Some notes. Updated 25/10 14:40 CET (I'll keep updating this, expect a LOT more soon) - Testing is done in the High Power profile. There is definitely a bug when you set it to balanced, but that doesn't apply here. - Core Isolation is disabled for our testing. - Some testing was done with regular DDR5 and CUDIMM kits to exclude either a particular memory kit or just CUDIMMS in general. That doesn't seem to be the case. - Currently running a lot more testing with different memory speeds and Core Isolation on/off. Will probably be a follow up video, just don't expect anything like that to magically make the 265K compete with the 7800X3D in games. (I just hope we can at least fix some things like poor CS2 / MSFS performance) - Re: why we choose to test multiple resolutions, and/or higher settings: The goal isn't to have every single game be CPU bound, in that case we might as well test everything on 720p low. The goal is to find a wide test suite that we can apply to both CPU and GPU reviews, where generally we'll focus more on 1080p data with CPU launches (mostly being CPU limited), and 4K with GPU launches (mostly GPU limited). As the data shows, it's more complicated and you can't just say "4K is GPU bound = buy whatever CPU" anymore, even for 1440p and 4K (high/ultra) your CPU choice can and will have a big impact and is something that deserves looking into. As always. If you have questions, just ask!
Gamers nexus seem to have good numbers with DDR5 8600, definitely would like to see a CUDIMM motherboard comparison at matching memory frequencies to a Standard DIMM slot DDR5
Thank you for testing the Core 7 version. Like you said, everyone else is focused on the Core 9, so its great to have a Day-1 review of the midrange processor.
Thank you for testing Microsoft Flight Simulator! That is the most important game for me and most youTube channels do not test it in their comparisons.
@@TechTesters I wish some reviewers test economy games - CPU there is ultra important and its very easy to test in comparison to other games - heck factorio have command line benchmark that is ready to be automated - no need to even run a game.
@@MrFiideell Meanwhile Cities Skylines 2 in the background... Although I guess its a harder game to benchmark, need to download custom savegame, open devmenu and look at simulation speeds, not as easy as checking FPS and it doesnt go hand in hand with other results either.
I wish all reviewers had the same sensible style that you do (Jarrod's Tech is another) where you can just review the product very diligently and then state where it sits on the 'bad product/good product' spectrum without tryhard drama and editorials about the 'bad' aspects. Thank you!
Part of that is because in the last 4-5 years almost all these products were underwhelming compared to years prior. Every 25+ years old enthusiast feels the same with these releases.
Apparently there's a windows bug that causes massive memory latency unless you disable VBS or update to the latest version of 24h2. With those workarounds the memory latency apparently goes way down and performance goes up.
I'll pin a comment in a sec. But you're right, there is a bug (actually, multiple). But our testing is done with Core Isolation disabled and it's on the high power profile. So that issue does not apply here.
Appreciate the look at the middle processor and look forward to further coverage. It is going to be interesting to see what things configuration wise will impact performance the most. This is basically what I expected gaming wise given how Intel was hedging their bets. It seems like when it comes to energy efficiency and multithreaded there aren't any asterisks with Arrow Lake, but gaming sure is. Given that memory latency is a problem for Arrow Lake it will be interesting to see if there will turn out to be any settings that will help.
Yeah. As expected the 265K annihilates the 7800X3D in normal applications. In gaming the 7800X3D is superior. Not surprising, since the 7800X3D also beats other AMD CPU’s in gaming including the new 9000 series.
Nice that you tested the 265K. I have mainly seen test of the 285K, but the 265K seem like the more reasonable choice for gamers. But it is a little hard to get the full picture when only testing up against 1 other CPU. But at least they cost about the same (today, the 7800X3D has become a lot more expensive😥) I have yet to se much about the 245K 🤷♂
Thanks! And it's just a matter of time, you only have a certain number of days to test pre-launch so you have to make choices. More CPUs would mean fewer games or removing some resolutions, and I figured it'd be best if I deep dive into this direction. More CPUs and more data will definitely follow soon!
@@TechTesters oh, I know how much work it takes. And if all the reviewers did the same thing I would only watch one. But because they do something different it is interesting to watch them all. But I still don't feel like I understand these CPU's yet. The head to head with the 7800X3D makes sense, I think it was fun. Der8auer focused on the options for OCing the CPUS, I think that was interesting. Gamers Nexus focused on the power efficiency, I always like that, it is fun to me 🙂. Hardware Unboxed tested different windows versions , this might help explain why the results are all over the place. These are all very different and I think the consumer benefits from having alle these different points of views when deciding what hardware to buy. But I have yet to find a review that includes all 3 K CPU's vs 7X3D, 9000X and 14000's CPUs. And I guess the 9000X3D's are coming soon, probably replacing the 7000X3D's. So we will probably get a lot of CPU benchmarks over the next months. For now the full picture remains out of focus for me. Looking forward to your next CPU video 🙂
The 7800X3D is the top gaming CPU. and at a similar price the comparison choice seems very solid, we all know the 7800X3D can do as its now over 1.5 years old.
@@Mike-Dynamike 900$ candian dollars is not the same as USD... IDK why Candians and Australians think that 900$ for them is like 900$ for someone in the US. And no I'm not from the US.
@@AbbasDalal1000 if you’re equating negativity to being genuine, I have to disagree wholeheartedly. Some content creators go out of their way to use negativity as a crutch to get views and engagement. I prefer the information be presented in an objective fashion. That’s all.
Very informative video. Thanks so much for all the time and effort it must’ve taken to do it. When you do a review of the 9800X3D, I’m sure you’ll be including comparisons to the current Intel generation and when you do if you could include 4K data I know I would really appreciate it.
Thank you for doing all these reviews and tests on new PC parts. Amazing job, to the point and really helpful for us consumers. Keep up the great work!
Thank you so much for posting this excellent review of the Core Ultra 7 265K. I really like how you present the game performance results and I agree with all your conclusions. The videography is outstanding. Your videographer deserves a nice Christmas bonus. (Smile.) You certainly are busy! Thank you again for such a superbly presented review.
Thank you for testing!❤ I heard that using windows 11 23h2 and turning off c-state in bios would help improve ultra 200k's performance in games. But anyway, really hard to believe that intel 15th-gen cpus perform not as expected in games.
What a mess. After the last issues with 13th and 14th gen, one would have expected that Intel made absolutely certain that this was a perfect launch, even if it had to be delayed. I am glad that I have moved to AMD, even though I might never be able to afford the current generation. Thanks for a great review.
