The old school Grenzo list is a direct, card for card copy of Clay_Puppinton's list. It's kinda of shitty to copy it card for card and not give him credit. He also has written an excellent primer for it. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grenzo-ft-dj-doomsday-competitive-primer/
It also doesn't have to use doomsday to win. You can manually assemble Kiki+Conscripts or Redcap+Mimic+sac outlet to win. Doomsday is just the most efficient way to assemble one of the combos.
I was afraid that if I linked to his list people might ask him questions about future videos. Also, he isn't the only one playing doomsday Grenzo. Most people come to the same conclusion. I would like to say that I copied a friends list. That I am guessing have copied the list you are linking.
I have some plans on changing some cards in the old school list. So I kinda need a list that I can change. In other words, I can't link to his list. For example, I am going to change one of the goblins that give a +1/+1 counter for Judit that gives all creatures +1/+0. If I had linked to his list I would have to contact him and ask him to do it. Now I have been at work and haven't had time to do that yet. (Judit isn't the only card btw.). You might also notice I haven't written anything yet on the tapped out page. Because I haven't had time.
It was my first cEDH deck. Still, i upgraded it quickly to Kess Dramatic Scepter by adding blue since Grenzo isn't that competitive in the current meta.
So, my opinion of her as a commander is the wrong way to go. I think she will be amazing in the 99, but not as a commander. Sorry to say soo. She doesn't draw cards and give you blue and with only. Sure she is a combo piece in the command zone with some cards that will be one card combos. So she has things going for her. That is why some of my friends in my playgroup is going to build her. My plan is to wait and see what they come up with. I hope they will change my mind about her as a commander. I am currently skeptic but keeping my eyes open.
great take on grenzo, i want to point out though that for the doomsday kill you don't need him on 3 as a 2/2 he is good enough because you usually use goblin sledder or mogg raider in your pile to get him to 3 power
I'm really loving your videos - I appreciate the approach to teaching you work into all of them. I feel like I leave each one a better magic player. I'm wondering whether you will do requests for videos - I would love to see a competitive Kess - Dissident mage video. Keep it up!
One thing I realized doing this is that I like communicating with people. It is actually fun answering 100 comments. I guess that will change in the future if I reach 1000 per video. But I would welcome that.
If we mill doomsday we cry. The odds are kinda low tho. It has happend and the back up plan is to keep activating untill we find a different combo. Eventually we will have a boardstate that can take over the game completely hopefully. The best deck uh. I don't know the answer to that one actually. I don't think it is kess tho.
Hello from austria! I really am enjoying your videos. You are the reason I picked up more-or-less cEDH, and because of your videos I evaluate cards differently than I used to before. If memory serves me right, you had a video about red hatebears like Harsh Mentor and Rampaging Ferocidon. I can't seem to find it anywhere and need it for reference since I am trying to build a pet deck of mine (Kiki Blood Moon shenanigans). If my memory is wrong and this was not one of your videos please excuse me. Oh and please keep up your content, it's great!
Nevermind, already found it. So what do you think about Rampaging Ferocidon in cEDH? I have found that from my usual opponents, the Dinosaur only interacts with Twin Combo variants and Storm which seems a little bit narrow imo, but still good enough to be featured in my 99.
It's good vs Najeela. Kinda good vs animar. It's good vs Aether flux resiovar. Some hulk lines that involve looping a creature. However, those creature loops might be able to kill the dino before they die. But after that (and what you already mentioned) it's kinda useless.
No. It hurts a little. But she will only take something like 7-13 damage depending on the build. If sisay is looping a creature (like saffi) then it could kill her. But Sisay is going to kill the dino during the combo run before she dies. This is also why harsh mentor isn't guaranteed counter to the scepter. They will take some damage. But when they have some mana that might be able to kill the mentor. Depending on their build of course.
Hi, awesome job! I just ordered some cards to build this deck and I'm playing your yuriko list atm. One question, do you watch or follow other channels that talk about cedh like yours?
I follow all other channels on cEDH. Those that I know of. LABMAN - team turn 3 - Maynard - playing with power - fish trigger TV - birthing pod - into the north - the 99 - spike feeders. After this, I don't know anymore. I might have misspelled one or two. But my favorite EDH channel is MTGmuddastha. (I can't spell his channel NAME!). He isn't making cEDH but I like the way he is producing content.
would it be good if we go for a infinite mana grenzo worldgorger deck ? we could put all creatures in our deck or would that be slower than doomsday , just to see what could be more consistent aswell by using the hate bears you thought of, great video
Quick question, I always wanted to get into cedh, but feel as though I’m at a disadvantage against other players since I can’t afford the reserve list cards. For example, Is it worth it to continue investing into a jace high tide deck even though I can’t afford timetwister and candelabra? Also, could you do a budget cedh series? I love focused decks that feel competitive, but the only videos for cedh are budgetless ones.
