I really hate that TKD has evolved into 10 minutes of sloppy pokes with the front leg. We need the old school back. 1980s to early 2000s had more power and diversity of techniques.
I agree. At first I thought maybe it was just me getting old but when I was active in the 80s and 90s... Man... It was war. I can see one aspect how it can be more appealing to the common man to watch now but its not the same at all
I don't even remember if it was "legal" to just throw lazy sidekicks 50% of the time before?.. As I remember, you got penalized for not engaging... But times they are a changing
I’ve been saying this on all the videos on RUclips. I competed in the 90s and 2000s and last one was 2014 nationals, so I’ve seen a lot is the point. It’s not a case of “it was better back then”. The new rules and scoring has turned it into something truly awful.
Esto no es taekwondo, es otro deporte que ha pasado a un segundo plano con las nuevas tecnologías y la globalización, el marketing y todos estos medios masivos de comunicación. Que triste un arte marcial tan bello se haya degradado tanto
lo que se practica ya no es arte marcial ellos dicen que es deporte de contacto pero a saber. Si vieran los maestros iniciales en lo que lo han convertido creo vomitarian
Hosseini has always been my fav player.. he's the most consistent player I've ever seen.. But I don't mind accepting that Lee was one of the best tkd player .. I wish he could have played for a few more years.. ✨
@@ankita..3839 oh ok i couldnt find anything about that online but tht makes sense thank you very much i was scared he had died WOW is it a relief that he has not died that would be sad but he has just retired ok thats good i hope he has a nice life
I’m sure “old school tkd” was played in nationals but not in the olympics Bc it’s very risky on both sides Bc both players are good the counter kicks are too good it is high risk and high reward but it’s more of a ridk
there is a level of brilliance going on here that those who keep saying "i miss the old school" don't seem to understand. Sure, old school matches were more exciting to watch, but require more fighting instinct and far less technique. But Taekwondo has evolved like boxing/UFC where at the highest echelon, the skill level is so similar that everyone needs to play carefully otherwise they'll lose 6-10 almost instantly because of how quickly these guys can hit the head. Stop complaining about foot fencing and appreciate greatness.
Lee needs to do try some radical changes, his style of play been read by quite a lot of players now. In the old days, that head kick at the last second would register and the win goes to him, but not this time. This proves Hosseini is the worth contender, congrats! P.S.: please ignore all shitty comments talking about "old times", that time is over, period.
@@eduardofigueroa5953 distingue entre los combates del 2008 vs actualidad. Cuenta la cantidad de técnicas usadas, las formas, la intensidad. Lo más criticable: el taptapkick
M.HOSSEINI was catching Lee dar hoon's dress and scoring the headkick. Fair loss is better than cheated win. All the best for2021 Olympic Lee.,😘 Love from India,🇮🇳
Watching taekwondo is like seeing Hwoarang and Kim from video games. Taekwondo or martial arts are meant for all ages - I don't care if it is combat sports or video games.
we call it front foot/leg roundhouse kick, the term reverse roundhouse kick is kind of confusing as it's interpreted differently from one person to another. It can refer to a hook kick (as reverse in rotation direction) or a twist kick (as reverse in kicking direction) or perhaps something else, I don't know, could be an outward crescent kick as well.
Tkd has become such a joke in recent years. Honestly this foot fencing approach has killed it as a martial art and a spectator sport. Bring back actual fighting.
I think tkd has evolved; if you practice you will find it takes time to master foot fencing, it requires a lot of hard work. I am old school but I am practicing at 60 yo
In old school you don't need to look at the replay to make sure that a kick landed, because if you where unsure it doesn't matter, means the kick was to weak. When a head kick or any other kick or even punches really landed, back there, you just see it clearly and then it count as a point. Kukkiwon and WT(F) should think more seriously about the way they want tkd to evolve and spread across the globe and generations. We need to reinforce the traditions, of the martial art and its values and forget a little(A lot?) about the sport and competitions. Old school teachers, masters and fighters must show how REAL TKD looks like, from the basis of the philosophy and history trough the technics, self defense, life style etc. When you go fight just don't do this, fight old-school style and show how it done, the score doesn't matter. Ps. I am ashamed to see that kind of fight specialty when they do that little second kick when the leg is already in the air and score a point with barely a touch. Its embarrassing. Make me fell ashamed to let anyone knows that im a black belt. For sure i am not a black belt in that.