@@Criptooooo depends a bit what you need it for, the 9800 and 7800 are Slighty differently in performance, both kick intel 's a.... though;-) i put a bequiet blackrock 5 pro cooler on it. doesn't go warmer than 55 celcius:)
WOW I'm impressed Someone actually do test on MMORPGs especially Throne and Liberty and not just some single player games like every body else. This is rare.
Nice work. Thanks! Gotta wonder what's up with Intel Engineering. Waited a while post launch, picked up the 7800x3D and never looked back. I'll have to revisit blue team in a year or two ... maybe .. maybe not.
I like this clean, straightforward approach to a CPU review. One thing I am curious is how it competes against something like a Ryzen 9700X, which would be its current-gen competitor for productivity workloads. Otherwise the conclusion seems pretty foregone; the now last-gen 7800X3D still trouncing it as you've shown in basically everything is quite the mess.
Thank you . The addition of thunderbolt to many of the mother boards is quite good . For some of us users gaming is secondary . Music production and animation production are the priority . I wonder if the audio companies will go with thunderbolt more ?
Thank you for being the only tech reviewer of the new Intel CPUs that actually puts the benchmarks into a non-upper-management perspective. So many tech reviewers treat it like it's a contest instead of a product, whoever crosses the finish line first wins in those videos
I love the honest and straight forward approach. Cutting through the marketing BS is the reason we love reviewers that know their stuff, and you're one of my favs. Thank you for keeping it real.
Results should be more interesting in a month when everything will have been optimized. Also if you remove gaming perf I think it's looking as an upgrade in everything else, more computing power for less watts.
Core isolation disabled you get a sub just for that. This is the best way to see what I am running at 4k. I will be here for your 285k results. Thank you.
LUCKILY I CANCELLED MY PURCHASE OF THE ULTRA 7 AND ASUS Z890 HERO YESTERDAY! WILL WAIT NOW FOR ISSUES TO BE SORTED OUT! LESSON IS: NEVER, NEVER, EVER, EVER BUY PC GAMING RIGS / PARTS AT LAUNCH!
@@christiansalim Will stay ultra 7, but going to wait 2-3 months to see if intel can sort out issues and then I'll make a call! Just wish that intel can fix multi e-core issues, to be utilized in gaming, seeing that amd is going to release 9900x3d next month on the 7th, if I'm not mistaken!? Probably going to be a monster, leaving intel even further behind!?
CPU manufacturers are now doing what games have been doing for years…just get it out there then patch the bugs out of it for the next year or so. Thank you for the multi resolution graphs. 😊 Great vid as usual.
I was so forward to looking at this new CPU and was ready to buy. Then as the results came in I wasn't sure because I was not and do not play the games that most people play. But you put the nail in the coffin for this new cpu, because the game I do play is flight simulator. Wasn't ready to join the AMD team, because my last for builds were all Intel with no problems. But I guess once the 7800 ex 3D price drops back to normal I will finally join the AMD team. Thank you for reviewing the new processors with flight simulator, which most reviewers seem to ignore.
Maybe wait just a little bit. We're testing some more variables right now, specifically looking at some of the "problem" games like MSFS and CS2. I don't have all the results yet but there are some signs that different memory might just improve some things, at least a little bit.
Such honesty 😊 i really fear when we go down/low in nanometers process. it seems unstable, less reliable and we can't see how it could behave. Improvement, yes, but a litte mote common sense. more or Moore ? 🤗
Great video, it's helped me with my upgrade path. I've always liked Intel, but not anymore. I have a 13900k and it's very unstable with the current microcode. Well I'll be switching to AMD when the 9800x3d comes out. This will be the first time I buy an AMD CPU.
I think we kinda had a similar situation when AM5 launched back in 2022 where because of it being a new architecture, windows updates and bois issues it sometimes even fell behind AM4 let alone Intel 13th gen CPUs but it got better over time when updates got released as everyone especially game devs learned how to make their games work with it, that being said I kinda thought Intel would do better when it comes to this stuff
This is what I want to see. 😍 BTW By the bad performance, it looks like it just came from most of the old title games like 3-4 years ago. Because on 8:47 this year games like black myth and Star Wars are just not that different
Most launches of new platforms seem to have 3-6 months of updates before all the kinks are ironed out, but in this case the issues seem way bigger than normal. Would probably avoid Arrow Lake for the next 9-12 months if I wanted a good experience without issues.
I went with the 14700K with my 4090 build. I was debating between that and the 7800X3D, decided to stick with Intel since that's all I've ever owned. I've had to update my bios like 4 times because of their ''stability'' patches. I'm happy with the performance but if Intel doesn't improve (mostly in the power consumption department which they're at least doing better now), AMD is getting my money next time especially since my PC is strictly for gaming. This is a very disappointing launch for Intel especially after all of the 13th-14th gen drama... Great video as always!
So the AMD chip which is 100% gaming focused runs better in games. WOW! While the intel chip, which is jack of all trades, runs quite well or very well in games while seriously outperformimg the AMD chip in other tasks - something the AMD fanboys locked 20 out of 24 hours per day in the basement seem to completely ignore. The Core Ultra 7 is not a bad chip at all.
Yes but AMD fans want intel to be better so we can buy amd for cheaper price No joke if Intel isn't stepping up there gaming capabilities X3D chips will cost arm and a leg already they have skyrocketed to %40 in price
@@jrherita Agreed. Competition is good and a strong Intel will force AMD to not be complacent. That happened in the 2000s and early 2010s when Intel bragged about their “tick-tock” R&D approach which led to a decade of stagnation in the CPU area
I have a 12700k and want to upgrade to a newer platform since I'm also still on DDR4 and while the X3D part wins in gaming its only 8 cores 16 threads while my current CPU is 12 core 20 threads. Going for a 265k with 20 full cores seems far more enticing for that multithreaded goodness. a 9950X3D with cache on both CCDs would be excellent but that's not confirmed and its unknown when that will even release.
I have a 7800X3D and it's not lost on me that this 265K is twice as fast in productivity workloads. That's wild! Unfortunately for Intel all I do is game 😂. If Windows 11 and game engines get patched to work better with Arrow Lake, things may get interesting.
CS2 data looks really bad. It's barely going over 300 FPS while the AMD can easily do 500+. We're looking into it more now to see exactly what's going on there.
