Don't expect from Haxxor Soniq anything but an argument because that's all he is here for. just understand that when a paper is published it undergoes plenty of scrutiny from many and you won't find 'Haxxor Soniq' publishing anything. His whole assumption is "if I don't like it they are lying"...The people that spend all that time and effort at a dig are pretty honest and want accuracy... unless, they are like Haxxxxxor Song who only wants his opinion. A true scientist, if new evidence emerges, wants it known and operates with the understanding that techniques are discovered all the time that are more accurate.
The original post-ice agers from Scandinavia hated the new comer Celts, and they all hated the new wave of Gauls, and all of them hated the Romans, and all of them hated the Angles, Jutes, and Saxons, and all of them hated the Danes and Norse, and all of them hated the Normans.
truly humane people are extremly rare even in so called civilized societys there is always cruelty although subtile, forcing children to accept phony love as real
Some of us do. You're assumption that we all do is poorly thought out, and a broad and sweeping generalization, definitely a cornerstone of the cultures you espouse. The Helstatt and La Tene cultures predated Greek and Roman 'ingenuity' by about a few thousand years, and the term 'uncivilized' is surely a opinion best left to the eye of the beholder. Roman and Greek culture is really a hybrid of Babylonian culture, and it's largely unsustainable.
Highly believable Francis, though your views are questionable on how other's saw the Britons especially the Romans who DID bring to Britain a European regimented civilization and not leaving it as a rural antiquated back water.
4 miles of tunnels and 30 miles expected undiscovered. Can you imagine the amount of work that shit took! Most used slaves it was so grueling of a labour. They said some 6 year old children did some of it. Are you sure they weren't dwarves.
To be fair no one ever claimed the Romans brought farming, cow paths and dogs to Britannia. What they brought was an organized sophisticated culture, government and bureaucracy. They brought a world view and built a nation state Britain which was conveniently left to Brits when they vacated the place.... They wrote down the laws. That's important. They built a national road system as a military tactic and for pillaging the occupied place. But it united the country.... The Pre-Romans had zero architecture compared to the Romans. No city remotely resembling Rome.The natives were probably as close to being cavemen as they were to being Roman. Lol!
or middle east or africa or china or australia? one they did for sure: EXPLOITED drained all resources they could then made unnecessary borders to keep hate flames always alive. and you know what?! they succeeded in it
leaving hammerstones behind in a mine has nothing to do with rituals. abandoning a boat in the mud doesnt mean its special mud or a special boat. people make this shit up because they have no other ideas, which shows how reaching & full of bs the so called scholars of today are.
Furthermore, I see a great deal of people, so fed up with the monotony and assembly-line aspects of Greek and Roman civilization that have been carried down into present civilization that many are eager to get back to the earth, eager to govern themselves, eager to trust their own resourcefulness, and eager to be a creature participating in the whole life biome of this planet that they've all but lost faith in things you praise. I'm sure it's with good reason, too.
Normans? Are you just a troll or are you really that silly? Normans were a ruling aristocracy,nothing more. Or do you believe,haha, that they slaughtered millions of people without leaving any physical trace? Normands descended from vikings and have specific Norse y-dna. Most Britons do not; they are in fact closer to people of Iberia and the coastal areas of France (not Normandy with its different history.)
Obviously you haven't seen too many documentaries. Watch any documentary about a nation made by that nation and you will understand. Example, "America: The Story of US". Made by PBS.
Really? I thought the first great civilisation of Greece was Mycenae--which is the middle bronze age, long after Stonehenge. If you are looking for great early civilisations--look to the near east, and Gobekli Tepe in Turkey!
I doesn't surprise me that you emphasize, in a very ethnocentric fashion, all the good the Greeks and Romans have brought to the world, yet carefully sidestep their numerous failures. I share a similar feeling, and I appreciate the good these cultures have brought as well, but I surely don't discount cultures that exist in the band or tribe system. They, too, have also contributed much to modern knowledge. Hit a library sometime. Broaden your view. It couldn't hurt.
He claim that the primitive Brits invented farming, or at least sheep herding, on their own, but gives no real evidence. So they came up with ditch-lined paths to drive sheep and that didn't happen in continental Europe. So what? It only means that they came up with some different methods. If he had some evidence of the dates of those ditches and found that they pre-dated continental/middle eastern farming he'd have something, but he never does that.
Exactly! He offers up domesticated dogs as proof of agriculture? LOL!!! Caches of hammer stones are "votives to appease the gods," and not a stack of spares so Bubba doesn't have to trek the 3 miles back to the cave entrance to replace his broken hammer stone? Caches of bones are also dedicated to appeasing the gods...not Bubba's lunch? Yeah, this guy pretty much ignores the scientific method and goes for the "I assume it's so, therefore it is."
Well, considering this is a BBC doc, it would be rather nationalistic. Even Docs made in the US about the US are nationalistic. Just the way the game is played. Now, native americans were not better, but they certainly were not simple minded savages that some want to portray them as. They built civilizations of the own and must be recognized as such.
ummm, OK, but why did they live at the tops of hills behind massive walls? It doesn't sound like a peaceable society to me. And they didn't leave any literature, even if they could compute stellar and solar alignments. So I'm not entirely convinced!
actually they called it Hibernia, and sometimes 'Scoti' ( like the people )...Tuatha De Danann was just the name of the people who followed the cult of Danu
Daniel Whelan no problem....I just wish that we would remember that the people of Britain have always been one people until fucking French and the Dutch threw their oars in....now they keep us at each others throats over what? The same dumb religious shit that caused the troubles in the first place ( when really they only use it to see which fat arse sits on the throne or the PM's chair )
Actually, I'm as far removed from the ancient Britains as possible. I have not British blood in my family. My point was that these kinds of documentaries, when made by the nations they are about will always be nationalistic. It's a fact you have to deal with.
