Had this monitor a few weeks now - it's ok. Nice pictures etc but a couple of letdowns (get what you pay for I suppose), namely: CONS 1) Peaking is almost impossible to see. It's very insignificant. It's on or off. It's the sort of 'double edge' peaking, essentially just increased sharpness. 2) Sharpness has 4 degrees of variability... and it hardly changes 3) PIP is HDMI only, and you can't change the size of the PIP. 4) SDI ISN'T FULL HD. It's really weird. You'd think on a 4k monitor it would be, but looking at it, it clearly isn't. I've tried looping through an SDI-HDMI converter but it is exactly the same - any 1080 input it seems to downscale. Unless I'm so used to 4K I just think it's downscaled, but it just constantly looks soft to me. 5) It's a bit glitchy in its menu - for example with peaking, if you switch input, in the menu peaking is still 'on' but it clearly isn't and has switched itself off, so you have to switch it off and on again. Also peaking switches off if you power down. Also little things like 'Check Field' in the menu is written 'Check Filed'... very Chinese. 6) No monochrome option PROS 1) Really, really nice build. Flight case is fantastic. Nice setup inside with the PSU strapped in and the pocket in the lid for cables. 2) Generally decent, does the job for me (using it on a jib, showing clients what I'm shooting, playback. Not good for DIT or LUTs or the like, but you should be spending far more for that) 3) Good set of sturdy handles dotted around the unit 4) Runs for EIGHT HOURS on a single V lock battery (does on my batteries anyway). I dunno if this is standard but I was astonished when I tested it.
Hey, thanks for the detailed list of your impressions of the monitor. I haven't noticed SDI not being full HDMI. I know when any input it plugged in the monitor shows what the settings are. I will double-check that. I agree completely about the monitor's peaking feature. It's really a big monitor for clients or the director, that's how I think of it.
Your review of Panasonic HC-X1000 was super interesting and good. JVC GY-LS300 review was super, just like this one. Keep up the brilliant work! Thank you.
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Can you help me how can i put this monitor on a pedestal, please
You quickly showed the aspect ratio settings including a 2.35:1 option, but it wasn't very clear to me this monitor can so called de-squeeze anamorphic footage. I saw a reverse squeeze when you hovered over the 4:3 option, but I don't want to assume the 2.35:1 option does that too or just crops the footage.
@@NiceLadyProductions So when I would select the 2.35:1 aspect ratio on the monitor, it won't change the aspect ratio, like it showed on the 4:3 aspect ratio? (if you look at the video it didn't crop to 4:3, but actually squeezed it). The camera we plan to use will record like traditional film roll, squeezing the footage and the camera operator will use a monitor that de-squeezes, but the focus puller and director will watch on an additional monitor. We were looking to hire this one. What does it do when you select the 2.35:1 aspect ratio?
Wow I been looking for a monitor like this. I’m a student film maker and I would be very happy with the 15 inch monitor I believe that’s what you was reviewing I want one so bad mainly cause my eyes are not the greatest. Will that work on any camera?
Hi, so how can my producer or clients view the 4.6K (Ursa mini 4.6K) footage I'm filming?? The Ursa does not have HDMI connection?? So how can they view what I'm shooting in 4K? Thanks!
I received one of these yesterday. The peaking function is terrible! Nothing like the peaking on my FS7 or the Lilliput Q5 I've been using. With peaking switched on, it makes next to no difference to be able to check focus, which is what I bought it for.
Thanks for the review. Do you have any advice for mounting teradek and v-mount nicely on this thing. I've just bought it and it's annoying the Vesa mount goes where the V-mount is.
Hey! You could get a mount that clamps onto a C-stand then place the v-mount there and mount the monitor to the c-stand via a vesa or Avesta stand. I found a clamp on v-mount holder on Amazon forever ago.
hi kelly one more question I'm loving this monitor does it has the capability to work on a computer as a color grading monitor that would be the best of both worlds
Hello Nice Lady Productions, thank you for your review on this Lilliput BM150 15.6 4K monitor. I purchased the same monitor and love it. Although, I notice that my BM150 came without a front glass that is screwed on to the front of the screen as a form of protection. Hence, on the Lilliput website they show the same model but with this glass screwed on. Very strange. Hence, I noticed that your BM150 also doesn't have this glass screen as well. My BM150 has tapped screw holes on each corner where you can clearly see that it was perhaps meant to have that sheet of glass - but perhaps its an accessory. I am going to write to the company to find out if this is the case.
