Imagine running a show so great that you get a deal to do a Star Wars movie, so you RUSH the best show ever made, RUIN THE LAST SEASON, and THEN LOSE the Star Wars movie because of how bad they fucked up 😂
@@MainframeMilitiato those narcissistic folks like them they were born into money ... They wouldn't be in that spot without being rich in the 1st place . They always got ahead because of daddy's money ... So with that being said their careers mean more to them than money ...them building a name for themselves is what they always wanted and they ruined that too. They are nothing but fuck up trust fund babies
I don't even care to binge watch GoT because of how bad it ended. I mean you have to be some major azzholes to mess up the greatest tv series in the world
It just makes it worse knowing the actor was a huge ASOIAF fan who was excited to finally sink his teeth into some real plot. Then, boom. Best swordsman in Westeros, cut down by some rich twats in an alley.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 how does his character prove she won't eventually snap. in the books she does some cruel things when she's still in Slaver's Bay
@@b1bbscraz3y because he debunked it himself when he met Dany he told her he saw no taint in her she's nothing like her father thus proving she won't go mad like him , doing cruel things has nothing to do with being mad tons of characters do cruel things even Jon is he also going mad ?
Dumb and Dumber chose not to let other writers in it and they were able to choose this because it was their project. They didnt want to let other writers in because they wanted ALL the credits so they could have their DNa all over GOT as a show that was all of their making. Their egotism destroyed the show and is a nice personal lesson for those two egoic asses but a shitty way to end the best thing ever on TV.
@jackhyatt7739 even with hotd I'm just rolling my eyes when they talk about prophecy knowing none of them go anywhere. Love hotd but season 8s stink is still there.
Did you miss the part where the books suck? He'll never finish them because he lost the plot, quite literally; he's lazy; he knows they suck; and he doesn't want to.
And the worst part is HotD forcing us to remember Season 8 with the "prophecy of the song of ice and fire" and the daenerys cameo. Like, let it be its own thing and try not to tie it in with the worst ending in recent pop culture history!
They are probably setting up to do a spin off to finish the white walker story arc with George's proper ending since George told Ryan how his book series ends. This is of course, after HOT D wraps up
I can overlook this, because I feel like HotD is more focused on book lore. And in the book, the prophecy is incredibly important to the foundations of the Targaryens and Starks, and is even hinted at with Jacerys’ time in the North in Fire and Blood.
if show ended on season 4 it would've been greatest show ever done, also why didn't Jamie mention that Tysha wasn't a street girl, Tyrion killing he's father and starting villain arc after those words would've been so much more pleasant
like gerris drinkwater said to quentyn "if the guy called 'the bold' tells you 'i wouldn't do it if i were you', you should fucking listen" or something like that. when a book reader that gets to interprete a character he loved says "you shouldn't kill him, its gonna be bad" to you, you should fucking listen insted of make fun of him
there's a lot of book readers who believe Barristan will die in the books most likely soon, because there's already plenty of pov characters and there's about to be even more pov characters in Slaver's Bay with Tyrion and the Greyjoys
I’m a little disappointed that you didn’t mention the complete character assassination of Stannis Baratheon, which began all the way back in Season 1. As pointed out by RUclipsr Macabre Storytelling, book Stannis was involved pretty much since the beginning, having helped his brother win his throne and defend it. It was he and NOT Jon Arryn who started the investigation into the parentage of Cersei Lannister’s children. Knowing that Robert would just brush him off, Stannis goes to Jon to start the investigation together. In exchange, Stannis offers to foster Jon’s son Robin on Dragonstone to protect him from the Lannisters. Not knowing why, but not wanting this to happen, Lysa runs to Littlefinger to prevent this. He gives her the idea to poison Jon. Fearing that the Lannisters are on to him and pissed off that Robert never really appreciated him - never making him Hand of the King or even Lord of Storm’s End, Stannis flees back to Dragonstone. In the show, Stannis seems jazzed about his brother’s death, having seemingly never suspected the legitimacy of Cersei’s children. Book Stannis only has Melisandre around as a means to an end. Show Stannis shows him as a religious zealot who will follow anyone if it will give him power. The ends always justify the means. Also Book Stannis learns to win people over and things go a lot better for him in the book.
Unfortunately you're right. There is also the irrirating fact that the show constantly tries to justify Renly trying to take the Iron Throne for himself with the mere arguments that his brother doesn't bring sympathy to the people and he's just a soldier unfit to rule.
Oh, please, tell me about the 'character assassination' of a character whose literal introduction involves innocent people being burned alive at the hands of his appointed religious zealot and sex toy. No difference between the book and show on this part.
@@SerbAtheist Normally I would agree with boycotting a killer, but this is the Game of Thrones universe we’re talking about. Much like David and Dan, you don’t seem to care about the nuances behind Stannis’ decisions and perhaps you feel that way about other characters too. In the show he is a religious zealot but in the book, it’s his wife who coverts to the Lord of light first. Melisandre is just a means to end, which he never would have had to resort to if he was as popular as his brothers. It was only as his desperation got worse, which was not helped by his jaded faith in the Seven - the religion he believed in when he saw his parents die in Shipbreaker Bay that his defences were finally worn down. The “sex toy” part allowed him to kill Renly, and as Tywin Lannister stated, a move like this would have insured that the least amount of men who would have had to die would do so. Stannis fights because he is the rightful heir and says “I was trying to win the throne to save the Kingdom when I should’ve been trying to save the Kingdom to win the throne”. I sincerely doubt he would have garnered any popularity at all if D&D were not needed to showcase him as a villain. And in case you can't tell the difference, to show that he cares about proper succession more than himself in the books, he tells the Iron Bank to buy his sellswords no matter what happens to him. Should he die, their priority is to crown his daughter or die in the attempt. Also even if he was meant to be a villain or tragic character, it’s still important to show the nuances of his inner conflicts or how he got to where he is. Otherwise you can just easily argue that the likes Daenerys Targaryen, Jamie Lannister, Tyrion, and the Hound didn’t suffer character assassinations either. I think I need to clarify. A character does not need to have a tragic ending or have gone from a protagonist to an antagonist to be classified as having gone through a character assassination. I would argue that nearly every major character in GoT has been bastardised at least to some extent. What matters is that D&D did not care about their characters motivations and their subsequent underlying motivations. You don't need to make your characters likeable but you do have to make them understandable.
@@HansWurst1569 Then why are y'all getting your panties in a bunch so much over the final season to the point of wishing harm to the people who made the entire show happen?
@@fatalshore5068 I'm still so angry at them 😂 But aside from that I also just have zero faith in their ability to write any kind of halfway decent story.
Man i can’t stand these AI voices. The gaps between sentences and commas is so blatant, that’s all i can notice. These people should at least edit the audio to give it a natural flow, it’s too distracting lol
Lmfao! Thats not an AI voice, as crazy as it sounds. I think dude might just be a bit slow in the head. That hilarious that he sounds so weird that people think it's AI hahah!
David Benioff is actually a decent writer, he not only wrote the Spike Lee film The 25th Hour but also a film that I think is really good but was a massive box office flop called STAY with Ewan McGregor, Naomi Watts and Ryan Gosling. Still he f****ed up.
@@jimjohnson6944even sped up it’s distracting. just… really stilted speech. like, the pauses are still 2sec long when his actual words are so fast they’re barely comprehensible. plus a monotonous delivery
Nah you got book 3 Tyrion all wrong. he didn’t pressure Sansa, he gave her a choice. Shae had it coming n I don’t blame him for ending her. Tyrion lied to Jaime because he jaime lied to him about his first wife. He said those things to hurt him cause he was hurt. He hates Cersei though which you can’t hold against him either.
