Had a blast, thanks for inviting me on to the channel 'Tog! Interesting to see just how much more capable the MiG's were in this particular case than they were in real life
Today, the 2nd of January 2021, is the 55th Anniversary of that very operation. The operation was brilliantly plotted, neatly orchestrated and magnificently carried out. General Olds is a real air Ace.
One of the most successful operation during the air war in Nam...my respect to commander Robin Olds...am proud to have this particular F-4 in 1/72 scale diecast from Olds
For full effect, the MiG 21 WT players should have been told they were filming to see how quick they could kill bombers. Only to find out it was multiple squadrons of F-4 Phantoms with expert player talent
Robin Olds is an American hero. Besides disguising F-4 ‘s as Thuds. He had his ground crews put gun pods on several planes. Our missiles at the time were not very reliable, and at short distances he knew he needed a damn gun. Great job and much respect to all who fought in vietnam
Oh yeah Robin olds , trojan horse whoop whoop ! 😎😎😎 he definitely does not get enough credit today as he did in the time it happened. Thank you so much for the commentary and bringing this up to to light Present time
IM SO IMPRESSED WITH THE SKILLS OF OUR PILOTS. I’M A RETIRED 🇺🇸 USAF PJ VIETNAM ERA AND TOTALLY 💯 ID WITH THIS VIDEO.WISH WE HAD SOME TO SHOW WHAT PJ’s DID IN VIETNAM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR KINDNESS. DOC MAGOO
Robin Olds' father, Major General Robert Olds was Curtis LeMay's CO. My top Air Force officers I greatly admire are General Curtis LeMay, General Daniel James and Brigadier General Robin Olds
@@PilotPhotog just wondering do you plan on doing a video for finlands hx fighter contest if you do you might want to make it a two parter given all the aircraft
Vu Ngoc Dinh was one of the VPAF pilots in this battle... apparently he not only survived being shot down BUT later in that same year in 67 would become a VPAF Vietnam War ace!!!😮
It wasn't a tactic but it did work and no I'm not talking about operation bolo which was fantastic. An F-105 when he had mig behind him and new he couldn't shake him. Simply raised his nose up and dropped his bombs. The Mig Pilot had a quick moment to think of some swear word before the bombs hit his aircraft and sent him into to ground. It was one of the rare confirmed air to air kills with conventional drop bombs.
Rate of climbs F 4/MiG 21 41,300/44,280 ft/min, wing loading F 4/MiG 21 78/70 lb/sq ft2, thrust/weight F 4/MiG 21 .86/.79, radar range F 4/MiG 21 53.75/12.5 ml. F 4 is upper class airplane. 1 on 1 MiG 21 have small chances against F 4. Better electronic.
When two of your favorite content creators do a collaboration I think the Mig-21 is the equivalent of the F-5 The F-4 vs Mig-21 isn’t really that fair imo
Normally I wouldn't ever comment before watching the video, but I was hyped for this so here I am .. part of the cringe notification squad, cause i know it'll be good content. I'm still amazed to this day how far you've come in such a short time, you work like a donkey! Every new video is just that bit better, always evolving. Not gonna lie. As a content creator myself i don't have that military style commitment to better myself each day, I'm happy you haven't lost that yet and keep evolving. You do you brother 🤙🤙And thanks for the content. You're an inspiration.
Thank you as always Savage, you've been here from the early days and I look forward to your comment/feedback. I've got more things planned for 2021 and happy to have you along for the ride.
Too nice video showing F4s aircraft is more abilities to remaining as active and successfully aircraft...until 70th last century but mig 21 ..in 1965 -1967 Israel's airforce successfully thrown out mig 21 from skies dominated...in middle east skies one of Israel's aircrafts were F-4s ..thanks for sending friend
It was quite a feat, especially since F-4Cs had no internal guns and at the time I belive they still didn't used gunpods, so only crappy versions of Sidewinders and Sparrows with very low PK.
Also if the Soviets sent advisors and technicians to help install and operate the SA2 SAM sites wouldn't they have also sent pilots and that is experienced pilots or veterans of WW2 or KOREA to challenge USAF or USN forces during the war???
