Science has always flourished from the Free Exchange of Knowledge and many scientists are pretty religious about it. Thus acts that to Oppenheimer may have seemed the regular actions of a Scientist, may have been seen by others as espionage. So my answer: Both.
So, did they write their scripts separately and only reveal them while filming? Probably not, but it is fun to think about that possibility. I love the dynamics between the "rising star" trying out her new moves, and the "established matron" who still has a few tricks up her sleeve that she hasn't revealed yet.
Well done ladies. I absolutely love how this channel manages to inform the viewer of the actual factual history more or less without putting us to sleep. The mother-daughter disagreement schtick was genius. I personally can't wait to see what next controversy you both disagree about
Great video! I really enjoyed it, and it looks like Anna and Astrid were having too much fun..but that makes it even better! Always love this mother/daughter team!
This was a pleasure to watch. I can't believe it took this long to get grabbed by Spies and Ties. I have a LOT of catching up to do. And oh yeah, he was a Spyientist!
In Nolan's film there is telling scene in which general Groves says that Oppenheimer would not be considered reliable enough on then-current standards. Then he adds that none of scientific minds of Manhattan Project would qualify either.
That's because Lewis Strauss (the head of the Atomic Energy Commission) had the standards changed as a method of getting even with Oppenheimer for embarrassing him in front of Congress. Strauss was petty and vindictive and had a self-defined mission to get even with Oppenheimer.
Considering there were actual, legitimate Soviet spies on the inside of the project, like Klaus Fuchs, that was a bit of an understatement from Groves 😂 But also, plenty of the completely loyal scientists who had zero intentions to betray the cause, simply possessed leftist ideas or knew shady individuals (likely with no idea they were opposition), which is how Nolan’s Oppenheimer was portrayed. A man devoted to stopping the Nazis and focused on science, but happened to have communist or rather, communist adjacent beliefs (socialism. Not quite the same, but still considered unacceptable by most at the time). Strauss honestly was absolutely right about having tightened security, but it can also be true at the same time that Strauss was petty and wanted to get back at Oppenheimer regardless of whether he was a spy in any way or not. As said in the video, many of the scientists on the project, and close to the project, believed in some sort of sharing of scientific knowledge, and open communication. Mainly to avoid any one country having a monopoly on such a seriously dangerous weapon/energy.
@@Kingbimmy Fuchs was spy closest to really important stuff. My view is that science (theory) was already known by every major physicist on planet. It was much more about technical solutions needed to harness that theory into functional stuff. Anyone reading publications in which nuclear physicians published would have noticed unusual drought of new publications. Sign of scientists being busy on something else.
Trivia, his wife, my mother, and I were once at the same hospital at the same time. I was coming into this world while she, Ms. Oppenheimer, was sadly departing this world.
Oppenheimer wrote and paid for a pamphlet supporting the USSR's invasion of Finland. That's rather hardline Stalinist. This isn't to say that he retained the same beliefs later on.
Now, but the ties they're referring to occurred before Oppenheimer was employed by the government. Oppenheimer's brothers and wife's sympathies were well known as was his relationship with Jean Tatlock. Oppenheimer was a liberal and may have had socialist sympathies but he was no spy. He may have been careless about who he trusted. Oppenheimer was a classic research scientist without the was and the Manhattan project and Los Alamos, he probably would not be remembered outside scientific circles. As it was he feared his creation. At the Trinity test he made that famous quote from the Bhagavad Gita "Now I am become Death, the shatterer of worlds." If you think about it Oppenheimer's politics and sympathies were well known, he didn't hide them. If he really were a spy Oppenheimer would not have advertised his political views.
This is the first I've heard of the NKVD under Beria exonerating someone of an allegation of treason. I'm sure the story of whoever ratted Zarubin out to both J. Edgar Hoover and Stalin is quite interesting. I guess the NKVD figured out that the rat was just being a rat. But the story is probably in unreleased files.
I've pondered this some time. Not a spy. But knew the physics of the bomb was a matter of time and expense. The USSR had both time and resources. And minds. Loyal to the country that supported he and fellow scientists diving into atomic physics
Why would two senior Soviet spies lie to each other? Because they are both part of an authoritarian regime where personal reputation is more important than the mission and peers attempting to undermine and even have each other executed was common practice under Stalin's regime.