@@Lookingformorefun Duh, it's a 8 core CPU vs a 20 core CPU. Check other reviews versus the 7950X3D and later this year the 9800X3D and 9950X3D. The 9800X3D should be 5-10% faster than the 9800X3D for non-high core load games, and 10-15% faster for simulation / high core usage games just because the clocks should be decently higher. As long as they don't have the 9800X3D use more than 10W more power on average, it'll still be 40-50W (65-80W AMD vs 105-125W Intel) less power in games and better efficiency than the 7800X3D. For multicore AND gaming, you'll have a 9950X3D, and if AMD again, allows PBO overclocking/tuning when they release it in January, it should be close enough to the 285K+9950X in all-core work but still have even higher efficiency. I saw a review where the 7950X3D matches, or was a bit faster than the 285K in games, and in productivity, was about 10-15% slower *BUT* used 60-80% less power still than the 285K (160-170W vs 230-250W). Unless you *really need* the extra 10-15% performance, that comes with *more expensive memory and boards* (ie, a $200 X670E and $100 RAM does everything, with support for any 7000/9000 Ryzen) then there's nothing special about the 285K or 265K plus all the performance consistency issues that have been mostly worked out on even the 7950X3D and better/could not be an issue with the 9950X3D
Thanks for the review. Unless something goes wrong, I don't think I'll upgrade my CPU until sometime in 2026. My 10700 still does fine for the games I play.
I assume this cpu design was fundamentally set in stone, a year or two ago, before the worst 13/14 series issues hit the fan. If people have a dodgy i7 / i9 LGA1700 cpu, they'd prefer to have a fully functioning reliable version of their existing cpu, more than "upgrading" to these.
Great point at the end, wintel ment stable launches in the past, this was still a purchasing concern for a lot of people who still daily Intel. This launch is messy. Kinda like Ryzen v1
Much cooler it can be air cooled just like a zen3 5800x3d. As a gaming/solution/cpu. Given its 300$ usd at microcenter its definitely a better option than a 7600X3D for the money.
Great review! Pretty shocking differences, also in 4k. I hope the new X3D line up will have a better all-in-one proccesor. Something Intel clearly doesn't have this generation. Dankjewel!
I feel like these specs are not accurate because intel included power delivery from the ATX rail in addition to the EPS. I hope you update your review to reflect this.
What i understand if i am not a Gamer and want to work on Blender, After Effects, Premiere Pro, Da Vinci Resolve, and i am building a PC from scratch, i can surely go for Intel Core Ultra Series. And i know i won't be using CPU for Rendering, i will definitely go with atleast 4070tisuper or may be with a next gen 70 series card of Nvidia.
I would still wait a little bit to see what is wise in terms of memory choice, but you're right: for non gaming stuff this is a good step. I just wanted to dive more into one area, knowing other reviewers will cover the CPU more broadly anyway :)
@@TechTesters Yup, I need to wait for a new gen GPU from Nvidia, but looking forward to Arc Battlemage GPU as well. Both are a minimum of 3 Months away from Today, Till then, plenty of performance information will become available. Thanks for yours and will wait for future ones as well.
At this point I'd probably recommend to wait at least a week or 2-3 more to see what happens with these CPUs and how AMD's new X3D chip does. It also depends on what you plan to do with it :)
I'm not surprised, the 7800X3D is really something special. Intel needs to figure out the 3D V-cache. The improvement in power efficiency is nice to see though although still a ways away. Wasn't considering their CPUs after the degradations issues for the last couple generations and their prices but hopefully this is the beginning of Intel turning things around. It will be interesting to see how the decision to no longer have hyperthreading will effect their performance in things like video editing going forward. edit: after watching the Hardware Unboxed review of the Ultra 9 where they go into a bit more detail on the "mess" that Nada mentioned maybe it's not quite the beginning of a turnaround that I would have like to seen. Hopefully at the very least they won't have the same degradation issues.
@@Killswitch1411 considering they're called "gaming PCs" and that is the main area where people watching videos like this are looking for performance I'd say that's pretty relevant.
@@TheEvdiggity never said it was irrelevant, people watching these videos watch for more than gaming as well. I wouldn't buy a x3d for the fact it does poorly on non gaming tasks and it's worth taking the slight gaming hit for my use case.
@@Killswitch1411 I know there are more use cases but when the video in which the comment is made has 40 GAMES tested each at 3 different resolutions the focus is pretty obvious. I also have other use cases but the 7800X3D is also amazing in terms of it's efficiency. The latest Gamers Nexus video shows this in great detail. Taking this into consideration it is all around a pretty amazing CPU which is probably why the price recently went from about $350 to $500/sold out. Trying to be dismissive of it just makes you look like an Intel fanboy.
@@TheEvdiggity calling me a fanboy makes you look stupid, sorry but I Don't even own a Intel system right now. There were also other tests besides games in this video so fundamentally you're wrong. The only One who sounds like a fan boy is you with your by no means necessary defense of the 7800x3d. Pretty sad honestly 😂. Stop fast forwarding to the game fps benchmarks lol.
I'm happy with my Intel Core i7-14700K system (20 physical cores, 28 threads). Big upgrade from my old 2016 Intel Core i7-6700K system (with only 4 physical cores, 8 threads). Have a ProArt RTX 4080 and 32GB DDR5 and 2TB M.2 Samsung 990 Pro SSD and 1000W corsair power supply.
Thanks for covering the 265K (instead of the 285K) and the succinct and balanced coverage (and the absence of attempts at childish humour, which has become a problem with some tech RUclips channels). I hope Intel will be able to find their feet again, because at the moment, from a Gamer's perspective, they don't really have a convincing product.
My pleasure! And happy the type of content is appreciated! We'll definitely see if Intel (and/or Microsoft) can figure out the gaming side of things. Let's hope :)
@@TechTesters Thanks a lot for your reply. You have a new subscriber. :) I hope Intel will release a "zero efficiency cores" CPU for desktop as well in the future, because I'm sceptical that Microsoft will ever get core assignment right and Intel APO seems like a band-aid for a problem I'd rather not have to begin with. There is a place for high thread count applications, but I don't need them and don't want the downsides that come with optimising for them (core scheduling, silicone used for less performant cores, cost, etc.).
