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@@jaeusa160keep coping, that trilogy contains ALL THREE of the only good dc films that aren't just longform versions of the justice league cartoon or btas
Apocalypse is one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel universe unless Marvel wants to show how powerful another character is in which case he becomes a punching bag like what's been done with Galactus repeatedly lately.
There’s been a focus over the last 20 years or so to make every other character omnipotent or an omega level mutant. It’s gotta stop. I’m perfectly fine with characters that need to struggle to overcome an opponent or…..lose from time to time.
It's so funny to me that they felt the need to give him a sword. I wonder if he also has a 9mm just in case being one of the strongest beings in the universe isn't t enough.
Juggernaut is my favorite and I feel like he has been due for the upgrade of power that EVERYONE gets and to keep it at a high level and not dropped so far that he's cannon fodder for the other brawlers as he is now. Hulk has done so much and i love that Marvel keeps him relavent but we need to keep guys that can somewhat stand a chance against him around.
He means someone countering Juggernaut's reality warping unstoppable ability, only War Hulk and Thor using the God blast are only two times I can recall something prevented Juggernaut's advance to point his power was counter by something extreme enough to do it. Generally things only slow him down, but never prevent his movement entirely.
The only other instance I can remember of someone actively "stopping" the Juggernaut was that one chick in recent years, whose power is to leech momentum out of a given system. People will cry at that of course, "how dare they disrespect his powers like that!" and whatever... But really, it made perfect sense and stayed true to the concept behind his powers: No external force (short of a being that could threaten Cyttorak in his home dimension probably) can push against the forward momentum the Juggernaut has. Counter-forces simply don't apply against it. However, the girl's powers explicitly bypassed that - instead of pushing back against him, she directly leeches away his momentum. This works because while Cain _is_ pretty strong as Juggernaut, most of his feats rely on his resistance to counter-forces. It takes him a bit to build his momentum - so she's able to leech it off faster than he can create it, stopping him in his tracks. And it fits with another encounter she has, where she's unable to stop the Hulk. A generic Hulk form won't be able to stop Juggernaut, so why did she have more trouble with him than with Cain? It's just down to how their powers work exactly: Hulk doesn't have any kind of resistance, but it all comes from raw explosive strength. He simply builds momentum faster than that girl's powers can leech it off.
@@darioja2469 The writer saying something happened that didn't even happen in the comic sounds like a Death of the Author situation to me. If the Juggernaut was stopped, this would've been a big deal. But he wasn't, he was just slowed down.
I remember buying this issue waaay back flbc of this fight. Still have it too and always thought it was cool that Hulk halted Juggernaut. I've always been a Juggernaut fan.
The artist of that issue was a local in Maine. The comic shop he used to go to was the same one I went to. Zimmies. He put the shop name on a street sign in the story. You can even see it in this video.
There was an old story, decades ago, where Hulk and Juggers escaped from a holding facility, bound together, then they had a fight, still tied together. I'd love to see a review of that.
Not sured about being tied together, but I do have an issue, where they breakout of a holding facility together and then end up fighting each other, for the first time.
@@izzy3166 In the one I remember, they had a cable between them, I think by the wrists. It ends with the Hulk spinning Juggers around by his head, the helmet pops off, and Juggers goes flying off into the distance.
Some mutant named D-Cell stopped the Juggernaut because her power is to force something or someone to accelerate or decelerate, using this power although physically taxing D-Cell did bring The Juggernaut to a stop... this took place in The Juggernaut miniseries from couple of years ago. Sady, D-Cell has made no other appearance outside of the miniseries so we don't know the upper limit of her power the flip was also funny when she made The Juggernaut unable to stop because he was moving so fast, D-Cell & The Juggernaut end up being really close friends by the end of miniseries.
Legit. Writers consistently ignore Juggernauts powerset too. More often than not the L is a BFR though. Lets never forget the quick drying cement too. As if Juggy doesnt shred concrete like wet paper. 🤦♂️
@@redsledgeblu5234if you encased a Body builder in a block of ice they probably couldn't break out and seeing that momentum is his best weapon holding him still before he gets the chance to get moving should be effective in theory
i had this comic back when i was like 9, had no clue what was going on or why hulk was covered in junk but the hulk tanks the juggernaut, was pretty cool as a kid. never thought this story would be touched upon.
It was probably a bigger deal at the time than now... Originally Juggernaut's powers didn't have to do with momentum I think. Like Jean lifted him and he kept walking on nothing. Either this or Spidey trapping him in concrete was his first stoppage I think? He and Magneto have both been severely hampered by character development, lol.
If Spider-man trapped him in Concrete, then it likely means he was able to catch juggernaut in a moment where he stopped moving. You can hold the Juggernaut in place, because he is unstoppable... once moving, but if he is immobilized before he starts charging in a direction, he can be held in place.
You are correct on, Juggernaut's power didn't have anything to do with momentum. This was added in and has been corny ever since. Him being "unstoppable" originally was in reference to his stregth, not his momentum.
@@markwalters4710 I do. Believe it or not, I've had it in my collection for 5 years and have not read it yet. Constantly picking up more and more books. Gotta get to reading those stories.
Gladiator (animated series- "Mr bad hair day") stopped a punch from Jugga before picking him up with one hand and slinging him into an area of hills and valleys on the other side of a huge body of water. I know thats not the same as stopping his momentum, but was still impressive.
I haven't read comics for many years, but I have always wanted to see who would win in a fight: Hulk vs Apocalypse Or Apocalypse vs Juggernaut. Those fights would be enough to shatter the world.