Wha Sabi his £100 yisan deck is amazing and his sonic extra turns deck I reduced to like £120 but still has the three base combos of beacon of tomorrow’s and no library, nexus of fate and no library and helm of the host + timestream navigator. To be honest you can take any of his decks and budget it down and it still be cedh it just won’t be optimised cedh.
Hello mate I’m having a few problems with the groggy vs the yisan deck. I added ground seal but is a bit luck of the draw. Do you think the new Scrabbling Claws might be a good include as graveyard hate?
Scrabbling claw is a reprint. The old card hasn't seen much play. But I think the card is forgotten. If you lack grave hate the card is good. A card that can trips is generaly playable. I would go for it. Whenevr none of your opponents have any grave shinnanigans. youst sac it and draw a card.
Nah, I don't know everything. But here is the original. www.google.com/search?q=scrabbling+claws+mtg&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjov9zEtJXgAhXhp4sKHUU7CHIQ_AUIDigB&biw=1920&bih=920#imgrc=enBhytKQ4YIpqM:
I think soo. Most hatebears are bulk rare cheep. I think kiki jiki is the expensive thing. And some of the rocks. Featchlands is probably expensive. But I think the deck would work and be good on a budget honestly.
No. Only two colors. High mana cost. Don't draw any cards. Don't have a wincon combo. Sorry. If any cEDH play inside captain sisay. But she has better options then that angel.
cEDH TV So I enjoy playing casual and cEDH. For ex my playgroup is casual bc they are all new to magic except me. So they hate my decks bc I have more experience lol. I don’t want to make to overpowered decks bc then they will complain and not have a good time. On the other hand when I go to the card shop I’d like a competitive deck or two. At the moment I have Atraxa Superfriends, Lord Windgrace, Estrid, Ezuri Claw if Progress and Edgar Markov. I would lean towards saying the more colors the more competitive? Sorta, at least.
You are correct that the more colors you have the better your deck becomes. What I do is play competitive meta decks. Blood pod is a good example. It is great vs competitive combo decks because of the stax cards. But casual decks often don't care about blood moon and aven mindcensor. It has worked out fine for me. Currently, blood pod is bad vs the casual players I sometimes play against.
hey I have a question for you. I have seen your videos about yisan, the wanderer bard, but they are a bit old. So, is yisan still a good competitive deck?
Good question. I think one reason why Yisan is a bit forgotten is that he is mono-colored. And it just more fun playing three or four colors. I still think he has potential. But he could have dropped in power level.
This Deck is really cool actually. It also seems to be very easy to transform in a weaker Deck for Casual. Take out a few things like the Doomsday package, add Blasphemous Act. Torment of Hailfire, maybe Mogis and play a cool Creature based Group Slug Deck.
I play there when I have time over and find people to play with. But I am having a hard time finding games there. But there are starting to be more Europeans there and it is growing.
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The old school Grenzo list is a direct, card for card copy of Clay_Puppinton's list. It's kinda of shitty to copy it card for card and not give him credit. He also has written an excellent primer for it. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grenzo-ft-dj-doomsday-competitive-primer/
It also doesn't have to use doomsday to win. You can manually assemble Kiki+Conscripts or Redcap+Mimic+sac outlet to win. Doomsday is just the most efficient way to assemble one of the combos.
I was afraid that if I linked to his list people might ask him questions about future videos. Also, he isn't the only one playing doomsday Grenzo. Most people come to the same conclusion. I would like to say that I copied a friends list. That I am guessing have copied the list you are linking.
@@cedhtv Yes more than just him play Grenzo but that list is literally card for card the same.
I have some plans on changing some cards in the old school list. So I kinda need a list that I can change. In other words, I can't link to his list. For example, I am going to change one of the goblins that give a +1/+1 counter for Judit that gives all creatures +1/+0. If I had linked to his list I would have to contact him and ask him to do it.
Now I have been at work and haven't had time to do that yet. (Judit isn't the only card btw.). You might also notice I haven't written anything yet on the tapped out page. Because I haven't had time.
I just pulled my Grenzo timeshifted card and I am now building it! Thanks for this deck tech man
Your welcome. Fun fact. Your name. Syntax Error is the name of a party club close to where I live.
@@cedhtv ohhhh that's pretty cool, btw i build my own version of this deck and i need an advice
Thank you for this. I have been toying with Doomsday packages lately and found this video very helpful!
Glad you liked it.
Not a cEDH fan per se but the grindy version described, is very much in my wheelhouse
I want to give you a thank you for making these videos and the deck lists on tappedout.
Sweet list Mons. Grenzo is such a cool card to build around. Each set always gives him some new toys. :)
YES! wizard is actually making some good hatebears for red. I think he could get stronger.
@@cedhtv As a fan of Boros strategies, I will gladly take any and all red hate bears haha.
