A brilliant interview. I just want to clear one point up about Brian Gordon's Hunter being shot down. I have just interviewed Michele 'Siggy' Seegmuller who was Brian's wingman on that fateful day. He told me (which you will see in his pending interview) that Brian descended into very thick haze to locate and attack a very heavily armed Frelimo column. Siggy saw no fire from Brian's cannons and then he was gone in the haze. No call from Brian saying he had been hit. Nothing. I then tracked down a Selous Scout who saw the event from the ground and he said this "the crash was quite surreal. We heard no gunfire, there was no smoke and no engine noise and the Hunter just seemed to glide down and crashed ahead of us. We knew no one could have survived and we were ordered to stay away. It crashed about 500 meters in front of us. Very sad". The conclusion reached is that perhaps a small arms round hit Brian. This is the only conclusion the would cancel out A) ejection B) no anti-aircraft fire heard C) No comms with Siggy . The other alternative is engine failure that took Brian's eyes off the proximity of the ground rushing up to him. A search done after the war could not find any proof of his demise. The Canberra, piloted by my school friend Kevin Piencke, was shot down. (Tony Ballinger)
Dave, words cant express how grateful I am for your willingness to take the time and share your experiances. To hear a non-bias recollection from a foreigner from Rhodesia with such positive and growth inducing experiences abundant. You are a class act gentleman, let me know if you ever cross the border into Maine! John, the introductory to this interview was outstanding. Absolutely outstanding. Seeing the hawker hunters in live action screaming down on the enemies of Rhodesia gave me the chills. War is War, but there is something so unique about the Rhodesia Bush war. This wasnt for Gold, Oil, land, conquest, rule or for the love of god, race. At its core this seems to about Good Christian Men defensing thier homes when thier back is against the wall. On a side note, John you look very well! Dont know how you have masterwd de-aging but kudos!
Another great interview and brought back memories of Op Miracle, in which I participated, with Selous Scouts. I was the Recce Troop stay behind call sign (c/s 77) once the Rhodesian assault groups returned to Rhodesia. Exciting operations throughout my years of service there, and wonderful times. Dave speaks well and accurately about how superb the Rhodesian Army was. I am proud to this very day to have served there.
Most Rhodies came down to English Natal. The best and most successful people I know. May God bless them. SA is the last domino, and as such, our military history is forced to have one more grand chapter. Much glory to still be had.
Thanks John and Dave for the great interview. I was on CPL Lambs firing squad , he had a guard of honor, casket on the gun carriage and a full band , I was with two other fellow Kiwis, an Aussie and Barry Gribben from the USA who was mentioned in the video.
Hi Dave, I remember you! Looking smart in the old beret and badge! I was in Intake 163 in RhACR, with Dennis, Glenn, Andy, Coriss, Japie, Tom, and many others. I remember that contact at Mudzi, it was the first one that wasn't a lemon. Terrs thought they were over the border, but were a few kilometers short. Turns out map reading is really important! 😂All the best, great talk!
Sir.. Definitely one of the most informative and interesting podcasts I have watched for a while.. (Even from a Canadian.. 😂😂) Seriously, you discredit yourself unnecessarily as you played your part and served of which is most commendable. Respectable. And I being too young am most grateful.. Thank you Sir.. And to present yourself in Rhodesian Kit.. China, that is Ace... John, Hannes and Tony.. Thank you.. Cheers 🍻
@Toncor12 Good Evening Tony.. Cheers 🍻 Bugger.. I am not the religious kind.. But, am most grateful to you for the kind intent.. Again Thank you One and All for all the input and hard work you Buggers put in..! Still here, will not leave.. As Buggered as it has become..!! Fuck Me..!! You lot in the West have a new "Version Of Fucked Up Coming..!!" So very Sad..!! Cheers Tony 🍻
Great interview Dave and John with limited weaponry due to extreme sanctions we held back the evil forces defeating them in nearly every skirmish we had with them. Thanks Dave for your service. God bless.
A great interview! Thank you Dave and John. Very interesting and so well told and remembered by a serving Canadian- ie not local Rhodesian. A big thanks again to The FMOR team for these tales of war and reliving important history.
I have a few different recollections of miracle. With regards the shelling from the tanks I remember about seven or so shells being fired at the camp and I seem to recall the shells flying over us and landing a long way from Madison Square Garden (The store where the 25 pounders were located) could be mistaken but something as significant as a Soviet tank firing on us is not easily forgotten. The other thing is that at no time did I hear the tanks. Nor did I hear them firing at us. I could see the muzzle flash of them firing at us (looked like sheet lightning on the horizon) and definitely heard the shells flying over us when we were largerd up on the last night in the camp. that is my recollection of that event.
That brought back some memories of RHACR. John perhaps Dave can put you in touch with “Reb” who was quite a character in his own right. I’m sure that would be an interesting interview.
