JR Aviation Guy Risks Death and Dismemberment for Safety!!
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Safety first! Learn why it’s important to respect the arc of the propeller.
I realize that the wings are off the plane, so there are no fuel tanks connected. You still MUST respect the propeller. You never know if there is a little bit of fuel in the carburetor. It only takes a tiny bit to make the engine want to run!
I also realize that Rotax motors require you to operate the prop on a daily basis. Be very careful doing so and don't put your head inside the arc of the propeller while it turns!
John, I’m happy to hear you enjoy the channel. I appreciate you bringing light to this scene in particular so we can all learn from it. I read a few comments that were posted on my video urging me to take more precautions when touching the prop. I completely agree with what was said weeks ago and I have already learned from it.
Even though the keys were on the dash, mags were grounded, no fuel was in the plane, and spark plug wires were disconnected, there is still NEVER a reason to have anything in the arch of the propeller. Even if you know for a fact a gun is not loaded, you never go near the barrel and treat it as if it’s live. This is how I practice gun safety, and this is how I will be practicing prop safety from here on out.
We’re lucky to have so many great aviation enthusiasts watching our videos to reinforce good practices and be quick to comment where we need to improve. We are learning fast and having a heck of a lot of fun while doing it. Thank you to all!
Thanks for the kind response to my video. Love your enthusiasm for aviation!
very cool of you to be so open to criticism and learn from it!
Super great response JR. Safety and care for action is *cool* because in aviation we are passionate in this way- glad to have you in the community, keep it positive, keep it safe.
Now that’s how you respond to criticism. Good for you hell yea.
Always treat the gun as if it were loaded.
Alec, you getting this?
exactely what i was thinking. this is pretty much just like gun safety
I was absolutely cringing seeing him turn the prop like that. I've hand-propped engines before, I know how they kick and start, that was just absolutely scary. He's betting his life on two tiny, thin little pieces of wire hopefully grounding the mags.
No one has ever won an argument with a propeller.
Very true! Wish I would have said that in the video.😀
Great video, and I hope he sees it and owns the error. More importantly, acknowledge the lesson learned.
That creeps me out!
Terrifying to watch
Yikes!
Great advice! Planes are dangerous and must be treated with respect
Got to respect the prop, lots of mx accidents. One explanation could be if all the plugs were out and doing a compression test on that one cylinder? Still got to be careful.
There are definitely times where you have to move the prop (like during compression checks). There are better techniques than leaning your head into the engine compartment while you do it! 😀 He just had the upper plugs out to add some "Mystery Oil", but it looked like he replaced them. Thanks for the input!
Great advice
I have been watching him for a little, yea this was scary to watch. I am surprised also that he doesn’t have a ticket yet, May be he is too busy with his cars.
I think I have to check my typos 🤣🤣🤣
Airplanes have to be treated different than cars. All to often pilots just jump in the plane without checking how much fuel is on board or doing what could be a life saving walk around.
Great video! Part of aviation safety is developing good habits. If the habit is developed, it minimizes the chance of something bad happening when distracted or temporarily absent-minded.
I had no idea about this...thank you
Pretty incredible example of "Darwinism." His form couldn't have been much worse. Hard to watch.
Great googly moogly ! I cringed while watching this ….ugh. Well said….
Back in the 80"s my dad's friend was hand pulling the prop on a very cold engine and the engine cranked and messed him up for life. I remember my dad saying they found the keys in the ignition, but can't remember if he said that the key was in the On position. Like you have stated, never prop a plane with body parts in the way,.
That is horrifying. Thanks for sharing. I’m surprised by the comments I’m getting saying I’m wrong about this.
Rotax is the only engine you can manage prop when all is shout down , but just when is not operated since the day before , you did a great video and a very helpful safety reminder, thank you Capt. !
“It’s just a flesh wound.” Yeah…I agree with you.
Turning the opposite rotation,is not fail proof it's always possible for an engine to start 180 degrees the opposite side, even if it's only one or two revolutions due to pre ignition,or atomised fuel left in the cylinder, the only way to be safe is to keep the ignition switch on , aircraft engines are wired up this way, I'll explain this but not today, but yes can fire up if the switched off
Hope the ignition switch was on when
Hand turning the propeller,that's the only why it will not kick the mags in, yes no mistake make sure the ignition switch is on not off, if the ignition switch is off the mag will kick up and the engine's engine will start, but it will not start if it's in the off position
Hey, John. Great to see you again. Appreciate the video and teaching instruction/advice. Thank you! Looking forward to your upcoming video re: new avionics upgrade in the coming weeks. Greetings to you, Maddie and the rest of the family. Stay warm! Looks like MN & IL will final get out of the deep freeze this week! Take care...JF
I’m ready for some warmth for sure. Great time of year to do projects on the plane. The avionics went a little overboard. The G-5 is just a backup instrument now!😀
Never point a(n unloaded) gun at where you do not intend to shoot.
Never put anything in the path of a stationary prop that you don't want to chop.
Too much cringe
Yes had that happen with key off fuel off
3:13 ahhhgg that is really scary to watch.
Thanks John, I tend to get a little casual about the chance of an ignition. Good safety tip. Starting our RV6A condition inspection on Monday May 20 and will be careful.