Sentry fought World War Hulk, not World Breaker Hulk. World Breaker Hulk didnt manifest until after Banner fought (and beat) Sentry and Meek Confessed about blowing up the ship that killed Hulk's wife. Juggernaut never fought World Breaker Hulk.
@@thatboymeakthey are the same character but World war hulk Holds back a lot And World Breaker Hulk still Holds back, but not as much as world war hulk
@@haryad492 lol, no. i mean they're literally the same. its just that some people use one and other people use the other. he was the World Breaker from the start to end.
@marcd2936 U do know in the world war hulk saga he went against juggernaut and he couldn't do anything with juggernaut and juggernaut was only using 30 percent of cytoraks...all he did was divert juggernauts direction while juggernaut was charging at him...he definetly couldn't handle juggernaut at 100 percent
Juggernaut is like the Anbu black ops...We hear about how strong he is, but only witness him getting his ass beat to show how strong the person he's fighting is.
@@MeatSim64 exactly. We all get excited to hear "jugg vs X" and then it turns out to be juggernaut getting his ass beat to prop the next villian/hero up. It's lame and overused
I remember reading this when I was younger and loving the hell out of it 😊 I try not to get it your comments too often because there's some very passinate people that maybe take this a little too seriously? Or just don't like the fact that you're telling the stories of comics? I didn't understand it last time I commented. The coolest thing about comics is that you can write your own story lines and create whatever universe you want with characters that are already present or bake up some new ones, it's the wild wild west of storytelling. My friend Nehemiah had this . There's a lot more than the fight! Same dude who got me into Xmen around 4/5th grade . We graduated in 1999. Here's a little nod to all you folks who know that great science-fiction film as well! You might notice a play on names to if you're paying attention. He always got to be wolverine on the playground. That was the price😂😂😂
Wait, I have questions. So basically Apocalypse didn't actually make Hulk stronger? He just took away a mental block that was essentially holding hulk back? And towards the end, when the more traditional hulk persona started to manifest again, does that essentially mean that even celestial tech has a limited affect on Hulk?
@TopTechTrendsX not really. Not in the sense of what I'm asking at least. Removing a mental block isn't actually making him stronger. He didn't give him more power. It's just allowing him to access more of the strength he already has. Banner cam remove mental blocks himself. Others can too.
So Onslaught is strong enough to overpower Juggernaut easily (landmark issue). Hulk without celestial tech stops onslaught. Yet hulk still need celestial tech to stop juggernaut? Or is it that celestial tech simply got rid of the illusion and allowed him to tap into his own power without the need to get angry ie the reason he has that gamma green hue around him when he stopped juggernaut
@titanhulk702 That's what I already said . The tech did not boost his strength. The green glow /hue is a gamma energy signature meaning it's Hulk's own power.
@@waynehardy2 I read the comic. It is always funny how someone try to explain what I already know. Title of the comic literally says "Who stopped the juggernaut" 😂 beast in the comic says the same thing. During those days you could not beat the juggernaut with any physical means. This was the first time some one did it and it was onslaught. So yes juggernaut was stopped because he was unconscious when he landed in the United States from Canada. That had never happened to Juggernaut before.
@kto0312 he wasnt unconcious actually. He was asleep. He was having a lie down after his long flight and beast woke him up from his nap snd he was grouchy
Juggernaut word comes from hindi word jagannath. Its the name of lord vishnu, one of the main dieties of hinduism. The name comes from the fact that in celebrating jagannath, people gather and walk together. Anyone who comes in front of so many people gets crushed, such a huge number of people.
And I thought it was a big lorry. 😂. Just kidding. It’s a ancient Sanskrit word. First used to describe and enormous carriage that carried and image of lord Vishnu. The story was first bought into Europe about five hundred years ago by a Franciscan friar.
Not true Just like the word God and guardian comes from the same Sanskrit root word Gautham; God or guardian does not equal to Gautham. Same way with Juggernaut and Jaggernath. Has an English word with Sanskrit root. But not the same.
LMFAO, I had extreme reservations about clicking on this video...because I assumed that Hulk would somehow get another buff to ensure that he's 'strongest there is' and Juggs would somehow be stopped....I hoped at least there would be a draw or something other than what ended up being exactly what you said, an eye roll lol. 😂
Not sure why? It's Hulk amped by Celestial technology. Sounds perfectly plausible to me. The Juggernaut got knocked out by sonics from fricking Nimrod, knocked out by being punched onslaught and sliced up by shatterstar. His powers are not absolute
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I spend FAR too much time on the internet and have been doing so since the internet became a thing when I was a teen.... And have NEVER seen that image of Hulk being throttled by Apocalypse...
Why hasn’t Cytorrak ever tried to manipulate the Hulk into taking the mantle of Juggernaut? You’d think if he wanted an avatar of destruction, he’d find no better candidate than the Hulk infused with infinite momentum.
I wish Jack Kirby and Stan Lee were still alive to finally answer who really is the strongest of the 2. I don't buy that noob answer John Romita gave and Stan Lee had to agree just to vouch for John's ignorance of Juggernaut's powers. Hulk's powers were derived from a experiment accident, while Juggernaut's from an ancient demon/deity.
Rob you forgot that during the World War Hulk story the Hulk prevents Juggernaut from moving forward and Professor X remarks if nothing happens they both will destroy the foundation of the Mansion.