GRRM describes tyrion killing Shae as his blackest deed, so yeah him killing her wasn't necessary and was purely driven by his rage and his lust for revenge
According to d&d at a panel, they specifically took out fantasy elements whenever possible, they didn't want to pander to that kind of fan, implying fantasy is 'too feminine'. Imagine removing one of the key elements of the story because you personally think its silly lmao
This is the ONLY reason GoT collapsed. I’m sick of people going on and on about “this character should’ve been king” or “this character should’ve killed the Night King” blah blah blah It’s solely because they had no respect for the fantasy elements of the show. It’s a FANTASY SHOW and they hated the FANTASY elements!!! How the fuck does that even happen?!?!?!
They grifted their way through their meeting with Martin. I want to meet Martin one day so I can tell him they got the correct answer to Jon snows mothers identity from any book fan in an online forum. We all knew what was going on around 1999. Just reading the first book, you have to look further than whats being said. Lyanna in her bed of blood. The blue flowers she loved. The tower of joy for rhaegar being the tower of grief for ned. Its written subtly that i doubt dumb and dumber knew just by text alone. They asked someone.
Not only were D&D incompetent with the last season, they were incompetent with the series as a whole. They ignored vital plot lines from the novels, skipped most of the magic (because it wasn't mainstream enough for them), and most of all, they didn't have the experience to pull this off well. Seriously, say what you will about season 2 of HOTD, but it will never be as bad as everything involving these two imbeciles.
In my eyes ALL BLAME GOES TO GEORGE FOR NOT FINISHING THE DAMN BOOKS AND VISITING STUPID ASS CONVENTIONS, INTERVIEWS AND SHIT HE CRUMBLED UNDER PRESSURE HE SHOULD'VE FINISHED THE BOOKS AND THEN THEY SHOULD'VE STARTED THE TV SHOW💀 BRO GAVE THEM THE BEST SOURCE MATERIAL AND THEN GAVE THEM LITERALLY NOTHING it's like Shakespeare writing 50% of the play and then handing it to you to complete the rest WHICH YOU 100% WILL FUCKUP since you can't write even 10% of what he can
Agreed. If he'd spent less time fucking about on sidecar projects as well as having his ego stroked at conventions and more time at his desk working on the books, they'd have had more to adapt.
That's not a good enough excuse they cut out so much material going all the way back to the first season that set them up to ruin later seasons. Like so much source material was cut way before season 6 .
I agree. D&D hold their share of blame for I guess arrogance in thinking they could finish it without input of Martin but most of all for rushing it. For that I agree they are rightfully blamed for the flop of season 8 (and 5, and 6, and 7 too). But this god damned troll Martin escaped the responsibility somehow despite not delivering the last book for decades now? He is as much at fault as they are, he and his lazy ass. But people seem not to remeber it.
bro get over yourself, he wrote an amazing series and lost the motivation to finish it after releasing thousands and thousands of pages and extended lore. it happens, he's only human.
Agree with GRRM not finishing the series, but so much was left out in the show. Also, with the books published, a far better ending could have been scripted
They executed 4-5 season of the show flawlessly, making one of the best TV shows of all time and then you have people wondering why HBO execs trusted them. Well that's why. Stop acting like you don't know.
I think he meant more specifically with the writing. They should never have been trusted with writing any of the plot. They're great at adapting, not at creating
@@johnaverill6308 sure, that ended up being true with later seasons. But in early seasons, some of the best dialogue was not from the books. Great example was conversation between Cersei and Robert, but there were many other great ones. The big problem was that it seems like they were already bored with GoT and wanted to move to other projects. For me that is insane, but many people close to the show indicated that to be the case.
@@Constantinch pretty sure other writers came in and wrote those show exclusive scenes, at least most of them. All the stuff they've written in the past is mid at best and nothing as close to as complex as asoiaf was. HBO should've known better than to trust them with writing GoT. Yeah I think them wanting to move on was part of it, but I think it was mainly their egos led them to believe they were too good for GoT
George was very involved in the first 4 seasons, we don't know exactly what he or anyone specifically did, but he wrote an episode per season, and according to George they would listen to his suggestions a lot, but stopped listening in later seasons. They were indeed on the first season's good scenes and good dialogue that were not from the books, but somehow from s05 the scenes and dialogue that were not from the books, got worse and you could tell. To me, it was super obvious on season 6 that characters sounded dummer when speaking. It was frustrating to read the reviews not addressing it.
Had my suspicions that these guys were washed, when they skipped Tyrion's first battle in the first season, then the character assassination of Stannis, and the lack of Lady Stoneheart, to name very few. The one that solidified it for me was, completely flipping Jaime's rescue of Tyrion, it's the moment when their relationship crumbles and seems unrecoverable, in the show it's a strengthening of their bond. They went from adaption to fan fiction.
I remember meeting Ian (Ser Barristan) in person at the Thronefest here in the UK. He voiced his dissatisfaction about his character's end during an interview session that they did there and said the same to me in person when I met him, I ofc shared the same sentiment and he seemed happy to hear that other fans also were on his side. Him and his character were really done dirty.
That's what they all say, D&D, and Martin, but is that even a truth? We have no idea what happened then. Notice that they never, ever actually say that name of Jon's mom during those interviews, not until it is revealed late in the show. Perhaps during that conversation they have guessed wrong, but Marting made decison anyways? For other reasons. Maybe for money and promise of creative control? Then they concocted the nice story about final test question just to give some solid footing to D&D, both rather inexpierenced and not at all successful writers (su they would look more convincing when appraching HBO) AND shut the faces of other writers, most probably better ones who were refused before? I don't put that scenario past Martin, who certainly could have thought of such plot.
Its worse when House of the Dragon has proved they could have easily done it without them. I get they were tired of being away from their family for the majority of a year. Though if you are not up for it I don't really understand why they were so eager in wanting to work on a TV show to begin with. It is kind of the bargin you make in doing a show. This is the rare occasion where a show needed a Walking dead length run to tell the complete story. If they had told HBO to look for replacements for them during season 3 and that season 4 would be their last. They would have been fondly remembered as the guys who got the ball rolling and gave us some of the best TV ever.
1:26 the moment they didn't film the battle (ambush) of Robb versus Jaime I realized this was a future sheetpiece. I could remember more holes but I will not make the effort.
well, I think most people realized that they were not great writers as soon as they released the first season that was not covered by the books that were out. But I wouldn't call their downfall satisfying. They had a hand in creating the first 3 seasons as well, where most of the writing was taken care of by the books, but it was their job to select what goes into the show in order to tell a coherent story, and they did a good job. Unless I'm mistaken and that was not their job, but someone else's?
I just don't buy the "who is Jon Snow's mother" question/answer because the fandom had long figured it out. It was no secret whatsoever. I think it's more likely the money was there plus the technical capability to recreate his vision.
Ian M, if you somehow read this, you played Barristan flawlessly. I think all of my fellow book fans have YOUR performance as their headcanon visualisations. Whenever I read ASOIAF, for the rest of my life I will see you whenever Barristan appears😊 Thank you so much. Thank you for staying so professional even under bad circumstances. We have nothing but respect and pride for you
I started watching during Season Three. I only needed 5 minutes of watching Dany to realize the male writers were going build her up ALL the WAY, then tear her down at the very end in a completely illogical and nonsensical narrative. I knew 5 years before it happened. If you want to see the ultimate critique of men writing for women heros, watch the last episode of She-Hulk. For decades, She-Hulk is the only comic book character who is SELF-AWARE. She knows she is a comic book character. At the end of the series, when the writers use a cliche ending with her powerless and needing to be rescued. She-Hulk stops the show, climbs out of the frame, hunts down the Marvel writers at Disney, and forces changes in her narrative with KEVIN. Don't get me started on that Jem and the Holograms movie.