It's not. This has all been covered in excruciating detail in many books and biographies. This is purely RUclips clickbait for people who haven't taken the time to thoroughly delve into Oppenheimer and the Manhattan Project. "American Prometheus The Triumph and Tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer," "Robert Oppenheimer: A Life Inside the Center," "Robert Oppenheimer: Letters and Recollections," "The General and the Genius: Groves and Oppenheimer - The Unlikely Partnership that Built the Atom Bomb," and, of course, "The Making of the Atomic Bomb." To name only a few of the books that include the subject of Oppenheimer and his ties to the Communist Party.
I absolutely love that sweater Anna! People don’t realize what a beautiful color Brown can actually be. It’s wonderful for your complexion and coloring! Love Spies and Ties!
15:17 This is actually not true. Oppie notified army intelligence of his approach by Eltenton (through Haakon Chevalier). This in turn led to the infamous Chevalier incident.
The one thing that has always made the Communist connection with some who worked on the bomb that makes this a gray area is that the US and the Soviet Union were Allies. The two didn’t become enemies until the Cold War started. What I did learn was that Oppenheimer was uncomfortable with only one country having the weapon thinking it could be used for world domination, blackmail etc.
He as scientist should have known that other countries would eventually also develop it as theoretical knowledge was there and all that was needed was will and ability. What always hampered domestic communists in every country was Soviet insistence of controlling them either directly or their own approved henchmen and many such national communists were quite uneager to just be Kremlin's expendable hand puppet.
@@vksasdgaming9472 Yes, that’s why Tito refused to fully join with Stalin. He had lived and worked with the party in Russia and knew Stalin and wasn’t willing to be a puppet. I always wondered why he was never killed by Stalin, maybe Stalin died before he got to Tito. He did have his hands full after the war getting his European satellites up and running plus the Balkans have always been a tough region to handle because nobody liked nobody!
OMG! You two were hilarious in this video! This was a great video and informative. I believe Oppenheimer was taken advantage of because of his idealistic views of the world. Do I think he was a spy? No not at all.
It appears that all who were involved were more concerned about the Nazis finding out what they were doing instead of the Soviets who were actually our allies at the time.
I know I shouln't dwell on this but you both have your looks dialed up to 11. And a great topic too and well presented so it's all good! I never have commented that Indy was hot so tell him that.
This was very charming. Like if you put me and my mother in front of a camera to discuss the Oxford comma. But with fewer knives. And more intact eyes at the end.
Without Oppenheimer the Allies wouldn't have had the bomb in 1945. It was Oppenheimer's combination of decisiveness managerial ability interpersonal skills and scientific insight when combined with General Groves handling of what we now call the political military-industrial complex that drove the whole project progress..
If the head of the Manhattan Project were a Soviet Spy, why on earth would they need any other agents in the project? Oppy could have provided them with every single piece of intelligence they needed without the risk that a large scale network entailed. No need to recruit amateurs like Julius Rosenberg from the ranks of the CPUSA. Moreover, if there had been any credible evidence that he was spying, why wasn't it used to discredit him later on? It would certainly have made the case that he shouldn't have a security clearance a slam dunk.
My ex-CIA then Soviet specialist for Air Force intelligence in the 1950s father had a name for Oppemheimer's generation : ' premature anti-Fascists.' Never said anything else related to his work. I think that says a lot about liberal attitudes during WWII toward the pro- Lincoln Brigade sympathizers.
The British were developing the Atomic bomb and the Americans were terrified in case it ended up in the enemy's hands. So they required it to all be shipped to the US as the Manhattan Project and Oppenheimer got all the credit.
No, he didn't. There is no evidence to support that contention. It was Leslie Groves's job to provide security for the entire project. Oppenheimer had nothing to do with security on the project. Fuchs was allowed into the project because Groves was assured by the British (who provided Fuchs for the project) that they had done a complete background check - which was a total fabrication by the British.
