Hope you enjoy this video… I’ve never come across a system like this before so took some working out…. And after speaking to some very well regarded people in the heating industry they all confirm it’s a rubbish way of doing things🤣🤣
Hi mark, useto come across systems like that at work , most of the time they would use zone valves , however there was also issues when they would get ghost flow back up the return , see in most of those units there’s a facility to put a DHW feed in there , hopefully u won’t have to start lifting floors etc to find them, always a nightmare when the actuators / zone valves fail and have to find them , also found this note about the system, also sent an email over to u, apologises if you’ve already seen it , , thks so much once again as that was a very interesting video, stay safe and well , ---- notes -- The Heatmiser UH1 is designed to be used in conjunction with our 12v network thermostats. Underfloor Heating - The UH1 provides central switching and is therefore ideally situated next to the underfloor heating manifold. 8 Zones can be controlled as well as providing an output for a hot water cylinder. On demand from any zone, a 230v output is provided to switch the relevant zone actuators, underfloor heating pump and valve. A volt free connection is supplied for the boiler, making it compatible with almost all types of boilers. Up to 6 actuators can be connected to each zone. An option is provided to turn zone 8 into a radiator zone. In this mode the underfloor heating pump, valve and boiler are not enabled when there is a call for heat from zone 8. Radiator System - The UH1 isn’t just for underfloor heating. It can equally be used in a radiator only system.
i installed a similar system at the request of my customer. Underfloor heating manifold dowstairs controlled through Honeywell Evohome. Originally it was going to be evohome heads on the rads upstairs but the customer , who had experiance of Evohome , was concerned about the noise of the evohome actuators in the bedrooms. So Installed an second underfloor heating manifold upstairs but feeding the bedroom radiators. . Each bedroom had a Honeywell T87RF round thermostat linked to a BDR91 receiver. All linked into the Evohome. No TRV on the radiators of course.
Just remembered some years back of a system that had zone valves fitted in each room under the floors , as they began to fail it was going to be very time consuming in trying to locate them, , so instead of wasting hours trying to find them I lifted the landing floorboards and managed to push sections of 15/22mm pipe into each room, so that I only needed to lift the boards by the rads in order to connect to the new pipe work / rad valves on the landing , therefore bypassing all the old pipes/ controls under the floor , just saved in not having to remove furniture, wardrobes , beds etc , indeed uponor came into its own seeing u could push complete lengths with no joins through rooms , sorry I’m waffling , lol, thks again for sharing , stay safe and well
@@MJTiffPlumbing , indeed and saved having to empty every room , lol, also useful on some routes where i couldn’t push 15mm though but could 22mm , alas with the 15 mm being more flexible it kept getting caught up , so I pushed some 15mm down the inside of the 22mm then removed it leaving the 15mm in situ -- ref that job today , , indeed a shame u couldn’t have just taken the actuators out the way to allow u to fit a zone valve for upstairs heating in the garage as ur original plan , suppose with the lack of access and thinking aloud so to speak if all the actuators could have been wired to a permanent 24v live to keep them open and add the zone valve in order for the switched orange live to fire the boiler , great u now have a HW timer , sorry with me waffling , brain in overtime again , lol, shame u couldn’t access all the rads from the landing where u could just run a single flow pipe to each rad , therefore leaving the actuator under each floor , alas floorboard near each rad would have to come up , also saw one job where flow and return were taken from downstairs up into the loft then dropped down to each rad inside the walls as they were all timber studded , once again apologises as I know ur extremely smart when it comes to heating and plumbing , it’s just me waffling , plus sent wiring diagram to ur email which hopefully is also useful to u , have a great week and weekend , stay safe and well
Had a similar one to this at the start of the year. Previous home owner of a property was a DIY'er and built his own manifold out of Google Nests, speed fit and 2 port Honeywell valves, great job. Only went and hit it above the garage ceiling so no one could find it to replace the syncro's or 2 ports when they went down.