Honestly this deck is a pretty easy deck to make and understand for beginners. Could be even be built on a budget I feel!
You are correct. It is quite simple. But simple isn't bad. Nor is it weak.
It was my first cEDH deck. Still, i upgraded it quickly to Kess Dramatic Scepter by adding blue since Grenzo isn't that competitive in the current meta.
No, he isn't and I believe you did a good upgrade.
I would like to watch a Lavinia, Azorius Renegade decktech
So, my opinion of her as a commander is the wrong way to go. I think she will be amazing in the 99, but not as a commander. Sorry to say soo. She doesn't draw cards and give you blue and with only. Sure she is a combo piece in the command zone with some cards that will be one card combos. So she has things going for her. That is why some of my friends in my playgroup is going to build her.
My plan is to wait and see what they come up with. I hope they will change my mind about her as a commander. I am currently skeptic but keeping my eyes open.
@@cedhtv any updates on this thought?
great take on grenzo, i want to point out though that for the doomsday kill you don't need him on 3 as a 2/2 he is good enough because you usually use goblin sledder or mogg raider in your pile to get him to 3 power
I forgot to meantion Judit. The new rakdos legendary. That gives all creatures +1/+0. She will work too. Also being a decent card.
I'm really loving your videos - I appreciate the approach to teaching you work into all of them. I feel like I leave each one a better magic player. I'm wondering whether you will do requests for videos - I would love to see a competitive Kess - Dissident mage video. Keep it up!
I do request. Jet I made that video. Consultatio Kess. You can find it on my channel.
Been looking for a decent Rakdos deck for a while. Most seem underwhelming but this was great. Thanks! 8)
Glad to see you getting more views.
Amazing deck tech!! Thank you for the quality content
Great content, keep it up! I also loved to see that you read my comment from last video as constructive criticism (it was!) and acted on it :D
One thing I realized doing this is that I like communicating with people. It is actually fun answering 100 comments. I guess that will change in the future if I reach 1000 per video. But I would welcome that.
What if you mill doomsday? What dou you have to recover it?
Can you do a vid whit the strongest decks now ? Is it kess consultation the best one?
If we mill doomsday we cry. The odds are kinda low tho. It has happend and the back up plan is to keep activating untill we find a different combo. Eventually we will have a boardstate that can take over the game completely hopefully.
The best deck uh. I don't know the answer to that one actually. I don't think it is kess tho.
I would try to do grenzo with m21 cards, just im not budgetless, so hope for the best
Hello from austria! I really am enjoying your videos. You are the reason I picked up more-or-less cEDH, and because of your videos I evaluate cards differently than I used to before. If memory serves me right, you had a video about red hatebears like Harsh Mentor and Rampaging Ferocidon. I can't seem to find it anywhere and need it for reference since I am trying to build a pet deck of mine (Kiki Blood Moon shenanigans). If my memory is wrong and this was not one of your videos please excuse me.
Oh and please keep up your content, it's great!
Nevermind, already found it. So what do you think about Rampaging Ferocidon in cEDH? I have found that from my usual opponents, the Dinosaur only interacts with Twin Combo variants and Storm which seems a little bit narrow imo, but still good enough to be featured in my 99.
It's good vs Najeela. Kinda good vs animar. It's good vs Aether flux resiovar. Some hulk lines that involve looping a creature. However, those creature loops might be able to kill the dino before they die. But after that (and what you already mentioned) it's kinda useless.
cEDH TV would you consider it good vs. Paradox Sisay? I have never played against the deck but the more I think about it, the worse the card gets.
No. It hurts a little. But she will only take something like 7-13 damage depending on the build. If sisay is looping a creature (like saffi) then it could kill her. But Sisay is going to kill the dino during the combo run before she dies. This is also why harsh mentor isn't guaranteed counter to the scepter. They will take some damage. But when they have some mana that might be able to kill the mentor. Depending on their build of course.
Hi, awesome job! I just ordered some cards to build this deck and I'm playing your yuriko list atm. One question, do you watch or follow other channels that talk about cedh like yours?
I follow all other channels on cEDH. Those that I know of. LABMAN - team turn 3 - Maynard - playing with power - fish trigger TV - birthing pod - into the north - the 99 - spike feeders. After this, I don't know anymore. I might have misspelled one or two.
But my favorite EDH channel is MTGmuddastha. (I can't spell his channel NAME!). He isn't making cEDH but I like the way he is producing content.
How do I get rid of old commander decks
You upgrade them!
cEDH TV yeah but like the cards you cut
would it be good if we go for a infinite mana grenzo worldgorger deck ? we could put all creatures in our deck
or would that be slower than doomsday , just to see what could be more consistent aswell by using the hate bears you thought of, great video
cut ribbons can be a secondary wincon from the graveyard btw
Tymna + Sidar Kondo ?