As somebody who enjoys bracelets, I have only now just taken notice of yours. I approve. Especially with how many Astrid wears, you can never have enough haha
ladies, ladies, ladies.... there're enough high heels for everyone! (he said, stealing a line from "Birdcage" [i think]... nope. "The Boys in the Band")
@@spartacus-olsson Hi Sparty, if i ever see you presenting a video in an eye patch or dark glasses, i will know you caught one of thise wandering hands! Thank you
To better understand an American’s attraction to or sympathy for so called communist causes I recommend Being Red by Howard Fast. It was an education for me.
Oppenheimer supported the American Communist Party because they were directly helping the anti-fascists in Spain. He did not support the ideals and philosophies of Marxism or Communism.
In the 1930s, Communism was viewed as a "new" way to organize a country's government. In fact, the United States Communist Party rented Madison Square Garden for their national convention and 65,000 people attended the convention.
Oppy went to a school of ethics.i believe this is his mind.like einstein.we don't know what will happe I think he was ethically correct Thank you darlings
Hi Astrid and Anna Most interesting episode. I cant take eyes and ears of this video. I think Oppenheimer may not be spy. Astrid and Anna arguing is hilarious. Mom or Daughter ,who will win Thanks for the video.
Excellent, ladies! 👍 You're also excellent ladies! 👍 Love your animated presentations. ❤ While I believe Anna got it right about Oppenheimer, I'm aware that the matter remains hotly contested.
I figured Oppenheimer was too busy to do much spying. That was a heck of a difficult and complicated job. Besides, he had a lot of eyes on him unlike the "underlings". I don't believe he thought the Soviets stood a chance of making the bomb before the Americans. It's not like German and other scientists fled and went to the Soviet Union on any relevant scale. He had to know that (he hired them).
After reading about him, I am shocked that they put him in charge of anything important. He twice chocked men who he was jealous of. He tried to kill a woman who he was jealous of, by dropping a suitcase off of a balcony on her. And his gf died under mysterious circumstances.
I thought that the gf who died of mysterious circumstances was either killed by someone who was spying on him, and the fear was that he had revealed top secret info to her, so she was taken out and made to appear as a suicide. He didn’t directly kill her or even want her dead. Supposedly. Or it could’ve actually been suicide, but there was a lot of suspicious details like the drugs in her system that many believe she didn’t take, someone else forced her to 🤔 If *he* killed her, that opens a whole other can of worms!
That was very informative and highly entertaining. They should do a mother/ daughter tour, kind of like a vaudeville act. But seriously, I think Anna might be closer to the truth, but Oppenheimer was too much of a loose cannon idealist to be truely helpful to the Soviets.
As you now know, whether Oppenheimer was a Spy is still hotly debated today. What do you think, Scientist or Spy, let us know!
I've decided. Your lipstick is far more awesomeness than Indy's ties! Lovely 🌹
I don't think I'd dare disagree with either Anna or Astrid. So: yes.
Scientist, the book The Sword and the Shield mentions nothing of Oppenheimer except name, age, and title.
Science has always flourished from the Free Exchange of Knowledge and many scientists are pretty religious about it. Thus acts that to Oppenheimer may have seemed the regular actions of a Scientist, may have been seen by others as espionage.
So my answer: Both.
@@TheEvertw No his own staff didn't trust him
These two ladies are not suffering from their excentricities, they are reveling in it. Entertaining.
I have to watch their episodes twice. The first time for the entertainment and the second time for the information.
Eccentric? Seems normal to me. Although as we say in the Netherlands, "Just be normal, that's crazy enough"
They are exaggerating them for entertainment purposes. Nothing abnormal or wrong with that.
Regardless of where you fall on the Oppenheimer question, I think we can agree this was one of Astrid and Anna’s best episodes
Thank you for watching!
Absolutely!
Yes, the heavily sarcastic "MOTHER" was priceless!
So, did they write their scripts separately and only reveal them while filming?
Probably not, but it is fun to think about that possibility. I love the dynamics between the "rising star" trying out her new moves, and the "established matron" who still has a few tricks up her sleeve that she hasn't revealed yet.
Well done ladies. I absolutely love how this channel manages to inform the viewer of the actual factual history more or less without putting us to sleep. The mother-daughter disagreement schtick was genius. I personally can't wait to see what next controversy you both disagree about
Why do I love your "arguing" so much?? 😅😅😅 Great episode.