Which CPU would you recommend for the RTX 4070 Ti Super : AMD 7800X3D, Intel ultra core 7-265K, or AMD 9800X3D or 17 14700k? Also, which one runs cooler?"
for me in the USDM at microcenter a 265k with gigabyte gaming z890 is 480$ the 9800X3D's msrp, even newegg when sold out will be selling the 7800x3d for 480$....so when i see the intel in competition with the 7800X3D and some what worth consideration for 21:9 or 4k bc of its 300$ price point. Im inclined to consider that build with a 5070ti-5080. I can wedge in that 10-20% "performance" by adding a better gpu into my build/budget vs going for the 480$ cpu. Now from a pure/performance comparison with a flagship/4090.....its clear the X3D cpu is the better/solution. THOUGH its PURELY a gaming cpu. Definitely not competitive at msrp/launch pricing but seeing as how it only took 1 month post launch for microcenter to drop it to 300$ and offer bundle pricing with motherboards its a hard value proposition. Unless you got a 7800x3d during prime/week or a corresponding microcenter deal for much lower than 480$ for a 7800X3D then you can plainly see this aspect of value/performance comparison. Seeing as how this many years post launch and AMD 'pausing' production on 7800x3d and discontinuing the 5800x3d....i dont really have any cost/effective upgrade options when NEWEGG is selling the 7800x3d ABOVE msrp near 2 years post launch. IF this is the case with 1851 than i have nothing but EXPECTATIONS that even the 2nd and 3rd gen chips on that socket will no doubt be liquidated while theyre stocked/on shelves. Not to mention wondering how a 2nd gen chip for that platform will affect the ALREADY low 300$ 265k pricing. Even for f2p esports titles i have no issue running lower settings or lower resolutions to a range where a 180$ premium for a "top end cpu" is an afterthought for what difference that cost will entail to "more frames" some may see that as mandatory for w.e reason. ID rather use that 180$ to buy a used 1080p TN monitor with 1ms gtg for that niche/genre of TRI Hard gaming since color quality is an afterthought as well where most gamers on that genre are modifying their color profile in nvcontrol panel or amd/radeon settings for additional gamma/contrast/saturation for a competitive advantage as well where FLAGSHIP ips/oled doesnt really cross over from a color/gamut NEED standpoint the way it does for AAA/PVE Titles that would largely cater to the added value/immersion aspect of a finer monitor. HENCE 21:9/4k 42" tv for AAA/PVE and the used TN/find for f2p esports/multiplayer titles on lower settings and frame buffers hospitable to input latency response paired with a 1ms gtg panel.
Wow, what a disappointment. I was really excited to buy it. Now I’ll have to wait and definitely buy the AMD one just because of the Microsoft Simulator and FPS games. As always, great work and review! I love it. Thank you!
I wanted to say check the follow up too, but you already did I see. MSFS specifically we can get to run at similar levels to AMD with faster memory and CI Off, so maybe there are some more improvements possible soon. I'd definitely wait a bit though.
Some notes. Updated 25/10 14:40 CET (I'll keep updating this, expect a LOT more soon)
- Testing is done in the High Power profile. There is definitely a bug when you set it to balanced, but that doesn't apply here.
- Core Isolation is disabled for our testing.
- Some testing was done with regular DDR5 and CUDIMM kits to exclude either a particular memory kit or just CUDIMMS in general. That doesn't seem to be the case.
- Currently running a lot more testing with different memory speeds and Core Isolation on/off. Will probably be a follow up video, just don't expect anything like that to magically make the 265K compete with the 7800X3D in games. (I just hope we can at least fix some things like poor CS2 / MSFS performance)
- Re: why we choose to test multiple resolutions, and/or higher settings: The goal isn't to have every single game be CPU bound, in that case we might as well test everything on 720p low. The goal is to find a wide test suite that we can apply to both CPU and GPU reviews, where generally we'll focus more on 1080p data with CPU launches (mostly being CPU limited), and 4K with GPU launches (mostly GPU limited). As the data shows, it's more complicated and you can't just say "4K is GPU bound = buy whatever CPU" anymore, even for 1440p and 4K (high/ultra) your CPU choice can and will have a big impact and is something that deserves looking into.
As always. If you have questions, just ask!
How many hours do of sleep this week?
@@HorstJt Not enough :P
Gamers nexus seem to have good numbers with DDR5 8600, definitely would like to see a CUDIMM motherboard comparison at matching memory frequencies to a Standard DIMM slot DDR5
@@HorstJt hahaha, that was what I was thinking aswell. What a time consuming chores. But thanks @Tech Testers for doing it 👌
@@TechTestersthank u for the effort, we appreciate it
Very nice review! Thanks for the MSFS test.
Thank you, and happy it's appreciated!
Thank you for testing the Core 7 version. Like you said, everyone else is focused on the Core 9, so its great to have a Day-1 review of the midrange processor.
Thank you for testing Microsoft Flight Simulator! That is the most important game for me and most youTube channels do not test it in their comparisons.
Happy to help!
new MS Flight Simulator will be more multi threaded, release in November
exactly, MSFS is a real benchmark for CPUs :)
@@TechTesters I wish some reviewers test economy games - CPU there is ultra important and its very easy to test in comparison to other games - heck factorio have command line benchmark that is ready to be automated - no need to even run a game.
@@MrFiideell Meanwhile Cities Skylines 2 in the background...
Although I guess its a harder game to benchmark, need to download custom savegame, open devmenu and look at simulation speeds, not as easy as checking FPS and it doesnt go hand in hand with other results either.
“My Disappointment Is Immeasurable And My Day Is Ruined..”
Someone can read faces really well :P
I wish all reviewers had the same sensible style that you do (Jarrod's Tech is another) where you can just review the product very diligently and then state where it sits on the 'bad product/good product' spectrum without tryhard drama and editorials about the 'bad' aspects.
Thank you!
Part of that is because in the last 4-5 years almost all these products were underwhelming compared to years prior. Every 25+ years old enthusiast feels the same with these releases.
Thank you Nada for all the hard work you put into making these detailed benchmarks 💯👏💪
My pleasure!
Apparently there's a windows bug that causes massive memory latency unless you disable VBS or update to the latest version of 24h2. With those workarounds the memory latency apparently goes way down and performance goes up.
I'll pin a comment in a sec. But you're right, there is a bug (actually, multiple). But our testing is done with Core Isolation disabled and it's on the high power profile. So that issue does not apply here.
Finally someone test new cpus on 1440P and 4K too big thumbs up 👌👌🔥🔥🔥🔥 Subscribed
Glad it's appreciated :D
@@TechTesters Keep up the good work
Utter waste of time GPU limited.
@@impuls60 why does it show different numbers with different CPUs then?