At the time d&b met w/ grrm, the books had a very large on-line fan presence w/ several large forums for the fandom. The fan theory abt jon snow had long been the MOST widely discussed and accepted speculation by the fandom, and could not have been overlooked by d&b if they had done ANY online research of the book series.
@@Vadapalli_Vivek I mean the story to be about people and only people was a nice approach. Only problem with the movie is that it wasnt something special to justify budget and expectations. Even the actors didnt care that much
It's poorly written to be a movie about the Iliad, the Iliad exist, they could just copy that, not a crime, Troy is literally the Iliad, but no, they changed important things, good movie, bad Iliad, good cinematics but bad writing
Everyone knew who jon's mother was if they had ever looked at a fan forum, or someone who was especially astute. First time readers have noticed it too. Needed deeper questions about themes and character
I bet all those producers were looking forward to slapping "from the writers of Game of Thrones" all over their new product and were ready for the money train to enter and then saw not only the final season but DnD's attitude to the whole thing and just yelled "DAMN IT!" to the heavens
So THAT's why the ThreeBodyProblem show didn't feel compelling like the premise should have been. Poor author didn't do their homework when choosing the script writer.
The author deserves every bit of what they got then. If they are s Sci fi author and don't know what dumb and dumber did to got them they deserve their shit story.
GoT has left such a sour taste for most people so much so that they've don't even enjoy it and a lot of people I've spoken to has erased it from their minds as if GoT didn't happen. Now at the time I blamed Dan and David the most and they do deserve the criticism but the main culprit is George Martin. He either fell out of love with his book or noticed the story became too complicated and can't be wrapped up in a coherent and appealing way. Both could also be true but either way his creation is not a masterpiece nor will it ever be in that discussion as long as its incomplete. Dan and David literally had to make up shit as they went on from S6 onwards.
Someone tell Kevin Hart that targaryens aren’t immune to fire. They’ve been killing each other with dragons since the beginning. It was only Daenerys who is immune to it.
They followed GRR’s blueprint which was great. But when it was time for them to continue their work without his script they showed how inept they were. 🤦🏾♂️
After season 8?! Shit went off the rails at season 3. Beryk not losing parts of his soul with every resurrection, shitting ALL over Dorne, no stoneheart?!?
This is an excellent explainer on why exactly these two are so contemptible. The vanity and arrogance is sickening and these are screenwriters we're talking about. They are the most notorious people in terms of thinking their interpretation of art is just so incredibly brilliant, that everyone should be thankful for the privelage of getting to see their takes...yeah and d&d are the most extreme examples of this cadre. Btw, your pacing is fine. Don't be cowtowed by fools who can't understand simple features like skipping forward by a few seconds or playing at a large array of playback rates.
You nailed it in recognizing that season 5 was when the scripts began failing. My wife and I talked after we saw it and said something is off about this season. We stopped watching after season 6.
All I can hope for is that maybe AI will become so advanced, it will artificially recreate seasons 5-8 using the original voices and actors and give us another season or so, or until the it was finished legitimately.
Honestly, I would've preferred that they never made the show if I knew they were going to eff it up so bad. Watching this show was pure joy. I was deeply invested into it. Something I hadn't done in years. Then we got what we got. I haven't invested in any tv show the same since.
Well, we at least had 4 seasons of really good TV. Not bad, netto. Seasons 5, and 6 were rather avarege and forgetabble so they didn't matter. Then came disasters of seasons 7 and 8, and yeah we'd be better of, if those two weren't ever made. While they didn't make me forget those 4 I liked, they put such a bummer on the series that I actually never re-watched it, not even the first 4 seasons. So, hmm, perhaps you reight.
Peak thrones was when they were following the books, but...to their credit, they did add some great scenes/episodes that weren't in the books. Those Arya/Tywin scenes in this video, & Hardhome to name a few.
The books we're then the show. They thought they could make it better. There were only 6 to 10 episodes, and that's enough to tell the whole story. They left out a lot of characters. Don't make a movie or show if you're not going to use what is written in the book.
That was news to me. Troy didn't suffer from poor writing other than a few instances. The writing was even great on some key points. It just wasn't faithful to the source material. Benioff did very decent in that regard.
Dude - i just found out that DB wrote Flowers for Charlie. They fucked game of thrones but I loved that Sunny episode. Though to be fair, I just kinda like that trope. Flowers for Matthew was one of my favorite Newsradio episodes and the Simpsons episode where Homer gets the crayon removed from his nose too.
3 body problem is honestly a good show and an interesting watch. I am kind of rooting for them. They also have multiple actors in their new show from Game of Thrones, that tells me the actors themselves like D&D and jumped at an opportunity to work with the writers again. I think they proved they could make the best show in the world with book material to adapt, and when it came to the end, they had the same problems GRRM has, wrapping up the story of ASOIAF is nearly impossible due to the amount of characters and story lines. They tried their best and failed, but GRRM will meet the same fate, if he ever finishes the books.
Then why was the original pilot such a disaster that cost HBO millions. if not for Dave's rich banker father backing him HBO would not of given them a second chance . When pilots are that bad shows usually don't get another shot. But because of Dave's father's influence they were given this but HBO had other people helping them after the red wedding an the show got so popular HBO backed off and let them have complete control and everything was downhill from there story wise. Also they left out so much of the source material going all the way back to the first season that set them up to ruin later seasons. Way before season 6 they cut out a lot so running out of source material excuse makes no sense when so much was cut way before they passed the last book.
No its worse, they can write at least when it comes to adaptation. They contributed a lot of brilliant things to the show. What happened was just them stupidly choosing to disrespect and just not giving a shit anymore and wanting to get rid of it. They could have given it over to other writers and leave but they destroyed it and left. It was intentionally done not out of ego.
Which is why I will no longer trust one of their projects. They didn't care enough to end the show right, answer burning questions that they brought up in the seasons. Why make a big deal out of a number of plot points then absolutely no pay off for many of them? If they don't want to continue then get help. plot out a satisfying ending and build toward it.
It's surprising GRRM doesnt hold more (public) resentment towards D&D, because they effectively ruined the mans life work and legacy. If it wasn't for the TV show GRRM would still be respected as an all time great fantasy author, probably up there with the likes of Tolkien. Now all anyone will think about when they hear Ice and Fire is the train wreck of a TV show and a slew of unfinished novels that people don't even care enough to read anymore because we already know how infuriating the ending will be.
Fuck no. He destroyed it himself. All he needed to do is fuckign end the story. Here we are, 8 or more years later and he still fucks around, having time for everything else but this. What a troll.
I love nothing more than a good D&D bash, but dude, you talk way too slow and meander a lot. I pressed the skip button when you were talking about the question GRRM asked D&D because I knew that story already (like 99% of everyone here) and had to press it 2 more times just to get near the end of it. You really have to tighten up the script and train yourself not to pause so much or edit them out. I made it to 7:22 before I just got too annoyed and bored to keep going and believe me, I love bashing those two jokes.
Well they did write several great scenes not in the book, that don't make them good script writers overall and we have evidence that they're not however they are capable to write good if they could be arsed.
The order of fault lays like this… HBO - wanted more but still bent the knee to idiots with lacklustre credentials and, then even knowing had an urge to abort their studio 🤦♂️ GRRM - how flimsy to offer rights to his book series just based on a question? Then he walks away from it because the direction he wanted it to go couldn’t happen… waiting 13 years since the last book, seriously no excuses left! DnD - still put together a great expansive show on the small screen which revolutionised premium high fantasy thereafter… impatience and ego definitely screwed the fans of what could have been the pinnacle of tv. Without doubt, it became a very costly production, and cast and crew were pushed for 10 years and were burnt out, wanting to move on to other things which is understandable… Videos like this highlight how invested people are regardless of how the story ended… says a lot really 🤔
If people read the books, theyd also know that danerys also had another brother besides vyseris that was still alive and looking for her AND was WITH tyrion and jorah in the free cities.
the show was downhill by end of season 4 where they started to deviate from the source material... but their best writing(i think it may not be them) was when they switched Arya being the cup bearer of Reese Bolton to Tywin Lannister. as you stated It shows some talent in their part. But they just needed to 'make it their own' and rushed everything because they were bored... come the f' now...
