I just found Leon today, and EVERYTHING he says is absolutely clicking with me. I haven’t found someone whose thinking I’ve been so instantly enraptured by in ages. For months now I’ve taken issue with “applied psychoanalysis,” and have tried to express why exactly I feel that way, but kept finding myself unable to rationally justify my position in the face of all the ontology-based discourse I’ve found myself so embroiled in. I even had a class on Jungian psychoanalysis in college this past year, and found many of the haphazardly-invoked “applied” aspects of it infuriating. I dedicated hours of time agonizing over, and writing about, why exactly I thought that was the case. Finally, finally, I’ve found someone explicitly articulating so many of the intuitions I’ve had about this topic and that have just barely started to crystallize for me. Thank you so much for this video, I’m barely a quarter of an hour in and already Brenner is absolutely rocking my world haha
I first found Leon during Melbourne lockdown in 2020. It was a recorded lecture on Lacan, the Phallus and the Oedipus. I was instantly drawn to his calm and thoughtful delivery. This interview demonstrates how much he has developed his style so that he can help others enjoy and explore quite difficult subject matter. I thoroughly enjoyed the content of this interview. Thank you.
I think until one experiences psychoanalysis, it is difficult to put into words how that relationship can be transformative! Leon offers some great insight into the elements of transformation part of psychoanalytic treatments. Very nice interview, Leon is a great resource of transmitting psychoanalytic processes and theory.
He is indeed amazing! Please let Leon know as I'm sure he'll appreciate it: twitter.com/leonbrennercom And hoping to have him on again this year! Thanks for your comment!
Thank you, my friend. I really appreciate the comment, and Leon's a great guest indeed! Ah, haha... yeah... Huberman is a good scientist, but some of his more philosophical inferences on subjectivity are questionable.
I love when he talks about the "tactics" of psychoanalysis, avoiding advice/diagnoses/conclusions. i feel like this is a generally applicable idea to any use of language/thought. I remember Zizek saying something about the role of the analyst being to intervene at the moment of epiphany, when the analysand thinks they have gained some sort of insight. I enjoy doing this in conversations or with my own thoughts and i think out of personal experience can attest to the efficacy of not ever fully "trusting" your conclusions. Maybe some psychological "pathologies" are simply an effect of the person refusing to entertain some (traumatic?) line of thought, because they already reached a conclusion. Today, often i hear about "self doubts" and how they should be erased to reach a more confident and therefore functional state. But this functioning ironically seems very dysfunctional and prone to reckless and unreflected behavior. Stronger self-doubt, again just in my experience, seems to also produce a stronger sense of self rather than stifling it. Here the "conclusion" at fault seems to be about the nature of the self or rather the whole psyche which it is conflated with. It is regarded as something astonishingly rigid and immutable while (again: just my experience) it is extremely volatile, inconsistent, and in general very susceptible (though consciously resistant) to change. Well, those were some of my free associatons. Anyway thanks, always happy to see Leon throw a free one out here for the unwashed masses.
I’m in deep agreement here! I think Lacanians like Leon adopt these views and modes of therapy from the fundamental principle in psychoanalysis that there’s no stable human being, which, while at first, seems morbid, can be rather emancipatory practically speaking. I also recall Žižek saying in one of his films that the only authentic emotion is anxiety. Thanks for the well-thought-out comment!
Thank you! And sure, do listen to Why Theory! Excellent podcast. Planning to have them both, Todd in particular, next year 😀 Found his book on Hegel riveting!
Elation and emotion can be shared without common understanding of anything but body and shared space. But that is far from being useful communication outside of "love" affairs and reproduction.
It seems to me that this "knowing" outside of the subjective "I" you refer to is something like what Lacan means by the Symbolic? The virtual order that allows intersubjectivity in the first place?
@@RahulSam I'm most intrigued by the evolution of thought and ideas... My assumption is that internal thought had to come first, but couldn't evolve in itself until language had already began. It's interesting to think about, from the pre-conditions point of view. But yes, symbolism makes it all work. When did language stop being posturing and start being communication?