@@MJTiffPlumbing Oh it was an absolute pain. We're due back in a few weeks (warmer weather) to relocate it into the garage proper so it's all serviceable. Some people just don't think about maintenance over aesthetics.
Reminds me of a job I was at on a Boarding school accommodation block - They fitted TRV bodies to the rads, and wired an electric head to it fed via a tamperproof room stat in each room, all fed from a master override to turn off the heating out of season!
Hi Mark. What a job that was. I am not a plumber. But have a good idea how it works. Never seen or heard of it till you told us. Wow what a nightmare for you. Glad you got sorted for the customer. Well done Mark. Have a good week 👍
Hey Mark, crazy system that, them older HM stats used to come in 2 models but they look the same, prt-n and prthw-n. The latter being the one that can do hw as well, the only difference being that one says ‘timer on’ and ‘timer off’ and it looked like the first stat showed on screen in the hallway (3:10) had ‘timer on’ on the screen so would have been that mate that was doing the hw
Yer I didn’t think that but even using that stat there was no control over the timing of the HW…. So strange. The new remote clock is now doing the trick though👌🏼
Another great video Mark. Looks like the original owner wanted more control than normal on the rads. Shame they didn't leave the controls a bit more accessible. Keep up the good work Mark
@@MJTiffPlumbing It sounds like a very complicated way of doing what programmable TRVs would do. Having room thermostats and TRVs together makes absolutely no sense!
Lovely vid: can’t beat a good detective show on a Sunday night! The “what” is baffling enough but the “why” is another level. You’d have to think it was the previous owner wanted it like that for some reason. Takes all sorts, I suppose!
Let's say it's the installer's interpretation of what the customer wanted. There's not necessarily a 100% overlap! My parents inherited a central heating system that was so unusual every plumber who came into the house asked if he could take pictures to show future apprentices. They even had original schematics and it was absolutely clear the original installer hadn't worked to the drawings but made a strange system almost useless. It's all been replaced so my memory is a bit hazy but I think there were three different zones and two pumps. One zone was supposed to just keep the foundations warm and prevent condensation (the house didn't have a DPC or anything and substantial damp issues), a simple 15 mm copper pipe loop running around all the external walls about 150 mm from the floor, controlled by a TRV with external probe on the return. This bit had its own pump and worked more or less as intended. The other two zones were setup like underfloor heating (except the loops were in the walls rather than under the floors) with another pump but all that pump did was bypass the manifolds! My parents had the system reconfigured according to the original drawings but the gas bill was still terribly high for a rarely used holiday home. Now it's all radiators and a DPC has been fitted.
@@Ragnar8504 Yes, it's an odd one. It looks like whoever installed it made a tidy job of it. If it wasn't done when the house was built there must have been a sod of a lot of making good but you'd have thought that if somebody was doing installs like that in the area on a regular basis then you'd either come across them more often or at least hear about it on the plumber's grapevine. Maybe they only managed to do the one before they got carted off to Broadmoor...