Loved watching this. I was a student at the Flag Fen dig in 1993. Francis is such an exuberant, inspirational and funny guy. Francis and Maisie seemed like such a lovely couple. Will always have great memories.
Yes-love Francis and so glad to be able to watch his fantastic series again!!!💕🌈😇‼️🇺🇸🎵🎶
I was taught how to 'read' the landscape by my mother when, as a child, we helped her friend in the excavations of the Lunt Fort, just outside Coventry. This has stayed with me and has been augmented by 'reading' ancient and historic buildings. At 16 or so mins on here, they are doing just that - reading the landscape, and it is utterly facinating. My wife and I have instilled this interest into our son and, as a Scout and Cub leader for a decade ,I hope I managed to pass on some of my sense of awe and wonder for it. Francis and the BBC [at its best], thank you for this series.
This is just fantastic! I wish there were more parents like you guys. Very inspiring and all the best to you and your family!
Francis rocks! I love his perspective re Britain and the pre Roman culture.
Heartfelt and well done
It’s wonderful to see that the archeological finds, debunk the hypothesis that the inhabitants of these shores were savages. As a civilization we mastered our environment and made significant contributions throughout our history, long may this continue.
Britain has been invaded again .Good Luck.
I think he goes too though in his attitude the romans did nothing really for us and we'd have been better off without them.
They gave us baths, mosaics, underfloor heating, paved roads, concrete buildings, written language.....
They were not simply bloodthirsty conquerors, even Mary Beard argues they were so successful because they were so good at absorbing other people into their empire with all their different religions and traditions. Lots of outsiders wanted to be part of the empire and wanted to be a roman citizen.
@@lw3646 Well didn't people want to join as a sword was at their throats. You joined as a fighter or slave or you hightailed yourself away to the lands outside of their Empire. Reject all of those 3 options the remaining option was death. They were blood-thirsty conquerors who also had a developed system. But they arrived with the intention of goverment with a deloped system of governors. But there plans on how to take over were to set one Tribe as their Over-Lord Tribe who supported them (The Rex Romanum). Once setting one tribe up they used the tribe to help destroy the others or to absorb them in to their conquering Empire based on slavery. Oh they may have had Baths and some seemingly civilised culture. But that was for themselves and their elites or soldiers. So you can forget the idea that the civilised Romano cultur was for all. IE the stone quarry slaves, the tin quarry slaves and all the other subjugated non Romans.
But of course if you see the rape of Boudica's two daughters as civilised then I understand where you are coming from. Rape may have been your idea of civilising but it is not every ones. Those civilised Romans you imagined in the first century were burning Christians as Roman Candels for entertainment along with watching Christians or others fight lions in an enclosure where the intended victim could not escape. Cruzerfixion was another method of Roman Civilisation.
The parts of farming and animals is very interesting.
Thanks for uploading such an AMAZING video. I was born and raised in southern England, and find this video completely fascinating.
History is so intersting to study. Rome in 600BC was probably still mostly huts surrounded by swamps. They advanced very fast though so by 100BC there was no power really that could now challenge them expect the Persians in the East.
2:00 the romans had a great appreciation of Greek culture, especially Emperor Hadrian. They were also pretty fascinated by the Egyptians too.
Who did you mean by The Egyptians as as by the time the Romans arrived the Pharohs were Macedonian or Greek. The land was likely still refered to as Egypt but the Gups (Cops (Egyptians)) were long centuries under the Greeks or Macedonians. Cleopatra Queen of Egypt was a Macedonian and not an Egyptian (A Gup (Cop of Coptic).
Very interesting, nice to see different points of view.
Fascinating. I certainly wasn't taught any of this in school!
It should be shewn in all schools from infants to uni.
@@annpartoon5300 Not really. It should be restricted to British Schools whilst English History should be taught in English Schools and maybe irish in Irish Schools and Scottish in Scotland.
What has been taught in so called British schools is far far far from reality that it's really a traversty. Total neglect of other people's history resulted in English people who were never conquered or under Roman enslavement or rule being taught that they were amoung the conquered Britians on the Isles. If you had your way you would try to teach everyone the Druids were their priesthood. But clearly they were not.
I believe a balanced history appropriate to the person should be taught if history is taught. Not your post revisionist history. One factor included in the teachings maybe should be when the term Britan first came in use. As the truth is that no one really knows where the Henge builder occupants came from or who they were. They could have been from what is known now adays as the Russian Steppe or the Middle East or Africa. Maybe they were Neo-lithic Neanderthals or Cro-Magnians. Gauls or Bell Beakers, Bu we know at the tme of the Roman arrivals all the southern tribes were Belgaic in origin (From the Wash to the Seven).