I don't wanna take a thing away from Robin Olds, a certified Nat'l hero, man among men, and among the top fighter pilots this country has ever produced, and I could go on. But. Operation BOLO was a copy of a ruse played out by VMS 214, against the Japanese during WW2, planned, executed, and led by it's leader, Greg Boyington. While it may have been a much less highly technical operation, it was the same basic plan.
09:15 FYI The rules of engagement were ignored for Bola as it had been arranged so that no other US airplanes were in flight. (at least according to the Dark Docs clip I just watched prior to this)
I have a question for you Photog. Most people compare the F-111 to the MiG-23/27 but I believe a better comparison would be to the MiG-25 (compared to the F-111B at least) what do you think?
F-111 is a tactical bomber, it was really only given the "F" designation to appease congress, but it proved to be a god-awful fighter, actually worse than the F-4 Phantom it was designed to replace! The F-111B was the failed naval variant of it (the USN decided to pursue the F-14 instead). The MiG-25 on the other hand is a long range air defense interceptor, so it's really not comparable in role, although it was about as maneuverable, and roughly equal in speed at most altitudes. The MiG-27 is pretty close to the role the F-111 fulfilled, (sub par in comparison, but designed to do the same thing), but its closest actual rival is really the Tu-22 "Blinder" or Tu-22M "Backfire" bombers
@@ArmorCast I was going off the idea that the F-111B was supposed to be an interceptor with the Phoenix missiles and that they had relatively comparable speeds. They also were both known to be miserable dog fighters as neither were maneuverable.
Love the channel, keep up the good work! It would be nice to include thrust to weight ratio and maybe minimum operational speed in the specs. Especially in a match like this, these are interesting factors to add to the comparison
i was a mig pilot in this video, and let me tell you, we DEFINITELY did not know what hit us. taking off and seeing a whole cloud of F-4 phantoms staring us in the face was terrifying to say the least LOL
This video was great, EXCEPT the Scottish Koala was in AB the whole fight. If they did that during Bolo, all of the F-4s would have been hosed. That F-4 is a hungry beast.
Wouldn't the Soviets have been able to send MORE MiG 21s to replenish the 5 to 7 shotdown during Operation Bolo? Sure rhe MiG 21 is more advanced than a MiG 15 or MiG 17 and may cost more but a MiG 21 is surely cheaper than an F4 Phantom or F105 Thunderchief? Because apparently all VPAF pilots according to Vietnamese sources survived and ejected safely so that means they can return to fight another day or even train a new generation of pilots?
Your voice is sooooo similar to a guy around here on youtube, It's hard to believe that it's not the same person. Do you run any other youtube projects? By the way I love your channel.
@@_ace_defective_ I know in the event thing they did in the video they were using 9E's (I'm also a War Thunder player) but F-4E's could carry 9J's and there are kills recorded with them in Vietnam. Considering the type of mission and risk involved with it I'm sure irl they used 9J's.
@@evangalinsky2499 9Js weren't used in Operation Bolo. They had a very limited career, and were first operational in 1969, 2 years after Operation Bolo.
Nice idea but the war thunder thing just did not work IMO. I like the game but its way too arcadey to get an accurate representation of a historical battle. I mean look its just one big mass of fighters turning and burning at each other. No real world tactics involved whatsoever and the actual battle was not represented well at all by SK, literally just head on missle firing of masses of players. The other players casually talking and joking also takes away from the historical value. I think a future video with some of the guys who play DCS like Growling Sidewinder would work so much better as it has a much more mature player base.
hi tog i really like your videos. but i think you should not do any more "specifications" parts because they are slightly boring and kind of pointless. instead, you could talk about some fun facts, like how you did just before you talked about the specifications. thanks, would love to see you play war thunder too! :)
Thank you and a fair point - I will try to work in more fun facts and details about the jets. I have a war thunder account but haven't played in a while - I think I got up to the P-40
The story was great but the actual war thunder was painful to watch! That lad was full of himself and it was cringe worthy watching them all grasping for position! Sorry but not for me
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Had a blast, thanks for inviting me on to the channel 'Tog! Interesting to see just how much more capable the MiG's were in this particular case than they were in real life
Thank you! It was a pleasure working with you and looking forward to more collabs in the near future!
Today, the 2nd of January 2021, is the 55th Anniversary of that very operation. The operation was brilliantly plotted, neatly orchestrated and magnificently carried out. General Olds is a real air Ace.