Thorough job Mark, showing how it’s done - well done 💯! A great showcase of cleaning and maintaining healthy water quality in a heating system. Fitting a MagnaClean Professional2 magnetic filter, cleaning the water, flushing the heating system with the MagnaCleanse and checking the work and water quality afterwards with the ADEY ProCheck. Nailed it 💪
Hey vid this one. I'd be scratching my head tbh. On the existing manifold I noticed they had thermostatic mixing valve I'm guessing to lower the temp to the underfloor circuits. Does the snug system not need that 🤔 As I was thinking that the UH would be running at whatever the boiler stat was set at & they're designed to work on a much lower system temp. What concerned me was the powerflushing with those actuators all hidden away somewhere & whether they'd be sensitive to higher pressures being run-through them. You mentioned about possibly fitting an auto bypass especially as you said pretty much everything has trv's on, & having 2 2ports as well , where would the circulation be if they both shut down & then nowhere for the heat to be dissipated away from the boiler, ( wait I can see why it took you 3 hours to suss everything out !!) 😂 Does make you wonder when it was Installed if the fitters really knew what they were doing or just slung a manifold onto the existing system & hoped for the best. Sometimes Mark simplicity is better don't you think rather than it being so complex. Whatever happened to gravity hot water & pumped heating 😂😂. One last thing seeing as they used alot of polyplumb especially upstairs to that rad , would that be the reason why your thermal camera didn't pick it up due to low surface temp on the plastic ( just a thought) Keep up the good work 👏
Snug system has a balancing valve on it so you can throttle down the temp, just like the one I took out👍🏼 And it works as a bypass… I left just the 1 zone valve on in the end and the 3 towel rails have no thermostatic control so will circulate. Good point about the heat through plastic…. The thermal imaging did pick up the runs under the floors. As for the flush….. the acuators are basically TRV bodies looking at the one I could find. Hours and hours spent getting my head round this one🤦🏻♂️
Another brill video Mark and of course a great narrative explaining whats happening. Like you say you can understand the concept but surely they could have centralised all the valves identify were each one supplies and make them easily accessible. Just a thought.
Nice explanation of the job mark 👍👍. I have come across some strange wiring and controls in my time .some of them do need a bit more investigation and belling out the wiring . But never been beat yet 😂.Let's hope it all runs ok now 👍👍👍
Hi Mark, what a complicated system, I’m sure just normal trv’s would be enough, I don’t like to over complicate anything. I hope all is working better now for the customer and we know the system has benefited from a good flush. Another great film as always mate, have a great week and take care, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍
I think having actuators controlling the rads via a wall mounted thermostat is brilliant as you are measuring the temperature where your body height is and not at floor level.... I have done this, removing the trv on the rads though, and replacing with an ufh actuator. It works very well and means it is measuring the room temperature at the other side of the room. I think companies now are doing this with trv's with remote sensors via WiFi. I am a joiner though but get tips off your videos 😊
it makes me wonder if the initial plan for heating was underfloor heating upstairs and downstairs but at the last minute they changed to rads upstairs but by the time they had made that choice they already had the electricity run for the actuators and the control panels so they decided bugger it lets attach the panels to the rads
Great video again Mark. Can you only use the magna cleanse on systems that have the magna clean filter? Thanks again for making these very informative videos.
Hi Mark top vids mate you sounded pretty stressed bud get your thermal imaging camera out to trace those cercs upstairs there's gotta be another manifold upstairs somewhere I've had systems like this before 👍😎remember chin up bud 😎👍😎👍😎👍
I think it looks like they left it so that underfloor heating could be easily installed upstairs when money available. It looks like they were halfway through the job but decided to instead sell the house so set the upstairs up with the rads, but easy to swap out and finish as underfloor in the future? A shame there wasn't a fix in this vid for the towel rad and hall rad coming on of their own accord with the current setup.
Plumber wiring is always pretty scary, strange how lots of guys are happy to do work they’re not competent to do but would do mad at a sparky touching gas
Odd system two sets of controls fighting each other. Up to customer but wants redoing to make it sensible lol, wonder what the original plan was when it was originally put in.
"And here we are on day 2. The electrician wants to stab me in the head with a Philips screwdriver". "We later found out it was Stevie Wonder Ltd that originally installed the plumbing".😂😂😂
so I don't know what was agreed with the customer in terms of what to do but I feel your work has not really improved the system it's just added to the confusion. I agree it's over complicated with individual stats etc but they should all be calling on the same circuit so it's just a wiring issue really (in and ideal world). I agree it could be wired all wrong which is a nightmare but if you charge for that time it should be done. Don't take this is a dig because it's not. I'm not writing this to say your crap or whatever. I know these jobs can be proper rubbish.
