Manchester City 115 Fraud Charges RESOLVED OUT OF COURT?!
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2024
- Reports suggest that Manchester City and the Premier League are considering an out-of-court settlement to resolve the 115 charges. This potential agreement could mark a significant development in the ongoing legal proceedings between the club and the league.
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Reports suggest that Manchester City and the Premier League are considering an out-of-court settlement to resolve the 115 charges. This potential agreement could mark a significant development in the ongoing legal proceedings between the club and the league.
Nonsense.
@@fhskahfdbskwhfh2970 this is a football channel for football news. Has nothing to do if the team Terry supports is doing well or not. City admitting guilt would make you cry we all know
@@fhskahfdbskwhfh2970 Ok, Mustafa.
@@scotty90Your club performances already make you cry. But Ud have to wait for a court verdict to find out if we cry or not.
@@fhskahfdbskwhfh2970 bro I support Arsenal 😂😂 my club’s performance is not making me cry at all
If City are allowed to settle outside of court the Premiere League loses all of its value. Several clubs have had points deducted and Chelsea are still at risk of point deduction, but City getting off with a wrist slap just goes to show corruption and greed at the FA.
Fuckin" A!!!!
Settlement might mean a HUGE point deduction
@scotty90 Settlement usually means a fine. Unless I am missing something here.
@@scotty90 settlement outside of court is usually a cash sum
Lost its cred yrs ago
All rubbish. Fining them will do nothing. City need to have points deducted or relegated if found guilty. Finance means nothing to them. They can pay whatever.
WHY is everybody assuming the settlement will be coming from City? As it stands, they are the ones who will be paid a settlement from the PL for the unproven accusations aimed at them. The fact that you're all assuming it's the club that is guilty based on absolutely nothing is disgusting. And yes, I am repeating this comment on reply to many of you who have made libellous comments about the club and I hope they sue the arse off the lot of you.
Yep, owned by big oil tycoons from the Middle East.
IF THE EPL TAKES THIS OUT OF COURT SETTLEMENT ON...THEN ALL THE OTHER CLUBS SHOULD GO AND FORM THERE OWN LEAGUE................
Their**
They should all file a lawsuit on the premise of undermining relegated clubs which lost millions by going down.
They already did that. That's why the PL exists.
**PL*
If you can't get the name of the league right you don't get an opinion.
Cry
Did you consider that the league can't actually prove guilt?
This sounds even more suspicious.
Kinda like buying your way out of 115 charges.
Cry
The league embarrassed itself when it brought the charges.
@@blueviper3861Says the former United Fan 🤦🏻♂️
@@blueviper3861 How is this crying? You look more rattled commenting on this than he is posting.
Settlement out of court generally denotes that wrongs were committed. The shiekhs will just pay through the nose. Both parties look sus doing this.
@@jaskiratuppal6935if pl had stonewall evidence it wouldn't take so much time. The problem is uefa had not evidence and the pr has not either!
I’m a Gooner and believe in innocent before guilty. But if City settle out of court it’s an admission of guilt. Why wouldn’t you prove your case in court if you’re innocent?
If a settlement is an admision, whats the job of the court? Its a double standard
Just like when Thomas Partey admitted guilt when he settled out of court...
@@JohnEllis-le9ym it never went to court because it was bs😂😂 we would of got news a long time ago about the situation
@@JohnEllis-le9ym perhaps. But that’s the problem with settlements, you never hear the full story.
Makes no sense. Funny that a settlement instantly implies city are guilty. Have you ever stopped to think a settlement would also imply the PL have got it catastrophically wrong and are now trying to seek some salvation to keep their reputation in tact?
Surely the fact that there is a suggestion that they could settle outside of the court indicates that they are guilty to some degree??
Not some degree but in totality bro
Just like when Thomas Partey admitted guilt when he settled out of court...
@@michaelnwode3438 they are just fuckin rumours u jealous twat
@JohnEllis-le9ym his case with your mom is still pending tho 😂
It basically means that neither party is confident enough in their case to attempt a trial. In reality it also casts serious doubt on both parties.
Settle??? U dont settle unless you did something!! If your innocent you dont settle!!! So they steal a title from Liverpool and Arsenal????? Wow!!!!!🤦♂️
Steal you clow, you bottle it anyway, and for you and the other cliwns out there, how do you know who wants to settle? As a city fan, i dont want us to settle, take them the whoke way, we know the charges are sh1t,yet again you lot assume its us who want to settle, lets just say your right,ok..if the premier leagues bollox charges are solid, and its took them 4 fekkin years, whats to stop the PL saying,no settlement, your bang to rights and your getti g it? Stop looking through your biased eyes and think..you know 2 of the cgarges are a sponsors name printed to big, and the grass length on our pitch..so pathetic
No. Listen to what Borson said-again.
Not true. Innocent people settle all the time to avoid the risk and cost of running a trial
@@ssjjaeds759 not if you have City money!!!! 🤦♂️. They average person who doesnt have money does and not if your accused of a crime. If a crime was committed against you then a person may settle. Your confused
@@coachlance7076 I'm a barrister. I think I know what I'm talking about. But have a good day.
Whoever is responsible for bringing forward the 115 allegations is also at fault. The problem with having so many allegations is that if even one cannot be proven-and I believe there are dozens that the prosecutor cannot prove-then the City's lawyer could retaliate, jeopardizing the validity of the other provable allegations.
They should only file a few allegations that have a very high likelihood of being proven by the prosecutor.
Well the fact is there are only a few, four or five in total. The 115 is made up because they are alleged to have been repeated. A bit like if you get a parking ticket every day for a week it's not one charge, it's 7, and so on.