Robin Olds was a genius at mission planning. The other side didn’t have a chance!
One of the most successful operation during the air war in Nam...my respect to commander Robin Olds...am proud to have this particular F-4 in 1/72 scale diecast from Olds
For full effect, the MiG 21 WT players should have been told they were filming to see how quick they could kill bombers. Only to find out it was multiple squadrons of F-4 Phantoms with expert player talent
Robin Olds is an American hero. Besides disguising F-4 ‘s as Thuds. He had his ground crews put gun pods on several planes. Our missiles at the time were not very reliable, and at short distances he knew he needed a damn gun. Great job and much respect to all who fought in vietnam
2:42 thats some rlly nice 3d modelling!!
Thank you, glad you liked it and more on the way.
Oh yeah Robin olds , trojan horse whoop whoop ! 😎😎😎 he definitely does not get enough credit today as he did in the time it happened. Thank you so much for the commentary and bringing this up to to light Present time
IM SO IMPRESSED WITH THE SKILLS OF OUR PILOTS. I’M A RETIRED 🇺🇸 USAF PJ VIETNAM ERA AND TOTALLY 💯 ID WITH THIS VIDEO.WISH WE HAD SOME TO SHOW WHAT PJ’s DID IN VIETNAM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR KINDNESS. DOC MAGOO
As a fan of yours and of Scottish koala, I'm so happy to see that yall collaborated! Well done I loved every second of the video
Thank you!
Robin holds was loved by his men , he was willing to fly and fight with his people
Awesome!!!! I had so much fun in the reenactment, I was the white MiG-21!!!! (aka the Chinese J-7II)
it was such an honor being the first kill of this re-enactment! wonderful job to all involved! :)
If those were real F4s, they would be dropping out of the air if they flew in AB all of the time.
Yep, the Phantom was/is thirsty...thanks for commenting!
We see the same in movies where F-15's and F/A-18's are in afterburner 100% of the time. Yes, looking at you 'Air Force One' and 'Independence Day'.
No kidding I killed one with a harrier once they always try to turn fight and I always shoot them down because of it
@@spartanx9293 I have won countless dogfights against Harriers in my F-4E.
@@sharpstriker1559 I have too but most people don't use it correctly
Colonel Olds credited the enlisted maintenance personal who fitted the F-4s with the electronic equipment for the success of Operation Bolo
Robin Olds' father, Major General Robert Olds was Curtis LeMay's CO.
My top Air Force officers I greatly admire are General Curtis LeMay, General Daniel James and Brigadier General Robin Olds
Yes you two are perfect for this subject
Thanks! It was great working with TSK and more to come!
@@PilotPhotog just wondering do you plan on doing a video for finlands hx fighter contest if you do you might want to make it a two parter given all the aircraft
@@spartanx9293 yep, that is the next video - I will see how I can either fit it in one video or make a two part series
Bravo gentlemen bravo. Awesome job Tog as always!
Thank you sir!
This is absolutely epic! Excellent work on this!
Thank you! Cheers!
Phenomenal subject and production quality! Keep up the great work! Love the desktop rendering, by the way.
Thank you! That’s my virtual study/man cave that I will be adding to over time as each video is released.
Vu Ngoc Dinh was one of the VPAF pilots in this battle... apparently he not only survived being shot down BUT later in that same year in 67 would become a VPAF Vietnam War ace!!!😮
It wasn't a tactic but it did work and no I'm not talking about operation bolo which was fantastic.
An F-105 when he had mig behind him and new he couldn't shake him. Simply raised his nose up and dropped his bombs. The Mig Pilot had a quick moment to think of some swear word before the bombs hit his aircraft and sent him into to ground.
It was one of the rare confirmed air to air kills with conventional drop bombs.
Did not know that - thanks for sharing!
Imagine the anger in the vietnamese genrals faces hearing that an american bomb took out one of their aircraft in midair
F-105 pilot played wayyy to much Ace Combat
I giggle every time I hear The Scottish Koala. Too cool. My tag is StarChief.
He's great to work with - I don't play war thunder too often but my tag is PilotPhotog :)
Rate of climbs F 4/MiG 21 41,300/44,280 ft/min, wing loading F 4/MiG 21 78/70 lb/sq ft2, thrust/weight F 4/MiG 21 .86/.79, radar range F 4/MiG 21 53.75/12.5 ml. F 4 is upper class airplane. 1 on 1 MiG 21 have small chances against F 4. Better electronic.