Good interview. Thanks. I am left with a question regarding "Captain" Winkler. In Sept 78 for 2 weeks after the first Viscount was shot down, 2 squadrons of Armoured Cars and 2 Companies of Infantry from 5 RR were involved in a joint op in the SE Hooters, Boli, Buffalo Bend areas in a search and destroy type mission. We knew at the time that an American was in charge of the AC squadrons, and his name at that time was Major Winkler. So my question: was he demoted one notch between Sept 78 and the times in 79 Dave spoke of, or was Dave's memory a touch confused with the passage of years? Again, brilliant interview, and story from those wonder years.
I was in the 3cdo 12 troop RLI stop group that remained to witness the whole thing I was a new Lance corporal with my own stick The25 pounders were outstanding from 5 km away pin point
@57:00 no night vision devices? Don't underestimate the power of 10x50 binoculars. And look off-centre so the optic nerve in your retina is not in the middle of where you are looking.
@@fightingmenofrhodesiaJohn ive been trying for years to find a copy of The Saints under $400 with no luck. Any leads on tips where a reproduction can be found at a working man's price?
Awesome interview. can anyone tell me the name of the documentary at the beginning of the video, (before the interview with Dave Hughes begins?) id love to watch that one as well.
A brilliant interview. I just want to clear one point up about Brian Gordon's Hunter being shot down. I have just interviewed Michele 'Siggy' Seegmuller who was Brian's wingman on that fateful day. He told me (which you will see in his pending interview) that Brian descended into very thick haze to locate and attack a very heavily armed Frelimo column. Siggy saw no fire from Brian's cannons and then he was gone in the haze. No call from Brian saying he had been hit. Nothing. I then tracked down a Selous Scout who saw the event from the ground and he said this "the crash was quite surreal. We heard no gunfire, there was no smoke and no engine noise and the Hunter just seemed to glide down and crashed ahead of us. We knew no one could have survived and we were ordered to stay away. It crashed about 500 meters in front of us. Very sad". The conclusion reached is that perhaps a small arms round hit Brian. This is the only conclusion the would cancel out A) ejection B) no anti-aircraft fire heard C) No comms with Siggy . The other alternative is engine failure that took Brian's eyes off the proximity of the ground rushing up to him. A search done after the war could not find any proof of his demise. The Canberra, piloted by my school friend Kevin Piencke, was shot down. (Tony Ballinger)
Dave, words cant express how grateful I am for your willingness to take the time and share your experiances. To hear a non-bias recollection from a foreigner from Rhodesia with such positive and growth inducing experiences abundant. You are a class act gentleman, let me know if you ever cross the border into Maine!
John, the introductory to this interview was outstanding. Absolutely outstanding. Seeing the hawker hunters in live action screaming down on the enemies of Rhodesia gave me the chills.
War is War, but there is something so unique about the Rhodesia Bush war. This wasnt for Gold, Oil, land, conquest, rule or for the love of god, race. At its core this seems to about Good Christian Men defensing thier homes when thier back is against the wall.
On a side note, John you look very well! Dont know how you have masterwd de-aging but kudos!
Thanks for the kind words, we're grateful to have Dave share his story!
Awesome interview. Thanks John and Dave.
Another great interview and brought back memories of Op Miracle, in which I participated, with Selous Scouts. I was the Recce Troop stay behind call sign (c/s 77) once the Rhodesian assault groups returned to Rhodesia. Exciting operations throughout my years of service there, and wonderful times. Dave speaks well and accurately about how superb the Rhodesian Army was. I am proud to this very day to have served there.
I think after your escapades in SAS & Scouts John, we were proud to have you fight for us
Most Rhodies came down to English Natal. The best and most successful people I know. May God bless them. SA is the last domino, and as such, our military history is forced to have one more grand chapter. Much glory to still be had.
Heard Dave in that other podcast. A great story of Armoured Car Regt., & training on T54/55 tanks
Imagine having a love for your country and pride to defend your way of life like these guys did.
Thanks John and Dave for the great interview. I was on CPL Lambs firing squad , he had a guard of honor, casket on the gun carriage and a full band , I was with two other fellow Kiwis, an Aussie and Barry Gribben from the USA who was mentioned in the video.
Hi Dave, I remember you! Looking smart in the old beret and badge! I was in Intake 163 in RhACR, with Dennis, Glenn, Andy, Coriss, Japie, Tom, and many others. I remember that contact at Mudzi, it was the first one that wasn't a lemon. Terrs thought they were over the border, but were a few kilometers short. Turns out map reading is really important! 😂All the best, great talk!
John the firefighter parachutists were known as smoke jumpers
Another great episode . Greetings from Greece.
Sir.. Definitely one of the most informative and interesting podcasts I have watched for a while.. (Even from a Canadian.. 😂😂)
Seriously, you discredit yourself unnecessarily as you played your part and served of which is most commendable. Respectable. And I being too young am most grateful..
Thank you Sir.. And to present yourself in Rhodesian Kit.. China, that is Ace...
John, Hannes and Tony..
Thank you..