Right? 1080p makes sense yea but also a low res and if you buy it you'll most likely be at 1440p or 4k
Appreciate the look at the middle processor and look forward to further coverage. It is going to be interesting to see what things configuration wise will impact performance the most.
This is basically what I expected gaming wise given how Intel was hedging their bets. It seems like when it comes to energy efficiency and multithreaded there aren't any asterisks with Arrow Lake, but gaming sure is. Given that memory latency is a problem for Arrow Lake it will be interesting to see if there will turn out to be any settings that will help.
Yeah. As expected the 265K annihilates the 7800X3D in normal applications. In gaming the 7800X3D is superior. Not surprising, since the 7800X3D also beats other AMD CPU’s in gaming including the new 9000 series.
Like how you politely described this cpu a garbage without saying word garbage 😂
Cooling is definitely going to get a lot easier :)
Wow ! That's all I have for you today...
Great review and I'm dissapointed - not by you ; )
I'll wait things out for a while.
Thank you.
Excellent review. Clear, straightforward and easy to follow. Thank you
Nice that you tested the 265K. I have mainly seen test of the 285K, but the 265K seem like the more reasonable choice for gamers.
But it is a little hard to get the full picture when only testing up against 1 other CPU. But at least they cost about the same (today, the 7800X3D has become a lot more expensive😥)
I have yet to se much about the 245K 🤷♂
Thanks! And it's just a matter of time, you only have a certain number of days to test pre-launch so you have to make choices. More CPUs would mean fewer games or removing some resolutions, and I figured it'd be best if I deep dive into this direction. More CPUs and more data will definitely follow soon!
@@TechTesters oh, I know how much work it takes. And if all the reviewers did the same thing I would only watch one. But because they do something different it is interesting to watch them all. But I still don't feel like I understand these CPU's yet.
The head to head with the 7800X3D makes sense, I think it was fun. Der8auer focused on the options for OCing the CPUS, I think that was interesting. Gamers Nexus focused on the power efficiency, I always like that, it is fun to me 🙂. Hardware Unboxed tested different windows versions , this might help explain why the results are all over the place.
These are all very different and I think the consumer benefits from having alle these different points of views when deciding what hardware to buy.
But I have yet to find a review that includes all 3 K CPU's vs 7X3D, 9000X and 14000's CPUs. And I guess the 9000X3D's are coming soon, probably replacing the 7000X3D's. So we will probably get a lot of CPU benchmarks over the next months.
For now the full picture remains out of focus for me.
Looking forward to your next CPU video 🙂
The 7800X3D is the top gaming CPU. and at a similar price the comparison choice seems very solid, we all know the 7800X3D can do as its now over 1.5 years old.
Pretty nice and detailed review and comparison. Thanks. Subscribed.
Awesome, thank you!
Seems like 7800x3d still best quality/price atm
it so xpensive now 450 they raised the price :-/
not seems...but 1 millions % fact much faster cpu with 87 vs 250 & 193 watt high end intel cpu
Almost 900$ in Canada so no😢
@@Mike-Dynamike 900$ candian dollars is not the same as USD... IDK why Candians and Australians think that 900$ for them is like 900$ for someone in the US. And no I'm not from the US.
And the 9800X3D is about to launch.
You are such a pro. It’s so easy to be ultra negative. I really appreciate your reasoned approach.
Thanks! I try :)
easy to be genuine?
@@AbbasDalal1000 if you’re equating negativity to being genuine, I have to disagree wholeheartedly. Some content creators go out of their way to use negativity as a crutch to get views and engagement. I prefer the information be presented in an objective fashion. That’s all.
@@Bush880 thats too much, but then every product will be ok only
Exactly the video I needed for the new CPUs!
Very informative video. Thanks so much for all the time and effort it must’ve taken to do it. When you do a review of the 9800X3D, I’m sure you’ll be including comparisons to the current Intel generation and when you do if you could include 4K data I know I would really appreciate it.
Thank you for doing all these reviews and tests on new PC parts. Amazing job, to the point and really helpful for us consumers. Keep up the great work!
Glad you think so, thank you!
Excellent info, well presented. You guys do great work.
Great review, love the format!
Thank you so much for posting this excellent review of the Core Ultra 7 265K. I really like how you present the game performance results and I agree with all your conclusions. The videography is outstanding. Your videographer deserves a nice Christmas bonus. (Smile.) You certainly are busy! Thank you again for such a superbly presented review.
Thank you for testing!❤ I heard that using windows 11 23h2 and turning off c-state in bios would help improve ultra 200k's performance in games. But anyway, really hard to believe that intel 15th-gen cpus perform not as expected in games.
This is great for new builders who want intel. I'm happy with my 13600K for gaming and work.
What a mess. After the last issues with 13th and 14th gen, one would have expected that Intel made absolutely certain that this was a perfect launch, even if it had to be delayed. I am glad that I have moved to AMD, even though I might never be able to afford the current generation.
Thanks for a great review.
Thank you! And agreed, I don't understand why they didn't take a bit more time to makt the launch go smoother.
same here, i Never bought amd before, but just got my new system, with the 7800x3d. intel is just broken atm.
runs like a beast lol
@@CyberBeep_kenshi i never had amd before too 13600k rn thinking on switching 9800x3d
@@Criptooooo depends a bit what you need it for, the 9800 and 7800 are Slighty differently in performance, both kick intel 's a.... though;-)
i put a bequiet blackrock 5 pro cooler on it. doesn't go warmer than 55 celcius:)
WOW I'm impressed Someone actually do test on MMORPGs especially Throne and Liberty and not just some single player games like every body else. This is rare.
Finally Best video that give all details and explain clearly
Thank you for the great review. You’ve earned a subscriber
Amazing channel. Keep up the good work.
this was a great video and I appreciate the time and effort yall put into it thankyou
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice work. Thanks! Gotta wonder what's up with Intel Engineering. Waited a while post launch, picked up the 7800x3D and never looked back. I'll have to revisit blue team in a year or two ... maybe .. maybe not.
I like this clean, straightforward approach to a CPU review. One thing I am curious is how it competes against something like a Ryzen 9700X, which would be its current-gen competitor for productivity workloads. Otherwise the conclusion seems pretty foregone; the now last-gen 7800X3D still trouncing it as you've shown in basically everything is quite the mess.
Thank you . The addition of thunderbolt to many of the mother boards is quite good . For some of us users gaming is secondary . Music production and animation production are the priority . I wonder if the audio companies will go with thunderbolt more ?