Brilliant strategy, awesome!!
Thank you Juan!
When two of your favorite content creators do a collaboration
I think the Mig-21 is the equivalent of the F-5
The F-4 vs Mig-21 isn’t really that fair imo
Thank you! And yes MiG-21 is very comparable to the F-5
Normally I wouldn't ever comment before watching the video, but I was hyped for this so here I am .. part of the cringe notification squad, cause i know it'll be good content.
I'm still amazed to this day how far you've come in such a short time, you work like a donkey! Every new video is just that bit better, always evolving. Not gonna lie. As a content creator myself i don't have that military style commitment to better myself each day, I'm happy you haven't lost that yet and keep evolving.
You do you brother 🤙🤙And thanks for the content. You're an inspiration.
Thank you as always Savage, you've been here from the early days and I look forward to your comment/feedback. I've got more things planned for 2021 and happy to have you along for the ride.
@@PilotPhotog no brother.. thank you.
Thanks to Koala, I've found a new favourite channel. Just the content I'm looking for
Love the graphics used in the dimensions and models. Fun to use Game recreations of the battle too.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it and thanks for your ongoing support!
Too nice video showing F4s aircraft is more abilities to remaining as active and successfully aircraft...until 70th last century but mig 21 ..in 1965 -1967 Israel's airforce successfully thrown out mig 21 from skies dominated...in middle east skies one of Israel's aircrafts were F-4s ..thanks for sending friend
Thank you as always Andreas! Glad you enjoyed the video
@@PilotPhotog thanks friend..videos sending from I appreciate it too much thanks
That was a fun video :) can't wait to see more, the graphics lately have been awesome
Thanks Brawler! That F-105 looked pretty cool don't you think?
@@PilotPhotog 🤔
it looked nice heh
Perfect use of war thunder
Thank you glad you enjoyed it
Wow! Super well done, professional, and informative. Thank you for your awesome 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very interesting video as always, keep it up
Thanks, will do!
It was quite a feat, especially since F-4Cs had no internal guns and at the time I belive they still didn't used gunpods, so only crappy versions of Sidewinders and Sparrows with very low PK.
Nice job
Thank you glad you enjoyed the video
Also if the Soviets sent advisors and technicians to help install and operate the SA2 SAM sites wouldn't they have also sent pilots and that is experienced pilots or veterans of WW2 or KOREA to challenge USAF or USN forces during the war???
how good is the MiG as a fighter with only 2 missiles? the phantom carries 8!!
And the Mig was totally helpness in the aerial fight!!
WOW what excellent video showing powerful abilities of several situations of flying 👍👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻...US aircrafts every when its superior
Glad you enjoyed it
The famous snow capped mountains of south Vietnam
I don't wanna take a thing away from Robin Olds, a certified Nat'l hero, man among men, and among the top fighter pilots this country has ever produced, and I could go on. But. Operation BOLO was a copy of a ruse played out by VMS 214, against the Japanese during WW2, planned, executed, and led by it's leader, Greg Boyington. While it may have been a much less highly technical operation, it was the same basic plan.
09:15 FYI The rules of engagement were ignored for Bola as it had been arranged so that no other US airplanes were in flight. (at least according to the Dark Docs clip I just watched prior to this)
The F8 and A7 are the 2 aircraft I like in the vietnam war
F-4 owned the mig. if it wasn't for the stupid rules of engagement Vietnam would have been over in 6 months.
I have a question for you Photog. Most people compare the F-111 to the MiG-23/27 but I believe a better comparison would be to the MiG-25 (compared to the F-111B at least) what do you think?
Both were very fast but I think the F111 had more payload capacity
F-111 is a tactical bomber, it was really only given the "F" designation to appease congress, but it proved to be a god-awful fighter, actually worse than the F-4 Phantom it was designed to replace! The F-111B was the failed naval variant of it (the USN decided to pursue the F-14 instead).