That is a cool deck. I have been thinking about making a video about them.
Great video as always, how about a Ruric Tar Deck tech? :)
Quick question, I always wanted to get into cedh, but feel as though I’m at a disadvantage against other players since I can’t afford the reserve list cards. For example, Is it worth it to continue investing into a jace high tide deck even though I can’t afford timetwister and candelabra? Also, could you do a budget cedh series? I love focused decks that feel competitive, but the only videos for cedh are budgetless ones.
Wha Sabi his £100 yisan deck is amazing and his sonic extra turns deck I reduced to like £120 but still has the three base combos of beacon of tomorrow’s and no library, nexus of fate and no library and helm of the host + timestream navigator. To be honest you can take any of his decks and budget it down and it still be cedh it just won’t be optimised cedh.
yoitsgunattack thx for the pointers, will take a look
Candelabra and high tide arent a must have for jace high tide.You can substitute those.
Lol,timetwister xDd;you absolutely need high tide
Hello mate I’m having a few problems with the groggy vs the yisan deck. I added ground seal but is a bit luck of the draw. Do you think the new Scrabbling Claws might be a good include as graveyard hate?
Scrabbling claw is a reprint. The old card hasn't seen much play. But I think the card is forgotten. If you lack grave hate the card is good. A card that can trips is generaly playable. I would go for it. Whenevr none of your opponents have any grave shinnanigans. youst sac it and draw a card.
cEDH TV wow I didn’t know it was a reprint I did the draft and opened it and went this is cool! XD you know like everything lol
Nah, I don't know everything. But here is the original.
www.google.com/search?q=scrabbling+claws+mtg&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjov9zEtJXgAhXhp4sKHUU7CHIQ_AUIDigB&biw=1920&bih=920#imgrc=enBhytKQ4YIpqM:
Interesting that you are not using Death Wish and Burning Wish to fetch Doomsday. Why is that? Any specific reason?
I am not allowed to if I play doomsday inside my deck. Playgroup rules. And the other playgroup don't allow wishboards even.
@@cedhtv Is it because they can't extirpate whatever you will fetch with them? Or there is other reason?
what are your opinions of also playing burnout in this Deck? Holding open 2 mana is something you want to do anyways with Grenzo if I am not mistaken.
Hmmm, that was a good card. I didn't know it existed until now, thank you. I think I might include it.
This deck is soo cool
Can it be built under $200? In your opinion
So close to 4K boiz
I think soo. Most hatebears are bulk rare cheep. I think kiki jiki is the expensive thing. And some of the rocks. Featchlands is probably expensive. But I think the deck would work and be good on a budget honestly.
cEDH TV thx
Just curious, what is your opinion of Sigarda, Host of Herons as a commander?
No. Only two colors. High mana cost. Don't draw any cards. Don't have a wincon combo. Sorry. If any cEDH play inside captain sisay. But she has better options then that angel.
cEDH TV So I enjoy playing casual and cEDH. For ex my playgroup is casual bc they are all new to magic except me. So they hate my decks bc I have more experience lol. I don’t want to make to overpowered decks bc then they will complain and not have a good time. On the other hand when I go to the card shop I’d like a competitive deck or two. At the moment I have Atraxa Superfriends, Lord Windgrace, Estrid, Ezuri Claw if Progress and Edgar Markov. I would lean towards saying the more colors the more competitive? Sorta, at least.
You are correct that the more colors you have the better your deck becomes. What I do is play competitive meta decks. Blood pod is a good example. It is great vs competitive combo decks because of the stax cards. But casual decks often don't care about blood moon and aven mindcensor. It has worked out fine for me. Currently, blood pod is bad vs the casual players I sometimes play against.
hey I have a question for you. I have seen your videos about yisan, the wanderer bard, but they are a bit old. So, is yisan still a good competitive deck?
Good question. I think one reason why Yisan is a bit forgotten is that he is mono-colored. And it just more fun playing three or four colors. I still think he has potential. But he could have dropped in power level.
Mons, what sleeves do you use to triple sleeve?
ultrapro.
This Deck is really cool actually. It also seems to be very easy to transform in a weaker Deck for Casual. Take out a few things like the Doomsday package, add Blasphemous Act. Torment of Hailfire, maybe Mogis and play a cool Creature based Group Slug Deck.
First, love the deck techs you're making about lesser played commanders!
Bra, you should join us sometime on the cedh discord for some games
I play there when I have time over and find people to play with. But I am having a hard time finding games there. But there are starting to be more Europeans there and it is growing.
But how about a mono colored commander? I want my spinosaurus etali!!!
Don't think Etali is that good in cEDH. It is cool I will give you that. But I would never take it to a GP I am afraid.
@@cedhtv I think he was being sarcastic though, haha
Ravenous chupacabra!!!