What must Kit Harrington have thought sitting there as that smug prick said “oh that just made us wanted to kill them even more”. Wow. He was working so hard to keep his face neutral
I hate the idea I've seen going around that D&D are great at adapting, they just can't write original material, and that's why GOT failed, because they ran out of stuff to adapt. 1. S5 is mostly adapted material rather than original stuff, and I noticed a clear dip in quality even though I've never read the books. 2. Multiple characters are simply not adapted correctly. Stannis, Jon Snow, Tyrion, etc. Jon Snow is such a bland, uncomplicated good guy. Stannis is incredibly underwhelming. Tyrion has no character arc after he kills his father. 3. Martin was heavily involved in the show, from S1 up until S4. Then he steps back to focus more on writing ASOIAF, and all of a sudden the next season is noticeably worse than the others. No, D&D are not good at adapting (as is pointed out in this video, both movies Benioff has adapted are heavily criticised for their writing), they just had a very skilled handler.
Hey, I knew about Benioff way back in his Troy days. I read an article about how he was going to change the story for a modern audience -- yes, that story that has entertained people for a couple thousand years -- and I thought: this is going to suck. And so it did. I suspect GRRM chose them because they'd be okay, but not too good, if you know what I mean. It wasn't likely they would outshine him.
15:56 And that's the problem, many people clapping the undeserved egos. Would have been a different history if the actually read the books... 16:40 Key piece, GRM says himself, "They are working on it (not me)" 18:37 hahahaha Nasa lost footage, jajajajajaja 19:55 Thabkfully I just saw the last episodes only resumes of the rest.
They wanted to bring it to an end because they got tired of the show and wanted to move on to doing a starwars movie.. Hope they will have to work really hard in a normal job again.
Just how smug Dan or Dave is being when talking about killing off Ser Barristan shows the ego on these guys, they definitely bought their own hype when in reality 95% of their credit was owed to GRRM's writing!
People who claim the show was good until the final season are completely mistaken-Season 5 is where the writing starts to decline, and it only gets worse from there, Hardhome, The Door, Battle of the Bastards, Winds of Winter, etc are all bad episodes, style but no substance...
I woulda been completely fine with them taking 2 years to complete the final season. Just so they would get it done decently, at worst! Hell, 3 years woulda still been fine.
One dude on YT came up with a video, showing a better and far more reasonable ending to GoT. He also did it in 6 Episodes and didn't get paid millions for it like these 2 goofballs. It involved the Nightking actually conquering half of Westeros (he was immune to dragonglass because the prime werewoodtree, where he was created, gave him his power) and standing before Kings Landing. Then Dany flew to the God's Eye where the "Prime Werewoodtree" was located but the Nightking surprised her there because he knew her plan because he marked Bran in a prior episode so he knew everything they know. So NK standing between Dany and the tree, Dany ordered Drogon to dracarys through her and set the tree ablaze. When tree would be destroyed, all magic in the world would vanish. Meaning the Nightking becoming vulnerable to dragonglass but Jon Snow would die because he only lived through the magic of the red witch. So Drogon burned all the clothes off of Dany and then she stabbed the NK with the dagger, naked, on a snowy island. This final encounter would also be "the song of ice and fire". Then Dany would be queen of Westeros... The End.
@@bastianfuentes8335 it was a very short summary and i left out multiple sideplots, the original video was about 20 minutes long and he explained it in way more detail naturally. I just dont remember the channel or video name anymore... it was a while ago.
@@Josuegurrola Drogon lived but Rhaegal died fighting undead Vyserion. The plot also involved the NK freezing the sea around King's Landing where Euron's fleet was located and then undead Dothraki would ride over the frozen water and destroy Euron's fleet. It would've been a wink to Ned Starks quote in season 1: "I'll only fear Dothraki when their horses learn to ride over the sea."
Why was anyone surprise? when I saw what they did with dorne storyline I was like oh boy these guys do their own thing and they messed everything up, so I was not surprised with the ending pissed yes but not surprised
I don’t Troy is badly written at all. The only things about it I don’t like is that the war was supposed to have lasted 10 years in the source material but in the movie it’s like maybe 10 days at most.
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Imagine running a show so great that you get a deal to do a Star Wars movie, so you RUSH the best show ever made, RUIN THE LAST SEASON, and THEN LOSE the Star Wars movie because of how bad they fucked up 😂
Biggest F in Hollywood.
And in spite of all that, they’re both still insanely rich.😂
@@MainframeMilitiato those narcissistic folks like them they were born into money ... They wouldn't be in that spot without being rich in the 1st place . They always got ahead because of daddy's money ... So with that being said their careers mean more to them than money ...them building a name for themselves is what they always wanted and they ruined that too. They are nothing but fuck up trust fund babies
I don't even care to binge watch GoT because of how bad it ended. I mean you have to be some major azzholes to mess up the greatest tv series in the world
They spiked the football ten yards away from the end zone
I'm still mad Barristan died like that.
It just makes it worse knowing the actor was a huge ASOIAF fan who was excited to finally sink his teeth into some real plot. Then, boom. Best swordsman in Westeros, cut down by some rich twats in an alley.
@@realdaggerman105 If he were alive in Season 8, he could've provided a better catalyst for the Mad Queen.
@@Krayd-q5j his character literally proves Dany isn't the mad queen d&d just pulled that out of there asses .
@@thatoneblackdude3333 how does his character prove she won't eventually snap. in the books she does some cruel things when she's still in Slaver's Bay
@@b1bbscraz3y because he debunked it himself when he met Dany he told her he saw no taint in her she's nothing like her father thus proving she won't go mad like him , doing cruel things has nothing to do with being mad tons of characters do cruel things even Jon is he also going mad ?
If Dan and Dave didn't want to do more seasons, why didn't HBO just get new writers?
Lol
Then they'd be payed less
They wanted all the credit for AGOT not half of it.
Dumb and Dumber chose not to let other writers in it and they were able to choose this because it was their project. They didnt want to let other writers in because they wanted ALL the credits so they could have their DNa all over GOT as a show that was all of their making. Their egotism destroyed the show and is a nice personal lesson for those two egoic asses but a shitty way to end the best thing ever on TV.
Never heard of contracts?
The way the show ended makes me not even care about Game of Thrones or want to even rewatch it.
Why do you think I came all this way?
Yeah it’s really hard to go back and watch the good seasons because I know where things end up
Agreed. But for me HOTD did reignite a little bit of excitement for the series.
@jackhyatt7739 even with hotd I'm just rolling my eyes when they talk about prophecy knowing none of them go anywhere. Love hotd but season 8s stink is still there.
I tried to rewatch Game of Thrones but quite after a couple of episodes in the first season. I just couldn't, knowing the crap ending.
I don't feel any satisfaction. If George doesn't hurry his ass and finish those books this will be the only ending we get.
Blame mostly goes to George in my view
The show ended exactly like George told them it should.
@@leepreston9637 No it didnt.
Did you miss the part where the books suck? He'll never finish them because he lost the plot, quite literally; he's lazy; he knows they suck; and he doesn't want to.
@@AG-iu9lv Yes I missed the part... Same as I have missed you ever reading them.
bro just speak fast without those pauses
IKR, I was about to comment the same thing. Had to watch the vid at 2 times speed.