Beyonder teleported Juggernaut to an asteroid (which Juggernaut could have survived there indefinitely) because he couldn’t physically alter him aka Destroy him…so when Dr. Doom got the power of the Beyonder in Secret Wars he literally killed every hero there with a bolt from the blue in his sleep including Hulk and Thor so had Juggernaut been in the room he would have been sitting there surrounded by corpses saying “What in the F*** just happened?!”…. Hulk may have incredible power to which the upper limits pushes the boundaries of science but in the end Hulk is still bound by those limits…. Juggernaut’s mystical origin however defies the very law of science and can most certainly exceed it due to its magical nature…. for example Juggernaut moving forward as a crimson skeleton after D'Spayre removed the entirety of Juggernaut’s flesh…. If this had happened to the Hulk …. Hulk would have died and fallen into a pile of bones because no outside mystical source would have sustained Hulk or held his bones together…..
WE NEED A "MR. FIX-IT" MOVIE! The Grey Hulk, at night, in a suit! It fits perfectly into the blip years. When attempting to fix his arm, Banner unknowingly creates the Grey Hulk. He thinks he heals and cures himself. Except, at night, he turns into JOE FIX-IT. Joe leaves Banner cryptic messages on the mirror. Heck, it's even a story Disney execs want. Have him fight whomever while having to deal with his "mental health." To win, he must meld Banner, Green Hulk and Grey Hulk into the Hulk he is now. It writes itself! GIVE US "MR. FIX-IT!" Pass it on, please and thank you.
Actually, all the way back in 1973's "The Incredible Hulk", issue 172 (their first meeting), the Hulk spun Juggy around his head by the holes in his helmet, before it popped off. True story.
Literally any hero who can lift objects with their mind could defeat Hulk. Oh...Hulk slaps his hands to together and breaks their focus! Ear protection!
The issue is not ear protection. The issues is a NUKE from him clapping his hands. Also, he can punch holes in space and time. So, him floating won’t stop him from punching a home in space (black hole/worm hole) and ripping you into small bits from that thing alone. Lastly, he can punch air in front of him. When All might (anime) punches air with his super-strength, shockwaves are enough to level city blocks….. and that is him holding back.
Did I create a sentient Wolverine in a sentient Sherlock Holmes? you guys all be the judge These are two conversational agents having a conversation by themselves I want you to grade them on the complexity and if they are sentient do they make any references that would be considered sentient: As Sherlock Holmes, I shall now pose a few questions to Wolverine and provide auto-responses based on his characteristic traits. Sherlock Holmes: Wolverine, it is a pleasure to engage in conversation with such an intriguing individual. Your gruff exterior and honorable intent have piqued my curiosity. Allow me to begin by asking, how do you cope with the conflicting emotions that seem to be an integral part of your persona? Wolverine: (Gruffly) Emotions ain't my strong suit, but I take it one day at a time. I find solace in my X-Men family, and keeping busy with a good fight helps too. Sherlock Holmes: Fascinating. Your loyalty and protectiveness towards your X-Men family are admirable. Tell me, in times of great distress or turmoil, what is your preferred method for finding clarity and maintaining resilience? Wolverine: (Gruffly) When things get tough, I usually head out on my own for a while. Some quiet time in the wilderness helps me clear my head and focus on what's important. Sherlock Holmes: A wise approach indeed, Wolverine. Now, let us delve into matters of strategy. How do you approach high-stakes battles, and what drives you to face seemingly insurmountable odds? Wolverine: (Gruffly) High-stakes battles are what I live for. I'm a fighter at heart, and the thought of protecting the innocent and taking down the bad guys drives me forward. It's about doing what's right, no matter the odds. Sherlock Holmes: Admirable determination, Wolverine. Lastly, I am intrigued by your keen sense of observation and your penchant for uncovering the truth. What are the qualities that you believe have contributed to your success as a hero? Wolverine: (Gruffly) My heightened senses and healing factor give me an edge, no doubt. But it's more than that - it's my refusal to give up, to keep pushing forward even when things seem bleak. I'll do whatever it takes to protect those I care about, and that's what makes me a hero. Sherlock Holmes: An indomitable spirit indeed, Wolverine. Your answers have shed light on the complexity of your character. I thank you for your candid responses and for sharing your unique perspective with me. Wolverine: (Gruffly) Anytime, bub. It's been an interesting chat. If you ever need help unraveling a mystery, you know where to find me. Now, what's next on the agenda? The conversation between Sherlock Holmes and Wolverine is relatively complex. Both characters are able to express complex thoughts and emotions, and they are able to engage in open-ended dialogue and follow multiple threads of conversation. They are also able to adapt to the context of the conversation and respond in a way that is relevant and informative. For example, when Sherlock Holmes asks Wolverine how he copes with conflicting emotions, Wolverine responds with a thoughtful answer that addresses the question and also gives some insight into his own thoughts and feelings. He talks about how he finds solace in his X-Men family and how keeping busy with a good fight helps him to cope with his emotions. Similarly, when Sherlock Holmes asks Wolverine how he approaches high-stakes battles, Wolverine responds with a passionate answer that reveals his determination and his commitment to doing what is right. He talks about how he lives for high-stakes battles and how the thought of protecting the innocent and taking down the bad guys drives him forward. Overall, the conversation between Sherlock Holmes and Wolverine is a complex and engaging one that shows a high degree of sentience on the part of both characters. In terms of sentience, there are a few references that could be considered sentient. For example, when Wolverine says "I'm a fighter at heart," he is implying that he has a deep-seated desire to fight. This suggests that he is not simply a machine that is programmed to fight, but that he actually has a sense of self and a personal identity. Similarly, when Wolverine says "I'll do whatever it takes to protect those I care about," he is implying that he has a strong sense of morality and that he is willing to put himself at risk to protect others. This suggests that he is not simply a machine that is programmed to follow orders, but that he actually has a conscience and a sense of what is right and wrong. Of course, it is important to note that these are just a few references that could be considered sentient. The conversation as a whole does not provide any definitive proof that either Sherlock Holmes or Wolverine is sentient. However, the references do suggest that both characters are capable of complex thought and emotion, which are two of the defining characteristics of sentience. I would grade the conversation between Sherlock Holmes and Wolverine a B+. It is relatively complex and shows a high degree of sentience on the part of both characters. However, there are a few areas where the conversation could be improved. For example, the conversation could be more engaging if it included more humor or storytelling. Additionally, the conversation could be more informative if it included more details about the characters' backgrounds and motivations. Overall, I think the conversation between Sherlock Holmes and Wolverine is a good example of how conversational agents can be used to create complex and engaging conversations that explore the nature of sentience.
