Is Labour's tougher approach to relations with Israel the right one? | LBC debate
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Israel has criticised Britain for dropping its challenge to an international arrest warrant issued for Benjamin Netanyahu.
A spokesperson for the Israeli government said that Labour had made a "fundamentally wrong decision" in deciding not to pursue the challenge at the International Criminal Court.
ICC prosecutor Karim Khan in May requested arrest warrants for Israeli prime minister Mr Netanyahu and defence minister Yoav Gallant over the war in Gaza.
Rishi Sunak's government had told the ICC it intended to submit arguments questioning whether the ICC had the right to order the arrest of Israeli nationals.
The Hague-based war crimes court gave the UK until Friday to decide whether it would do so.
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Netanyahu uses an obvious false dichotomy: either you support us or you support Hamas.
No Ben. Saying that killing ordinary Palestinian citizens and stealing their land is wrong is not "supporting Hamas."
@@RustyWalker Amen!
amen
Brits lost the sight of biblical wisdom!
I am old enough to remember Tories supporting apartheid South Africa and labelling Mandela a terrorist.
I lived in Southern Africa when Mandela and his wife were putting rubber necklaces around peoples necks…..! Their actions were terrorists based.
S. African APARTHEID ended in 1994, yet The U.S. kept Nelson Mandela on its Terrorist watch list until 2008.
I'm old enough to remember that
So messed up. We are destined to repeat our past sadly never learn
There was a serial killer who described his victims as terriosts
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
@basharathussain7755 white supremacy was allowed to grow without justice as people don't read their quaran
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
It’s extraordinary that simply not attacking the ICC is enough to attract criticism for being overly tough on Israel/antisemitic
The lobby at work on behalf of a foreign state.
That Netanyahu speech was a masterclass on BS I'm afraid
Agree.
This 🙌🏽
Bull and lies
Yes, genocider & war criminals excel at BS.
It was not a masterclass in oratory. They were all paid stooges in the congress. He just raised his voice at the end of each sentence as a queue for them to clap. And spewed lies the whole way through.
You just summed it all up in a few words 🫡
He came to Congress and had the unmitigated gall to criticize US citizens for exercising their constitutional rights to protest. He lied, lied, lied... Doesn't take much "oratory" to make your trained pets applaud. 😅
@@carmelsileo6520
Keep up with your imagination…
Except one lady member who had guts to remind him, what he is.
Crimnal
I am pleading for the UK to stand up to Israel since my country, the US, is too cowardly and paid off to do so. Please stand your ground for the innocent.
The US has become a joke
AIPAC bought all these people in the US. How sickening that Netanyahu can come to the US and speak to Americans, accusing them of supporting terrorism. It's disgusting!
Where’s your stand against Hamas?
Fail @@melbparty7860
@@melbparty7860from your question, it sounds like you’re incapable of having nuanced points of view. It is possible, at least for human beings, to say that Hamas should be brought to justice AND that the Israeli government should ALSO brought to justice. Or is that too difficult for you to do?
What a great comment by Emily. Why is Israel always portrayed as the innocent victim...as though October 7 came out of nowhere and wasn't the product of 76 years of Israeli persecution and disposession?
For all those who obviously need a history lesson but are unable to read a book. The present iteration of the problem in the area known as Palestine began with the publication of Theodore Herzle's treatise on zionism in the late 1800s. This was the start of the occupation of Palestinian Arab lands by jewish settlers.
People love to ignore the truth out of guilt.
Are you saying that what hamas did on October 7th was justified?
Twooo attemptoss at saying tera risotto..freedom fritas..same thing..from diffo perspectivo
Ha got it on lol RUclips free speech deniers.
Hooray, we're not going to try and frustrate international law. About time.
@@DW-indeed not frustrating international law when it's to do with israel.says it all really.
For this, Starmer is 100% in the right. Netanyahu needs to pay for his crimes, and so does Israel.
"So does Israel"
INDEED! SO DOES ISRAHELL CAUSE THE WHOLE COUNTRY SUPPORT NETANYAHU'S BESTIALITIES ACCORDING TO MANY POLLS
And what about Hamas?
@@melbparty7860hypocrites everywhere 😂
@@melbparty7860oh do sit down and be quiet!
@@lynnevenables7193 so only your opinion counts then?