The MiG-25 on the other hand is a long range air defense interceptor, so it's really not comparable in role, although it was about as maneuverable, and roughly equal in speed at most altitudes. The MiG-27 is pretty close to the role the F-111 fulfilled, (sub par in comparison, but designed to do the same thing), but its closest actual rival is really the Tu-22 "Blinder" or Tu-22M "Backfire" bombers
@@ArmorCast I was going off the idea that the F-111B was supposed to be an interceptor with the Phoenix missiles and that they had relatively comparable speeds. They also were both known to be miserable dog fighters as neither were maneuverable.
Love the channel, keep up the good work! It would be nice to include thrust to weight ratio and maybe minimum operational speed in the specs. Especially in a match like this, these are interesting factors to add to the comparison
I don't think the MiGs knew what hit em quite honestly.
Likely not, thanks for commenting!
i was a mig pilot in this video, and let me tell you, we DEFINITELY did not know what hit us. taking off and seeing a whole cloud of F-4 phantoms staring us in the face was terrifying to say the least LOL
It is so amazing ! I really like it but please what's the name of the game?
Warthunder
What game is that?
This video was great, EXCEPT the Scottish Koala was in AB the whole fight. If they did that during Bolo, all of the F-4s would have been hosed. That F-4 is a hungry beast.
Agreed and to be fair WarThunder is more of an "light" sim, still it is fun to play and I was glad to work with Koala on making this video
@@PilotPhotog agreed. War Thunder is more game than sim. Fun to play, just not 100% true to scale.
Wouldn't the Soviets have been able to send MORE MiG 21s to replenish the 5 to 7 shotdown during Operation Bolo? Sure rhe MiG 21 is more advanced than a MiG 15 or MiG 17 and may cost more but a MiG 21 is surely cheaper than an F4 Phantom or F105 Thunderchief? Because apparently all VPAF pilots according to Vietnamese sources survived and ejected safely so that means they can return to fight another day or even train a new generation of pilots?
I love both Vietnam War Fighter and the Vietnamese MiG-21PFM is coming to War Thunder but ofc it doesn’t have Vietnamese skin
Your voice is sooooo similar to a guy around here on youtube, It's hard to believe that it's not the same person. Do you run any other youtube projects? By the way I love your channel.
Who won the war at last ???
Good video, but the War Thunder bit just didn't do it for me.
Think DCS would have been better
what name of the game?
Warthunder
Shouldn’t the F4s supposed to have Aim9Bs, not Js
F-4E's carried AIM-9J's
The F-4s in the event were using AIM-9Es. I'm not too sure whether the 9E was used or not during Bolo but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
@@_ace_defective_ I know in the event thing they did in the video they were using 9E's (I'm also a War Thunder player) but F-4E's could carry 9J's and there are kills recorded with them in Vietnam. Considering the type of mission and risk involved with it I'm sure irl they used 9J's.
@@evangalinsky2499 9Js weren't used in Operation Bolo. They had a very limited career, and were first operational in 1969, 2 years after Operation Bolo.
As soon as I heard the narrator state that the F4 had Atoll missiles, had to go. 😞
The trickster
WOLFPACK!!!!!
Video game part, not a fan. Keep up the great work, much appreciated
Yes yes..whatever you want to tell but 🌟Vietnam won the war!!!
Nice idea but the war thunder thing just did not work IMO. I like the game but its way too arcadey to get an accurate representation of a historical battle. I mean look its just one big mass of fighters turning and burning at each other. No real world tactics involved whatsoever and the actual battle was not represented well at all by SK, literally just head on missle firing of masses of players. The other players casually talking and joking also takes away from the historical value. I think a future video with some of the guys who play DCS like Growling Sidewinder would work so much better as it has a much more mature player base.
That name tho lmao
hi tog i really like your videos. but i think you should not do any more "specifications" parts because they are slightly boring and kind of pointless. instead, you could talk about some fun facts, like how you did just before you talked about the specifications. thanks, would love to see you play war thunder too! :)
Thank you and a fair point - I will try to work in more fun facts and details about the jets. I have a war thunder account but haven't played in a while - I think I got up to the P-40
@@PilotPhotog ok cool
Helloo
Howdy
@@PilotPhotog hell yea 😎
G'nite gurl, i see you tomorrow
Is this Gay thunder the video game?
The story was great but the actual war thunder was painful to watch! That lad was full of himself and it was cringe worthy watching them all grasping for position! Sorry but not for me