You ladies are simply brilliant!
It's the good interrogator and bad interrogator technique... 😅😂
Have you not been around smart morthers and daughters
Thank you for watching!
A complete delight, and informative too! Thanks to all!
Great video! I really enjoyed it, and it looks like Anna and Astrid were having too much fun..but that makes it even better! Always love this mother/daughter team!
I'm curious about what role Frank Oppenheimer, Robert's brother, played in all of this.
Wasn't he one of those "Rote Pests," Iike legitimately & openly and well known because of it?
Perhaps your best episode. Well played, ladies.
Brilliant episode. A real joy to watch you both bantering. :)
What a fun episode. I love the back and forth. This is almost exactly like a conversation I had with my parents recently!
Tack för ett av de roligaste avsnitten och ett av de mest intressanta. Spion eller 🤔
This was a pleasure to watch. I can't believe it took this long to get grabbed by Spies and Ties. I have a LOT of catching up to do. And oh yeah, he was a Spyientist!
In Nolan's film there is telling scene in which general Groves says that Oppenheimer would not be considered reliable enough on then-current standards. Then he adds that none of scientific minds of Manhattan Project would qualify either.
That's because Lewis Strauss (the head of the Atomic Energy Commission) had the standards changed as a method of getting even with Oppenheimer for embarrassing him in front of Congress. Strauss was petty and vindictive and had a self-defined mission to get even with Oppenheimer.
@@buckhorncortez Petty and vindictive might be true, but tightening security demands is very rational.
Considering there were actual, legitimate Soviet spies on the inside of the project, like Klaus Fuchs, that was a bit of an understatement from Groves 😂
But also, plenty of the completely loyal scientists who had zero intentions to betray the cause, simply possessed leftist ideas or knew shady individuals (likely with no idea they were opposition), which is how Nolan’s Oppenheimer was portrayed. A man devoted to stopping the Nazis and focused on science, but happened to have communist or rather, communist adjacent beliefs (socialism. Not quite the same, but still considered unacceptable by most at the time).
Strauss honestly was absolutely right about having tightened security, but it can also be true at the same time that Strauss was petty and wanted to get back at Oppenheimer regardless of whether he was a spy in any way or not.
As said in the video, many of the scientists on the project, and close to the project, believed in some sort of sharing of scientific knowledge, and open communication. Mainly to avoid any one country having a monopoly on such a seriously dangerous weapon/energy.
@@Kingbimmy Fuchs was spy closest to really important stuff. My view is that science (theory) was already known by every major physicist on planet. It was much more about technical solutions needed to harness that theory into functional stuff.
Anyone reading publications in which nuclear physicians published would have noticed unusual drought of new publications. Sign of scientists being busy on something else.
Trivia, his wife, my mother, and I were once at the same hospital at the same time. I was coming into this world while she, Ms. Oppenheimer, was sadly departing this world.
That’s incredible as well as sad, on her part 😔
Very cool story to have at least ❤
Oppenheimer wrote and paid for a pamphlet supporting the USSR's invasion of Finland. That's rather hardline Stalinist. This isn't to say that he retained the same beliefs later on.
Maybe that's how he grabbed the Soviets' attention.
America didn’t oppose the Soviet Invasion of Finland nor Poland
@@kingjames3949 America was officially neutral at the time. Oppenheimer was not.
@@clownpendotfart “Officially” The entire West/Allies didn’t oppose either invasion.
Specious comment, given the stance by the United States, Britain, and France on the issue.
Going off your other videos on this subject I think the better question would be: who was involved in the Manhattan project and wasn’t a soviet spy?
There were 8,000 employees at Los Alamos alone.
Me. Source: me.
Of the senior people, Mark Oliphant was quietly ant-communist for all of his life.
Anyone with a security clearance is required to report any contact with foreign agents or suspected agents
Yeah and I’m sure they did it all the time back then.