@@tsun-enlu6662 Who else to blame? I know its a sport. The problem is that the sport is becoming more and more important that the martial art. And i see that as a problem, for me it is negative for taekwondo. Anyway, i respect your opinion and is absolute awesome to discuss this. Taekwon!
I'm impressed about the myths of the so-called "old school" taekwondo here. I'm not from a TKD background (I was involved with many other martial arts until recently) but for us TKD has always been an extremely limite martial art, with serious flaws.
the red guy i see used lots of knee and tricks, well... but I can see the blue guy enjoying it bc he likes taekwondo, not to win. Kind of inspire me, like the Ford v Ferrari movies lol
Pero que horrenda forma de pelear, -68kg con hasta 1,90m de altura, esos competidores flacos y larguiruchos son los que hacen tan aburrido el taekwondo con su pierna delantera siempre arriba, como se extraña a competidores como Servet Tazegul que si daban gala de un buen peleador!!
En el 1992 el Taekwondo era más espectacular, mucho más, ahora es muy simple, patadas medias al peto I ya!.... Yo era competidor, pero ahora no lo sería.
Essas porcarias de colete eletrônico acabaram com o TKD, os campeonatos começaram a esvaziar e pra atrair o público de volta a WTF faz uma puta produção, mas mesmo assim não resolve o problema. Acabaram com o TKD.
@@andremikioito Conheço o Taekwondo desde fins dos anos 1980. Algumas diferenças aqui e ali, mas sempre foi muitissimo criticado por nós, de outras lutas, pelas suas limitações.
@@Ricardo-mr3bg, pratiquei TKD durante 9 anos, disputei campeonatos, acompanhava os grandes torneios e te garanto, na época dos coletes analógicos o esporte tinha mais intensidade, mais contato, mais emoção. Os coletes eletrônicos, apesar de aparentemente fazer justiça, tirou toda aquela intensidade das lutas. O objetivo de desferir mais golpes no adversário para conquistar mais pontos foi trocado pelo objetivo de encostar o pé no colete para acionar o sensor.
@@andremikioito De fato o colete analógico tinha algumas diferenças, mas eu acompanhei vários torneios a partir do fim dos anos 1980 (por motivos profissionais, como qualquer profissional de luta que eu era) e digo que o TKD já naquela época era problemático por outros motivos. O Taekwondo competitivo pelo menos - que é o que conheço - tem muitas limitações. Dizem que o TKD marcial tem outras coisas, mas aí isso não aparece em competições.
third consecutive loss for dae hoon. i know you'll come back to the top podium real soon. I am with you til the end of your journey. congratulations! you're still on rank one anyway.
Quite the opposite: why so aggressive? Especially when accuracy matters more than power. As long as your power is enough, it registers point(s). But the point isn't calculated from how big your power is. Quite likely, the stronger power you throw, the less accurate your attack would be. Once you find the sweet spot (minimum power above threshold), no need to play rough.
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Leg fencing.. no power, no technique anymore. What happened to TKD? There should be a rule that you have to use certain techniques. Side kick, axe kick, round house, round kick and so one. Sloppy technique should be given 5 points penalty.
There are ways to bring the FIGHT back into the game. You can earn your living making people fall down and making them go out of the ring. No more 1/2 pts for those infractions, everything is a full point. Also, punch people inside and dont allow the clinch. Develop clinch denial and use the now legal push to make your inside game more effective. People put up with grabbing way too much. Learn to grapple within the TKD game and you will see something more resembling fighting again. It IS possible.
If they encourage full blown TKD in the point system, we will start seeing deaths and crippling. A single roundhouse kick can completely deface the oponent. So it is like they are trying to tame an extremely violent art into a light sport, so in the end it is the art itself that becomes defaced.