The PL dropped an almighty bollocks by announcing it as 115. They almost certainly have nothing and I assume that they thought they would spook City into admitting something, but you can't prove what didn't happen. Why would the club be spending millions on increasing the stadium size if they were guilty? Why would United poach the main director said to be responsible for most of the deals? If Etihad Airways are to go public, like they have announced, their financial records would then be available for the public to view so it doesn't make sense from their point of view. The owners have an excellent business reputation around the world, why would they risk that and potentially put billions of dollars worth of contracts at risk for the sake of a handful of relatively small and meaningless payments? None of it makes any sense and the PL wouldn't have opted for a private hearing if they had anything substantial.
I think they wanted to try to prove to the government that they did not need independent regulation. The mentality of the PL board, who are not lawyers or financial experts, was that they would show the world who is in charge and it's massively backfired on them. Let's also not forget that the PL is effectively the group of clubs in the league, so that's 19 clubs who have been taken to the cleaners and embarrassed by city over the past decade. There are strong rumours that the case was brought by Arsenal, United and Liverpool, the three clubs that would have won more titles had it not been for City's emergence and I know for certain that within all those clubs and United in particular that there are people who are very bitter that City have come along and broken up their little cartel at the top of the league. You can't tell me that they're not bothered, because it's not just the trophies but the hundreds of millions that City have collected in prize money used to be theirs. They can't stop City on the pitch so they're trying to stop them off it. Hey, I don't know any more than anybody else does but it all adds up.
At this point, why should the other 19 tolerate this outright injustice, boycott the league for an year and see what happens.
Unbelievable Corruption
it'd be funny as hell if they actually did that
I doubt the PL are corrupting their own league, although when you see some of the VAR and referring decisions you do wonder. I don't know why City or any of the other 19 put up with it, you would have to ask them. would be funny if City won the title again by default though because nobody else turned up to play. 😂
Explains why they get so much help from refs they’re on the payroll of city … what has this league become
Omg, it’s maddening. They wouldn’t even be in the tithe race if not for the shady refereeing. I’ve seen enough, Premier League is an embarrassment
Another one talking absolute Bollocks
So the prem has chargwd man city 115 times bjt the prems refs also helps man city......How stupid can you be
Cry more you waffling muppet
My God the coping is real all your clubs have spent just as much but you're fckn shit
The level of so called 'journalism' on Talksport is absolutely pitiful! Some anonymous fan starts the cease and desist rumour and they report it? 🤣
The Premier league would of come to City first too settle this out of court, not the other way round.
They all know this, but the hate is blinding them.
And why would City agree? So much for all your irrefutable evidence. So much for all of your resources
Only the genuine evidence ever comes out in a court, be stupid if you released it before hand. maybe the settlement being, City won't sue for damages.
@@nichobee Sorry, can you explain? Because so far it's been over a year and the PL, WHO WANTED THE CASE TO BE HEARD IN PRIVATE, have come up with nothing. In fact despite all your hate comments not a single one of you has managed to come up with any proof of anything. Seems odd that you're all soooooo wrapped up in bitter jealousy, so wrapped up in hate that you wouldn't try and do a little digging or investigating yourselves between you all, yet NOT ONE PERSON ANYWHERE has come up with a single shred of evidence that City have done ANYTHING wrong.
City say they have irrefutable evidence so it sounds to me like they have nothing to hide, but the PL WANTED THE CASE TO BE HEARD IN PRIVATE. Why can't any of you see a problem with that if they have evidence of any wrongdoing by City?
And once again, it's NOT a criminal case and has got NOTHING to do with court, so you should all shut up and stick to what you know - which is nothing at all. Fucking disgrace the lot of you.
Settle this out of court and football is finished..the fans need to know the truth.
If they bring in new rules, then what's to stop city breaking them and starting the whole thing again...they are untouchable....it's a complete joke.
They'll definitely lose in court. City have never settled in any case. EVer
City have already told them no chance of settlement because there is no proof of made up charges.
@paulgoodwin2224 if there's no proof of made-up charges...then the charges must be legitimate.
the only settlement will be the EPL paying City millions in damages, they were warned
WHY is everybody assuming the settlement will be coming from City? As it stands, they are the ones who will be paid a settlement from the PL for the unproven accusations aimed at them. The fact that you're all assuming it's the club that is guilty based on absolutely nothing is disgusting. And yes, I am repeating this comment on reply to many of you who have made libellous comments about the club and I hope they sue the arse off the lot of you.
there is no settling this out of court for me. its either they are guilty and get punished harshly, or are innocent and get full vindiciation. there is no grey area. if they do settle out of court the legitimacy of the game is totally gone and is up for sale, and its the end of the illusion of this being elite competitive sport. Personally, I would consider walking away from the sport entirely, as there is no integrity in a corruptable league, and it just renders everything else worthless.
bye
WHY is everybody assuming the settlement will be coming from City? As it stands, they are the ones who will be paid a settlement from the PL for the unproven accusations aimed at them. The fact that you're all assuming it's the club that is guilty based on absolutely nothing is disgusting. And yes, I am repeating this comment on reply to many of you who have made libellous comments about the club and I hope they sue the arse off the lot of you.
Can’t believe that! Everton and Forest would have a field day in court. So would a host of other clubs. Settling is an acceptance of some wrongdoing. Why would other clubs tolerate that?
Yep exactly, then add in all the other clubs who've missed out on CL money, winning titles over the years. Be an absolute disgrace if they're allowed to get away with it without actually beating the case.
@@Amberle73 Then add in all the other clubs like Arsenal who missed out on CL money by failing to qualify for it for 7 years...
@@Amberle73 Get away with what, exactly.
To say you`re on the spot you`re absolutely clueless.
@@brianshockledge3241 Cheating
Even if City are found not guilty there will be a myriad of fans from other clubs who will believe they are guilty regardless. Success breeds hate from other fans, as per man Utd in the past
Exactly, which is precisely why the PL will most likely have to pay a settlement for the damage that has been done to the clubs reputation. You can see that in this and every other thread about the case online.