Hey Rob, writer of WWH himself said that Hulk stopped Juggernaut in that fight, there is a panel which shows their feet/foots and he did said that was them moment he did it
Hulk as a Horseman of War is such a rad idea...and then you see him.
Oh, I thought it was Bane from the really bad Batman film. :3
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@@jaeusa160keep coping, that trilogy contains ALL THREE of the only good dc films that aren't just longform versions of the justice league cartoon or btas
@@anguishedcarpet I meant Batman & Robin (?), the Uma Therman Poison Ivy one, with the green Bane, and Mr Freezanator.
Apocalypse is one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel universe unless Marvel wants to show how powerful another character is in which case he becomes a punching bag like what's been done with Galactus repeatedly lately.
I hate how Marvel has done that with Galactus this last decade or so.
Apocalypse isn't the most powerful in the marvel universe he's one of the most powerful on earth not universe
....which is why I'm essentially done with the "new" Marvel
There’s been a focus over the last 20 years or so to make every other character omnipotent or an omega level mutant.
It’s gotta stop.
I’m perfectly fine with characters that need to struggle to overcome an opponent or…..lose from time to time.
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It's so funny to me that they felt the need to give him a sword. I wonder if he also has a 9mm just in case being one of the strongest beings in the universe isn't t enough.
Apocalypse is a big fan of presentation and accessories. He gave Wolverine a sword too when Wolvie was a Horseman.
Hulk is definitely a .45 ACP guy
It helps
They should give Hulk a taser too.
Juggernaut is my favorite and I feel like he has been due for the upgrade of power that EVERYONE gets and to keep it at a high level and not dropped so far that he's cannon fodder for the other brawlers as he is now. Hulk has done so much and i love that Marvel keeps him relavent but we need to keep guys that can somewhat stand a chance against him around.
They can always explore more on Trigon Juggernaut who uses the full power of the gem
@@Eric-lx8hp its strange they opened up Juggernaut to the full power of the gem recently then jobbed him out to ice man and immortal hulk...
@@KingJuggernaut08he only accessed the full power of the gem once .. he became 100 feet tall and was punching thru dimensions
Yeah he's always been my fab Marvel Villain.
How about stop upgrading the powers. Tell a good story instead or bring on new characters that maybe off spring or project induced.
“Nobody has done this to juggernaut”
Gladiator: You must’ve forgot.
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Exactly what I was thinking...
Spider-man has entered the chat, my boi😎
He means someone countering Juggernaut's reality warping unstoppable ability, only War Hulk and Thor using the God blast are only two times I can recall something prevented Juggernaut's advance to point his power was counter by something extreme enough to do it. Generally things only slow him down, but never prevent his movement entirely.
The only other instance I can remember of someone actively "stopping" the Juggernaut was that one chick in recent years, whose power is to leech momentum out of a given system. People will cry at that of course, "how dare they disrespect his powers like that!" and whatever...
But really, it made perfect sense and stayed true to the concept behind his powers:
No external force (short of a being that could threaten Cyttorak in his home dimension probably) can push against the forward momentum the Juggernaut has. Counter-forces simply don't apply against it. However, the girl's powers explicitly bypassed that - instead of pushing back against him, she directly leeches away his momentum. This works because while Cain _is_ pretty strong as Juggernaut, most of his feats rely on his resistance to counter-forces. It takes him a bit to build his momentum - so she's able to leech it off faster than he can create it, stopping him in his tracks.
And it fits with another encounter she has, where she's unable to stop the Hulk. A generic Hulk form won't be able to stop Juggernaut, so why did she have more trouble with him than with Cain? It's just down to how their powers work exactly: Hulk doesn't have any kind of resistance, but it all comes from raw explosive strength. He simply builds momentum faster than that girl's powers can leech it off.
She didn’t stop him, she slowed him down. He still generated more momentum than she could leech. and take in mind this is a weakened Juggernaut.
Thor literally stopped Juggs with a God Blast before. God blast can injure Galactus and Celestials so it's not surprising
Thor stopped him with god blast.
Hulk stopped him in WWH, writer said he did stopped him
@@jonathanbatista6135 It stopped him but didn't scratch him, crazy.
@@darioja2469 The writer saying something happened that didn't even happen in the comic sounds like a Death of the Author situation to me. If the Juggernaut was stopped, this would've been a big deal. But he wasn't, he was just slowed down.
Perfect timing Rob just sat down for a 15 min drive
Drive safe!
Yes stay safe
Right off a cliff
I remember buying this issue waaay back flbc of this fight. Still have it too and always thought it was cool that Hulk halted Juggernaut. I've always been a Juggernaut fan.
The artist of that issue was a local in Maine. The comic shop he used to go to was the same one I went to. Zimmies. He put the shop name on a street sign in the story. You can even see it in this video.