Definitely not. One of Lees kicks to head didn't got counted. Also Hosseini grabbed Lee to get a kick to his head. Should give him a Gamjong and take him his 3 points away.
@@LKleonLK sounds like you don't know rules and Taekwondo overall . Taekwondo athlete can score points when they're close to each other and grabbing each other with a kick to pointing areas.
Why are they not alternating stance, and why for the love of god are they just standing there in striking distance and not using that back foot , no doubles no back kicks man is this what tkd had become 😑
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i LOVE Lee Dae Hoon
I LOVE TAEKWONDO
I really hate that TKD has evolved into 10 minutes of sloppy pokes with the front leg. We need the old school back. 1980s to early 2000s had more power and diversity of techniques.
I agree. At first I thought maybe it was just me getting old but when I was active in the 80s and 90s... Man... It was war. I can see one aspect how it can be more appealing to the common man to watch now but its not the same at all
yeah, that's why i change to Muay Thai and MMA
I don't even remember if it was "legal" to just throw lazy sidekicks 50% of the time before?.. As I remember, you got penalized for not engaging... But times they are a changing
The school I’m in is diverse. It is run by Mr. Jonathan Hedricks.
I’ve been saying this on all the videos on RUclips. I competed in the 90s and 2000s and last one was 2014 nationals, so I’ve seen a lot is the point. It’s not a case of “it was better back then”. The new rules and scoring has turned it into something truly awful.
I feel like this is the first time of Lee Dae Hoon losing
Yea h i swear, but no he also losed vs ahmad abughaush
@@nighttimefighter9506 well he did beat him aswell
Lol
Whyd u spoil it
@@nighttimefighter9506 pp
Esto no es taekwondo, es otro deporte que ha pasado a un segundo plano con las nuevas tecnologías y la globalización, el marketing y todos estos medios masivos de comunicación. Que triste un arte marcial tan bello se haya degradado tanto
lo que se practica ya no es arte marcial ellos dicen que es deporte de contacto pero a saber. Si vieran los maestros iniciales en lo que lo han convertido creo vomitarian
Vean y practiquen ITF payasosm
Hosseini has always been my fav player.. he's the most consistent player I've ever seen..
But I don't mind accepting that Lee was one of the best tkd player .. I wish he could have played for a few more years.. ✨
what happened to him
He has retired..
@@ankita..3839 oh ok i couldnt find anything about that online but tht makes sense thank you very much i was scared he had died WOW is it a relief that he has not died that would be sad but he has just retired ok thats good i hope he has a nice life
Miss Old school taekwondo? Just bring back those style in your own matches... Show them those style are great
RIGHT!
I’m sure “old school tkd” was played in nationals but not in the olympics Bc it’s very risky on both sides Bc both players are good the counter kicks are too good it is high risk and high reward but it’s more of a ridk
there is a level of brilliance going on here that those who keep saying "i miss the old school" don't seem to understand. Sure, old school matches were more exciting to watch, but require more fighting instinct and far less technique. But Taekwondo has evolved like boxing/UFC where at the highest echelon, the skill level is so similar that everyone needs to play carefully otherwise they'll lose 6-10 almost instantly because of how quickly these guys can hit the head. Stop complaining about foot fencing and appreciate greatness.
This isn’t greatness this is crap and to say “old school” required far less technique shows you haven’t got a clue!!
Brock Vincent u have got no clue. 😂
I'm old enough to remember "old" TKD. It's a pure myth that it was "better". People judge old matches based on some highlights, that's all.
Yes but none of that matters if the martial art can’t perform its primary function: making a person better at fighting.
@@Ricardo-mr3bg if you mean "old taekwondo" 90' and 2000 you right, but before was more technical and exciting than this
Match starts @5:18
tq
Thanks bro
I miss old school
it is different
Lee needs to do try some radical changes, his style of play been read by quite a lot of players now. In the old days, that head kick at the last second would register and the win goes to him, but not this time. This proves Hosseini is the worth contender, congrats!
P.S.: please ignore all shitty comments talking about "old times", that time is over, period.