Day in court and ban them if guilty
Be more like a week in court.
and say sorry if there innocent
It has NOTHING to do with court. These are NOT legal proceedings. Not one of you has a clue what you are talking about so crawl back into your holes and shut up.
a Settlement outside of Court would Put the PL reputation completely in the mud. its essentially an admition of guilt on both sides. Would utterly destroy any credibility of this league.
Out of court settlements are not an admission of guilt.
It does damage the PL's credibility, although it was damaged more than 20 years ago imo.
@@dragonballfanscantread2383which was about time when i stopped paying any football related fees and just freeloaded. Thanks a lot whales.
Cry
@@dragonballfanscantread2383Shut up bin dipper
@@blueviper3861
Is that what you said to all the former Man City players who were abused as kid by Barry Bennell in the 80s?
The Fans of the Premier League deserve to know the truth of the matter whether City is guilty or innocent of the charges.
This settlement outside court only makes both City & Premier League lose credibility. There is no point of any fair competition if the governing body can't seem to push through with the investigation of one of its Participants.
Cry
League lost credibilty in a case they couldnt prove.
There won't be a settlement out of court because it's not going to court. It's not a criminal case and has nothing to do with court. But once again the comments prove that you lot don't have a clue what you're talking about.
UNBELIEVABLE UNREAL DISGUSTING....
WE RUN THIS LEAGUE. CRY ABOUT IT
I agree. The league incompetence in carrying charges it cant actually prove to appease the masses.
Wouldn't be surprised as that's what I thought might happen all along, if that's the case what a mockery and something seriously wrong if get away with it
@@Markyy____ Your clubs demise will come and there will be plenty that will be smiling at you and your club.
@@sp4rtavus244 City are innocent. Good luck next season when City are about 30% better🤣5peat is inevitable
More favouritism due to money. Unbelievable.
Where is the favouritism.
@@fifty-five6929 Are you blind?
@@fifty-five6929 Billion and millionaires getting to remain in their positions of power and influence. You scratch mine...I scratch yours because we can afford to.
@@fifty-five6929how can you ask that without feeling like a complete fool?? Why should it take a year or more to investigate City but it takes seconds for teams like Everton and Nottingham Forest get their points deducted within bloody seconds twice this season!!! Get your head out your dirty ass
Stop crying your a little B###
I'll let you work out the right word to use before I'll if you are intelligent enough for this but I doubt that you are capable of doing
And we are surprised tt the billionaire owners can weasel out of this?
U mean a state lol
Cry
Epl embarassed itself when it brought a case it couldn't prove.
WHY is everybody assuming the settlement will be coming from City? As it stands, they are the ones who will be paid a settlement from the PL for the unproven accusations aimed at them. The fact that you're all assuming it's the club that is guilty based on absolutely nothing is disgusting. And yes, I am repeating this comment on reply to many of you who have made libellous comments about the club and I hope they sue the arse off the lot of you.
So rules for all and some for the elites🤷
No wonder they always have an easy last 10 games every season
What difference does that make? Everybody play the same teams
Yeah but some teams get dodgy var decisions and some dont. Ask liverpool when they narrowly lost the league twice. @@GermanChickenwing
@@malcolmjacobite Everybody in the league get bad and call calls.. Liverpool lost the league by losing or drawing to teams they don't suppose to
@@GermanChickenwingyeah but city rarelyy do, and when they do they kick off, surround the ref and tweet. Then no repercussions. Arteta gets sent off for celebrating.
@@malcolmjacobite City rarely do? This is where you are not being fair
City's charges should never be allowed to be settled out of court. I perfectly understand it's financially more prudent to have such matters settled out of trial, but if the EPL are confident in these charges, then they should press on to fight them in court. It would ruin the integrity of the game and put the FA in disrepute more than Man City. A heavy fine and a slap on the wrist doesn't even remotely come close to justice for teams like Everton and Nottingham Forest who have fully co-operated with the FA. If they allow Man City to pay their way out, what message does that deliver to the league? Does it mean it's ok to now cheat but as long as you throw money at officials, then it's all good? The FA are an embarassment if they don't have the courage to see this through to the end. It would also suggest the FA are corrupt. This beautiful game is now ruined, tarnished and destroyed. Football has now become a corrupt business, rather than true sport honest fans pay to watch. All we want is a fair competition. All we're seeing now is a game that has been destroyed by greed.
Why do you think a settlement would be a cash settlement? What gives you this idea? Why would a settlement not be a 20 point deduction instead of a double relegation? If city feel they are at risk from a serious punishment like that then a settlement could include huge point deductions
Lol, Mission Failed Mikel popping up again like a bad dose of herpes and asking "Does it mean it's ok to now cheat?" and "Football has now become a corrupt business" after the former Arsenal Chief Executive Raul Sanhelli was convicted of fraud and cheating the books
Priceless 🤣
@@JohnEllis-le9ym He was stealing money off Arsenal, city are being accused of injecting the owners money in the club which is against epl rules.
@@JohnEllis-le9ym You're comparing one dodgy individual with a entire club institution ? That's priceless 🤦♂
@@gooner_duke2756 Fraud is fraud whatever the scale of it, plus Citys are alleged charges while Sanhelli and George Graham were both found guilty of it
That's priceless 😂
Why will the pl want a settlement if they have a case against City? And why will City take fined like points deduction for a settlement?
City to rot in league 2 soon, yes will will be there 👋🏾🤣
@@MUFCK7 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@MUFCK7 Still dreaming in your theatre of dreams I see - or should that be theatre of wet dreams?
This case NEEDS to go to court, we need answers as to what is actually going on on how it should or shouldn't be punished. The football fans NEED to know what is going on because without fans professional football is dead.