Not if they watch Arrow Lake reviews, this launch is a debacle
Thank you for being the only tech reviewer of the new Intel CPUs that actually puts the benchmarks into a non-upper-management perspective. So many tech reviewers treat it like it's a contest instead of a product, whoever crosses the finish line first wins in those videos
I love the honest and straight forward approach. Cutting through the marketing BS is the reason we love reviewers that know their stuff, and you're one of my favs. Thank you for keeping it real.
Shes not gonna sleep with ya bro ffs lol
@@Boss-zo4lw Grow up and learn how to handle compliments.
Thanks looks like a lot of work for the review. Very good video
It was a lot of work indeed. So glad it's appreciated!
Nice video. Can't wait to get hands on with X3D :)
You and me both!
Thank you Nada, excellent review as always 🎉
My pleasure 😊
Running 7800X3D, the 9800x3d definitely caught my attention though. I love the reviews & comparisons, thank you very much! 🙂👍👍
That is a TON of charts and a great information dump. Thumbs up!
Intel: Do better! We need competition in the market.
Glad you think so, thank you!
Great review. You are a great communicator. Thanks for covering MSFS. Hard to find reviews that actually include this title. Take care.
Thank you Subscribed 🎉
Results should be more interesting in a month when everything will have been optimized. Also if you remove gaming perf I think it's looking as an upgrade in everything else, more computing power for less watts.
Compute definitely looks fine. But gaming looks pretty problematic?
Core isolation disabled you get a sub just for that. This is the best way to see what I am running at 4k. I will be here for your 285k results. Thank you.
I'll see if I can include some Core iso on/off for a followup ;) And thank you!
If you play on 1440p or 4k res, the ultra 265k is worth it more with current amd prices of the 7800/9800x3d..
You have such a nice wify look.
Lol I've seen a lot of Techtester videos but I've never seen that look on Nada's face before. Way to go Intel 😂
rigth?
for a moment i got sad she was replaced, hear her talk was a relief
Finally!
I was waiting for this 💪
Thanks for still including The Division 2, yes there are still a few of us playing 😂
LUCKILY I CANCELLED MY PURCHASE OF THE ULTRA 7 AND ASUS Z890 HERO YESTERDAY! WILL WAIT NOW FOR ISSUES TO BE SORTED OUT! LESSON IS: NEVER, NEVER, EVER, EVER BUY PC GAMING RIGS / PARTS AT LAUNCH!
So u will staying for ultra 7 or change ur mind and buy amd 7 7800x3d ?
@@christiansalim Will stay ultra 7, but going to wait 2-3 months to see if intel can sort out issues and then I'll make a call! Just wish that intel can fix multi e-core issues, to be utilized in gaming, seeing that amd is going to release 9900x3d next month on the 7th, if I'm not mistaken!? Probably going to be a monster, leaving intel even further behind!?
Sorry 9800x3d
@@wynandnieuwoudt3421 so u will using amd right now and say goodbye to intel ??
@@christiansalim Yes
CPU manufacturers are now doing what games have been doing for years…just get it out there then patch the bugs out of it for the next year or so. Thank you for the multi resolution graphs. 😊 Great vid as usual.
I was so forward to looking at this new CPU and was ready to buy. Then as the results came in I wasn't sure because I was not and do not play the games that most people play. But you put the nail in the coffin for this new cpu, because the game I do play is flight simulator. Wasn't ready to join the AMD team, because my last for builds were all Intel with no problems. But I guess once the 7800 ex 3D price drops back to normal I will finally join the AMD team. Thank you for reviewing the new processors with flight simulator, which most reviewers seem to ignore.
Maybe wait just a little bit. We're testing some more variables right now, specifically looking at some of the "problem" games like MSFS and CS2. I don't have all the results yet but there are some signs that different memory might just improve some things, at least a little bit.
Such honesty 😊 i really fear when we go down/low in nanometers process. it seems unstable, less reliable and we can't see how it could behave.
Improvement, yes, but a litte mote common sense.
more or Moore ? 🤗
Always! And that worry has been the same for as long as I remember. But I'm 100% sure that the issues we're seeing today isn't down to node size.
Honest review, as usual.
I always try :)
What a mess, indeed. Thanks for the review!
Great video, it's helped me with my upgrade path.
I've always liked Intel, but not anymore. I have a 13900k and it's very unstable with the current microcode.
Well I'll be switching to AMD when the 9800x3d comes out. This will be the first time I buy an AMD CPU.
What motherboard your using? it runs perfectly fine on my aorus master z790
Hello to my fav Tech mama! Great comparison and reviews :D
Thank you 🤗
I think we kinda had a similar situation when AM5 launched back in 2022 where because of it being a new architecture, windows updates and bois issues it sometimes even fell behind AM4 let alone Intel 13th gen CPUs but it got better over time when updates got released as everyone especially game devs learned how to make their games work with it, that being said I kinda thought Intel would do better when it comes to this stuff
Absolutely. On both sides :)
Thank you. 👍🏻
You're welcome!
This is what I want to see. 😍
BTW By the bad performance, it looks like it just came from most of the old title games like 3-4 years ago. Because on 8:47 this year games like black myth and Star Wars are just not that different
It doesnt have hyperthreading!! Battlefield and Pubg type games will absolutely suck. She showed Pubg on ULTRA so GPU bottlenecked. Fail.
Great video. Thank you.
Glad you liked it!
The thumbnail says it all.
Most launches of new platforms seem to have 3-6 months of updates before all the kinks are ironed out, but in this case the issues seem way bigger than normal. Would probably avoid Arrow Lake for the next 9-12 months if I wanted a good experience without issues.
Some early issues are always expected, but Intel has traditionally been very stable at launch yet this one has been the messiest in quite a few years.
Your concerned look in the thumbnail is too cute.
:D Thank you
I went with the 14700K with my 4090 build. I was debating between that and the 7800X3D, decided to stick with Intel since that's all I've ever owned. I've had to update my bios like 4 times because of their ''stability'' patches. I'm happy with the performance but if Intel doesn't improve (mostly in the power consumption department which they're at least doing better now), AMD is getting my money next time especially since my PC is strictly for gaming. This is a very disappointing launch for Intel especially after all of the 13th-14th gen drama... Great video as always!
Thank you for the information
My pleasure!
Smart move to focus on 265k, which most sales will be at🎉
That's what I thought!
So the AMD chip which is 100% gaming focused runs better in games. WOW!