There’s nothing tough about letting justice take its course without interference
"A brilliant piece of oratory" ! ? It was cliche riddled propaganda.
And a master class in lying!!! He says Israel has not killed any civilians!! We all know that’s a lie!
Yes..Get tougher with Israel..💯💯💯👍👍💪💪💪
The mean with a terror state of isreal
Immoral, illegal rogue state
The answer is simple and obvious, the republicans and some of the democrats applauded to Netanyahu is because they get campaign money from the Israeli lobby, so simple, as much as they support Israel as much funds they get. Just disgusting, they should ban lobbyists and donors in political campaigns.
@darrenbrians5930 Since Oct.7th, more than 34,535 Palestinian civilians have been killed. Did Hamas do that?
*_Gaza’s population is about 2 million of which 3/4 are women and children. Israeli’s population 10 million America’s investment billions upon BILLIONS and more billions._*
*_Does it cost American taxpayers millions of dollars per Palestinian life?_*
AMERICAN AID TO ISRAEL:
$3.8 Billion in Aid each year
$14.1 billion emergency aid + $26 billion est.
$38 billion in military aid (allocated within 10 years)
$ 8 billion yearly guaranteed loan
$500 Million Israel’s drone missile defense system
$72 Million US-Israel counter-drone and anti- tunneling cooperation
$6 million for US-Israel cybersecurity cooperation grant program
$2 million US - Israel homeland security cooperation
$3 million healthcare cooperation
$6 million water and energy
$2 million toward international development cooperation
$8 promoting regional peace efforts
Well done labour from someone who will never vote Labour. Let the courts deal with this mess
By the looks of this comment, you have never voted Labour.
the court will decide that it is not in the public image
If their policies begin to align why not vote for them?
You know nothing about courts they solve very little normally what they do is make a bad situation worse
As a law abiding country we should be driven by the opinions of the courts.
Its not Starmer saying he is a criminal, along with Isreal as a whole.
Netanyahu is in fact facing prosecution for fraud at home. He is a criminal, now he’s also a war criminal
Which law abiding country do you live in.
"Tougher" approach? Is this a serious question? There is a thing called International Law. And Israel will be made to bend to it eventually. You can bank on it.
Israel was ignored international law for more than 60 years. Why would they change anytime soon ?
I hope so!!
@@brianferguson7840 Because the world isn’t the same as it was 60 years ago. No tolerance for impunity anymore. Our parents and grandparents might have remained silent however we will not!!!
@@halfpakichick
"WE" don't have any say.
It is sad but that is why our political leaders are only forced to bend with public opinion when it is in their interests (usually financial) who ? is even protesting in UK for South Sudan,Mali 🇲🇱 Timor🇹🇱 C.A.R., Tibet, or recently Ukraine 🇺🇦 🤔
@@brianferguson7840 Collectively ‘we’ do. There is a shift in the power dynamics. The general public has woken up. People are seeing things for what they are and are collectively making changes. Gradual but effective changes. Years of unfair impunity IS OVER!!!
That was objectively far from a master class performance. It was only an "exceptional" speech to those who were already intoxicated by his lies.
Netanyahu should be arrested and charged with war crimes! Send him to Guantanamo Bay
War criminals should be prosecuted
In 2018 Israeli soldiers shot over 6,000 Palestinians. In many cases they were shot with illegal expanding ammunition. So, did the present iteration of this problem begin on 7th October 2023 (1,200 casualties) or March/Dec 2018 (6,000 casualties) Discus ??
Started way before that how about the Palestinian occupation in 1050 or somewhere around that
@@BJOHNSON1110lol. Your funny
@@BJOHNSON1110 One word for you, Canaan.
@@BJOHNSON1110For all those who obviously need a history lesson but are unable to read a book. The present iteration of the problem in the area known as Palestine began with the publication of Theodore Herzle's treatise on zionism in the late 1800s. This was the start of the occupation of Palestinian Arab lands by jewish settlers.
@@brianferguson7840 I live in Canada. I know we stole this land too. The Americans did the same thing. Australia?
The problem we face now is everything is caught on film. Nobody cares about the history. We just want the slaughter to stop.
Disgusted with anyone who stands with this monster.
And those that stand with Hamas?