If they’re allowed to settle then I’ll urge every club to use the same model. Hoard youth players, open up fake sponsors,have agreements with other clubs to get players below market value. Do it all and more. This is the game now, on you to catch up. If a settlement is all it takes to get out of things, everyone who can afford it should do the same to win as much as they can.
That won't work. It's Man City's financial leverage that would make the Premier League take that settlement. Luton Town doesn't have the financial leverage to do such a thing.
I've been saying for months, this won't even get into court, the FA have shown themselves for what they are, a bunch of clowns.
And if everybody cheats like City allegedly cheated just to catch up with City but City still keep winning the league and everyone end up like Utd & Chelsea who spent more than City to get worse. Victimpool fans will probably blame a City janitor
WHY is everybody assuming the settlement will be coming from City? As it stands, they are the ones who will be paid a settlement from the PL for the unproven accusations aimed at them. The fact that you're all assuming it's the club that is guilty based on absolutely nothing is disgusting. And yes, I am repeating this comment on reply to many of you who have made libellous comments about the club and I hope they sue the arse off the lot of you.
You should look up the recent settlement between FIA and Ferrari in F1 about 4 years ago. They announced a settlement where nothing was announced about what they had done with the engine etc. All we could see was the next season they were significantly down on power the in comparison to the year before so we can only assume they were doing sonething wrong. I agree, settlements are dumb unless full transparancy given.
The guilty are afraid that's why they want to settle out of court.
They’ve clearly got something to hide!
I agree the Premier League are terrified
Premier league is scared of City's innocence!!! Trust me, PL is trying to save face. No evidence and they dont want to look stupid after all
@@Rainer-mr Yes probably...the individuals are because they could easily "have an accident". Where upon...the very few attempting to investigate those accidents will know fine well they could fall foul in the same way, with even less of a commotion caused.
Overall, the vast majority will look the other way and carry on because..money begets morals and integrity
@@Tom-dv6ei Ah morals and integrity. 2 words that perfectly delineate the footballing world 😂 You all go on like Man City introduced corruption to football even though we're the only club to not be found guilty of anything 😂
IF the PL wins … one step closer to Superleague. Nobody in the areas outside of England care if the teams coming up from the championship can compete on a level field (which they can’t anyway under FFP). The best teams are owned by foreign entities who are frankly tired of a biased body trying to artificially keep a status quo hierarchy of teams in place. The PL essentially said, “right then, what types of money do Liverpool, United, and Arsenal have in advantage over everyone else? Ok, those will be the only funds allowed”
I’m not a City fan btw. But this rabid attempt to persecute investment in teams is going to destroy the league, and WILL bring the Superleague faster.
If they do that, the PL have then successfully proven that they are completely toothless. But it seems bizarre that “out of court” option is even on the table. They’ve either been in breach of the rules and should be punished accordingly or they haven’t.
beginning to sound more and more like they havent
I very much doubt that the PL have breached their own rules. apart from making unfounded accusations against the club which is probably why they will have to pay the club a settlement fee for the damage done to their reputation.
Once again, There IS no court case, these are NOT criminal proceedings. The only criminal proceedings that will happen is when the club start suing people for libel, but well done for proving how clueless you all are.
@@-A-lm5xb I never said anything about the PL breaking their own rules but, sure buddy.
Then English football is dead.
It Died In 2003 Mate.
Etihad
Emirates
Saudia
Indeed
@@pulkeandmatuke.israelipunc2033 J3ws
It was never going to court.
A settlement cannot be allowed. It is far too late.
A settlement would be an admission to guilt
As a football fan, this needs to go the course, no settling. As a Chelsea fan, it looks like Roman/old board also committed fraud, so if settling out of court is an option I’d take it.
No club is bigger than the league it’s in. What morality allows you to say it’s ok at the expense of all the teams you’re competing against.
@@threeone117 He didn't say it was OK, he said if he had the option to settle out of court he would take it.
None of this has anything to do with City because there is no court, it's not a criminal case.
Genuinely, if this does get settled out of court then every other football club and fan has a responsibility to protest and revolt. This is a joke! Settling out of court implies guilt, everybody knows this. A slippery slope for the FA if they choose this route. It will be the beginning of the end of the Premier league. There simply cannot be any 1 club bigger than the institution.
Its the Premier league trying to settle.
and yet again...
1. It is NOT a criminal case and has NOTHING to do with court. There is no court case.
2. It has NOTHING to do with the FA
3. You are all assuming it is the club that will be settling. The club have nothing to settle, it is the PL who has made the accusations so it is the PL who will have to make a financial settlement for the damage done to the club's reputation.
Still going to protest and revolt? Because the only fans here who should be aggrieved are the City fans who have had to put up with this shite for the past year, and I for one hope it does finish the PL because the current lot in charge want locking up for the damage they have done in what should be the most exciting time EVER for the club and it's followers.
@-A-lm5xb Okay sure, yes, I'm using the word "court" as a figure of speech. You know exactly what I mean though. Yes, it's held by an independent disciplinary commission that will decide the verdict with unlimited powers. Of course both parties would be settling if the independent commission doesn't take place. Why would the PL have to settle for damage done to the clubs reputation if it's never concluded that Man city are actually innocent. Furthermore why the hell would Man city accept a settlement if they have 100% evidence that they have done nothing wrong. It's a win win for them to have the independent disciplinary commission conclude the charges as they would probs get a wack of money for the clubs reputation being damaged and then also the whole world would know they're innocent. Can you not think of one quite obvious reason why Man City wouldn't take this route??? I agree I feel sorry for City fans as they may have to suffer for the idiots in charge of their club, if guilty, but you're acting and talking like you know Man city has done nothing wrong already. I mean you must be a city fan clearly. And yes if the PL doesn't take it to the commission then absolutely there should be protests and revolts as it would stink the entire league out. Protests against the PL and Man City.