@@Danme1987 sometimes a job needs a bit of investigation to get a clear picture and come up with solutions for the customer going forward, customer may have just wanted to get the system up and running without further works, but yeah it’s needs the radiator actuators disconnecting and a room stat wired into a 2 port to run the whole upstairs
@@Kingkongkirk1234 yeah agreed. If that's not been agreed and the customer just wants it sorting on the cheap then that's the end of the story and in no way a bad reflection of the work done in the vid.
Totally odd system why put them actuator valves on when it already has TRVs ,over complicates and more things to go wrong .....my tip would be a good prior inspection and if its gonna cause issues....I'd of walked and not committed to taking the job ....but well done Mark for sticking with it ....next time get a good pair of running shoes 😂
Crazy isn’t it……. However how many heating systems do you check for remote actuators for the upstairs rads when looking…. I’ve never seen this in 27years of plumbing….
Hi Mark, don’t you just hate systems that don’t make sense. If people did things the conventional way, it would make the next man’s job so much easier. No more head scratching. When you use the pro-check, does you have problems taking the 3 photos of the strip &card,, because I do, and annoys the hell out of me.
What a mess that wiring is, must of left his horse when he bolted 🤠. In one respect that zoning of heating is smart but not for maintaining it in the long term. Yeeee haaa
I have Literally just watched One of Your Old videos and then soon as it Finished you go and upload a New Video I LOVE it🤩 KEEP IT UP WITH THE GREAT GREAT VIDS!!!
Hope you enjoy this video… I’ve never come across a system like this before so took some working out…. And after speaking to some very well regarded people in the heating industry they all confirm it’s a rubbish way of doing things🤣🤣
thanks for this videos i'm a plumber and i enjoy your tips and experice
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
Not possible to put trv on towel rads upstairs mate? For some kind control?
Yer it is…. However I’m not a fan of TRV’s on towel rails in bathrooms due to temps being usually high
Hi mark, useto come across systems like that at work , most of the time they would use zone valves , however there was also issues when they would get ghost flow back up the return , see in most of those units there’s a facility to put a DHW feed in there , hopefully u won’t have to start lifting floors etc to find them, always a nightmare when the actuators / zone valves fail and have to find them , also found this note about the system, also sent an email over to u, apologises if you’ve already seen it , , thks so much once again as that was a very interesting video, stay safe and well , ---- notes -- The Heatmiser UH1 is designed to be used in conjunction with our 12v network thermostats. Underfloor Heating - The UH1 provides central switching and is therefore ideally situated next to the underfloor heating manifold. 8 Zones can be controlled as well as providing an output for a hot water cylinder. On demand from any zone, a 230v output is provided to switch the relevant zone actuators, underfloor heating pump and valve. A volt free connection is supplied for the boiler, making it compatible with almost all types of boilers. Up to 6 actuators can be connected to each zone. An option is provided to turn zone 8 into a radiator zone. In this mode the underfloor heating pump, valve and boiler are not enabled when there is a call for heat from zone 8. Radiator System - The UH1 isn’t just for underfloor heating. It can equally be used in a radiator only system.
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i installed a similar system at the request of my customer. Underfloor heating manifold dowstairs controlled through Honeywell Evohome. Originally it was going to be evohome heads on the rads upstairs but the customer , who had experiance of Evohome , was concerned about the noise of the evohome actuators in the bedrooms. So Installed an second underfloor heating manifold upstairs but feeding the bedroom radiators. . Each bedroom had a Honeywell T87RF round thermostat linked to a BDR91 receiver. All linked into the Evohome. No TRV on the radiators of course.
