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I already can't kill Sinestra and Nefarian xd they are a lot harder than Lk, ragnaros will be a real nightmare even with the nerf, especially for the fight duration that doesn't allow many attempts in a 3 hour raid night..
Because cata idiot purged most vanilla to lk players. If you are still having trouble now assuming you have been raiding sense cata launch you or your guildies are trash.@@bloodnva6745
@@nikolaykertev2457 The stats say it, most guilds still didn't manage to kill them and phase is ending While Lk Hc became pretty much the normality at the end of the phase Probably you consider them easy because the healers in your team are carrying hard and as a dps you don't even notice it
My 10man cleared the 4 bosses you can currently kill within 2 hours on heroic with hardly any unintentional wipes. Granted, my group is a bunch of exceptional pumpers but this feels orders of magnitude easier than t11 prog went for us. Will see about the other 3 bosses, especially rag, but i never expected it to be like this.
It's funny, Cata Classic's only been out for 3 and a half months now and a lot of people think the content's dragging. Starting to think Firelands only being 3 months might be more than enough time for the phase after all.
You cannot help but understand what this is connected with. The second phase did not produce raids, otherwise there would be fewer such conversations. But in any case, there are many players who still continue to have fun in raids.
Did the Heroic Firelands PTR last night with my guild. The first 6 bosses were disappointingly easy. Both tanks wearing full heroic T11 dps gear and trinkets. Everything just fell over in a handful of pulls.
Do you have any information about the increased difficulty dungeons that were in last week's blue post about the PTR? "Welcome to the Cataclysm Classic Firelands PTR. This patch will include the Firelands raid, the Elemental Bonds questline, the legendary staff Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa’s Rest, some minor guild updates, and the new increased challenge difficulty option for dungeons. Some of these features are not available for testing yet, and will be added to the PTR over the next several weeks."
Hate reading all the comments people saying p1/2 is been to long or we should of been in fire lands weeks ago. We get it you play 20 hours a day. Not everyelse does maybe few hours daily max so the longer each phase the better normal players dont feel rushed to do everything. I still think it could be longer allow for leveling more alts to raid and pvp with.
It seems like they are missing their opportunity to rewrite history and make cata as great as it could have been. It's a real shame. Doesn't bode well for WoD either
The problem for that is SoD in my opinion. They thought, Cata would be a failure, so they made an alternative for Classic players and put most their resources into that.
@@Lotuswalker The fact is that SoD is about 100% less interesting to me than cataclysm, so I would never call the old vanilla, even with an upgrade, an alternative to the more modern cataclysm classic.
@@Lotuswalker SOD is not the problem. The problem is that Tier 11 lasted too long. Should have been 11 or 12 weeks and then Firelands. People get bored doing the same thing every week.
I'd love for them to implement the post nerf BWD / BOT / Throne fights (the 20% change) just so we can get through the raids a bit faster as we gear up for Firelands... I know they implemented the bugs and fixes, but the actual nerf would go a long way in shortening run times.
@@hexecute1573 yes, if you are only counting the pulls and / or are a speed running guild… but a vast majority of players are not, and a vast majority of raiders still haven’t downed Heroic Nefarian and Council and gone 13/13H. So, cool for you and I’m stoked you can do that, but I didn’t write it for you. And even if you are in and out in 60 minutes on all bosses in all raids (which you’re not), wouldn’t you like it to be 45?
Idk especially 25man t11, compared to 10m, feels quite easy and forgiving and ive been clearing it in a mediocre alt group in 2hours, with 5-10 total wipes for the past couple of weeks. I feel ike its in a decent spot.
It's crazy that we aren't going to get heroic+ this xpac but it happened so soon in WotLK. Really is a tell as to how much blizz care about Cata. Seems like they've just given up on this xpac.
I hope rag will be nerfed that's for sure, other bosses staying pre nerf I'm ok, rag might be a bit too difficult in my opinion, for a fight that lasts so long. I think there should be a difficulty that's a sweet spot between vanilla and retail, "just hard enough" to be challenging and make everyone super happy when killing the bosses after maybe 30-60 wipes, and "not hard enough" to cause massive guild disband or replace less competitive friends, T11 seems to be pretty good in that regard, the difficulty feels "just right" for the most part, I hope T12 stays that way.