@@lezoold9004 Stop talking utter nonsense, The hapless Premier League obviously has no evidence and that’s why they are desperately seeking a way out of the mess that they have created for themselves. These malicious allegations have already been previously thrown out by a proper court of law and only exists because the cartel of American owned clubs demanded it to stifle competition and investment and to protect their position at the top.
@@lezoold9004 It’s perfectly obvious that the hapless Premier League has no evidence to support their malicious allegations and are desperately seeking a way out of the mess they have created for themselves.
So this is all about the Premier League who MUST take a stand for their own integrity on this.....City can offer as much as they want to settle out of court it's on the PL to refuse and insist on the case going through....If they don't it will leave a bad smell hanging over both City and the PL..... it's all about transparency and perception for me....I hope for English football's sake we get to see the evidence and make up our own minds on this whatever the final outcome turns out to be
Would be nice, but we all know that won't happen
Who's to say its City asking for a settlement and not the Premier League?
Is the league settling with City or City settling with the league ? CITY have never settled EVER
Yes of course who is seeking the settlement is the most suspect... absolutely agree....my point remains the same about transparency... somebody will look bad if it isn't resolved openly
@@gedmc1960 The rumour going round is that it is the PL who have broached this subject.
Not having access to the funds that City has is not the only reason why the Prem would want to settle. There is also the risk that City exposes gaps in the FFP rules that would look embarrassing to rest of the top clubs in the Prem. There is reputational risk on both sides; "perceptions of cheating" on the Man City side and "collusion" on the Prem's side.
As a city fan I want to prove our innocence or get done for cheating, I don’t want a settlement, I want to see the evidence it is important for me. I know for others the idea that I think we are innocent is ridiculous and therefore why the day in court is needed, everyone thinks we are guilty. The idea that if you are innocent we should just roll over (settle) is not right, so have the day in court stick to the guns and if we are found guilty take the punishment, but also if found innocent then everyone should stop assuming guilt and get on with holding your own clubs to account rather than blaming city for your failures
I think PL is the entity pushing for settlement in order to save face. This could be another propaganda to further tanish City's integrity. And like you implied, I hope City stick to their gun!!
I want a public trial for all to see simple
Well tough because it's not a criminal case.
This is DISGUSTING. After the league basically "punches down" on Everton and Forest, Citeh with many times MORE breaches of the financial rules, can just "settle" and "make it go away" ... while they add possibly a 6th League Trophy on the bounce to their cabinet. This *stinks to high heaven*!!! If I were Everton or Forest, I'd have my "barristers and solicitors" looking into this!!!!
Hell, all the other 29 clubs should be up in arms about this!!!
Settlements are NOT an admission of guilt. Why is this so hard for people to understand? There are many reasons why two parties would settle. It’s not going to matter what happens either way; rival fans have already made up their minds and regardless of whether they’re cleared, settled, or convicted, the notion they’ve cheated is out there for those who want to believe it. It’s very obvious that the PL bit off more than they could chew. To truly throw the book at someone you need to focus the 115 charges down into the major grievances and pursue those. It’s not up to City to defend themselves, that’s the MAIN point people fail to acknowledge. The onus is solely on the PL to PROVE guilt. So if they can’t, and they settle on lesser charges, then the only people to blame are those at the league office.
115 charges...money talks and bullshit walks
Where's the proof shit for brains? there isn't any is there ? otherwise the fa would have taken it all the way , wouldn't they? it's pissed off wankers like you though hasn't it, you had city hung drawn and quartered, with no proof at all.
I think if you allow them to slide with just a fine it could start a wave of litigation from those teams that have been already punished. I feel if City are innocent then let them prove it through due process. Simple as.
Which is exactly why there is a hearing that will take place on an undisclosed date, and it's in private because the PL wanted it to be heard in private, most likely because they have no evidence and don't want to embarrass themselves in public and are hoping that City will admit to something or give them proof of something. But you can't give proof to somebody if you haven't done anything wrong and there isn't anything to prove, which is probably why the PL are going to have to pay a settlement fee to the club to cover their legal costs etc. and the damage to their reputation over the past year and most likely for many years to come.
This settlement thing isn't real by the way, just speculation that's been put out there, most likely happening now because they know City have two huge matches coming up with the final league match and FA Cup final.
Haven't they taken mancity to court before ? , they charge city for those breaches they claim city commited , i think they paid 100 million dollars , can you rehash an old case that has already been settled ,? I dont like football pundits , this thing going for a couple of years , i have never hear one pundit name one of those 115 charges they sing like a popular song ,
No, not exactly. UEFA, the European League, took City to court but the case couldn't be proven and was easily overturned on appeal. They were trying to impose a fine without any valid evidence. Notable - but never mentioned anywhere - was the UEFA didn't challenge the appeal or even turn up at the hearing. The only fine was for not providing documentation on time, but it was effectively the equivalent of a parking fine to you or me, nothing major. £6 million, or around US$8 million. The current case is more or less based on that one. The 115 charges is really only about 5 or 6 with the same charges supposedly repeated over time, like if you park in that restricted area today that's one charge, if you're still parked there tomorrow that's another charge, and so on.
Relegation to league 2, stripped of all trophies, and transfer ban of 15 years.
I support Manchester City. I'll be honest, I trust what my club is saying about they have proof they are innocent. I'd prefer this is proved in court and we move on. If a settlement happened, I won't be thrilled, because it doesn't prove our point. However, I ultimately believe this will be settled out of court to avoid a messy legal case dominating the news any further. We shall see...
PL needs to get to the bottom of this. Excellent point on PL gaining not losing credibility ...simon is incorrect on that point
There's nothing to get to the bottom of, iff the fa have got any concrete proof of any wrongdoing, get it into court, but they haven't, have they? That's why they're backpedaling, and making themselves look the incompetent fools that they are.