Cheers 🍻
bless you boet (Tony B)
@Toncor12 Good Evening Tony..
Cheers 🍻 Bugger.. I am not the religious kind.. But, am most grateful to you for the kind intent..
Again Thank you One and All for all the input and hard work you Buggers put in..!
Still here, will not leave.. As Buggered as it has become..!!
Fuck Me..!! You lot in the West have a new "Version Of Fucked Up Coming..!!" So very Sad..!!
Cheers Tony 🍻
Great interview Dave and John with limited weaponry due to extreme sanctions we held back the evil forces defeating them in nearly every skirmish we had with them.
Thanks Dave for your service. God bless.
I'm grateful to Dave for sharing his story with us.
A great interview! Thank you Dave and John.
Very interesting and so well told and remembered by a serving Canadian- ie not local Rhodesian.
A big thanks again to The FMOR team for these tales of war and reliving important history.
Thanks for watching!
Great talk guys, really enjoyed it! Another honorary Rhodesian, thanks for your service Dave.
Excellent film intro
How interesting. Quite a story indeed. Thanks Dave.
Another excellent interview! Interesting to hear about Matt Lamb - wasnt familiar with his story. Many thanks to John and Dave.
Great story, thanks Dave Hughes.
Great talk, thanks Dave, John, Hannes and Tony. Yes, the introduction to this talk, was great, had never seen this footage until now.
Great John happy to see you got hold of Dave, to collect his testimony /story of Rhodesia
Fascinating stuff. I really enjoyed that chat. 🍻🍻🍻
Fascinating. Thanks guys.
Thanks Dave and John. Really enjoyed this story.
Thanks John and Dave great interview.
Brilliant. Thanks guys.
Those were the days when men were men
I have a few different recollections of miracle. With regards the shelling from the tanks I remember about seven or so shells being fired at the camp and I seem to recall the shells flying over us and landing a long way from Madison Square Garden (The store where the 25 pounders were located) could be mistaken but something as significant as a Soviet tank firing on us is not easily forgotten. The other thing is that at no time did I hear the tanks. Nor did I hear them firing at us. I could see the muzzle flash of them firing at us (looked like sheet lightning on the horizon) and definitely heard the shells flying over us when we were largerd up on the last night in the camp. that is my recollection of that event.
Hi Dave....good interview...good to see you...
Awesome episode thanks for sharing
Great interview. Very interesting talk
That brought back some memories of RHACR. John perhaps Dave can put you in touch with “Reb” who was quite a character in his own right. I’m sure that would be an interesting interview.
I will ask him, thanks!
Good interview. Thanks. I am left with a question regarding "Captain" Winkler. In Sept 78 for 2 weeks after the first Viscount was shot down, 2 squadrons of Armoured Cars and 2 Companies of Infantry from 5 RR were involved in a joint op in the SE Hooters, Boli, Buffalo Bend areas in a search and destroy type mission. We knew at the time that an American was in charge of the AC squadrons, and his name at that time was Major Winkler. So my question: was he demoted one notch between Sept 78 and the times in 79 Dave spoke of, or was Dave's memory a touch confused with the passage of years? Again, brilliant interview, and story from those wonder years.
My recollection of Darryl's rank may be off...😮
I was in the 3cdo 12 troop RLI stop group that remained to witness the whole thing
I was a new Lance corporal with my own stick
The25 pounders were outstanding from 5 km away pin point
incredible footage in intro
That institution Matt was admitted to is infamous for psychedelics and a certain US agency, John and Dave
As I stated, Dr. Elliot Barkers novel treatment program at the Oak Ridge Facility's F Ward did involve the use of psychedelic drugs.
@57:00 no night vision devices? Don't underestimate the power of 10x50 binoculars. And look off-centre so the optic nerve in your retina is not in the middle of where you are looking.
In 8RR we had 1x1 binos. IE normal eyesight 😂 I'm not sure what the magnification of the binos was that we had, but they were certainly not 10x50
anybody got the link for that YT video from Chris Cocks mentioned by Dave?
It's on the DVD that came with "The Saints" book. I'm not sure it's on RUclips.
where is the combat footage loaded by Chris Cocks on YT?
It's on the DVD that came with "The Saints" book. I'm not sure it's on RUclips.
@@fightingmenofrhodesiaJohn ive been trying for years to find a copy of The Saints under $400 with no luck. Any leads on tips where a reproduction can be found at a working man's price?
Dave did you come across Paul Turner?
Not sure...where was he from and what unit did he serve in?
Why would you fabricate an armoured car (years after WW2) with a 90mm way less effective than the German 88? Crazy?
There's a limit to the amount of recoil that such a small lightweight vehicle can cope with.
@ thanks for that. Yup I get it having worked with high velocity cannons myself. (30 mm calibre though)
I replied twice saying what the other replies have generally said & YT deleted both replies 😮
Awesome interview. can anyone tell me the name of the documentary at the beginning of the video, (before the interview with Dave Hughes begins?) id love to watch that one as well.