Not every Palestinian is a member of hamas or did you forget that so easily@@melbparty7860
Monsters*
@@melbparty7860
Hamas is idf, everyone knows
@@ShiekYoBoooty which planet are you from?
There was a standing ovation from congress because their employers (AIPAC) were keeping an eye… its not complicated
I love it when people like you make a statement then say it is not complicated ,it show you have no idea what you are talking about lol
@@rolandhawken6628You clearly have no clue how congress works? Are you even aware of the influence AIPAC has?
last time i checked little kids wernt classed as evil.
THEY ARE IF.....You are a Jew, and they are Palestinians
To Israeli's, those little kids are 'evil'. Remember Yoav Gallant's remarks just after Oct 7th about there being 'no innocents in Gaza'. Dispicable people.
@@brianferguson7840rubbish and you know it
@@Tamarlane389 Why is there so many videos of IDF killing unarmed children for fun then?
He could have stood on that stage, crapping out of his pants, without a single word, and still got a standing ovation.
It wasn't his oratory.
Starmer is a former human rights lawyer, director of public prosecutions and a staunch believer in the international rule of law. He believes in justice and the fair application of the law.
Standing in the way of the ICC is the opposite of justice.
He doesn't. He is pragmatic when it comes to the law. He has form on this, when he stalled (as DPP) Westminster Magistrates Court's prosecution of an international arrest warrant against Tzipi Livni until she could get a diplomatic pass and apology from the Home Office. The law was then changed to ensure Israeli politicians could come to the UK without fear of prosecution. If Netanyahu flew in tomorrow, it would be up to Keir (ultimately) to arrest him or not; just like it's up to ministers to continue selling weapons to brutal regimes irrespective of legal judgements. The government has extraordinary arbitrary powers beyond the reach of any law.
If he believed in justice he would arrest his mate Tony Blair the warmonger for illegally invading Iraq
!BRING BACK SANGITA!
Yep not this puppet.
How is it okay for a bunch of people that stole land off another group of people and forced them into an open air prison, okay to "defend" themselves, but its not okay for the people they stole from and murdered to do the same?
@@lecturesfromleeds614 who stole land? If you mean Isreal I think you need to study some history.
Prison pour tous les israéliens qui commettent des meurtres
Absolutement!
et prison pour ts ls hamasniks aussi j'espere non?
@@emmajoseph5963
NO
@@emmajoseph5963
আল্লাহ আকবর হামাস
জিন্দাবাদ
From the river to the sea. America pay their fees
For a person who says he's not with bibi , you seem to be really hyping him up...
It’s called being objective… what would you rather he just lied to you instead??
@@johnjohntv1195 Saying Netanyahus speech was 'a masterclass in oratory' is his personal opinion, not a fact, so how was he being objective?
@@jasepotter89great retort.
No matter how tough, it will not be tough enough. Never has been, never will be !
I agree. Thank you for speaking up!
@halfpakichick
My wife is Palestinian, our daughter is adopted after her family members were all killed in a missile strike in 2006. I have a lot to say but RUclips has no sympathy for the truth
@@brianferguson7840❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Sadly 😢
@@brianferguson7840❤❤❤
He should have been arrested in USA, arrest him, don't let him get away with what he has done.
Even if the international arrest warrant was in force(which it's not) the USA Isn't a signatory so wouldn't comply.
Orators are only great if they tell the truth...
A little man in Germany with a funny moustache was also a brilliant orator. And look what that did to the world. Netanyahu also lied a number of times.
Much respect to Emily for seeing through the smoke and mirrors.
So sad the commentator seems to be enamored to Netanyahoo, and do willing to defend his cause that not ONCE did he mention the war crimes and human rights violations. He just tried to push the interviewee who has very clear positions, trying to make her sound bad. This last question, whether she's considered a sellout is totally out of line and offensive.
Respect INTERNATIONAL LAW….
Respect ICC…..
ISRAEL 🇮🇱 IS NO DIFFERENT….
Ali Miraj completely erases the Palestinians from the conversation. Disgraceful, but unfortunately too common now at LBC. Thank you Emily for correcting him.
'It was a brilliant piece of oratory'. Hitler's rants could be similarly assessed.
Thank you emily for your sensible comments!!!
There is no such a country call Isreal .
sorry to wake you from your slumber in never never land but there is indeed a country called Israel wether you like it or not.