DAYUM. Though I was the only one. Had to put tje video at 1.25x
He thought he's getting dramatic effects of them pauses 🤣
bro, just listen in 1.5-2x speed
Ayyee, W speed up
And the worst part is HotD forcing us to remember Season 8 with the "prophecy of the song of ice and fire" and the daenerys cameo. Like, let it be its own thing and try not to tie it in with the worst ending in recent pop culture history!
They are probably setting up to do a spin off to finish the white walker story arc with George's proper ending since George told Ryan how his book series ends. This is of course, after HOT D wraps up
@@bonganixalisa4568The copium is real
I can overlook this, because I feel like HotD is more focused on book lore. And in the book, the prophecy is incredibly important to the foundations of the Targaryens and Starks, and is even hinted at with Jacerys’ time in the North in Fire and Blood.
@@bonganixalisa4568 that would be the worst idea I heard since the Jon Snow sequel
@@mocha5742 the books don't explicitly have the prophecy including Aegon the Conqueror and justifying Targaryen rule on the Iron Throne
Im so glad Dumb&Dumber are being remembered as trash
if show ended on season 4 it would've been greatest show ever done, also why didn't Jamie mention that Tysha wasn't a street girl, Tyrion killing he's father and starting villain arc after those words would've been so much more pleasant
like gerris drinkwater said to quentyn "if the guy called 'the bold' tells you 'i wouldn't do it if i were you', you should fucking listen" or something like that. when a book reader that gets to interprete a character he loved says "you shouldn't kill him, its gonna be bad" to you, you should fucking listen insted of make fun of him
there's a lot of book readers who believe Barristan will die in the books most likely soon, because there's already plenty of pov characters and there's about to be even more pov characters in Slaver's Bay with Tyrion and the Greyjoys
Yeah but he would still have got the whole of that season. Wasn’t he mugged off in like episode 2?
"Season 2 was just like season 1, except it was season 2"
Wow. That's some amazing insight.
I’m a little disappointed that you didn’t mention the complete character assassination of Stannis Baratheon, which began all the way back in Season 1. As pointed out by RUclipsr Macabre Storytelling, book Stannis was involved pretty much since the beginning, having helped his brother win his throne and defend it. It was he and NOT Jon Arryn who started the investigation into the parentage of Cersei Lannister’s children. Knowing that Robert would just brush him off, Stannis goes to Jon to start the investigation together. In exchange, Stannis offers to foster Jon’s son Robin on Dragonstone to protect him from the Lannisters. Not knowing why, but not wanting this to happen, Lysa runs to Littlefinger to prevent this. He gives her the idea to poison Jon. Fearing that the Lannisters are on to him and pissed off that Robert never really appreciated him - never making him Hand of the King or even Lord of Storm’s End, Stannis flees back to Dragonstone.
In the show, Stannis seems jazzed about his brother’s death, having seemingly never suspected the legitimacy of Cersei’s children. Book Stannis only has Melisandre around as a means to an end. Show Stannis shows him as a religious zealot who will follow anyone if it will give him power. The ends always justify the means. Also Book Stannis learns to win people over and things go a lot better for him in the book.
Unfortunately you're right. There is also the irrirating fact that the show constantly tries to justify Renly trying to take the Iron Throne for himself with the mere arguments that his brother doesn't bring sympathy to the people and he's just a soldier unfit to rule.
Oh, please, tell me about the 'character assassination' of a character whose literal introduction involves innocent people being burned alive at the hands of his appointed religious zealot and sex toy. No difference between the book and show on this part.
@@SerbAtheist Normally I would agree with boycotting a killer, but this is the Game of Thrones universe we’re talking about. Much like David and Dan, you don’t seem to care about the nuances behind Stannis’ decisions and perhaps you feel that way about other characters too. In the show he is a religious zealot but in the book, it’s his wife who coverts to the Lord of light first. Melisandre is just a means to end, which he never would have had to resort to if he was as popular as his brothers. It was only as his desperation got worse, which was not helped by his jaded faith in the Seven - the religion he believed in when he saw his parents die in Shipbreaker Bay that his defences were finally worn down.
The “sex toy” part allowed him to kill Renly, and as Tywin Lannister stated, a move like this would have insured that the least amount of men who would have had to die would do so. Stannis fights because he is the rightful heir and says “I was trying to win the throne to save the Kingdom when I should’ve been trying to save the Kingdom to win the throne”. I sincerely doubt he would have garnered any popularity at all if D&D were not needed to showcase him as a villain. And in case you can't tell the difference, to show that he cares about proper succession more than himself in the books, he tells the Iron Bank to buy his sellswords no matter what happens to him. Should he die, their priority is to crown his daughter or die in the attempt.
Also even if he was meant to be a villain or tragic character, it’s still important to show the nuances of his inner conflicts or how he got to where he is. Otherwise you can just easily argue that the likes Daenerys Targaryen, Jamie Lannister, Tyrion, and the Hound didn’t suffer character assassinations either. I think I need to clarify. A character does not need to have a tragic ending or have gone from a protagonist to an antagonist to be classified as having gone through a character assassination. I would argue that nearly every major character in GoT has been bastardised at least to some extent. What matters is that D&D did not care about their characters motivations and their subsequent underlying motivations. You don't need to make your characters likeable but you do have to make them understandable.
@@SerbAtheist Bro its not real hahahahaha
@@HansWurst1569 Then why are y'all getting your panties in a bunch so much over the final season to the point of wishing harm to the people who made the entire show happen?
I personally will never waste another minute of my life watching any D&D product 🤷♀️
Agree. I refuse to watch 3 body problem as a matter of principle.
@@fatalshore5068 I'm still so angry at them 😂 But aside from that I also just have zero faith in their ability to write any kind of halfway decent story.
Ever
Tyrion didn't sleep with sansa in book 3, idk what you're talking about
i was looking for this comment.
This was the man who thought it was a good idea to sew Deadpool's mouth shut? He's lucky he made it as far as he did.
Omg, so true. That’s actually insane…😅
Man i can’t stand these AI voices. The gaps between sentences and commas is so blatant, that’s all i can notice. These people should at least edit the audio to give it a natural flow, it’s too distracting lol
The funniest part is I'm pretty sure that's his real voice 💀
Lmfao! Thats not an AI voice, as crazy as it sounds. I think dude might just be a bit slow in the head. That hilarious that he sounds so weird that people think it's AI hahah!
@@hyboirds1536 A bit slow in the head? You are an awful person. I'm sure hew is just being monotone on purpose. Many people do that...
Yeah as much as I'd like to, I cannot watch this entire video with the way the speech is lol
In fairness narrating can be hard and stressful, and based on the sound of his voice it wouldn’t surprise me if English is his second language.
David Benioff is actually a decent writer, he not only wrote the Spike Lee film The 25th Hour but also a film that I think is really good but was a massive box office flop called STAY with Ewan McGregor, Naomi Watts and Ryan Gosling. Still he f****ed up.
3 Body Problem was also pretty decent
Weiss definitely seems to bw the more headass of the two
You really gotta work on your pace bro. Im turning this off 5 mins in because im becoming inpatient listening to you.
The 1x speed listenoooor
@@jimjohnson6944even sped up it’s distracting. just… really stilted speech. like, the pauses are still 2sec long when his actual words are so fast they’re barely comprehensible. plus a monotonous delivery
average tik-tok brained viewer.
bro really putting 2 second spaces between every other word to lengthen the vid
Nah you got book 3 Tyrion all wrong. he didn’t pressure Sansa, he gave her a choice. Shae had it coming n I don’t blame him for ending her. Tyrion lied to Jaime because he jaime lied to him about his first wife. He said those things to hurt him cause he was hurt. He hates Cersei though which you can’t hold against him either.