So calling evryone and all through out time Britians is revisionist history as clearly The britians were those who during the times of King Vortigen those calling for help from The Angles to help them against the maurading Scots, Irish and Picts. So at that time there were some remanants of Brits who clearly did not consider the other Islelanders to be Brits. Other wise your history would be one of inter Britannic in-fighting. IE a civil war. But it was not like that.
Good upload- thanks!
10:06 my thinking too, many so-called specialist jump to hasty, misleading conclusions based on excavations, whereas foreign to the place artefacts mean only that there were trading contacts
Gives you alot to think about
I've always wondered what would be the result of ripping a DVD using a potato.
You could rip a potato with a DVD X-)LOL
+Hrh Fishn - Good one. I guarantee no one has ever told you that you're funny.
Welcome to RUclips 2011.
Complaining about the video quality , you people make me sick , this is free information , you have not paid to watch this important film , you have Been given it for free, no charge , i for one will be archiving this with a RUclips downloader program to save this ,
Documentary skips over a lot of stuff, suddenly we rush forward at the end to 60AD.
This is a superb series and Pryor's accompanying books are essential reading.
It's so typical of us indigenous Brits to undervalue our rich heritage and culture. That attitude has done so much damage to our architecture and cityscapes, to our demography and ultimately our national security.
Offerings in the mine or leftovers from meals?
We have been here a long while our stories are told family to family
Thankyou for posting this. I knew about Francis from Time Team, but the context he gives completes the idea of Brits being Brits. The producers on Time Team did fellow archaeologist Phil Harding mitochondrial DNA, that proved his to be as British as he could be. 100% !
Francis briefly shows the Seahenge, which he & his wife Maisie (can't remember her last name) transfered to the nearby Flag Fen museum, replanting it there.
Such a completed circle. My family are Celtic, noting Scottish descent via my great Grandparents & their daughter. I inadvertently found Scottish things attractive before I found out about my ancestors. I had regular dna done & 8% Macedonian was thrown in , 92% Celtic ...someone was trading pottery or copper somewhere in the past...lol
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I really enjoyed watching this - very thought provoking. I did wonder if the body of the 'peat man' in the British Museum could have been naked in order to humiliate him as part of his punishment - given the drawn out method of his murder rather than a sacrifcial practice.
Didn't the Picts used to fight naked though in blue war paint so maybe nudity wasn't an issue? I'd have wanted to wrap up though back then, I imagine them wearing lots of wool and fur in the winter.
stone age britain was for most part a forested landscape with a lot of big dangerous animals . wild boar ,wolves ,bears and aurochs ect. and when the first farmers started to setle down they needed to be safe especially at night . the most obvious solution was to build a wooden stockade around the seltement to keep the animals out which evolved into the so called hill forts, not to make statment in the landscape or to stop the next tribe attacking them. a lot of the so called processional walkways where probably no more than driveways for cattle or deer or domesticated wild boar.man was pretty insignificant at that time with a population that probably would not have filled a medium sized town today.
Awesome. Dr. Pryor tells a great history we all need to know.
Very interesting....even for a swede. Pity about the bad quality!
How about Sweden. Are there Neolithic sites or Stone Circles there?
excellent
I was also very suprised by the amount, or lack of, actual British history in the British Museum. There is so little I actually failed to spot it amoungst all the other artifacts when I visited first time around. :(
Indicative of Roman, Anglo-Saxon, Norman and other invaders' oppression and arrogance
There's a fair bit of the Saxons there, I know they come later but it's still British History.
I think it's still fair to say though that it's still a period we know the least about and some of the remains we do have are difficult to teach because they are so open to interpretation. If you ever get a chance to go to Avebury though it's worth a visit.
The title The British Museum is a bit misleading because its always been about the ancient history of the whole world.
Awesome video! I truely enjoyed it!! Now, I found out that the celts in western europe and in the brittish isles were one of the 12 tribes of Israel.
Check the DNA record.
1:29 “what have the Romans ever done for us” *raises hand* “The aqueduct”. Makes it even better that it’s a Brit saying it seriously.
the concept of "civilization" or "civilized" varies by culture and by time.
1:28 "What did the Romans ever do for us?!?"
The aquaduct?
The English weren't in Britain then. The ancient Welsh Britons were.
Roman's dont do, they take.
@@mizofan The English people are partly descended from the ancient Britons. The term "Anglo-Saxon" refers to a time period, and the language which was spoken in that time period, which took hundreds of words from ancient British.
@@daragildea7434 The term "Anglo-Saxon" refers to the Angles and Saxons who brought their own language with them in post Romano Britain. The Brits, Wilsch, Scots, Picts and Irish were already on the Isles when the Angles, Jutes and Saxons arrived. So they were not partly desended from the ancient Britians.
Ive lived in the U.S all my 43 years, and I cant imagine what it would be like living on a body of land that has had humans living there for 40+ thousand years. Its cool enough that there are the occasional find from Clovis culture peoples here but those early American cultures had relatively small population and goes back only 11000 years.
Great information from a man of letters giving an opinion which he is prepared to have examined by his peers.He has done so much work that no doubt many ideas he has had have ended in the bin or fire and he has rethaught his ideas again.Unlike the utubers who believe 2 episodes of alien wierd theory make them researchers.
Brexit should not be about history but about now.Please let us have the truth about history and leave national pride out of it.I am British ,living in France,I owe much to both nations but would never say either was better than the other or anyother.