Here we go..
The comment I was looking for..
could you plz tell me what change are you talking about?
quiero llorar al ver este te kwon do.
de verdad que es triste.
por que?
@@eduardofigueroa5953 distingue entre los combates del 2008 vs actualidad. Cuenta la cantidad de técnicas usadas, las formas, la intensidad.
Lo más criticable: el taptapkick
Pues pràctica TKD ITF y deja de llorar payaso.
@@leonixtlahuacperez8512 No es lo mismo.
Could have been 14-13 with the unawarded head kick by LDH, nevertheless a clash of titans 👍
17:58 the real TAEKWONDO!!...
So this is the new taekwondo that is bull shit bro i hate the new school
Old school was much more exciting and spectacular than this
I didn't:)
M.HOSSEINI was catching Lee dar hoon's dress and scoring the headkick.
Fair loss is better than cheated win.
All the best for2021 Olympic Lee.,😘
Love from India,🇮🇳
Im also Indian 🙂
how is that cheating lol
It's very sorrow moment to see the best ones losing. Till now I can't believe that Lee Dae Hoon lost the match !!
Dude Lee Dae-Hoon is so good its just so disturbing to me how he lost, but he's really good.
Watching taekwondo is like seeing Hwoarang and Kim from video games. Taekwondo or martial arts are meant for all ages - I don't care if it is combat sports or video games.
For me
Lee dae hoon is still the winner
Lots of love from India
I didn't expect this..... But great match
Lee dae hoon is the best
Hee don't fail all match !
با اینکه لی دای هون را خیلی دوست دارم ولی از برد کشور همسایه عزیز ما خیلی خوشحال شدم .
زنده باد فارسی زبانان 🇦🇫🇹🇯🇮🇷
زنده باد انسانیت...
Success failure doesn't matter being devoted to your sport matters
آفرین هر دوتا تون خیلی با اخلاقین
🇮🇷💪
Lee dae hoon i love you
Miss 3point head kick by LDH😪
Ow okay thanks
Can they mute those broadcasters? Or just choose one language , don't mix pls? Barely can hear any analogy.
A new Champion, Congratulations Iran.
Good this fight and well done Hussain.
Well done hosseini👏👏👏
5:57 what kick 😲👌
Reverse round house
we call it front foot/leg roundhouse kick, the term reverse roundhouse kick is kind of confusing as it's interpreted differently from one person to another. It can refer to a hook kick (as reverse in rotation direction) or a twist kick (as reverse in kicking direction) or perhaps something else, I don't know, could be an outward crescent kick as well.
Good eye. This is a Roundhouse kick where he pops it over and down to try to score on the Hogu. This is an artifact of electronic scoring.
It’s not lee dae hoon that became bad! It’s just that some players studied him really well and got really good too!
got really good at subtle dobok grabs
@@igorkim5221LMAO so true
@@igorkim5221 not subtle tho
Tkd has become such a joke in recent years. Honestly this foot fencing approach has killed it as a martial art and a spectator sport.
Bring back actual fighting.
I think tkd has evolved; if you practice you will find it takes time to master foot fencing, it requires a lot of hard work. I am old school but I am practicing at 60 yo
SALUT FROM TREVISO TAEKWONDO TEAM!🙏😉
Yehhey I'm glad LDH got his redemption from bck to back lost against brad of (GB)
Missing old school
Hosseini new king
Iran💗💪
Hosseini very smart
and you call this as World Taekwondo Grand-Prix's final???
Pregunta que fue lo que le molestaba en el aire o la luz a dae hoon??
good mirashem hosseini
Wow Lee Dae Hoon Was defeated 😯
Crappy audio quality, two commentators are heard at the same time.
4:40 starts
What happened to the game? Is this what TKD has been reduced to?
Where's the aggression and power built on the traditional fundamentals?
Man taekwondo has gone backwards ...