D&D did soften up all the main characters though, and they made ones they did not like worse. Like Stannis.
GRRM describes tyrion killing Shae as his blackest deed, so yeah him killing her wasn't necessary and was purely driven by his rage and his lust for revenge
According to d&d at a panel, they specifically took out fantasy elements whenever possible, they didn't want to pander to that kind of fan, implying fantasy is 'too feminine'. Imagine removing one of the key elements of the story because you personally think its silly lmao
This is the ONLY reason GoT collapsed. I’m sick of people going on and on about “this character should’ve been king” or “this character should’ve killed the Night King” blah blah blah
It’s solely because they had no respect for the fantasy elements of the show. It’s a FANTASY SHOW and they hated the FANTASY elements!!! How the fuck does that even happen?!?!?!
bro pls talk normal
I didn't notice until I looked at the comments
I just increase the speed to x1.25 or x1.50, the voice is fine, it's just too slow.
They grifted their way through their meeting with Martin. I want to meet Martin one day so I can tell him they got the correct answer to Jon snows mothers identity from any book fan in an online forum. We all knew what was going on around 1999. Just reading the first book, you have to look further than whats being said. Lyanna in her bed of blood. The blue flowers she loved. The tower of joy for rhaegar being the tower of grief for ned. Its written subtly that i doubt dumb and dumber knew just by text alone. They asked someone.
Not only were D&D incompetent with the last season, they were incompetent with the series as a whole. They ignored vital plot lines from the novels, skipped most of the magic (because it wasn't mainstream enough for them), and most of all, they didn't have the experience to pull this off well. Seriously, say what you will about season 2 of HOTD, but it will never be as bad as everything involving these two imbeciles.
I stopped watching at 2:38
Your pauses while talking is insane.
Awesome video. But why do you talk so paused between sentences? Not a critique, just a comment
AI
There’s nothing wrong with giving a critique…especially a valid one…which is what your post is lol
We’re too used with overly polished edits that we’ve forgotten how humans speak.
@@alcyonae? Don't you speak to your friends and family in real life?
@@roddo1955 do you know that identifying context is part of basic literacy skills? I’m obviously commenting on video essays.
In my eyes
ALL BLAME GOES TO GEORGE FOR NOT FINISHING THE DAMN BOOKS AND VISITING STUPID ASS CONVENTIONS, INTERVIEWS AND SHIT
HE CRUMBLED UNDER PRESSURE
HE SHOULD'VE FINISHED THE BOOKS AND THEN THEY SHOULD'VE STARTED THE TV SHOW💀
BRO GAVE THEM THE BEST SOURCE MATERIAL AND THEN GAVE THEM LITERALLY NOTHING
it's like Shakespeare writing 50% of the play and then handing it to you to complete the rest WHICH YOU 100% WILL FUCKUP since you can't write even 10% of what he can
Agreed. If he'd spent less time fucking about on sidecar projects as well as having his ego stroked at conventions and more time at his desk working on the books, they'd have had more to adapt.
That's not a good enough excuse they cut out so much material going all the way back to the first season that set them up to ruin later seasons. Like so much source material was cut way before season 6 .
I agree. D&D hold their share of blame for I guess arrogance in thinking they could finish it without input of Martin but most of all for rushing it. For that I agree they are rightfully blamed for the flop of season 8 (and 5, and 6, and 7 too). But this god damned troll Martin escaped the responsibility somehow despite not delivering the last book for decades now? He is as much at fault as they are, he and his lazy ass. But people seem not to remeber it.
bro get over yourself, he wrote an amazing series and lost the motivation to finish it after releasing thousands and thousands of pages and extended lore. it happens, he's only human.
Agree with GRRM not finishing the series, but so much was left out in the show. Also, with the books published, a far better ending could have been scripted
They executed 4-5 season of the show flawlessly, making one of the best TV shows of all time and then you have people wondering why HBO execs trusted them. Well that's why. Stop acting like you don't know.
I think he meant more specifically with the writing. They should never have been trusted with writing any of the plot. They're great at adapting, not at creating
@@johnaverill6308 sure, that ended up being true with later seasons. But in early seasons, some of the best dialogue was not from the books. Great example was conversation between Cersei and Robert, but there were many other great ones.
The big problem was that it seems like they were already bored with GoT and wanted to move to other projects. For me that is insane, but many people close to the show indicated that to be the case.
@@Constantinch pretty sure other writers came in and wrote those show exclusive scenes, at least most of them. All the stuff they've written in the past is mid at best and nothing as close to as complex as asoiaf was. HBO should've known better than to trust them with writing GoT.
Yeah I think them wanting to move on was part of it, but I think it was mainly their egos led them to believe they were too good for GoT
"flawlessly" but Dorne was in season 5
George was very involved in the first 4 seasons, we don't know exactly what he or anyone specifically did, but he wrote an episode per season, and according to George they would listen to his suggestions a lot, but stopped listening in later seasons.
They were indeed on the first season's good scenes and good dialogue that were not from the books, but somehow from s05 the scenes and dialogue that were not from the books, got worse and you could tell. To me, it was super obvious on season 6 that characters sounded dummer when speaking. It was frustrating to read the reviews not addressing it.
Had my suspicions that these guys were washed, when they skipped Tyrion's first battle in the first season, then the character assassination of Stannis, and the lack of Lady Stoneheart, to name very few. The one that solidified it for me was, completely flipping Jaime's rescue of Tyrion, it's the moment when their relationship crumbles and seems unrecoverable, in the show it's a strengthening of their bond. They went from adaption to fan fiction.
I remember meeting Ian (Ser Barristan) in person at the Thronefest here in the UK. He voiced his dissatisfaction about his character's end during an interview session that they did there and said the same to me in person when I met him, I ofc shared the same sentiment and he seemed happy to hear that other fans also were on his side. Him and his character were really done dirty.
Holy cow dude stop with the pauses, I can’t even watch this video. Wildly obnoxious.
I'm always surprised that D and D got Jon's mum right!
They read it on Reddit stg
That's what they all say, D&D, and Martin, but is that even a truth? We have no idea what happened then. Notice that they never, ever actually say that name of Jon's mom during those interviews, not until it is revealed late in the show. Perhaps during that conversation they have guessed wrong, but Marting made decison anyways? For other reasons. Maybe for money and promise of creative control? Then they concocted the nice story about final test question just to give some solid footing to D&D, both rather inexpierenced and not at all successful writers (su they would look more convincing when appraching HBO) AND shut the faces of other writers, most probably better ones who were refused before? I don't put that scenario past Martin, who certainly could have thought of such plot.
Its worse when House of the Dragon has proved they could have easily done it without them. I get they were tired of being away from their family for the majority of a year. Though if you are not up for it I don't really understand why they were so eager in wanting to work on a TV show to begin with. It is kind of the bargin you make in doing a show. This is the rare occasion where a show needed a Walking dead length run to tell the complete story. If they had told HBO to look for replacements for them during season 3 and that season 4 would be their last. They would have been fondly remembered as the guys who got the ball rolling and gave us some of the best TV ever.
1:26 the moment they didn't film the battle (ambush) of Robb versus Jaime I realized this was a future sheetpiece. I could remember more holes but I will not make the effort.
Oh because we see actually battle in the books. All we read then was how afraid is Catelin 😒
Operative word here 4:09 "They said all the right things"
well, I think most people realized that they were not great writers as soon as they released the first season that was not covered by the books that were out. But I wouldn't call their downfall satisfying. They had a hand in creating the first 3 seasons as well, where most of the writing was taken care of by the books, but it was their job to select what goes into the show in order to tell a coherent story, and they did a good job. Unless I'm mistaken and that was not their job, but someone else's?