Find faults in yourself,your ideas,your nation .Then look for the solution,blame no one and be honest.Strong people have the confidence to admit their faults and move to correct them.The weak never admit their weakness,crush the truth and dominate through lies and fear,this they then call truth.
Think of anyone who ever bullied you:Parents,siblings,girlfriends,boyfriends,white folk,black folk,the facists,the communists,all the other bloodyists,including all the religions.
Now ,question everything you ever learnt and start without bias to pose deeper questions:Do you really hate?Are you more normal than those around you?Do you truely understand the world/nature in your neighbourhood?Am I a good person?What is the spelling of a confusing mix of green and blue called and how do you pronounce that(and does it fucking matter) and could you write an essay to definitively proove your arguement in less than 2 pages of A4 paper and send it to :Oxford,Harvard,Cambridge,Yale and Little Bottom on the Brook Universities.
Thank you if you read this far,your doctor is probably busy.
In early America when you built a log canoe, you would sink it in the river during the winter to prevent cracking and splitting.
As they saw at the 46.00 minute mark when they raised the canoe it was still fresh and light colored.
Then it aged under their care.
See this video of American early settlers.
ruclips.net/video/vVQHoWhYSLE/видео.html
What have the Romans ever done for us.
+tonycavanagh1929 Bloody Romans!
LOL true
+tonycavanagh1929 Romanes eunt domus!
The Aqueduct, Sanitation, roads, etc lol
improved public health
Well, civilized is a subjective term. He's not trying to say that their civilization is on the same scale as the Romans. He is saying that they do have a functioning civilization, not just a collection of isolated barbarian tribes.
Most interesting ! It would be perfect if only RP didn't leave out the fact that farming, pottery, weaponry, housing, etc... all 'appeared' globally at the same time ! So there must have been exchanges, imports... and exports...
+Jesse CRAIGNOU " _the fact that farming, pottery, weaponry, housing, etc... all 'appeared' globally at the same time !_ " unfortunately for your comment that little fact you invented isn't true.
I believe the subject was touched apon during the segment about bronze making.
The Movie Carry on Cleo is an accurate description of how Ancient Britons lived
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Also the Celt were civilised in their attitudes-the old,infirm and young were respected and taken care of whereas in Rome unwanted babies were left on the rubbish tips and the old and infirm were trampled or starved to death...
17:00 You've got potentially good grazing, you've got wood xD
ide love to see how far guy would get with phil, in a clash of versions
Isnt it funny then how Britain then marched through everyone else's land calling it uncivilized
What if the tree trunk was turned upside down for scientific reasons. Maybe they recognized the similarity of roots and branches and turned it upside down to see if the branches would begin to function as roots and if the trunk would then sprout branches.
Wow. I like it. When I saw the image, I remembered something I'd seen recently in a garden, where somebody had put semi-circular benches around an upturned base of a tree, for decoration. I'm sure religion and belief has been important for a long time, but curiosity, whimsy, and fun are also important parts of being a human. I like your idea.
That's nonsense. Nobody would be that stupid. And thinking that ancient people were that stupid, is itself stupidity.
I am just amazed that historians are still stating things as fact rather than a belief.
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they came to nick our tin
@Professor Pilkington All my ancestors were raiders even pirates. This, for thousands of years.
@@emsnewssupkis6453 Are all your ancestors amoung the slain? As for hundreds of years Pirates were rooted out and slain or later Pirates were Hung from the Yardarms or Tyburn. Even today across most of Europe theives, rapists and hostage takers are imprisoned or punished. You may also notice that the tendancy is no one complains when villiens, theives hostage takers and pirates are imprisoned.
@@MikeGreenwood51 Pettit went to the English colonies in Mass. and NY and retired. Remember: this was when England was at war with other powers in Europe in the 1600s.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Francis. This nonsense about our history beginning with the Romans HAS to end.
There is mountains of detailed history available telling how the 'Siriyans' migrated here in 1600 BC. Which is why we have a county called Surrey. Boats have been found in the Humber estuary which were labelled as 'Saxon.' Until -- years after someone had the good idea of carbon dating the wood of a boat and found to the archeological fraternity's great embarrassment, that the boats were made in 1600 BC -- which is when this mass migration arrived here. King Albine (I think??) is well recorded and he and his people originate from the ten tribes of Israel who were taken from their territory by Nebuchadnezzar. They managed to escape when one of his sons became king and a feud ensured -- one brother killed another and in the chaos the Tribes escaped and eventually reached what is now Constantinople and from there they all -- a large part of -- the Ten Tribes took ship to the 'Great Green Island' i.e. HERE.
There was another migration in 500 BC from Lemnos by the Trojans -- another part of the Ten Tribes who left Troy after a nine year war (siege) by the Egyptians (also well recorded but conventional dating of ancient Egypt is a confused mess that Egyptologists refuse to admit) Hence the Pharaoh and the Trojan war / siege cannot be found).
But it is very well recorded in the history of the Kyhmru / Cymru i.e. the 'Welsh,' that King Brutus and his people sailed from Lemnos in 500 BC (a stone tablet in coelbren -- the ancient straight line character alphabet was found on Lemnos recording the migration and specifically mentioning King Brutus) and were accepted into this land because they were part of the same people who arrived in 1600 BC i.e. the Ten Tribes.