Now, but the ties they're referring to occurred before Oppenheimer was employed by the government. Oppenheimer's brothers and wife's sympathies were well known as was his relationship with Jean Tatlock. Oppenheimer was a liberal and may have had socialist sympathies but he was no spy. He may have been careless about who he trusted. Oppenheimer was a classic research scientist without the was and the Manhattan project and Los Alamos, he probably would not be remembered outside scientific circles. As it was he feared his creation. At the Trinity test he made that famous quote from the Bhagavad Gita "Now I am become Death, the shatterer of worlds." If you think about it Oppenheimer's politics and sympathies were well known, he didn't hide them. If he really were a spy Oppenheimer would not have advertised his political views.
You two are a Blast o Watch. Informative and Funny all at the same Time. Classy Duo!!!!
I loved that debate during the second half of the episode! Both perspectives were treated with respekt, and both were equally represented.
I haven't watched this series in a while. You got me back.
Thanks for watching.
This is the first I've heard of the NKVD under Beria exonerating someone of an allegation of treason. I'm sure the story of whoever ratted Zarubin out to both J. Edgar Hoover and Stalin is quite interesting. I guess the NKVD figured out that the rat was just being a rat. But the story is probably in unreleased files.
I've pondered this some time. Not a spy. But knew the physics of the bomb was a matter of time and expense. The USSR had both time and resources. And minds.
Loyal to the country that supported he and fellow scientists diving into atomic physics
very funny and interesting episode! thanks❤
I like the facial expressions and hand movements that both of you engage in when the other is speaking.
They have a lot of fun together!
Why would two senior Soviet spies lie to each other? Because they are both part of an authoritarian regime where personal reputation is more important than the mission and peers attempting to undermine and even have each other executed was common practice under Stalin's regime.
And each one of them were boot lickers and wanted to impress Stalin...
LoL I love all the facial expressions and the banter back and forth 😊
Keep up the great work 👍
Nice performance, Anna and Astrid!
Long live The Balance Of Power!
I didn't realize that the Oppenheimer situation was still that ambiguous. Great episode.
It's not. This has all been covered in excruciating detail in many books and biographies. This is purely RUclips clickbait for people who haven't taken the time to thoroughly delve into Oppenheimer and the Manhattan Project. "American Prometheus The Triumph and Tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer," "Robert Oppenheimer: A Life Inside the Center," "Robert Oppenheimer: Letters and Recollections," "The General and the Genius: Groves and Oppenheimer - The Unlikely Partnership that Built the Atom Bomb," and, of course, "The Making of the Atomic Bomb." To name only a few of the books that include the subject of Oppenheimer and his ties to the Communist Party.
@@buckhorncortez And the answer is . . . ?
@@Paladin1873 Bucky is an Oppy fanboie who can't imagine him being "imperfect" from the 'Merican stereotype.
@@obsidianjane4413 From what I recall, Edward Teller didn't think he was a spy, just a naive and trusting fool at times.
@@Paladin1873 That describes most American socialists really...
Yah know, I do not have any more certainty about Oppenheimer, but you two are delightful! Keep up the good work.
RIDDLE ME THIS, MOTHER 🗣️🗣️🗣️
I absolutely love that sweater Anna! People don’t realize what a beautiful color Brown can actually be. It’s wonderful for your complexion and coloring! Love Spies and Ties!
Great video, looking forward for the bloopers, Anna was hilarious on the last one 😆
A similar debate could be had about a certain presidential candidate who’s known for his hair…
His case is easier: too stupid to actually learn anything about espionage practices.
DU HAST KEINE AHNUNG!! 🤣
Guys I totally loved the infighting between the two of you. Made the whole episode very very enjoyable!! 👍
I love this give and take dynamic of the show.
He was later excluded for reasons not mentioned.
Anna's especially funny when she goes into sass mode. LOL
15:17 This is actually not true. Oppie notified army intelligence of his approach by Eltenton (through Haakon Chevalier). This in turn led to the infamous Chevalier incident.
I hope you might mention Igor Gouzenko in one of these videos. Thanks,
The one thing that has always made the Communist connection with some who worked on the bomb that makes this a gray area is that the US and the Soviet Union were Allies. The two didn’t become enemies until the Cold War started. What I did learn was that Oppenheimer was uncomfortable with only one country having the weapon thinking it could be used for world domination, blackmail etc.