I just don't buy the "who is Jon Snow's mother" question/answer because the fandom had long figured it out. It was no secret whatsoever. I think it's more likely the money was there plus the technical capability to recreate his vision.
Mercy out here catching strays 😭
Ian M, if you somehow read this, you played Barristan flawlessly. I think all of my fellow book fans have YOUR performance as their headcanon visualisations.
Whenever I read ASOIAF, for the rest of my life I will see you whenever Barristan appears😊
Thank you so much. Thank you for staying so professional even under bad circumstances. We have nothing but respect and pride for you
I started watching during Season Three. I only needed 5 minutes of watching Dany to realize the male writers were going build her up ALL the WAY, then tear her down at the very end in a completely illogical and nonsensical narrative. I knew 5 years before it happened. If you want to see the ultimate critique of men writing for women heros, watch the last episode of
She-Hulk. For decades, She-Hulk is the only comic book character who is SELF-AWARE. She knows she is a comic book character. At the end of the series, when the writers use a cliche ending with her powerless and needing to be rescued. She-Hulk stops the show, climbs out of the frame, hunts down the Marvel writers at Disney, and forces changes in her narrative with KEVIN.
Don't get me started on that Jem and the Holograms movie.
I understand it can be hard to write a show but to bomb it as badly as they did??…that takes extra effort
At the time d&b met w/ grrm, the books had a very large on-line fan presence w/ several large forums for the fandom. The fan theory abt jon snow had long been the MOST widely discussed and accepted speculation by the fandom, and could not have been overlooked by d&b if they had done ANY online research of the book series.
Calling Troy poorly written is insane
Troy is a shit show
Well they sevearly reduced the magic and the gods which were the important aspects in the illiad.
@@Vadapalli_Vivek I mean the story to be about people and only people was a nice approach. Only problem with the movie is that it wasnt something special to justify budget and expectations. Even the actors didnt care that much
It is poorly written if you actually read the Illiad
It's poorly written to be a movie about the Iliad, the Iliad exist, they could just copy that, not a crime, Troy is literally the Iliad, but no, they changed important things, good movie, bad Iliad, good cinematics but bad writing
Got a serious list going in the 21st century of examples of 'be careful what you wish for.'
Everyone knew who jon's mother was if they had ever looked at a fan forum, or someone who was especially astute. First time readers have noticed it too. Needed deeper questions about themes and character
I bet all those producers were looking forward to slapping "from the writers of Game of Thrones" all over their new product and were ready for the money train to enter and then saw not only the final season but DnD's attitude to the whole thing and just yelled "DAMN IT!" to the heavens
Hearing Kevin hart name drop the characters while complaining about the ending gives me great relief!
So THAT's why the ThreeBodyProblem show didn't feel compelling like the premise should have been.
Poor author didn't do their homework when choosing the script writer.
The author deserves every bit of what they got then. If they are s Sci fi author and don't know what dumb and dumber did to got them they deserve their shit story.
GoT has left such a sour taste for most people so much so that they've don't even enjoy it and a lot of people I've spoken to has erased it from their minds as if GoT didn't happen. Now at the time I blamed Dan and David the most and they do deserve the criticism but the main culprit is George Martin. He either fell out of love with his book or noticed the story became too complicated and can't be wrapped up in a coherent and appealing way. Both could also be true but either way his creation is not a masterpiece nor will it ever be in that discussion as long as its incomplete. Dan and David literally had to make up shit as they went on from S6 onwards.
I think _3 Body Problem_ will be fine as long as they have a book to follow.
Someone tell Kevin Hart that targaryens aren’t immune to fire. They’ve been killing each other with dragons since the beginning. It was only Daenerys who is immune to it.
They followed GRR’s blueprint which was great. But when it was time for them to continue their work without his script they showed how inept they were. 🤦🏾♂️
My dude is speaking so slow like he’s reading a telegram letter
After season 8?! Shit went off the rails at season 3. Beryk not losing parts of his soul with every resurrection, shitting ALL over Dorne, no stoneheart?!?
im sorry does he have a breathing issue? a sentence, pause, sentence.
This is an excellent explainer on why exactly these two are so contemptible. The vanity and arrogance is sickening and these are screenwriters we're talking about. They are the most notorious people in terms of thinking their interpretation of art is just so incredibly brilliant, that everyone should be thankful for the privelage of getting to see their takes...yeah and d&d are the most extreme examples of this cadre.
Btw, your pacing is fine. Don't be cowtowed by fools who can't understand simple features like skipping forward by a few seconds or playing at a large array of playback rates.
You nailed it in recognizing that season 5 was when the scripts began failing. My wife and I talked after we saw it and said something is off about this season. We stopped watching after season 6.
I can’t even rewatch the good seasons because I know how terrible it is towards the end
All I can hope for is that maybe AI will become so advanced, it will artificially recreate seasons 5-8 using the original voices and actors and give us another season or so, or until the it was finished legitimately.
Honestly, I would've preferred that they never made the show if I knew they were going to eff it up so bad. Watching this show was pure joy. I was deeply invested into it. Something I hadn't done in years. Then we got what we got. I haven't invested in any tv show the same since.
Well, we at least had 4 seasons of really good TV. Not bad, netto. Seasons 5, and 6 were rather avarege and forgetabble so they didn't matter. Then came disasters of seasons 7 and 8, and yeah we'd be better of, if those two weren't ever made. While they didn't make me forget those 4 I liked, they put such a bummer on the series that I actually never re-watched it, not even the first 4 seasons. So, hmm, perhaps you reight.
Season 5 and 6 were pretty bad, 7 and 8 worse.
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You’re wild for that bro 😂😂😂
Peak thrones was when they were following the books, but...to their credit, they did add some great scenes/episodes that weren't in the books. Those Arya/Tywin scenes in this video, & Hardhome to name a few.
The books we're then the show. They thought they could make it better. There were only 6 to 10 episodes, and that's enough to tell the whole story. They left out a lot of characters. Don't make a movie or show if you're not going to use what is written in the book.
That was news to me. Troy didn't suffer from poor writing other than a few instances. The writing was even great on some key points. It just wasn't faithful to the source material. Benioff did very decent in that regard.
I wonder if they regret how they finished GoT.
Where the arc of jaquen ag'hhaar? 😢
Dude - i just found out that DB wrote Flowers for Charlie. They fucked game of thrones but I loved that Sunny episode. Though to be fair, I just kinda like that trope. Flowers for Matthew was one of my favorite Newsradio episodes and the Simpsons episode where Homer gets the crayon removed from his nose too.
3 body problem is honestly a good show and an interesting watch. I am kind of rooting for them.
They also have multiple actors in their new show from Game of Thrones, that tells me the actors themselves like D&D and jumped at an opportunity to work with the writers again. I think they proved they could make the best show in the world with book material to adapt, and when it came to the end, they had the same problems GRRM has, wrapping up the story of ASOIAF is nearly impossible due to the amount of characters and story lines. They tried their best and failed, but GRRM will meet the same fate, if he ever finishes the books.
Then why was the original pilot such a disaster that cost HBO millions. if not for Dave's rich banker father backing him HBO would not of given them a second chance . When pilots are that bad shows usually don't get another shot. But because of Dave's father's influence they were given this but HBO had other people helping them after the red wedding an the show got so popular HBO backed off and let them have complete control and everything was downhill from there story wise. Also they left out so much of the source material going all the way back to the first season that set them up to ruin later seasons. Way before season 6 they cut out a lot so running out of source material excuse makes no sense when so much was cut way before they passed the last book.
They were good at adapting source material, nothing else.
No its worse, they can write at least when it comes to adaptation. They contributed a lot of brilliant things to the show. What happened was just them stupidly choosing to disrespect and just not giving a shit anymore and wanting to get rid of it. They could have given it over to other writers and leave but they destroyed it and left. It was intentionally done not out of ego.