Thank you for your review. It helped answer a few questions. I'm considering Flanders 17" and Lilliput 23". Obviously a big price difference and LUT capability(?) but one thing I cannot figure out - Lilliput does not even have in specs - you mention that 23" and 28" are exactly the same but a couple of posters here mention that the larger versions are 10 bit color not 8 bit. Can you confirm 8 or 10 bit on 23" version? Also in your talk about LUTs you say Lilliput does not offer that feature as a Flanders does (I like that option on set) but you said it could be output to do so. Please explain a bit more on that.
If you're considering this monitor or a Flanders go with a Flanders, they are the best. Flanders are calibrated, allow a camera op to upload LUTs but also have lots of built in waveforms and tools. The Lilliput has nothing, it a big monitorbthat relies on the camera's output of features. Hook a RED camera up to the Lilliput and the RED's tools can be output to the monitor. The Lilliput is a nice monitor for a director or client to monitor or to use as a 4K monitor. It has few built in features like the Flanders.
Thanks Nice Lady, I appreciate that. I called Lilliput and they assured me that the 23" monitor is indeed 10 bit. Just can't figure out why that's not in their specs. so the main purpose for this monitor is on set-set, not for grading or post so I'm wondering if Flanders is overkill given the price difference for on-set review purposes. Afterall, I can still do all waveforms, luts. etc., directly from camera to monitor, correct?
I'm guessing there is no variable for peaking like in the TM1018 for example? It's just either on or off? Is it really hard to see as this is a dealbreaker for me, will be using it on a jib
Hi! Really curious about this monitor. I have a question, If i have 4 HDMI inputs going into the monitor and use the SDI out to output the feed on several other monitors, what comes out on those other monitors? Does it mirror whatever is appearing on the BM150? Lets say i'm using the quad display, will I be seeing quad display as well on the other monitors that are connected via SDI out? Just wondering if this would be good for a video village setup. Thanks!
Have you had any experience with the 23 and 28 inch. ??? As a production monitor I guess this is good but I assume you do not recommend for grading or color correction??
The 28" version is exactly the same. Lilliput doesn't specify how they've calibrated the monitor but I suspect it's rec 709. I will say any camera I've output to it while filming looks exactly the same as the camera's onboard monitor.
I have seen the Delvcam version of this monitor. Looks identical but I believe Delvcam does not mention 10 bit and Lilliput does. I did send some bars from a panasonic 4K camera into the Delvcam and I think you are right. It is rec 709 because the bars did look quite good. Pluge en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picture_line-up_generation_equipment looked bang on to my eyes. Typically the problem area I have seen is in the yellow stripe ... sometimes a bit green but the Delvcam looked pretty decent. I would say it would suffice for most grading purposes if you take out the field case. I am using the LG 31MU97 with the DCI color profile and it seems quite reasonable. But it does have edge bleed and not perfect off axis. Supposedly IPS panel
I have the 28" version. Can it be mounted using a cstand or is it too heavy? I'm not able to find any mounting adapters strong enough to take the 20kg odd weight of the monitor.
I am bout to try this stand for my 28" version: VIVO Black Tripod - (STAND-TV55T). It appears to be more permanent mount and I'll have to have to remove the v-mount plate, but it should support the monitor's weight.
I did already, they sorta don't know what I'm talking about. also, you mention how you can output the vectroscopes etc to this monitor from another device, so. Is it actually mirroring tools from other devices like say an Atomos or some other monitor that has all those tools? Thanks.
Is there another 4K monitor in this size and price range that's 10 bit? The main thing is does your camera output 10 bit? This isn't a Flanders Scientific monitor that's 100% colour accurate and 10 bit, but in outputting from any camera I've used I've found it incredibly accurate.
Keep in mind that Flanders grading monitors are all 1080P at this point in time. They may use some OLED displays . They do not manufacture the panels but buy them from the various makers. Are the Flanders even 10 bit? The guts behind the screen is all Flanders but the panel is made for them by some of the big makers like LG or Eizo more than likely. I think you are going to find that the Flanders are only slightly more accurate than some of the higher end monitors from Eizo .. Years ago even the tube grading monitors needed recalibration. But at least they looked good at all angles. Still not seen a perfect grading monitor ... even the Dolby one is not perfect
Good price for the 8 bit but spend a bit more you get the 10 bit monitor for the future, for those of us are using 10 bit camera it does make a difference especially taking it to the grading room. For those planning to stay at 8 bits it is great for the budget but again more cameras are coming out with 10bit such as the GH4 and GH5.
I have the Ezio CG277 and was told by the grading Professional it is ok but will have issue running the deep black where OLED is suggested. Yes, I agree Flanders, Osee and others buy the panels. It all boils down if it is a web content or shooting a TV to choose the monitor.