Deal with it, accept it and then all this might have a chance to end. Your continued agenda to eradicate Israel is not helping your cause. Wake up, it’s never gonna happen. You have to find a way to live with them
Same as no country called Palestine
A) You can't spell.
B) Check any map- reality disagrees with you.
@@lizardtattoo1 is that your reality then?
There is no country called Palestine
This presenter is revolting.
He’s paid in shekels
Is this a trick question? How about using some common sense? How about following international law?
International law? Israel????😂😂😂😂. Israel and the US don't abide by International law, didn't you know that. They never have.
Government should comply with the highest international court in the world of which it is a signatory, not with a single foreign government who has been found answerable to this court. It does not matter who the warrant is for. The UK extradites others wanted on much lesser charges.
"Fundamentally wrong decision..."??? It's probably the first fundamentally CORRECT decision Starmer has ever made!
Ms. Hilton much respect. You made your points and did not back down. Thank you for standing up for the Jewish people and not blindly for this hard line far right government which will actually make things worst for everyone.
Electronic Intafada is the only source you should be listening to on Gaza. They put these reporters to shame. Their front page is 90% English language articles written by Palestinians in Palestine. You can learn something from that. You learn nothing from hearing someone judge this butcher's rhetorical skills.
They and the Grayzone were the first to debunk the "Oct. 7 se* assault" claims that the NY Times, among other news outlets, splashed all over the front page and has yet to retract.
Any other country does what Israel has been doing to Palestine for decades would be completely isolated by the entire world. Countries have been bombed and invaded, or at the very least, completely isolated by the entire global community, for far less. Ask Serbia, South Africa, Syria, Iraq, Iran etc...
A master class in oratory- wow-he could have had just stood there with his lips sealed and had the same level of support. Preaching to a choir if I ever saw it.
How on earth can you argue this is the wrong decision? Watching Netanyahu speak for an hour in front of Congress may be the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my lifetime. Let's not be like them.
I always thought the UK and the West unconditional support of Israel was wrong. I did not understand how they coukd say what Putin is doing in Ukraine os a war crime, yet the same thing was ok for Israel and the IDF.
Putin illegally invaded a sovereign state, without provocation in an attempted land grab.
Whilst I do not support Israel that isn't the case here. There was provocation and Israel dosen't intend to take Palestine. Clearly they're more interested in just destroying it at this point.
Btw, am I wrong to find this presentor to appear like a hundred percent netayahu's fan and cheerleader? And ofcourse israel also
If you have to ask? You're in the wrong. If anything by rights, imo he needs to be tougher
Mf wants MORE weapons ffs 😂
Madness 🤦🏽♂️🤣
This presenter is ruthless. He couldn't even mention the suffering of the Palestinians. How could he be this evil?
And he also said the war criminal is a great orator when actually the war criminal is a lousy liar. Spewing scripted lies after lies to his paid stooges.
We always speak about Israel, but why not about the people of Israel. They are for the majority quilty for the extermination of Palestinians. They voted in majority for the current government.
Finally Keir has done something that is correct. Well done him.
It's a question of faith in the ICC to do it's job.
Do you believe in due process or not.
If Netenyahu is not guilty then the ICC should find that to be so.
If you deny the ICC the opportunity to do it's job, it becomes toothless and you embolden others.
We need arrest warrants for evil Netanyahu..
Finally Starmer woke up. Respect
One of us is either deaf or very naive. I didn't hear from Netanyahu a formidable well crafted speech, just silly lies, easily to dismantle
In a democracy decisions should be supported by a majority of the population of the country, not genocidal special interest groups.
Well done UK- thinking with common sense.
Clapping for war criminals? What ever happened to the heroes?
There was nothing masterclass about his speach... It was full of lies and bull.... . Those applauding are on AIPAC payroll with no moral values so we shouldn't see applause as sign of "worthiness" but rather as a clear indication of "......licking" or creeping... Call it what you want.
Hats off to Emily. Great articulation of the truth. Wish LBC would host more honest people like that.
Is it even a question. It's only 10 months too late !!!
Ali Miraj. Have a word with yourself. Everyone clapping like seals were paid up members of AIPAC.
If you need to ask if this is "right", there's something wrong with you.
Wow. A rare W for Starmer.