That makes more sense than these acuators under floors etc…
Just remembered some years back of a system that had zone valves fitted in each room under the floors , as they began to fail it was going to be very time consuming in trying to locate them, , so instead of wasting hours trying to find them I lifted the landing floorboards and managed to push sections of 15/22mm pipe into each room, so that I only needed to lift the boards by the rads in order to connect to the new pipe work / rad valves on the landing , therefore bypassing all the old pipes/ controls under the floor , just saved in not having to remove furniture, wardrobes , beds etc , indeed uponor came into its own seeing u could push complete lengths with no joins through rooms , sorry I’m waffling , lol, thks again for sharing , stay safe and well
Sounds like that saved a massive amount of work👌🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing , indeed and saved having to empty every room , lol, also useful on some routes where i couldn’t push 15mm though but could 22mm , alas with the 15 mm being more flexible it kept getting caught up , so I pushed some 15mm down the inside of the 22mm then removed it leaving the 15mm in situ -- ref that job today , , indeed a shame u couldn’t have just taken the actuators out the way to allow u to fit a zone valve for upstairs heating in the garage as ur original plan , suppose with the lack of access and thinking aloud so to speak if all the actuators could have been wired to a permanent 24v live to keep them open and add the zone valve in order for the switched orange live to fire the boiler , great u now have a HW timer , sorry with me waffling , brain in overtime again , lol, shame u couldn’t access all the rads from the landing where u could just run a single flow pipe to each rad , therefore leaving the actuator under each floor , alas floorboard near each rad would have to come up , also saw one job where flow and return were taken from downstairs up into the loft then dropped down to each rad inside the walls as they were all timber studded , once again apologises as I know ur extremely smart when it comes to heating and plumbing , it’s just me waffling , plus sent wiring diagram to ur email which hopefully is also useful to u , have a great week and weekend , stay safe and well
Had a similar one to this at the start of the year. Previous home owner of a property was a DIY'er and built his own manifold out of Google Nests, speed fit and 2 port Honeywell valves, great job. Only went and hit it above the garage ceiling so no one could find it to replace the syncro's or 2 ports when they went down.
Crazy ain’t it….. I’ve said if ever the rads stop working it’s floors up to try and find actuators
@@MJTiffPlumbing Oh it was an absolute pain. We're due back in a few weeks (warmer weather) to relocate it into the garage proper so it's all serviceable.
Some people just don't think about maintenance over aesthetics.
Nice one mate! I like those chemicals, very impressed with the cleaner 👌
Yer they seem pretty good
Reminds me of a job I was at on a Boarding school accommodation block - They fitted TRV bodies to the rads, and wired an electric head to it fed via a tamperproof room stat in each room, all fed from a master override to turn off the heating out of season!
Crazy what some people will do….. over complicate things
That still makes more sense than this lashup here I'd say!
Hi Mark. What a job that was. I am not a plumber. But have a good idea how it works. Never seen or heard of it till you told us. Wow what a nightmare for you. Glad you got sorted for the customer. Well done Mark. Have a good week 👍
Thanks mate…. Was certainly a head scratcher for a few hours
Hey Mark, crazy system that, them older HM stats used to come in 2 models but they look the same, prt-n and prthw-n. The latter being the one that can do hw as well, the only difference being that one says ‘timer on’ and ‘timer off’ and it looked like the first stat showed on screen in the hallway (3:10) had ‘timer on’ on the screen so would have been that mate that was doing the hw
Yer I didn’t think that but even using that stat there was no control over the timing of the HW…. So strange.
The new remote clock is now doing the trick though👌🏼
Another great video Mark. Looks like the original owner wanted more control than normal on the rads. Shame they didn't leave the controls a bit more accessible. Keep up the good work Mark
Thanks mate…… very over complicated system with valves AND TRV’s….. and actuators in floors you can’t find… not great
@@MJTiffPlumbing It sounds like a very complicated way of doing what programmable TRVs would do. Having room thermostats and TRVs together makes absolutely no sense!
Lovely vid: can’t beat a good detective show on a Sunday night! The “what” is baffling enough but the “why” is another level. You’d have to think it was the previous owner wanted it like that for some reason. Takes all sorts, I suppose!
Great way of putting it mate…. Very strange setup and unfortunately they have inherited it
Let's say it's the installer's interpretation of what the customer wanted. There's not necessarily a 100% overlap!