As far as I know Eizo makes its own panel plus the electronics behind them. Believe they are Japanese which is really a good thing but suspect their monitors are more for GUI not a full screen monitor. I feel that any monitor you buy has to do one thing only... play back video without imparting additional color or artifacts or removing parts. Plus for the monitor to be professional it must be able to be calibrated. So if you want to do DCI work or REC 709 or medical stuff or photoshop stuff then you simply add those color spaces to your listing of choice setups. In all honesty , these days we are living in the golden age of relatively cheap and quite accurate monitoring. Years ago you would never come close to an accurate monitor without spending a small fortune. I still feel that Lilliput or Delvcam is a good bang for buck but if it is only 8 bit then don't expect much but according to this BH listing the 28 inch is 10 bit www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1196225-REG/lilliput_bm280_4k_carry_on_4k_hd.html
Beautiful voice, well made review clearly done by one that actually does the work in this field! Thank you!
Had this monitor a few weeks now - it's ok. Nice pictures etc but a couple of letdowns (get what you pay for I suppose), namely:
CONS
1) Peaking is almost impossible to see. It's very insignificant. It's on or off. It's the sort of 'double edge' peaking, essentially just increased sharpness.
2) Sharpness has 4 degrees of variability... and it hardly changes
3) PIP is HDMI only, and you can't change the size of the PIP.
4) SDI ISN'T FULL HD. It's really weird. You'd think on a 4k monitor it would be, but looking at it, it clearly isn't. I've tried looping through an SDI-HDMI converter but it is exactly the same - any 1080 input it seems to downscale. Unless I'm so used to 4K I just think it's downscaled, but it just constantly looks soft to me.
5) It's a bit glitchy in its menu - for example with peaking, if you switch input, in the menu peaking is still 'on' but it clearly isn't and has switched itself off, so you have to switch it off and on again. Also peaking switches off if you power down. Also little things like 'Check Field' in the menu is written 'Check Filed'... very Chinese.
6) No monochrome option
PROS
1) Really, really nice build. Flight case is fantastic. Nice setup inside with the PSU strapped in and the pocket in the lid for cables.
2) Generally decent, does the job for me (using it on a jib, showing clients what I'm shooting, playback. Not good for DIT or LUTs or the like, but you should be spending far more for that)
3) Good set of sturdy handles dotted around the unit
4) Runs for EIGHT HOURS on a single V lock battery (does on my batteries anyway). I dunno if this is standard but I was astonished when I tested it.
Oh also quad view only seems to be HDMI, you can't have one of the cells as SDI source.
Hey, thanks for the detailed list of your impressions of the monitor. I haven't noticed SDI not being full HDMI. I know when any input it plugged in the monitor shows what the settings are. I will double-check that. I agree completely about the monitor's peaking feature. It's really a big monitor for clients or the director, that's how I think of it.
I kid you not I just was looking for a new monitor, and was looking for all just this....thank you
Your review of Panasonic HC-X1000 was super interesting and good. JVC GY-LS300 review was super, just like this one. Keep up the brilliant work! Thank you.
Can you help me how can i put this monitor on a pedestal, please
You quickly showed the aspect ratio settings including a 2.35:1 option, but it wasn't very clear to me this monitor can so called de-squeeze anamorphic footage. I saw a reverse squeeze when you hovered over the 4:3 option, but I don't want to assume the 2.35:1 option does that too or just crops the footage.
Hey, it doesn't have a de-squeeze function. Some cameras have it in the camera and can export it de-squeezed.
@@NiceLadyProductions So when I would select the 2.35:1 aspect ratio on the monitor, it won't change the aspect ratio, like it showed on the 4:3 aspect ratio? (if you look at the video it didn't crop to 4:3, but actually squeezed it). The camera we plan to use will record like traditional film roll, squeezing the footage and the camera operator will use a monitor that de-squeezes, but the focus puller and director will watch on an additional monitor. We were looking to hire this one.
What does it do when you select the 2.35:1 aspect ratio?
Thanks for review! Very useful! Can you tell me if it support the hertz frequecy of the Blackmagic Production Camera?
Wow I been looking for a monitor like this. I’m a student film maker and I would be very happy with the 15 inch monitor I believe that’s what you was reviewing I want one so bad mainly cause my eyes are not the greatest. Will that work on any camera?
Hi, so how can my producer or clients view the 4.6K (Ursa mini 4.6K) footage I'm filming?? The Ursa does not have HDMI connection?? So how can they view what I'm shooting in 4K? Thanks!