Hosseini Zindabad 💖🌹
In old school you don't need to look at the replay to make sure that a kick landed, because if you where unsure it doesn't matter, means the kick was to weak. When a head kick or any other kick or even punches really landed, back there, you just see it clearly and then it count as a point. Kukkiwon and WT(F) should think more seriously about the way they want tkd to evolve and spread across the globe and generations. We need to reinforce the traditions, of the martial art and its values and forget a little(A lot?) about the sport and competitions. Old school teachers, masters and fighters must show how REAL TKD looks like, from the basis of the philosophy and history trough the technics, self defense, life style etc. When you go fight just
don't do this, fight old-school style and show how it done, the score doesn't matter.
Ps. I am ashamed to see that kind of fight specialty when they do that little second kick when the leg is already in the air and score a point with barely a touch. Its embarrassing. Make me fell ashamed to let anyone knows that im a black belt. For sure i am not a black belt in that.
This is a sport. The new style works better for sport, and old school works better for self defense. Dont blame WTF for doing this.
@@tsun-enlu6662 Who else to blame? I know its a sport. The problem is that the sport is becoming more and more important that the martial art. And i see that as a problem, for me it is negative for taekwondo. Anyway, i respect your opinion and is absolute awesome to discuss this. Taekwon!
I'm impressed about the myths of the so-called "old school" taekwondo here. I'm not from a TKD background (I was involved with many other martial arts until recently) but for us TKD has always been an extremely limite martial art, with serious flaws.
آفرین موفق باشی تبرک بهترین جهان شکست دادی
the red guy i see used lots of knee and tricks, well... but I can see the blue guy enjoying it bc he likes taekwondo, not to win. Kind of inspire me, like the Ford v Ferrari movies lol
Lastima Dae, no se le vio en su mejor forma, ya mucho ya dado Dae a su país...
HOSSEINI Mirhashem was better at this match and won, congratulating him
No Lee Dae-Hoon is better
13:48 where Iran grabbed Korea and grabbing is prohibited
I don't know how theh became referee they must eat green vegetables to make their vision strong
Iranian player illegally grabbed Lee about 25 times in this match. Refs need to step up and make players FIGHT!
Goood job
Good fight
이대훈 화이팅!!
well old is gold
I love iron
Weldon hussani
TKD S lee daee hooun mantap
Pero que horrenda forma de pelear, -68kg con hasta 1,90m de altura, esos competidores flacos y larguiruchos son los que hacen tan aburrido el taekwondo con su pierna delantera siempre arriba, como se extraña a competidores como Servet Tazegul
que si daban gala de un buen peleador!!
No sabes nada...ignorante!!
이대훈는 멋지다
Felt confused because the screens said semi finals 😅
En el 1992 el Taekwondo era más espectacular, mucho más, ahora es muy simple, patadas medias al peto I ya!.... Yo era competidor, pero ahora no lo sería.
Awesome!!!!
it is not worth it to use your card for a gamjeon. the card should've been used for uncounted kicks. good game anyway
Essas porcarias de colete eletrônico acabaram com o TKD, os campeonatos começaram a esvaziar e pra atrair o público de volta a WTF faz uma puta produção, mas mesmo assim não resolve o problema. Acabaram com o TKD.
TKD sempre foi isso aí.
Na minha época era bem diferente.
@@andremikioito Conheço o Taekwondo desde fins dos anos 1980. Algumas diferenças aqui e ali, mas sempre foi muitissimo criticado por nós, de outras lutas, pelas suas limitações.
@@Ricardo-mr3bg, pratiquei TKD durante 9 anos, disputei campeonatos, acompanhava os grandes torneios e te garanto, na época dos coletes analógicos o esporte tinha mais intensidade, mais contato, mais emoção. Os coletes eletrônicos, apesar de aparentemente fazer justiça, tirou toda aquela intensidade das lutas. O objetivo de desferir mais golpes no adversário para conquistar mais pontos foi trocado pelo objetivo de encostar o pé no colete para acionar o sensor.
@@andremikioito De fato o colete analógico tinha algumas diferenças, mas eu acompanhei vários torneios a partir do fim dos anos 1980 (por motivos profissionais, como qualquer profissional de luta que eu era) e digo que o TKD já naquela época era problemático por outros motivos. O Taekwondo competitivo pelo menos - que é o que conheço - tem muitas limitações. Dizem que o TKD marcial tem outras coisas, mas aí isso não aparece em competições.