I mean for f-sake Blizzard, they're giving us 2 days notice to prepare for Firelands on the PTR. Those of us who are wanting to hop onto the PTR to get some Firelands experience, aren't the ones who are in need of gear from the Molten Front vendor. I love that they're giving us Molten Front dailies quite well in advance but this definitely frustrates me when it comes to planning for PTR practice.
bro the raid came out 18 years ago how much practice do you need? also its not gunna change much your guild will either down all bosses heroic in the first 2months or they never will. pretty straight forward. Also its classic wow literally noone cares man. this is coming from someone in a top 100 US guild currently in cata classic
@@Gambleraddict79 Personally I never had the chance to play Cataclysm back in the day so this has been my first rodeo and I've been enjoying the crap out of it. Just because this came out 18 years ago, means that I shouldn't be excited or prepared for the release?
@@Gambleraddict79 So you played firelands for 18 years? 😂 But then age doesn't matter, even Retail and Sod that have new stuff, after few hours you already get full tutorials on how to do everything And you don't consider the fact many players in classic are playing these expansions for the first time, you know, not everyone play the same game for 20 years straight 😅
No exactly but it's a solved expansion you can look up start to finish guides now. Yes you still have to do it but we aren't going in blind.@@patrickodonoghue5188
It would be a better choice indeed, considering most guilds for many weeks will be busy in progressing previous bosses and won't even touch ragnaros hc, regardless of the nerf But let's be honest, at hardcore levels nobody care of boss difficulty, those dudes only care of dps meters
firelands is a joke even on heroic. all of the bosses took less than 10 pulls for us and we're a dad guild. we didnt pull rag yet but people say it's about a 50 pull boss with current gear which means probably a 30 pull boss with normal+ firelands gear. It's a real shame as almost everyone who wanted to play cata was playing because of the firelands raid. we dont want some gutted ass version of firelands when the players are magnitudes better than they were 14 years ago. the real reason is because there is no work being done on cata besides the bare minimum. it would take very little work to bring back prenerf values for firelands and they cant even do that. hell bugs are still present from beta 6 months ago.
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MOLTEN FRONT DAILIES HYPE YEAH LETS GO
If guilds fell apart and struggled this much with H LK. Imagine with Ragnaros. Do people have any idea just how tough that fight is pre nerf.
I already can't kill Sinestra and Nefarian xd they are a lot harder than Lk, ragnaros will be a real nightmare even with the nerf, especially for the fight duration that doesn't allow many attempts in a 3 hour raid night..
Because cata idiot purged most vanilla to lk players. If you are still having trouble now assuming you have been raiding sense cata launch you or your guildies are trash.@@bloodnva6745
@@bloodnva6745 Sinestra and Nefarian are a lot easier than lk wtf...
@@matthieuleclere6835 Exactly, no idea what people are smoking lol.
@@nikolaykertev2457 The stats say it, most guilds still didn't manage to kill them and phase is ending
While Lk Hc became pretty much the normality at the end of the phase
Probably you consider them easy because the healers in your team are carrying hard and as a dps you don't even notice it
My 10man cleared the 4 bosses you can currently kill within 2 hours on heroic with hardly any unintentional wipes.
Granted, my group is a bunch of exceptional pumpers but this feels orders of magnitude easier than t11 prog went for us.
Will see about the other 3 bosses, especially rag, but i never expected it to be like this.
Credit where credit is due, releasing molten front early was a good decision. Ty blizzard and Scott for raising it
Molten front originally launched a month prior for all the reason discussed. I’m sure this was already the plan again
Four minutes. No intro. Straight to the point. Yes.
Anyone that is advocating for pre-nerf Ragnaros doesn’t care about the long term health of Cata.
There are much more casuals than all other players and Blizzard understands that the game should be aimed at the majority.