I received one of these yesterday. The peaking function is terrible! Nothing like the peaking on my FS7 or the Lilliput Q5 I've been using. With peaking switched on, it makes next to no difference to be able to check focus, which is what I bought it for.
Thanks for the review. Do you have any advice for mounting teradek and v-mount nicely on this thing. I've just bought it and it's annoying the Vesa mount goes where the V-mount is.
Hey! You could get a mount that clamps onto a C-stand then place the v-mount there and mount the monitor to the c-stand via a vesa or Avesta stand. I found a clamp on v-mount holder on Amazon forever ago.
Thanks for the review. Is this 10 bit color depth?
It's an 8-bit panel
@@NiceLadyProductions thank you!
Would you or anyone use this one as a reference monitor for color grading? I'm trying it with Resolve but not sure I can trust the color
How much it costs, please?
Thnx
Hello there, I have Lilliput 28", but I'm finding it difficult to use the SDI out put, what is it that I'm doing wrong? Thanks.
What’s the problem? No signal?
hi kelly one more question I'm loving this monitor does it has the capability to work on a computer as a color grading monitor that would be the best of both worlds
Hello Nice Lady Productions, thank you for your review on this Lilliput BM150 15.6 4K monitor. I purchased the same monitor and love it. Although, I notice that my BM150 came without a front glass that is screwed on to the front of the screen as a form of protection. Hence, on the Lilliput website they show the same model but with this glass screwed on. Very strange. Hence, I noticed that your BM150 also doesn't have this glass screen as well. My BM150 has tapped screw holes on each corner where you can clearly see that it was perhaps meant to have that sheet of glass - but perhaps its an accessory. I am going to write to the company to find out if this is the case.
Hmm, good to know. Glad you’re liking it. :)
Thank you for your review. It helped answer a few questions. I'm considering Flanders 17" and Lilliput 23". Obviously a big price difference and LUT capability(?) but one thing I cannot figure out - Lilliput does not even have in specs - you mention that 23" and 28" are exactly the same but a couple of posters here mention that the larger versions are 10 bit color not 8 bit. Can you confirm 8 or 10 bit on 23" version? Also in your talk about LUTs you say Lilliput does not offer that feature as a Flanders does (I like that option on set) but you said it could be output to do so. Please explain a bit more on that.
If you're considering this monitor or a Flanders go with a Flanders, they are the best. Flanders are calibrated, allow a camera op to upload LUTs but also have lots of built in waveforms and tools. The Lilliput has nothing, it a big monitorbthat relies on the camera's output of features. Hook a RED camera up to the Lilliput and the RED's tools can be output to the monitor. The Lilliput is a nice monitor for a director or client to monitor or to use as a 4K monitor. It has few built in features like the Flanders.
Thanks Nice Lady, I appreciate that. I called Lilliput and they assured me that the 23" monitor is indeed 10 bit. Just can't figure out why that's not in their specs. so the main purpose for this monitor is on set-set, not for grading or post so I'm wondering if Flanders is overkill given the price difference for on-set review purposes. Afterall, I can still do all waveforms, luts. etc., directly from camera to monitor, correct?
Great timing Nice Lady, I'm looking for such a solution. Thanks.
Greetings from Amsterdam.
I'm guessing there is no variable for peaking like in the TM1018 for example? It's just either on or off? Is it really hard to see as this is a dealbreaker for me, will be using it on a jib
No variable peaking on the Lilliput monitor. I turn peaking on in my camera and the settings are output to the monitor.
Hi! Really curious about this monitor. I have a question, If i have 4 HDMI inputs going into the monitor and use the SDI out to output the feed on several other monitors, what comes out on those other monitors? Does it mirror whatever is appearing on the BM150? Lets say i'm using the quad display, will I be seeing quad display as well on the other monitors that are connected via SDI out? Just wondering if this would be good for a video village setup. Thanks!
no!
thank you for the video i would like to know where did you get the external battery or does it come with the monitor
The external battery is a V mount battery, there are lots of brands on the monitor, I use Core SWX. Batteries aren't included.
Where did you get that c stand mount for the v plate? Link? Or what is it's name so I can google it.
Really well-done review - many thanks!
What accessories were in the box, was the hood included ?
Yes, the hood is included. There's also a connector for powering via v-mount battery.
Does this monitor support 2x anamorphic de-squeeze?
awesome review
thank you for this
Have you had any experience with the 23 and 28 inch. ??? As a production monitor I guess this is good but I assume you do not recommend for grading or color correction??
The 28" version is exactly the same. Lilliput doesn't specify how they've calibrated the monitor but I suspect it's rec 709. I will say any camera I've output to it while filming looks exactly the same as the camera's onboard monitor.