Which is why I will no longer trust one of their projects. They didn't care enough to end the show right, answer burning questions that they brought up in the seasons. Why make a big deal out of a number of plot points then absolutely no pay off for many of them? If they don't want to continue then get help. plot out a satisfying ending and build toward it.
It's surprising GRRM doesnt hold more (public) resentment towards D&D, because they effectively ruined the mans life work and legacy.
If it wasn't for the TV show GRRM would still be respected as an all time great fantasy author, probably up there with the likes of Tolkien. Now all anyone will think about when they hear Ice and Fire is the train wreck of a TV show and a slew of unfinished novels that people don't even care enough to read anymore because we already know how infuriating the ending will be.
Fuck no. He destroyed it himself. All he needed to do is fuckign end the story. Here we are, 8 or more years later and he still fucks around, having time for everything else but this. What a troll.
I love nothing more than a good D&D bash, but dude, you talk way too slow and meander a lot. I pressed the skip button when you were talking about the question GRRM asked D&D because I knew that story already (like 99% of everyone here) and had to press it 2 more times just to get near the end of it. You really have to tighten up the script and train yourself not to pause so much or edit them out. I made it to 7:22 before I just got too annoyed and bored to keep going and believe me, I love bashing those two jokes.
Well they did write several great scenes not in the book, that don't make them good script writers overall and we have evidence that they're not however they are capable to write good if they could be arsed.
The order of fault lays like this…
HBO - wanted more but still bent the knee to idiots with lacklustre credentials and, then even knowing had an urge to abort their studio 🤦♂️
GRRM - how flimsy to offer rights to his book series just based on a question? Then he walks away from it because the direction he wanted it to go couldn’t happen… waiting 13 years since the last book, seriously no excuses left!
DnD - still put together a great expansive show on the small screen which revolutionised premium high fantasy thereafter… impatience and ego definitely screwed the fans of what could have been the pinnacle of tv.
Without doubt, it became a very costly production, and cast and crew were pushed for 10 years and were burnt out, wanting to move on to other things which is understandable…
Videos like this highlight how invested people are regardless of how the story ended… says a lot really 🤔
If people read the books, theyd also know that danerys also had another brother besides vyseris that was still alive and looking for her AND was WITH tyrion and jorah in the free cities.
GREAT video! The little quips you throw in so casually are funny as hell…and I totally agree with your assessment of the downfall of the show!
the show was downhill by end of season 4 where they started to deviate from the source material... but their best writing(i think it may not be them) was when they switched Arya being the cup bearer of Reese Bolton to Tywin Lannister. as you stated It shows some talent in their part. But they just needed to 'make it their own' and rushed everything because they were bored... come the f' now...
What must Kit Harrington have thought sitting there as that smug prick said “oh that just made us wanted to kill them even more”. Wow. He was working so hard to keep his face neutral
I do not even start to read the books, before George finishes it.
I hate the idea I've seen going around that D&D are great at adapting, they just can't write original material, and that's why GOT failed, because they ran out of stuff to adapt.
1. S5 is mostly adapted material rather than original stuff, and I noticed a clear dip in quality even though I've never read the books.
2. Multiple characters are simply not adapted correctly. Stannis, Jon Snow, Tyrion, etc. Jon Snow is such a bland, uncomplicated good guy. Stannis is incredibly underwhelming. Tyrion has no character arc after he kills his father.
3. Martin was heavily involved in the show, from S1 up until S4. Then he steps back to focus more on writing ASOIAF, and all of a sudden the next season is noticeably worse than the others.
No, D&D are not good at adapting (as is pointed out in this video, both movies Benioff has adapted are heavily criticised for their writing), they just had a very skilled handler.
Hey, I knew about Benioff way back in his Troy days. I read an article about how he was going to change the story for a modern audience -- yes, that story that has entertained people for a couple thousand years -- and I thought: this is going to suck. And so it did.
I suspect GRRM chose them because they'd be okay, but not too good, if you know what I mean. It wasn't likely they would outshine him.
15:56 And that's the problem, many people clapping the undeserved egos. Would have been a different history if the actually read the books...
16:40 Key piece, GRM says himself, "They are working on it (not me)"
18:37 hahahaha Nasa lost footage, jajajajajaja
19:55 Thabkfully I just saw the last episodes only resumes of the rest.
Best thing DnD season 8 did was the flashgitz animation
“Lost it all” “downfall” what are you talking about they are the writers for a huge and successful show at this very moment
PTSD from GOT even forbid me from watching HOTD.
They wanted to bring it to an end because they got tired of the show and wanted to move on to doing a starwars movie..
Hope they will have to work really hard in a normal job again.
Watched this on 1.25 speed just to not fall asleep.
8:02 “Season 2 was like season 1, but if it was season 2.”
What the fuck?
I enjoyed 3 body problem but I’m torn if I want to continue now, at least the books are finished
Just how smug Dan or Dave is being when talking about killing off Ser Barristan shows the ego on these guys, they definitely bought their own hype when in reality 95% of their credit was owed to GRRM's writing!
“Season 2 was like season 1 but if it was season 2” ?!?! And who gave you authority to critique someone’s writing. Absurd
People who claim the show was good until the final season are completely mistaken-Season 5 is where the writing starts to decline, and it only gets worse from there, Hardhome, The Door, Battle of the Bastards, Winds of Winter, etc are all bad episodes, style but no substance...
I woulda been completely fine with them taking 2 years to complete the final season. Just so they would get it done decently, at worst!
Hell, 3 years woulda still been fine.
Is there realy a petition to remake season 8 but make it good?!
One dude on YT came up with a video, showing a better and far more reasonable ending to GoT.
He also did it in 6 Episodes and didn't get paid millions for it like these 2 goofballs.
It involved the Nightking actually conquering half of Westeros (he was immune to dragonglass because the prime werewoodtree, where he was created, gave him his power) and standing before Kings Landing.
Then Dany flew to the God's Eye where the "Prime Werewoodtree" was located but the Nightking surprised her there because he knew her plan because he marked Bran in a prior episode so he knew everything they know.
So NK standing between Dany and the tree, Dany ordered Drogon to dracarys through her and set the tree ablaze.
When tree would be destroyed, all magic in the world would vanish.
Meaning the Nightking becoming vulnerable to dragonglass but Jon Snow would die because he only lived through the magic of the red witch.
So Drogon burned all the clothes off of Dany and then she stabbed the NK with the dagger, naked, on a snowy island.
This final encounter would also be "the song of ice and fire".
Then Dany would be queen of Westeros... The End.
better than the actual ending but boring anyway
Fooock that would have been epic. All it would mean dragons die I guess.
@@bastianfuentes8335 it was a very short summary and i left out multiple sideplots, the original video was about 20 minutes long and he explained it in way more detail naturally.
I just dont remember the channel or video name anymore... it was a while ago.
@@Josuegurrola Drogon lived but Rhaegal died fighting undead Vyserion.
The plot also involved the NK freezing the sea around King's Landing where Euron's fleet was located and then undead Dothraki would ride over the frozen water and destroy Euron's fleet.
It would've been a wink to Ned Starks quote in season 1: "I'll only fear Dothraki when their horses learn to ride over the sea."
Why was anyone surprise? when I saw what they did with dorne storyline I was like oh boy these guys do their own thing and they messed everything up, so I was not surprised with the ending pissed yes but not surprised
I don’t Troy is badly written at all. The only things about it I don’t like is that the war was supposed to have lasted 10 years in the source material but in the movie it’s like maybe 10 days at most.
Pissed of at Martin. He never finished the series.
They went straight Wolverine origins
Why do people only mention season 8. The writing took a hit well before then.