While the intel chip, which is jack of all trades, runs quite well or very well in games while seriously outperformimg the AMD chip in other tasks - something the AMD fanboys locked 20 out of 24 hours per day in the basement seem to completely ignore.
The Core Ultra 7 is not a bad chip at all.
Yes but AMD fans want intel to be better so we can buy amd for cheaper price
No joke if Intel isn't stepping up there gaming capabilities X3D chips will cost arm and a leg already they have skyrocketed to %40 in price
Great video as usual.
and again, always perfect Nails
TLDR: Stick with AMD.
Yeah but her sad face next to the Intel CPU is worth an upvote for sure
@@jrherita Agreed. Competition is good and a strong Intel will force AMD to not be complacent. That happened in the 2000s and early 2010s when Intel bragged about their “tick-tock” R&D approach which led to a decade of stagnation in the CPU area
only for gaming...
amd is slower in "computation"
@@Lookingformorefun 7800x3d, yes. But 7950x I am not sure. Haven’t seen any comparison
@@corvoattano85317950x3d and you get the best of both worlds.
I have a 12700k and want to upgrade to a newer platform since I'm also still on DDR4 and while the X3D part wins in gaming its only 8 cores 16 threads while my current CPU is 12 core 20 threads. Going for a 265k with 20 full cores seems far more enticing for that multithreaded goodness. a 9950X3D with cache on both CCDs would be excellent but that's not confirmed and its unknown when that will even release.
I have a 7800X3D and it's not lost on me that this 265K is twice as fast in productivity workloads. That's wild! Unfortunately for Intel all I do is game 😂. If Windows 11 and game engines get patched to work better with Arrow Lake, things may get interesting.
Excelent work
Thank you!
The most Positive thing... the Intel Processor did not explode in your face!
So new Ryzen CPU's doesn't look that bad any more :)
OMG, 7800X3D is 57% faster than 265K in CS2
CS2 data looks really bad. It's barely going over 300 FPS while the AMD can easily do 500+. We're looking into it more now to see exactly what's going on there.
But its only 50% of intel cpu performance in cinebench 2:56
and only 50% of performance in blender 3:26
this is because sop or what ever its called was turned off
@@TechTesters You need test vs AMD 9000X3D
@@Lookingformorefun Duh, it's a 8 core CPU vs a 20 core CPU. Check other reviews versus the 7950X3D and later this year the 9800X3D and 9950X3D. The 9800X3D should be 5-10% faster than the 9800X3D for non-high core load games, and 10-15% faster for simulation / high core usage games just because the clocks should be decently higher.
As long as they don't have the 9800X3D use more than 10W more power on average, it'll still be 40-50W (65-80W AMD vs 105-125W Intel) less power in games and better efficiency than the 7800X3D. For multicore AND gaming, you'll have a 9950X3D, and if AMD again, allows PBO overclocking/tuning when they release it in January, it should be close enough to the 285K+9950X in all-core work but still have even higher efficiency.
I saw a review where the 7950X3D matches, or was a bit faster than the 285K in games, and in productivity, was about 10-15% slower *BUT* used 60-80% less power still than the 285K (160-170W vs 230-250W). Unless you *really need* the extra 10-15% performance, that comes with *more expensive memory and boards* (ie, a $200 X670E and $100 RAM does everything, with support for any 7000/9000 Ryzen) then there's nothing special about the 285K or 265K plus all the performance consistency issues that have been mostly worked out on even the 7950X3D and better/could not be an issue with the 9950X3D
Thanks for the review. Unless something goes wrong, I don't think I'll upgrade my CPU until sometime in 2026. My 10700 still does fine for the games I play.
Welcome!
Pleasant voice, I like that
Thanks :D
I assume this cpu design was fundamentally set in stone, a year or two ago, before the worst 13/14 series issues hit the fan. If people have a dodgy i7 / i9 LGA1700 cpu, they'd prefer to have a fully functioning reliable version of their existing cpu, more than "upgrading" to these.
Great review
Thank you!
Great point at the end, wintel ment stable launches in the past, this was still a purchasing concern for a lot of people who still daily Intel. This launch is messy. Kinda like Ryzen v1
Ryzen v1 was also rough for sure :D
To sum up: a two year old AMD CPU beats the crap out of the latest Intel release. But Intel throws in some blue screens. Nice.
Wasn't the 7800X3D released in 2023?
So far it's mostly been easy anti-cheat. So it's not great, but I've seen more blue screens with previous launches.
@@TrusteftTech OK, an 18-month-old CPU beats intel's latest....
A $500 processor beat a $400 processor, who would have thought?
@@BOZ_11 Yes it does. And that is good for AMD. No point in spreading inaccurate information which can only come back to make you look bad.
Were there any temp benchmarks done? That's what I'm mostly curious about.
I wanted to get as many games in first, more will follow. But temps are definitely going to be a big improvement over 12/13/14th gen.
Much cooler it can be air cooled just like a zen3 5800x3d. As a gaming/solution/cpu. Given its 300$ usd at microcenter its definitely a better option than a 7600X3D for the money.
Great review! Pretty shocking differences, also in 4k. I hope the new X3D line up will have a better all-in-one proccesor. Something Intel clearly doesn't have this generation. Dankjewel!
Graag gedaan :)
I feel like these specs are not accurate because intel included power delivery from the ATX rail in addition to the EPS. I hope you update your review to reflect this.
How did you conclude I'm showing EPS data? Just curious.
What i understand if i am not a Gamer and want to work on Blender, After Effects, Premiere Pro, Da Vinci Resolve, and i am building a PC from scratch, i can surely go for Intel Core Ultra Series.
And i know i won't be using CPU for Rendering, i will definitely go with atleast 4070tisuper or may be with a next gen 70 series card of Nvidia.
Yes
I would still wait a little bit to see what is wise in terms of memory choice, but you're right: for non gaming stuff this is a good step. I just wanted to dive more into one area, knowing other reviewers will cover the CPU more broadly anyway :)
@@TechTesters Yup, I need to wait for a new gen GPU from Nvidia, but looking forward to Arc Battlemage GPU as well. Both are a minimum of 3 Months away from Today, Till then, plenty of performance information will become available.
Thanks for yours and will wait for future ones as well.
What do you recommend for someone building their first pc? AMD or Intel?
At this point I'd probably recommend to wait at least a week or 2-3 more to see what happens with these CPUs and how AMD's new X3D chip does.