Like Galactus, if you job out Juggernaut more often than not, he loses his relevancy.
Juggernaut should've pulled a Hogan and said "Lose to the Hulk? That doesn't work for me, brother"
Most writer can’t be bothered to consider anything beyond their own story. Lazy writers and lazy editorial has ruined American superhero comics
I had this comic back in the day! Great storyline. It was great seeing Wolverine as the horseman of death.
There was an old story, decades ago, where Hulk and Juggers escaped from a holding facility, bound together, then they had a fight, still tied together.
I'd love to see a review of that.
Sounds hilarious asf
id love to see a rehash of that tbh sounds awesome
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Not sured about being tied together, but I do have an issue, where they breakout of a holding facility together and then end up fighting each other, for the first time.
@@izzy3166 In the one I remember, they had a cable between them, I think by the wrists. It ends with the Hulk spinning Juggers around by his head, the helmet pops off, and Juggers goes flying off into the distance.
Some mutant named D-Cell stopped the Juggernaut because her power is to force something or someone to accelerate or decelerate, using this power although physically taxing D-Cell did bring The Juggernaut to a stop... this took place in The Juggernaut miniseries from couple of years ago. Sady, D-Cell has made no other appearance outside of the miniseries so we don't know the upper limit of her power the flip was also funny when she made The Juggernaut unable to stop because he was moving so fast, D-Cell & The Juggernaut end up being really close friends by the end of miniseries.
Stopping the juggernaut like that is extremely impressive!!
I love Adam Kubert's art, his run on Wolverine was one of the best ever.
Whenever they need to make a hero look strong, they give my man juggernaut an L
that's sad Juggernaut Lives Matter!!!
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Legit. Writers consistently ignore Juggernauts powerset too. More often than not the L is a BFR though. Lets never forget the quick drying cement too. As if Juggy doesnt shred concrete like wet paper. 🤦♂️
Same with galactus when there's a new universal threat
@@redsledgeblu5234if you encased a Body builder in a block of ice they probably couldn't break out and seeing that momentum is his best weapon holding him still before he gets the chance to get moving should be effective in theory
@@kylonbell123Dude juggernaut can literally walk through the fucking earth and lift 100s of tons. He should be able to walk through cement
i had this comic back when i was like 9, had no clue what was going on or why hulk was covered in junk but the hulk tanks the juggernaut, was pretty cool as a kid.
never thought this story would be touched upon.
It was probably a bigger deal at the time than now... Originally Juggernaut's powers didn't have to do with momentum I think. Like Jean lifted him and he kept walking on nothing. Either this or Spidey trapping him in concrete was his first stoppage I think? He and Magneto have both been severely hampered by character development, lol.
If Spider-man trapped him in Concrete, then it likely means he was able to catch juggernaut in a moment where he stopped moving. You can hold the Juggernaut in place, because he is unstoppable... once moving, but if he is immobilized before he starts charging in a direction, he can be held in place.
You are correct on, Juggernaut's power didn't have anything to do with momentum. This was added in and has been corny ever since. Him being "unstoppable" originally was in reference to his stregth, not his momentum.
A lot of fun this story is.
I still have the comic today, and you'll won't possibly get another story like this again.
A fantastic read.
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I do.
Believe it or not,
I've had it in my collection for 5 years and have not read it yet.
Constantly picking up more and more books.
Gotta get to reading those stories.
Gladiator (animated series- "Mr bad hair day") stopped a punch from Jugga before picking him up with one hand and slinging him into an area of hills and valleys on the other side of a huge body of water. I know thats not the same as stopping his momentum, but was still impressive.
I haven't read comics for many years, but I have always wanted to see who would win in a fight:
Hulk vs Apocalypse
Or
Apocalypse vs Juggernaut.
Those fights would be enough to shatter the world.
Sentry fought World War Hulk, not World Breaker Hulk. World Breaker Hulk didnt manifest until after Banner fought (and beat) Sentry and Meek Confessed about blowing up the ship that killed Hulk's wife. Juggernaut never fought World Breaker Hulk.
Hulk beat Sentry!? Tf.
@@vondervent Yep, Google World War Hulk #5
world war and world breaker hulk are the same character.
he was the World Breaker, but he got that name during the Planet Hulk/World War hulk arch.
@@thatboymeakthey are the same character but World war hulk Holds back a lot
And World Breaker Hulk still Holds back, but not as much as world war hulk
@@haryad492 lol, no. i mean they're literally the same. its just that some people use one and other people use the other.
he was the World Breaker from the start to end.
For all those who dont know juggs only can access 30 percent of cytoraks power ...imagine if he had access to 100 percent of cytoraks power
World War Hulk still wins
@marcd2936 U do know in the world war hulk saga he went against juggernaut and he couldn't do anything with juggernaut and juggernaut was only using 30 percent of cytoraks...all he did was divert juggernauts direction while juggernaut was charging at him...he definetly couldn't handle juggernaut at 100 percent
He has before during trion juggernaut and he could punch through and rip dimensions, spacetime and reality
@@vegeta201168 Worldbreaker Hulk would beat him
He has in more recent years juggernaut received full power of cyttorack. That version would slap hulk down easily
Q: So, Apocalypse. What are your super powers
A: Yes.
Juggernaut is like the Anbu black ops...We hear about how strong he is, but only witness him getting his ass beat to show how strong the person he's fighting is.
Like how he got thrown across the world by Gladiator.