My parents inherited a central heating system that was so unusual every plumber who came into the house asked if he could take pictures to show future apprentices. They even had original schematics and it was absolutely clear the original installer hadn't worked to the drawings but made a strange system almost useless. It's all been replaced so my memory is a bit hazy but I think there were three different zones and two pumps. One zone was supposed to just keep the foundations warm and prevent condensation (the house didn't have a DPC or anything and substantial damp issues), a simple 15 mm copper pipe loop running around all the external walls about 150 mm from the floor, controlled by a TRV with external probe on the return. This bit had its own pump and worked more or less as intended. The other two zones were setup like underfloor heating (except the loops were in the walls rather than under the floors) with another pump but all that pump did was bypass the manifolds! My parents had the system reconfigured according to the original drawings but the gas bill was still terribly high for a rarely used holiday home. Now it's all radiators and a DPC has been fitted.
@@Ragnar8504 Yes, it's an odd one. It looks like whoever installed it made a tidy job of it. If it wasn't done when the house was built there must have been a sod of a lot of making good but you'd have thought that if somebody was doing installs like that in the area on a regular basis then you'd either come across them more often or at least hear about it on the plumber's grapevine. Maybe they only managed to do the one before they got carted off to Broadmoor...
Thorough job Mark, showing how it’s done - well done 💯! A great showcase of cleaning and maintaining healthy water quality in a heating system. Fitting a MagnaClean Professional2 magnetic filter, cleaning the water, flushing the heating system with the MagnaCleanse and checking the work and water quality afterwards with the ADEY ProCheck. Nailed it 💪
Thanks guys…..🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Hey vid this one. I'd be scratching my head tbh. On the existing manifold I noticed they had thermostatic mixing valve I'm guessing to lower the temp to the underfloor circuits.
Does the snug system not need that 🤔 As I was thinking that the UH would be running at whatever the boiler stat was set at & they're designed to work on a much lower system temp.
What concerned me was the powerflushing with those actuators all hidden away somewhere & whether they'd be sensitive to higher pressures being run-through them.
You mentioned about possibly fitting an auto bypass especially as you said pretty much everything has trv's on, & having 2 2ports as well , where would the circulation be if they both shut down & then nowhere for the heat to be dissipated away from the boiler, ( wait I can see why it took you 3 hours to suss everything out !!) 😂
Does make you wonder when it was Installed if the fitters really knew what they were doing or just slung a manifold onto the existing system & hoped for the best. Sometimes Mark simplicity is better don't you think rather than it being so complex. Whatever happened to gravity hot water & pumped heating 😂😂.
One last thing seeing as they used alot of polyplumb especially upstairs to that rad , would that be the reason why your thermal camera didn't pick it up due to low surface temp on the plastic ( just a thought)
Keep up the good work 👏
Snug system has a balancing valve on it so you can throttle down the temp, just like the one I took out👍🏼
And it works as a bypass… I left just the 1 zone valve on in the end and the 3 towel rails have no thermostatic control so will circulate.
Good point about the heat through plastic…. The thermal imaging did pick up the runs under the floors.
As for the flush….. the acuators are basically TRV bodies looking at the one I could find.
Hours and hours spent getting my head round this one🤦🏻♂️
Another brill video Mark and of course a great narrative explaining whats happening. Like you say you can understand the concept but surely they could have centralised all the valves identify were each one supplies and make them easily accessible. Just a thought.
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it…..
Nice explanation of the job mark 👍👍.
I have come across some strange wiring and controls in my time .some of them do need a bit more investigation and belling out the wiring . But never been beat yet 😂.Let's hope it all runs ok now 👍👍👍
Yer it was a head scratcher that’s for sure
Hi Mark, what a complicated system, I’m sure just normal trv’s would be enough, I don’t like to over complicate anything.
I hope all is working better now for the customer and we know the system has benefited from a good flush.