9:09 another uncounted headkick from KOR. Lee dae hoon. This is BS.
The guy even had to adjust the helmet after the kick, and it did not counted?
The ultimate martial art krave maga and ninjitsu
I feel like some points for korea were not counted.
I love how hosseini asked if he was ok
???
=))
Ya era hora de que le ganarán a ese malo de Dae 👍👍😊😊
third consecutive loss for dae hoon. i know you'll come back to the top podium real soon. I am with you til the end of your journey. congratulations! you're still on rank one anyway.
congrats iran
OMFG is this bullshit???????????? I am ashamed! I trained TKD in10 years ago back when it was still explosive and hard
Current tkd has been bended by stupid rulesets and tournaments to a sloppy circus
It's because it has become a sport now and not a martial art
Olympic has degrading quality of taekwondo sparring
@@Hadi-td8ch I am so happy I actually got to enjoy tkd as it was 2005-2009. Even football and tennis looks more exciting and harder than this bullshit
Iran was grabbing... no offense
I hate seeing Lee lose
wonderful
Damn why so relax in the fight
Quite the opposite: why so aggressive? Especially when accuracy matters more than power. As long as your power is enough, it registers point(s). But the point isn't calculated from how big your power is. Quite likely, the stronger power you throw, the less accurate your attack would be. Once you find the sweet spot (minimum power above threshold), no need to play rough.
@@leledumbo well u have point too
@@gohotv5515 until 20/20 armor sparring model is accepted by WTF, this is all we got. So just bear with the situation for now.
Eso es una pérdida de tiempo y una interrupción del combate, los reclamos deberían de revisarse en los descansos y no detener los combates
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This dont look like how dae hoon used to gight
Punset
بالتوفيق للاعب الايراني والكوري ايضا أصحاب اللعبه
عالی
Same witj you
Leg fencing.. no power, no technique anymore. What happened to TKD?
There should be a rule that you have to use certain techniques. Side kick, axe kick, round house, round kick and so one. Sloppy technique should be given 5 points penalty.
Can they stop the foot fencing. 🤦🏻♂️
I totally agree...
Current Taekwondo rules took all the excitements and true beauty of Taekwondo away...
It looks joke to me now.
No it can't unfortunately because of the new school of Taekwond sparing which in general npnesne
There are ways to bring the FIGHT back into the game. You can earn your living making people fall down and making them go out of the ring. No more 1/2 pts for those infractions, everything is a full point. Also, punch people inside and dont allow the clinch. Develop clinch denial and use the now legal push to make your inside game more effective. People put up with grabbing way too much. Learn to grapple within the TKD game and you will see something more resembling fighting again. It IS possible.
If they encourage full blown TKD in the point system, we will start seeing deaths and crippling. A single roundhouse kick can completely deface the oponent. So it is like they are trying to tame an extremely violent art into a light sport, so in the end it is the art itself that becomes defaced.
Alaaaaa
Rules changed so badly. It is not a real Taewondo.
I love Iran
7:21 i'm from Kazakhstan
what a boring World Taekwondo Grand-Prix' final..miss the old style
itf top
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TRA DRG 😕💔💔💔
Nice
Lee dae hoon danh ko hay bang nhung lan dau truoc :((
Well deserved. Congrats to Iran
Definitely not. One of Lees kicks to head didn't got counted. Also Hosseini grabbed Lee to get a kick to his head. Should give him a Gamjong and take him his 3 points away.
@@LKleonLK sounds like you don't know rules and Taekwondo overall . Taekwondo athlete can score points when they're close to each other and grabbing each other with a kick to pointing areas.
@@karenelvis1913 He grabbed him. Its definitely a Gamjong. And a lot others are the same opinion as I am. Anything else youd like to discuss? 🤔
Why are they not alternating stance, and why for the love of god are they just standing there in striking distance and not using that back foot , no doubles no back kicks man is this what tkd had become 😑
They want to score