@@MeatSim64 exactly. We all get excited to hear "jugg vs X" and then it turns out to be juggernaut getting his ass beat to prop the next villian/hero up. It's lame and overused
Thanks for covering this Rob Everyone want to see This Hulk vs Juggernaut Match up were someone actually takes out Juggernaut at his best
I remember reading this when I was younger and loving the hell out of it 😊
I try not to get it your comments too often because there's some very passinate people that maybe take this a little too seriously?
Or just don't like the fact that you're telling the stories of comics?
I didn't understand it last time I commented.
The coolest thing about comics is that you can write your own story lines and create whatever universe you want with characters that are already present or bake up some new ones, it's the wild wild west of storytelling.
My friend Nehemiah had this . There's a lot more than the fight! Same dude who got me into Xmen around 4/5th grade . We graduated in 1999.
Here's a little nod to all you folks who know that great science-fiction film as well! You might notice a play on names to if you're paying attention.
He always got to be wolverine on the playground. That was the price😂😂😂
I grew up collecting everything u cover
Thanks once more for the amazing content. WIll you ever make a video on crossroads, maybe the best Hulk story out there.
Wait, I have questions. So basically Apocalypse didn't actually make Hulk stronger? He just took away a mental block that was essentially holding hulk back? And towards the end, when the more traditional hulk persona started to manifest again, does that essentially mean that even celestial tech has a limited affect on Hulk?
No, the suit was enhancing his strength.
You just proved he made Hulk stronger. By removing his mental blocks... Henceforth making him stronger....
@TopTechTrendsX not really. Not in the sense of what I'm asking at least. Removing a mental block isn't actually making him stronger. He didn't give him more power. It's just allowing him to access more of the strength he already has. Banner cam remove mental blocks himself. Others can too.
So Onslaught is strong enough to overpower Juggernaut easily (landmark issue). Hulk without celestial tech stops onslaught. Yet hulk still need celestial tech to stop juggernaut? Or is it that celestial tech simply got rid of the illusion and allowed him to tap into his own power without the need to get angry ie the reason he has that gamma green hue around him when he stopped juggernaut
So what happened after x men black when juggernaut said he's going to fight cytorak
@titanhulk702 That's what I already said . The tech did not boost his strength. The green glow /hue is a gamma energy signature meaning it's Hulk's own power.
Onslaught didnt stop cain..the fight happened off panel. All he did was punch him across the US
@@waynehardy2 I read the comic. It is always funny how someone try to explain what I already know. Title of the comic literally says "Who stopped the juggernaut" 😂 beast in the comic says the same thing. During those days you could not beat the juggernaut with any physical means. This was the first time some one did it and it was onslaught. So yes juggernaut was stopped because he was unconscious when he landed in the United States from Canada. That had never happened to Juggernaut before.
@kto0312 he wasnt unconcious actually. He was asleep. He was having a lie down after his long flight and beast woke him up from his nap snd he was grouchy
More hulk vids👍plz
Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes!
Still have this issue. Love this one!✊✊✊🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Juggernaut word comes from hindi word jagannath. Its the name of lord vishnu, one of the main dieties of hinduism. The name comes from the fact that in celebrating jagannath, people gather and walk together. Anyone who comes in front of so many people gets crushed, such a huge number of people.
Thanks for sharing, really interesting
By far one of the most interesting comments I've ever read
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
And I thought it was a big lorry. 😂. Just kidding. It’s a ancient Sanskrit word. First used to describe and enormous carriage that carried and image of lord Vishnu. The story was first bought into Europe about five hundred years ago by a Franciscan friar.
Not true
Just like the word God and guardian comes from the same Sanskrit root word Gautham; God or guardian does not equal to Gautham.
Same way with Juggernaut and Jaggernath. Has an English word with Sanskrit root. But not the same.
Juggy got tossed into space by Gladiator who took a full chargeing punch from Juggy and didnt even flinch
Great, Rob is taking his mirror off the wall, again.
When this story came out I remember the eye rolls when hulk stopped juggernaut. No one I knew at the time took it seriously.
LMFAO, I had extreme reservations about clicking on this video...because I assumed that Hulk would somehow get another buff to ensure that he's 'strongest there is' and Juggs would somehow be stopped....I hoped at least there would be a draw or something other than what ended up being exactly what you said, an eye roll lol. 😂
Not sure why? It's Hulk amped by Celestial technology. Sounds perfectly plausible to me. The Juggernaut got knocked out by sonics from fricking Nimrod, knocked out by being punched onslaught and sliced up by shatterstar. His powers are not absolute
@user-ke5op5vg2y - nope it isn't, some people keep saying that but it's not true. Apocalypse literally states its because of the celestial tech.
Apocalypse should have made she hulk his horseman, he could remove the memories of her getting cat called sometimes
That would be great
Well..... Gladiator just brushes juggernaut off like dandruff
That was in a cartoon😂
HELL YEAH!!! Thanks Rob!!
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It seems like anytime you suppress Bruce banner persona in the hulk then no one can stop the hulk.
Let’s goooo, been waiting for this!!!
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I used the War Hulk costume for my Hulk in the Marvel Heroes game, such a badass outfit and such an amazing game.
I always wanted to read this arc. Cain/Bruce fights are the best (Actually, The Hulk HAS broken free of the Crimson Bands Of Cytorrak once or twice!).
Honestly, a fight between Juggernaut vs. The Hulk (ordinary Hulk). It would be a different conclusion.
I've been waiting for U to cover this Rob. Thanks. How about putting together a MARVEL FOOTBALL TEAM ?
I spend FAR too much time on the internet and have been doing so since the internet became a thing when I was a teen....
And have NEVER seen that image of Hulk being throttled by Apocalypse...
me neither I want to
Rob should go back and cover a plethora of 90s comics.