Another great film as always mate, have a great week and take care, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍
Indeed Chris….. massively over complicated for no real reason
I think having actuators controlling the rads via a wall mounted thermostat is brilliant as you are measuring the temperature where your body height is and not at floor level.... I have done this, removing the trv on the rads though, and replacing with an ufh actuator. It works very well and means it is measuring the room temperature at the other side of the room. I think companies now are doing this with trv's with remote sensors via WiFi. I am a joiner though but get tips off your videos 😊
"Drayton Wiser" have a multi zone system that uses Smart Wifi, "Mesh" to give serious control to their new high tech TRV heads...
What a absolute nightmare.👍👍👍😎😎😎
Yep…… total nightmare 🤦🏻♂️
Rough Day Mate,
How lads can install something so complicated is beyond belief
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Yep I agree…. So over complicated
it makes me wonder if the initial plan for heating was underfloor heating upstairs and downstairs but at the last minute they changed to rads upstairs but by the time they had made that choice they already had the electricity run for the actuators and the control panels so they decided bugger it lets attach the panels to the rads
You know what I even though that at one point……
Great video again Mark. Can you only use the magna cleanse on systems that have the magna clean filter? Thanks again for making these very informative videos.
No it can be connected via valves, pumps and even via radiator connectors if that’s the only way…..👍🏼👍🏼
Hi Mark top vids mate you sounded pretty stressed bud get your thermal imaging camera out to trace those cercs upstairs there's gotta be another manifold upstairs somewhere I've had systems like this before 👍😎remember chin up bud 😎👍😎👍😎👍
It’s on actuators as shown behind that one rad…… pipework is all under the floor with inline valves…. Somewhere 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Can you do a video on water softeners how to install them in hard water areas 😊
Will do buddy, infact I may have one coming very soon
Hi Mark, please note that 12v is Extra low voltage, not low voltage.
That’s why I stick to plumbing😉
I think it looks like they left it so that underfloor heating could be easily installed upstairs when money available. It looks like they were halfway through the job but decided to instead sell the house so set the upstairs up with the rads, but easy to swap out and finish as underfloor in the future?
A shame there wasn't a fix in this vid for the towel rad and hall rad coming on of their own accord with the current setup.
I wish it was that….. but nope it’s a very badly installed system
Mind blowing 😅
Properly
What a nightmare. I have followed you from day one, 30k you will hit soon 👍
Thanks Keith… appreciate the support…
Was a bloody nightmare for sure
Drayton Wiser would achieve a fully zoned system without all the phaff of separate zone valves that are inaccessible 😢
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I’ve seen those actuators used as two ports before they seem to work okay but they wouldn’t be my first choice.
Yep not a great idea when you can’t get to them…. If they were exposed somewhere it would make more sense
I would be looking for another manifold with actuators controlling the rads. European style install.
Keep watching and all will be revealed
I'm in central Europe and I've never seen manifolds with actuators for radiators, at least not in any kind of domestic installation.
Plumber wiring is always pretty scary, strange how lots of guys are happy to do work they’re not competent to do but would do mad at a sparky touching gas
That’s why I don’t touch the wiring and get my fully qualified electrician in👍🏼👍🏼
Rip it all out and start again 👍
If the budget was there I would of mate
@@MJTiffPlumbing polishing turds again then 🙈🙈
How did u price that job? Looks a nightmare
Fairly straight forward to be honest, comes with time 👍🏼👍🏼
Odd system two sets of controls fighting each other. Up to customer but wants redoing to make it sensible lol, wonder what the original plan was when it was originally put in.
Who knows mate…. It was a very strange one
"And here we are on day 2.
The electrician wants to stab me in the head with a Philips screwdriver".
"We later found out it was Stevie Wonder Ltd that originally installed the plumbing".😂😂😂
Hahahaa
That wire hanging out was probably the dead stat on the landing
Quite possibly…… I should of showed the state of inside that control box!!!!….. unreal
@@MJTiffPlumbing mate, I could see the state of the wiring outside the box, I can already imagine the inside. Dying to tidy it up watching that 😂😂
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Why was the manifold changed? Seems a waste.