@@RahulSam How does aphantasia and autism play their role in all of that? And oxytocin always intrigues me. Seeing the capacity in dogs and cats, when they don't do it for themselves but do it with humans....
As in paper; see her work on abjection, say, in the Power of Horror; also Laura Doyle 'Bodies of Resistance' and Morag McSween 'Anorexic Bodies' all challenge the inherent oppressive patriarchal nature embedded within pheno(men)ology ~@autism: in the UK the high prevalence/incidence of adhd/autism amongst women wasn't fully recognised until 2008! The treatment of for, say, polyvagus collapse (burnout) viewed as emotional dysregulation and attributed to BPD or EUPD. The structural issues more about the rise in Equity backed ownership of primary care ie gp's and the higher patient premiums collected for this patient group. Now, and very recently following seriously high numbers of inpatient deaths amongst largely young woman detained for treatment of a mental illness but with co-occuring, there's 'new' money but no services ~ there's been a 400% increase in patient presentations creating 'new markets' in this area. It's very Silence of the Lambs as seen through Agent Starlings eye's! Misogyny, according to Mojca Golobic, is though a silent pandemic. The understanding within Gadamer's her[men]eutics breaks down, no? Is polyvagus collapse model and metaphor too? The schizotopia and Jo-Jo Rabbit of it all, perhaps?
You can watch our second conversation here: ruclips.net/video/1m-uiV6fqlQ/видео.html
I just found Leon today, and EVERYTHING he says is absolutely clicking with me. I haven’t found someone whose thinking I’ve been so instantly enraptured by in ages. For months now I’ve taken issue with “applied psychoanalysis,” and have tried to express why exactly I feel that way, but kept finding myself unable to rationally justify my position in the face of all the ontology-based discourse I’ve found myself so embroiled in. I even had a class on Jungian psychoanalysis in college this past year, and found many of the haphazardly-invoked “applied” aspects of it infuriating. I dedicated hours of time agonizing over, and writing about, why exactly I thought that was the case. Finally, finally, I’ve found someone explicitly articulating so many of the intuitions I’ve had about this topic and that have just barely started to crystallize for me. Thank you so much for this video, I’m barely a quarter of an hour in and already Brenner is absolutely rocking my world haha
This is so lovely to hear, my friend. Leon is indeed great! I will share this comment with him!
I first found Leon during Melbourne lockdown in 2020. It was a recorded lecture on Lacan, the Phallus and the Oedipus. I was instantly drawn to his calm and thoughtful delivery. This interview demonstrates how much he has developed his style so that he can help others enjoy and explore quite difficult subject matter. I thoroughly enjoyed the content of this interview. Thank you.
Seems like you discovered a gem in 2020. Leon’s one of a kind! And a genuinely good human being, too.
I think until one experiences psychoanalysis, it is difficult to put into words how that relationship can be transformative! Leon offers some great insight into the elements of transformation part of psychoanalytic treatments. Very nice interview, Leon is a great resource of transmitting psychoanalytic processes and theory.
This sure is true, and I agree about Leon’s perspicuity! Thanks for the kind comment, my friend 👍
Great episode. Very comprehensive. Also, I’ll be watching that film tonight!
Thank you, Sanay! I really appreciate that. The film is Stutz.
Leon Brenner is a very interesting person, I’m looking forward to reading his book. Call him up again on the podcast soon!
He is indeed amazing! Please let Leon know as I'm sure he'll appreciate it: twitter.com/leonbrennercom
And hoping to have him on again this year! Thanks for your comment!
Great guest, thank you for hosting him and letting him share.
(I don’t like Huberman much, at all. Full stop.)
Thank you, my friend. I really appreciate the comment, and Leon's a great guest indeed! Ah, haha... yeah... Huberman is a good scientist, but some of his more philosophical inferences on subjectivity are questionable.