Hope it goes well. The 177 has been down for 3 months. We decided to refresh the interior. The RV-6A is going strong. New panel has been working out great.
I agree with everything you're saying, but I've spent time around big radials and pulling a prop through on a B-17 requires you be in a prop arc. I think mitigating risk around props is key. What he was doing was certainly not that. Mags were off..... that's like "the guns unloaded," firearm accidents. It's the wrong mindset.
There are definitely times when you have to move the prop. Radials (to check for hydraulic lock) and those silly Rotax motors. You have to be careful.
I hope someone commented on the young guys video about the horrible danger his placing himself in. And BTW... someone just recently was killed when they moved the prop... AND THE KEYS WERE OUT!
Your analysis and point is fair.
The title is very clickbaity and a bit accusatory.
Absolutely. There is a hint of truth in it though. If I can get a bunch of people to be careful around propellers...it's worth it to me.
Dude, does it hurt that much listening to a wiseman just for a minute?
If a man built it it can fail.
Murphy's law.
If anything can go wrong, it will at the most inappropriate time.
Like you I was advised to stay clear of props at all times, as I was a airport kid.
I have watched a few of their videos. He makes multiple comments about RUclips algorithms. He’s clearly aware of what it takes to monetize his channel. More importantly, the Clickbait, thumbnails and titles. And that is the first step towards something bad happening. We’ve now seen several social media contributors suffer from what appears to be Putting self promotion over self safety. I’m glad you called it out. As so many have mentioned, I hope they recognize it and own it, and learn from it.
Beware that rotating a prop backwards can damage your vacuum pump.
Great catch! I watched that video and didn't even notice. I always treat a propeller like a loaded gun and keep anyone around my aircraft away from the arc. Plenty of people have been hurt with the plugs removed doing compression checks...
I forgot the name of their channel until I saw this from you.
I just remembered his hammer shaped head. I hope that helps him in life.
Captain Quinn thank you for sharing this content
I saw a guy in a Mooney taxiing toward a runway with the tow bar still attached. Fortunately, I was able to stop him and no one got hurt. Passengers disembarking at night prior to engine shut down and walking into a prop happens as well.
You mention turning n the opposite direction, which makes sense on the face of it, but Rotax recommend going in the direction of rotation when gurgling the engine every morning. Yes we have procedures for it, keys on the dashboard visible from outside + checking mags off.
Their manual actually also has "Propeller shouldn't be turned in reverse of the normal direction of engine rotation." because going backwards cause issues, even damage.
Very good point. This was not a Rotax. When you are turning the prop on a Rotax, do it safely while always assuming the engine can fire.
Belated Happy Holidays and good to see you again look forward to 2024
Great to hear from you, Mike! Hope you had a great Holiday season.
That looks like Poppers plane!!
That looks like an Arrow to you??😜
Maybe he has the spark plugs removed?
Can’t get a “feel” about compression with plugs removed. With spark plug leads offf then it’s safe to spin the prop around with no chance of firing.
Hi ! More money than brains like most private pilots these days !! ✌️
Nope. Look at the compression he was fighting when turning the prop. The plugs were definitely installed, otherwise the prop would have been able to be spun freely.
I was there with them. all safety protocols were followed. I have worked on planes for years and at that time all mags were off, and checked prior to moving the prop.
Did you run the engine and do a "hot mag" check? Engines fire with the mags "off" sometimes. I realize that the fuel tanks weren't even connected. I get it. My point is that you should ALWAYS be careful around the prop. Never get in the habit of craning your neck and other body parts you'd like to keep in its path. Accidents happen too often. The guy always says "I didn't think it would fire!" It's like checking really carefully that a gun is empty, and then pointing it at your head. Not a great idea. The odds of something going wrong in this case were VERY low, but bad habits can cause problems down the road. Thanks for taking the time to comment your thoughts. I'm just an internet guy throwing out an opinion....no offense meant.
All safety protocols were NOT followed, otherwise he would never have been rotating the prop the way he was. Knowledgeable professionals treat their prop like a gun - you never point a gun at someone even if you "know" it's empty, you never put yourself in the prop arc even if you "know" the mags are cold. The only time I trust my engine and move through the prop arc is after I have removed the spark plugs, and know there is zero compression and no possible way for the engine to fire. Otherwise, I assume something has gone wrong since the last time I checked, and the engine is ready to kick over and fire.
This is never a good thing to do. I'm a retired A&P and would never turn the engine over using the prop without the ignition harness removed from the spark plugs, all the spark plugs removed, and verification that the grounding "P" leads are doing their job. I have experienced enough bad mag switches, damaged "P" leads, and bad magnetos over the years to never do this. Listening to the impulse coupler operating was cringeworthy!
Wrong Wrong Wrong! You know and I know that mechanical parts fail and how often have you been bewildered by something electrical that shouldn't' have been doing what it was doing and then replaced the part and everything was fine AND you never knew or could figure out what was wrong besides... you replaced the part and all is well now?
How many times????? Does compression cause heat? Yes! get the mixture just right (wrong) and you don't need a spark... rare yes but "it happens". I've seen it myself!
Good Luck to you, be careful!
Robert
It isn't just whether their safety was the issue... we're they s3tting a bad example for others?