Dw noone is advocating for it (noone gives a shit about crapaclysm 😂😂😂)
@@boarderz8275 Fantastic insight 😀
@@XxKinGzxX100 no worries, cataclysm is a terrible game, it's wild that they decided to remake such a shitty game 🤣🤣🤣
@@boarderz8275 why are you so invested in comments on a Cata video? Weird for a guy who hates the game so much
I have the impression that classic is the most successful version of the game, and yet it's the one that's completely abandoned.
It needs to be challenging but it has to be accessible to the players. Hard enough to get a consistent 25man together
I have just started working on getting a 25 together and its daunting
P1 feels like 3 years
We are in phase 2, Sir
It's funny, Cata Classic's only been out for 3 and a half months now and a lot of people think the content's dragging. Starting to think Firelands only being 3 months might be more than enough time for the phase after all.
You cannot help but understand what this is connected with. The second phase did not produce raids, otherwise there would be fewer such conversations. But in any case, there are many players who still continue to have fun in raids.
I totally feel this. Wrath classic did it right except when ulduar was a super long phase.
Y'all might be Guild raiders but gdkp and pugs are dying cause of releasing p2 so late
Did the Heroic Firelands PTR last night with my guild. The first 6 bosses were disappointingly easy. Both tanks wearing full heroic T11 dps gear and trinkets. Everything just fell over in a handful of pulls.
that's not a good sign
ragnaros heroic is post nerf too... rag has 246m (instead of 290m), adds have around 15% less hp and the geyser mechanic doesn’t exist
Do you have any information about the increased difficulty dungeons that were in last week's blue post about the PTR?
"Welcome to the Cataclysm Classic Firelands PTR.
This patch will include the Firelands raid, the Elemental Bonds questline, the legendary staff Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa’s Rest, some minor guild updates, and the new increased challenge difficulty option for dungeons.
Some of these features are not available for testing yet, and will be added to the PTR over the next several weeks."
since "blizzard see your videos" i hope they bring 2s tittles back in MOP classic, cause arena section right now is dead, LFG is dead as my ex...
Hate reading all the comments people saying p1/2 is been to long or we should of been in fire lands weeks ago. We get it you play 20 hours a day. Not everyelse does maybe few hours daily max so the longer each phase the better normal players dont feel rushed to do everything. I still think it could be longer allow for leveling more alts to raid and pvp with.
It seems like they are missing their opportunity to rewrite history and make cata as great as it could have been. It's a real shame. Doesn't bode well for WoD either
The problem for that is SoD in my opinion. They thought, Cata would be a failure, so they made an alternative for Classic players and put most their resources into that.
They are just cashing out on classic players that’s why there is little dev support, they banking on the game time.
@@Lotuswalkerwell cata has 5x more population than sod
@@Lotuswalker The fact is that SoD is about 100% less interesting to me than cataclysm, so I would never call the old vanilla, even with an upgrade, an alternative to the more modern cataclysm classic.
@@Lotuswalker SOD is not the problem. The problem is that Tier 11 lasted too long. Should have been 11 or 12 weeks and then Firelands. People get bored doing the same thing every week.
Blizzard already tried to kill cata by releasing mop remix at the same time, they give no shits about cata
Thoughts of a drunk man.
"Blizzard have listened " 😅😅😅😅
I'd love for them to implement the post nerf BWD / BOT / Throne fights (the 20% change) just so we can get through the raids a bit faster as we gear up for Firelands... I know they implemented the bugs and fixes, but the actual nerf would go a long way in shortening run times.
Faster? They are like 25 min raids and throne is 6 mins
@@hexecute1573 yes, if you are only counting the pulls and / or are a speed running guild… but a vast majority of players are not, and a vast majority of raiders still haven’t downed Heroic Nefarian and Council and gone 13/13H. So, cool for you and I’m stoked you can do that, but I didn’t write it for you.
And even if you are in and out in 60 minutes on all bosses in all raids (which you’re not), wouldn’t you like it to be 45?