I love when he talks about the "tactics" of psychoanalysis, avoiding advice/diagnoses/conclusions. i feel like this is a generally applicable idea to any use of language/thought. I remember Zizek saying something about the role of the analyst being to intervene at the moment of epiphany, when the analysand thinks they have gained some sort of insight. I enjoy doing this in conversations or with my own thoughts and i think out of personal experience can attest to the efficacy of not ever fully "trusting" your conclusions. Maybe some psychological "pathologies" are simply an effect of the person refusing to entertain some (traumatic?) line of thought, because they already reached a conclusion. Today, often i hear about "self doubts" and how they should be erased to reach a more confident and therefore functional state. But this functioning ironically seems very dysfunctional and prone to reckless and unreflected behavior. Stronger self-doubt, again just in my experience, seems to also produce a stronger sense of self rather than stifling it. Here the "conclusion" at fault seems to be about the nature of the self or rather the whole psyche which it is conflated with. It is regarded as something astonishingly rigid and immutable while (again: just my experience) it is extremely volatile, inconsistent, and in general very susceptible (though consciously resistant) to change. Well, those were some of my free associatons.
Anyway thanks, always happy to see Leon throw a free one out here for the unwashed masses.
I’m in deep agreement here! I think Lacanians like Leon adopt these views and modes of therapy from the fundamental principle in psychoanalysis that there’s no stable human being, which, while at first, seems morbid, can be rather emancipatory practically speaking. I also recall Žižek saying in one of his films that the only authentic emotion is anxiety. Thanks for the well-thought-out comment!
1:04:32 who’s the person you quoted there? I couldn’t hear her name properly.
Who said “if my autism is killed then I won’t exist as an individual”
Hey Sanay, I was referring to Temple Grandin 😊
Excellent. Do you listen to Why Theory, Rahul? May want to see if you can interview Todd McGowan or Ryan Engley.
Thank you! And sure, do listen to Why Theory! Excellent podcast. Planning to have them both, Todd in particular, next year 😀 Found his book on Hegel riveting!
timestamps for myself
38:38
48:05
Cheers, Marlie! What in particular did you find interesting about those timestamps?
I know that I know nothing... Except, for what we both agree that I know... Otherwise how does language work, I only speak and think in one language.
Elation and emotion can be shared without common understanding of anything but body and shared space. But that is far from being useful communication outside of "love" affairs and reproduction.
It seems like emotional intelligence can only be updated and modified by language and complex thinking as an adult with sufficient learning.
It seems to me that this "knowing" outside of the subjective "I" you refer to is something like what Lacan means by the Symbolic? The virtual order that allows intersubjectivity in the first place?
@@RahulSam I'm most intrigued by the evolution of thought and ideas... My assumption is that internal thought had to come first, but couldn't evolve in itself until language had already began. It's interesting to think about, from the pre-conditions point of view. But yes, symbolism makes it all work. When did language stop being posturing and start being communication?
@@RahulSam How does aphantasia and autism play their role in all of that? And oxytocin always intrigues me. Seeing the capacity in dogs and cats, when they don't do it for themselves but do it with humans....
Julia Kristeva shredded Lacan, no?
What do you mean shredded?
As in paper; see her work on abjection, say, in the Power of Horror; also Laura Doyle 'Bodies of Resistance' and Morag McSween 'Anorexic Bodies' all challenge the inherent oppressive patriarchal nature embedded within pheno(men)ology ~@autism: in the UK the high prevalence/incidence of adhd/autism amongst women wasn't fully recognised until 2008! The treatment of for, say, polyvagus collapse (burnout) viewed as emotional dysregulation and attributed to BPD or EUPD. The structural issues more about the rise in Equity backed ownership of primary care ie gp's and the higher patient premiums collected for this patient group. Now, and very recently following seriously high numbers of inpatient deaths amongst largely young woman detained for treatment of a mental illness but with co-occuring, there's 'new' money but no services ~ there's been a 400% increase in patient presentations creating 'new markets' in this area. It's very Silence of the Lambs as seen through Agent Starlings eye's! Misogyny, according to Mojca Golobic, is though a silent pandemic. The understanding within Gadamer's her[men]eutics breaks down, no? Is polyvagus collapse model and metaphor too? The schizotopia and Jo-Jo Rabbit of it all, perhaps?
Language? that's ionic since I can't understand a word your saying.
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