ALL this history is minutely documented, but the problem has been -- and is -- that Historians treated Troy as a myth (from Homer's Iliad) hence any history of these islands was myth ONLY; so all references to the Kyhrmu / later Kyhmru / Cymru was suppressed. Indeed so has all subsequent 'Welsh' / Cymru history. Including King Arthur's ONE and TWO.
Which was known and taught in Welsh schools till 1924 when all the history books were changed to ENGLISH history hence 'Arthurs' I and II have become myth. So; lets hear more Francis you are beginning to straighten the record of ALL our ancient history of these islands.
Great comment, thank you!
Namaste my friends..
I’ve tried google earth to find this Sea henge...?. There is absolutely nothing coming up... nothing found ...😩😩😩 could anyone help me out here , where snouts is it...? Many blessing to you all...
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Try again. I just ran a search for 'sea henge' using the Start Page search engine, and got lots of links.
The opening statement rom 1.32 reminds me of the Monty Python sketch in the Life of Brian... Apart from Roads,Aqueducts,Law and order what have the Romans ever done for us? They should do a rewrite of that with this guy refuting it.Just saw Tony's statement under this so I am not alone....
Other then slavery and taken land off of peoples nothing much more. Dam Romans dam Germanic/Normanic tribes keeping invading and taking people as slaves and carp given real Briton a bad name the real Celtic people druids.
@Jay Gressman
i know lol ! it was a troll
@@allmightlionthunder5515 Read the 'Groans of The Britons and the letter sent to The Romans asking them to come-back as the britians were dead meat for the fishes or micro flaura that removed the putreyfying corpses. Britians did not deal with the Normans at all except Geffory of Monmoth tried to get on their side against the English but was thaughted when the Normans broke camp and left. So those three Germanic tribes of Angles (English) Saxons and Jutes were in fact the saviours of the Britians. They were requested to come as the Romans refused to save the remaining Britians. The request was for mercenaries to save the Britians from the Scots, Picts and Irish who were driving down and killing the pro Roman Brits under the false idology that King Votigen was Rex Romanum of King of the Britans. But of the five tribes who resided in what became known as Wales only Vortigen was known as pro Roman and pro the enslavement of the other tribes. The 'Groans of The Britons' clearly states the case at the time that the other tribes (Scots, Irish & Picts slughtered the Brits on land driving those Brits to the seas and if they did not die on the land then they died in the sea. All that happened before the establishment of the Kingdom of Wessex. So again it was the West Saxons (Germanic tribes or Germanic as seen by many Brits who see everyone east as Germanic) that fought their cosines The Danes and eventually overthrew them. They also fought the Normans and Vikings. The English fought the Scots almost immediatly they arrived in Kent and drove them north along with driving the Irish away also. So if some Brits survived it was largely thanks to those so called Germanic tribes you so love to hate.
Being as how the claimants of Kingship (Rex Romanum Vortigen) so loved his status as a pro Roman (Arthurian Legend, being that Arthur was a Romano British Desendant) and mostly hated as you do when the arriving requested mercenaries threw the remaining Romans from the Villa windows as happened in Gaul after Roman withdrawal. Then maybe such annoys you and you find it offensive but it was an action saving the Britons. Those Britons stayed west (Wales) and did not venture out to fight their so called enemies whome they had called the Germanc tribes to fight. Not coming out left the entire south Belgaic Tribal lands unprotected and consequently they amalgamated and accepted the English, Saxons and Jutes as the new boys on the block. Did you every wonder how those few Mercenaries were able to fight their way all the way west wards with out great opposition. Well that was how. They were accepted as liberators and not as enemies. Remember your Pro Ramano pro Arthurians would have kept the Guals under Roman enslavement also along with the other inhabitants of the Lands which eventually became England. Had the Brits fought their own battles then things may have been different. But the likly difference would have been dead or mostly dead Brits.
I used to be a sceptic, but I think Professor Francis is on to something. ...
+Celto Loco thanks for the reply! I am truly fascinated by our prehistory, I'd like to know who were the first people's to settle the British Isles and their history. ....they lived for many millennium and we only know them from Roman times on, but so little of who they were and their many years of lore and hidden history...
The sarsen stone phase was built in 2500 BC. The monument was completed to its current arrangement in 2200 BC; the main large phase was already complete; when we say 'completed' we are talking about final rearrangements of the bluestones into what we see today. The sarsen structure took between 40-100 years to build. What do you expect when the population was tiny? They didn't have masses of SLAVES, like some other cultures nor kings to order the workforce. It was community.
"The monument was completed to its current arrangement in 2200 BC. Thought it was 1953?
There is one thing the 'great' ancient cultures share in common: they're dead cultures. For all their wisdom, all their creativity and ingenuity, they lacked one thing, and that is how to build a civilization that could last. The things you refer to: philosophy, poetry, inventions were present in ancient primeval cultures as well. The celts had been living --successfully-- as they always had for nearly 4000 years, literally extended from prehistory.
Interesting
Farmers migrated from Central Europe? Why would they do that? They must not have been very good farmers if they felt the need to migrate thousands of miles to a colder climate where cultivation would be more difficult!?
The cultures in this video are long pre-celtic. I think knowing the metonic cycle of the moon before 3000 BC as well as other lunar/solar events slightly later shows some knowledge. Trade was going on with the Baltic, Iberia and even as far away as Mycenae (not incoming items but OUT-going.)
pre celtic
Please, improve the upload technique. This is very important information that is not easy accessible to the public. Thank you
You mean video quality?