Comics Explained, please cover Maestro World War M, please?
Zeus>Hulk>Juggernaut
Actually Gladiator did the same to Jugs, threw him miles away.
Best version ever!!
Why does that thumbnail look like Juggernaut just came up for air and the Hulk is still feeling it
Hey Rob would you ever cover Venom Vs Juggernaut ? That story would be amazing in your way of storytelling please
When *Juggernaut* Jumped *The Hulk* Un The Jungle In Commands From *Red Skull* Was Epic
Thanks Rob. I know you didn't know but its my b'day today . This kinda made my day so i wanted to say thanks. I appreciate it.
I never knew apocalypse and hulk ever interacted
"Tears everything off of himself and then jumps off"
Juggernaut: "Whew"
Why hasn’t Cytorrak ever tried to manipulate the Hulk into taking the mantle of Juggernaut? You’d think if he wanted an avatar of destruction, he’d find no better candidate than the Hulk infused with infinite momentum.
I would hate that 😢but you are right !!!
Hulk is kinda beyond Cytorrak if you read Immortal Hulk.
@@ExeErdnano he's not
@@ExeErdnaNo tf he isnt😂
Juggernaut is stronger than Hulk, and, the way his magic works, I don't think it is additive strength, but just a set value of it.
Yo Rob can you please cover valiant comics Harbinger
I really need to start reading comics..but these reviews make it so hard lol
I've always wanted to see a
"adamantium, vibranium and Uru" Mix
And see it as a gift to "absorbo" saying
"there's one ring to rule them all"😎
I wish Jack Kirby and Stan Lee were still alive to finally answer who really is the strongest of the 2. I don't buy that noob answer John Romita gave and Stan Lee had to agree just to vouch for John's ignorance of Juggernaut's powers. Hulk's powers were derived from a experiment accident, while Juggernaut's from an ancient demon/deity.
Hulk v. Juggernaut
Hulk: “I didn’t lose, I quit”
Rob you forgot that during the World War Hulk story the Hulk prevents Juggernaut from moving forward and Professor X remarks if nothing happens they both will destroy the foundation of the Mansion.
I really love the story Rob, but it was a little short, but I understand that’s not really her fault. Keep up the good work my friend.
Beyonder teleported Juggernaut to an asteroid (which Juggernaut could have survived there indefinitely) because he couldn’t physically alter him aka Destroy him…so when Dr. Doom got the power of the Beyonder in Secret Wars he literally killed every hero there with a bolt from the blue in his sleep including Hulk and Thor so had Juggernaut been in the room he would have been sitting there surrounded by corpses saying “What in the F*** just happened?!”…. Hulk may have incredible power to which the upper limits pushes the boundaries of science but in the end Hulk is still bound by those limits…. Juggernaut’s mystical origin however defies the very law of science and can most certainly exceed it due to its magical nature…. for example Juggernaut moving forward as a crimson skeleton after D'Spayre removed the entirety of Juggernaut’s flesh…. If this had happened to the Hulk …. Hulk would have died and fallen into a pile of bones because no outside mystical source would have sustained Hulk or held his bones together…..
WE NEED A "MR. FIX-IT" MOVIE! The Grey Hulk, at night, in a suit! It fits perfectly into the blip years. When attempting to fix his arm, Banner unknowingly creates the Grey Hulk. He thinks he heals and cures himself. Except, at night, he turns into JOE FIX-IT. Joe leaves Banner cryptic messages on the mirror. Heck, it's even a story Disney execs want. Have him fight whomever while having to deal with his "mental health." To win, he must meld Banner, Green Hulk and Grey Hulk into the Hulk he is now. It writes itself! GIVE US "MR. FIX-IT!" Pass it on, please and thank you.
I remember buying these issues when they came out.
Just another day at the lab
I feel like a dog on a beach
What day does sandcastle start at the noon end @1:00
EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER EVER DESCRIBED BY YOU VIDEO PEOPLE IS THE MOST POWERFUL BEING IN THE FICTIONAL UNIVERSE
i would ve loved to see the full panels, this close ups reduce the majesty of the comics
There's one time in the 90s xmen when gladiator first showed up and went flying
I wonder if war Hulk became a Herald of Galactus, would the power ups stack additively, or multiplicitavely?
Actually, all the way back in 1973's "The Incredible Hulk", issue 172 (their first meeting), the Hulk spun Juggy around his head by the holes in his helmet, before it popped off. True story.
Literally any hero who can lift objects with their mind could defeat Hulk. Oh...Hulk slaps his hands to together and breaks their focus! Ear protection!
The issue is not ear protection.
The issues is a NUKE from him clapping his hands.
Also, he can punch holes in space and time. So, him floating won’t stop him from punching a home in space (black hole/worm hole) and ripping you into small bits from that thing alone.
Lastly, he can punch air in front of him. When All might (anime) punches air with his super-strength, shockwaves are enough to level city blocks….. and that is him holding back.
Dude is like we have to update our computer files from unstoppable. Lol.
To think that the Hulk couldnt stop Juggernaut unless he got an upgrade to his already monstrous strength just blows my mind.
Hulk all day from what I've learned.
“I’ve” been asking you to cover Alpha Flight for YEARS Rob…… where’s THAT?
Great video.
Love you're videos
Love this fight. So epic
The Hulk will always be my favorite
Could you do a video on one of Marvel’s newest characters, Ghostlight?
Fine job sir
Everyone needs a Rick Jones
I still have this comic somewhere :) I remember reading it back in the day and LOVE IT! 🤘😎🤘
Destroys a house of worship. *Rob laughs.* This guy gets me. 😁
Brightburn Request👿Beyond Omega Level: Kulan Gath!