It also depends on what you plan to do with it :)
I'm not surprised, the 7800X3D is really something special. Intel needs to figure out the 3D V-cache. The improvement in power efficiency is nice to see though although still a ways away. Wasn't considering their CPUs after the degradations issues for the last couple generations and their prices but hopefully this is the beginning of Intel turning things around. It will be interesting to see how the decision to no longer have hyperthreading will effect their performance in things like video editing going forward.
edit: after watching the Hardware Unboxed review of the Ultra 9 where they go into a bit more detail on the "mess" that Nada mentioned maybe it's not quite the beginning of a turnaround that I would have like to seen. Hopefully at the very least they won't have the same degradation issues.
just special for gaming that's it.
@@Killswitch1411 considering they're called "gaming PCs" and that is the main area where people watching videos like this are looking for performance I'd say that's pretty relevant.
@@TheEvdiggity never said it was irrelevant, people watching these videos watch for more than gaming as well. I wouldn't buy a x3d for the fact it does poorly on non gaming tasks and it's worth taking the slight gaming hit for my use case.
@@Killswitch1411 I know there are more use cases but when the video in which the comment is made has 40 GAMES tested each at 3 different resolutions the focus is pretty obvious. I also have other use cases but the 7800X3D is also amazing in terms of it's efficiency. The latest Gamers Nexus video shows this in great detail. Taking this into consideration it is all around a pretty amazing CPU which is probably why the price recently went from about $350 to $500/sold out. Trying to be dismissive of it just makes you look like an Intel fanboy.
@@TheEvdiggity calling me a fanboy makes you look stupid, sorry but I Don't even own a Intel system right now. There were also other tests besides games in this video so fundamentally you're wrong. The only One who sounds like a fan boy is you with your by no means necessary defense of the 7800x3d. Pretty sad honestly 😂. Stop fast forwarding to the game fps benchmarks lol.
I'm happy with my Intel Core i7-14700K system (20 physical cores, 28 threads). Big upgrade from my old 2016 Intel Core i7-6700K system (with only 4 physical cores, 8 threads). Have a ProArt RTX 4080 and 32GB DDR5 and 2TB M.2 Samsung 990 Pro SSD and 1000W corsair power supply.
Nice system, enjoy it for a few years more! :D
Thanks for covering the 265K (instead of the 285K) and the succinct and balanced coverage (and the absence of attempts at childish humour, which has become a problem with some tech RUclips channels). I hope Intel will be able to find their feet again, because at the moment, from a Gamer's perspective, they don't really have a convincing product.
My pleasure! And happy the type of content is appreciated! We'll definitely see if Intel (and/or Microsoft) can figure out the gaming side of things. Let's hope :)
@@TechTesters Thanks a lot for your reply. You have a new subscriber. :) I hope Intel will release a "zero efficiency cores" CPU for desktop as well in the future, because I'm sceptical that Microsoft will ever get core assignment right and Intel APO seems like a band-aid for a problem I'd rather not have to begin with. There is a place for high thread count applications, but I don't need them and don't want the downsides that come with optimising for them (core scheduling, silicone used for less performant cores, cost, etc.).
Leuk jasjee! Voorlopig blijf ik nog bij de 7800x3D denk ik
Which CPU would you recommend for the RTX 4070 Ti Super : AMD 7800X3D, Intel ultra core 7-265K, or AMD 9800X3D or 17 14700k? Also, which one runs cooler?"
Looks like im passing this gen. Lets see next year.
for me in the USDM at microcenter a 265k with gigabyte gaming z890 is 480$ the 9800X3D's msrp, even newegg when sold out will be selling the 7800x3d for 480$....so when i see the intel in competition with the 7800X3D and some what worth consideration for 21:9 or 4k bc of its 300$ price point. Im inclined to consider that build with a 5070ti-5080. I can wedge in that 10-20% "performance" by adding a better gpu into my build/budget vs going for the 480$ cpu. Now from a pure/performance comparison with a flagship/4090.....its clear the X3D cpu is the better/solution. THOUGH its PURELY a gaming cpu. Definitely not competitive at msrp/launch pricing but seeing as how it only took 1 month post launch for microcenter to drop it to 300$ and offer bundle pricing with motherboards its a hard value proposition. Unless you got a 7800x3d during prime/week or a corresponding microcenter deal for much lower than 480$ for a 7800X3D then you can plainly see this aspect of value/performance comparison. Seeing as how this many years post launch and AMD 'pausing' production on 7800x3d and discontinuing the 5800x3d....i dont really have any cost/effective upgrade options when NEWEGG is selling the 7800x3d ABOVE msrp near 2 years post launch. IF this is the case with 1851 than i have nothing but EXPECTATIONS that even the 2nd and 3rd gen chips on that socket will no doubt be liquidated while theyre stocked/on shelves. Not to mention wondering how a 2nd gen chip for that platform will affect the ALREADY low 300$ 265k pricing. Even for f2p esports titles i have no issue running lower settings or lower resolutions to a range where a 180$ premium for a "top end cpu" is an afterthought for what difference that cost will entail to "more frames" some may see that as mandatory for w.e reason. ID rather use that 180$ to buy a used 1080p TN monitor with 1ms gtg for that niche/genre of TRI Hard gaming since color quality is an afterthought as well where most gamers on that genre are modifying their color profile in nvcontrol panel or amd/radeon settings for additional gamma/contrast/saturation for a competitive advantage as well where FLAGSHIP ips/oled doesnt really cross over from a color/gamut NEED standpoint the way it does for AAA/PVE Titles that would largely cater to the added value/immersion aspect of a finer monitor. HENCE 21:9/4k 42" tv for AAA/PVE and the used TN/find for f2p esports/multiplayer titles on lower settings and frame buffers hospitable to input latency response paired with a 1ms gtg panel.
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Thank you!
Good thing I'm not looking to upgrade from my 12900KS. This new CPU design sounds like it needs some issues sorted out.
Definitely wait a little bit longer :)
Wow, what a disappointment. I was really excited to buy it. Now I’ll have to wait and definitely buy the AMD one just because of the Microsoft Simulator and FPS games. As always, great work and review! I love it. Thank you!
I wanted to say check the follow up too, but you already did I see. MSFS specifically we can get to run at similar levels to AMD with faster memory and CI Off, so maybe there are some more improvements possible soon. I'd definitely wait a bit though.
Making sure I understand, the 285k then we would expect to perform better than the 265k right?
4 E-Cores and 200MHz should not change the results by a really drastic amount. But we'll find out soon!