I have seen the Delvcam version of this monitor. Looks identical but I believe Delvcam does not mention 10 bit and Lilliput does. I did send some bars from a panasonic 4K camera into the Delvcam and I think you are right. It is rec 709 because the bars did look quite good. Pluge en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picture_line-up_generation_equipment looked bang on to my eyes. Typically the problem area I have seen is in the yellow stripe ... sometimes a bit green but the Delvcam looked pretty decent. I would say it would suffice for most grading purposes if you take out the field case. I am using the LG 31MU97 with the DCI color profile and it seems quite reasonable. But it does have edge bleed and not perfect off axis. Supposedly IPS panel
you had issues with de hdmi inputs? i have the 28" monitor and the 1 and 2 inputs its black out :(
I have the 28" version. Can it be mounted using a cstand or is it too heavy? I'm not able to find any mounting adapters strong enough to take the 20kg odd weight of the monitor.
I am bout to try this stand for my 28" version: VIVO Black Tripod - (STAND-TV55T). It appears to be more permanent mount and I'll have to have to remove the v-mount plate, but it should support the monitor's weight.
thanks for your review. Can you take an sdi and HDMI signal and simultaneously view them on this monitor?
Yes. The monitor can handle up to 4 signals at once.
As far as I know quad view is only HDMI, you can't run SDI in quad view, I've tried it
@@jonbrady16 You can use the SDI input in one of the quad windows.
has anybody ever traveled with this monitor? the way it is in the case, would you check this case as is on a flight and feel ok with it?
I saw this has diferent aspect ratios, is it possible to view anamorphic footage desqueezed on this? Thanks.
Maybe ask Lilliput, I've never used the monitor with anamorphic lenses so I don't know.
I did already, they sorta don't know what I'm talking about. also, you mention how you can output the vectroscopes etc to this monitor from another device, so. Is it actually mirroring tools from other devices like say an Atomos or some other monitor that has all those tools? Thanks.
The focus peaking is barely visible in the unit I have received. Is this normal?
yes, it's like line peaking, makes it slightly more sharp looking. If you have a camera with built in peaking, some send that peaking to the monitor.
Is there any latency on this monitor?
Wish you added links
thanks for the feedback. I've added more links to the description.
Thank you! Very helpful.
Thank you
Nice...
es solo un monitor no se puede usar como master de transmisión
Price is good but 8 bit not worth it!
Is there another 4K monitor in this size and price range that's 10 bit? The main thing is does your camera output 10 bit? This isn't a Flanders Scientific monitor that's 100% colour accurate and 10 bit, but in outputting from any camera I've used I've found it incredibly accurate.
Keep in mind that Flanders grading monitors are all 1080P at this point in time. They may use some OLED displays . They do not manufacture the panels but buy them from the various makers. Are the Flanders even 10 bit? The guts behind the screen is all Flanders but the panel is made for them by some of the big makers like LG or Eizo more than likely. I think you are going to find that the Flanders are only slightly more accurate than some of the higher end monitors from Eizo .. Years ago even the tube grading monitors needed recalibration. But at least they looked good at all angles. Still not seen a perfect grading monitor ... even the Dolby one is not perfect
Good price for the 8 bit but spend a bit more you get the 10 bit monitor for the future, for those of us are using 10 bit camera it does make a difference especially taking it to the grading room. For those planning to stay at 8 bits it is great for the budget but again more cameras are coming out with 10bit such as the GH4 and GH5.
I have the Ezio CG277 and was told by the grading Professional it is ok but will have issue running the deep black where OLED is suggested. Yes, I agree Flanders, Osee and others buy the panels. It all boils down if it is a web content or shooting a TV to choose the monitor.
As far as I know Eizo makes its own panel plus the electronics behind them. Believe they are Japanese which is really a good thing but suspect their monitors are more for GUI not a full screen monitor. I feel that any monitor you buy has to do one thing only... play back video without imparting additional color or artifacts or removing parts. Plus for the monitor to be professional it must be able to be calibrated. So if you want to do DCI work or REC 709 or medical stuff or photoshop stuff then you simply add those color spaces to your listing of choice setups. In all honesty , these days we are living in the golden age of relatively cheap and quite accurate monitoring. Years ago you would never come close to an accurate monitor without spending a small fortune. I still feel that Lilliput or Delvcam is a good bang for buck but if it is only 8 bit then don't expect much but according to this BH listing the 28 inch is 10 bit www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1196225-REG/lilliput_bm280_4k_carry_on_4k_hd.html
I would never give this monitor to a DP...
It's a director's monitor really
How is the latency on this monitor?
I would say the monitor has no perceptible latency.