MANY CULTURES CLAIM BRITON WAS NOTHING BUT CAVEMEN? That they were undisciplined, unruly and without a culture of their own? It's not true. Briton was rich in pre-history. Prior to the Roman occupation there was little in the way of a written language, (It wasn't needed by so small a nation). Civilization to some includes an alphabet and a numeral system.( The Brits used symbols and did have a numbers system) Also a civilized people would have something of value to trade, something that another nation would want. Briton had tin and coal. Also it's understood by some that clothing was manufactured here from animal hides that resembled modern day leather. Tatted and properly cleaned, safe from odor or bacteria, and rugged enough for warriors, leather was in demand. The Romans wanted the tin to add to their armor. It produced rigidness, shine, and hardened the metal to help protect them in battle. Britons beautiful fair skinned women were also desired by kings, sultans, and emperors. Especially the red and blond haired women of the far north. Outsiders believed Briton had nothing...because few stone structures remain. In truth most people built their structures with whatever was around them in quantity. in this case is was wood. England was rich in it. The only problem was being burned out by an enemy. Britons were a war like people but there's no proof that they made war on each other. Clans consisted of as little as 30 members and up to a few thousand. Clans distrusted each other but didn't murder or pillage each other without cause. Local farmers traded freely and without incident. Outsiders to the island would have been fought to the death and most neighboring countries avoided Briton as well as Ireland. It wasn't until Christianity took hold that they became weakened. 500-700 years later the Vikings came and wrecked havoc. The Normans and then the Anglo-Saxons did the same.
Follow The Sun Yes and sometime on the British repeated their negative experience by invading Australia (and other countries) and reported horrid diminishing lies about the indigenous people who had been living there for *60,000 years and completely decimated their culture. Sad 🙁
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So the Britains were people before the Celts. And evidence of similar people existing on the mainland but being replaced or intricateing into the Celtic way of life. Shall we give these people a name? Or does British work, or Bretons?
Stonehenge dates from 3000 BC, 5000 years ago...long before Mycenae or Crete
Counting prehistory, they carried a culture nearly 20,000 years old borne of the ice age, and while they lacked the 'sophistication' of the greek, egyptians and romans, they did have a culture that knew how to live. Egyptians, greeks and romans consumed in each other, and ultimately fell into their own historical oblivion. The civilization you praise is bound by natural laws found in ecology, and these ancient civilizations trumped those rules left and right, and rightly suffered for it.
why does it seem a lot of british experts they use on these shows have speech impediments? they are brilliant people but, goodness, did the people not receive proper speech therapy if needed?on a different note...I love this dude.
who's got a thilly voice? X-)
Education
Far more than I like to admit, actually. And no documentary is truly unbiased, they are either for or against the subject matter. Especially when it comes to prehistory. And these are no different. However, I do agree with your last point. Too many ignore the fact that for centuries after the ice age, Britain was still connected to the mainland via and land bridge
Actually, not so much as you might think. Yes, multiple invasians but the original genepool was so small and expanded by genetic drift, that there is a similar prehistoric ancestry in most Britons, especially in maternal lines. This of course is true in other countries as well. And Britain's prehistoric past is NOT much connected with northern Europe but to the western coasts-Iberia and northern France.
A bit keen to skip over the druids and their practice of the cult of the human head....
What about the intricate, and international bronze trade organizations they've created? To have international trade, between numerous tribes almost by definition means that they weren't "isolated barbarians".
Look, obviously they weren't the Roman empire, no ones saying that. That doesn't mean they were barbarians.
Do you know how hard it was to put together those "couple rocks" of Stonehenge? Or the "couple rocks" of Skara Brae?
The ancient Britons were extremely civilised. They lived through an allodial system, whereby there was no overlordship over the people. All the people shared the land and thus the produce. A true community... The Romans wiped out the ancient history of the Britons ...and subsequently by the Saxons... Norman ... Germans
Caesar was NEVER defeated by the Britains. He defeated them in every battle and took from them what he wanted. The problem for Caesar is that his spies mistook the brass and bronze the Britains wore for gold.
Caesar was expecting to leave Brittain with hundreds of thousands of gold arm bands and rings. What he got was bras and bronze arm bands and rings.
kraigthorne, put the glue down sunshine.
To Kraigthorne
Juliohim Caesarhim left Britian on both occasions 54 & 55 BCE. Never to return. He wrote books about his attempts. You can read his views.
I have no doubt Pryor is a good archaeologist and is highly knowledgeable in his field , but he and most of his generation got it so wrong pushing for population continuity throughout British history (the 'pots aren't people' argument) . Thanks to DNA we now know they were wrong about Neolithic farmers , wrong about Bell Beakers , wrong about Anglo-Saxons . Big cultural and language changes happened due to huge numbers of arrivals from the continent . Have Pryor , and others , accepted they were wrong yet ?
Where did you find "primitive sheep"? That must've been a huge leap forward in cloning!
Thank you...
"my primitive sheep..."
What?
There are 22 breeds of sheep in the British Isles that have not been cross bred or "improved" through modern animal husbandry. Their genes can be traced back thousands of years. So yes, primitive, pre-Roman type sheep can still be found.