Was old and knackered, pump was old and weak, they wanted it all replaced so it was working better
so I don't know what was agreed with the customer in terms of what to do but I feel your work has not really improved the system it's just added to the confusion. I agree it's over complicated with individual stats etc but they should all be calling on the same circuit so it's just a wiring issue really (in and ideal world). I agree it could be wired all wrong which is a nightmare but if you charge for that time it should be done. Don't take this is a dig because it's not. I'm not writing this to say your crap or whatever. I know these jobs can be proper rubbish.
@@Danme1987 sometimes a job needs a bit of investigation to get a clear picture and come up with solutions for the customer going forward, customer may have just wanted to get the system up and running without further works, but yeah it’s needs the radiator actuators disconnecting and a room stat wired into a 2 port to run the whole upstairs
@@Kingkongkirk1234 yeah agreed. If that's not been agreed and the customer just wants it sorting on the cheap then that's the end of the story and in no way a bad reflection of the work done in the vid.
Surprised your head isn’t spinning off your shoulders. What a job. Think you could do with another holiday to let your head stop spinning.
Tell me about it….. I’ve got to be due a straight forward job soon ain’t i🤣🤣
Confusing system makes you wonder who fitted it at least the system is clean now
Oh mate, proper baffled me for a few hours until I had worked out just what was going on…. Or what wasn’t
Sometimes you just have to rip it out and make it easier for your client.
If the budget was there it would all come out and start again, sadly it isn’t so it was a case of working out what the hell was going on
Still a great insight into real jobs and problems and how you get around them.
Thanks pal
Totally odd system why put them actuator valves on when it already has TRVs ,over complicates and more things to go wrong .....my tip would be a good prior inspection and if its gonna cause issues....I'd of walked and not committed to taking the job ....but well done Mark for sticking with it ....next time get a good pair of running shoes 😂
Crazy isn’t it…….
However how many heating systems do you check for remote actuators for the upstairs rads when looking…. I’ve never seen this in 27years of plumbing….
Andrew Milward Watford- "i can make more complicated".
Someone must of thought that on this job
Hi Mark, don’t you just hate systems that don’t make sense. If people did things the conventional way, it would make the next man’s job so much easier. No more head scratching. When you use the pro-check, does you have problems taking the 3 photos of the strip &card,, because I do, and annoys the hell out of me.
The key to the pro check pictures is lighting I think… sometimes it’s a pain like you say
A real spaghetti junction.
Very
Looks like the original installer was upselling and the customer ended up with a ridiculously over complicated system. Looked like a nightmare.
100% agree
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Evening buddy 👌🏼👌🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing Evening 🤘😎🤘👍👍
Not long till installer buddy😉
@@MJTiffPlumbing I’m going Buddy, should be a great laugh 🤘😂🤘
As always buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
One of the heatmiser stats is probably controlling the hot water
We went through them all and nothing, we was hoping that one would….. traced the cable for hot water to a random dead end 🤷🏼♂️
@@MJTiffPlumbing The one that's not doing anything might be connected to the floating cable in the garage.
Looks like the apprentice was left alone on the job for a week
🤣🤣……. Wouldn’t of surprised me
Who ever put that wiring needs his ass kicked bloody mess looked like a Christmas tree 😂
Shocking ain’t it
What a mess that wiring is, must of left his horse when he bolted 🤠. In one respect that zoning of heating is smart but not for maintaining it in the long term. Yeeee haaa
Crazy ain’t it
nightmare system
Yep 100%
Complete mess electrically and plumbing
Complete mess of your spelling & grammar aswell buddy🤣🤣
@@MJTiffPlumbing I’m blaming predictive text and 6 bottles of Stella
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I have Literally just watched One of Your Old videos and then soon as it Finished you go and upload a New Video I LOVE it🤩 KEEP IT UP WITH THE GREAT GREAT VIDS!!!
Hahaha…. Your welcome mate, glad you are enjoying them.
Plenty to catch up on😉👍🏼