This shouldn't be a surprise seeing how the REFs and VAR officials help Man City. This will be the demise of football if it happens.
You really believe that? Fergie time, 12 man at Anfield getting ref decisions. Champs league City V Spurs ------ VAR was awful.
It all depends on who blinked first. If the PL proposed a settlement, then City can either decline the settlement offer and take their chances in front of the independent panel. The PL's offer would be raised in the judgement and the panel may question why the PL would want to settle, considering all the fanfare the PL made of charging City. Remember the PL made these charges ONE DAY before the Government announced an independent body governing the PL.
Remember Everton and Nottingham Forest admitted to their offences, and that is the reason why the judgement was relatively fast. City have always maintained their innocence, and NO ONE on here knows what evidence either side hold.
I suspect City would win the case and then the PL would be in trouble, including Masterson (CEO) and Brittian (Chair of the PL), who both would have to resign. The charges are so serious, the PL have to prove fraud, which would include collusion of a couple of the 'big 4' auditing companies. Remember their reputations would be at stake if they had the wool pulled over their eyes, and before anyone claims 'they were in it', again their reputation would be destroyed.
The PL have over-stretched themselves in trying to fend off the Government's proposal of an independent body, and they are now trying to save face, at the same time bring City 'on-board' by accepting a settlement, which would be probably be a fine for not co-operating.
One final point, why would Manchester United hire Omar Berrada, whose fingerprints are all over the contracts which the PL were not quite right. United would be accused of not doing their due diligence if City and therefore Berrada were found guilty. Clubs are talking and I think they already know, they have to beat City on the pitch and not into pushing the PL to charge City, to protect the original elite clubs
Exactly this
This cheats must be charged with the harshest punishment. Premier League will lose all the respect if this out of court settlement thing is true. Dock them off points & relegate them, they've already done enough to show they have cheated for so many years & made this league a joke.
The PL needs to settlement, cos they can not prove anything. PL is scared of getting sued by City.
not if there innocent
If they've shown enough to you( by you I mean mostly Liverpool & Arsenal fans) how about you turn up to the courts and help the PL with evidence
WHY is everybody assuming the settlement will be coming from City? As it stands, they are the ones who will be paid a settlement from the PL for the unproven accusations aimed at them. The fact that you're all assuming it's the club that is guilty based on absolutely nothing is disgusting. And yes, I am repeating this comment on reply to many of you who have made libellous comments about the club and I hope they sue the arse off the lot of you.
@@DavidRegaL-lw5xz Great comment - but like the PL they have nothing. You cannot prove something that didn't happen.
If they get of its a fucking utter disgrace an joke
not if there innocent
You have already decided a guilty verdict!
If they get of what? 🤔🤔
You can't even spell a three letter word?
Why settle out of court if your innocent!!
If City did nothing wrong they would not have battled so hard to conceal their guilt and instead would have been open and honest. They clearly were cooking the books to gain an unfair advantage and if this is indeed swept under the carpet the PL will have lost all credibility
unless there lawyers told them to be quiet
Terry this issue must be taken to the courts for the sake of the PL and football in general whether City are guilty or not. A settlement sounds like a stinker and it will do more harm than good to our game. Jordan is completely wrong un his assessment
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PL is facing a significant setback in the case. It appears that Man City has strong grounds to pursue legal action against them for the damages caused to their reputation.
The only settlement out of court should be the removal of all of Citys trophies won during the period and Man City being thrown out of the Premiership,the Championship,Div 1 and Div 2. If City are trying to settle out of court then they are admitting their guilt and a fine even a demotion to div 1:or 2 is not enough.
And what if it's the Prem who wanted to settle out of court? 😂
@@Rainer-mrif that’s the case it’s because they already paid off the right people privately
@@Rainer-mr Not a chance in hell their wouldn't need to be a trial all the premier would do is drop the charges
City are guilty as hell and they will do all they can to buy their way out.
@@paul8409 That doesn't make sense but okay. We beat UEFA's case and we'll beat this one.
@@Rainer-mr It's not one it's over 100 and everybody knows the only way you'll beat anything is to pay people off as usual.
1st thing 1st, the PL would not bring forth charges if they did not have outright evidence of wrongdoing. The issue here is that MC, like with UEFA, are failing to cooperate with PL investigators (this is one of the charges). If an Olympic gold winner refused to give a sample after a race, they would be stripped of said medal as those are the rules. If the athlete waited for a time period and then gave the sample, it would be flawed as any banned substances would have disappeared. This is similar to how MC escaped the payments from Etisalat due to UEFA's time bar. MC were found guilty of many things by UEFA, but were time barred. To receive a fine for not cooperating is better than the other side. Football should be the same as elsewhere in life, fail to cooperate (I'm not blowing into that officer), then you are guilty by default and receive the highest punishment. This would stop all of this nonsense. If the PL came to an out of court settlement, then this would be the biggest embarrassment as they do not have the 5 year time bar rule. They need to push it to the end regardless of outcome.
Horsesh1t, everyone knows why these charges came about, the premier didnt want an independant regulator coming in..they wee told by the govt,get your house in order,TWO DAYS before a govt white was due out? They charged us,coincidence? No..this was the premier league saying look , we have our house i order, its crap, its the PL that has to prove ecerything..as for not cooperating? More horsesh1t,if your accused of a crime, and the police come for you and say, oh,we think you burgled this house, but to ve sure,will you help us prove you did..crap
Sadly this was always going to be the resolution. Take a minute to think about the ramifications for the FA if City were convicted in court regardless of the punishment City received. Lets say that these charges happened over a 5 year period, every relegated team in those 5 seasons would be starting their own claim for damages. After that every team who finished 2nd would brinf forward a claim, every team who missed out on Champions league and Europa league because City finished ahead of them would have a claim and so on.