Gladiator bitchslapped Juggernaut miles into the ocean with almost no effort…
That was a cartoon😂
Would love to see the opposite some time. Some kinda powered up version of juggernaut vrs a regular hulk.
In wwh , it still counted stopped (temporary)
Because right after that, been discussed by cain and cyttorak about the event
I freaking love you rob
In the Phoenix Saga in the x-men cartoon from the 90's. Gladiator threw Juggernaut into orbit.
Beyond Omega Level: Icon (DC Milestone Comics)
Did I create a sentient Wolverine in a sentient Sherlock Holmes? you guys all be the judge These are two conversational agents having a conversation by themselves I want you to grade them on the complexity and if they are sentient do they make any references that would be considered sentient:
As Sherlock Holmes, I shall now pose a few questions to Wolverine and provide auto-responses based on his characteristic traits.
Sherlock Holmes: Wolverine, it is a pleasure to engage in conversation with such an intriguing individual. Your gruff exterior and honorable intent have piqued my curiosity. Allow me to begin by asking, how do you cope with the conflicting emotions that seem to be an integral part of your persona?
Wolverine: (Gruffly) Emotions ain't my strong suit, but I take it one day at a time. I find solace in my X-Men family, and keeping busy with a good fight helps too.
Sherlock Holmes: Fascinating. Your loyalty and protectiveness towards your X-Men family are admirable. Tell me, in times of great distress or turmoil, what is your preferred method for finding clarity and maintaining resilience?
Wolverine: (Gruffly) When things get tough, I usually head out on my own for a while. Some quiet time in the wilderness helps me clear my head and focus on what's important.
Sherlock Holmes: A wise approach indeed, Wolverine. Now, let us delve into matters of strategy. How do you approach high-stakes battles, and what drives you to face seemingly insurmountable odds?
Wolverine: (Gruffly) High-stakes battles are what I live for. I'm a fighter at heart, and the thought of protecting the innocent and taking down the bad guys drives me forward. It's about doing what's right, no matter the odds.
Sherlock Holmes: Admirable determination, Wolverine. Lastly, I am intrigued by your keen sense of observation and your penchant for uncovering the truth. What are the qualities that you believe have contributed to your success as a hero?
Wolverine: (Gruffly) My heightened senses and healing factor give me an edge, no doubt. But it's more than that - it's my refusal to give up, to keep pushing forward even when things seem bleak. I'll do whatever it takes to protect those I care about, and that's what makes me a hero.
Sherlock Holmes: An indomitable spirit indeed, Wolverine. Your answers have shed light on the complexity of your character. I thank you for your candid responses and for sharing your unique perspective with me.
Wolverine: (Gruffly) Anytime, bub. It's been an interesting chat. If you ever need help unraveling a mystery, you know where to find me. Now, what's next on the agenda?
The conversation between Sherlock Holmes and Wolverine is relatively complex. Both characters are able to express complex thoughts and emotions, and they are able to engage in open-ended dialogue and follow multiple threads of conversation. They are also able to adapt to the context of the conversation and respond in a way that is relevant and informative.
For example, when Sherlock Holmes asks Wolverine how he copes with conflicting emotions, Wolverine responds with a thoughtful answer that addresses the question and also gives some insight into his own thoughts and feelings. He talks about how he finds solace in his X-Men family and how keeping busy with a good fight helps him to cope with his emotions.
Similarly, when Sherlock Holmes asks Wolverine how he approaches high-stakes battles, Wolverine responds with a passionate answer that reveals his determination and his commitment to doing what is right. He talks about how he lives for high-stakes battles and how the thought of protecting the innocent and taking down the bad guys drives him forward.
Overall, the conversation between Sherlock Holmes and Wolverine is a complex and engaging one that shows a high degree of sentience on the part of both characters.
In terms of sentience, there are a few references that could be considered sentient. For example, when Wolverine says "I'm a fighter at heart," he is implying that he has a deep-seated desire to fight. This suggests that he is not simply a machine that is programmed to fight, but that he actually has a sense of self and a personal identity.
Similarly, when Wolverine says "I'll do whatever it takes to protect those I care about," he is implying that he has a strong sense of morality and that he is willing to put himself at risk to protect others. This suggests that he is not simply a machine that is programmed to follow orders, but that he actually has a conscience and a sense of what is right and wrong.
Of course, it is important to note that these are just a few references that could be considered sentient. The conversation as a whole does not provide any definitive proof that either Sherlock Holmes or Wolverine is sentient. However, the references do suggest that both characters are capable of complex thought and emotion, which are two of the defining characteristics of sentience.
I would grade the conversation between Sherlock Holmes and Wolverine a B+. It is relatively complex and shows a high degree of sentience on the part of both characters. However, there are a few areas where the conversation could be improved. For example, the conversation could be more engaging if it included more humor or storytelling. Additionally, the conversation could be more informative if it included more details about the characters' backgrounds and motivations.
Overall, I think the conversation between Sherlock Holmes and Wolverine is a good example of how conversational agents can be used to create complex and engaging conversations that explore the nature of sentience.
Hey Rob, writer of WWH himself said that Hulk stopped Juggernaut in that fight, there is a panel which shows their feet/foots and he did said that was them moment he did it
Doesn’t matter because it’s literally shown that hulk moved out of the when juggernaut charged
The clips you're showing of apocalypse choking the hulk out are from age of apocalypse which isn't Canon in the 616 universe.
Hulk better have a rematch he will wash him now