He's being a bit disingenuous saying the romans didn't give us roads. True we probably had dirt paths but proper paved roads were surely introduced by the romans. They created the first towns in Britain, proper masonry, new imported foods, aqueducts.....
love that version francis, were our own people, so i cant understand why you dont want to leave the EU isnt that just another invasion, they even want control of our army ?
Gravy Train = Pryor
No it is not another invasion. There were never any EU military troops on our islands.
That being said, the bloody Normans were French, as were the Plantagenets, and the Hanoverians were German. We're not some kind of separate race.
maxdecphoenix where does that hatred of yours come from? And who loved you so little that you hate so much. As long as people have feet and males have penises - we will ALL keep moving around this planet and creating babies with each other. We are all each other. We need to find way to be at peace with each other for the safety and well being of all of us. .
This show would be so much more interesting in the form of a straight-forward history rather than a man's battle against the ghosts of the cartoons he was taught in school decades ago. So much anger in this documentary about things that happened thousands of years ago.
Some of us get highly irritated about having been lied to. And if what's being taught in schools now is untrue, it's not happening thousands of years ago.
We are the descendants of the ancient circle-makers, who built Stone-henge...
Possibly 5,000 years ago or possibly 70,000 years ago. No one knows because you can't carbon-date rocks, and the Romans stole/destroyed or vandalized most of our ancient history.
buwa boudis ac swos
Haxxor Soniq You can carbon date the material at the bottom of the holes the stones are stood in and the bottom of ditches around them. Its reckoned to be built around 3000BCE.
Paul Murray I get what you're saying, but carbon dating dead bugs under the stones is hardly conclusive evidence.
You may well be right, but at present there is simply no way to know for sure. Even the stars move around the sky in millennia long cycles, so astronomical dating is just as flawed.
All I'll say is this - it's very clear that the Romans have spent 2,000 years destroying, damaging and deceiving us about basically EVERYTHING about our true British history.
(same as the Jews and every other conquered race).
So any information coming from the BBC or British museum should be considered as Roman propaganda.
Why oh why didn't the Druids keep a secure written history..... Doh.
Haxxor Soniq Ok I'll just add this little fact....just after the Ice began melting there was NO continental gap between Brittan and main land Europe. This fact presumes that agriculture found its way to the island by foot. scientists concluded that their DNA most closely resembles that of
the earliest hunter-gatherers to have arrived when Britain became
habitable again after the Ice Age.
Surprisingly, the study showed no genetic basis for a single “Celtic” group, with people living in Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and Cornwall being among the most different form each other genetically. “There were very large numbers of people - hundreds of thousands - in
those parts of Britain, so to have a substantial impact on genetics
there would have to be very large numbers of them,” said Robinson. “The
fact that we don’t see that reflects the numbers rather than the
relative allure or lack thereof of Scandinavian men to British women.” one of my sources: www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry
+Haxxor Soniq Rocks....You cannot carbon date anything,,That is circular reasoning..
Paul Murray
Your right, but not just 'carbon dating'...that's just the ole fashion term and method thrown around in the movies...RELATIVE DATING IN ARCHEOLOGY
The question, How old is it?, is basic to the science of archaeology. Dating methods, such as radiocarbon dating, dendro-chronology
or tree-ring dating, and potassium
-argon dating, that may furnish an absolute
date for an archaeological site, are a contribu
tion of the physical and the natural sciences. But absolute dating methods are not always useful; the particular circumstances to which they apply do not exist at every site. In such cases, archaeologists may employ relative
dating techniques. Relative dating places assemblages of artifacts in time, in relation
to [artifact] types similar in form and function.
Stratigraphy can be described as a "layer cake" type arrangement of deposits called
strata with the older layer beneath the latest. This technique helps the archaeologist arrange the site in a vertical temporal
sequence, which may then be compared
to sites of similar age or type.
The science of dating is pretty acurate..and is cross science techniques...
www.ehow.com/info_8367294_anthropology-dating-techniques.html
Don't expect from Haxxor Soniq anything but an argument because that's all he is here for.
just understand that when a paper is published it undergoes plenty of scrutiny from many and you won't find 'Haxxor Soniq' publishing anything. His whole assumption is "if I don't like it they are lying"...The people that spend all that time and effort at a dig are pretty honest and want accuracy... unless, they are like Haxxxxxor Song who only wants his opinion.
A true scientist, if new evidence emerges, wants it known and operates with the understanding that techniques are discovered all the time that are more accurate.
The original post-ice agers from Scandinavia hated the new comer Celts, and they all hated the new wave of Gauls, and all of them hated the Romans, and all of them hated the Angles, Jutes, and Saxons, and all of them hated the Danes and Norse, and all of them hated the Normans.
Prove it!
truly humane people are extremly rare even in so called civilized societys there is always cruelty although subtile, forcing children to accept phony love as real
They didn’t give they came to take .
Some of us do. You're assumption that we all do is poorly thought out, and a broad and sweeping generalization, definitely a cornerstone of the cultures you espouse. The Helstatt and La Tene cultures predated Greek and Roman 'ingenuity' by about a few thousand years, and the term 'uncivilized' is surely a opinion best left to the eye of the beholder. Roman and Greek culture is really a hybrid of Babylonian culture, and it's largely unsustainable.
Highly believable Francis, though your views are questionable on how other's saw the Britons especially the Romans who DID bring to Britain a European regimented civilization and not leaving it as a rural antiquated back water.