The FA would face at least 20 different clubs coming forward asking for financial reimbursement at minimum. Lets take the team who finished 5th every season they will state we missed out on 4th because City were allowed to cheat. Each season champions league participation alone is worth north of 80 million. Relegated teams claim to lose 150 million if they are not instantly promoted and so on.
The can of worms would be so great that the FA would never ever be able to solve the issues to all the teams impacted. How do the FA make it right to Liverpool alone who would have 3 or 4 more premier league titles alone???
That is something i have thougt about as well, but if they are found guilty the scenario you are mentioning should be directed at the sheicks who acctually own City and cheated. Found guilty would be so damaging that the EPL should kick out city untill new ownership takes over.
@@k-nut7886 There is no punishment harsh enough but sadly aI think it is such a big case with such a ripple effect it will suit all parties to play it down and brush it under the carpet. Can you imagine the financial hit to the premier league if they relegated the best team in the world right now???
The commercial value of having Pep, Haaland, De Bruyne, Foden and so on in the league is huge. Relegating the team would rsult in every player and all the managers anc coaches leaving. You then have the settlements to all the other teams who have been hindered by the cheating.
After all that the FA will then have to answer as to why they allowed this to happen and never found the cheating years ago. Nottingham Forest and Everton broke the rules this year and were charged this year. Citys cheating went on for a decade and now is taking years to actually bring forward. Every month that passes more teams are being impacted like Arsenal this season and who ever finishes 5th and misses top 4 due to City being ahead of them and so on.
So does that mean that Liverpool, Arsenal, Man United and Newcastle can just go out and spend as much as they want now and then just settle out of court?
If they that I will just know that trophies have to be bought
I want uproar , huge protests same like the super league,,save our game
Have you considered that the PL want to settle as they have realised their “evidence” isn’t going to cut it! Either side can approach the other to discuss settling.
@johnsimmonds5876 then every club can leave the premier league because they can't be trusted simple as that
There is no way this should be covered up. If they are guilty punishment needs to be harsh and for all to see.
As a City fan I would find a 'settlement' unsatisfactory but the argument that City shouldn't want it because the whiff of suspicion would always remain is a nonsense one. This has become so tribal that even if City were to be cleared by the PL, UEFA, CAS, the ECHR, The United Nations, the Pope and the Dali Lama those who want to believe will still believe ....... regardless of the evidence. There is no neutral 'court of public opinion' on this.
Karma has a funny way of working. COME ON FULHAM, COME ON SPURS, COME ON WEST HAM!!!! COYG!!!!!!
Man it football be relaxed arsenal fool
There is old saying
Justice must be done AND be ssen to be done.
I agree, I think City should take the PL to court for libel rathe than accept a settlement from them.
The rot at the FA is nauseating to say the least. Everton, NF and every other club charged has a right to sue the FA.
Man City is toxic all around. What I see week after week with the refs giving them favourable decisions is insane. Along with this controversy. Oh my days 🤦🏽♂️
Nothing to be surprised, money talks.
Just allows other teams to do it if they no that's the worst they will get
The talk of ' not co operating ' baffles me , as a former police officer and to my knowledge , No defence team , in any type of case , if they believe the allegations are unfounded , would ever co operate with the prosecution , why would they ? , the burden of proof surely is on the prosecution as they are the ones making the allegations , it is supposed to be 'innocent until proven otherwise ' isn't it ?.
This makes it sound like the prosecution saying to the defence ' please give us the information so we can prosecute you ', we THINK you have some information that we can use to convict you ', can we have it please ? ' , why on earth would anyone do that ?, it's bizarre
Terry,
this is why we need to have these conversations, as much as some people may not want to. A settlement does not look good for either side. It gives the impression that there was some leniency and/or slap on the wrist, for the violator/offender. It looks weak on the part of the governing body i.e. PL in this instance, and that the accused i.e. Manchester City has something to hide. A lot of times settlements are shrouded in secrecy and come with NDA's which prohibits either party involved from publicly discussing the terms of the settlement. Therefore, it never becomes public knowledge as opposed to court records. The people deserve to know the truth.
Arsenal fan here I assume that with any settlement that there will be restrictions on both parties can or or can’t comment on regarding the situation. So no one ever knows the full story.
Well I think Simon is probably meaning if this runs through to the end that the English game gets tarnished because it took uefa and da Spiegel to highlight those discrepancies which premier league failed to do. Also same with Chelsea league didn’t spot any wrongdoing Chelsea self reported not a good look for premier league.
On the flip if city have unequivocal prof they have done no wrong why lose money in way of fines and not have everything out in public to prove your innocence and leave room for doubt to be cast upon you,
Either way it is a mess and detracts from the achievements and spectacle of the sport on the field.
Have you read the emails? CAS allowed the emails as evidence and concluded they were not evidence of misdeed. They added the comment that UEFA might not have pursued the case, had UEFA had access to evidence provided to CAS.
@@Telssa1only the stuff leaked and that’s irrelevant as I stated if both parties settle and it’s done and dusted there is no proof either way that city did or didn’t do anything.
@@CMWargames I was responding to your assetion that Der Spiegel uncovered discrepancies. They didn't.
This definitely sounds like justice has been served and Man City didn’t pull any favours from behind the scenes. Absolutely disgraceful
What's disgraceful? Yet another idiot assuming City are guilty based on absolutely zero, and now assuming it's City and not the PL who will be paying out a settlement sum. How can you say something is disgraceful when you know absolutely NOTHING about the case?
I think all other clubs especially those punished by the Premier League should go to court. Take Man City and the Premier League to court in Europe
A settlement is best for the PL, no doubt. Taking this to court will open the whole league process to outside discovery. Meaning, we the public get a massive peek behind the curtain. Into how the PL operates and i don't think they want that.
It's best for City, so any settlement will require no admission of guilt and the charges dropped.
A settlement was always going to be the end result.