He as scientist should have known that other countries would eventually also develop it as theoretical knowledge was there and all that was needed was will and ability. What always hampered domestic communists in every country was Soviet insistence of controlling them either directly or their own approved henchmen and many such national communists were quite uneager to just be Kremlin's expendable hand puppet.
@@vksasdgaming9472 Yes, that’s why Tito refused to fully join with Stalin. He had lived and worked with the party in Russia and knew Stalin and wasn’t willing to be a puppet. I always wondered why he was never killed by Stalin, maybe Stalin died before he got to Tito. He did have his hands full after the war getting his European satellites up and running plus the Balkans have always been a tough region to handle because nobody liked nobody!
@@annehersey9895Stalin tried. Many times. Tito told him to stop or he sends assassin to Moscow and there will be no need for another.
Oppenheimer definitely made sure the secret couldnt be kept from the Soviets.
Always refreshing!
Oppenheimer: no.
Barbie: yes.
This video is gold 🪙
OMG! You two were hilarious in this video! This was a great video and informative. I believe Oppenheimer was taken advantage of because of his idealistic views of the world. Do I think he was a spy? No not at all.
It appears that all who were involved were more concerned about the Nazis finding out what they were doing instead of the Soviets who were actually our allies at the time.
Delightful. Also more frank than one usually sees on the Oppenheimer issue.
What a great story, wonderfully told by both of you. Long may you wave.
The videos are much more fun when they have a few drinks first. I like the new formula.
Intriguing, thank you!
Wonderful introduction video about that complicated matter through thrilled watching introduction
I know I shouln't dwell on this but you both have your looks dialed up to 11. And a great topic too and well presented so it's all good! I never have commented that Indy was hot so tell him that.
This was very charming. Like if you put me and my mother in front of a camera to discuss the Oxford comma. But with fewer knives. And more intact eyes at the end.
Oppenheimer didn't want to be a Soviet spy, but he didn't try very hard at not being a Soviet spy, either.
Look at the times . Progressive people who hated racism, the Capitalist class structure and the rise of fascism looked to the Soviet Union ...
Anna ist doch schön!!
always love Astrid's hats! great video, looking good ladies
Without Oppenheimer the Allies wouldn't have had the bomb in 1945. It was Oppenheimer's combination of decisiveness managerial ability interpersonal skills and scientific insight when combined with General Groves handling of what we now call the political military-industrial complex that drove the whole project progress..
Hey no catfighting in the war room.❤🎉😂
Good afternoon from Portugal, ma'ams. Can I keep my Beretta .25? 😎😅Thank you very much for the excellent video.
If the head of the Manhattan Project were a Soviet Spy, why on earth would they need any other agents in the project? Oppy could have provided them with every single piece of intelligence they needed without the risk that a large scale network entailed. No need to recruit amateurs like Julius Rosenberg from the ranks of the CPUSA. Moreover, if there had been any credible evidence that he was spying, why wasn't it used to discredit him later on? It would certainly have made the case that he shouldn't have a security clearance a slam dunk.
"Please riddle me this, mother" 🤣🤣🤣
My ex-CIA then Soviet specialist for Air Force intelligence in the 1950s father had a name for Oppemheimer's generation : ' premature anti-Fascists.' Never said anything else related to his work. I think that says a lot about liberal attitudes during WWII toward the pro- Lincoln Brigade sympathizers.
Yes, that says it all
The British were developing the Atomic bomb and the Americans were terrified in case it ended up in the enemy's hands. So they required it to all be shipped to the US as the Manhattan Project and Oppenheimer got all the credit.
I think he was savvy enough not get directly involved in spying.
Yes...No...Maybe...I don't know...Can you repeat the question?
😂
I dont think he directly gave the soviets info but definitely knew about the spies among the group.
No, he didn't. There is no evidence to support that contention. It was Leslie Groves's job to provide security for the entire project. Oppenheimer had nothing to do with security on the project. Fuchs was allowed into the project because Groves was assured by the British (who provided Fuchs for the project) that they had done a complete background check - which was a total fabrication by the British.
Oh my I'm high AF !
As somebody who enjoys bracelets, I have only now just taken notice of yours. I approve. Especially with how many Astrid wears, you can never have enough haha
ladies, ladies, ladies....
there're enough high heels for everyone!