The Romans were genocidal, ethnic cleansing, fascists.
4 miles of tunnels and 30 miles expected undiscovered. Can you imagine the amount of work that shit took! Most used slaves it was so grueling of a labour. They said some 6 year old children did some of it. Are you sure they weren't dwarves.
Britain over 10,000 years old when the Romans invaded??? That statement has me wondering if Francis Pryor is an Evolutionist?
There's only a debate in your head. For others who know what they are talking about it's clear. My comment stands.
To be fair no one ever claimed the Romans brought farming, cow paths and dogs to Britannia. What they brought was an organized sophisticated culture, government and bureaucracy. They brought a world view and built a nation state Britain which was conveniently left to Brits when they vacated the place.... They wrote down the laws. That's important. They built a national road system as a military tactic and for pillaging the occupied place. But it united the country.... The Pre-Romans had zero architecture compared to the Romans. No city remotely resembling Rome.The natives were probably as close to being cavemen as they were to being Roman. Lol!
Whst did the british ever do for IndiaOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Killed millions of them
or middle east or africa or china or australia? one they did for sure: EXPLOITED drained all resources they could then made unnecessary borders to keep hate flames always alive. and you know what?! they succeeded in it
leaving hammerstones behind in a mine has nothing to do with rituals. abandoning a boat in the mud doesnt mean its special mud or a special boat. people make this shit up because they have no other ideas, which shows how reaching & full of bs the so called scholars of today are.
What specifically is he wrong about or misrepresenting?
Furthermore, I see a great deal of people, so fed up with the monotony and assembly-line aspects of Greek and Roman civilization that have been carried down into present civilization that many are eager to get back to the earth, eager to govern themselves, eager to trust their own resourcefulness, and eager to be a creature participating in the whole life biome of this planet that they've all but lost faith in things you praise. I'm sure it's with good reason, too.
Visually stunning eh? Television in the 50's had better resolution than this.
Normans? Are you just a troll or are you really that silly? Normans were a ruling aristocracy,nothing more. Or do you believe,haha, that they slaughtered millions of people without leaving any physical trace? Normands descended from vikings and have specific Norse y-dna. Most Britons do not; they are in fact closer to people of Iberia and the coastal areas of France (not Normandy with its different history.)
The heavens and earth were made 6,000 years ago…
Sure....😏
Obviously you haven't seen too many documentaries. Watch any documentary about a nation made by that nation and you will understand. Example, "America: The Story of US". Made by PBS.
Really? I thought the first great civilisation of Greece was Mycenae--which is the middle bronze age, long after Stonehenge. If you are looking for great early civilisations--look to the near east, and Gobekli Tepe in Turkey!
yawn
I doesn't surprise me that you emphasize, in a very ethnocentric fashion, all the good the Greeks and Romans have brought to the world, yet carefully sidestep their numerous failures. I share a similar feeling, and I appreciate the good these cultures have brought as well, but I surely don't discount cultures that exist in the band or tribe system. They, too, have also contributed much to modern knowledge. Hit a library sometime. Broaden your view. It couldn't hurt.
He claim that the primitive Brits invented farming, or at least sheep herding, on their own, but gives no real evidence. So they came up with ditch-lined paths to drive sheep and that didn't happen in continental Europe. So what? It only means that they came up with some different methods. If he had some evidence of the dates of those ditches and found that they pre-dated continental/middle eastern farming he'd have something, but he never does that.
Exactly! He offers up domesticated dogs as proof of agriculture? LOL!!! Caches of hammer stones are "votives to appease the gods," and not a stack of spares so Bubba doesn't have to trek the 3 miles back to the cave entrance to replace his broken hammer stone? Caches of bones are also dedicated to appeasing the gods...not Bubba's lunch?
Yeah, this guy pretty much ignores the scientific method and goes for the "I assume it's so, therefore it is."
Well, considering this is a BBC doc, it would be rather nationalistic. Even Docs made in the US about the US are nationalistic. Just the way the game is played.
Now, native americans were not better, but they certainly were not simple minded savages that some want to portray them as. They built civilizations of the own and must be recognized as such.
ummm, OK, but why did they live at the tops of hills behind massive walls? It doesn't sound like a peaceable society to me. And they didn't leave any literature, even if they could compute stellar and solar alignments. So I'm not entirely convinced!
what do you mean England Ireland were on the edge of the known world . the Greeks called Ireland the island of the ancient. look up tuata de danann
actually they called it Hibernia, and sometimes 'Scoti' ( like the people )...Tuatha De Danann was just the name of the people who followed the cult of Danu
my mistake. thanks mate.
Daniel Whelan no problem....I just wish that we would remember that the people of Britain have always been one people until fucking French and the Dutch threw their oars in....now they keep us at each others throats over what? The same dumb religious shit that caused the troubles in the first place ( when really they only use it to see which fat arse sits on the throne or the PM's chair )
in USA we called them border collies.
unless it was the romans who cut it down and turned it over
Actually, I'm as far removed from the ancient Britains as possible. I have not British blood in my family.
My point was that these kinds of documentaries, when made by the nations they are about will always be nationalistic. It's a fact you have to deal with.
It's BRITONS, not "Britains", you idiot.
@@daragildea7434 either way, that is the Roman name, do you know what it was called before that?
RagingBlast2Fan is a very angry person. About what he is angry is very clear, but why, is unclear.