Wrong.
Firstly, that wouldn't happen.
Secondly, it's literally never going to court because it's in no way a legal matter.
Yes, exactly.
Why did the EPL leave the charges on City's gate in February 2023?
Because the EPL were being grilled by the Government the very next day on their running of the EPL.
What does that say?
The EPL doesn't want the Government prying into how they run their football so City's charges were an attempt at deflection.
When they say City have far more financial clout than the Premier League, what that means is the indian has a lot more power than the chief and their money will prevail over what's right and wrong.
Why not settle the Forest and Everton charges out of court
Because they didn't win multiple titles. Relatively speaking, they're irrelevant. Imagine the PL has to severely punish and double relegate the team that has been champion so many times... it would make a mockery of their brand. That's why they're scared to act.
-they admitted guilt
-court actually had nothing to do with it. It's not a legal matter.
@@kunimitsune177 so why can't the same punishment apply? What's different for Everton and Forest?
Well its not entirely the same, Everton was found guilty in breaching the PL PSR rules which is cheating basically, and they admitted to it. Now with City, the 115 charges are a bit of a tricky thing, you see only 12 of those charges are legitimately connected to cheating. The other 103 are charges related to financials and them telling the PL to go fuck themselves. Now these dont get you in any trouble as they dont really pertain on gaining any advantage at a sporting level. For the PL to punish City they have to prove the breaches on those 12 charges in order get them canned, not the 115.
Terry, I love your vidoes and thoroughly enjoy them. A massive question is because when did Man City become bigger the Premier League. The Premier League was here before them and will out live any club no matter what. The premier league needs to make this known that no one is above the law of the rules and to understand that. Yes, the premier league has meesed up for not seeing this for years but its better late to punishment than nothing at all.
"The Premier League was here before them" No it wasn't. FACTS ignored again. Indeed the first Monday nitht game in the Premier league was City v QPR. A 0-0 bore draw. I was there.
Settlement outside of court would include at least a HUGE point deduction but might save Man City’s PL status. Anyone who thinks they are going to admit guilt and get off Scot free are mad. If city have proof why would they settle? They are looking to try and save their skin and avoid a relegation or a double relegation
A settlement doesn't look back on us, at all. It doesn't matter what happens now as the FA have foxed themselves by doing this and we'll have this accusation anyway.
If the FA had evidence... PROPER EVIDENCE they'd chase down City but, like other teams, they'll run out of steam and give up as we play their game around them. Let them spend their billions on it!
That would be HILARIOUS!!
Nothing screams guilty like settling out of court
TalkSport have it the wrong way around (no surprise there). The rumour is that the PL is looking to settle, not City!
That doesn’t make them feel better.
Corruption is world wide I expected something of that nature, money is true cause of evil
Sunlight is the best disinfectant - one way or another we need to know if Man City cheated or not. Without it a big question mark still hangs over the club and the league
115 Charges FC are looking more guilty by the day. If they are allowed to pay their way out of charges, then what does that say to Everton and the other teams who got immediate punishments and docked points. The Premier League doesn't look bad punishing one of their teams for financial doping, they look bad if they let them buy their way out and move on. If this is true there will be 19 angry teams who could have won leagues, European places etc if City cheated for the past 10+ years.
omg a gulf state with infinite money has managed to come to a "settlement"
who saw this coming? I'm so shocked 😂😂😂 corruption
If this ever happens this league will officially be dead cause what do they mean settlement?
Football doesn't exist without fans, who gives a shit about Man city, didnt do much until 2008.
Cant be 1 rule for 1 and 1 for others.
Teams like Juventus, Rangers etc demote them down a few leagues with points deduction to make sure others like Newcastle can't be new city.
You mean city are holding up and buying out the 115 charges disgrace to every football fan in the country
As a Forest fan, what a complete joke if that happens
They must be treated the same as Everton etc and it should be retrospective punishment too ie stripped of titles they won by cheating
Everton were guilty, they admitted it, City most probably are not.
Prince Andrew nabbed £13 million of OUR money off his mum to wriggle out of a very serious crime and keep the young lady concerned from dragging him to the US to account for his actions. Settlements out of court ALWAYS point to culpability, regardless of the truth. Innocent people don't fear the judicial system [by and large]. Everton [for example] should consider themselves very hard done by if such an out of court arrangement is accommodated. So should every team that lost to City in a final or came 2nd in the league. In fact, such an arrangement would render the governing body of British football unfit for purpose and smack of corruption - much like FIFA I suppose. If the raft of Premier league lawyers haven't done their due diligence and made 100% sure these 115 charges are waterproof - they are going to look VERY silly should City wriggle out of it. Dump the governing body if that happens.
There is no basis for the settlement rumor, they were bot accounts on Twitter. Mark was never given a cease and desist and if they were to settle out of court say goodbye to any credibility the Prem had and FIFA.
Who said there is no corruption in the premier league!! Clearly the rules doesn’t apply to certain clubs if there was ever a settlements for Man City the premier league is dead !!
If this were to happen then the other 19 clubs need to grow a pair and leave the EPL and start a new Premier Division. End of. Otherwise this will taint every season going forward. This is not about jealousy it's about fairness. While settling out of court is not exactly an admission of guilt it is an admission of wrongdoing but using the cost and timescale of a court case to escape true punishment. Shameful!
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Facts premier league can't be trusted simple enough if they want to settle it out of court
**PL*
If you can't get the name of the league right you don't get an opinion.
If City were able to settle out of court, which would effectively be an admission of guilt, then I am done with football. End of. The game has never had a level playing field, but there are rules and regulations that should be applicable to everyone, irrespective of their status or wealth. A single club. No matter how rich, should never have dominion over the game’s ruling bodies.
I agree with you Terry. S settlement would not clear City nor help the Premier league. Its an acceptance of guilt but not properly proven
ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!