Hey guys.....
standing ovations and applause would not have happened in the absence of money and leverage from lobby groups such as AIPAC in DC.
It is clear, from congresses behaviour, who they wanted to impress... the hand that feeds them!
to a high extent, AIPAC and their deep strong network work aggressively to keep sitting Congress members inline with their plans.
Not to forget the major campaign contributions to the presidential elections.... and the influence that extends.
Israel therefore HAS major influence on US Congress and the US president.
I am very surprised Kid Starver has agreed to drop this.
If ignorance truly is bliss, You must be in an eternal state of ecstacy. Unbounded happiness matched only by lack of knowledge.
Yes I’m surprised kid starver dropped this also
“Crime minister” monster Netanyahu
Masterclass? 😂.
Huh?! You also fell for crime minister of Israel?
👏👏👏👏labour
All sides needs to be held accountable. Justice for the innocent civilians who as been slaughtered, from Hamas and IDF. Peace and justice for all !
imagine how low we have gone, “allow institutions to do their job”
Shocked at how you can say he provided a masterclass and unequivocal argument for the destruction of the palestinian people. Have you gone even further right Ali and further from the truth and your heritage?
I actually feel bad for not voting labour now… what do Labour friends of Israel think about this 🤔
A lot of Congress didn't attend, tey fill the room with stand ins to not embarrass him.
congressman clapping to a war criminal ,they sounded so excited remind me of an Aerosmith concert
DONT HELP ISREAL
What Isreal doing is a war crime
So Labour have done one thing right.
Master class, this man is smoking Igbo
Arrest him!!
Every day that passes, Sangita is more redeemed for standing against evil. Great jib LBC. You will be remembered for the propaganda you wouldn't question
Greetings from Ireland .. BDS apartheid Israel .. Free Palestine!
I applaud the MP bring honest. It’s not just Jewish values but human values.
Emmilie as a jew myself we've tried appeasement 80 years ago they didn't care about what views you had all ended up in the same place same applies today 1000 times
His speech wasn’t a masterclass, it was a sad insight to the American Congress. A foreign leader, all be it a friendly one, comes to their House and insults the people they represent and some stood up and applauded him. It’s a shame too many American Congress men/women on both sides have been paid and bought by the Israeli lobby. Congress members are so frightened of AIPAC, America is now isolated with Isreal on the international stage.
Netenyahu should be arrested.
I blame uk for the delay of the case. Cause after that it stimulated other countries and even individuals to do so. And it delayed the arrest warrant indefinately. So uk should have not pull back and forever been seen as the one who created kinda a new case.
🤮SHAME! ON YOU UK🤮
No ! You are wrong. The UK Labour party needed to get into power before it could DO ANYTHING. Now it is, and now it will.
Are you able to expand on the individuals and countries please?
Language matters; blame the conservative government we had, not the “UK”, which implies ‘WE the People’ are responsible, which of course, we are not.
Please feel free not to visit 😏
@john_cockpit I could be wrong, but it seems odd but not unheard of that blaming everyone else for your actions, just like Israel, is like a form of denial.
In a word NO. Labour is not right. Put it in another way, if the UK was surrounded by hostile countries who keep sending missiles over and we show restraint then citizens are taken hostage, others murdered will our country's Prime Minister do nothing? If he's a coward he probably will, if he loves his country he would take action.
yeah because israel totally wasnt shooting missiles into and shooting protesters in gaza ("mowing the lawn") before oct7th 🤡
We need more Jews stand up against Israel crimes
Funny thing is everything Netanyahu says about his enemies he seems to be doing to a greater extent. His slaughter of thousands of civilians in Gaza is brutal.
Netanyahu is the problem. Israel will be best served to get rid of him. If Netanyahu's analogy about Jewish land were to stand, then United States of America belongs to Native Indians
Half the democrats did not attend the speech at congress. I understand that they filled the empty seats with special guests to ensure there were enough clapping seals for that deplorable speech. I think the occasion should be seen as an indictment against humanity.
Netanyahoo just attacked USA and its citizens and they applaused him!
Yes!
Disraceful. Even CNN fact checked the speech better than Ali did here.
Well done 👍🏿 STARMER….
Emily is the way forward. Very powerful. We need progressive Voices like hers in the Jewish community.