Idk especially 25man t11, compared to 10m, feels quite easy and forgiving and ive been clearing it in a mediocre alt group in 2hours, with 5-10 total wipes for the past couple of weeks. I feel ike its in a decent spot.
Some thing needs to happen servers seem dead we need more content i
It's crazy that we aren't going to get heroic+ this xpac but it happened so soon in WotLK. Really is a tell as to how much blizz care about Cata. Seems like they've just given up on this xpac.
If you want reid gear - kill reid boss.
Heroic+= sucks
@@alexandrkylakov2074 We want content.
I just don’t understand how blizz can make such huge mistakes over and over…they are just so bad at running a game
I hope rag will be nerfed that's for sure, other bosses staying pre nerf I'm ok, rag might be a bit too difficult in my opinion, for a fight that lasts so long. I think there should be a difficulty that's a sweet spot between vanilla and retail, "just hard enough" to be challenging and make everyone super happy when killing the bosses after maybe 30-60 wipes, and "not hard enough" to cause massive guild disband or replace less competitive friends, T11 seems to be pretty good in that regard, the difficulty feels "just right" for the most part, I hope T12 stays that way.
nice
I mean for f-sake Blizzard, they're giving us 2 days notice to prepare for Firelands on the PTR. Those of us who are wanting to hop onto the PTR to get some Firelands experience, aren't the ones who are in need of gear from the Molten Front vendor. I love that they're giving us Molten Front dailies quite well in advance but this definitely frustrates me when it comes to planning for PTR practice.
bro the raid came out 18 years ago how much practice do you need? also its not gunna change much your guild will either down all bosses heroic in the first 2months or they never will. pretty straight forward. Also its classic wow literally noone cares man. this is coming from someone in a top 100 US guild currently in cata classic
@@Gambleraddict79 Personally I never had the chance to play Cataclysm back in the day so this has been my first rodeo and I've been enjoying the crap out of it. Just because this came out 18 years ago, means that I shouldn't be excited or prepared for the release?
@@Gambleraddict79 So you played firelands for 18 years? 😂
But then age doesn't matter, even Retail and Sod that have new stuff, after few hours you already get full tutorials on how to do everything
And you don't consider the fact many players in classic are playing these expansions for the first time, you know, not everyone play the same game for 20 years straight 😅
No exactly but it's a solved expansion you can look up start to finish guides now. Yes you still have to do it but we aren't going in blind.@@patrickodonoghue5188
PTR is for Testing not Practicing
I reckon they should do pre-nerf for a few weeks and give an achieve for it
It would be a better choice indeed, considering most guilds for many weeks will be busy in progressing previous bosses and won't even touch ragnaros hc, regardless of the nerf
But let's be honest, at hardcore levels nobody care of boss difficulty, those dudes only care of dps meters
firelands is a joke even on heroic. all of the bosses took less than 10 pulls for us and we're a dad guild. we didnt pull rag yet but people say it's about a 50 pull boss with current gear which means probably a 30 pull boss with normal+ firelands gear. It's a real shame as almost everyone who wanted to play cata was playing because of the firelands raid. we dont want some gutted ass version of firelands when the players are magnitudes better than they were 14 years ago. the real reason is because there is no work being done on cata besides the bare minimum. it would take very little work to bring back prenerf values for firelands and they cant even do that. hell bugs are still present from beta 6 months ago.
Firelands was never difficult
My cata guild died lol. War within killed it
Gdkp is still thriving
🤮
Make it easy blizz u buncha bums. Still hasnt killed Nef Hc.
Retail is looking so much more tempting than classic right now
this is old content.. i dont understand why there needs to be a ptr or bugs that need fixed.. as if it hasnt already been ironed out years ago already
Trash expansion. Let’s hope this phase is as good as peeps are making it out to be.
trash opinion
@@Mediiiicc popular opinion. Numbers speak for themselves. Now go cry
@@MJ-di6ze The numbers that blizz doesn't release? lol
@@Mediiiicc “lollll” official numbers from bliZ are not the only way to gauge numbers lolll
@@MJ-di6ze cope