(he said, stealing a line from "Birdcage" [i think]...
nope. "The Boys in the Band")
Super duo.
I prefer the eminent scientist Wisenheimer
Time Ghost will possibly revive.
Anna is very brave to say shush to Astrid. Don't think i have ever seen Sparty or Indi ever say this.
It’s called the daughter bonus 😇
@@annadeinhard8971 thank you for your reply. Would love to see Sparty try this and the resulting reaction.
@@archstanton6102that would be too costly for my taste… and in any case, I would have no reason - my wife is always right…
@@spartacus-olsson Hi Sparty, if i ever see you presenting a video in an eye patch or dark glasses, i will know you caught one of thise wandering hands!
Thank you
Dare i get an Astrid comment and complete the whole family?
To better understand an American’s attraction to or sympathy for so called communist causes I recommend Being Red by Howard Fast. It was an education for me.
Oppenheimer supported the American Communist Party because they were directly helping the anti-fascists in Spain. He did not support the ideals and philosophies of Marxism or Communism.
In the 1930s, Communism was viewed as a "new" way to organize a country's government. In fact, the United States Communist Party rented Madison Square Garden for their national convention and 65,000 people attended the convention.
I would prefer, just by personal bias, the Autobiography of Richard Wright
His wife could have been the spy even if he was not. Things like that have been known to happen.
Oppy went to a school of ethics.i believe this is his mind.like einstein.we don't know what will happe
I think he was ethically correct
Thank you darlings
You two are really lovely
Hi Astrid and Anna
Most interesting episode.
I cant take eyes and ears of this video.
I think Oppenheimer may not be spy.
Astrid and Anna arguing is hilarious.
Mom or Daughter ,who will win
Thanks for the video.
Performances by the ladies Worthy the Oscar nominations
You ladies are awesome what a show! Oppenheimer is a fascinating individual but I do believe his beliefs morphed to support and stand by the US.
I think I learned dont' get between 2 Deinhard's when they are talking about spys.
Excellent, ladies! 👍 You're also excellent ladies! 👍 Love your animated presentations. ❤ While I believe Anna got it right about Oppenheimer, I'm aware that the matter remains hotly contested.
He created Godzilla in our universe and in the fictional universe.
Zarubin has a strong resemblance to Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits). Is there a story there?
I figured Oppenheimer was too busy to do much spying. That was a heck of a difficult and complicated job. Besides, he had a lot of eyes on him unlike the "underlings". I don't believe he thought the Soviets stood a chance of making the bomb before the Americans. It's not like German and other scientists fled and went to the Soviet Union on any relevant scale. He had to know that (he hired them).
After reading about him, I am shocked that they put him in charge of anything important. He twice chocked men who he was jealous of. He tried to kill a woman who he was jealous of, by dropping a suitcase off of a balcony on her. And his gf died under mysterious circumstances.
I thought that the gf who died of mysterious circumstances was either killed by someone who was spying on him, and the fear was that he had revealed top secret info to her, so she was taken out and made to appear as a suicide. He didn’t directly kill her or even want her dead. Supposedly.
Or it could’ve actually been suicide, but there was a lot of suspicious details like the drugs in her system that many believe she didn’t take, someone else forced her to 🤔
If *he* killed her, that opens a whole other can of worms!
He had knowledge and skills posessed by few others.
Robot Julius Oppenheimer 🤖
I just ask this:
Isn't the perfect spy someone who doesn't know about himself that he's a spy?
True Story was present in film with Cilian Murphy. Duh. :)
Oh you two! 😊
Zwei geniale Frauen. Deutsche Sendung bald?
How deep where the Soviets in Manhattan Project?
Klaus Fuchs is the answer. Very deep.
That was very informative and highly entertaining. They should do a mother/ daughter tour, kind of like a vaudeville act. But seriously, I think Anna might be closer to the truth, but Oppenheimer was too much of a loose cannon idealist to be truely helpful to the Soviets.
@15:00 Are ya'll reciting comments "discussions"? lol
I'm (watching) because of Anna. :D
LMAO I love it when you two goobers are together on screen, it's always a good time
15:19 🤣👍
17:44 🤣🤣🤣
Point, counterpoint Deinhart style
You girls are great!